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00:00:00.340 Really good Friday podcast for you today. We have a little bit of history. We have the goods on Ray Epps and this sham of a prosecution.

00:00:13.140 Also, kind of a recap of the week, if you will, of the way I've been feeling right at the beginning of the podcast, where we are in time and what do we believe in and what are we willing to do and what should we do?

00:00:27.080 So, it's a really good beginning of the podcast and we end with Ron DeSantis. I talked to him about Ukraine. I talked to him about the border, the deep state, Donald Trump, all of it on today's podcast. Don't miss it.

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00:01:36.180 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:51.660 I have, uh, I've had kind of a fun week. If you've been listening, uh, all week, you know, I, I've been a little, little on the edge, little on the edge to the point to where, I don't know,

00:02:04.820 maybe I want to spend my life as a dog, you know, dog's life. It's very popular. I'll show you in a few minutes.

00:02:10.760 What's, oh, what's happening with people who want to identify as a dog. Um, that is finally, we've gotten to the civil rights program, uh, gotten it to the place to where we can finally say what needs to be said.

00:02:23.760 People can choose to be dogs. Um, but I've been, uh, I watched the news and I watch for things that the average person doesn't necessarily watch for.

00:02:34.640 If you read my daily email newsletter, which is free every day, you can get it at glenbeck.com. If you read that, you see things that, um, media is not talking about, even conservative media, not talking about.

00:02:48.380 And when you start to piece all these puzzle pieces together, you see a pretty bleak picture and we are at a place where the die has been cast.

00:03:02.840 The Rubicon has been crossed. And we're here. And it is a battle. We are at war. We're in a spiritual war primarily.

00:03:17.580 Um, and too many of us don't even know what that means anymore, but we are not fighting flesh and bone. We are fighting evil, true evil.

00:03:27.580 Evil. And the longer we wait, the stronger evil will become the longer we, the longer we wait, uh, the more chance it comes to blows.

00:03:41.280 And that will be the death of the Republic and the death of the American, um, you know, the American experiment. It will be over. 0.62

00:03:51.440 And I don't know about you, but I am, I'm, I have children. I have four. I have grandchildren. I have two and I'm desperate for them to live a full, happy, comfortable life.

00:04:07.600 Even if it means I give my life or I give up all that I have so they can have, and we overuse freedom and liberty. Nobody knows what that is.

00:04:19.420 So they have opportunity, opportunity. That's all I want them to have.

00:04:31.480 Honestly, it has been a very tough battle. And I know you feel the same way. I've at least had the luxury of, I was going to say fame and fortune, but fame is a curse.

00:04:47.420 Uh, and so is fortune in many ways, but it, I mean, it's a nice way to go. If you're going to go to hell, it's a nice way to go, uh, with fortune.

00:04:56.420 Um, but I've had a much more comfortable life. It's easier for me to think than it is probably for many in our audience because they are, they have the daily bills bearing down on them all day.

00:05:10.580 So we all have our own things that we're carrying through. We've all been, you know, injured. We've all been foolish.

00:05:18.900 And we've also been blessed enough to do some things that will prepare us. 0.97

00:05:26.020 I've been sued. I so far haven't been arrested, but you know, I don't know what's going to happen next.

00:05:31.900 I, I, you know, when they're arresting just anybody, when they can arrest attorneys for giving somebody advice, that's not illegal.

00:05:40.900 We, you know, we don't know what's going to happen next.

00:05:46.900 I have worked hard to serve the constitution. I've worked hard to serve my fellow man.

00:05:54.900 I have served my God and I can't even say to the best of my ability, but I have tried.

00:06:02.900 But I have tried and moment, you know, momentarily, occasionally, once in a while, I forgive myself for being proud of what I've created because I didn't create it.

00:06:16.160 I was allowed an opportunity in America.

00:06:20.580 God gave me certain abilities and I'm a lucky man.

00:06:25.360 I'm a blessed man.

00:06:26.460 Still, with all of that going on, we have to realize where we are right now.

00:06:37.180 I've always talked to you about we're on a highway and we're passing the exit signs and the bridge is out.

00:06:43.760 Well, we are now, you know, that point in the movie where they're on a bridge and it's either open or there's no way out.

00:06:54.760 And all the cars are coming up behind them and they're going to be killed by the bad guys.

00:06:59.340 And they're like, what do we do?

00:07:01.580 We're at that moment right now.

00:07:05.300 What do we do?

00:07:10.560 We are in what possibly is the final battle for the American way of life, the American truth, justice and the American way.

00:07:20.920 I don't really care if we're a poor nation.

00:07:24.700 I really don't.

00:07:25.600 I don't want to be a poor nation.

00:07:27.400 I don't want to have poverty.

00:07:30.280 But I do believe that we have been so misguided.

00:07:35.480 We have lost our way so expertly that we have put all of our our belief that what America is is about success.

00:07:45.740 Yes, money is an abundance of food. 0.56

00:07:50.220 We don't have to work hard.

