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A powerful interview with Laura Wilkerson, a woman whose son was murdered by an illegal immigrant. The Democratic National Committee withdraws as a sponsor of the Women's March, and Tamika Mallory's relationship with the group's co-presidents.
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Hey, welcome to the podcast big show today. We talked to all of the people who are actually involved in some of the biggest debates of our time.
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Brexit, we had Daniel Hannon on, who was fascinating, a wee bit frightening towards the end, I thought.
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But he's frightening with an English accent, so it feels a lot better.
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Yeah. Well, you know it's more credible, right?
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Because he's an English accent. Also, a member of the Russian LGBT network.
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Uh, why is it we're not hearing about this from the mainstream media?
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We didn't, we don't even know her name because she fears for her life in Russia.
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And the border issue. A powerful, powerful interview with Laura Wilkerson.
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Yeah, her son was murdered by an illegal immigrant.
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And we get into the details of that. It's tough to listen to, but it's important to listen to.
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Also, we had Matt Kibbe on, who, uh, uh, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll bring the news to you.
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Announcing a brand new show on Blaze TV, uh, as well as going over the news of the day.
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You can watch Matt's show, uh, coming up on Blaze TV at BlazeTV.com slash Beck.
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I'll also tell you tomorrow, the debut of Steven Crowder.
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Here's the story from places like the Huffington Post.
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The Democratic National Committee is no longer sponsoring the annual Women March.
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It's set to take place on Saturday in Washington, D.C.
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The Women's March co-presidents, Tamika Mallory and Bob Bland, appeared on The View Monday, where the show's co-host peppered them with questions about the organization.
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Mallory's relationship with Farrakhan was put on the front burner in a heated segment, where she refused to denounce him and instead called him one of the greatest of all time for what he's done in the black communities.
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She repeated to refuse to contend, to condemn Farrakhan's remarks about Jewish people and others, even though being pressured to do so.
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Women's March had been under scrutiny for allegations of anti-sexism, sexism and more.
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As pointed out by the Daily Beast, the DNC was listed among the organization's sponsors as recently as Sunday.
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As of last night, they are no longer listed as a sponsor, although the DNC official declined to comment on the timing of the sponsorship withdrawal, but said that it stands in solidarity with women.
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The DNC stands in solidarity with all those fighting for women's rights, holding the Trump administration, Republican lawmakers around the country accountable.
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Women are on the front lines of fighting back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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We didn't really know the extent of it, and we have kind of a deep dive going into this on, what day is today?
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On the Women's March and the history of it, when it comes to anti-Semitism, which goes back to literally the formational meeting.
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But when they were actually together for the first time discussing the idea of the Women's March, they were talking about the problems with Jews.
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This goes back to my advice that I gave to Republicans back in about 2009.
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I said, you have to be really careful who you're standing with, because there's going to be a lot of people that you're standing with that will agree with a lot of the stuff you agree with.
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But you're going to disagree with them on some pretty big fundamental issues.
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So all these women, they were upset about Donald Trump, or they were upset about, you know, a Republican victory or whatever it was.
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Some of them anti-Semite, anti-white, yada, yada, yada.
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It's like, look at how the right has split apart as soon as there's power.
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The right splits apart, because it's easier to come together when you're against something.
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But when you actually have to state you're for something, you've got to get down to specifics.
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And you're like, okay, well, wait a minute, I'm not for that.
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But you have to know that you have the same principles.
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The DNC says they're standing in solidarity with those fighting for women's rights.
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Well, you should probably get a little more specific.
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Other sponsors have not returned to this year's march, including the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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When you don't have the Southern Poverty Law, when the Southern Poverty Law Center says, you know what, this group on the left is a little extreme.
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They don't have Emily's List, the Human Rights Campaign.
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They don't have the Center for American Progress or Amnesty International standing with them anymore.
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If you're going to the Women's March this weekend, you're in a rapidly diminishing circle of people.
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And you're kind of being left with some radicals.
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The outlet reported fewer than half of the sponsors in 2018 have returned to support 2019.
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If the Democratic Party is bailing on it, it's no longer of use.
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The only use of it in the first place, it had never, I shouldn't say it never had anything to do with women's rights.
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It's because the first, you know, the actual founder of not the March, but the movement who just did it on Facebook, right?
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She's been saying for a while, you got to get these people out of there.
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She bailed out of the entire organization because she knew these people were bad and what they were doing.
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I mean, this is not a high hurdle to clear here.
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We're not asking you for a really nuanced person.
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Hey, you got to distance yourself from Nancy Pelosi.
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And again, it's not just saying, well, look, I went to an event and he was there.
