Glenn Beck talks about Ray Epps and the sham of a prosecution, the deep state, the Ukraine, the Deep State, and much more. Glenn Beck is a conservative commentator and radio host who has been in the business for a long time. He is a frequent contributor on Fox News and conservative media and has been a frequent guest on conservative talk radio.
00:00:00.340Really good Friday podcast for you today. We have a little bit of history. We have the goods on Ray Epps and this sham of a prosecution.
00:00:13.140Also, kind of a recap of the week, if you will, of the way I've been feeling right at the beginning of the podcast, where we are in time and what do we believe in and what are we willing to do and what should we do?
00:00:27.080So, it's a really good beginning of the podcast and we end with Ron DeSantis. I talked to him about Ukraine. I talked to him about the border, the deep state, Donald Trump, all of it on today's podcast. Don't miss it.
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00:01:51.660I have, uh, I've had kind of a fun week. If you've been listening, uh, all week, you know, I, I've been a little, little on the edge, little on the edge to the point to where, I don't know,
00:02:04.820maybe I want to spend my life as a dog, you know, dog's life. It's very popular. I'll show you in a few minutes.
00:02:10.760What's, oh, what's happening with people who want to identify as a dog. Um, that is finally, we've gotten to the civil rights program, uh, gotten it to the place to where we can finally say what needs to be said.
00:02:23.760People can choose to be dogs. Um, but I've been, uh, I watched the news and I watch for things that the average person doesn't necessarily watch for.
00:02:34.640If you read my daily email newsletter, which is free every day, you can get it at glenbeck.com. If you read that, you see things that, um, media is not talking about, even conservative media, not talking about.
00:02:48.380And when you start to piece all these puzzle pieces together, you see a pretty bleak picture and we are at a place where the die has been cast.
00:03:02.840The Rubicon has been crossed. And we're here. And it is a battle. We are at war. We're in a spiritual war primarily.
00:03:17.580Um, and too many of us don't even know what that means anymore, but we are not fighting flesh and bone. We are fighting evil, true evil.
00:03:27.580Evil. And the longer we wait, the stronger evil will become the longer we, the longer we wait, uh, the more chance it comes to blows.
00:03:41.280And that will be the death of the Republic and the death of the American, um, you know, the American experiment. It will be over.
00:03:51.440And I don't know about you, but I am, I'm, I have children. I have four. I have grandchildren. I have two and I'm desperate for them to live a full, happy, comfortable life.
00:04:07.600Even if it means I give my life or I give up all that I have so they can have, and we overuse freedom and liberty. Nobody knows what that is.
00:04:19.420So they have opportunity, opportunity. That's all I want them to have.
00:04:31.480Honestly, it has been a very tough battle. And I know you feel the same way. I've at least had the luxury of, I was going to say fame and fortune, but fame is a curse.
00:04:47.420Uh, and so is fortune in many ways, but it, I mean, it's a nice way to go. If you're going to go to hell, it's a nice way to go, uh, with fortune.
00:04:56.420Um, but I've had a much more comfortable life. It's easier for me to think than it is probably for many in our audience because they are, they have the daily bills bearing down on them all day.
00:05:10.580So we all have our own things that we're carrying through. We've all been, you know, injured. We've all been foolish.
00:05:18.900And we've also been blessed enough to do some things that will prepare us.
00:05:26.020I've been sued. I so far haven't been arrested, but you know, I don't know what's going to happen next.
00:05:31.900I, I, you know, when they're arresting just anybody, when they can arrest attorneys for giving somebody advice, that's not illegal.
00:05:40.900We, you know, we don't know what's going to happen next.
00:05:46.900I have worked hard to serve the constitution. I've worked hard to serve my fellow man.
00:05:54.900I have served my God and I can't even say to the best of my ability, but I have tried.
00:06:02.900But I have tried and moment, you know, momentarily, occasionally, once in a while, I forgive myself for being proud of what I've created because I didn't create it.
00:06:16.160I was allowed an opportunity in America.
00:06:20.580God gave me certain abilities and I'm a lucky man.
00:09:43.280I mean, unless you're with Marxist and pedophiles and child mutation, you know, mutilation, you know, go ahead.
00:09:52.060But then I oppose what you believe because I am for children being children.