00:07:51.980 And that's not true.

00:07:53.360 It's just not true.

00:07:58.200 As we advance as a species.

00:08:00.240 Are we any better than the people that came before us?

00:08:06.900 Are we any better than those who we say we stand against their principles?

00:08:14.500 We fight with words.

00:08:16.180 We fight with votes.

00:08:18.060 And God bless it with politics.

00:08:20.140 But we don't fight alone.

00:08:25.580 I couldn't say this to you three years ago, four years ago.

00:08:31.100 Because we were still putting our faith in one man in the office of the president of the United States.

00:08:36.720 And I think still too many people are doing that.

00:08:39.500 But I know today that I'm not fighting this alone.

00:08:42.740 I'm fighting this with you.

00:08:43.900 We're fighting this battle with parents that will stand up.

00:08:47.420 So many parents won't say anything.

00:08:51.320 They'll say it privately.

00:08:52.560 They'll say it to their neighbors.

00:08:53.920 They'll say it to somebody else in the school board meeting.

00:08:56.960 But when it comes time to stand up, they don't want their children to have any problems at school.

00:09:01.900 They don't want to be a pariah in the neighborhood.

00:09:04.960 But I'll tell you right now.

00:09:07.460 I know there are parents all over this country that are standing up.

00:09:11.200 There are moms all over this country. 1.00

00:09:13.080 Moms for liberty. 1.00

00:09:14.360 They're conservative.

00:09:15.720 They're independent.

00:09:16.380 And even some of them are Democrat.

00:09:18.300 A lot of them are.

00:09:19.740 That are seeing the insanity in our schools.

00:09:24.000 I personally am waiting for more teachers to join us.

00:09:28.600 I'm waiting for the teachers who don't believe in pedophilia and Marxism to stand up and say,

00:09:36.240 I reject my union.

00:09:41.380 We need some courage there, gang. 0.98

00:09:43.280 I mean, unless you're with Marxist and pedophiles and child mutation, you know, mutilation, you know, go ahead.

00:09:52.060 But then I oppose what you believe because I am for children being children.

00:10:01.280 I am for children having innocence in their childhood.

00:10:06.460 I am for children being safe from predators.

00:10:10.640 And I know we fight with doctors by our side.

00:10:16.160 There are doctors all over the country that are against this and standing up and risking their license to stand up and say, no, no mutilation of children.

00:10:27.880 No, you don't have to take the vaccine.

00:10:31.100 No, you should be able to consult with your doctor.

00:10:34.780 And if you have a different treatment that you want to try, you should be able to try it.

00:10:40.740 There are doctors who know first do no harm.

00:10:43.660 Scientists, the scientists that are standing up, that know that science is based on provable fact and that science is always wrong until new fact or only right until new facts come along, which makes the old science outdated and wrong.

00:11:04.460 Scientists that know that the military industrial complex wasn't all that Eisenhower warned about.

00:11:12.280 He warned about the military industrial complex becoming so big that it can control Congress, that we would be in never ending wars.

00:11:19.740 But he also warned us about education, getting into bed with the government and training a whole new generation to be slaves of an out of control government.

00:11:30.700 He warned of a scientific complex where our scientists would no longer be able to think individually because so much of the study would be funded by the government, which was looking for answers that they wanted.

00:11:46.620 When we fight today, we fight with the scientists who know that and will stand up and say, no, this is wrong.

00:11:53.940 And there's lots of them.

00:11:56.560 Today, we fight against the mainstream media.

00:12:00.700 But we're fighting in a different way.

00:12:02.460 We used to have to fight them with every fact and everything else.

00:12:06.420 Now with the new media, something that when I started the blaze 12 years ago, people said I was insane.

00:12:14.080 This would never work.

00:12:15.760 You can't get past the mainstream media and the big networks.

00:12:19.920 And yet we did it.

00:12:21.360 And look what has spawned from that.

00:12:25.120 Now we are fighting with the voice of a new media.

00:12:30.700 Where soon, and I mean very soon, the mainstream media has to answer to us.

00:12:38.580 We are no longer in a position to where we have to answer to them.

00:12:43.640 We have to say what they are charging and then prove them wrong.

00:12:50.340 Instead, they're going to be in the position very soon where they have to prove us wrong.

00:12:56.500 And that has taken a toll on so many people in the media that got out and risked everything and came to the new media.

00:13:10.560 And they're still coming.

00:13:12.020 We're now fighting with actors and actresses and writers and directors and gaffers and cinematographers and stage people that have had enough of the insanity that are now coming to something even newer than the new media.

00:13:30.640 And that is the new Hollywood, for lack of a better term.

00:13:35.600 We have seen amazing advances from the Jesus Revolution to the Chosen. 1.00

00:13:44.320 Those are not low-quality conservative films.

00:13:49.600 That is the highest quality.

00:13:53.700 And we're now making inroads to distribution.

