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William Shatner and the Southwest Airlines Pilot Association President, Captain Casey Murray, discuss the vaccine mandate and whether or not the government should pay for it. Are we ready for a national divorce?
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hey big program for you today we we go from loudon county all the way to the skies with
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william shatner and the southwest airline pilot association president captain casey murray he
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it was a little confusing at times they are against the vaccine mandate but southwest just
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won't answer any questions about that mandate and uh and that's that's all they want just give us
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some answers are we going to get fired if we don't take the vaccine if we take it and we get sick
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because of it are you paying for it so it's an interesting uh a really interesting conversation
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also uh a kind of a lead-in tonight's television show at 9 p.m are we ready for a national divorce
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that was our number two of this podcast and tonight we really look into it at 9 p.m only on blaze tv
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you're listening to the best of the blend back program
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daniel horowitz is here uh he's uh from the podcast conservative review which you should listen
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to uh and subscribe and uh rate with five stars i think is the appropriate five stars is the
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appropriate number of stars yes okay all right uh daniel welcome well it's great to be with you and i'll
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take five stars any day okay so uh daniel do we need a national divorce what would that look like
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or do we just need braver americans do we need braver i don't know constitutional americans
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well you know glenn think about this how do you bridge the divide between people who think a man is a
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woman a woman's a man a criminal's a victim a victim's a criminal if you don't wear a mask you're
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a murderer but i'll let murderers out of prison at the same time using that very virus as the pretext
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um you don't have the right to have free unrestricted movement unless you do as we say with your body
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but if you crash our border man you could go to all corners of the country anytime you want these are
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not light and transient causes this is not a matter of one issue frankly king george never did this
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king george never demanded we cover our mouths king george didn't have uh men in female bathrooms
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i mean those those issues were really very economic it was over over taxes uh we have never had this
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ever before um it used to be politics was 10 of our life and the other 90 you know we all have to eat
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we all have to drink we kind of do the same things we like the same sports teams and we can live
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together harmoniously now everything is political to the point of literally your life even before
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liberty so we now have a scenario where they could force you to take experimental um therapies that you
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know showed that they have a lot of problems but you don't even have the right to try a nobel prize
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winning drug this is how divided it is so what i would argue is we already have a national divorce
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except it's one-sided so for example you asked me to define what it looks like and i'll define what
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it looks like literally a divorce which doesn't mean you part ways you have certain amicable uh
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agreements when it comes to uh custody of the kids and certain assets and so we'll have the military
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well social security it won't be perfectly two different countries but what i think we need to
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do is make the red states that we allegedly already supposedly should have control over
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exactly like the blue states are and when trump was president they didn't tolerate anything um even
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something like immigration which is very much within the purview of the federal government
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they harbored illegal alien sex offenders and they actually in new york criminalized
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the enforcement and and a cooperation and transmitting any information to federal immigration
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agents so my point is there is no reason we can't go in the red states where we have four to one
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five to one majorities and some of them in the legislative bodies and say this is immoral illogical
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illegal it's unconstitutional it is not happening here and frankly if we ever get the presidency back
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that is what the blue states have already done and will do anyway yeah i i mean this is it goes back
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down to state power i don't care what you do in california but you're not going to charge me for it
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i'm not bailing you out uh i'm not living there um if that's what you want to do then that's fine but
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don't bring it to my state um and i i don't know why we are not defending the constitution we're arguing
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about all of these crazy things that are that that have nothing to do with the constitution and in
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many ways are in violation of the constitution we should i mean how many i'd like to know really
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honestly i i i really think we should begin conversations with people um like this can you
