The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Daniel Hannan, Matt Kibbe & Laura Wilkerson ｜ 1⧸16⧸19

00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast big show today. We talked to all of the people who are actually involved in some of the biggest debates of our time.

00:00:09.000 Brexit, we had Daniel Hannon on, who was fascinating, a wee bit frightening towards the end, I thought.

00:00:15.880 But you can be a judge.

00:00:17.600 But he's frightening with an English accent, so it feels a lot better. 1.00

00:00:20.280 Yeah. Well, you know it's more credible, right?

00:00:22.320 Because he's an English accent. Also, a member of the Russian LGBT network. 0.86

00:00:27.900 Uh, why is it we're not hearing about this from the mainstream media?

00:00:33.260 We didn't, we don't even know her name because she fears for her life in Russia.

00:00:38.580 And the border issue. A powerful, powerful interview with Laura Wilkerson.

00:00:45.700 Yeah, her son was murdered by an illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:00:48.600 A dreamer, actually. Yeah, a dreamer.

00:00:50.980 And we get into the details of that. It's tough to listen to, but it's important to listen to.

00:00:54.660 Also, we had Matt Kibbe on, who, uh, uh, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll bring the news to you.

00:00:59.700 Announcing a brand new show on Blaze TV, uh, as well as going over the news of the day.

00:01:04.020 You can watch Matt's show, uh, coming up on Blaze TV at BlazeTV.com slash Beck.

00:01:09.480 Use the promo code Beck and get 10 bucks off.

00:01:11.260 I'll also tell you tomorrow, the debut of Steven Crowder.

00:01:14.980 Louder with Crowder comes back for a new season on Blaze TV.

00:01:17.800 It's a big week here at Blaze TV.

00:01:20.020 Now, time for the podcast.

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00:02:32.100 Here's the story from places like the Huffington Post.

00:02:38.260 The Democratic National Committee is no longer sponsoring the annual Women March.

00:02:43.300 It's set to take place on Saturday in Washington, D.C.

00:02:50.040 The Women's March co-presidents, Tamika Mallory and Bob Bland, appeared on The View Monday, where the show's co-host peppered them with questions about the organization.

00:03:01.140 Mallory's relationship with Farrakhan was put on the front burner in a heated segment, where she refused to denounce him and instead called him one of the greatest of all time for what he's done in the black communities.

00:03:10.940 She repeated to refuse to contend, to condemn Farrakhan's remarks about Jewish people and others, even though being pressured to do so.

00:03:20.660 Women's March had been under scrutiny for allegations of anti-sexism, sexism and more.

00:03:26.420 As pointed out by the Daily Beast, the DNC was listed among the organization's sponsors as recently as Sunday.

00:03:32.740 As of last night, they are no longer listed as a sponsor, although the DNC official declined to comment on the timing of the sponsorship withdrawal, but said that it stands in solidarity with women.

00:03:49.620 The DNC stands in solidarity with all those fighting for women's rights, holding the Trump administration, Republican lawmakers around the country accountable.

00:03:56.900 Women are on the front lines of fighting back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:03:59.600 So, here's what really happened.

00:04:04.160 Last year, this was out.

00:04:08.060 Last year, we knew these things were going on.

00:04:10.660 We didn't really know the extent of it, and we have kind of a deep dive going into this on, what day is today?

00:04:18.900 It's Wednesday, so tomorrow's show.

00:04:21.320 Tomorrow.

00:04:21.600 On the Women's March and the history of it, when it comes to anti-Semitism, which goes back to literally the formational meeting.

00:04:30.440 But when they were actually together for the first time discussing the idea of the Women's March, they were talking about the problems with Jews.

00:04:40.660 That is how deep this goes. 0.92

00:04:43.020 The problem with the Jews. 1.00

00:04:45.420 This goes back to my advice that I gave to Republicans back in about 2009.

00:04:53.760 I said, you have to be really careful who you're standing with, because there's going to be a lot of people that you're standing with that will agree with a lot of the stuff you agree with.

00:05:02.980 But you're going to disagree with them on some pretty big fundamental issues.

00:05:07.840 Don't be hijacked.

00:05:11.000 So all these women, they were upset about Donald Trump, or they were upset about, you know, a Republican victory or whatever it was.

00:05:18.480 Some of them valid reasons.

00:05:21.360 Some of them anti-Semite, anti-white, yada, yada, yada.

00:05:26.160 You all came together.

00:05:27.580 It's like, look at how the right has split apart as soon as there's power.

00:05:39.100 The right splits apart, because it's easier to come together when you're against something.

00:05:44.740 But when you actually have to state you're for something, you've got to get down to specifics.

00:05:50.340 And you're like, okay, well, wait a minute, I'm not for that.

00:05:53.240 And then it starts to break apart somewhat.

00:05:55.740 But you have to know that you have the same principles.

00:06:00.040 The DNC says they're standing in solidarity with those fighting for women's rights.

00:06:04.280 Well, you should probably get a little more specific.

00:06:09.640 This is what really happened.

00:06:11.280 It had nothing to do with the view.

00:06:13.960 Other sponsors have not returned to this year's march, including the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:06:20.180 When you don't have the Southern Poverty Law, when the Southern Poverty Law Center says, you know what, this group on the left is a little extreme.

00:06:28.720 That's saying something.

00:06:31.540 They don't have Emily's List, the Human Rights Campaign.

00:06:34.880 They don't have NARAL.

00:06:36.920 They don't have the Center for American Progress or Amnesty International standing with them anymore.

00:06:42.140 If you're going to the Women's March this weekend, you're in a rapidly diminishing circle of people.

00:06:52.800 And you're kind of being left with some radicals.

00:06:58.320 The outlet reported fewer than half of the sponsors in 2018 have returned to support 2019.

00:07:05.680 This thing is over.

00:07:08.240 And it's not like the Tea Party.

00:07:11.700 The Tea Party didn't implode.

00:07:14.860 This is imploding.

00:07:17.480 I mean, it's over.

00:07:18.880 If the Democratic Party is bailing on it, it's no longer of use.

00:07:21.880 It's over.

00:07:22.180 The only use of it in the first place, it had never, I shouldn't say it never had anything to do with women's rights.

00:07:27.880 It's because the first, you know, the actual founder of not the March, but the movement who just did it on Facebook, right?

00:07:36.320 Like it wasn't.

00:07:37.200 She seems to be someone who.

00:07:39.400 She's been saying for a while, you got to get these people out of there.

00:07:42.540 She bailed out of the entire organization because she knew these people were bad and what they were doing.

00:07:47.120 And they wouldn't denounce Louis Farrakhan.

00:07:49.480 I mean, this is not a high hurdle to clear here.

00:07:52.180 We're not asking you for a really nuanced person.

00:07:54.940 Hey, you got to distance yourself from Nancy Pelosi.

00:07:57.880 No, this is Louis Farrakhan.

00:08:00.240 And again, it's not just saying, well, look, I went to an event and he was there.

00:08:03.960 And I'm not going to trash the guy.

00:08:05.100 We were at the same event.

00:08:06.080 This is, I'm calling him the greatest of all time for what he's done in the black community, which is what exactly? 0.97

00:08:13.040 Convince them that Jews are bad? 0.78

00:08:15.120 What exactly has he done? 1.00

00:08:16.140 And whites are bad? 1.00

00:08:16.600 That they should kill white people? 1.00

00:08:18.440 Whites are the devil? 1.00

00:08:20.920 What has he done? 0.98

00:08:22.160 He's done nothing except inject poison into an entire community for multiple decades.

