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00:00:00.000 Welcome to the podcast. Today we look into a new development on the origin story of the coronavirus.

00:00:08.560 Did it come from a lab? Was it partially funded by the United States, at least as far as their

00:00:14.000 research that may have run out of control? We look into that. We look into the future for Disney.

00:00:21.420 Pat Gray is joining us and he paints an unbelievable picture of what the future for

00:00:27.520 the Disney Corporation is. I mean, really all of their businesses are shut down right now. It's

00:00:31.820 kind of a disaster. Dave Rubin has a new book out. It's called Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for

00:00:35.980 Yourself in the Age of Unreason. He joins the show today for an extended interview. Also, he will be

00:00:42.460 joining my show, Stu Does America, tonight to talk about the book as well. And we go into a story,

00:00:48.960 a bizarre one, from Kentucky, where a family was trying to go to the bank and wound up in a giant

00:01:00.960 fight with law enforcement and the bank itself and child services and all of these crazy things.

00:01:08.300 They weren't at the bank to rob it, which might be your first guess. It's much different than that.

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00:01:46.060 I love it. So there was a Newsweek article that came out. Dr. Fauci backed controversial

00:01:53.640 Wuhan lab with millions of US dollars for risky coronavirus research.

00:01:58.420 Okay, so what does this story really mean? Let me give it to you in case you haven't heard.

00:02:06.840 Last year, the NIH, or actually the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases,

00:02:14.280 led by funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on,

00:02:24.820 listen to this phrase, gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses. I'll explain that here in a

00:02:31.920 second. In 2019, with the backing of National Institute of Health Aid, the National Institute

00:02:38.540 of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function

00:02:45.220 work. The program followed another 3.7 five-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses,

00:02:52.220 which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million. Our taxpayer dollars went to that

00:02:59.940 laboratory in Wuhan. Now, many scientists have criticized gain-of-function research,

00:03:07.340 which involves manipulating viruses in a lab to explore their potential for infecting humans.

00:03:13.240 The reason why scientists have been against this is because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic

00:03:18.380 from an accidental release. Fauci did not respond to Newsweek's request for comment. All he said was,

00:03:31.480 most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public

00:03:35.780 health and biosecurity in the U.S. and globally, as demonstrated by SARS epidemic and current COVID-19.

00:03:41.280 Scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory.

00:03:46.040 Yeah, that doesn't answer the question, because nobody is really claiming that this was created

00:03:51.240 in a laboratory. What they're claiming is this was being researched in a laboratory, and somebody got

00:03:59.080 sloppy. Exactly what other scientists warned about. The NHA research consisted of two parts. The first

00:04:09.560 involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses and had a budget of 3.7 million. Now, the surveillance of the bat 0.98

00:04:20.540 coronavirus means they were watching it, and they needed to collect samples. We know that that's what

00:04:26.340 the Chinese did. At least they played that video. Stu, when did that video play? Was it in December or November?

00:04:32.200 We played it on one of our episodes, and we'll have to find it later. But we played it on one of our

00:04:40.760 episodes where the... Do we have it? Just run it in the background, because I think it's all in Chinese.

00:04:46.020 This was what was on the TV network, the national network of China. And here you see the scientists and

00:04:54.620 these bats live in caves that only places that scientists can go can reach them. We can find the

00:05:01.680 most ideal coronavirus. Most bats living here are horseshoe bats. Hmm. If we keep our skin bare, we can

00:05:09.680 keep... We can get into contact with the feces, which is highly risky here. Okay? That's what they're

00:05:14.940 saying. Isn't that in Chinese? Is it always... Is it only just there that get contact with feces is 0.88

00:05:19.580 highly risky? I feel like that's a statement you can kind of make really for any situation. On bats in

00:05:24.040 general. Yeah. I think bats in general. Bats, humans, dogs, really anything you should try to

00:05:28.240 not touch the feces of things. General policy. Yeah, I think so. I think that's a pretty good

00:05:35.640 rule of thumb. Anyway, okay, so that's the first part. And we know that they did that.