00:10:01.280I am for children having innocence in their childhood.
00:10:06.460I am for children being safe from predators.
00:10:10.640And I know we fight with doctors by our side.
00:10:16.160There are doctors all over the country that are against this and standing up and risking their license to stand up and say, no, no mutilation of children.
00:10:27.880No, you don't have to take the vaccine.
00:10:31.100No, you should be able to consult with your doctor.
00:10:34.780And if you have a different treatment that you want to try, you should be able to try it.
00:10:40.740There are doctors who know first do no harm.
00:10:43.660Scientists, the scientists that are standing up, that know that science is based on provable fact and that science is always wrong until new fact or only right until new facts come along, which makes the old science outdated and wrong.
00:11:04.460Scientists that know that the military industrial complex wasn't all that Eisenhower warned about.
00:11:12.280He warned about the military industrial complex becoming so big that it can control Congress, that we would be in never ending wars.
00:11:19.740But he also warned us about education, getting into bed with the government and training a whole new generation to be slaves of an out of control government.
00:11:30.700He warned of a scientific complex where our scientists would no longer be able to think individually because so much of the study would be funded by the government, which was looking for answers that they wanted.
00:11:46.620When we fight today, we fight with the scientists who know that and will stand up and say, no, this is wrong.
00:13:12.020We're now fighting with actors and actresses and writers and directors and gaffers and cinematographers and stage people that have had enough of the insanity that are now coming to something even newer than the new media.
00:13:30.640And that is the new Hollywood, for lack of a better term.
00:13:35.600We have seen amazing advances from the Jesus Revolution to the Chosen.
00:13:44.320Those are not low-quality conservative films.
00:14:15.360We fight with the members of the Freedom Caucus.
00:14:18.080And there are many others in Washington, in Congress, in the Senate, that are actually fighting.
00:14:24.960We are also fighting with others in Washington, like whistleblowers.
00:14:30.440Have you noticed the number of whistleblowers?
00:14:34.640And we also fight with people who are silently standing in place, not abandoning their posts and trying to protect what they can from the inside.
00:14:48.540We fight for the rule of law, the Constitution.
00:14:52.120We fight for the rights of all mankind.
00:15:00.380We fight with posts on Facebook and X and Instagram, blah, blah, blah, a hundred other places.
00:17:35.340Now, there are a number of things to say about this.
00:17:37.160One is just how obviously desperate and bungling this is as a cover-up attempt, as a last gasp effort to salvage the absolutely crumbling narrative surrounding Ray Epps, specifically in the Fed's direction generally.
00:17:56.060So, just a couple of things about this indictment, which is a misdemeanor, guilty plea deal for a single offense, which is disorderly conduct and restricted grounds.
00:18:08.360So, there are two things to say about this initially.
00:18:15.240And to get a sense of how weak it is, you need to compare it to charges other defendants face for far less egregious behavior.
00:18:24.480In just about every case, anyone who did remotely what Epps did, leave aside the Epps telling people to go into capital in advance.
00:18:32.420Just his movements in the restricted zones.
00:18:36.540That would have come with an obstruction of an official proceeding charge, which is a felony.
00:18:41.640And there are a number of other charges, which the DOJ could easily have given Epps if they wanted, from very early on, ranging all the way up to conspiracy, which is some of the more serious charges.
00:18:55.040It's worth noting that Enrique Tarrio, some of these Proud Boys sentencing, which is really just the perfect contrast with Epps' misdemeanor.
00:19:04.660Enrique Tarrio, who got the most severe sentence in all of January 6th, 22-year sentence, he wasn't at the Capitol.
00:19:16.160And yet, he got convicted of seditious conspiracy.
00:19:20.280So the people saying, oh, Epps didn't go into the Capitol, that's why.
00:19:23.880No, it has nothing to do with not going into the Capitol.
00:19:25.980The biggest sentence things were for people who didn't go into the Capitol, one of whom wasn't even in D.C.
00:19:31.860And those were the conspiracy charges.
00:19:34.440And the great irony is, even though I would say, after having read the charging documents, the evidence is very flimsy against Tarrio and others for those serious charges,
00:19:45.080Ray Epps is the only one of them who has actually acknowledged his role in a conspiracy with the literal text message to his nephew saying, I orchestrated it.