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talk to me about the bill of rights is there anything in the bill of rights that you disagree with
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if they say yeah i disagree with a lot of them you know who you're dealing with if they say no not
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really maybe the second amendment okay all right well we can talk about the second amendment later
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let's just start talking politics now and then and the and the policies as soon as they start talking
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about the policies you say i thought you weren't i thought you weren't against the bill of rights
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because i haven't moved they have they no longer believe in the bill of rights and you can't come
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together if you don't believe in the most important foundational document in our country
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and really the most important right as defined by blackstone is to walk in locomotion status quo
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without government uh acting against your body affirmatively in any way um and and the left always
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championed bodily autonomy in the courts really for a hundred almost a hundred years um that you have
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the right to kill a baby you have the right to a positive benefit to to add to get access to
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assisted uh physician assisted suicide all these cases we had and now suddenly you can't even have
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don't tase me bro hey look you know you got your vaccine you got your mask you can do what you want
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just don't force me to do it and now you have the aclu as the lead plaintiff in south carolina
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not only not defending your right to breathe in school but actually defending your alleged right to
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force the other guy not to breathe and and that's the point we don't shove things on them we're not
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demanding everyone take you know 5 000 i use of vitamin d and and ivermectin prophylactically which
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actually would probably uh stop the spread even more hey look we want to do it just allow us to do it
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don't stop us from doing it you could do it but they they won't allow it so right now we don't have
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a national divorce it's more like an abusive husband who has violated the social that that
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compact and we just have to evacuate ourselves from it and again madison's design has given us
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that um that design i don't want to hear about oh we'll win back congress or something with a narrow
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rhino majority republicans have 19 states where they not only have the trifecta but they have it with
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super majorities but here we have let me give an example there's a 16 year old girl we're all
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talking about in wyoming who is handcuffed for not wearing a mask now glenn all i'm asking is that in
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a state like wyoming where there's a 28 to 2 gop majority in the senate there's two democrats there
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that we could abide by and live by the same degree of post-constitutional liberty that we had on
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february 2020 is that too much to ask and yet we don't really have that the red states are a little
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better i mean i know why is that so why is that why is that why is it that wyoming of all places
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doesn't stand up well you know let me give you an example what we just dealt with in arkansas similar
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dynamic we couldn't even get a compromise bill immediately passed to allow an opt-out for weekly
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pcr testing that was new york's line in the sand a month ago so we can't even hold the line that new
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york was pushing a month ago or two months ago and that's because you look at a small state like
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arkansas overwhelmingly people voted for trump but at the end of the day it's not republican and
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democrat conservative liberal right and left it's one oligarchy this corporate government monopoly
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and you got tyson's you got jb hunt and you got walmart there and they get what they want and
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the governor's bought out by them so you've got all these republicans they get money from big pharma
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from the chamber of commerce they'll they'll joust very broadly on life and guns i'm pro-life i'm pro-gun
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you know in a very broad way but when it comes to the issues that matter most to our lives when they
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matter at the time they matter look carefully and you'll see both parties are awfully close to each
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other you used a uh you used light and transient causes earlier um the the second line in the second
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paragraph of the declaration of independence after the life liberty pursuit of happiness
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says that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from
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the consent of the governed that's no longer happening that when any form of government becomes
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destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish and institute a new
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government laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such a form as to
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them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness prudence indeed will dictate that
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governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes and accordingly