00:05:40.680 The second phase, this is the real problem. Included in additional surveillance work, but also

00:05:48.560 gain-of-function research. Now, what is gain-of-function? Well, here's what the proposal

00:05:55.500 from the NIH says. We will use S-protein sequence data, infectious clone technology in vitro and in

00:06:05.540 vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that percentage

00:06:12.340 divergence thresholds in S-protein sequences predicts spillover potential. Now, I'm a doctor

00:06:20.380 and a scientist, so I, of course, know what that means. But in case you don't, spillover potential

00:06:28.920 is just referring to the ability of the virus to jump from animals to human. And that requires that

00:06:37.300 the virus be able to attach to the receptors in our cells as humans. So, this is what happened with

00:06:45.840 SARS. It is able to bind at our receptors in our cells, in our lungs and other organs. This is also

00:06:55.820 what COVID-19 is doing. It's a jump from the bat into humans. Now, here's the problem.

00:07:04.000 The infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, his name is Richard Ebright,

00:07:13.100 he says, these are experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells

00:07:20.560 and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, he says,

00:07:27.220 this is kind of noteworthy. Along with two other two, I'm sorry, 200 other scientists, they have been

00:07:35.220 vocal against gain of function research because it risks creation of a pandemic through accidental

00:07:43.000 release from a lab. Now, here's the problem that I have. Stu, do you remember we talked to, I think his

00:07:47.800 name was Ken Alback. This is 20 years ago, maybe. I'm looking for him to see if he's still alive. But he was

00:07:54.300 one of the first defectors of the Soviet Union after the wall came down. He couldn't wait to get out and

00:08:02.320 go to the West. He was a guy who accidentally became the head of the bioweapons program. And what they did 0.79

00:08:14.780 was communist countries go and they look for viruses that can't be cured. Then they experiment them,

00:08:23.040 experiment them on them to see how they can make them in an aerosol or or make it spread faster as a

00:08:31.160 bioweapon. The United States, however, does the exact opposite. We do look for viruses, but we look for

00:08:39.820 cures. We don't develop any bioweapon. At least this is what we believe. We don't we don't develop

00:08:47.320 any bioweapon unless it we have a cure. So we go and we'll look at Ebola, but we try to cure it.

00:08:55.140 Then we may say, can we make this into a weapon as long as we have the cure? Soviets and other 0.98

00:09:03.700 Chinese communist countries, they go the opposite way. They try to make it more virile and more deadly 1.00

00:09:12.700 and then weaponize it. They don't believe that anything with a cure is a good weapon.

00:09:19.300 So the other problem is the reason why this guy became the head of the bio research weapon program

00:09:28.040 is because his boss died as they were trying to weaponize Ebola. They're extraordinarily sloppy

00:09:37.040 and they have poor protocol in in communist countries, unlike the United States, which leads the world in

00:09:45.740 this kind of security. Why would we give money to a weapons lab that we had already said is trouble?

00:09:55.760 Why would we give money for something on research to a Chinese government? If the NIH wants to study 0.92

00:10:02.600 this thing, then study it here. Why would we give it to China, which has already proven itself to be 0.99

00:10:08.960 unworthy of being able to handle this kind of stuff? Now, here's the biggest problem. The media is

00:10:17.540 jumping through hoops. Washington Post was the new coronavirus accidentally released from a Wuhan lab. 0.93

00:10:25.380 It's doubtful. Yahoo. Trump administration pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab

00:10:33.380 at the heart of the conspiracy theories. Vox. Why these scientists still doubt the coronavirus leaked

00:10:40.120 from the Chinese lab? CNN, New York Times. Top administration officials have pushed intelligence

00:10:46.040 agencies to link coronavirus to Chinese labs. Why are these organizations so eager to say what Trump is

00:10:58.280 now saying? Friday, he pulled back from the lab. What happened was they had a ban on this that Obama had put in.

