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Glenn Beck and Pat Gray discuss the latest in the Trump administration, including the hiring of Pete Hegseth as the new Secretary of the Department of Defense, and why they think it's a good thing. They also discuss the possibility of a new Senate majority leader, and how to deal with a potential Democratic majority leader.
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We talked about Elon and Vivek being put in charge of DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, and how great it is.
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It's like a freaky Friday on the program because Stu's not as optimistic.
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Clint Brown discusses the fight for the Senate and the majority leader today.
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What options President Trump has to avoid obstruction from the potential new majority leader.
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And Carol Roth helps shed some light on a potential Treasury Secretary pick.
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Can we find someone that hasn't happily worked with George Soros?
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You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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And I have some disappointing news for you, Pat.
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You've known Glenn a long time, gone through a lot of his times of struggle.
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And I regret to inform you, he's back on the sauce.
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I don't know how else to deal with this person other than to accuse him of drug use because he's so optimistic about what's coming.
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I mean, part of it probably is a relief, Pat, than waiting for someone to stand up and say,
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we're going to the moon and we're coming back within a decade.
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This could very well be the golden era of America if he can get this stuff done.
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I'm sick of the way that the media has reacted.
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And I was a little bit like that at first, too.
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But then when you dig a little bit deeper into Pete Hegseth.
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It's like, as if they know all the names of the generals that would normally get a gig like this.
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They have no idea who this major media personality is.
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And so I think that part of it is just ridiculous.
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He was National Guard, which isn't usually something I don't – did he see combat?
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He – you know, by his description, he's pulling people out of burning vehicles in Afghanistan.
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He's a – he is a – he is a – I think a well-balanced individual.
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He's not necessarily the best personally, you know.
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They're going to have some opposition research on Pete.
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So he's had some problems with women and everything else.
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But he also literally wrote the book on ending wokeism in the Pentagon.
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So he may be – I mean, how many people did Trump go through the last time?
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This guy may not be somebody that is going to take us through everything.
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He might be the guy that Donald Trump says, go in there, just rinse it all out.
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Get all of this wokeism, DEI stuff, because you literally wrote the book on it.
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You know, there are how many employees, you know, hundreds of them in like HHS that are
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I don't think there's going to – that type of stuff he's really going to be targeting.
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But this is the – now, you were saying – you've been incredibly positive here.
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I just don't want people to think – like when I'm really, really pessimistic, everybody's
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I could come up with a million ways this falls apart, but to thread this needle in this
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election, it's going to take God, and I think God acted.
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We see that God is not neutral in the affairs of man.
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We have to stay focused on him and doing the right thing for him, not get too big for our
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britches, not be sitting here going, ah, you know what, we're going to smash him, and
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you know, that feels good, because we are, but we're doing it for the right reasons, and
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Blessed be the peacemakers, it doesn't mean, you know what, let's all get together.
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He tried to assassinate Hitler, I mean, the real Hitler, not the latest Hitler that everybody's
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He lost his peace to be able to fight for God's peace, okay?
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But for the first time, perhaps in my lifetime, since Ronald Reagan, and Ronald Reagan was
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Reagan's time was different, different problems, everything else.
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But Reagan stood up, and he didn't care what anybody else said, and he said, that is evil,
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You're not going to take the rights away from people.
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You're going to return this to the hands of the people.
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What's happening with DEI is evil and destructive, and we're going to take it down.
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What's happening to our country is evil and destructive because you're saying America shouldn't exist
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No, that you can't do it without some big government.
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So in the midst of battle, look to the Lord, and then look to the leader who is saying, remember,
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when this burns up on launch, on the launch pad, and we lose eight people, we know, we knew, we should have known
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that that's going to happen when you're doing something this massive.
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Remember, when we burned up, what was it, Apollo 8 on the launch pad and all of those people died, there were people
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So I think it's a downside, but it's only if you don't know that that's coming.
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Do you think they can get a lot of this stuff done?
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But I always think when they have control of both houses of Congress and the presidency,
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they're going to get something done, and they never do.
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I mean, I'm counting on Donald Trump being a man of his word.
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When he said, I'm going to make Jerusalem the capital.
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I mean, he now knows more than he knew the first time, a lot more.
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He's releasing these videos every couple of days to say, this is this section, and this
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This is well-planned, and it's not Agenda 2025.
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It's his agenda, and it is taking everything apart that we've all dreamt of forever.
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If this is the way this guy is going to go, I'm all in.
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If he can succeed at this, it would be one of the...
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I mean, we look back at the Calvin Coolidge presidency and say, how did he do that?
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Well, so that's the type of heavy lift he's looking at.
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Because now you can't even cut the increase in spending.
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You still have to cut the programs because it will be unmanageable with 50% of the employees.