00:08:28.200 So this is what's going to happen to the Democratic Party if they're not careful.

00:08:32.240 The Democratic Party has become so extreme that they are going to chase off all normal people.

00:08:40.880 Now, they've hit it pretty well.

00:08:43.020 These guys have been, you know, behind the scenes for a while.

00:08:46.300 All the people we talked about while we were at Fox, all those people, they've all been hidden.

00:08:51.180 They've all been washed.

00:08:52.560 Even the people that we thought were very dangerous at the time, those people are not radical enough.

00:09:03.720 And those people are on the outs.

00:09:06.780 They are eating their own.

00:09:09.240 And it is becoming a very vicious circle of people.

00:09:14.520 Very vicious.

00:09:15.900 And you're seeing it.

00:09:17.120 And if the Democratic Party is not careful, look at what Mayor Cuomo or Governor Cuomo is doing.

00:09:24.820 Right now, the press is talking about how crazy extreme Donald Trump is for saying that he wants law and order and a border wall.

00:09:36.540 Now, we have more people coming from Honduras.

00:09:38.700 I don't know if you heard this.

00:09:39.480 Another caravan is coming up from Honduras now.

00:09:42.040 800 people in this one.

00:09:43.660 They're saying that they're hoping that the president will change his mind by the time they get here.

00:09:49.080 He's not, guys.

00:09:50.380 He's not going to change his mind.

00:09:52.160 You're not coming into the United States. 0.99

00:09:55.660 It's immoral.

00:09:57.460 And whoever is telling you that you're going to be able to get in, they're lying to you.

00:10:03.760 They're lying to you.

00:10:05.380 So they're coming up from Honduras again, yet another caravan.

00:10:12.080 He is being called immoral for saying, we have to be clear.

00:10:18.100 This is a humanitarian crisis.

00:10:20.080 It'll only get worse.

00:10:21.240 We have to be clear.

00:10:22.420 You're not coming in.

00:10:24.120 And we need a wall to make sure that they understand we're serious about this.

00:10:30.240 That's immoral.

00:10:31.280 But what Governor Cuomo is doing, Governor Cuomo says he will not sign another budget until full abortion rights are passed in New York.

00:10:43.700 Now, that means full abortion rights means you have a right to an abortion for any reason at any time up until birth. 0.65

00:10:55.380 Excuse me?

00:10:59.320 How is that not immoral?

00:11:02.940 How is that not?

00:11:04.680 How dare you take the state hostage?

00:11:08.580 You won't pass a budget until you can have a partial birth abortion? 1.00

00:11:16.880 Do you realize how out of the on the edge and in space and on the fringe that is?

00:11:22.880 Somebody really doesn't like attending baby showers.

00:11:25.900 I think that's the one.

00:11:27.220 Wow.

00:11:27.580 Does not want to show up.

00:11:32.000 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:11:39.760 This is the Glenn Beck Program, and we welcome a member of Parliament, Daniel Hannon.

00:11:44.380 Daniel, thank you for being on the program today.

00:11:46.880 It's a great pleasure, Beck.

00:11:47.920 Always nice to be with you.

00:11:48.720 You bet.

00:11:49.260 We know how busy you are.

00:11:50.220 Can you please explain to America, if you can, what this means?

00:11:55.720 It appears to us on this side of the water that you're kind of going through the same thing we've been going through,

00:12:01.960 where the politicians are just not listening to the people, and they're going their own way,

00:12:10.080 and Theresa May has paid a heavy price for it. 0.98

00:12:13.520 What's happening?

00:12:14.180 Yeah, I think you put it very well.

00:12:17.440 When the Parliament voted to allow people a referendum on whether to leave the European Union,

00:12:23.620 it never occurred to MPs that the voters might disregard their advice and vote leave.

00:12:29.580 And what has happened in the last two and a half years since the vote is basically that our political class,

00:12:36.040 not only our MPs, but to be fair, you know, the chiefs of the big rent-seeking corporates,

00:12:41.820 a lot of the civil service, a lot of what Americans would call the deep state, you know,

00:12:44.680 our permanent bureaucracy, diplomats, and, you know, charities and think tanks,

00:12:50.460 and the whole establishment have refused to accept the result.

00:12:54.500 And although it looks like chaos, it actually has a very simple cause,

00:12:58.860 which is basically the politicians and their allies in the political elites are not doing what the country instructed them to.

00:13:06.220 So, Daniel, we are going through the same thing with the border.

00:13:09.820 Europe is going through this throughout, and it is going to cause chaos if politicians don't start listening to the people.

00:13:19.680 Is there a chance that that's going to happen now?

00:13:22.100 I mean, you'd have thought that a referendum would be the classic case of where politicians have no option but to listen, right?

00:13:30.700 Because that's what a referendum is.

00:13:32.560 And yet, as I say, it never really occurred to them to plan for a leave vote.

00:13:37.740 And so what we've had, there have been some who have, right from the beginning,

00:13:41.500 just tried to overturn the result or disregard it.

00:13:43.720 Now, I know that that sounds funny, but if you think about it, it's not uncommon practice in the EU.

00:13:48.560 You know, whenever they get a result that they don't like in a referendum, they try and rerun it or disregard it.

00:13:53.640 They did it in Denmark.

00:13:54.680 They did it in Ireland.

00:13:55.620 They did it in France, Netherlands.

00:13:57.400 So, you know, they treat public opinion as an obstacle to get around, not as a source of instruction.

00:14:04.020 And that's why there's unrest in the streets.

00:14:05.680 Well, I mean, I wouldn't go that far, but there is a mood of unpleasantness and incivility in our discourse, rather like in the U.S.

00:14:17.740 But for us, it's really new.

00:14:21.380 I'd never known before years ago people to fall out.

00:14:24.460 So, yeah, I meant in Europe, not in England.

00:14:27.620 Yeah.

00:14:28.260 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:29.540 That is certainly the case.

00:14:31.300 And from a similar cause, you know.

00:14:33.820 And so the funny thing is the politicians who have been so determined to try and frustrate Brexit,

00:14:41.140 what they've done is they've coalesced around this idea of we mustn't leave without a deal.

00:14:46.220 And this, of course, has encouraged the Brussels side when they were told that Britain wasn't going to walk away.

00:14:51.260 Well, what would you do in a negotiation, right?

00:14:53.100 Imagine you were buying a house or something or selling a house.

00:14:55.140 And the other party says, I want you to know that I'm never going to walk away.

00:14:58.700 I'm definitely going to find something.

00:15:00.100 What would you do?

00:15:00.680 The EU has taken advantage of this weakness to insist on really quite vindictive terms.

00:15:08.760 And the funny thing is they may have overplayed their hand, which means that there is now quite a strong likelihood that Britain will leave on the 29th of March without there being any deal at all.

00:15:20.000 Is that a good thing?

00:15:22.400 Well, it's not where I would have wanted to start.

00:15:24.740 But given where we now are, I think leaving with no deal whatever is far better than signing up to these vengeful terms that the European side has sent.

00:15:35.640 And you know what?

00:15:36.600 Life is going to carry on.

00:15:37.800 You know, people will still open their shops and the traffic lights will still work. 0.62

00:15:41.380 And an awful lot of people who have been predicting economic catastrophe are going to be left looking very silly indeed.

