Dan Bongino and Andy Ngo join me on the podcast to talk about the latest in the war on Antifa and the new book, Unmouthed: How Antifa Became a Threat to the U.S. Constitution.
00:02:22.720When thousands of rioters lay siege to my city, when they tried to burn down federal property,
00:02:30.940federal courthouse, thousands of them came with explosives.
00:02:33.740They came with starting fires, electric power tools to cut into the building.
00:02:39.000I mean, the response at times from those who are crowing the loudest now was at that silence.
00:02:45.460And in the worst cases, like in the case of Kamala Harris, actually tweeting out links for crowdfunding for bail funds for people accused of really heinous riot crying.
00:02:58.840I mean, can you imagine if I or you or Rush Limbaugh or anybody came out and said, hey, there's a fund here to help get these guys out of jail?
00:03:10.000You know, the worst of the worst, the ones that were in with, you know, they were going to arrest Mike Pence.
00:03:18.000Well, I mean, we we don't even have to, like, really speculate.
00:03:23.780You can see that the big tech mobilizes to work with a file to silence people.
00:03:29.000And that's why disgrace New York Times reporter Sarah John has been calling for me to be permanently banned from Twitter.
00:03:38.320They feel really empowered by Trump being silenced everywhere.
00:03:42.020And see for extremists feel empowered to attack Portland's largest bookstore for the past two days.
00:03:49.340They actually forced the bookstore to shut down in downtown because they're coming in and making all these demands that they're not doing enough to ban my book.
00:03:58.700It's not enough that the store has already acquiesced and said they're not going to stock it on shelves.
00:04:05.680The people don't want it on the online catalog either.
00:04:08.380Anyway, Andy, first of all, let's talk about your book, because I want to give you the time to sell as many copies as possible.
00:04:19.500So tell me about the book first, and then I want to talk to you about what do we do?
00:04:27.220Unmouthed is the the what I've been working on now to try to uncover what is this violence extremist movement?
00:04:38.380We use various names, most commonly Antifa, some of them are more deceptive being used and call themselves other things.
00:04:46.620But with all of them have the stated agenda and goal of destabilizing the republic and actually overthrowing it, if you look at their literature.
00:04:56.120And what was really shocking and fascinating and watching a real time, particularly living in Portland and also going up to Seattle, was how they were actually able at times to claim territory as sovereign territory separate from the United States.
00:05:13.040And that the local governments actually allowed them to do that and in many ways facilitated the means for that to happen.
00:05:20.440In the case of Seattle, that Chas, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone led to multiple homicides, shootings, Portland also had an autonomous zone that was set up.
00:05:29.740Over and over, we're seeing the same variables that have allowed for this movement to become a phenomenon, a growing one, ascendant one.
00:05:38.780These variables are remaining, even with the incoming administration.
00:05:42.300And just with, we're early into 2021, but we can see, actually, they seem quite empowered.
00:05:49.380We've had now four riots in Portland since New Year's Eve alone.
00:05:54.100We had a riot on the same day that the Capitol Hill riot happened, and that received no attention when these extremists were using many of the same tactics, trying to break into government property.
00:06:04.960And, I mean, it's, the book is revealing sort of this whole apparatus and how it works and how they're so effective.
00:06:14.000And it helps to dispel some of these myths, like thinking that there's one big person on top pulling the lever or that they are funded by rich billionaires.
00:06:26.400Actually, they're organizing and funding and sources of money laundering.
00:06:30.600And it's happening in plain sight with the aid of big tech, and they do it openly on platforms like Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, and they face really no bandings at all.
00:06:44.440We're talking to Andy, no, the book that you need to buy, do not buy a digital copy, buy a hardbound copy.
00:06:51.240It's called Unmasked Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy.
00:06:56.360It has to bother you that the word sedition and revolutionary or anti-government is being thrown around by people who, I do believe, committed sedition last Wednesday.
00:07:17.940They were trying to topple the organized government and take things into their own hands.
00:07:29.880I mean, it is in their own manifestos that, I mean, they took to the streets and declared sovereign property, as you just said, away from the United States.
00:07:40.540It must sincerely bother you that no one is willing to call them seditious on the left and in the media and in Washington.
00:07:51.380Well, not only are they not willing to call them seditious, they'll actually will praise them, lavish praise on them, actually.
00:07:57.560And even those, and they protect them, actually.
00:08:03.080And one of the reasons why Antifa and Portland have been working overdrive to try to get my book banned into threatened businesses that would sell it is because I've been very systematic in chronicling the arrests that have happened in Portland.
00:08:17.140Fortunately, it's still accessible as a public record, but the mugshots that have been releasing, the charges, the names, over 90% of them get charged.
00:08:26.320Excuse me, over 90% of them get the charges dropped.
00:08:30.140This is a corrupt system we have in Portland, and the local media doesn't release the names and photos of those accused of these crimes.