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And cutting out the Department of Education, which he has promised to do already?
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But that's going to be a bloodbath to get done.
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I want to put you on the spot here a little bit.
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If he doesn't get rid of the Department of Education, are you disappointed?
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I don't mean, like, disappointed, like, oh, gosh, I wish we had done that.
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But, like, is this a failure if he doesn't do that?
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Is it a failure if he doesn't cut the government by 50%?
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I mean, if we don't get any of this stuff done, I'm back to the depressed gland of we
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And he has the will, and he has, obviously, a mandate.
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We have always said, you can't eat around the edges.
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You've got to take the whole thing and throw it out, restore it back to the constitutional
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We're going to restore it by 2026, July 4th, 2026, the 250th anniversary.
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We're going to give America back to Americans on our 250th birthday.
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And that is something that he's pointing to the sky and saying, not in 10 years.
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We're going to return this constitution back to you in a year and a half.
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Because I would be absolutely over the moon thrilled if they cut the government 10%.
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No, but like, if they spend instead 5.6 trillion, I would be over the moon thrilled with that outcome.
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If he can pull that, just that off, I will be over the moon thrilled with it.
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I'm, I'm a bit skeptical that he's going to be able to do it.
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Not because he's not the president with a mandate.
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I mean, the, we're going to talk about this next hour.
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The, what happened with Biden and the fudging of the numbers, the economic numbers.
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And now we are going to start seeing them for what they really are.
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We are on a verge of a really bad 1980s recession.
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So he's being handed garbage because they lied about it.
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So I don't know what that's going to mean and what that's going to take to dig us out.
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But if he gets his way and he lowers, and I mean, dramatically lowers income tax, even
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if we had a flat tax of 18%, flat tax, everything, 18%.
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And just that would push us into a new stratosphere that would give us time to save the republic.
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Well, let's say hello to the one and only Carol Roth.
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And I don't want anybody to knock me down from the street.
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But I'm feeling like we finally have everything I have asked for in a leader.
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Somebody who is pointing to the horizon and giving us a huge goal like JFK did.
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We're going to go to the moon and come back within 10 years.
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I think with the with the Doge announcement yesterday, I think he's saying I'm going to
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I'm going to cut the size of government and I'm going to give the Constitution and the
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government back to the people by July 4, 2026, which is our 250th birthday.
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It is an uncomfortable place for you to be because I know that you're usually a contrarian.
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And you're a person who gets on the book boat and looks for the exits.
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For 15, 20 years, I have been just seeing the burning down.
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And I recognize that this is not going to be easy.
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But from now until, you know, things get ugly, I think we should enjoy this time and, you
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We have had such a weight on our shoulders, like you said, for a couple of decades.
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And it's really accelerated in the last five years.
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And the fact of the matter is that now we do have optimism, we have a mandate, we have
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And as you said, it's not an easy path to navigate.
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It's one that is full of, you know, pebbles and rocks and barriers.
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We do have to, you know, hope for the best and, you know, make that optimism self-fulfilling,
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do what we can to push forward this opportunity for the American dream to be seized by everybody.
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OK, I don't believe anybody's appointment until you see it on Truth Social.
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He I personally think he is he's checking the boat for leaks right now.
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You know, I think some of these names are just being said, oh, you know, the only person
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So he's checking his own boat for leaks, I think.
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But one of the names being touted and thrown around for the Treasury pick is somebody I
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Besant, Besant, Besant, Besant, Besant, Besant.
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So obviously the Treasury secretary pick, let's just put it on the table, is going to be better
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You, a sock puppet, a random name out of a phone book, whatever it is, is going to be
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The Trump administration tends to go for the jockeying of the the billionaires and the Wall
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Scott Besant is interesting because he is not necessarily famous, but he is famous for
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So I'm going to set it up and everybody's going to go.
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And then let me let me walk it back a little bit.
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So he was he started early in his career at the Soros Funds and he ended up being the CIO
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of the Soros Fund and the likely successor to George Soros, which I know right now everybody
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just fell over in their chairs and has a cold sweat running down.
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What I need to tell you about that is that it's almost like separating the art from the
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You know, there are all these bad people who, you know, you enjoy their art, but you don't
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like the people they're associated with or, you know, that kind of a thing.
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George Soros for I would I would say that he is a repugnant human being, but I'm not
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OK, but in financial circles, if you put that aside, he is an incredibly savvy, astute
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And the best of the best people on Wall Street have been associated with Soros at different
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points in time, including one of my favorite billionaires, because we all have always have
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to have our favorite billionaires on Wall Street, a gentleman by the name of Stanley
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Druckenmiller, who is probably the most common sense, rational, like fantastic guy that, you
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know, honestly, we would all love him to be in the administration.
