The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Daniel Horowitz & Capt. Casey Murray ｜ 10⧸12⧸21

00:00:00.000 hey big program for you today we we go from loudon county all the way to the skies with

00:00:05.900 william shatner and the southwest airline pilot association president captain casey murray he

00:00:13.440 it was a little confusing at times they are against the vaccine mandate but southwest just

00:00:20.760 won't answer any questions about that mandate and uh and that's that's all they want just give us

00:00:28.680 some answers are we going to get fired if we don't take the vaccine if we take it and we get sick

00:00:35.140 because of it are you paying for it so it's an interesting uh a really interesting conversation

00:00:41.820 also uh a kind of a lead-in tonight's television show at 9 p.m are we ready for a national divorce

00:00:50.140 that was our number two of this podcast and tonight we really look into it at 9 p.m only on blaze tv

00:00:57.660 right after a brand new stew does america wow

00:01:05.540 you're listening to the best of the blend back program

00:01:16.360 daniel horowitz is here uh he's uh from the podcast conservative review which you should listen

00:01:26.480 to uh and subscribe and uh rate with five stars i think is the appropriate five stars is the

00:01:33.260 appropriate number of stars yes okay all right uh daniel welcome well it's great to be with you and i'll

00:01:40.240 take five stars any day okay so uh daniel do we need a national divorce what would that look like 1.00

00:01:48.380 or do we just need braver americans do we need braver i don't know constitutional americans

00:01:57.000 well you know glenn think about this how do you bridge the divide between people who think a man is a

00:02:05.300 woman a woman's a man a criminal's a victim a victim's a criminal if you don't wear a mask you're

00:02:10.240 a murderer but i'll let murderers out of prison at the same time using that very virus as the pretext

00:02:15.920 um you don't have the right to have free unrestricted movement unless you do as we say with your body

00:02:21.080 but if you crash our border man you could go to all corners of the country anytime you want these are

00:02:27.240 not light and transient causes this is not a matter of one issue frankly king george never did this

00:02:33.620 king george never demanded we cover our mouths king george didn't have uh men in female bathrooms 1.00

00:02:39.560 i mean those those issues were really very economic it was over over taxes uh we have never had this

00:02:47.880 ever before um it used to be politics was 10 of our life and the other 90 you know we all have to eat

00:02:53.780 we all have to drink we kind of do the same things we like the same sports teams and we can live

00:02:58.680 together harmoniously now everything is political to the point of literally your life even before

00:03:06.720 liberty so we now have a scenario where they could force you to take experimental um therapies that you

00:03:15.880 know showed that they have a lot of problems but you don't even have the right to try a nobel prize

00:03:21.360 winning drug this is how divided it is so what i would argue is we already have a national divorce

00:03:29.460 except it's one-sided so for example you asked me to define what it looks like and i'll define what

00:03:36.520 it looks like literally a divorce which doesn't mean you part ways you have certain amicable uh

00:03:42.560 agreements when it comes to uh custody of the kids and certain assets and so we'll have the military

00:03:47.920 well social security it won't be perfectly two different countries but what i think we need to

00:03:52.360 do is make the red states that we allegedly already supposedly should have control over 0.95

00:03:57.500 exactly like the blue states are and when trump was president they didn't tolerate anything um even

00:04:05.440 something like immigration which is very much within the purview of the federal government

00:04:09.260 they harbored illegal alien sex offenders and they actually in new york criminalized

00:04:14.660 the enforcement and and a cooperation and transmitting any information to federal immigration

00:04:21.880 agents so my point is there is no reason we can't go in the red states where we have four to one

00:04:29.460 five to one majorities and some of them in the legislative bodies and say this is immoral illogical

00:04:35.040 illegal it's unconstitutional it is not happening here and frankly if we ever get the presidency back

00:04:41.700 that is what the blue states have already done and will do anyway yeah i i mean this is it goes back

00:04:47.380 down to state power i don't care what you do in california but you're not going to charge me for it

00:04:52.900 i'm not bailing you out uh i'm not living there um if that's what you want to do then that's fine but

00:04:59.740 don't bring it to my state um and i i don't know why we are not defending the constitution we're arguing