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This is, I'm calling him the greatest of all time for what he's done in the black community, which is what exactly?
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He's done nothing except inject poison into an entire community for multiple decades.
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So this is what's going to happen to the Democratic Party if they're not careful.
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The Democratic Party has become so extreme that they are going to chase off all normal people.
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These guys have been, you know, behind the scenes for a while.
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All the people we talked about while we were at Fox, all those people, they've all been hidden.
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Even the people that we thought were very dangerous at the time, those people are not radical enough.
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And it is becoming a very vicious circle of people.
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And if the Democratic Party is not careful, look at what Mayor Cuomo or Governor Cuomo is doing.
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Right now, the press is talking about how crazy extreme Donald Trump is for saying that he wants law and order and a border wall.
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Another caravan is coming up from Honduras now.
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They're saying that they're hoping that the president will change his mind by the time they get here.
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And whoever is telling you that you're going to be able to get in, they're lying to you.
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So they're coming up from Honduras again, yet another caravan.
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He is being called immoral for saying, we have to be clear.
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And we need a wall to make sure that they understand we're serious about this.
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But what Governor Cuomo is doing, Governor Cuomo says he will not sign another budget until full abortion rights are passed in New York.
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Now, that means full abortion rights means you have a right to an abortion for any reason at any time up until birth.
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You won't pass a budget until you can have a partial birth abortion?
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Do you realize how out of the on the edge and in space and on the fringe that is?
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Somebody really doesn't like attending baby showers.
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This is the Glenn Beck Program, and we welcome a member of Parliament, Daniel Hannon.
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Daniel, thank you for being on the program today.
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Can you please explain to America, if you can, what this means?
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It appears to us on this side of the water that you're kind of going through the same thing we've been going through,
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where the politicians are just not listening to the people, and they're going their own way,
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When the Parliament voted to allow people a referendum on whether to leave the European Union,
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it never occurred to MPs that the voters might disregard their advice and vote leave.
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And what has happened in the last two and a half years since the vote is basically that our political class,
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not only our MPs, but to be fair, you know, the chiefs of the big rent-seeking corporates,
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a lot of the civil service, a lot of what Americans would call the deep state, you know,
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our permanent bureaucracy, diplomats, and, you know, charities and think tanks,
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and the whole establishment have refused to accept the result.
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And although it looks like chaos, it actually has a very simple cause,
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which is basically the politicians and their allies in the political elites are not doing what the country instructed them to.
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So, Daniel, we are going through the same thing with the border.
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Europe is going through this throughout, and it is going to cause chaos if politicians don't start listening to the people.
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Is there a chance that that's going to happen now?
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I mean, you'd have thought that a referendum would be the classic case of where politicians have no option but to listen, right?
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And yet, as I say, it never really occurred to them to plan for a leave vote.
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And so what we've had, there have been some who have, right from the beginning,
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just tried to overturn the result or disregard it.
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Now, I know that that sounds funny, but if you think about it, it's not uncommon practice in the EU.
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You know, whenever they get a result that they don't like in a referendum, they try and rerun it or disregard it.
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So, you know, they treat public opinion as an obstacle to get around, not as a source of instruction.
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Well, I mean, I wouldn't go that far, but there is a mood of unpleasantness and incivility in our discourse, rather like in the U.S.
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I'd never known before years ago people to fall out.
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And so the funny thing is the politicians who have been so determined to try and frustrate Brexit,
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what they've done is they've coalesced around this idea of we mustn't leave without a deal.
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And this, of course, has encouraged the Brussels side when they were told that Britain wasn't going to walk away.
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Well, what would you do in a negotiation, right?
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Imagine you were buying a house or something or selling a house.
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And the other party says, I want you to know that I'm never going to walk away.
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The EU has taken advantage of this weakness to insist on really quite vindictive terms.
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And the funny thing is they may have overplayed their hand, which means that there is now quite a strong likelihood that Britain will leave on the 29th of March without there being any deal at all.
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Well, it's not where I would have wanted to start.
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But given where we now are, I think leaving with no deal whatever is far better than signing up to these vengeful terms that the European side has sent.
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You know, people will still open their shops and the traffic lights will still work.
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And an awful lot of people who have been predicting economic catastrophe are going to be left looking very silly indeed.
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So, Daniel, the Corbyn from, again, across the water and not paying attention to your politics, he doesn't seem like a good dude.
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Is he going to get into the mix here and possible next prime minister?
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Well, do you know, it's not often that anyone accuses you of this, Glenn, but I think you have understated the situation.
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It's a common thing in politics that we use strong language, we use strong words and we can devalue it.
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And then when you're left with the genuine article, you've almost run out of vocabulary.