00:13:56.520 Once we have full distribution, the whole world changes.

00:14:05.720 We fight with Mike Lee.

00:14:09.300 We fight with father and son, Ran and Ron Paul.

00:14:12.600 We fight with Chip Roy and Ted Cruz.

00:14:15.360 We fight with the members of the Freedom Caucus.

00:14:18.080 And there are many others in Washington, in Congress, in the Senate, that are actually fighting.

00:14:24.960 We are also fighting with others in Washington, like whistleblowers.

00:14:30.440 Have you noticed the number of whistleblowers?

00:14:34.640 And we also fight with people who are silently standing in place, not abandoning their posts and trying to protect what they can from the inside.

00:14:48.540 We fight for the rule of law, the Constitution.

00:14:52.120 We fight for the rights of all mankind.

00:15:00.380 We fight with posts on Facebook and X and Instagram, blah, blah, blah, a hundred other places.

00:15:06.880 We get to raise our flags.

00:15:08.420 We fight it every day at a gun range.

00:15:11.020 We fight it when we buy the hunting license at Cabela's. 1.00

00:15:14.280 In our hearts, we know we don't care about the stupid bear, the black bear, the deer. 0.99

00:15:23.700 However, in our hearts, we actually have compassion for these animals. 1.00

00:15:29.240 And we take their life to feed our families.

00:15:32.340 It's not a sport where we kill them and leave them on the side, as the media would have you believe.

00:15:38.980 It's not brutal and grotesque.

00:15:41.000 That's why we go to the firing range.

00:15:43.240 Because we have a responsibility, if we're going to hunt, to take the animal down in one shot.

00:15:48.520 We have a responsibility to, if we carry a gun, and we're seeing a crime and people in danger,

00:15:57.780 that we pull our gun out and we don't get other people killed, including ourself.

00:16:04.400 We care about being outdoors.

00:16:06.380 We care about the land.

00:16:07.820 We care about the timber.

00:16:09.460 We care about the smell of pine and how cold the waterfall is coming off a glacier.

00:16:15.000 We care about these things.

00:16:18.600 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:21.300 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:23.640 We're glad you're here.

00:16:24.500 Hey.

00:16:25.860 Oh, thank good the New York Times have been vindicated about Ray Epps.

00:16:31.840 You know, see, the government is going after him.

00:16:34.840 Because, you know, he apparently was a threat.

00:16:38.480 And, wow, they, whoo-wee, he could spend hours in jail.

00:16:44.500 And that'll teach him.

00:16:47.920 And so he's definitely not somebody that was involved in any way with the government.

00:16:55.020 Now, Darren Beatty has been following this.

00:16:58.280 He's the founder and editor of Revolver News.

00:17:00.840 He's been on the program many, many times.

00:17:03.920 Holds a Ph.D.

00:17:04.720 Political science.

00:17:05.580 Taught political theory at Duke University.

00:17:07.700 He got involved in all of, you know, the news and trying to find the truth just a few years ago.

00:17:16.320 Couldn't take it anymore.

00:17:17.480 And he does some incredible work at Revolver News.

00:17:20.440 If you haven't been to Revolver.news, you need to.

00:17:24.980 He joins us now to tell me what he thinks about the Ray Epps charge.

00:17:30.500 Wow.

00:17:31.660 They nailed him, didn't they?

00:17:34.540 Absolutely.

00:17:35.340 Now, there are a number of things to say about this.

00:17:37.160 One is just how obviously desperate and bungling this is as a cover-up attempt, as a last gasp effort to salvage the absolutely crumbling narrative surrounding Ray Epps, specifically in the Fed's direction generally.

00:17:56.060 So, just a couple of things about this indictment, which is a misdemeanor, guilty plea deal for a single offense, which is disorderly conduct and restricted grounds.

00:18:08.360 So, there are two things to say about this initially.

00:18:11.440 One is just how weak the charge is.

00:18:15.240 And to get a sense of how weak it is, you need to compare it to charges other defendants face for far less egregious behavior.

00:18:24.480 In just about every case, anyone who did remotely what Epps did, leave aside the Epps telling people to go into capital in advance.

00:18:32.420 Just his movements in the restricted zones.

00:18:36.540 That would have come with an obstruction of an official proceeding charge, which is a felony.

00:18:41.640 And there are a number of other charges, which the DOJ could easily have given Epps if they wanted, from very early on, ranging all the way up to conspiracy, which is some of the more serious charges.

00:18:55.040 It's worth noting that Enrique Tarrio, some of these Proud Boys sentencing, which is really just the perfect contrast with Epps' misdemeanor.

00:19:04.660 Enrique Tarrio, who got the most severe sentence in all of January 6th, 22-year sentence, he wasn't at the Capitol.

00:19:12.600 He wasn't even at D.C.

00:19:14.340 He wasn't in D.C. for that day.

00:19:16.160 And yet, he got convicted of seditious conspiracy.