00:19:55.760So everybody's being charged with conspiracy, except for the guy who explicitly acknowledged the role in orchestrating it.
00:20:04.340And justifiably so, because the video evidence is astonishing.
00:20:09.560And people can go to revolver.news now.
00:20:11.520The very top piece has some very rare footage.
00:20:14.740You know, there's the stuff that everyone has seen, but there's some rare stuff that really contextualizes the focus, the term determination,
00:20:22.780and the extent to which he was just on this mission to get people in the Capitol.
00:20:27.380There's amazing things from the evening before.
00:20:30.160We've all seen that we need to go into the Capitol.
00:20:35.440Anytime a group was talking about anything other than the Capitol, he was there to redirect them to the point that, in one instance, he stated,
00:20:43.400our enemy is the Capitol, as though he traveled across the country to vent his vendetta against neoclassical architecture.
00:20:58.740And the thought that the regime press would cover this as though this slap on the wrist charge two years and eight months after January 6th, that's the other thing.
00:21:27.820It's not like this weird scenario where they just heard of him because they just happened to stumble on a Revolver news piece, you know, a week ago.
00:21:35.000No, they've been aware of him since the very beginning, and they've considered his behavior so egregious as to warrant being put as one of the first 20 people on the most wanted list.
00:21:46.120They took his name off quietly, literally the day after our second big piece on federal involvement in January 6th.
00:21:54.940So it's too little, it's too late, we all see it for what it is, and it fits this pattern of almost unimaginable incompetence where if they were smart, the Epps case is so bad for them, it's like the worst thing they could possibly talk about.
00:22:12.720But if they were smart, they would do everything they could to keep Epps out of the news cycle, period.
00:22:18.120They wouldn't re-up him in our consciousness and remind us of what a sham January 6th was with desperate attempts like a misdemeanor charge almost three years after January 6th.
00:22:30.720So the amazing thing is, is he said he came to Washington because he was a big Trump supporter, but he didn't attend the Trump rally.
00:22:41.240He was at the Capitol before Trump even finished his speech, and he was already appeared to be preparing the way for the entrance of everybody into the Capitol.
00:22:58.620Absolutely. It's even crazier than that.
00:23:02.040So in this piece I'm talking about that's at the top of Revolver now, we go through his entire workings the evening before, then the next day on the 6th, keep in mind, Trump didn't start speaking.
00:23:14.460He wasn't set to start speaking until noon.
00:23:16.640We have Ray Epps before 10, so over two hours before, hanging around the entrance to where the speech would be, directing people to go to the Capitol.
00:23:33.740The Capitol is where our problems are, over and over and over.
00:23:36.740And like you said, despite what he told authorities, you know, he in interviews with authorities, both the J6 committee and the FBI, he told them the whole reason he traveled all the way across the country was that his son wanted to go to the Trump speech.
00:23:53.520And he was there to protect his son because he had some premonition that there would be explosives planted on side streets near the Capitol, which is an amazing premonition.
00:24:04.580And the people didn't even ask him follow up questions about the pipe bombs, which is another story altogether.
00:24:09.520But he ends up, as you point out, not going to the Trump speech and abandoning his son.
00:24:22.520And he just happens to skip the speech and mosey on over to the very location that just happened to be that initial decisive breach location that kicked off the entire event.
00:24:39.220And may I just ask you to verify, at one point, he's in this mosh pit of people.
00:24:49.880He's not only not with his son, it appears that he has four protectors, or sorry, eight protectors with him, four behind him, four in front of him, kind of clearing the crowd so he can get up into the front of the crowd.
00:25:06.780Yes, I'm aware of the video that you're saying, and I can say generally that his initial moniker for researchers into this was crowd control, because he was so proficient at controlling the crowds, being in the front lines, organizing movements of people.
00:26:01.420And there's actually another piece of funny footage that's in this piece I mentioned that's pretty rare of, this is on the evening of the 5th, of the crowd saying, you're not going to do anything.
00:26:14.840You're not going to storm the Capitol, because he's telling people to go into the Capitol.
00:26:19.020In one clip, he actually says we need to storm the Capitol.