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Here is, for the first time in British history, a party leader who was on the other side during the Cold War, who regrets the outcome of the Cold War.
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He has never seen a communist dictatorship that he hasn't defended.
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Chavez, Castro, the Soviet Union, he's pro-Hamas, he's pro-Hezbollah, he was pro-IRA.
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In fact, there has never been a quarrel that has involved the UK where he hasn't taken the other side, even when we were fighting the Falklands War, against a fascist dictatorship in Argentina, right?
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A fascist dictatorship that disappeared, as they said, leftist agitators and trade unionists, threw people out of planes and so on.
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He still couldn't bring himself to back Britain.
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This is the guy that two out of five Brits voted for at the last election, which is a truly terrifying thought.
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Now, of course, normally in a mature democracy like ours, you would say, well, someone like that has got no prospect of getting in.
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I mean, he makes Bernie Sanders look like a Republican.
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There's no chance that anyone would vote for someone like him.
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But if there is sufficient anger at the way in which the government fails to deliver the Brexit vote, then anything is possible.
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What do the people of Great Britain want you to do right now?
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What should we be praying for that you guys do that will make sure that it doesn't get more radical and unstable?
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I think the best outcome now is that Brexit is delivered, that we become an independent country with its own trade policy,
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that we move right away to a deep and comprehensive free trade agreement with you guys, our strongest allies and our biggest trading partners.
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I think that will very quickly be followed by a resumption of amicable relations with our European neighbors.
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You know, once this Brexit process is complete, I think we'll very quickly get around the table and become allies again.
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And I think there will then be a restoration of something resembling normal politics in the UK.
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Doesn't that cause a problem with the borders with Ireland and all that stuff?
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And actually, this will become very clear in the event that we leave without a deal, because we will leave without a deal.
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And it will then be obvious that there is no physical border in Ireland and that there was never going to be.
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The whole thing has been cooked up as a way of trying to keep Britain within the EU's trade policy to allow Brussels to continue to dictate whom we trade with and on what terms.
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And, you know, the short answer, when somebody starts saying, oh, but what about a hard border in Ireland?
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Just ask that person, who's going to erect this border?
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I mean, which government is going to send, you know, construction workers to the frontier and tell them to start putting up physical infrastructure?
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Neither London nor Dublin nor Brussels wants it, whether or not there is a deal.
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Does this if if England exits, does this start a domino effect in Europe?
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Well, if it exits and succeeds, which, of course, is one of the reasons why Brussels is being so extreperous and and aggressive in the in the negotiations.
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Right. I mean, if if if any other country, if if Canada or Japan or somewhere were offering the kind of trade terms and close continuing cooperation that Britain was doing, the EU would bite their hand off.
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They'd say, quick, quick, quick, you know, get them to agree to that before the idiots come to their senses.
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But they you know, there are a number of people in the European Commission in Brussels, not so much, I have to say, in the in the national capitals, not in in Warsaw or Rome or Berlin or or Madrid.
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But in Brussels, there are a lot of people who would rather see all sides suffer than watch a post EU Britain succeed.
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We pray for you and we pray for our brothers and sisters across the the ocean and we wish you the best of luck.
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And we have to make time today to talk about that.
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With what's happening in the year with the euro, what's happening with the banking system.
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Um, this is just this is this is this is it's all coming together.
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I mean, we were, you know, we're talking we're talking about a phone call into Russia from
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Um, let me just set it up in case we get the connection because I don't want to get the
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Um, and I want you prepared for this interview.
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Um, this is somebody who is part of the LGBT community in Russia.
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If you remember right, about five years ago, I talked to you about the real plight of homosexuals
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Putin was starting to take away driver's license.
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People, if you were homosexual, you started to lose rights.
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In Chechnya, I told you that they were starting to scoop people up off the street.
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Uh, and this was five years ago and we didn't have confirmation of it.
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Um, now there is the LGBT community in Russia who are, these people are extraordinarily brave.
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Remember, you're screwing with the Chechnyans and Putin and they are trying to reach out
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and say, Hey, we have to tell the world what's going on.
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Now we could be like the world was in, you know, 1939 and go, Oh, well, that's just a bunch
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Or we could actually say these people are risking their life to get this information out.
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Um, what they're saying is, is that, um, people are being taken off the street by the Russian
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Um, uh, about 150 people have already been smuggled out of the area.
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Um, one guy said I was kidnapped and kept for 12 days in a basement.
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Um, they put a plastic bag over my head and put a gun to my head.
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Uh, I was interrogated, physically abused and forced to contact a person that I was dating.