00:05:06.300 about all of these crazy things that are that that have nothing to do with the constitution and in

00:05:14.500 many ways are in violation of the constitution we should i mean how many i'd like to know really

00:05:20.960 honestly i i i really think we should begin conversations with people um like this can you

00:05:28.920 talk to me about the bill of rights is there anything in the bill of rights that you disagree with

00:05:32.480 if they say yeah i disagree with a lot of them you know who you're dealing with if they say no not

00:05:38.540 really maybe the second amendment okay all right well we can talk about the second amendment later

00:05:43.140 let's just start talking politics now and then and the and the policies as soon as they start talking

00:05:49.280 about the policies you say i thought you weren't i thought you weren't against the bill of rights

00:05:53.180 because i haven't moved they have they no longer believe in the bill of rights and you can't come

00:05:59.220 together if you don't believe in the most important foundational document in our country

00:06:06.440 and really the most important right as defined by blackstone is to walk in locomotion status quo

00:06:15.080 without government uh acting against your body affirmatively in any way um and and the left always

00:06:22.080 championed bodily autonomy in the courts really for a hundred almost a hundred years um that you have

00:06:27.480 the right to kill a baby you have the right to a positive benefit to to add to get access to

00:06:34.320 assisted uh physician assisted suicide all these cases we had and now suddenly you can't even have

00:06:41.020 don't tase me bro hey look you know you got your vaccine you got your mask you can do what you want

00:06:45.100 just don't force me to do it and now you have the aclu as the lead plaintiff in south carolina

00:06:49.920 not only not defending your right to breathe in school but actually defending your alleged right to

00:06:55.780 force the other guy not to breathe and and that's the point we don't shove things on them we're not

00:07:00.760 demanding everyone take you know 5 000 i use of vitamin d and and ivermectin prophylactically which

00:07:07.080 actually would probably uh stop the spread even more hey look we want to do it just allow us to do it

00:07:12.380 don't stop us from doing it you could do it but they they won't allow it so right now we don't have

00:07:17.940 a national divorce it's more like an abusive husband who has violated the social that that

00:07:23.380 compact and we just have to evacuate ourselves from it and again madison's design has given us

00:07:30.200 that um that design i don't want to hear about oh we'll win back congress or something with a narrow

00:07:36.280 rhino majority republicans have 19 states where they not only have the trifecta but they have it with

00:07:43.360 super majorities but here we have let me give an example there's a 16 year old girl we're all 1.00

00:07:48.840 talking about in wyoming who is handcuffed for not wearing a mask now glenn all i'm asking is that in

00:07:56.860 a state like wyoming where there's a 28 to 2 gop majority in the senate there's two democrats there

00:08:03.940 that we could abide by and live by the same degree of post-constitutional liberty that we had on

00:08:11.980 february 2020 is that too much to ask and yet we don't really have that the red states are a little

00:08:18.680 better i mean i know why is that so why is that why is that why is it that wyoming of all places

00:08:26.840 doesn't stand up well you know let me give you an example what we just dealt with in arkansas similar

00:08:33.500 dynamic we couldn't even get a compromise bill immediately passed to allow an opt-out for weekly

00:08:40.540 pcr testing that was new york's line in the sand a month ago so we can't even hold the line that new

00:08:47.240 york was pushing a month ago or two months ago and that's because you look at a small state like

00:08:52.160 arkansas overwhelmingly people voted for trump but at the end of the day it's not republican and

00:08:58.840 democrat conservative liberal right and left it's one oligarchy this corporate government monopoly

00:09:06.220 and you got tyson's you got jb hunt and you got walmart there and they get what they want and

00:09:11.720 the governor's bought out by them so you've got all these republicans they get money from big pharma

00:09:16.440 from the chamber of commerce they'll they'll joust very broadly on life and guns i'm pro-life i'm pro-gun

00:09:23.920 you know in a very broad way but when it comes to the issues that matter most to our lives when they

00:09:31.640 matter at the time they matter look carefully and you'll see both parties are awfully close to each

00:09:37.420 other you used a uh you used light and transient causes earlier um the the second line in the second

00:09:45.200 paragraph of the declaration of independence after the life liberty pursuit of happiness