00:26:21.880And he's listening to these naysayers, and he has this grin on his face, like, I know something you don't know.
00:26:30.780He puts his hand up, and he slaps his hand in the kind of talk-to-the-hand motion, like, wait and see, kid.
00:26:37.880Wait and see what happens tomorrow, which is pretty amazing indeed.
00:26:46.580All of the reports, I mean, the love puff piece from the New York Times, if I'm not mistaken, made him look like kind of almost a feeble old guy without his wife.
00:27:19.940And another data point that's worth noting that gives a sense of just how aggressively the system is protecting him.
00:27:28.380Not just the regime media, but people like Adam Kinzinger, the director of the J6 witch hunt, and even the DOJ and figures in the FBI, to give you a sense of how aggressively they're protecting him.
00:27:41.840It's little spoken of that he was actually had a leadership role in the Oath Keepers, which is the most demonized and heavily prosecuted militia group associated with J6, at least until the recent Proud Boy sentencing.
00:27:58.220And we have footage of him hanging out with Stuart Rhodes way back in the day in Arizona, just hanging out with him at marches, at a memorial service, at a brunch service.
00:28:14.440And so it could be the case, it probably is that he had left the group since, but nonetheless, in every other context, anyone who is remotely associated with the Oath Keepers, the press, and the charging documents make a huge deal of this involvement to the point of extreme exaggeration.
00:28:35.600And yet here we have a guy who, on paper, would be the perfect poster boy as the villain for this insurrection, the guy in camo gear with a Trump hat telling people to go into the Capitol, who is a leader in the Oath Keepers, where there's video of him hanging out with Stuart Rhodes, who was next to Tario, got the biggest sentence in J6 for seditious conspiracy.
00:29:01.500And yet nobody even talks about that. It's not mentioned in the charging documents. It's completely kept out of media reports on Ray Epps and so forth.
00:29:11.540So that gives you a sense of how aggressively they're defending him. And you're right. The New York Times did a puff piece on him. 60 Minutes did a sympathy segment on him.
00:29:20.560It recently came out in a transcript of Stephen DeAntuono, the head of the FBI's investigation of J6 in D.C.
00:29:29.900He was asked about Ray Epps. He said, quote, I feel awful for Ray Epps.
00:29:36.540And then there were follow-up questions. And this individual who feels awful for Epps, the head of the FBI's investigation of J6 in D.C., who feels awful for Epps.
00:29:45.900This is amazing. He was asked. Darren, thank you. Go ahead, quickly. Yeah.
00:29:51.360He said, have you seen the video of Epps? And he said, no.
00:29:57.320No, no. Darren, thank you so much for everything you do at Revolver News.
00:30:02.820I'd like to have you come in and maybe we do a special on just what you know and all that you've gathered on Ray Epps.
00:30:09.720Just go to revolver.news and you will see the lead story is on all of the videos.
00:30:16.680And it's pretty amazing. Thank you so much.
00:30:19.880Now, the reason why this is important is I'm not saying that he's a Fed.
00:30:24.160I don't know. But I don't know why they're passing him by.
00:30:28.260Because if you believe like I do, the people who were actually instigating and organizing and breaking windows and doing violence, those people should go to jail.
00:30:42.740Why are the people that are trying to throw everybody in jail taking this guy and not throwing him in jail and giving him a severe sentence?
00:30:51.480I don't know if it's because he's a Fed.
00:30:53.440I just know I want actual justice for all involved.
00:30:57.860So, the question remains, why is no justice being done here?
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00:32:07.540Well, as you were suggesting, people have been mistakenly spelling diesel with a lowercase d.
00:32:12.700You know, you don't do that with Ford, Chrysler, Benz.
00:32:15.160And the reason for that is he was involved in the greatest reviews of the book have been really terrific and several have referred to it as the greatest caper of the 20th century.
00:32:25.440And so, on the eve of World War I, September 29th, 1913, Rudolph Diesel was traveling from Belgium to Great Britain on an overnight passenger ferry and he disappears.
00:32:34.480And it's hard to state the level of his global fame at this time.
00:32:40.320And in today's standards, it would be like Elon Musk disappearing one day to the next.