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all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to write
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themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed so it says here it explains human nature
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that most of us are silent because it's still okay and i think that changes once the economy
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really is hit i think once people start to realize wait a minute i i i'm losing my job i my money is
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worthless and i think it's probably too late by that point well i mean this is why john adams always
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said you have to nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud uh you know they got a bad rap at the time
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the patriots because it really wasn't that bad uh you know a tiny little tax there what's the big deal
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but they understood that if you wait until it is a big deal it's too late and and i think that's the
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problem i'll never forget a couple years ago actually right before covid uh our mutual friend and
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colleague steve dace and i did a show together and we talked about just retiring i said look i'm always
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happier when i just tune it out go on vacation and it doesn't bother me but that was before march
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2020 now you you you can't run away from it they control every aspect of our lives um and and and
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our our health our our what we do with our bodies uh it's it's terrible the the emails i'm getting
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from show listeners that they can't get proper treatment people that got vaccinated and they get
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very sick and and we have to find all sorts of ways to get them treatment in a first world country
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like america this is something that i think we can't live through and and glenn if if we're just going
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to relegate those words of the declaration to to some sort of uh museum some mosaic of history
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then they're just hollow they're meaningless and we're not asking for a civil war we want to avoid
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that and i think uh a lot of people forget the the revolutionary war was catalyzed really by
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the body closest to the people it was the state legislatures that formed those committees of
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correspondence i think we need to make state legislatures great again and that will make red states
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red again and you know we'll simply have red states that will behave the same way the blue states
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behave and we'll have a degree of self-sorting and that will be healthier for everyone it will be
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thank you so much appreciate it god bless um it's important that you listen to daniel horowitz he's
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really really smart and and really buttoned up on these uh issues blaze podcast conservative review
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get it wherever you get your podcast daniel horowitz this is the best of the glenn beck program
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welcome to the glenn beck program uh coming up in just a few minutes we have the uh pilots
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union leader uh from southwest airlines he's going to be joining me in studio here in about 25 minutes
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let me play cut six uh for you this is nancy pelosi lecturing reporters yesterday
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our latest cbs news poll shows that only about 10 percent of americans describe themselves as knowing
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a lot of specific things that are in the reconciliation package and that the majority don't know
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anything at all so do you think you need to do a better job at messaging and going forward how do
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you sell this if ultimately you have to well i think you all could do a better job of selling it
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to be very frank with you because every time i come here i go through the list family medical leave
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climate the the issues that are in there and um but it is true it is hard to break through
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when you have such a comprehensive package so difficult to break through when you control the
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entire government and all of the media i know so hard to get your message i know it really is okay
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so let me just let me go through a few things these are not failures these are intended and they are
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intended to bring you to a reset the great reset remember when do you reset things when do you go
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downstairs into the scary basement to look at the fuse box when everything is fine no when there's been
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a disruption in power right something is blown in the house when do you push the reset button on your
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computer when everything is fine or just a little glitchy or do you just like i said i don't want to
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and you just keep going until it completely freezes up and you have no other option but to reset so the things
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that this government quote is failing in are not failings they are to lead you to the great reset let's go
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through some of them supply chain one more example of biden failing at basic governing this is from breitbart
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that's the headline it's not a failure of him governing this is intentional southwest pilots warn fatigue frustration
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could fuel further outages well i'll hear from the pilots union uh here in just a few minutes but does
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anybody actually believe that the mandate plays no role in that cnn says americans won't be able to go