00:19:20.280 So the people saying, oh, Epps didn't go into the Capitol, that's why.

00:19:23.880 No, it has nothing to do with not going into the Capitol.

00:19:25.980 The biggest sentence things were for people who didn't go into the Capitol, one of whom wasn't even in D.C.

00:19:31.860 And those were the conspiracy charges.

00:19:34.440 And the great irony is, even though I would say, after having read the charging documents, the evidence is very flimsy against Tarrio and others for those serious charges,

00:19:45.080 Ray Epps is the only one of them who has actually acknowledged his role in a conspiracy with the literal text message to his nephew saying, I orchestrated it.

00:19:55.760 So everybody's being charged with conspiracy, except for the guy who explicitly acknowledged the role in orchestrating it.

00:20:04.340 And justifiably so, because the video evidence is astonishing.

00:20:09.560 And people can go to revolver.news now.

00:20:11.520 The very top piece has some very rare footage.

00:20:14.740 You know, there's the stuff that everyone has seen, but there's some rare stuff that really contextualizes the focus, the term determination,

00:20:22.780 and the extent to which he was just on this mission to get people in the Capitol.

00:20:27.380 There's amazing things from the evening before.

00:20:30.160 We've all seen that we need to go into the Capitol.

00:20:32.600 But he was going from group to group.

00:20:35.440 Anytime a group was talking about anything other than the Capitol, he was there to redirect them to the point that, in one instance, he stated,

00:20:43.400 our enemy is the Capitol, as though he traveled across the country to vent his vendetta against neoclassical architecture.

00:20:51.180 It's really something remarkable.

00:20:58.740 And the thought that the regime press would cover this as though this slap on the wrist charge two years and eight months after January 6th, that's the other thing.

00:21:11.500 The time span.

00:21:12.880 We know that the feds were aware of Epps from the very beginning.

00:21:16.700 On January 8th, two days after the 6th, he was one of the first 20 people put on the FBI's most wanted list.

00:21:25.820 They've been aware of him for a long.

00:21:27.820 It's not like this weird scenario where they just heard of him because they just happened to stumble on a Revolver news piece, you know, a week ago.

00:21:35.000 No, they've been aware of him since the very beginning, and they've considered his behavior so egregious as to warrant being put as one of the first 20 people on the most wanted list.

00:21:46.120 They took his name off quietly, literally the day after our second big piece on federal involvement in January 6th.

00:21:54.940 So it's too little, it's too late, we all see it for what it is, and it fits this pattern of almost unimaginable incompetence where if they were smart, the Epps case is so bad for them, it's like the worst thing they could possibly talk about.

00:22:12.720 But if they were smart, they would do everything they could to keep Epps out of the news cycle, period.

00:22:18.120 They wouldn't re-up him in our consciousness and remind us of what a sham January 6th was with desperate attempts like a misdemeanor charge almost three years after January 6th.

00:22:30.720 So the amazing thing is, is he said he came to Washington because he was a big Trump supporter, but he didn't attend the Trump rally.

00:22:41.240 He was at the Capitol before Trump even finished his speech, and he was already appeared to be preparing the way for the entrance of everybody into the Capitol.

00:22:58.100 Is that true?

00:22:58.620 Absolutely. It's even crazier than that.

00:23:02.040 So in this piece I'm talking about that's at the top of Revolver now, we go through his entire workings the evening before, then the next day on the 6th, keep in mind, Trump didn't start speaking.

00:23:14.460 He wasn't set to start speaking until noon.

00:23:16.640 We have Ray Epps before 10, so over two hours before, hanging around the entrance to where the speech would be, directing people to go to the Capitol.

00:23:28.620 That's where our true problems lie.

00:23:31.220 It's in that direction.

00:23:32.780 Spread the word.

00:23:33.740 The Capitol is where our problems are, over and over and over.

00:23:36.740 And like you said, despite what he told authorities, you know, he in interviews with authorities, both the J6 committee and the FBI, he told them the whole reason he traveled all the way across the country was that his son wanted to go to the Trump speech.

00:23:53.520 And he was there to protect his son because he had some premonition that there would be explosives planted on side streets near the Capitol, which is an amazing premonition.

00:24:04.580 And the people didn't even ask him follow up questions about the pipe bombs, which is another story altogether.

00:24:09.520 But he ends up, as you point out, not going to the Trump speech and abandoning his son.

00:24:17.400 Not being with his son.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.680 His son's not with him.

00:24:22.020 Exactly.

00:24:22.520 And he just happens to skip the speech and mosey on over to the very location that just happened to be that initial decisive breach location that kicked off the entire event.

00:24:39.220 And may I just ask you to verify, at one point, he's in this mosh pit of people. 0.97

00:24:49.880 He's not only not with his son, it appears that he has four protectors, or sorry, eight protectors with him, four behind him, four in front of him, kind of clearing the crowd so he can get up into the front of the crowd.

00:25:06.100 Is that right?