00:08:39.160Whereas, you know, you look at the disparate treatment of those who were on Capitol Hill.
00:08:48.020They're going after no-fly lists now, which, why can't, if you're going to do that, you have to do that for Antifa.
00:08:58.400Andy, the mayor of Portland came out, I think a week or two ago, and said,
00:09:05.860enough is enough, and we've got to get tough on Antifa.
00:09:09.500I don't even know if he's sincere in that or what, but what I really think that the people at Antifa, they think that they are in charge and running things.
00:09:20.640But I truly believe the Democrats are going to treat them eventually like Hitler did the SD or the SA.
00:09:33.480They were the thugs that got things to be pushed through the chaos on the streets.
00:09:39.200And when their job was no longer useful, he killed them all.
00:09:44.660So I think the Democrats are playing a dangerous game in that they don't really realize what people they're embracing indirectly as allies.
00:09:55.860I think in the case of, so let's look at Portland and Seattle, the Portland mayor, the Seattle mayor viewed, well, yes, Antifa is radical, but they're rioting in the name of racial justice and social justice.
00:10:13.620So, therefore, let's give them a bit of space to do that, and, well, they flexed their hand, and they actually claimed territory and caused people to actually die.
00:10:24.580In the case of Portland, the mayor is coming out of a little bit harsher now, but let's not forget that since he came into office at the beginning of 2017, it was under his watch that this movement exploded in Portland, that this movement turned Portland into the epicenter of American far-left violence.
00:10:42.420So, I guess, so I guess four years late is better later than ever, maybe, but, I mean, they, you know, they didn't think about anybody else because he's not ceding everything to them.
00:10:56.680And, actually, he was assaulted last week when he was dining in a restaurant, so they're going after him eventually.
00:11:02.160So, yeah, this is the game that the mainstream Democrats are playing with, and they have had a convenient excuse in sharing, having a shared enemy in the Trump administration, but those days are limited now.
00:11:20.080And I can promise that the violence that we saw in 40-20 will continue, and it takes a very, very small spot for us to see more interactions like we saw last year, because all the other underlying variables have still there.
00:11:35.860We're talking to Andy Ngo in his upcoming book called Unmasked. I urge you to get it.
00:11:44.660I've got about a minute and a half left for an answer to this question, Andy.
00:11:51.040But there are a lot of people that will listen to you or to me or others, and they're all like, I know the problem.
00:11:57.240I know how big it is, and they can see what's coming their way.
00:12:02.000And that's, I think, one of the reasons, and there are many reasons, but no excuses for violence.
00:12:09.000But people feel like they are being backed in a corner, and they have nothing else to do, which is incorrect.
00:12:26.540You know, this is a question I've been wrestling with myself in the course of writing this book and just sort of watching helplessly as my city was burnt and other American cities were burnt to the ground.
00:12:42.360And I'm not sure if I have an answer for that, sadly.
00:12:47.900I was and remain a very strong believer in American institutions.
00:12:53.820But when you're looking at how, let's say, at local levels, how corrupt things can be that allow violence to, political violence to so plainly operate,
00:13:05.640and people who law enforcement actually apprehend are getting their charges immediately dropped just as a matter of policy.
00:13:13.660And it's not just unique to Portland that you see that.
00:13:15.800You see that in Seattle, in San Francisco, and other.
00:13:18.940A lot of these places, this is where the prosecutors have been getting their support from George Soros.
00:13:30.260That's where he puts his money, where the people that are.
00:15:59.900I had Jake Tapper said that you're either a moron or an anti-Semite there that anyone who would believe what I said about the digital ghetto and talk about ghettoization is a moron or an anti-Semite.
00:16:17.040Well, I wanted to get the guy who actually coined the term.
00:17:01.880So, Edwin, I want to make sure because, I mean, I think you know me well enough to know how I feel about the Holocaust and Israel and Jews.
00:17:15.720I mean, I've won the Defender of Israel Award from Sheldon Adelson.
00:17:20.240It was presented to me by Sheldon and Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:17:26.960I mean, I'm serious about these issues.
00:17:37.880And I think that the criticism you've received is quite ill, ill, ill-advised.
00:17:45.560I think it's a measure of our times, not a measure of the accuracy of the claim.
00:17:52.260So here's why you use the word digital ghetto.
00:17:57.000It's because I coined the term digital ghetto and algorithm ghetto.
00:18:03.720And I did that in 2018 as the keynote speaker for Holocaust Day, of the official Governor Holocaust Day, speaking in the rotunda of the Michigan State Capitol in Lansing.
00:18:20.580And I summarized my remarks, including the algorithm and ghetto and the digital ghetto for an editorial, which ran in the Times of Israel and about 30 other papers and history network news.
00:18:35.380And I was concerned, and I remain even more concerned, that the activities of the oligarchs of digital control are, in fact, trying to shunt us into digital ghettos.