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back to shopping like in the before times oh okay the u.s health care force is short half a million workers
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now a main hospital just closed its nicu because of staffing shortages due to vaccine mandate
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do you see what these all have in common so far u.s cities are having to boost bus budgets for cops after
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defund the police initiatives result in more crime walgreens closes five more san francisco locations
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due to theft this is happening in big cities where they have said we're not going to prosecute
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anybody for shoplifting you're shoplifting under a thousand dollars so people are just going in and
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they're just wiping these stores clean because police can't do anything about it
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chicago suffering from officer shortage they can't find the recruits
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believe they need what is it a hundred and there's 877 vacancies
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i think they need about 1600 officers and they can't figure out why officers don't want to work in
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in chicago over the weekend try this one on for size california moved one step closer to ending
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reliance on fossil fuels what they did is they banned all um uh all off-road gasoline engines so you know
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if you have a leaf blower if your lawn service is cutting the lawn using a lawn mower can't be gasoline
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has to be electric this will bankrupt so many small businesses 50 000 businesses are going to be
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affected by this and it's only a matter of time before everyone has to do this
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saki said yesterday and i quote the president wants to use the pandemic to make fundamental changes
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in our economy is that what you voted for did you vote for a fundamental change in our economy
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he feels coming out of the pandemic it is exactly the time to make fundamental change in our economy
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that's not what i voted for you want to know what's in that package all kinds of stuff that goes against
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the constitution janet yellen said the 600 is irs reporting requirement is necessary because there's
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a lot of tax fraud and cheating that's going on really is there do you know how much it costs to
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fill my truck now at the gas station a hundred dollars a hundred dollars to fill my truck
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uh i can do that easily easily in a month six times if i'm driving the truck a lot at least four
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so i pay my gas card it's a 600 transaction the federal government the irs needs that that's the
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most ridiculous thing i've ever seen so you now you're going after you know the post office worker
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the teacher the people who are the heroes in our society you're going after the people that have 50
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to 60 000 how much are you spending on food every month if you have a large family can you spend
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600 at the grocery store wow so now you need to be spied upon by the irs because your transactions
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are suspicious we cannot allow these things to happen this infrastructure bill cannot pass
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because it is infrastructure it is infrastructure so when they power everything down because everything
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is gridlock and you are out in the streets going there's no food that i can afford at the grocery
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store my shelves are empty the ports are backed up they're not working i can't hire anybody to do the job
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there's crime all over the city my my school board is completely out of control and the fbi is now
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interviewing all of the parents that were there at the school board meeting i can't afford gas anymore
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i can't afford a new car they're not even making the new cars anymore my oil or my gas bill to heat my house
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is two and a half times what it was before the election it's already double what it was we're not
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even in the winter yet when all of that happens when the court system doesn't work when the police
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can't work when crime is out of control when you can't afford your um your uh your groceries when you
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can't afford your house when the banks are just making all kinds of money when all of these things are
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happening this is not a failing of the progressives this is by design for the great reset
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this is why we have to this is why we have to speak out
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this is why the tonight's tv show is so important because the answer really is local local local
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when the fbi said that they were going to uh look into terrorists do you know why they did that right
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they did that to scare you off well loudon county wasn't scared off last night they had a huge school
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board meeting they were even more vocal than they have been we need to be at our school board meetings
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even if you live in a good town where your school board is on your side you need to be there
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because the school board association is watching and we must send them a message you don't scare me
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these people will do anything anything to win they don't play by the rules
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the only thing that frightens them is you waking up and standing up read barack obama's book