00:25:06.780 Yes, I'm aware of the video that you're saying, and I can say generally that his initial moniker for researchers into this was crowd control, because he was so proficient at controlling the crowds, being in the front lines, organizing movements of people.

00:25:29.860 And again, there's compilation video.

00:25:32.180 He's a Where's Waldo figure throughout the whole day.

00:25:34.820 He's everywhere.

00:25:35.480 He's directing, he's organizing the crowd.

00:25:38.840 He is a naturally commanding presence, and it's pretty clear, it's clear that this is not his first rodeo.

00:25:45.140 He's been around a long time, and in some other context, I might say he's a very impressive figure.

00:25:51.280 He's kind of a badass dude, if you look at some of his pictures from his history as a Marine and so forth.

00:25:59.420 But he was everywhere.

00:26:01.420 And there's actually another piece of funny footage that's in this piece I mentioned that's pretty rare of, this is on the evening of the 5th, of the crowd saying, you're not going to do anything.

00:26:14.840 You're not going to storm the Capitol, because he's telling people to go into the Capitol.

00:26:19.020 In one clip, he actually says we need to storm the Capitol.

00:26:21.880 And he's listening to these naysayers, and he has this grin on his face, like, I know something you don't know.

00:26:30.780 He puts his hand up, and he slaps his hand in the kind of talk-to-the-hand motion, like, wait and see, kid.

00:26:37.880 Wait and see what happens tomorrow, which is pretty amazing indeed.

00:26:46.580 All of the reports, I mean, the love puff piece from the New York Times, if I'm not mistaken, made him look like kind of almost a feeble old guy without his wife.

00:26:59.620 I mean, he's not a strong figure.

00:27:02.900 He's just a guy who was misguided by...

00:27:05.880 I mean, the excuse they will give no one else, including grandmothers, he was just misguided and misled by some very bad people.

00:27:18.000 No, and it's really amazing.

00:27:19.940 And another data point that's worth noting that gives a sense of just how aggressively the system is protecting him.

00:27:28.380 Not just the regime media, but people like Adam Kinzinger, the director of the J6 witch hunt, and even the DOJ and figures in the FBI, to give you a sense of how aggressively they're protecting him.

00:27:41.840 It's little spoken of that he was actually had a leadership role in the Oath Keepers, which is the most demonized and heavily prosecuted militia group associated with J6, at least until the recent Proud Boy sentencing.

00:27:58.220 And we have footage of him hanging out with Stuart Rhodes way back in the day in Arizona, just hanging out with him at marches, at a memorial service, at a brunch service.

00:28:14.440 And so it could be the case, it probably is that he had left the group since, but nonetheless, in every other context, anyone who is remotely associated with the Oath Keepers, the press, and the charging documents make a huge deal of this involvement to the point of extreme exaggeration.

00:28:35.600 And yet here we have a guy who, on paper, would be the perfect poster boy as the villain for this insurrection, the guy in camo gear with a Trump hat telling people to go into the Capitol, who is a leader in the Oath Keepers, where there's video of him hanging out with Stuart Rhodes, who was next to Tario, got the biggest sentence in J6 for seditious conspiracy.

00:29:01.500 And yet nobody even talks about that. It's not mentioned in the charging documents. It's completely kept out of media reports on Ray Epps and so forth.

00:29:11.540 So that gives you a sense of how aggressively they're defending him. And you're right. The New York Times did a puff piece on him. 60 Minutes did a sympathy segment on him.

00:29:20.560 It recently came out in a transcript of Stephen DeAntuono, the head of the FBI's investigation of J6 in D.C.

00:29:29.900 He was asked about Ray Epps. He said, quote, I feel awful for Ray Epps.

00:29:36.540 And then there were follow-up questions. And this individual who feels awful for Epps, the head of the FBI's investigation of J6 in D.C., who feels awful for Epps.

00:29:45.900 This is amazing. He was asked. Darren, thank you. Go ahead, quickly. Yeah.

00:29:51.360 He said, have you seen the video of Epps? And he said, no.

00:29:57.320 No, no. Darren, thank you so much for everything you do at Revolver News.

00:30:02.820 I'd like to have you come in and maybe we do a special on just what you know and all that you've gathered on Ray Epps.

00:30:09.720 Just go to revolver.news and you will see the lead story is on all of the videos.

00:30:16.680 And it's pretty amazing. Thank you so much.

00:30:19.880 Now, the reason why this is important is I'm not saying that he's a Fed.

00:30:24.160 I don't know. But I don't know why they're passing him by.

00:30:28.260 Because if you believe like I do, the people who were actually instigating and organizing and breaking windows and doing violence, those people should go to jail.

00:30:40.840 So, wait.

00:30:42.740 Why are the people that are trying to throw everybody in jail taking this guy and not throwing him in jail and giving him a severe sentence?

00:30:51.480 I don't know if it's because he's a Fed.

00:30:53.440 I just know I want actual justice for all involved.