00:15:47.400 So, Daniel, the Corbyn from, again, across the water and not paying attention to your politics, he doesn't seem like a good dude. 0.59

00:15:57.900 He seems anti-Semitic.

00:16:03.120 He's a socialist at best.

00:16:06.200 But what is what's happening with him?

00:16:09.680 Is he going to get into the mix here and possible next prime minister?

00:16:15.600 Well, it's a scary thought.

00:16:17.260 I mean, here's the thing, Glenn.

00:16:18.800 So we're reading this right about him?

00:16:20.480 Well, do you know, it's not often that anyone accuses you of this, Glenn, but I think you have understated the situation.

00:16:27.960 It's a common thing in politics that we use strong language, we use strong words and we can devalue it.

00:16:36.580 And then when you're left with the genuine article, you've almost run out of vocabulary.

00:16:41.360 But let me put it like this.

00:16:43.480 Here is, for the first time in British history, a party leader who was on the other side during the Cold War, who regrets the outcome of the Cold War.

00:16:53.460 He has never seen a communist dictatorship that he hasn't defended.

00:16:56.720 Chavez, Castro, the Soviet Union, he's pro-Hamas, he's pro-Hezbollah, he was pro-IRA. 0.88

00:17:03.320 In fact, there has never been a quarrel that has involved the UK where he hasn't taken the other side, even when we were fighting the Falklands War, against a fascist dictatorship in Argentina, right?

00:17:14.360 A fascist dictatorship that disappeared, as they said, leftist agitators and trade unionists, threw people out of planes and so on.

00:17:22.580 He still couldn't bring himself to back Britain. 0.57

00:17:25.460 This is the guy that two out of five Brits voted for at the last election, which is a truly terrifying thought.

00:17:31.780 Now, of course, normally in a mature democracy like ours, you would say, well, someone like that has got no prospect of getting in.

00:17:38.840 I mean, he makes Bernie Sanders look like a Republican.

00:17:41.040 There's no chance that anyone would vote for someone like him.

00:17:43.480 But if there is sufficient anger at the way in which the government fails to deliver the Brexit vote, then anything is possible.

00:17:53.200 What do the people of Great Britain want you to do right now?

00:17:58.560 What should we be praying for that you guys do that will make sure that it doesn't get more radical and unstable?

00:18:07.360 I think the best outcome now is that Brexit is delivered, that we become an independent country with its own trade policy,

00:18:14.620 that we move right away to a deep and comprehensive free trade agreement with you guys, our strongest allies and our biggest trading partners.

00:18:22.500 And we're also your biggest investors.

00:18:24.440 You're our biggest investors.

00:18:25.260 That will be a big part of it.

00:18:26.700 I think that will very quickly be followed by a resumption of amicable relations with our European neighbors.

00:18:33.380 You know, once this Brexit process is complete, I think we'll very quickly get around the table and become allies again.

00:18:38.560 And I think there will then be a restoration of something resembling normal politics in the UK.

00:18:43.660 What about Ireland?

00:18:45.640 Doesn't that cause a problem with the borders with Ireland and all that stuff?

00:18:49.060 Or is that just nonsense?

00:18:52.120 I'm afraid it is just nonsense.

00:18:54.320 And actually, this will become very clear in the event that we leave without a deal, because we will leave without a deal.

00:19:00.960 And it will then be obvious that there is no physical border in Ireland and that there was never going to be.

00:19:06.160 The whole thing has been cooked up as a way of trying to keep Britain within the EU's trade policy to allow Brussels to continue to dictate whom we trade with and on what terms.

00:19:16.760 And, you know, the short answer, when somebody starts saying, oh, but what about a hard border in Ireland?

00:19:22.300 Just ask that person, who's going to erect this border?

00:19:26.420 I mean, which government is going to send, you know, construction workers to the frontier and tell them to start putting up physical infrastructure?

00:19:34.560 It's just not going to happen.

00:19:36.080 Neither London nor Dublin nor Brussels wants it, whether or not there is a deal.

00:19:39.640 One last question.

00:19:42.120 Does this if if England exits, does this start a domino effect in Europe?

00:19:51.740 Well, if it exits and succeeds, which, of course, is one of the reasons why Brussels is being so extreperous and and aggressive in the in the negotiations.

00:20:02.660 Right. I mean, if if if any other country, if if Canada or Japan or somewhere were offering the kind of trade terms and close continuing cooperation that Britain was doing, the EU would bite their hand off.

00:20:14.340 They'd say, quick, quick, quick, you know, get them to agree to that before the idiots come to their senses. 0.92

00:20:17.740 But they you know, there are a number of people in the European Commission in Brussels, not so much, I have to say, in the in the national capitals, not in in Warsaw or Rome or Berlin or or Madrid. 0.98

00:20:30.820 But in Brussels, there are a lot of people who would rather see all sides suffer than watch a post EU Britain succeed.

00:20:40.700 Daniel, thank you so much.

00:20:42.680 We pray for you and we pray for our brothers and sisters across the the ocean and we wish you the best of luck.

00:20:49.460 God bless.

00:20:50.440 Thank you, my friend.

00:20:51.280 All the best to you.

00:20:52.040 You bet.

00:20:52.440 Daniel Hannon.

00:20:54.660 That concerns me.

00:20:55.880 What he just said really concerns me.

00:20:58.680 And we have to make time today to talk about that.

00:21:01.300 I know we're out of time.

00:21:02.060 They want to see it fail.

00:21:03.620 Yeah.

00:21:04.900 With what's happening in the year with the euro, what's happening with the banking system.

00:21:10.660 Um, this is just this is this is this is it's all coming together.

00:21:21.940 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:21:41.160 I want to set this up just in case.

00:21:43.180 Do we know, Sarah, what the odds are?

00:21:45.680 I mean, are we having transmission?

00:21:47.220 Are we not getting a connection?

00:21:49.380 What do you know what's happening?

00:21:50.480 Connection is not happening yet.

00:21:54.400 Um, um, the tough one.

00:21:56.640 I mean, we were, you know, we're talking we're talking about a phone call into Russia from

00:21:59.660 someone who's hiding their identity.

00:22:01.300 Yeah.

00:22:01.760 I mean, you know, who knows?

00:22:03.760 I know.

00:22:04.420 So I will.

00:22:06.020 Um, let me just set it up in case we get the connection because I don't want to get the

00:22:09.420 connection and then not go to it.

00:22:10.700 Um, and I want you prepared for this interview.

00:22:13.640 Um, this is somebody who is part of the LGBT community in Russia.

00:22:19.620 If you remember right, about five years ago, I talked to you about the real plight of homosexuals

00:22:26.180 in, in the former Soviet Union.

00:22:28.820 Putin was starting to take away driver's license.

00:22:31.900 People, if you were homosexual, you started to lose rights.

00:22:35.120 In Chechnya, I told you that they were starting to scoop people up off the street. 0.99

00:22:40.040 Uh, and this was five years ago and we didn't have confirmation of it.

00:22:44.960 We just had words.

00:22:47.340 Um, now there is the LGBT community in Russia who are, these people are extraordinarily brave.

00:22:56.400 Remember, you're screwing with the Chechnyans and Putin and they are trying to reach out 0.96

00:23:04.060 and say, Hey, we have to tell the world what's going on.