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you know jonah goldberg tweeted me the other day and he said when i said i think they've just started
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another tea party and he said oh like the first one was so effective did you read barack obama's book
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it was according to barack obama it was it slowed him down there's still lessons to learn though of how
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if we're going to do something else like that it needs to be done and and hopefully have longer legs
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than this one we've complained about that several times and it had we are smarter we know that it's
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going to be taken over by uh by hook and by crooks in the republican party and we have to have
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certain principles it's really easy now to align on principles it's very easy it's very easy
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you know do you believe the um the school board you should be allowed to go in and question the
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school board peacefully first amendment do you believe that everybody has a right to speak
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their mind out in open and disagree with with you know fauci or anybody else first amendment do you
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believe that people who disagree with us have a right to publish and to be seen and be heard or
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should they be canceled first amendment do you believe i have a right to protect myself especially
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when the government is firing all the cops and they they're saying places like austin texas
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unless somebody has you you know in a chokehold with a gun don't call us we can't come somebody's
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breaking into your house oh well we can't help you damn right i have a right to own a gun damn right
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do you believe that the the the irs should be into my bank watching every transaction of six hundred
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dollars or more no that's a violation of the fourth amendment everything is about the bill of rights
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you just need to start asking people do you believe in the bill of rights let's go through them
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do you believe in the bill of rights if you do i'm with you if you don't i can't talk to you
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because there's the gulf is too far you have moved i haven't you have sorry bill of rights they are
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universal they are the thing that we all agreed on if you can't agree with me on the bill of rights
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then i'm not the enemy of america no matter what you say i'm not the terrorist you are you are
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you're the revolutionary not me the best of the glenn beck program
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the first round of flight cancellations on saturday at southwest airlines came the day after
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the southwest airline pilot association filed a request in federal court to block a covet 19 vaccine
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mandate so you know and we'll get this information here in a second um it doesn't appear that the
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union is against the mandate they just want it to happen after they've negotiated their contract
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uh yesterday the ceo gary kelly told n uh cnbc i've never been in favor of corporate in favor
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of corporations imposing that kind of a mandate however they're complying with biden's vaccine mandate
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even though there isn't one yet the objective here obviously is to improve health and safety and
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not for people to lose their jobs uh 2200 flights were canceled over the weekend and to talk to us
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about this uh is captain casey murray who is the head of the uh pilots association the pilots union
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how are you sir i'm doing well thanks for having me glenn thank you for coming in i appreciate it yes i
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was shocked when you guys said yes to our invitation yeah well uh we're out there you know we're trying to
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get the word out trying to clear up some misconceptions and um and i'm proud of our
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pilots so i want to speak for them okay so tell me what is happening what's happening now well since
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you um brought up uh the the tro that we filed we filed that on friday we also have a status quo
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lawsuit that we've been forced to file uh we've amended that to sort of add on this aspect as well
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to show continuing status quo violations while we are negotiating our contract what does it mean
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status quo violations well the rla railway labor act that we work under um and and are contracted under
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uh requires the company while we're in negotiations can't make unilateral changes uh while we're
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negotiating okay and we've seen numerous numerous instances we've tried to work with them it is kind of
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the hallmark of what swappa and southwest do but we've seen that kind of fail uh over the past year
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or so because of covid you're they are just wholesale changing some really important things that you don't
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you haven't ever negotiated and if i'm reading this right you're saying hey look we've we've done a lot
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here enough is enough correct um and and all we've been asking for and this is specifically what the
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tro is is about is is hey we need to sit down and have discussions around this um our peers delta
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american united um fedex ups they all have had agreements in place for six and and at times 10