00:11:06.200 It lapsed and Fauci just went through and did it secretly. That's the story, at least at this point.

00:11:14.700 So why why does the press not want this to be true?

00:11:20.280 Is it possible that Jeff Bezos with the Washington Post has too many business deals with China?

00:11:30.580 Is it possible that NBC Universal, which is owned by Comcast, has too many business deals?

00:11:40.040 They were going all in. They've got a new theme park that is opening in Beijing, supposed to open this year.

00:11:46.340 Also, the Chinese consul general made a visit to Comcast headquarters on February 2017 as the travel

00:11:55.340 restrictions began to be imposed due to the coronavirus. The same travel restrictions that

00:12:00.880 China and the WHO are trying to shoot down when that was happening. That's when Comcast met

00:12:07.400 with the consul general at their headquarters. After that meeting, China released a statement and they

00:12:18.920 specifically talked about the theme park for Universal. Is it possible that there is some sort of a deal

00:12:27.360 that goes on there? Is it possible that something else is happening with Comcast and our media?

00:12:33.820 Is it possible the reason why Google and YouTube are censoring any anything? How can we possibly talk

00:12:42.100 about this if YouTube and Google say that this is a conspiracy theory? I mean, I don't know about you,

00:12:51.080 but I don't know what I know about the coronavirus. This is the weirdest news story. The more I read,

00:12:57.460 the more I know, the less I know. I'm not sure of any fact anymore. Are you? Stu? Are you sure of

00:13:08.360 anything at this point? It's a really limited amount of things you can be entirely sure of. Like,

00:13:15.560 I would have probably said pretty recently that I was pretty sure that the most common effect of

00:13:24.100 coronavirus, this coronavirus was fever. The most common symptom was fever. And then a report comes

00:13:30.280 out. It's like, actually, it's not 80% of people who are coming in that have fever. It's 30%.

00:13:36.060 It's like, wait a minute. This is the most basic. We have drones. They're defecting. The president

00:13:43.640 walks from room to room and he gets his fever. He gets his temperature checked. Exactly. I thought

00:13:47.700 that was the first sign. And again, like, I don't know. We may find out that that study's wrong and

00:13:52.340 that it was right all along. But they shake your foundation on this constantly. All the time.

00:13:57.640 It's very difficult to understand what is going on. And, you know, there's no new day. There's a

00:14:02.620 new study. Like, I'm pretty sure right now, as I say this, I'm pretty sure that the idea that you're

00:14:08.340 going to get this outdoors in almost every circumstance is very unlikely. Like, if you're in a

00:14:15.900 place that has good ventilation and you're outdoors, winds blowing, like, unless you're

00:14:23.060 screaming into somebody's face or sneezing into somebody's face and they're breathing in

00:14:26.800 heavily, like, the chances of it happening are very, very low. It seems like that.

00:14:31.140 Especially if you're six feet away, for sure.

00:14:34.760 Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, exactly.

00:14:36.340 And it's a sunny day. A hot, sunny day.

00:14:39.460 Exactly. I mean, it's like...

00:14:40.900 All the research lines up behind that right now. However, am I sure that next week they're

00:14:46.620 going to come out with a story that the only place you can get it is outside? I wouldn't

00:14:49.800 be surprised at this point. I would not even be surprised.

00:14:52.660 Right. I mean, this is the craziest thing. We have shut down the entire world. We are now

00:14:58.680 banning certain theories on this. And that's all we have. We don't have the truth on this.

00:15:06.120 We have no idea what the truth is of the coronavirus. Science hasn't been settled on this.

00:15:12.600 So it is. It's so incredibly frustrating. And I think that's what leads people to say.

00:15:23.880 Conspiracy theories or or leads people to say enough is enough. Enough is enough. You guys still

00:15:30.700 don't have any idea. And you're telling me I could die if I go to work. But I got news for you.