00:23:07.640 Now we could be like the world was in, you know, 1939 and go, Oh, well, that's just a bunch 0.99

00:23:13.940 of crazy Jews. 1.00

00:23:14.960 The Germans would never do that. 0.99

00:23:16.720 Or we could actually say these people are risking their life to get this information out.

00:23:22.320 And they're Russians.

00:23:23.480 Um, what they're saying is, is that, um, people are being taken off the street by the Russian

00:23:31.780 government. 0.63

00:23:32.800 Um, they are targeted because they are gay.

00:23:37.860 Um, uh, about 150 people have already been smuggled out of the area.

00:23:44.600 Um, one guy said I was kidnapped and kept for 12 days in a basement.

00:23:50.460 Um, they put a plastic bag over my head and put a gun to my head.

00:23:54.960 Uh, I was interrogated, physically abused and forced to contact a person that I was dating.

00:24:00.200 They made me call another guy and tell him to come into a car where they kidnapped him

00:24:06.260 as well.

00:24:07.780 Uh, another, uh, person from Chechnya said that the Russian government in Chechnya, uh,

00:24:14.380 electrocuted my friends, beat them, denied them food and water.

00:24:20.040 My, um, my plea to you in this audience is that, um, we will put aside feelings that we might

00:24:36.080 have about, um, agendas.

00:24:41.480 And I would say that not just to you, I would say that mainly to places like GLAAD.

00:24:47.460 I don't agree with GLAAD, but if, if they will stand against this, uh, I will gladly stand with

00:24:55.740 them.

00:24:56.120 We need to pay attention.

00:24:57.880 We have the connection now in, uh, Russia.

00:25:02.100 Um, how do I even address you?

00:25:04.440 Can I, can I call you by your name or assume name?

00:25:11.060 Well, uh, hello, let's call me just, uh, the contact.

00:25:15.780 Okay.

00:25:16.160 Contact.

00:25:16.800 Um, and you're a, you're a member of the LGBT network in Russia.

00:25:22.840 Yes, that's right.

00:25:24.340 Um, can you tell us what's happening in Chechnya?

00:25:27.820 Well, the thing with Chechnya, it's really difficult to say what exactly is going on

00:25:35.540 there because the small NGO, we don't have access there, but what do we know from all

00:25:40.080 the sources is that at least 40 people were detained within less than a month and at least

00:25:45.200 two people were killed.

00:25:46.540 Basically, they were tortured to death.

00:25:49.160 And it always, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:25:51.060 Hold on just a sec.

00:25:51.960 Could you speak a little slower?

00:25:53.920 We have, I think I got 40 people have been taken and two people have been tortured to

00:25:59.560 death.

00:26:00.540 If you'll just speak a little slower.

00:26:05.620 Okay.

00:26:06.020 What do we know?

00:26:07.240 Shall we start from the very beginning?

00:26:08.520 Yeah, go ahead.

00:26:09.140 Go ahead.

00:26:09.480 We're live by the way.

00:26:10.440 So basically, we know that 40 people were killed and at least two people were tortured

00:26:21.820 to death. 0.75

00:26:22.860 And the Russian authorities, they still deny even the fact that LGBT people exist in Russia.

00:26:27.500 They don't just deny the fact that they're tortured or persecuted.

00:26:30.320 So is Putin or is this Chechnyan or is this the Russian government and the Chechnyans? 0.76

00:26:47.640 Basically, all what's going on, it's like all the people are persecuted by the local law

00:26:54.120 enforcement agencies, by the local Chechen police, and both Russian authorities at all

00:27:01.240 levels.

00:27:02.040 They say that nothing is going on at all levels.

00:27:04.660 Chechen authorities say so, and Russian federal authorities say so, too. 0.60

00:27:09.060 And if I'm not mistaken, Russia, and Putin in particular, is not friendly to the gay and 0.99

00:27:17.440 lesbian agenda at all. 1.00

00:27:18.960 Well, I believe that it's widely known that Russia is a very homophobic country.

00:27:27.040 And they have, I know it was proposed, did they end up taking driver's license away from

00:27:34.200 gay and lesbians, known gay and lesbians?

00:27:38.600 No.

00:27:39.900 They did not?

00:27:40.840 Basically, no.

00:27:41.460 They don't do anything like that, no.

00:27:44.440 What we have is the so-called law, propaganda law, and according to this law, it's prohibited

00:27:51.360 to propagate homosexuality among minors. 0.94

00:27:54.900 But it's not defined what propaganda means, so the court decides on what does it mean, and

00:28:00.900 quite often people are accused for very, like, simple things.

00:28:04.920 And how is word getting out of Chechnya about this, what's going on?

00:28:14.840 How do you, how reliable is this information?

00:28:20.380 Well, we first learned about what's going on there in the very end of December, and we

00:28:26.120 didn't know if it was true or not.

00:28:29.080 So we try to verify everything, so that's why information basically from us appeared

00:28:34.340 only this week.

00:28:35.420 We have our own sources, of course.

00:28:37.820 We work with human rights defenders and with people in Chechnya, and we already evacuated 0.54

00:28:43.200 more than, like, around 150 people from there.

00:28:46.920 And all these people, they have their own contacts.

00:28:49.960 So we try, you know, to check from all the sides.

00:28:52.400 It's really hard to say what's going on in Chechnya right now, and other people are still

00:28:59.180 in prison, and how many people are killed, and what's going on.

00:29:02.740 But I believe that information we provided about 40 people detained and two killed is reliable.

00:29:10.720 Tell me what you are afraid of, personally, because you're not in Chechnya.

00:29:15.920 So why, what are you afraid of?

00:29:18.180 Well, you know, we have cases when people who were taken out of Chechnya by us, who were

00:29:26.200 evacuated and put into shelters, were attacked, and basically were kidnapped.

00:29:31.520 And in Russia, we have cases when human rights defenders and journalists who work with Chechnya 0.97

00:29:36.700 issues were killed.

00:29:38.280 So I believe that, like, we with the Russian LGBT network have all the reasons to remain anonymous.

00:29:44.960 First, for our own safety, and second, to be able to continue with our work, to continue

00:29:51.740 to support those who are in Chechnya.

00:29:55.280 I have to ask you a tough question here.

00:29:59.120 America is skeptical, to say the least, about Russia right now and Vladimir Putin interference

00:30:07.960 and, you know, disinformation, et cetera, et cetera.

00:30:11.360 And we can argue it goes both ways, et cetera, et cetera.

00:30:14.020 But that's where America is right now.

00:30:16.520 What could you, what would you say to people who would say, well, am I being played by a

00:30:23.460 Russian to help Putin make Chechnya into a bad, into a bad place that he could go in 0.99

00:30:31.640 and be an iron fist?

00:30:36.260 Mm-hmm.

00:30:36.960 You know, I mean, I'm not a politician.

00:30:40.020 I'm a human rights defender.

00:30:42.040 I am really not into politics right now.

00:30:45.280 And when I talk about Chechnya and about people who are being killed and tortured, I talk about

00:30:51.620 people's lives.

00:30:53.280 And I talk about people's destinies.

00:30:55.120 And what I can say to Americans who are probably listening right now is, like, I truly believe

00:31:01.740 that what stopped the first wave of persecution is international attention.

00:31:06.120 And I would like basically to ask for more attention from Americans.

00:31:11.780 And I believe that it is something that can help many, can save many lives.

00:31:17.060 Well, I will tell you that this is a very conservative audience and one that, you know, stereotypical

00:31:30.380 in America would say, oh, they've got a problem with gays or whatever.