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They made me call another guy and tell him to come into a car where they kidnapped him
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Uh, another, uh, person from Chechnya said that the Russian government in Chechnya, uh,
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electrocuted my friends, beat them, denied them food and water.
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My, um, my plea to you in this audience is that, um, we will put aside feelings that we might
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And I would say that not just to you, I would say that mainly to places like GLAAD.
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I don't agree with GLAAD, but if, if they will stand against this, uh, I will gladly stand with
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Can I, can I call you by your name or assume name?
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Well, uh, hello, let's call me just, uh, the contact.
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Um, and you're a, you're a member of the LGBT network in Russia.
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Um, can you tell us what's happening in Chechnya?
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Well, the thing with Chechnya, it's really difficult to say what exactly is going on
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there because the small NGO, we don't have access there, but what do we know from all
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the sources is that at least 40 people were detained within less than a month and at least
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We have, I think I got 40 people have been taken and two people have been tortured to
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So basically, we know that 40 people were killed and at least two people were tortured
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And the Russian authorities, they still deny even the fact that LGBT people exist in Russia.
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They don't just deny the fact that they're tortured or persecuted.
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So is Putin or is this Chechnyan or is this the Russian government and the Chechnyans?
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Basically, all what's going on, it's like all the people are persecuted by the local law
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enforcement agencies, by the local Chechen police, and both Russian authorities at all
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They say that nothing is going on at all levels.
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Chechen authorities say so, and Russian federal authorities say so, too.
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And if I'm not mistaken, Russia, and Putin in particular, is not friendly to the gay and
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Well, I believe that it's widely known that Russia is a very homophobic country.
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And they have, I know it was proposed, did they end up taking driver's license away from
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What we have is the so-called law, propaganda law, and according to this law, it's prohibited
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But it's not defined what propaganda means, so the court decides on what does it mean, and
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quite often people are accused for very, like, simple things.
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And how is word getting out of Chechnya about this, what's going on?
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Well, we first learned about what's going on there in the very end of December, and we
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So we try to verify everything, so that's why information basically from us appeared
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We work with human rights defenders and with people in Chechnya, and we already evacuated
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And all these people, they have their own contacts.
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So we try, you know, to check from all the sides.
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It's really hard to say what's going on in Chechnya right now, and other people are still
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in prison, and how many people are killed, and what's going on.
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But I believe that information we provided about 40 people detained and two killed is reliable.
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Tell me what you are afraid of, personally, because you're not in Chechnya.
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Well, you know, we have cases when people who were taken out of Chechnya by us, who were
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evacuated and put into shelters, were attacked, and basically were kidnapped.
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And in Russia, we have cases when human rights defenders and journalists who work with Chechnya
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So I believe that, like, we with the Russian LGBT network have all the reasons to remain anonymous.
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First, for our own safety, and second, to be able to continue with our work, to continue
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America is skeptical, to say the least, about Russia right now and Vladimir Putin interference
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and, you know, disinformation, et cetera, et cetera.
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And we can argue it goes both ways, et cetera, et cetera.
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What could you, what would you say to people who would say, well, am I being played by a
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Russian to help Putin make Chechnya into a bad, into a bad place that he could go in
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And when I talk about Chechnya and about people who are being killed and tortured, I talk about
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And what I can say to Americans who are probably listening right now is, like, I truly believe
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that what stopped the first wave of persecution is international attention.
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And I would like basically to ask for more attention from Americans.
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And I believe that it is something that can help many, can save many lives.
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Well, I will tell you that this is a very conservative audience and one that, you know, stereotypical
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in America would say, oh, they've got a problem with gays or whatever.
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And I, for one, will make sure that my audience knows about this.
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I hope that the LGBT networks here in America will start talking about this, take this seriously
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and stand with people like me and my audience to save the lives of people who are being killed
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This is, this is obscene, uh, and violates every kind of human right that, uh, uh, that
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Um, I wish, I wish I knew your name, uh, just so I could write it in my diary for my children
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to listen to and to read about someday about courageous people.
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But I, I think you are extraordinarily brave and, uh, our prayers and our best go to not
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This salad nonsense is driving me out of my mind.
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The media is now coming out and saying, oh, Donald Trump, he was, was he being a misogynist
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by saying the first lady and second lady would make a salad?
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I told him to go in the kitchen and make you a salad.
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But has anyone ever thought that maybe the first lady and the second lady might go, I
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don't know, dad, uh, I mean, we just go in the kitchen.
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He's the kind of guy, if he wants something, he'll send somebody out to make Donald's and
00:33:44.520
I'm a tad concerned why the first lady would say dad to Donald Trump.
00:33:50.560
Well, the second lady is Mike Pence's wife, isn't it?