00:15:37.480 I'm going to die. My business is going to die. My children are going to be living in the poor house

00:15:43.240 if you don't let me go back to work. You guys don't know what the hell you're even talking about. 0.78

00:15:48.700 And I can't trust the media to tell me the truth. I think that is happening in America.

00:15:53.980 And somebody needs to address it.

00:15:56.900 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:16:00.700 Hey, welcome up to the program, Mr. Dave Rubin.

00:16:07.240 How are you, Dave, from the Rubin Report?

00:16:10.120 Beck, it's good to be with you. You know, I heard your intro and you were talking about how we don't

00:16:14.880 know who to trust. And I have to ask you a question first, which is as one of the few people that I

00:16:20.540 trust, what the hell am I doing in California? Why am I here? Why am I giving these people all my money?

00:16:27.620 I can't even go to the beach anymore. Why wouldn't you be here?

00:16:32.280 I have been telling you for a year. I have a very nice studio complex.

00:16:36.640 Used to be the Paramount movie lot in Texas. Plenty of room.

00:16:41.240 What are you doing in in in California? It's insane.

00:16:45.260 You know, I jokingly, well, it's barely a joke. I half jokingly tweeted the other day, you know,

00:16:51.300 I'm frustrated with California and they've got helicopters monitoring the beach. And why?

00:16:55.240 Why am I here if I can't go to the beach? Which, by the way, everyone in SoCal, especially

00:16:59.020 this weekend was 85, not a cloud in the sky. It could not have been more of a perfect Southern

00:17:05.140 California day. The exact type of day that is the only reason people live here and pay all the taxes

00:17:10.520 and everything else. And of course, we're all trapped in our houses. So I tweeted out something

00:17:14.160 like, you know, if I can't go to the beaches, well, then Texas and Florida and, you know,

00:17:19.540 a couple other states are looking pretty good. And I tagged Ted Cruz. So I'm hoping that maybe

00:17:24.000 you fine people will put together, put together a package because you guys do have phenomenal

00:17:30.360 studios. I work with the blaze already. And now now totally kidding aside, I am considering it.

00:17:36.160 I am considering it. How can I live? Well, you should. That is. Can I tell you something?

00:17:40.120 But I believe there is there is no package to consider here. It is the freest state in the

00:17:46.860 union. Honestly, I don't get any special benefits at all. There is no better state in the union

00:17:53.860 to do it. It's we have a great governor. Our our Texas Senate and and House, they only meet

00:18:05.260 every two years so they don't pass any laws. I mean, it's that's fantastic. It's fantastic.

00:18:11.420 I mean, I'm not kidding you, man. I'm considering it. I'm considering it. How can I live in a place

00:18:16.960 with look, the governor of my state of California is Gavin Newsom. He is he is the former mayor of

00:18:24.520 San Francisco who wrecked San Francisco so badly with high taxes that then Peter Thiel,

00:18:30.480 the tech billionaire Peter Thiel left San Francisco to move to the free thinking L.A.

00:18:36.300 just to escape San Francisco. And now L.A. is crumbling. And obviously, we have a progressive

00:18:40.560 mayor here, too. So it's not really fun to think about. You know, you know, I have a great operation

00:18:45.600 here in a beautiful home studio and everything. And I do love it here. But, you know, at some point,

00:18:50.180 the rubber meets the road and the things that I believe in and fight for, you know, do get played

00:18:54.560 out in my real life. And we're considering it. I have to tell you something, Dave, by the way,

00:18:59.620 Dave Rubin is the host of the Rubin Report. Highly, highly successful on YouTube. He now has his own,

00:19:08.700 you know, his own business. And he also has Rubin Report on the blaze. If you don't,

00:19:16.320 if you don't know that, Dave, you should watch Dave. And he's the author of a brand new book called

00:19:21.440 Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Reason, which we'll get to here in just