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But he was the one he was basically Scott Besson was Stanley Druckenmiller's protege at Soros,
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You may have heard about this infamous bet against the British pound that netted them
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And from a political standpoint, he has pushed back against Soros.
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I think the the most famous time was in 2014 when Soros got pressure from his allies to
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And Scott Besson went into his office with a team of people and said, if you do this, we
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And so that to me says this is somebody who's willing to stand up for his principles and,
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you know, not let who somebody like George Soros, who, you know, again, you're his CIO,
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And so I think that should give people I'm not saying take it, you know, he's, you know,
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that you should throw away every reservation that you have.
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But he's somebody who's proven that he does not approve of Soros is and is very unlikely
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I mean, we've got to cut all of this DEI crap, all of this public private partnership
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bullcrap, all of that that has been laid deep into the Treasury Department.
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Is he a guy that will recognize that and come in and just cut it all out?
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Yeah, no, he is a no nonsense, nuts and bolts, doesn't want any of this, you know,
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stuff that is not financially related around it.
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I think my biggest concern, and this is going to sound very funny, is that the guy's too smart.
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This may be the smartest person that we have for Treasury Secretary, you know, potentially
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And the issue with that is that he may be unchecked, that his ideas are so sophisticated.
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This is somebody who understands currencies, who understands central banks, who's dealt
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I mean, he has so much domain experience in all of these different areas, which is very
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Usually you're kind of a specialist in one area that he may have an idea and nobody else
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is going to be there to go, well, you know, why are you going in this direction or whatnot?
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He said a couple of kind of crazy things that I just put on your radar.
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One is that my biggest red flag is that his favorite Treasury Secretary was Robert Rubin,
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who was the Treasury Secretary under President Clinton, who repealed the key provisions of
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glass deal that allowed commercial banks to go into investment banking, which we all know
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So he is going to be somebody who probably leans into bank deregulation.
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He has come up with the idea of having a shadow fed to basically reduce Jerome Powell's power,
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which, you know, as you may think, well, that sounds like a great idea until you realize
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if you can do that under Trump, you can do that under anyone else.
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And I think that's a very bad precedent and could create a lot of consternation in the market.
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And then the third one is that he has this 333 plan.
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It's not the 999 plan that, you know, we used to have from Herman Cain.
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It's the 333 plan that was he said was based on Shinzo Abe of Japan, rest in peace, his
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And it sounds different, but Shinzo Abe's plan is not one we would want here because it's
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very much, you know, Fed intervention, fiscal stimulus from the government, as well as regulatory
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Now, he's saying his 333 plan is going to be different.
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He wants to reduce the deficits to GDP to less than half of what they are, 3%.
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He wants to increase GDP growth 3% on an ongoing basis.
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And he wants to tamp down on inflation by producing three million barrels of oil a day.
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So as long as it, you know, that it was inspired, but it's not the same.
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So I think those are the kinds of things that you have to kind of get in the weeds on.
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But he's certainly somebody who understands the issues we face, which, by the way, are
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They have left us a huge mess, the Biden-Harris administration, in terms of our fiscal foundation.
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And by the way, refinancing $13 trillion of debt over the next four years, as well as any
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And so I would say, guys, don't focus on the Soros connection here.
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And is this person maybe a little bit too smart for the position?
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Hang on just a sec, because I read something from Ed Dowd today.
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And he said, we have been handed a book, a record book of fraudulent, you know, records
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So the president right now is meeting with the House.
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I don't think he's going to meet with the Senate today, but then he's going right over
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to the White House and he is going to meet with President Biden.
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That is going to be an interesting photo opportunity with both of them sitting by the fireplace.
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She has been the most maligned, mistreated first lady ever.
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It's not like Hillary Clinton where she inserted herself into everything and made herself a
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She just sat back and tried to be nice to people.
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And tried to restore the White House back to Jackie O's original plan.
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And it's like it's never been it's been it's understandable for you to dislike a political
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He is a guy who was the executive director for the Senate Steering Committee for the Senate
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He also has held positions at Pacific Legal Foundation as legal policy director, multiple
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Senate, including policy director for the Senate Steering Committee, assistant counsel for the
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Senate Budget Committee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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He is now the vice president of government relations at the Heritage Foundation and an adjunct
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professor at the University of Alabama School of Law.
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Can you help us break down what's going to happen today with the Senate?
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So what's going to happen today is they're voting this morning on who's going to be the
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They're going to vote for positions all the way down from Senate leader to conference leader.
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These are several positions that a lot of people don't know about.
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Everybody sees the face of the majority leader.
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This morning, they're giving nominating speeches.
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Senators Tillis, Senator Tillis is giving the nominating speech for Senator Cornyn.
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But interestingly, Senators Rubio and Hagerty are giving the speech for Rick Scott.