00:33:55.360
I was thinking he was talking about his daughter, Ivanka.
00:34:07.300
Mr. Matt Kibbe was, uh, a guy who helped start FreedomWorks and then left FreedomWorks.
00:34:18.880
Um, and then you kind of branched out, went out on your own and tried to find, uh, a way
00:34:26.100
to make politics meaningful and, and actually get something done because nothing's working
00:34:41.560
So, um, as of today and, and this was carefully planned for years in advance, um, not really,
00:34:50.080
I am officially a member of, of the Blaze TV family and I will be launching, uh, my new
00:34:59.560
And, and it's going to be different than anything I've ever done before, but it goes to directly
00:35:06.520
You know, if the Tea Party was a cadre of everybody that shared a set of values and we're
00:35:11.760
going to come together and try to impact politics at the margin, I feel like technology
00:35:16.960
is, is enabling us to reach a lot of new people.
00:35:22.160
There's, there's people out there that are trying to figure out where they fit in, in
00:35:28.900
And, and I don't, I don't feel like enough people are even trying to talk to them.
00:35:35.100
It's a really, who is in, in either party per se, who is, I mean, Stu and I talked about
00:35:43.560
What would it take for you to get back and say, you know what?
00:35:46.420
I'm a registered Republican, uh, nothing five years of absolute consistent voting patterns
00:35:57.260
Maybe, maybe, but I mean, I just, I think more and more people are like, I don't, I don't,
00:36:02.240
I don't have a home in either of these parties.
00:36:05.000
And part of it, like it's, it's how young people think about the world.
00:36:07.980
And part of this is very much fueled by technology.
00:36:10.200
They, they live in this a la carte world where they get to choose everything and they, and
00:36:14.480
they choose from millions of, of, of bands every day.
00:36:18.020
And yet when it comes to politics, some, somebody they don't know decided you, you get this
00:36:21.700
choice or that choice and are like, I don't even understand.
00:36:30.440
I think that's, this has kind of been bubbling in my head recently that the problem is, is that
00:36:36.760
we are so a la carte on everything else except for politics that when it comes to something
00:36:43.440
like the border, look, here's, here's what I want.
00:36:51.620
I want to know that MSS 13 is not getting across the border.
00:36:58.880
The wall is only a symbol of screw you politicians.
00:37:08.300
I want something permanent that you can't get around.
00:37:11.980
It's more about the politicians than it is the people on the other side of the border.
00:37:18.700
And I think people on both sides of the aisle across the spectrum have come to this very
00:37:34.220
And all those politicians who used to say one thing at home and then come to Washington and
00:37:38.880
Now you can sort of find out that they were lying to you all along.
00:37:44.540
Like, like people are raging against the machine.
00:37:47.760
All it's happening all over the world and all this vacillation from far left to far right
00:37:53.720
It's just people trying to figure out how to rein this thing in.
00:37:56.820
And, you know, they only have so many tools available to them.
00:38:01.240
But but these symbols, these symbolic fights, you know, is is is Trump going to let the machine
00:38:12.820
I think I think Trump may be just stubborn enough to do what lots of politicians have promised.
00:38:17.780
You know, I'm a veteran of several shutdowns that the 1994, 96 shutdown and then, of course,
00:38:26.500
And and I still believe to this day that the good guys, if they'd stuck with it, would have
00:38:35.720
And I think this is doing tremendous good and bad at the same time.
00:38:40.720
It tremendous good is it's showing us we don't really need it.
00:38:49.540
With an exception of a few things, nothing's really unraveling.
00:38:58.880
You know, again, there are certain exceptions to this.
00:39:02.000
It's good in that way because it's teaching Americans, you know, they're not as important
00:39:06.960
in your life as you as they try to make you believe they are.
00:39:13.040
It could get to the point to where it discredits government so much that you have more of this
00:39:26.460
And, you know, it I didn't actually know until the other day that there's a guy in the government
00:39:31.500
who's been furloughed who approves beer labels.
00:39:36.060
And I'm like, why is the government doing that?
00:39:38.680
One of the things you could learn out of this process is that so many government functions
00:39:43.720
should have never been there in the first place.
00:39:54.320
And I think this is the one thing people might revolt against the against the government
00:39:58.440
shutdown because they're not getting their new flavors of beer.
00:40:01.960
I've thought about switching teams over this issue.
00:40:08.360
Although I don't think she cares about my beer freedom either.
00:40:12.980
So, Matt, when you see things like Brexit and you see the European Union that does not
00:40:25.580
have a constitution, does not have a freedom understanding, and you see this undertow of
00:40:34.840
politicians just being bad, what does that tell you?