00:31:34.340 And we don't.

00:31:36.260 And I, for one, will make sure that my audience knows about this.

00:31:45.320 I hope that the LGBT networks here in America will start talking about this, take this seriously

00:31:57.820 and stand with people like me and my audience to save the lives of people who are being killed

00:32:08.840 just because of their lifestyle.

00:32:10.320 This is, this is obscene, uh, and violates every kind of human right that, uh, uh, that

00:32:17.520 you can imagine.

00:32:19.020 Um, so I, I thank you for your bravery.

00:32:22.160 Um, I wish, I wish I knew your name, uh, just so I could write it in my diary for my children

00:32:29.420 to listen to and to read about someday about courageous people.

00:32:33.240 But I, I think you are extraordinarily brave and, uh, our prayers and our best go to not

00:32:39.120 only you, but everyone in your network.

00:32:41.320 Thank you so much.

00:32:42.320 Thank you.

00:32:47.880 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:32:49.740 And we really want to thank you for listening.

00:32:51.560 This salad nonsense is driving me out of my mind.

00:33:03.960 The media is now coming out and saying, oh, Donald Trump, he was, was he being a misogynist

00:33:08.420 by saying the first lady and second lady would make a salad? 1.00

00:33:11.540 Yeah, that's exactly what he was doing.

00:33:13.640 Yeah.

00:33:14.020 You know, guys, uh, I got the little fillies.

00:33:16.220 I told him to go in the kitchen and make you a salad.

00:33:18.220 But has anyone ever thought that maybe the first lady and the second lady might go, I

00:33:25.460 don't know, dad, uh, I mean, we just go in the kitchen.

00:33:28.820 We can make a salad.

00:33:29.840 First of all, he's not making salads.

00:33:32.040 He's not making a salad for himself.

00:33:33.400 He's not making food himself.

00:33:35.060 He's lived the life of Donald Trump forever.

00:33:37.580 He's the kind of guy, if he wants something, he'll send somebody out to make Donald's and

00:33:40.960 that's what he eats.

00:33:42.140 Can we stop with this nonsense?

00:33:44.520 I'm a tad concerned why the first lady would say dad to Donald Trump. 0.92

00:33:49.180 Oh, the second lady said that. 1.00

00:33:50.560 Well, the second lady is Mike Pence's wife, isn't it? 1.00

00:33:52.940 Yeah, Mike Pence.

00:33:54.120 Oh, I guess it is.

00:33:55.360 I was thinking he was talking about his daughter, Ivanka.

00:33:58.020 Yeah.

00:34:02.620 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:34:04.900 And don't forget, rate us on iTunes.

00:34:07.300 Mr. Matt Kibbe was, uh, a guy who helped start FreedomWorks and then left FreedomWorks.

00:34:16.660 You were instrumental in the Tea Party.

00:34:18.880 Um, and then you kind of branched out, went out on your own and tried to find, uh, a way

00:34:26.100 to make politics meaningful and, and actually get something done because nothing's working

00:34:32.700 right now.

00:34:33.380 Yeah, that could be a contradiction, right?

00:34:35.340 Yeah, I know.

00:34:36.620 How are you, Matt?

00:34:37.460 I am doing great.

00:34:38.580 Good.

00:34:38.880 Should we start with the announcement?

00:34:40.080 Yeah, let's do that.

00:34:40.900 Go ahead.

00:34:41.560 So, um, as of today and, and this was carefully planned for years in advance, um, not really,

00:34:48.180 um, it just sort of happened.

00:34:50.080 I am officially a member of, of the Blaze TV family and I will be launching, uh, my new

00:34:56.460 show, Kibbe on Liberty, uh, imminently.

00:34:59.560 And, and it's going to be different than anything I've ever done before, but it goes to directly

00:35:04.840 to what we were talking about.

00:35:06.520 You know, if the Tea Party was a cadre of everybody that shared a set of values and we're

00:35:11.760 going to come together and try to impact politics at the margin, I feel like technology

00:35:16.960 is, is enabling us to reach a lot of new people.

00:35:20.400 I call them, I call them the Liberty curious.

00:35:22.160 There's, there's people out there that are trying to figure out where they fit in, in

00:35:26.800 this hyper-partisan world.

00:35:28.900 And, and I don't, I don't feel like enough people are even trying to talk to them.

00:35:33.420 So we're going to try to do that.

00:35:35.100 It's a really, who is in, in either party per se, who is, I mean, Stu and I talked about

00:35:41.700 this, um, just the other day.

00:35:43.560 What would it take for you to get back and say, you know what?

00:35:46.420 I'm a registered Republican, uh, nothing five years of absolute consistent voting patterns

00:35:54.700 and standing up for the constitution.

00:35:57.260 Maybe, maybe, but I mean, I just, I think more and more people are like, I don't, I don't,

00:36:02.240 I don't have a home in either of these parties.

00:36:05.000 And part of it, like it's, it's how young people think about the world.

00:36:07.980 And part of this is very much fueled by technology.

00:36:10.200 They, they live in this a la carte world where they get to choose everything and they, and

00:36:14.480 they choose from millions of, of, of bands every day.

00:36:17.660 Right.

00:36:18.020 And yet when it comes to politics, some, somebody they don't know decided you, you get this

00:36:21.700 choice or that choice and are like, I don't even understand.

00:36:25.360 Well, that's right.

00:36:26.720 What is that?

00:36:27.420 Right.

00:36:27.840 And, and I think that's the problem.

00:36:30.440 I think that's, this has kind of been bubbling in my head recently that the problem is, is that

00:36:36.760 we are so a la carte on everything else except for politics that when it comes to something

00:36:43.440 like the border, look, here's, here's what I want.

00:36:47.180 I want security.

00:36:48.440 I want to know who's in the country.

00:36:51.620 I want to know that MSS 13 is not getting across the border.

00:36:55.540 So I don't care what it is.

00:36:58.880 The wall is only a symbol of screw you politicians.

00:37:04.140 You've told us you care about this forever.

00:37:06.800 I don't believe you.

00:37:08.300 I want something permanent that you can't get around.

00:37:11.980 It's more about the politicians than it is the people on the other side of the border.

00:37:16.400 I feel.

00:37:17.300 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:37:18.700 And I think people on both sides of the aisle across the spectrum have come to this very

00:37:24.880 uncomfortable realization that, you know what?

00:37:28.580 Government's been lying to us.

00:37:30.320 And this is also fueled by technology.

00:37:32.860 People know more.

00:37:34.220 And all those politicians who used to say one thing at home and then come to Washington and

00:37:38.220 do the opposite.

00:37:38.880 Now you can sort of find out that they were lying to you all along.

00:37:42.440 So I view it as a paradigm shift.

00:37:44.540 Like, like people are raging against the machine.

00:37:47.760 All it's happening all over the world and all this vacillation from far left to far right

00:37:52.640 and all that stuff.

00:37:53.720 It's just people trying to figure out how to rein this thing in.

00:37:56.820 And, you know, they only have so many tools available to them.

00:37:59.560 So they do what they can.

00:38:01.240 But but these symbols, these symbolic fights, you know, is is is Trump going to let the machine

00:38:08.640 beat him?

00:38:10.340 I think they might have met their match.

00:38:12.240 I do, too.

00:38:12.820 I think I think Trump may be just stubborn enough to do what lots of politicians have promised.