00:32:45.560And so, the newspapers around the world, the front page of the New York Times, all the papers through Western Europe, all the papers in Russia were covering this crazy disappearance of this celebrity inventor.
00:32:54.480And, as you said, suicide was the prevailing theory, but there were also two theories of murder.
00:33:01.380One, that either Kaiser Wilhelm II, the emperor of Germany, had dispatched agents to murder him.
00:33:06.840Or, that John Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil and richest man in the world, had sent maybe a Pinkerton detective thug over there to murder him.
00:33:29.840And the most I'll tell you now is, I'll only tell you, not suicide.
00:33:34.540But by exploring the motive that each of these two had to kill him, and they each viewed diesel as an existential threat.
00:33:42.740By exploring that in the quarter century leading up to World War I, you understand the period and what's going on and why diesel and the engine were so critical.
00:33:51.660So, you know, you do a great job at explaining coal engines.
00:33:55.240I had no idea how inefficient trains and ships were.
00:34:01.140I, you know, I've seen you, you know, you've brought up the, um, uh, the Titanic movie.
00:34:07.100And we've all seen it when he's like, let's open this up and see what she can do.
00:34:12.340And you see all these people that are shoveling the coal in.
00:34:16.720And you might think, wow, there's, they got to have a lot of space for coal and these engines are huge.
00:34:21.220But I never thought of the, what, about 200 people all told between the mechanics and the shovelers, uh, that had to have room on the ship and the food that they had to have and the quarters they had to have.
00:34:33.820And then how inefficient those engines were.
00:35:14.520Where is the diesel engine in relation to, uh, the Ford engine?
00:35:21.040Because I always thought that the car engine, the combustion engine, that, that was developed at the same time of the car, but it, it wasn't.
00:35:29.660It was actually, they actually, um, used, I mean, anything that would burn very, uh, flammable stuff, but that was actually at first, uh, to replace the steam engine.
00:35:43.320Uh, and it came long before the car or just as the car.
00:35:46.840And where did the diesel engine come in?
00:35:48.840The, the auto engine, yeah, the auto cycle engine, which is the origins of sort of a gas burning engine.
00:35:56.120Now initially was burning gaseous fuels like benzene, methane, methane, and things like that.
00:36:01.400And, but those were low torque sort of, you know, very tiny engines.
00:36:07.060And, you know, Benz used them in the 1870s, 80s in experimenting with his first cars, which really looked like a motorbike.
00:36:14.820And they were, you know, half a horsepower, one horsepower.
00:36:17.900They could never drive a ship and, and they really weren't used for that.
00:36:21.560What, what ultimately became and remains to this day, the prime source of power in the world is the diesel engine.
00:36:30.400It's incredible that I didn't know any of this stuff.
00:36:34.980And he was as big of a name as he, as he was.
00:36:38.160So he's on the ship, they find his, uh, his coat, um, folded up.
00:36:45.760And I know this is personal and only to me, but the way you described that my mother, uh, committed suicide and it was on a boat and, um, it was a double suicide.
00:36:57.000And the clothes were, uh, folded up and put right on the ledge of the ship.
00:37:02.780And that's why we believe that it was suicide.
00:37:06.260Um, and when I read that, I thought, wow, what a great way to cover a murder if you're doing it, because that does lead you to believe that.
00:37:15.740It does, it does seem to mark the point where he went off the ship and it was, it was kind of set up to, to do that.
00:37:23.900There's just so many inconsistencies with the story.
00:37:26.220And, and as you read the book, you can, you can see the various holes, uh, in that, in that theory.
00:37:32.480And then you can also see why the newspaper newspapers were speculating at that time that diesel might have been murdered by one of these two suspects.
00:37:41.320Um, I think, uh, you know, if the book's going 60 miles an hour for you now, it's about to go 120 as you get into the investigation of it.
00:37:50.040And, uh, I won't spoil anything, but I will tell you that in 1913, a diesel engine had emerged as the only option for the U-boat or the submarine.
00:37:58.880And as you know, as, as a student of history, you know, we're in the middle of an Anglo-German naval arms race where Germany is growing by leaps and bounds.
00:38:06.440And they feel they need colonies to support their growth, to bring natural resources back into the, the homeland.
00:38:11.700So they're trying to build a Navy to rival Great Britain and have decided the U-boat is the way to go.