00:40:42.200
Well, it's the empire strikes back, and it's all of us learning across the globe that there
00:40:52.800
Big government is a business, and they don't care about you.
00:40:57.880
And I'm not saying that as some sort of cynical, paranoid thing.
00:41:03.200
People in government are just as self-interested as the rest of us, and if you give them all
00:41:06.460
that power, they're going to take care of themselves, not the rest of us, but it's, I happen to
00:41:12.380
be an optimist about this process because I think we're in the middle of learning what
00:41:17.340
government is really about, and because of technology, we see again and again and again
00:41:22.260
that they take care of themselves instead of doing the things that they said they were
00:41:25.960
going to do, but it's pretty scary, and you see this, it's more vivid in Europe than
00:41:33.680
You see the neo-fascists, you see the neo-Marxists, and you could get this vacillation from radical
00:41:40.960
right-wing populism to radical left-wing populism because nobody trusts the process anymore.
00:41:46.620
But that's where we step in, and we got to fill that void with things that we should have
00:41:54.120
And I know you did it every day, but during the Tea Party movement, we needed to spend more
00:42:01.900
You know, why is limiting executive power so important?
00:42:05.220
And why does it matter not just now, but 50 years from now?
00:42:08.800
And we need to sort of fill in those blanks for all of these new eyeballs, these new minds
00:42:15.000
that are trying to figure out how the world works.
00:42:18.420
I mean, I watch your stuff on socialism and everything else.
00:42:20.580
You've been so good at teaching and teaching in a different way, teaching to an audience that
00:42:26.720
is not necessarily my audience, and yet we have so much in common.
00:42:33.440
But you're teaching the people who are like, wait a minute, none of this makes sense.
00:42:41.820
And, you know, how is it that free people manage to solve problems without a TSA, without
00:42:53.340
We live in this world where almost everything we do is free, and we sort of take it for granted
00:42:59.440
that things work when we're left alone to do that kind of stuff.
00:43:03.560
But, you know, we've been told that unless the government has a program, that's not going
00:43:08.400
to get done, but you've got to unveil some of those stories about people helping people
00:43:14.900
And no one told them to do it, and there wasn't an appropriation.
00:43:21.600
You're seeing, you go over to the old former Eastern Bloc, just the fringe countries, Poland,
00:43:39.760
Those countries are not going to go the way of Russia or Europe if it starts to go ugly.
00:43:48.260
I believe that, but there's a reason I spend time over there is because I want to make sure
00:43:52.500
that, you know, the solution is going to be freedom-based and not power-based.
00:43:59.100
Because the thing that's being offered to young people today, which they're rejecting
00:44:04.640
mostly, is, you know, everything's about power, and you can either be a Marxist or a Nazi.
00:44:11.640
And nobody wants to be a Nazi, so I got to be a Marxist?
00:44:16.740
It's an obscene choice, and weirdly, if you accept that left-right thing, which I don't
00:44:23.360
really do, in the middle are all the people that are like, I just want to be left alone,
00:44:27.440
and I want an opportunity to work and create value.
00:44:32.580
I want to be just a decent person, and can't we just be left alone?
00:44:38.100
Let me talk, I'm going to take a quick break, and let me talk to you about the new
00:44:41.160
water, proposed water tax, drinking water tax in California.
00:44:46.740
How extreme Cuomo is getting on his refusal to sign the budget, unless you have access
00:44:55.440
to abortion, even in the last hour of your pregnancy, and how the left is going more and
00:45:06.860
But this is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:45:16.740
I absolutely hate the fact that I'm going to do this interview, or that I have to do
00:45:38.320
this interview, that I think this interview is important.
00:45:58.200
She and her husband owned a plumbing shop, it's a suburb of Houston, Perlin, Texas.
00:46:06.400
And her son, her youngest son, 18 at the time, was brutally murdered, tortured to death by
00:46:25.680
And we have her on the phone to talk about the border wall.
00:46:36.620
I do not want to put you in, I can't imagine what your life is like, and having to talk about
00:46:46.460
So I'm going to, you tell the story in any way that you feel comfortable telling the story.
00:46:55.640
We did, we have three children, and Josh was our youngest son, and he was 18, a senior
00:47:01.360
And we sent him to school one day, and apparently during that day, a classmate asked for a ride
00:47:05.980
home from Josh, and Josh said yes and gave it to him.
00:47:10.040
And Josh never came home that day, and so I knew immediately something was wrong.
00:47:14.300
I guess it's mother's instinct, or, you know, Josh was always that kid of mine that I always
00:47:19.260
And so anyway, I went looking around town for him, and I did not find him.