00:30:57.860 So, the question remains, why is no justice being done here?

00:31:03.460 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:31:07.020 Douglas, may I call you Doug?

00:31:10.120 Doug, please.

00:31:10.880 Or do you go by Douglas?

00:31:12.160 Doug, okay.

00:31:13.220 May I call you Bob?

00:31:15.940 Hey, I'm on your show.

00:31:17.100 You call me whatever you want.

00:31:18.960 Okay.

00:31:19.400 Douglas Brunt, you have written this great, great book.

00:31:24.680 By the way, full disclosure, you are the husband of Megyn Kelly.

00:31:29.240 Not that that's important.

00:31:30.240 I just don't want somebody going, well, you know Megyn Kelly, and that's why you had him on.

00:31:34.360 I didn't.

00:31:35.280 I'm having Doug on because his book is fantastic.

00:31:40.140 And your wife did tell me, Glenn, I know this book was written for you.

00:31:44.680 I feel like it was, Doug.

00:31:46.440 Tell the story.

00:31:47.320 Well, it's funny you say that because as I was finishing it up, I spoke to my editor and I said,

00:31:53.100 we've got to get this book over to Glenn Beck because he is a student of history and I believe he will love it.

00:31:58.660 And maybe I'll get a chance to talk to him and talk to his listeners who also appreciate history.

00:32:03.080 Yeah, no, it's great.

00:32:04.540 It's great.

00:32:05.640 So, tell me the story.

00:32:07.540 Well, as you were suggesting, people have been mistakenly spelling diesel with a lowercase d.

00:32:12.700 You know, you don't do that with Ford, Chrysler, Benz.

00:32:15.160 And the reason for that is he was involved in the greatest reviews of the book have been really terrific and several have referred to it as the greatest caper of the 20th century.

00:32:25.440 And so, on the eve of World War I, September 29th, 1913, Rudolph Diesel was traveling from Belgium to Great Britain on an overnight passenger ferry and he disappears.

00:32:34.480 And it's hard to state the level of his global fame at this time.

00:32:40.320 And in today's standards, it would be like Elon Musk disappearing one day to the next.

00:32:45.560 And so, the newspapers around the world, the front page of the New York Times, all the papers through Western Europe, all the papers in Russia were covering this crazy disappearance of this celebrity inventor.

00:32:54.480 And, as you said, suicide was the prevailing theory, but there were also two theories of murder.

00:33:01.380 One, that either Kaiser Wilhelm II, the emperor of Germany, had dispatched agents to murder him.

00:33:06.840 Or, that John Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil and richest man in the world, had sent maybe a Pinkerton detective thug over there to murder him.

00:33:15.800 So, those were the theories.

00:33:17.860 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't tell me, because I'm only halfway through it, don't tell me the ending.

00:33:24.980 But do you come to a conclusion?

00:33:26.700 Yes, I do.

00:33:29.840 And the most I'll tell you now is, I'll only tell you, not suicide.

00:33:34.540 But by exploring the motive that each of these two had to kill him, and they each viewed diesel as an existential threat.

00:33:42.740 By exploring that in the quarter century leading up to World War I, you understand the period and what's going on and why diesel and the engine were so critical.

00:33:51.660 So, you know, you do a great job at explaining coal engines.

00:33:55.240 I had no idea how inefficient trains and ships were.

00:34:01.140 I, you know, I've seen you, you know, you've brought up the, um, uh, the Titanic movie.

00:34:07.100 And we've all seen it when he's like, let's open this up and see what she can do.

00:34:10.460 And they ring full speed ahead.

00:34:12.340 And you see all these people that are shoveling the coal in.

00:34:16.720 And you might think, wow, there's, they got to have a lot of space for coal and these engines are huge.

00:34:21.220 But I never thought of the, what, about 200 people all told between the mechanics and the shovelers, uh, that had to have room on the ship and the food that they had to have and the quarters they had to have.

00:34:33.820 And then how inefficient those engines were.

00:34:37.760 I had no idea.

00:34:38.920 Oh, it's amazing.

00:34:40.440 They would get back in the days of James Watt, you know, 1770s, you know, you would say the James Watt engine is as old as America.

00:34:46.780 Back then the metallurgy and the casting of the engines was so poor that they would use rope and leather to sort of bind the pipes.

00:34:53.120 So you can imagine how much pressure and heat can be lost in that.

00:34:55.580 And in those days out of a unit of fuel, they could get about 2% of energy in diesel's days.

00:35:00.760 When he was first starting the diesel engine, uh, steam engine could get, you know, six to 8%.

00:35:06.520 What diesel ultimately achieved with his diesel engine was closer to 40.

00:35:10.100 So it was just leaps and bounds in fuel efficiency.

00:35:13.860 Game changing.

00:35:14.520 Where is the diesel engine in relation to, uh, the Ford engine?

00:35:21.040 Because I always thought that the car engine, the combustion engine, that, that was developed at the same time of the car, but it, it wasn't.