00:38:17.780 You know, I'm a veteran of several shutdowns that the 1994, 96 shutdown and then, of course,

00:38:24.920 the Tea Party shutdown.

00:38:26.500 And and I still believe to this day that the good guys, if they'd stuck with it, would have

00:38:31.700 had a tremendously big impact.

00:38:33.960 He's going to stick with it.

00:38:35.720 And I think this is doing tremendous good and bad at the same time.

00:38:40.720 It tremendous good is it's showing us we don't really need it.

00:38:44.320 Right.

00:38:44.680 We don't need it.

00:38:45.240 We don't need oh, wow, you can't go to work.

00:38:48.040 Good.

00:38:48.980 You know what I mean?

00:38:49.540 With an exception of a few things, nothing's really unraveling.

00:38:54.640 Right.

00:38:55.020 Except for the media and the political elite.

00:38:58.880 You know, again, there are certain exceptions to this.

00:39:02.000 It's good in that way because it's teaching Americans, you know, they're not as important 1.00

00:39:06.960 in your life as you as they try to make you believe they are.

00:39:10.000 The second thing is.

00:39:13.040 It could get to the point to where it discredits government so much that you have more of this

00:39:20.820 attitude of it's all bad.

00:39:22.800 Right.

00:39:23.660 You know what I mean?

00:39:24.400 I think I think both things are happening.

00:39:26.460 And, you know, it I didn't actually know until the other day that there's a guy in the government

00:39:31.500 who's been furloughed who approves beer labels.

00:39:34.400 Excuse me?

00:39:35.400 Beer labels.

00:39:36.060 And I'm like, why is the government doing that?

00:39:38.680 One of the things you could learn out of this process is that so many government functions

00:39:43.720 should have never been there in the first place.

00:39:45.800 What is this?

00:39:46.300 Wait.

00:39:46.920 Yeah, we've talked about this.

00:39:47.680 This is craft beers.

00:39:48.840 Oh, the craft beers guy.

00:39:49.940 Yeah.

00:39:50.380 OK, but why?

00:39:51.580 The alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

00:39:53.380 Right, Matt?

00:39:54.000 Right.

00:39:54.320 And I think this is the one thing people might revolt against the against the government

00:39:58.440 shutdown because they're not getting their new flavors of beer.

00:40:00.440 This is the tipping point.

00:40:00.740 Yeah, it really is.

00:40:01.960 I've thought about switching teams over this issue.

00:40:04.360 Go Kamala Harris.

00:40:08.360 Although I don't think she cares about my beer freedom either.

00:40:10.740 No, she doesn't.

00:40:11.840 Of course.

00:40:12.980 So, Matt, when you see things like Brexit and you see the European Union that does not

00:40:25.580 have a constitution, does not have a freedom understanding, and you see this undertow of

00:40:34.840 politicians just being bad, what does that tell you?

00:40:41.400 What's coming?

00:40:42.200 Well, it's the empire strikes back, and it's all of us learning across the globe that there

00:40:49.520 is this permanent bureaucracy.

00:40:52.100 It's a business.

00:40:52.800 Big government is a business, and they don't care about you.

00:40:55.960 They care about themselves.

00:40:57.880 And I'm not saying that as some sort of cynical, paranoid thing.

00:41:01.500 That's just, it's how it works.

00:41:03.200 People in government are just as self-interested as the rest of us, and if you give them all

00:41:06.460 that power, they're going to take care of themselves, not the rest of us, but it's, I happen to

00:41:12.380 be an optimist about this process because I think we're in the middle of learning what

00:41:17.340 government is really about, and because of technology, we see again and again and again

00:41:22.260 that they take care of themselves instead of doing the things that they said they were

00:41:25.960 going to do, but it's pretty scary, and you see this, it's more vivid in Europe than

00:41:30.740 it is in this country.

00:41:31.760 And you've talked about this all the time.

00:41:33.680 You see the neo-fascists, you see the neo-Marxists, and you could get this vacillation from radical

00:41:40.960 right-wing populism to radical left-wing populism because nobody trusts the process anymore.

00:41:46.620 But that's where we step in, and we got to fill that void with things that we should have

00:41:52.780 been doing more of.

00:41:54.120 And I know you did it every day, but during the Tea Party movement, we needed to spend more

00:41:59.520 time on educating.

00:42:01.900 You know, why is limiting executive power so important?

00:42:05.220 And why does it matter not just now, but 50 years from now?

00:42:08.800 And we need to sort of fill in those blanks for all of these new eyeballs, these new minds

00:42:15.000 that are trying to figure out how the world works.

00:42:16.740 You've been so good at that.

00:42:18.420 I mean, I watch your stuff on socialism and everything else.

00:42:20.580 You've been so good at teaching and teaching in a different way, teaching to an audience that

00:42:26.720 is not necessarily my audience, and yet we have so much in common.

00:42:33.440 But you're teaching the people who are like, wait a minute, none of this makes sense.

00:42:38.280 None of this works.

00:42:39.740 Nobody's teaching that at all.

00:42:41.820 And, you know, how is it that free people manage to solve problems without a TSA, without

00:42:50.180 someone approving our beer labels?

00:42:53.340 We live in this world where almost everything we do is free, and we sort of take it for granted

00:42:59.440 that things work when we're left alone to do that kind of stuff.

00:43:03.560 But, you know, we've been told that unless the government has a program, that's not going

00:43:08.400 to get done, but you've got to unveil some of those stories about people helping people

00:43:13.660 and solving problems.

00:43:14.900 And no one told them to do it, and there wasn't an appropriation.

00:43:18.160 There wasn't a regulation.

00:43:19.320 It's just what free people do.

00:43:21.600 You're seeing, you go over to the old former Eastern Bloc, just the fringe countries, Poland,

00:43:30.520 Hungary, et cetera, et cetera.

00:43:31.340 And they are starving and on fire.

00:43:34.360 I think that is the new American alliance.

00:43:39.760 Those countries are not going to go the way of Russia or Europe if it starts to go ugly.

00:43:46.860 Do you believe that?

00:43:48.260 I believe that, but there's a reason I spend time over there is because I want to make sure

00:43:52.500 that, you know, the solution is going to be freedom-based and not power-based.

00:43:59.100 Because the thing that's being offered to young people today, which they're rejecting

00:44:04.640 mostly, is, you know, everything's about power, and you can either be a Marxist or a Nazi.

00:44:11.640 And nobody wants to be a Nazi, so I got to be a Marxist?

00:44:15.640 That's a false choice.

00:44:16.740 It's an obscene choice, and weirdly, if you accept that left-right thing, which I don't

00:44:23.360 really do, in the middle are all the people that are like, I just want to be left alone,

00:44:27.440 and I want an opportunity to work and create value.

00:44:30.840 And I don't want people starving to death.

00:44:32.580 I want to be just a decent person, and can't we just be left alone?

00:44:36.160 Yeah.

00:44:36.480 But that's not what's happening.

00:44:38.100 Let me talk, I'm going to take a quick break, and let me talk to you about the new

00:44:41.160 water, proposed water tax, drinking water tax in California.

00:44:46.740 How extreme Cuomo is getting on his refusal to sign the budget, unless you have access

00:44:55.440 to abortion, even in the last hour of your pregnancy, and how the left is going more and

00:45:03.160 more extreme, and I think eating itself.

00:45:06.860 But this is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:45:16.740 I absolutely hate the fact that I'm going to do this interview, or that I have to do

00:45:38.320 this interview, that I think this interview is important.