00:38:17.360Rudolph was traveling across the North Sea on that day in September because he was going to be co-founder and board director of a new diesel engine manufacturing company in Great Britain,
00:38:26.300whose mandate was to build diesels, submarine diesels for the Royal Navy.
00:38:30.440So you can imagine the Kaiser was thinking hard.
00:38:58.840The way that the diesel, yeah, they were actually in a, in a big way.
00:39:01.900The diesel engine followed a standard licensing practice of that time, which was to license out the exclusive rights to manufacture and market the technology by national territory.
00:39:12.780So in Russia, the Nobel family, which is another crazy story.
00:39:16.040We only know Alfred Nobel, the inventor of dynamite, but he had two older brothers who manufactured arms and engines and steam boilers and things like that in Russia.
00:39:25.880So they're Swedish by origin, but in Russia, and in order, they were going to find more wood for rifle stocks to fill an order for the czar of a hundred thousand rifles.
00:39:34.360And then went down to the Caucasus region and discovered oil.
00:39:37.020And they ended up founding the Russian oil industry.
00:39:40.600And by 1900, they were bigger than standard oil.
00:39:43.440The reason we don't know much about him now is Stalin came down there with a Bolshevik red army and kicked them all out and seized everything and renamed it the Soviet oil company and the Soviet engine manufacturing company.
00:39:55.360But the Nobelists were also the exclusive manufacturer of diesel engines, built diesels for the, for the Russian Navy and for other things.
00:40:03.540The cast of characters in the U.S., in the North America, the person who took the license for the diesel engine was Adolphus Bush, founder of Anheuser-Busch, and used the diesel engine to pump water for his breweries.
00:40:16.220And also had a side business of building submarine diesels for the U.S. Navy.
00:40:21.560And his, the, the diesel engine hasn't really changed that much, except now with computer chips and everything else, but it's still the basic thing, isn't it?
00:40:32.700And it's funny, Glenn, the way I came into it is Megan and I bought a boat and it was an older boat, a little bigger, and I was going to do some work to fix it up.
00:40:40.540And I was talking to this guy at the boat yard, you know, what should I do to fix this old boat up?
00:40:44.380And he said, well, boat like this, you know, you really ought to get rid of these gasoline engines and put in diesel.
00:40:49.540And at that time, this is eight years ago, I always thought of diesel as sort of the other fuel that the trucks use.
00:40:54.720I didn't associate it with, certainly not a name and not even really a different kind of engine.
00:41:00.020And he said, look, you can take, he said, the diesel fuel is completely stable.
00:41:04.180I can take a lit match, drop it into a barrel of diesel fuel and nothing will happen.
00:41:37.380If you look him up in the Encyclopedia Britannica, it says suicide.
00:41:40.820And there's just something that's kind of impairing to your legacy about all that.
00:41:45.900And after he disappeared, others kind of moved in to try and seize some of the credit for his work unjustly.
00:41:51.720But the other bigger reason you will soon get to because he is at the heart of this caper.
00:41:58.460And so for reasons that you'll, and all readers will come to understand as they get into the back half of the book, he has been scrubbed from history.
00:42:21.060There are so many interesting things about it.
00:42:23.720I mean, one of the, one of the fascinating things about it, and I know you're doing some work on Rockefeller, who is our other suspect.
00:42:29.360The reason Rockefeller viewed diesel as an existential threat is the diesel engine ran on a range of fuels.
00:42:36.640Diesel won the 1900 Paris World's Fair on a diesel engine running peanut oil.
00:42:40.660And he didn't need petroleum or any of Rockefeller's products.
00:42:44.420And Rockefeller, when you think about from the founding of Standard Oil in 1870 to 1900, when he became the richest man in the world, he wasn't selling gasoline.
00:42:53.740That was a waste product that they would get rid of.
00:42:55.540They were selling kerosene for lighting.
00:42:57.560But Rockefeller was in the illumination business.
00:42:59.960And then along comes Edison and the electric light bulb, wipes out the prospects for the future of kerosene for illumination,
00:43:06.740and threatened to do to Rockefeller what Rockefeller had done to the whaling business.
00:43:10.820You know, he used to use whale blubber.