00:47:25.280
I went by the police station to make sure there wasn't any, you know, accidents or something,
00:47:31.200
At any point, I found a, I was coming home to start really, you know, trying to see what
00:47:36.520
I could do, and I looked over and saw his truck sitting in the back by a dumpster, kind
00:47:42.420
And I went over there and looked at it, and I could tell something was wrong with it.
00:47:45.800
So I called my husband, called police, and they came down, and shortly after that, they
00:47:51.100
opened the dumpster and asked me to come over and, you know, see if these were Joshua's
00:47:56.560
It was his shoes and his backpack and all the stuff that had come out of, you know,
00:48:00.820
And so we stood there in that parking lot for hours, you know, I was wondering if Josh
00:48:06.820
And finally, they sent us home, and they took his truck as, you know, as evidence and made
00:48:13.200
it a crime scene and then sent us home to wait.
00:48:15.940
And that morning, about three in the morning, they came back and said they had a suspect in
00:48:20.440
custody and that they wanted us, we're going to look for him all the next day.
00:48:23.840
So we spent the next day, a whole day looking for him.
00:48:25.940
And finally, he gave up where he had put Joshua's body and told where it was.
00:48:35.120
He was brought here from Belize by his parents when he was 10.
00:48:40.900
And we found out at trial that, you know, he just overstayed, I guess, his visa.
00:48:46.200
But when we finally, two years to bring him to trial, first he was incompetent, so we had
00:48:51.500
And then we brought him back, jury trial, he's competent.
00:48:55.420
And then we went straight to the criminal trial.
00:48:57.380
And at that point, the killer got on the stand and told us exactly how he murdered Josh.
00:49:02.660
And he said, you know, I first kneed him so hard in the stomach, and when he did it, it
00:49:09.480
And next, he took a closet rod and beat him in the head with it until the rod broke in four
00:49:15.300
And he told us that Josh kept trying to get up off the ground, and he didn't want him
00:49:22.620
So he strangled him, and he said, you know, bloody bubbles were coming out of his nose.
00:49:28.160
And, you know, as a mother, you sit there and you hear that, and you think, you know,
00:49:33.100
And then he strangled him over and over until death.
00:49:39.620
And then he tied him up with 13 loops of rope around his neck and to his hands and feet
00:49:48.960
And he put him in our truck, and he drove around town and bought $2 worth of gasoline.
00:49:55.640
And then he set him in a field, and he put his ID and wallet, you know, eight or 10 feet
00:50:02.080
away from the body, I guess, wanting someone to know who he was.
00:50:31.420
I have one daughter today in the hospital for looking at brain surgery, and I have another
00:50:36.960
daughter who was in the hospital for something else this weekend.
00:50:41.640
And I can't imagine losing my children, natural causes.
00:50:49.300
I just, I don't know how you, I don't know how you deal with it.
00:50:57.200
Now, you lived in Houston for a while, and this was a guy, he was kind of a dreamer, wasn't
00:51:05.980
I mean, he would have fallen under the DREAM Act?
00:51:10.480
Yeah, he fit that dream kid description because he was brought here, I think, under the age
00:51:17.440
And then just, you know, he was brought here young and overstayed, I guess, what, maybe
00:51:22.940
You know, it's hard to find out, for me to find out anything about him.
00:51:26.740
Whereas if you're an American citizen, about 10 minutes, you're going to know everything
00:51:36.060
Yes, he was brought here by his parents when he was 10 and then overstayed.
00:51:40.040
And, you know, when the police first went to his parents' home and said, you know, your
00:51:50.900
And his father said, well, I have a ticket to Belize that I've had for three weeks and
00:51:59.400
But that was, you know, it wasn't about, you know, what, what kid, what are you talking
00:52:03.480
How could my kid ever, you know, it was none of that.
00:52:05.420
It was, I have a ticket that I've had for three weeks and I'm going, I'm going to use
00:52:21.180
It's just a response that I thought said everything it needed to say about, about him, you know,
00:52:32.000
I don't care about the politicians and, and, and, um, just talk to a mom or a dad right now.
00:52:41.220
I, I assume that you don't hate all immigrants and you don't hate, uh, you know, Hispanics or
00:52:49.540
Um, um, talk to a parent on why the conversation that we're having right now is so important.
00:52:59.420
And I mean, as a country and why a, a border fence, a border wall is imperative.
00:53:11.380
You know, you, and I can't explain really, there's not, not words to even explain to you
00:53:17.320
the depth of the pain when something like this happens, when you lose a child in any, anything,
00:53:23.080
but then you add the trauma and the violence and the knowledge that he shouldn't have been
00:53:34.380
You know, I died that day to who I was and you have to, it was as down too much as learning
00:53:39.620
to breathe again and crawl again and walk again and stand up again.