00:09:48.720 says that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from

00:09:55.760 the consent of the governed that's no longer happening that when any form of government becomes

00:10:01.200 destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish and institute a new 0.86

00:10:08.600 government laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such a form as to

00:10:14.640 them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness prudence indeed will dictate that

00:10:20.340 governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes and accordingly

00:10:26.820 all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to write

00:10:35.020 themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed so it says here it explains human nature

00:10:42.840 that most of us are silent because it's still okay and i think that changes once the economy

00:10:50.880 really is hit i think once people start to realize wait a minute i i i'm losing my job i my money is

00:11:00.220 worthless and i think it's probably too late by that point well i mean this is why john adams always

00:11:07.460 said you have to nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud uh you know they got a bad rap at the time

00:11:13.260 the patriots because it really wasn't that bad uh you know a tiny little tax there what's the big deal

00:11:18.480 but they understood that if you wait until it is a big deal it's too late and and i think that's the

00:11:24.540 problem i'll never forget a couple years ago actually right before covid uh our mutual friend and

00:11:30.360 colleague steve dace and i did a show together and we talked about just retiring i said look i'm always

00:11:35.760 happier when i just tune it out go on vacation and it doesn't bother me but that was before march

00:11:41.420 2020 now you you you can't run away from it they control every aspect of our lives um and and and

00:11:49.380 our our health our our what we do with our bodies uh it's it's terrible the the emails i'm getting

00:11:55.400 from show listeners that they can't get proper treatment people that got vaccinated and they get

00:11:59.780 very sick and and we have to find all sorts of ways to get them treatment in a first world country 1.00

00:12:05.180 like america this is something that i think we can't live through and and glenn if if we're just going

00:12:10.740 to relegate those words of the declaration to to some sort of uh museum some mosaic of history

00:12:17.560 then they're just hollow they're meaningless and we're not asking for a civil war we want to avoid

00:12:22.820 that and i think uh a lot of people forget the the revolutionary war was catalyzed really by

00:12:28.660 the body closest to the people it was the state legislatures that formed those committees of

00:12:34.200 correspondence i think we need to make state legislatures great again and that will make red states

00:12:39.800 red again and you know we'll simply have red states that will behave the same way the blue states

00:12:44.680 behave and we'll have a degree of self-sorting and that will be healthier for everyone it will be

00:12:50.440 thank you so much appreciate it god bless um it's important that you listen to daniel horowitz he's

00:12:56.680 really really smart and and really buttoned up on these uh issues blaze podcast conservative review

00:13:03.860 get it wherever you get your podcast daniel horowitz this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:13:12.840 welcome to the glenn beck program uh coming up in just a few minutes we have the uh pilots

00:13:28.120 union leader uh from southwest airlines he's going to be joining me in studio here in about 25 minutes

00:13:35.040 let me play cut six uh for you this is nancy pelosi lecturing reporters yesterday

00:13:42.500 our latest cbs news poll shows that only about 10 percent of americans describe themselves as knowing

00:13:49.060 a lot of specific things that are in the reconciliation package and that the majority don't know

00:13:54.720 anything at all so do you think you need to do a better job at messaging and going forward how do

00:14:00.720 you sell this if ultimately you have to well i think you all could do a better job of selling it

00:14:05.140 to be very frank with you because every time i come here i go through the list family medical leave

00:14:10.280 climate the the issues that are in there and um but it is true it is hard to break through

00:14:16.480 when you have such a comprehensive package so difficult to break through when you control the

00:14:23.860 entire government and all of the media i know so hard to get your message i know it really is okay

00:14:28.680 so let me just let me go through a few things these are not failures these are intended and they are

00:14:37.520 intended to bring you to a reset the great reset remember when do you reset things when do you go

00:14:47.020 downstairs into the scary basement to look at the fuse box when everything is fine no when there's been

00:14:55.940 a disruption in power right something is blown in the house when do you push the reset button on your

00:15:04.560 computer when everything is fine or just a little glitchy or do you just like i said i don't want to

00:15:11.020 and you just keep going until it completely freezes up and you have no other option but to reset so the things