00:35:29.660 It was actually, they actually, um, used, I mean, anything that would burn very, uh, flammable stuff, but that was actually at first, uh, to replace the steam engine.

00:35:43.320 Uh, and it came long before the car or just as the car.

00:35:46.840 And where did the diesel engine come in?

00:35:48.840 The, the auto engine, yeah, the auto cycle engine, which is the origins of sort of a gas burning engine.

00:35:56.120 Now initially was burning gaseous fuels like benzene, methane, methane, and things like that.

00:36:01.400 And, but those were low torque sort of, you know, very tiny engines.

00:36:07.060 And, you know, Benz used them in the 1870s, 80s in experimenting with his first cars, which really looked like a motorbike.

00:36:14.820 And they were, you know, half a horsepower, one horsepower.

00:36:17.900 They could never drive a ship and, and they really weren't used for that.

00:36:21.560 What, what ultimately became and remains to this day, the prime source of power in the world is the diesel engine.

00:36:30.400 It's incredible that I didn't know any of this stuff.

00:36:34.980 And he was as big of a name as he, as he was.

00:36:38.160 So he's on the ship, they find his, uh, his coat, um, folded up.

00:36:44.080 It's, it's so strange, Doug.

00:36:45.760 And I know this is personal and only to me, but the way you described that my mother, uh, committed suicide and it was on a boat and, um, it was a double suicide.

00:36:57.000 And the clothes were, uh, folded up and put right on the ledge of the ship.

00:37:02.780 And that's why we believe that it was suicide.

00:37:06.260 Um, and when I read that, I thought, wow, what a great way to cover a murder if you're doing it, because that does lead you to believe that.

00:37:15.740 It does, it does seem to mark the point where he went off the ship and it was, it was kind of set up to, to do that.

00:37:23.900 There's just so many inconsistencies with the story.

00:37:26.220 And, and as you read the book, you can, you can see the various holes, uh, in that, in that theory.

00:37:32.480 And then you can also see why the newspaper newspapers were speculating at that time that diesel might have been murdered by one of these two suspects.

00:37:41.320 Um, I think, uh, you know, if the book's going 60 miles an hour for you now, it's about to go 120 as you get into the investigation of it.

00:37:50.040 And, uh, I won't spoil anything, but I will tell you that in 1913, a diesel engine had emerged as the only option for the U-boat or the submarine.

00:37:58.880 And as you know, as, as a student of history, you know, we're in the middle of an Anglo-German naval arms race where Germany is growing by leaps and bounds.

00:38:06.440 And they feel they need colonies to support their growth, to bring natural resources back into the, the homeland.

00:38:11.700 So they're trying to build a Navy to rival Great Britain and have decided the U-boat is the way to go.

00:38:17.360 Rudolph was traveling across the North Sea on that day in September because he was going to be co-founder and board director of a new diesel engine manufacturing company in Great Britain,

00:38:26.300 whose mandate was to build diesels, submarine diesels for the Royal Navy.

00:38:30.440 So you can imagine the Kaiser was thinking hard.

00:38:32.700 No, right, right.

00:38:35.100 And he also, but he, I mean, he didn't stop it.

00:38:38.500 Um, diesel was also the guy who started the oil industry in Russia.

00:38:46.520 Uh, Nobel.

00:38:47.480 Yeah.

00:38:47.700 The Nobel family, Alfred Nobel's two older brothers.

00:38:51.440 Oh, okay.

00:38:52.280 And how was he involved?

00:38:53.680 I thought it was a diesel that did that.

00:38:56.540 How are they involved in any way?

00:38:58.840 The way that the diesel, yeah, they were actually in a, in a big way.

00:39:01.900 The diesel engine followed a standard licensing practice of that time, which was to license out the exclusive rights to manufacture and market the technology by national territory.

00:39:12.780 So in Russia, the Nobel family, which is another crazy story.

00:39:16.040 We only know Alfred Nobel, the inventor of dynamite, but he had two older brothers who manufactured arms and engines and steam boilers and things like that in Russia.

00:39:25.880 So they're Swedish by origin, but in Russia, and in order, they were going to find more wood for rifle stocks to fill an order for the czar of a hundred thousand rifles.

00:39:34.360 And then went down to the Caucasus region and discovered oil.

00:39:37.020 And they ended up founding the Russian oil industry.

00:39:40.600 And by 1900, they were bigger than standard oil.

00:39:43.440 The reason we don't know much about him now is Stalin came down there with a Bolshevik red army and kicked them all out and seized everything and renamed it the Soviet oil company and the Soviet engine manufacturing company.

00:39:55.360 But the Nobelists were also the exclusive manufacturer of diesel engines, built diesels for the, for the Russian Navy and for other things.

00:40:03.540 The cast of characters in the U.S., in the North America, the person who took the license for the diesel engine was Adolphus Bush, founder of Anheuser-Busch, and used the diesel engine to pump water for his breweries.