00:53:43.520
And it's, it's, it's a rebuilding of our lives that will take forever, um, to do.
00:53:50.480
And the pain, it's just, it's just the soul pain that it goes so deep.
00:53:56.860
Um, and, and we've got to have, you know, it's imperative to have the border because
00:54:04.020
we have a right as American citizens to know who's in this country with us.
00:54:07.680
And, and, and he didn't, he, did he come across the border illegally?
00:54:11.400
Did he, did he make that trek across the border?
00:54:17.540
If I'm not mistaken, his parents had a six month visa for him.
00:54:25.060
And, and this is, I think really important to point out, this isn't just about a border
00:54:32.100
This is about fixing this problem, knowing who is here.
00:54:37.360
We've known that people are overstaying their visa since nine 11.
00:54:42.780
Even doesn't seem like anybody cares about, and I don't mean to, cause you know, this isn't
00:54:50.200
true, but it feels like no one cares about people like you.
00:54:58.020
I mean, that's the only way I've made it through is that, you know, God has assured me that,
00:55:01.980
you know, of where Joshua is today and, and that he will get me through this.
00:55:07.340
And, and that's the, that's the, you know, the security that I have, but you're right.
00:55:13.520
I mean, I can't fly to Austin from Houston to Austin without a driver's license that, you
00:55:17.520
know, what it took to get that and what you have to maintain.
00:55:19.940
You know, you don't have, you can't have a thousand tickets and have a driver's license
00:55:23.320
and, you know, you work to just follow the law.
00:55:27.320
You do it or you don't get the privileges to drive, to fly to, you know, those things.
00:55:31.940
And I just don't understand why they would want to give it away in even leniency on those
00:55:37.800
things to people that have already committed the crime of coming in this country or overstaying
00:55:51.560
Have you, have you talked to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer?
00:55:57.340
I was able to tell my story to Nancy Pelosi once.
00:56:03.640
No, it was a town hall and I happened to be in the audience.
00:56:06.480
And her response to me was that she was sorry and that thanks for channeling my energy,
00:56:13.540
but that everyone in her sanctuary city was a law abiding citizen.
00:56:23.480
I mean, they absolutely know what's happened and what's happening, but they just don't want
00:56:28.820
you to think they know, you know, they want to seem oblivious to it.
00:56:32.340
But everybody knows, I mean, so many more people have died than in 9-11, you know, from
00:56:39.820
illegals in this country, that it's, it's mind-boggling that that's so easily forgotten
00:56:46.560
how just a couple, you know, nine of them that got in and stayed a while and, you know,
00:56:51.880
I, I, I, I tell you, I mean, I don't have anything like this in my life, but I have done
00:57:04.560
enough homework and, and I scream at the television and people on both sides.
00:57:09.620
And I can't imagine it being as personal as it is for you and, and how you just don't
00:57:24.060
I just think, you know, you can't hardly get it across what it does to American families.
00:57:28.640
You know, um, they're broken in so many ways, you know, of our own making divorce and stuff
00:57:35.600
You're, you know, you're, it's absolutely the most devastating thing that I could ever
00:57:42.400
If there's anything, this greater pain, you know, I don't think I'd live through it.
00:57:53.200
You know, we're all learning to put life back together.
00:57:55.740
And that comes with a lot of aggravation and overwhelmed and you can't really do the job
00:58:02.600
And, you know, it's, it's just a mix of all of it.
00:58:05.580
And, uh, you never know what you're going to get when you wake up.
00:58:08.020
If it's going to be kind of an angry day or a sad day and you just have to learn to live
00:58:15.720
I, uh, I'm going to get yelled at by my producers who are always telling me I'm out of time,
00:58:20.600
but, um, can I just take a minute with you and just ask you this?
00:58:25.640
Josh was just a really, really quiet, good kid.
00:58:32.240
You know, he was learning what he wanted to do to life.
00:58:34.800
He thought he might go in the air force like his brother.
00:58:40.640
You know, he died doing exactly what we taught him to do.
00:58:43.540
We, I would never have told him not to, to give somebody a ride home.
00:58:46.800
You know, he, he was the most compassionate, quiet kid, but he, he really had a close relationship
00:58:54.500
You know, sometimes he would say things to me and I would just go, you know, I knew that
00:58:58.200
came from, from Jesus to him and, and not from me.
00:59:05.260
I think that's why people in this community were just so alarmed about it because he,
00:59:22.520
And, uh, you can visit the website enforce the law.org.
00:59:27.620
You want to know why we, the government is closed because it's time we listened to people