00:15:19.340 that this government quote is failing in are not failings they are to lead you to the great reset let's go

00:15:27.300 through some of them supply chain one more example of biden failing at basic governing this is from breitbart

00:15:34.420 that's the headline it's not a failure of him governing this is intentional southwest pilots warn fatigue frustration

00:15:43.580 could fuel further outages well i'll hear from the pilots union uh here in just a few minutes but does

00:15:50.880 anybody actually believe that the mandate plays no role in that cnn says americans won't be able to go

00:16:00.540 back to shopping like in the before times oh okay the u.s health care force is short half a million workers

00:16:12.080 now a main hospital just closed its nicu because of staffing shortages due to vaccine mandate

00:16:20.740 do you see what these all have in common so far u.s cities are having to boost bus budgets for cops after

00:16:28.140 defund the police initiatives result in more crime walgreens closes five more san francisco locations

00:16:36.640 due to theft this is happening in big cities where they have said we're not going to prosecute

00:16:42.460 anybody for shoplifting you're shoplifting under a thousand dollars so people are just going in and

00:16:47.660 they're just wiping these stores clean because police can't do anything about it

00:16:52.680 chicago suffering from officer shortage they can't find the recruits

00:17:02.400 believe they need what is it a hundred and there's 877 vacancies

00:17:10.260 i think they need about 1600 officers and they can't figure out why officers don't want to work in

00:17:18.060 in chicago over the weekend try this one on for size california moved one step closer to ending

00:17:27.160 reliance on fossil fuels what they did is they banned all um uh all off-road gasoline engines so you know

00:17:40.360 if you have a leaf blower if your lawn service is cutting the lawn using a lawn mower can't be gasoline

00:17:47.520 has to be electric this will bankrupt so many small businesses 50 000 businesses are going to be

00:17:54.920 affected by this and it's only a matter of time before everyone has to do this

00:17:59.800 saki said yesterday and i quote the president wants to use the pandemic to make fundamental changes

00:18:08.880 in our economy is that what you voted for did you vote for a fundamental change in our economy

00:18:20.680 he feels coming out of the pandemic it is exactly the time to make fundamental change in our economy

00:18:30.520 that's not what i voted for you want to know what's in that package all kinds of stuff that goes against

00:18:39.160 the constitution janet yellen said the 600 is irs reporting requirement is necessary because there's

00:18:49.820 a lot of tax fraud and cheating that's going on really is there do you know how much it costs to

00:18:58.120 fill my truck now at the gas station a hundred dollars a hundred dollars to fill my truck

00:19:04.460 uh i can do that easily easily in a month six times if i'm driving the truck a lot at least four

00:19:17.140 so i pay my gas card it's a 600 transaction the federal government the irs needs that that's the

00:19:29.680 most ridiculous thing i've ever seen so you now you're going after you know the post office worker 0.67

00:19:37.080 the teacher the people who are the heroes in our society you're going after the people that have 50

00:19:46.760 to 60 000 how much are you spending on food every month if you have a large family can you spend

00:19:55.400 600 at the grocery store wow so now you need to be spied upon by the irs because your transactions

00:20:11.320 are suspicious we cannot allow these things to happen this infrastructure bill cannot pass

00:20:22.680 because it is infrastructure it is infrastructure so when they power everything down because everything

00:20:31.780 is gridlock and you are out in the streets going there's no food that i can afford at the grocery

00:20:38.380 store my shelves are empty the ports are backed up they're not working i can't hire anybody to do the job

00:20:49.900 there's crime all over the city my my school board is completely out of control and the fbi is now

00:21:00.460 interviewing all of the parents that were there at the school board meeting i can't afford gas anymore

00:21:07.820 i can't afford a new car they're not even making the new cars anymore my oil or my gas bill to heat my house

00:21:16.800 is two and a half times what it was before the election it's already double what it was we're not

00:21:25.640 even in the winter yet when all of that happens when the court system doesn't work when the police

00:21:33.220 can't work when crime is out of control when you can't afford your um your uh your groceries when you

00:21:43.040 can't afford your house when the banks are just making all kinds of money when all of these things are

00:21:51.540 happening this is not a failing of the progressives this is by design for the great reset