00:45:40.840 Laura Wilkerson is, she's a wife and a mom. 0.99

00:45:58.200 She and her husband owned a plumbing shop, it's a suburb of Houston, Perlin, Texas.

00:46:06.400 And her son, her youngest son, 18 at the time, was brutally murdered, tortured to death by

00:46:22.720 an illegal.

00:46:25.680 And we have her on the phone to talk about the border wall.

00:46:30.980 Laura, how are you?

00:46:33.520 I'm good, thank you.

00:46:34.520 Thank you for having me.

00:46:36.620 I do not want to put you in, I can't imagine what your life is like, and having to talk about

00:46:44.200 this all the time.

00:46:46.460 So I'm going to, you tell the story in any way that you feel comfortable telling the story.

00:46:52.640 Certainly.

00:46:55.640 We did, we have three children, and Josh was our youngest son, and he was 18, a senior

00:46:59.960 in high school.

00:47:01.360 And we sent him to school one day, and apparently during that day, a classmate asked for a ride

00:47:05.980 home from Josh, and Josh said yes and gave it to him.

00:47:10.040 And Josh never came home that day, and so I knew immediately something was wrong.

00:47:14.300 I guess it's mother's instinct, or, you know, Josh was always that kid of mine that I always

00:47:18.420 knew where he was.

00:47:19.260 And so anyway, I went looking around town for him, and I did not find him.

00:47:25.280 I went by the police station to make sure there wasn't any, you know, accidents or something,

00:47:28.460 and went by school to make sure he was there.

00:47:31.200 At any point, I found a, I was coming home to start really, you know, trying to see what

00:47:36.520 I could do, and I looked over and saw his truck sitting in the back by a dumpster, kind

00:47:41.360 of behind a strip center.

00:47:42.420 And I went over there and looked at it, and I could tell something was wrong with it.

00:47:45.800 So I called my husband, called police, and they came down, and shortly after that, they

00:47:51.100 opened the dumpster and asked me to come over and, you know, see if these were Joshua's

00:47:55.400 things.

00:47:55.920 And they were.

00:47:56.560 It was his shoes and his backpack and all the stuff that had come out of, you know,

00:48:00.280 his truck.

00:48:00.820 And so we stood there in that parking lot for hours, you know, I was wondering if Josh

00:48:05.960 was in there.

00:48:06.820 And finally, they sent us home, and they took his truck as, you know, as evidence and made

00:48:13.200 it a crime scene and then sent us home to wait.

00:48:15.940 And that morning, about three in the morning, they came back and said they had a suspect in

00:48:20.440 custody and that they wanted us, we're going to look for him all the next day.

00:48:23.840 So we spent the next day, a whole day looking for him.

00:48:25.940 And finally, he gave up where he had put Joshua's body and told where it was.

00:48:32.260 And so they found him.

00:48:35.120 He was brought here from Belize by his parents when he was 10.

00:48:40.900 And we found out at trial that, you know, he just overstayed, I guess, his visa.

00:48:46.200 But when we finally, two years to bring him to trial, first he was incompetent, so we had

00:48:49.660 to send him away and force medicine on him.

00:48:51.500 And then we brought him back, jury trial, he's competent.

00:48:55.420 And then we went straight to the criminal trial.

00:48:57.380 And at that point, the killer got on the stand and told us exactly how he murdered Josh.

00:49:02.660 And he said, you know, I first kneed him so hard in the stomach, and when he did it, it

00:49:07.700 sliced Joshua's spleen. 0.51

00:49:09.480 And next, he took a closet rod and beat him in the head with it until the rod broke in four 0.96

00:49:14.960 pieces.

00:49:15.300 And he told us that Josh kept trying to get up off the ground, and he didn't want him

00:49:22.220 to.

00:49:22.620 So he strangled him, and he said, you know, bloody bubbles were coming out of his nose.

00:49:28.160 And, you know, as a mother, you sit there and you hear that, and you think, you know,

00:49:31.000 he's struggling to breathe and grasping.

00:49:33.100 And then he strangled him over and over until death.

00:49:39.620 And then he tied him up with 13 loops of rope around his neck and to his hands and feet

00:49:47.740 bound behind his back.

00:49:48.960 And he put him in our truck, and he drove around town and bought $2 worth of gasoline.

00:49:55.640 And then he set him in a field, and he put his ID and wallet, you know, eight or 10 feet

00:50:02.080 away from the body, I guess, wanting someone to know who he was.

00:50:05.240 And then he set him on fire after death.

00:50:08.600 So I'm sorry, Laura.

00:50:23.480 I can't imagine.

00:50:26.660 I just, my daughter went into the hospital.

00:50:31.420 I have one daughter today in the hospital for looking at brain surgery, and I have another

00:50:36.960 daughter who was in the hospital for something else this weekend.

00:50:41.640 And I can't imagine losing my children, natural causes.

00:50:48.320 Yes.

00:50:49.300 I just, I don't know how you, I don't know how you deal with it.

00:50:57.200 Now, you lived in Houston for a while, and this was a guy, he was kind of a dreamer, wasn't

00:51:05.760 he?

00:51:05.980 I mean, he would have fallen under the DREAM Act?

00:51:09.440 I believe so.

00:51:10.480 Yeah, he fit that dream kid description because he was brought here, I think, under the age

00:51:14.080 of 16 is what I'm thinking it was.

00:51:17.440 And then just, you know, he was brought here young and overstayed, I guess, what, maybe

00:51:21.840 he had six months of visa.

00:51:22.940 You know, it's hard to find out, for me to find out anything about him.

00:51:26.740 Whereas if you're an American citizen, about 10 minutes, you're going to know everything 0.83

00:51:29.540 about, you know, you or I.

00:51:30.840 That's another part of the problem, you know.

00:51:34.580 But that's as far as I know.

00:51:36.060 Yes, he was brought here by his parents when he was 10 and then overstayed.

00:51:40.040 And, you know, when the police first went to his parents' home and said, you know, your

00:51:48.440 son has killed, you know, this boy.

00:51:50.900 And his father said, well, I have a ticket to Belize that I've had for three weeks and

00:51:54.920 I'm using it.

00:51:56.060 You know, he did not end up using that.

00:51:59.400 But that was, you know, it wasn't about, you know, what, what kid, what are you talking

00:52:03.180 about?

00:52:03.480 How could my kid ever, you know, it was none of that.

00:52:05.420 It was, I have a ticket that I've had for three weeks and I'm going, I'm going to use

00:52:10.000 it.

00:52:11.220 For his son or for him?

00:52:13.940 For him.

00:52:14.760 Oh my gosh.

00:52:15.500 For him.

00:52:15.980 And he just didn't.

00:52:16.880 So that was his response.

00:52:17.800 Oh my gosh.

00:52:18.800 What are you talking about?

00:52:19.680 My kid killed somebody.

00:52:20.660 You know what?

00:52:21.180 It's just a response that I thought said everything it needed to say about, about him, you know,

00:52:27.540 his parents even.

00:52:28.940 So Laura, don't talk to the politicians. 1.00

00:52:32.000 I don't care about the politicians and, and, and, um, just talk to a mom or a dad right now.

00:52:41.220 I, I assume that you don't hate all immigrants and you don't hate, uh, you know, Hispanics or

00:52:48.760 anything else.

00:52:49.540 Um, um, talk to a parent on why the conversation that we're having right now is so important.