00:40:16.220 And also had a side business of building submarine diesels for the U.S. Navy.

00:40:21.560 And his, the, the diesel engine hasn't really changed that much, except now with computer chips and everything else, but it's still the basic thing, isn't it?

00:40:31.880 It is.

00:40:32.700 And it's funny, Glenn, the way I came into it is Megan and I bought a boat and it was an older boat, a little bigger, and I was going to do some work to fix it up.

00:40:40.540 And I was talking to this guy at the boat yard, you know, what should I do to fix this old boat up?

00:40:44.380 And he said, well, boat like this, you know, you really ought to get rid of these gasoline engines and put in diesel.

00:40:49.540 And at that time, this is eight years ago, I always thought of diesel as sort of the other fuel that the trucks use.

00:40:54.720 I didn't associate it with, certainly not a name and not even really a different kind of engine.

00:41:00.020 And he said, look, you can take, he said, the diesel fuel is completely stable.

00:41:04.180 I can take a lit match, drop it into a barrel of diesel fuel and nothing will happen.

00:41:07.740 It won't ignite.

00:41:08.740 It has no fumes.

00:41:09.900 A hundred percent of boat fires come from gasoline engines, zero from diesel.

00:41:14.380 And it gets four times the efficiency.

00:41:16.220 So on your 200 gallon tank, you can go four times as far.

00:41:19.500 So I repowered the diesel and that's how I got started with this whole thing eight years ago.

00:41:24.880 It is, it's a remarkable story.

00:41:27.140 Why do we not know about him now?

00:41:30.060 Why has he been lost to history?

00:41:34.160 Two reasons, I would say.

00:41:35.680 One is the presumption of suicide.

00:41:37.380 If you look him up in the Encyclopedia Britannica, it says suicide.

00:41:40.820 And there's just something that's kind of impairing to your legacy about all that.

00:41:45.900 And after he disappeared, others kind of moved in to try and seize some of the credit for his work unjustly.

00:41:51.720 But the other bigger reason you will soon get to because he is at the heart of this caper.

00:41:58.460 And so for reasons that you'll, and all readers will come to understand as they get into the back half of the book, he has been scrubbed from history.

00:42:09.260 It's remarkable.

00:42:10.480 It is absolutely remarkable.

00:42:12.060 I love, I love discovering history.

00:42:15.040 You know, it's fun.

00:42:15.980 Is that you must have had a blast researching this book.

00:42:18.440 Oh my gosh, so much fun.

00:42:21.060 There are so many interesting things about it.

00:42:23.720 I mean, one of the, one of the fascinating things about it, and I know you're doing some work on Rockefeller, who is our other suspect.

00:42:29.360 The reason Rockefeller viewed diesel as an existential threat is the diesel engine ran on a range of fuels.

00:42:36.640 Diesel won the 1900 Paris World's Fair on a diesel engine running peanut oil.

00:42:40.660 And he didn't need petroleum or any of Rockefeller's products.

00:42:44.420 And Rockefeller, when you think about from the founding of Standard Oil in 1870 to 1900, when he became the richest man in the world, he wasn't selling gasoline.

00:42:53.740 That was a waste product that they would get rid of.

00:42:55.540 They were selling kerosene for lighting.

00:42:57.560 But Rockefeller was in the illumination business.

00:42:59.960 And then along comes Edison and the electric light bulb, wipes out the prospects for the future of kerosene for illumination,

00:43:06.740 and threatened to do to Rockefeller what Rockefeller had done to the whaling business.

00:43:10.820 You know, he used to use whale blubber.

00:43:12.060 Then kerosene came in.

00:43:13.220 And then the light bulbs.

00:43:14.420 So Rockefeller is now searching around for new markets for revenue as the combustion engine is emerging as a major player.

00:43:21.100 And it can run on gasoline.

00:43:22.640 So suddenly his waste product is his new main product.

00:43:26.040 But diesel comes along and says, we don't need to do that.

00:43:28.760 We don't need to be beholden to petroleum in certain areas of the world that have that.

00:43:33.260 We have farmers.

00:43:33.920 We can grow our own fuel, vegetables and nuts, or it could even run on coal tar.

00:43:40.640 If you do the coking process with coal, you get this tar-like sludge, which is a great diesel fuel.

00:43:46.820 A great book.

00:43:48.040 Thank you so much, Doug.

00:43:49.080 We have to get together sometime because you would love to see the museum and the collection that we have down here.

00:43:56.900 And I think you could bring some insight to it as well.

00:43:59.680 Doug, thank you so much.

00:44:00.840 Would love that.

00:44:01.420 Glenn, thank you.

00:44:04.860 Thank you.

00:44:06.500 You're welcome.

00:44:07.260 You're welcome.

00:44:11.500 Thank you.

00:44:20.520 Bye.

00:44:21.560 Bye.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 22, 2023

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Darren Beattie & Douglas Brunt ｜ 9⧸22⧸23

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