00:22:00.240 this is why we have to this is why we have to speak out

00:22:10.780 this is why the tonight's tv show is so important because the answer really is local local local

00:22:20.060 when the fbi said that they were going to uh look into terrorists do you know why they did that right

00:22:29.480 they did that to scare you off well loudon county wasn't scared off last night they had a huge school

00:22:36.840 board meeting they were even more vocal than they have been we need to be at our school board meetings

00:22:44.760 even if you live in a good town where your school board is on your side you need to be there

00:22:53.080 because the school board association is watching and we must send them a message you don't scare me

00:23:02.900 these are my children

00:23:06.460 these people will do anything anything to win they don't play by the rules

00:23:19.620 the only thing that frightens them is you waking up and standing up read barack obama's book

00:23:30.520 you know jonah goldberg tweeted me the other day and he said when i said i think they've just started

00:23:36.680 another tea party and he said oh like the first one was so effective did you read barack obama's book

00:23:43.060 it was according to barack obama it was it slowed him down there's still lessons to learn though of how

00:23:53.740 if we're going to do something else like that it needs to be done and and hopefully have longer legs

00:23:58.580 than this one we've complained about that several times and it had we are smarter we know that it's

00:24:03.440 going to be taken over by uh by hook and by crooks in the republican party and we have to have

00:24:10.960 certain principles it's really easy now to align on principles it's very easy it's very easy

00:24:17.520 you know do you believe the um the school board you should be allowed to go in and question the

00:24:25.080 school board peacefully first amendment do you believe that everybody has a right to speak

00:24:31.780 their mind out in open and disagree with with you know fauci or anybody else first amendment do you

00:24:39.180 believe that people who disagree with us have a right to publish and to be seen and be heard or

00:24:46.840 should they be canceled first amendment do you believe i have a right to protect myself especially

00:24:53.060 when the government is firing all the cops and they they're saying places like austin texas

00:24:58.880 unless somebody has you you know in a chokehold with a gun don't call us we can't come somebody's

00:25:05.840 breaking into your house oh well we can't help you damn right i have a right to own a gun damn right 0.54

00:25:12.840 do you believe that the the the irs should be into my bank watching every transaction of six hundred

00:25:22.480 dollars or more no that's a violation of the fourth amendment everything is about the bill of rights

00:25:28.440 you just need to start asking people do you believe in the bill of rights let's go through them

00:25:33.380 do you believe in the bill of rights if you do i'm with you if you don't i can't talk to you

00:25:38.500 because there's the gulf is too far you have moved i haven't you have sorry bill of rights they are

00:25:47.580 universal they are the thing that we all agreed on if you can't agree with me on the bill of rights

00:25:53.940 then i'm not the enemy of america no matter what you say i'm not the terrorist you are you are

00:26:02.520 you're the revolutionary not me the best of the glenn beck program

00:26:08.900 the first round of flight cancellations on saturday at southwest airlines came the day after

00:26:18.540 the southwest airline pilot association filed a request in federal court to block a covet 19 vaccine

00:26:25.280 mandate so you know and we'll get this information here in a second um it doesn't appear that the

00:26:32.360 union is against the mandate they just want it to happen after they've negotiated their contract

00:26:38.160 uh yesterday the ceo gary kelly told n uh cnbc i've never been in favor of corporate in favor

00:26:45.700 of corporations imposing that kind of a mandate however they're complying with biden's vaccine mandate

00:26:51.660 even though there isn't one yet the objective here obviously is to improve health and safety and

00:26:57.320 not for people to lose their jobs uh 2200 flights were canceled over the weekend and to talk to us

00:27:07.280 about this uh is captain casey murray who is the head of the uh pilots association the pilots union

00:27:14.300 how are you sir i'm doing well thanks for having me glenn thank you for coming in i appreciate it yes i

00:27:18.960 was shocked when you guys said yes to our invitation yeah well uh we're out there you know we're trying to

00:27:25.060 get the word out trying to clear up some misconceptions and um and i'm proud of our

00:27:29.440 pilots so i want to speak for them okay so tell me what is happening what's happening now well since

00:27:35.940 you um brought up uh the the tro that we filed we filed that on friday we also have a status quo