00:19:27.420 a second. Dave, did you watch the the protests in California this weekend? And what were your

00:19:33.480 thoughts on them? I did. You know, I saw the clips on Twitter that everybody saw. And look,

00:19:38.800 first off, generally speaking, I'm enthused that, you know, some lefties here in California might be

00:19:45.200 waking up to some of this stuff. So, you know, look, it's not as if there's no conservative or

00:19:49.620 libertarian leaning people in California at all. I mean, you know, Ronald Reagan once was the

00:19:54.220 governor here. So there are some people here, especially if you move more towards Orange

00:19:57.940 County, you know, it leans a little more right. But I think actually for the first time, I mean,

00:20:02.960 I'm seeing this when I walk my dog on the street now and people that know me come up to me,

00:20:07.260 they're kind of hinting to me like, yeah, it's getting pretty crazy here. You know, people that

00:20:11.320 you could tell this is not really their political alliance, you know, thinking that they're anywhere on

00:20:16.380 the right or something. But what's happening is if you push people to the point that they cannot

00:20:20.700 leave their houses for two months. And how does it make any sense at this point, if I have quarantined

00:20:26.880 for two months, that I if I have a friend who lives a half mile away that he can't come over

00:20:31.540 for dinner? I mean, we're not allowed to have dinner together if we're both young and healthy

00:20:34.980 and have done all of the proper precautions. And, you know, the series of other things. So it's like

00:20:39.420 you can go to Target. That's OK. And by the way, don't burn. This book is a bestseller at Target.

00:20:43.760 But putting that aside, you're allowed to go to Target. But you can't you can't go to smaller

00:20:47.980 bookstores. Why are we telling why are we telling smaller stores that they aren't allowed to institute

00:20:53.420 some sort of program that would allow only a few people in? So it's almost as if this is absolutely

00:20:58.680 designed to crush every small store. And I'll just say one other thing, which is that when I drive along

00:21:03.760 the main boulevard here and you know where I live, that, you know, of course, we're seeing all the

00:21:08.140 small stores closed. But it's fairly obvious to me that 90 percent of them will never come back.

00:21:13.760 You know, these strip mall areas that had sort of older stores that were probably just hanging

00:21:18.100 on. It's like they're not coming back. So what are we going to do? And you can only push

00:21:23.820 people so far. And even the lefties, you'll eventually push back.

00:21:28.620 Your whole area, I do know where you live. Your whole area is, you know, one big boulevard that

00:21:33.980 has all of these specialty shops, their little mom and pop stores. They can't come back.

00:21:39.660 I mean, I read a story in California this weekend where people are opening up and saying,

00:21:45.420 you know what? I couldn't get anything from the PPP. I'm not able to survive. I have to open

00:21:54.580 because I'm going to go out of business anyway. And my only chance is to hope that maybe somebody

00:22:00.900 will come and frequent my store in defiance of everything because I'm going to go out anyway.

00:22:08.040 I'm going to be living on the street. So, I mean, what do people do? What do people do?

00:22:13.380 Well, I think, yeah. So look, first off, the more perverse part of this is that it's not as if

00:22:19.600 they're really telling us what the plan is. So it's like they tell us, OK, finally, we've been doing

00:22:24.740 this for almost two months. Now, just over the last couple of days, they closed the beaches.

00:22:28.560 Now, that would imply that the numbers have started to rise again or that they saw something

00:22:33.640 happening at the beaches that was that was causing a spread. But there's no evidence of

00:22:38.000 any of that. Nobody has issued a statement. And our deputy mayor, you may have seen the video on

00:22:42.920 Twitter. He took the helicopter ride and tweeted out a video of empty beaches. And the way he tweeted

00:22:47.540 it, it was it was as if he was proud of our empty beaches. And it's like, dude, you guys are ruining

00:22:54.560 our state. Now, that, of course, Glenn, I know you know this. That is not to say that everyone

00:22:59.500 should just pile on to the beaches with no masks and be on top of each other and the rest of it.