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months um that addressed a lot of our concerns so and and your concerns are well pilots um one of the
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main concerns is pilots um are required to carry a medical certificate every six months we go in
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have a full battery of tests and and and and every six months i mean there's a risk that you could lose
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your career so with our pilot's license we also have a medical certificate so um a lot of our pilots
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and our peers pilots um want to want to know and have answered how's the company going to handle uh any
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sort of either long-term issues that come from the vaccines um because that is still yet to be
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determined um and then you know negative negative okay um and then you know even shorter term what's
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going to happen when um if i have a reaction and have to call in sick is that coming out of my sick
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bank and and so now it's being required mandated and and we need these questions answered and our peers
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have done it and we see vaccination rates from 90 percent and higher and then you look at united
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um 99.9 percent of their pilots are vaccinated um we don't know and and the company hasn't shared
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with us what our vaccination rate is it is it is much lower than that and i would i would venture to
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say probably half that and a lot of it has to do with our pilots you know trepidation with not having
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a lot of these questions answered and that's all we're trying to do is get them to the table
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i mean um apa at american their pilots union has over 11 different um mous memorandums of understanding
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addressing these things and we see what it do what it does to the vaccination rates
00:30:39.760
so when i see pictures of pilots uh because they're going there's lots of them do we have any of them
00:30:48.140
here um here's one a don't tread on me flag hanging out of the window of a southwest jet
00:30:54.740
uh out of the pilots window um show um do you have the okay there's there's all kinds of pictures of
00:31:02.520
of southwest pilots um out online as well and that seems to be anti-vaccine yes do you have any idea
00:31:13.400
how many of your pilots are going to probably end up getting fired um i would say that uh until a lot
00:31:21.280
of these questions gets answered um we really don't know um it it's kind of a two-fold sort of issue
00:31:28.660
um there are those that feel very strongly that the government mandate crosses and steps on the
00:31:37.180
constitution and um and and i respect that um there's a lot of very personal decisions but the flip side
00:31:45.880
is um they also don't want to go into being mandated for a vaccine where their questions as to
00:31:54.520
where their career and and where their families stand and and their family's well-being moving
00:31:59.420
forward um they have to be able to make decisions um using um some concrete data um and and and we're
00:32:08.000
still waiting on that from our company and by data i mean having some of these questions answered
00:32:11.880
so what is you're just because i don't think i heard that uh yesterday from the ceo did you still
00:32:21.340
i don't think i heard him address um these concerns it's very clear just and i brought this up twice
00:32:30.220
already it's look at our peers look at where our peers vaccination rates are look at what they have
00:32:35.460
done proactively to address this we have done nothing southwest we have tried
00:32:41.120
um for six months to force them to sit down and have discussions about this we even went so far
00:32:47.260
as forcing a letter of agreement during negotiations across the table because they weren't interested in
00:32:55.080
having the discussions they have it it's in their hands we still have not sat down um and had real
00:33:00.840
discussions we did have a meeting on monday uh that was really i would say forced by the tro even
00:33:06.960
though it hasn't been ruled on yet but i mean i think southwest felt okay we have to do something
00:33:10.500
and we presented them with dozens of questions and we're still waiting answers we're a week and a
00:33:15.820
half past past when when the the federal contractor mandate came out and and we're rapidly approaching
00:33:23.800
a deadline so well it's still it's still just a vocal there is no written policy it's not law
00:33:32.640
it's not even executive order absolutely yes um so but when your company tells you you will or you will
00:33:40.500
be terminated correct there is a a conscious feeling of of a threat so many people don't have a union
00:33:48.620
uh and a lot of a lot of people i am i'm glad i'm not in a union i think unions are really important
00:33:56.520
um when companies get out of control and uh in the same way i think when unions get out of control
00:34:05.820
they're just as bad as the out of control uh company um but this i'm i mean i i'm wondering
00:34:13.320
if a union if you're working as a pilot and you don't want the vaccine and you're going to get fired
00:34:20.900
for it are you going to defend those guys absolutely absolutely um we we have to and and we will we will
00:34:30.720
defend them if that's what it comes to but it is our job in representing them to provide them with as
00:34:36.720
much information and force the company uh to come and and get these questions answered so what would
00:34:43.220
that mean if you after you get the questions and because you guys aren't is is the union against
00:34:50.440
the mandate we are against the mandate you are against it not even with more information
00:34:56.960
you're against we're against the mandate it it our whole thing is it is a pilot's choice it is a pilot's
00:35:03.100
family choice it's a very personal decision that has to be made and so uh we believe that but that by
00:35:11.860
providing these answers and the company providing these answers i mean there are so many things
00:35:17.880
even outside of the medical i mean we still haven't had questions as to uh who's making the decisions on
00:35:24.340
these um on these exemptions so medical religious we don't have answers to that how's how's the
00:35:29.740
information going to be protected uh in the hipaa environment at the company we haven't had answers
00:35:34.800
to those is there an alternative means of compliance like the original mandate that that that biden
00:35:41.320
put out even before this contractor issue um there was an alternative means of compliance
00:35:46.980