00:27:43.140 lawsuit that we've been forced to file uh we've amended that to sort of add on this aspect as well

00:27:49.720 to show continuing status quo violations while we are negotiating our contract what does it mean

00:27:54.280 status quo violations well the rla railway labor act that we work under um and and are contracted under

00:28:01.860 uh requires the company while we're in negotiations can't make unilateral changes uh while we're

00:28:07.980 negotiating okay and we've seen numerous numerous instances we've tried to work with them it is kind of

00:28:14.640 the hallmark of what swappa and southwest do but we've seen that kind of fail uh over the past year

00:28:20.060 or so because of covid you're they are just wholesale changing some really important things that you don't

00:28:27.840 you haven't ever negotiated and if i'm reading this right you're saying hey look we've we've done a lot

00:28:34.300 here enough is enough correct um and and all we've been asking for and this is specifically what the

00:28:40.180 tro is is about is is hey we need to sit down and have discussions around this um our peers delta

00:28:48.660 american united um fedex ups they all have had agreements in place for six and and at times 10

00:28:55.860 months um that addressed a lot of our concerns so and and your concerns are well pilots um one of the

00:29:04.720 main concerns is pilots um are required to carry a medical certificate every six months we go in

00:29:11.040 have a full battery of tests and and and and every six months i mean there's a risk that you could lose

00:29:16.920 your career so with our pilot's license we also have a medical certificate so um a lot of our pilots

00:29:23.800 and our peers pilots um want to want to know and have answered how's the company going to handle uh any

00:29:29.920 sort of either long-term issues that come from the vaccines um because that is still yet to be

00:29:36.580 determined um and then you know negative negative okay um and then you know even shorter term what's

00:29:44.360 going to happen when um if i have a reaction and have to call in sick is that coming out of my sick

00:29:49.400 bank and and so now it's being required mandated and and we need these questions answered and our peers

00:29:55.860 have done it and we see vaccination rates from 90 percent and higher and then you look at united

00:30:01.560 um 99.9 percent of their pilots are vaccinated um we don't know and and the company hasn't shared

00:30:09.100 with us what our vaccination rate is it is it is much lower than that and i would i would venture to

00:30:14.700 say probably half that and a lot of it has to do with our pilots you know trepidation with not having

00:30:20.960 a lot of these questions answered and that's all we're trying to do is get them to the table

00:30:24.760 i mean um apa at american their pilots union has over 11 different um mous memorandums of understanding

00:30:34.840 addressing these things and we see what it do what it does to the vaccination rates

00:30:39.760 so when i see pictures of pilots uh because they're going there's lots of them do we have any of them

00:30:48.140 here um here's one a don't tread on me flag hanging out of the window of a southwest jet

00:30:54.740 uh out of the pilots window um show um do you have the okay there's there's all kinds of pictures of

00:31:02.520 of southwest pilots um out online as well and that seems to be anti-vaccine yes do you have any idea

00:31:13.400 how many of your pilots are going to probably end up getting fired um i would say that uh until a lot

00:31:21.280 of these questions gets answered um we really don't know um it it's kind of a two-fold sort of issue

00:31:28.660 um there are those that feel very strongly that the government mandate crosses and steps on the

00:31:37.180 constitution and um and and i respect that um there's a lot of very personal decisions but the flip side

00:31:45.880 is um they also don't want to go into being mandated for a vaccine where their questions as to

00:31:54.520 where their career and and where their families stand and and their family's well-being moving

00:31:59.420 forward um they have to be able to make decisions um using um some concrete data um and and and we're

00:32:08.000 still waiting on that from our company and by data i mean having some of these questions answered

00:32:11.880 so what is you're just because i don't think i heard that uh yesterday from the ceo did you still

00:32:21.340 i don't think i heard him address um these concerns it's very clear just and i brought this up twice

00:32:30.220 already it's look at our peers look at where our peers vaccination rates are look at what they have

00:32:35.460 done proactively to address this we have done nothing southwest we have tried

00:32:41.120 um for six months to force them to sit down and have discussions about this we even went so far

00:32:47.260 as forcing a letter of agreement during negotiations across the table because they weren't interested in