00:18:55.480Now, I should mention that a ghetto, even though my parents are Holocaust survivors and they used to think it was a Polish word, is actually an Italian word, a Jewish Italian word, which originates from the 16th century from one of the first named ghettos.
00:19:15.220And that was in Venice. And that was in Venice. And the word comes from, it is argued by many that the word may come from the Jewish or Hebrew word get, which is a divorce.
00:19:29.540But it also means being put aside from or separated from during the 19th century, the ghettos became much, much worse.
00:19:39.740And during the Holocaust, they became the first step along the way toward annihilation for the Jews.
00:19:50.220This, of course, this, of course, was facilitated by IBM in its 12 year alliance with the Nazis, which I wrote about in IBM and the Holocaust.
00:20:01.420Several years ago, after when I was writing my book, War Against the Week, about eugenics and genetics,
00:20:10.600the word was coined genetic ghetto and was used largely by Hadassah and many others who were seeking legislation that would not permit people to take testing of individuals of their genetic background for the purpose of denying them a denying them employment, credit, access to housing, etc.
00:20:39.220And I believe the genetic ghetto was one of the earliest modernizations of this terrible place, ghetto.
00:20:49.260And of course, my parents were in a ghetto.
00:20:52.060You use this term because that's exactly what I've observed and what many people have observed.
00:20:59.060I think that there was nothing historic about the criticism involving history in the criticism that you received.
00:21:10.320I think this is just another byproduct of anything that anyone says is being transmogrified and weaponized against them.
00:21:21.460I am very concerned about the breach of the concept that you do not use Hitler as a criticism, even though numerous leading Holocaust historians have called Trump a Hitler.
00:21:39.380I have to tell you, we can use Nazis, we can use concentration camps, we can use stormtroopers, we can use Trump, you know, or Hitler to describe the Trump administration, but you can't ever do it.
00:21:55.540It is so important to me, Edwin, that we, you know, the phrase never forget doesn't mean don't forget what they did.
00:22:09.060It means don't forget how we got to the showers.
00:22:13.080And it's the seeds, unless you pull those weeds up early and you recognize them, no matter which side.
00:22:22.520I mean, I would be saying this if the Republicans owned Facebook and Google and they were in bed with the government and they were silencing people.
00:22:32.900I would be saying exactly the same thing.
00:22:36.780These are the seeds, the weeds that start to spread up.
00:22:40.240And if you don't cut them off early, it's too late.
00:23:02.400Which is something I studied in 1938, which involved the murder and imprisonment and burning of many thousand Jewish lives and institutions.
00:23:15.620And also had the the the army and the police standing by doing nothing, doing nothing.
00:23:25.940Yes. Yes, because this was one of the best manifestations, Kristallnacht, of the of the authorities becoming part of the affliction in the worst way.
00:23:39.460Naturally, that started on January 30th, 1933.
00:26:07.120But we need to look at the steps, and we need to understand that right now, people are following the step of identification, exclusion, and confiscation.
00:27:33.540But commercial airwaves, I don't think anybody has.
00:27:36.740Now I think many are beginning to understand why I tried to lay that foundation.
00:27:46.640I have told you since September 11th, I have this feeling that you are going to be the group of people that will, in the end, save the Republic.
00:28:13.280I mean, everything I've done is to prevent us from getting here.
00:28:16.200But everybody is so politically tied to their side that no one will let their shields down and actually listen to one another.
00:28:24.920And we're at that desperate point now.
00:28:27.140You are equipped to save the Republic because you at least hopefully have a fundamental understanding of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and you understand at least a basic understanding of American history.
00:28:46.400More importantly, what makes this audience so phenomenal is that it is the most generous and service-minded audience of any show in America and perhaps the world.
00:29:02.260That's part of what continues to be so frustrating about the Capitol invasion last week.
00:30:11.700These are the hallmarks of regime after regime after Marxist regime on the ash heaps of history.
00:30:20.040Now, China is still there because they have taken the so-called free market, which is not free.
00:30:26.000They took the capitalist system and they combined it with their Marxist utopia.
00:30:32.740And I don't know what's going to happen to the people over there, especially seeing that our high tech has joined them to weed out the dissidents.
00:30:41.940It's not inevitable that we join them and it is going to require us to take a stand.
00:30:51.100Just not in the way that most people, especially if they're angry, think is most effective.
00:31:52.840All we have to decide is what we are going to do with the time that is given us.
00:32:02.220We can't decide what others are going to do.
00:32:04.980We can't control the dangerous Orwellian darkness that seems to be descending on America.
00:32:11.340All we can control, read Man's Search for Meaning, is our response and strive to lead by example.
00:32:25.040And by the way, if you know anyone in your sphere of influence who might be planning to attend one of these armed rallies in the coming days,
00:33:10.520It has been so hard for me not to respond to people on Twitter today who have called me every name under the sun because I quoted the leading Holocaust historian last night on Tucker Carlson.
00:33:26.680But, see, that wasn't an attack on me.