how is that right the other yes it was yes testing testing yes um how is um what about natural
00:35:54.360
immunity we we have we have pilots right now that have covid and those pilots now say they recover this
00:36:04.120
week they they still can't get the shot for 90 days well that's outside the window how is that going
00:36:09.380
to be handled so so many questions that we don't have answers to and our pilots don't have answers
00:36:14.820
to and our pilots can't make decisions our pilots use data our pilots look at look at all available
00:36:20.360
information and and then make the decision and again i point back to our peers our peers address this
00:36:26.380
proactively and look at where they're at so um what is what is um governor abbott's uh ruling or his
00:36:36.900
executive order here in texas where no company has to follow that well that's part of the issue as
00:36:43.920
well for us not having the ability to sit down and have these discussions with our company
00:36:48.340
our legal team is is looking at that and then in the midst of of looking and seeing how that is going
00:36:55.320
to affect our pilots uh gary kelly comes out yesterday and says that he's not going to abide by that
00:37:00.340
that he's going to abide by by biden's mandate which doesn't exist uh but the governor's does
00:37:07.620
yes yes i know they did send something over to osha supposedly over the the past 24 hours or so
00:37:14.400
but certainly nothing's official yet it does seem like it's a something to intimidate these companies
00:37:19.800
to just go along with it before there's even a rule written down yes there's a lot of the i think
00:37:25.480
there's a lot of people that uh uh are hoping somebody takes a stand because the little guy
00:37:33.120
is taking a stand and getting squashed and the government is just telling them what they can and
00:37:39.060
can't do and they are i mean i think there was a lot of hope at least there was with me when i saw you
00:37:45.260
guys you know uh have your difficulties this weekend i was hoping that it was the pilots stepping out and
00:37:53.260
saying no we're not going to do it we're reasonable people you know uh as you said many have already
00:37:59.900
had covid i've had covid i had a bad bout of covid i believe in my antibodies i don't know why this is
00:38:07.040
the exception to something that we know about the human body um and i have no problem with the vaccine
00:38:14.020
but i know i don't really give a flying crap what the federal government says this is unconstitutional
00:38:20.600
and there i think there's a lot of people hoping that you were you were uh standing up for that or
00:38:28.140
at least a few pilots were standing up for that i mean and i was very clear i think earlier when i
00:38:32.360
answered that question we are against the mandate we are not anti-vaccine but but our pilots are in a
00:38:38.640
unique position um unlike the rest of the population we have to maintain a medical and there's a lot of
00:38:44.700
unanswered questions and a lot of those questions can and a lot of those fears can be allayed by
00:38:50.080
by how is our insurance going to be handled and and we carry a loss of license insurance as well as an
00:38:56.320
ltd and std so the long uh long-term disability and short-term disability we also carry loss of license
00:39:02.680
specifically for our medical so if we lose our medical we have some at least income insurance um when
00:39:10.140
we can no longer fly we're with the president of southwest airlines pilots association his name
00:39:14.680
is captain casey murray and we're talking about the southwest airlines vaccine mandates and the
00:39:20.220
trouble that they had over the weekend so you mentioned the the medical uh certification you
00:39:25.940
need to have every six months yes so they're requiring you to upkeep some level what does that
00:39:31.580
mean exactly what's on it it's an faa requirement so uh um uh we have certain classes of medicals
00:39:38.940
our pilots have to maintain a first or second class whether you're a captain or first officer
00:39:43.240
and and so um it's um you know any type of heart issue any type of high blood pressure uh depression
00:39:50.940
um diabetes i mean any of those things can can can kill your career and um so so would they argue
00:39:58.160
though that you every six months you have to do this anyway why is covid19 we're in the middle of a
00:40:03.640
pandemic why wouldn't you have to maintain uh the vaccination status well i i think that that
00:40:10.060
because of some of the unknowns with long-term issues with the virus we've also seen some shorter
00:40:15.260
terms uh myocard myocarditis sure sure um yeah with the vaccine and and and it's it's a low number but
00:40:22.220
but that can be a disqualifying um event for a pilot and so so back to uh how how is the
00:40:30.560
our loss of license plan is company administered so the company has to answer those questions
00:40:35.080
so you and you and you're saying that what would actually happen with the cancellations what's the
00:40:40.620
story behind that because i've heard i've heard you know that what glenn was saying you know that
00:40:44.880
there was some sort of sick out situation you guys are saying that's not true what actually happened
00:40:48.940
well i want to be clear so i'm glad you brought it up um so um it's now um wednesday so we've kind of
00:40:58.320
looked back over the weekend to see exactly what occurred and looking at our pilots performance
00:41:03.400
um i'm very proud of them um our pilot sick rates were right in line with where they were this summer
00:41:08.720
during the same sort of long-term meltdown that southwest had um looking at uh our pilots are the
00:41:14.480
most productive in the industry uh that means they do a lot of work on their off time it's what southwest
00:41:19.480
relies on it's what makes southwest different southwest does more with less and um and so our so looking at
00:41:26.280
our pilot pickup rates that they're working on off days those things um those were as high as we've
00:41:31.120
seen them so so those two together um sort of address where our pilots were there was no job
00:41:37.380
action there is stress i mean this this mandate and so then what caused this well um southwest works in
00:41:44.680
a very dynamic environment as do our peers weather is what we deal with every day that's just there's
00:41:50.640
nobody else that was correct so um southwest does operate in a completely different environment
00:41:58.600
meaning meaning our network our network is completely different than everyone else's it's complex um
00:42:05.180
point to point a line of thunderstorms moves through atlanta delta shuts down a push of airplanes
00:42:11.280
meaning all the ones coming in or out and and when the thunderstorms push through they're right back
00:42:16.080
on they might have canceled flights but they're right back on our airplanes are at all of our outstations
00:42:22.340
and and so when when someone gets sick when an airplane breaks when there's weather then then
00:42:29.340
there is a domino effect that is that is more difficult at southwest to to recover from