00:32:55.080 having the discussions they have it it's in their hands we still have not sat down um and had real

00:33:00.840 discussions we did have a meeting on monday uh that was really i would say forced by the tro even 0.82

00:33:06.960 though it hasn't been ruled on yet but i mean i think southwest felt okay we have to do something

00:33:10.500 and we presented them with dozens of questions and we're still waiting answers we're a week and a

00:33:15.820 half past past when when the the federal contractor mandate came out and and we're rapidly approaching

00:33:23.800 a deadline so well it's still it's still just a vocal there is no written policy it's not law

00:33:32.640 it's not even executive order absolutely yes um so but when your company tells you you will or you will

00:33:40.500 be terminated correct there is a a conscious feeling of of a threat so many people don't have a union

00:33:48.620 uh and a lot of a lot of people i am i'm glad i'm not in a union i think unions are really important

00:33:56.520 um when companies get out of control and uh in the same way i think when unions get out of control

00:34:05.820 they're just as bad as the out of control uh company um but this i'm i mean i i'm wondering

00:34:13.320 if a union if you're working as a pilot and you don't want the vaccine and you're going to get fired

00:34:20.900 for it are you going to defend those guys absolutely absolutely um we we have to and and we will we will

00:34:30.720 defend them if that's what it comes to but it is our job in representing them to provide them with as

00:34:36.720 much information and force the company uh to come and and get these questions answered so what would

00:34:43.220 that mean if you after you get the questions and because you guys aren't is is the union against

00:34:50.440 the mandate we are against the mandate you are against it not even with more information

00:34:56.960 you're against we're against the mandate it it our whole thing is it is a pilot's choice it is a pilot's

00:35:03.100 family choice it's a very personal decision that has to be made and so uh we believe that but that by

00:35:11.860 providing these answers and the company providing these answers i mean there are so many things

00:35:17.880 even outside of the medical i mean we still haven't had questions as to uh who's making the decisions on

00:35:24.340 these um on these exemptions so medical religious we don't have answers to that how's how's the

00:35:29.740 information going to be protected uh in the hipaa environment at the company we haven't had answers

00:35:34.800 to those is there an alternative means of compliance like the original mandate that that that biden

00:35:41.320 put out even before this contractor issue um there was an alternative means of compliance

00:35:46.980 how is that right the other yes it was yes testing testing yes um how is um what about natural

00:35:54.360 immunity we we have we have pilots right now that have covid and those pilots now say they recover this

00:36:04.120 week they they still can't get the shot for 90 days well that's outside the window how is that going

00:36:09.380 to be handled so so many questions that we don't have answers to and our pilots don't have answers

00:36:14.820 to and our pilots can't make decisions our pilots use data our pilots look at look at all available

00:36:20.360 information and and then make the decision and again i point back to our peers our peers address this

00:36:26.380 proactively and look at where they're at so um what is what is um governor abbott's uh ruling or his

00:36:36.900 executive order here in texas where no company has to follow that well that's part of the issue as

00:36:43.920 well for us not having the ability to sit down and have these discussions with our company

00:36:48.340 our legal team is is looking at that and then in the midst of of looking and seeing how that is going

00:36:55.320 to affect our pilots uh gary kelly comes out yesterday and says that he's not going to abide by that

00:37:00.340 that he's going to abide by by biden's mandate which doesn't exist uh but the governor's does

00:37:07.620 yes yes i know they did send something over to osha supposedly over the the past 24 hours or so

00:37:14.400 but certainly nothing's official yet it does seem like it's a something to intimidate these companies

00:37:19.800 to just go along with it before there's even a rule written down yes there's a lot of the i think

00:37:25.480 there's a lot of people that uh uh are hoping somebody takes a stand because the little guy

00:37:33.120 is taking a stand and getting squashed and the government is just telling them what they can and

00:37:39.060 can't do and they are i mean i think there was a lot of hope at least there was with me when i saw you

00:37:45.260 guys you know uh have your difficulties this weekend i was hoping that it was the pilots stepping out and

00:37:53.260 saying no we're not going to do it we're reasonable people you know uh as you said many have already