00:52:59.420 And I mean, as a country and why a, a border fence, a border wall is imperative.

00:53:09.520 Yes, it is imperative.

00:53:11.380 You know, you, and I can't explain really, there's not, not words to even explain to you

00:53:17.320 the depth of the pain when something like this happens, when you lose a child in any, anything,

00:53:23.080 but then you add the trauma and the violence and the knowledge that he shouldn't have been

00:53:28.800 in this country in the first place.

00:53:30.280 And you're absolutely, you die that day.

00:53:34.380 You know, I died that day to who I was and you have to, it was as down too much as learning

00:53:39.620 to breathe again and crawl again and walk again and stand up again.

00:53:43.520 And it's, it's, it's a rebuilding of our lives that will take forever, um, to do.

00:53:50.480 And the pain, it's just, it's just the soul pain that it goes so deep.

00:53:54.460 You can't hardly even describe it.

00:53:56.860 Um, and, and we've got to have, you know, it's imperative to have the border because

00:54:04.020 we have a right as American citizens to know who's in this country with us.

00:54:07.680 And, and, and he didn't, he, did he come across the border illegally?

00:54:11.400 Did he, did he make that trek across the border?

00:54:16.160 Do you even know?

00:54:17.540 If I'm not mistaken, his parents had a six month visa for him.

00:54:21.100 Okay.

00:54:21.360 And they, and it overstated.

00:54:22.980 Right.

00:54:23.240 So it's, it's, it's not.

00:54:25.060 And, and this is, I think really important to point out, this isn't just about a border

00:54:30.520 wall or a border fence.

00:54:32.100 This is about fixing this problem, knowing who is here.

00:54:37.360 We've known that people are overstaying their visa since nine 11.

00:54:40.600 That was the biggest problem.

00:54:41.700 We haven't fixed that.

00:54:42.780 Even doesn't seem like anybody cares about, and I don't mean to, cause you know, this isn't

00:54:50.200 true, but it feels like no one cares about people like you.

00:54:55.060 Oh, absolutely.

00:54:56.300 You know, and I, and I do know it's not true.

00:54:58.020 I mean, that's the only way I've made it through is that, you know, God has assured me that,

00:55:01.980 you know, of where Joshua is today and, and that he will get me through this.

00:55:07.340 And, and that's the, that's the, you know, the security that I have, but you're right.

00:55:12.480 We have a right to know.

00:55:13.520 I mean, I can't fly to Austin from Houston to Austin without a driver's license that, you

00:55:17.520 know, what it took to get that and what you have to maintain.

00:55:19.940 You know, you don't have, you can't have a thousand tickets and have a driver's license

00:55:23.320 and, you know, you work to just follow the law.

00:55:26.060 That's what you do as an American citizen.

00:55:27.320 You do it or you don't get the privileges to drive, to fly to, you know, those things.

00:55:31.940 And I just don't understand why they would want to give it away in even leniency on those

00:55:37.800 things to people that have already committed the crime of coming in this country or overstaying

00:55:42.040 a visa.

00:55:42.420 Have you, have you talked to president Trump?

00:55:48.700 I have.

00:55:49.980 Yes.

00:55:50.580 I've talked to him on.

00:55:51.560 Have you, have you talked to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer?

00:55:55.320 Have they ever talked to you?

00:55:57.340 I was able to tell my story to Nancy Pelosi once.

00:56:00.680 In Congress, but in a hearing?

00:56:03.640 No, it was a town hall and I happened to be in the audience.

00:56:06.480 And her response to me was that she was sorry and that thanks for channeling my energy,

00:56:13.540 but that everyone in her sanctuary city was a law abiding citizen.

00:56:16.760 That was her answer to me.

00:56:18.660 But no, they don't want, they know, they know.

00:56:23.480 I mean, they absolutely know what's happened and what's happening, but they just don't want

00:56:28.820 you to think they know, you know, they want to seem oblivious to it.

00:56:32.340 But everybody knows, I mean, so many more people have died than in 9-11, you know, from

00:56:39.820 illegals in this country, that it's, it's mind-boggling that that's so easily forgotten

00:56:46.560 how just a couple, you know, nine of them that got in and stayed a while and, you know,

00:56:51.100 hated America.

00:56:51.880 I, I, I, I tell you, I mean, I don't have anything like this in my life, but I have done

00:57:04.560 enough homework and, and I scream at the television and people on both sides.

00:57:09.620 And I can't imagine it being as personal as it is for you and, and how you just don't

00:57:17.700 understand when this is all just common sense.

00:57:20.240 All of this is common sense.

00:57:21.880 It's absolutely common sense.

00:57:24.060 I just think, you know, you can't hardly get it across what it does to American families.

00:57:28.640 You know, um, they're broken in so many ways, you know, of our own making divorce and stuff

00:57:33.840 and this right here just devastates a family.

00:57:35.600 You're, you know, you're, it's absolutely the most devastating thing that I could ever

00:57:39.600 imagine and being, you know, able to live.

00:57:42.400 If there's anything, this greater pain, you know, I don't think I'd live through it.

00:57:47.220 I can't imagine what's worse.

00:57:49.800 How's George, your husband?

00:57:52.040 He's doing well.

00:57:53.200 You know, we're all learning to put life back together.

00:57:55.740 And that comes with a lot of aggravation and overwhelmed and you can't really do the job

00:58:01.500 that you used to do.

00:58:02.600 And, you know, it's, it's just a mix of all of it.

00:58:05.580 And, uh, you never know what you're going to get when you wake up.

00:58:08.020 If it's going to be kind of an angry day or a sad day and you just have to learn to live

00:58:15.500 it.

00:58:15.720 I, uh, I'm going to get yelled at by my producers who are always telling me I'm out of time,

00:58:20.600 but, um, can I just take a minute with you and just ask you this?

00:58:24.440 Tell me who your son was.

00:58:25.640 Josh was just a really, really quiet, good kid.

00:58:30.460 He'd never been in trouble.

00:58:32.240 You know, he was learning what he wanted to do to life.

00:58:34.800 He thought he might go in the air force like his brother.

00:58:36.740 And he just was a good kid.

00:58:39.040 He was very compassionate.

00:58:40.640 You know, he died doing exactly what we taught him to do.

00:58:43.540 We, I would never have told him not to, to give somebody a ride home.

00:58:46.800 You know, he, he was the most compassionate, quiet kid, but he, he really had a close relationship

00:58:53.380 with, with Jesus.

00:58:54.500 You know, sometimes he would say things to me and I would just go, you know, I knew that

00:58:58.200 came from, from Jesus to him and, and not from me.

00:59:01.180 And he really, really was just a good kid.

00:59:03.960 Uh, he, you know, very quiet.

00:59:05.260 I think that's why people in this community were just so alarmed about it because he,

00:59:09.540 he didn't have an enemy that I can think of.

00:59:12.140 Um, he just didn't.

00:59:13.940 Laura, thank you.

00:59:15.340 Sorry to put you through that.

00:59:16.900 Thank you.

00:59:17.420 Oh, thank you.

00:59:18.320 God bless.

00:59:19.380 Laura Wilkerson, uh, an angel mom.

00:59:22.520 And, uh, you can visit the website enforce the law.org.

00:59:27.620 You want to know why we, the government is closed because it's time we listened to people

00:59:32.740 like that.

00:59:34.060 The blaze radio network on demand.

The Glenn Beck Program - January 16, 2019

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