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Now, a couple of years ago when Rick Scott ran, it was Mike Lee giving that speech, Ron
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Johnson, conservative right wing, you know, troublemakers.
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Now, it's our potentially next secretary of state.
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Because he's in second place, according to the latest numbers, and we don't know if they're
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true or not, but he is in second place behind Thune.
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We don't know the numbers, but what it tells me is the conference, the Republican conference
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And even the hill rags who don't really know what's going on in America like your listeners
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This morning, Punchbowl said, regardless of who wins, the Senate could look and act differently
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next year, due in large part to Scott and Senator Mike Lee, banging the drum for years about
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So conservatives are winning this battle, no matter who becomes the leader.
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Isn't he just going to be almost the same kind of guy that, what's his name was?
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Yeah, that guy, that guy who's always in our way.
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So Thune, I would think, would be a little bit more McConnell aligned.
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Republicans have started to say, hey, wait a minute.
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Why did he put bills up, negotiated in the back room, on the floor with five minutes to
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The conference, the Republican senators who choose the leader, they are mad about that.
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So Thune is going to have to change the way business is done, even if he wins, to accommodate
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Or frankly, he may not last as long as McConnell did.
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I mean, McConnell, I think, is an eternal figure at this point.
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I don't remember a time really when McConnell wasn't in charge of things.
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That the majority still is kind of on the fence and they just kind of want business as usual,
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Yeah, there's so many factors that go into this.
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For a lot of them, it comes down to fundraising.
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For most of them, it comes down to how the senators run.
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What are you going to do to make my life better?
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And for a select few, it comes down to certain issues.
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So a vote for Thune could be about fundraising.
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It could be about personal relationship, or it could be about his position on a select
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few issues that, you know, maybe more swampy Republicans want to get a deal on some earmark
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What do you say to the call for this should be in open air?
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I would like to know where senators stand on this, and I think most of your listeners
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Because imagine, you know, at your workplace, you get to vote on who gets the promotion.
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You have to select from three of your friends, and then you have to work with that person.
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You didn't vote for the guy that got the promotion.
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Sorry, you're not getting that vacation time you wanted.
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There's certainly an element of retribution, and it protects senators to actually be able to
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vote their conscience for someone like Rick Scott if they don't face retribution for it.
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Now, they could still, because they've come out publicly for him, and that's a brave stand.
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What do you—why do you think Donald Trump hasn't weighed in on this at all?
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I mean, it would be Scott if he just said, this is who I want.
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I certainly think he could move the conference if he did, but he has the same dynamic these
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So what he did is he said, I want the winner, whoever it is, to commit to moving my nominations
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And if you don't, I want you to do recess appointments.
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He made it about how the place is run and fulfilling his agenda rather than about personalities.
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When you look at this, if Trump—he's got to have the Senate move and move quickly.
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If you have a Thune and he begins to become an obstructionist, does the president have the
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ability to say, J.D. Vance, go in there and take control of the Senate and do what John
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There is a little known procedure in the Senate that gives the majority leader the right to
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The person sitting in the chair at the front of the room.
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Anybody else sitting in that chair is borrowing his seat.
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He can walk in the room, kick them out, take the seat, and recognize whoever he wants who
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is going to move his—President Trump's nominees.
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So he can actually decide, really, who's running the show.
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There was talk in the last Trump administration of doing this.
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I ultimately don't know why they decided not to.
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There's always a negotiation about these kind of things.
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Having the threat of doing that is certainly powerful.
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And maybe Pence just wasn't comfortable with it.
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J.D. would probably be a lot more comfortable with that.
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Since you're an attorney, and this is unfair to spring on you here, but I don't know if
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you've seen the Doge announcement that came out yesterday from Donald Trump about cutting
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This is just a thought experiment at this point.
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But if we wanted to fire half of the administration, we can do it just by holding a lottery, and
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We pull one from a bowl, and if it says odd, then everybody whose Social Security number
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That way, we don't have any litigation or anything else.
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You know, I don't know the legal ins and outs of that idea, but certainly the federal government
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And that would probably need some funding decisions from Congress.
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But at the end of the day, the president can take that money and, you know, it's assigned
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by Congress to certain things, but he can decide how to execute on that.
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And if he doesn't have the right people in there, if government's too big, which we think
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it is, we know it is, then he should have the ability to do mass layoffs like any company
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And if the executive is not in charge of the executive branch of all of the cabinet and
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all of the agencies, then he works for the people that haven't been elected, not the
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It's putting the administrative state in charge of the government, which is the entire problem
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that we have right now with the executive branch.
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So the president needs the ability to decide who is executing on his agenda and whether
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I think they're going in to vote right now, Clint, or it was at last hour.
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They're voting right now for the Senate, I believe, or at least the process begins right