00:37:59.900 had covid i've had covid i had a bad bout of covid i believe in my antibodies i don't know why this is

00:38:07.040 the exception to something that we know about the human body um and i have no problem with the vaccine

00:38:14.020 but i know i don't really give a flying crap what the federal government says this is unconstitutional 0.74

00:38:20.600 and there i think there's a lot of people hoping that you were you were uh standing up for that or

00:38:28.140 at least a few pilots were standing up for that i mean and i was very clear i think earlier when i

00:38:32.360 answered that question we are against the mandate we are not anti-vaccine but but our pilots are in a

00:38:38.640 unique position um unlike the rest of the population we have to maintain a medical and there's a lot of

00:38:44.700 unanswered questions and a lot of those questions can and a lot of those fears can be allayed by

00:38:50.080 by how is our insurance going to be handled and and we carry a loss of license insurance as well as an

00:38:56.320 ltd and std so the long uh long-term disability and short-term disability we also carry loss of license

00:39:02.680 specifically for our medical so if we lose our medical we have some at least income insurance um when

00:39:10.140 we can no longer fly we're with the president of southwest airlines pilots association his name

00:39:14.680 is captain casey murray and we're talking about the southwest airlines vaccine mandates and the

00:39:20.220 trouble that they had over the weekend so you mentioned the the medical uh certification you

00:39:25.940 need to have every six months yes so they're requiring you to upkeep some level what does that

00:39:31.580 mean exactly what's on it it's an faa requirement so uh um uh we have certain classes of medicals

00:39:38.940 our pilots have to maintain a first or second class whether you're a captain or first officer

00:39:43.240 and and so um it's um you know any type of heart issue any type of high blood pressure uh depression

00:39:50.940 um diabetes i mean any of those things can can can kill your career and um so so would they argue

00:39:58.160 though that you every six months you have to do this anyway why is covid19 we're in the middle of a

00:40:03.640 pandemic why wouldn't you have to maintain uh the vaccination status well i i think that that

00:40:10.060 because of some of the unknowns with long-term issues with the virus we've also seen some shorter

00:40:15.260 terms uh myocard myocarditis sure sure um yeah with the vaccine and and and it's it's a low number but

00:40:22.220 but that can be a disqualifying um event for a pilot and so so back to uh how how is the

00:40:30.560 our loss of license plan is company administered so the company has to answer those questions

00:40:35.080 so you and you and you're saying that what would actually happen with the cancellations what's the

00:40:40.620 story behind that because i've heard i've heard you know that what glenn was saying you know that

00:40:44.880 there was some sort of sick out situation you guys are saying that's not true what actually happened

00:40:48.940 well i want to be clear so i'm glad you brought it up um so um it's now um wednesday so we've kind of

00:40:58.320 looked back over the weekend to see exactly what occurred and looking at our pilots performance

00:41:03.400 um i'm very proud of them um our pilot sick rates were right in line with where they were this summer

00:41:08.720 during the same sort of long-term meltdown that southwest had um looking at uh our pilots are the

00:41:14.480 most productive in the industry uh that means they do a lot of work on their off time it's what southwest

00:41:19.480 relies on it's what makes southwest different southwest does more with less and um and so our so looking at

00:41:26.280 our pilot pickup rates that they're working on off days those things um those were as high as we've

00:41:31.120 seen them so so those two together um sort of address where our pilots were there was no job

00:41:37.380 action there is stress i mean this this mandate and so then what caused this well um southwest works in

00:41:44.680 a very dynamic environment as do our peers weather is what we deal with every day that's just there's

00:41:50.640 nobody else that was correct so um southwest does operate in a completely different environment

00:41:58.600 meaning meaning our network our network is completely different than everyone else's it's complex um

00:42:05.180 point to point a line of thunderstorms moves through atlanta delta shuts down a push of airplanes

00:42:11.280 meaning all the ones coming in or out and and when the thunderstorms push through they're right back

00:42:16.080 on they might have canceled flights but they're right back on our airplanes are at all of our outstations

00:42:22.340 and and so when when someone gets sick when an airplane breaks when there's weather then then

00:42:29.340 there is a domino effect that is that is more difficult at southwest to to recover from

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 13, 2021

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