00:23:03.980 But give us some reason. Give us some way so that you can go out there. That is a couple

00:23:09.420 feet away from people and just let us let us try to live instead of controlling us.

00:23:15.060 So here's the here's the problem, Dave. No one gave us the tripwire. I've been asking since January,

00:23:22.020 what's the tripwire that's going to close these things down? What are the factors that you're

00:23:27.840 looking at? It seemed right. It seemed totally arbitrary in a in a situation where we didn't

00:23:35.480 know anything about this virus. Now, as more and more factors come in and we're pushing to open it,

00:23:42.460 they won't really give us the tripwires that are solid like the beaches. Wait a minute. Wait a

00:23:48.800 minute. We know that this or we supposedly know that this is killed by sunlight. The odds of getting

00:23:55.700 it outside the the odds of getting it while you're surfing by yourself. Impossible, impossible.

00:24:04.600 What the hell are you basing any of this stuff up on except a power trip? We are not being told

00:24:11.340 so we can participate in it. This is not a representative government anymore.

00:24:17.040 Well, I think what you're seeing is that the people that like state power are basically frothing

00:24:23.420 at the mouth at the moment. So you're right when you say that you have a great governor and Greg

00:24:27.300 Abbott in Texas, he wants the economy to move forward. Now, it does. He's not saying let's

00:24:31.820 just open up and have a free for all. They're going to have to test some things and see how many people

00:24:36.120 can be at restaurants. And then maybe if there's a little bump, they'll have to adjust. That's how a

00:24:40.540 mature person deals with the problem. But how an immature, how an immature person deals with the

00:24:45.460 problem is just sees a problem. And then what would a child do? A child would grab everything or flip the

00:24:50.540 board over if it was a board game or something like that. So they're not telling us anything.

00:24:54.280 They're just saying we control you. And unfortunately, I think too many people in

00:24:59.000 California and probably in several of the other blue states have just been conditioned to think

00:25:03.560 that just because someone has power, that that power is righteous. But I don't think I have no

00:25:09.940 reason to believe, especially if they won't tell me why they're doing it. Why should I believe

00:25:13.920 that Gavin Newsom knows what he's doing? What evidence does he have that I am not privy to? And why

00:25:19.960 wouldn't you give me that evidence? So we got to start questioning them, right? If there was ever

00:25:24.500 a time, Glenn, to fight for anything we believe in in America, certainly in my lifetime, I think in

00:25:28.400 your lifetime as well, it's like this is it. Yeah, this is the biggest event in our lifetime. And I

00:25:33.260 think our I think our country is truly hanging by the thread because you are losing the entry level 0.97

00:25:41.500 businesses. You're losing the entrepreneur, the entrepreneurs. You're losing the ability to get back

00:25:48.600 up on off of your feet. And it's all being caused not by some natural disaster, but because people

00:25:55.640 are telling you what to do. So this isn't my fault that we're going out of business. This is the

00:26:01.800 government's fault that I'm going out of business. This is China's fault that we're going through any 1.00

00:26:06.760 of this. And by the way, you know, a little risk is part of life. That's actually part of the human

00:26:13.900 experience. And again, that's not to say you just do everything willy nilly and get out there and

00:26:19.340 cough on people and, you know, run into old age homes and all that. But a little risk is exactly

00:26:25.480 what made America great. And they're in many ways. This whole thing is is counter to the American

00:26:30.460 experience. You are you are such a dangerous individual for even saying that, Dave. I mean,

00:26:36.920 we are violating all of the Bill of Rights, the things that are enshrined in our Constitution as

00:26:45.280 governments shall not do these things. They're doing all of those things in the name of a right

00:26:53.580 that doesn't exist. I don't have a right to be safe from infections. You cannot guarantee that right.

00:27:01.980 I am born without that natural right. I mean, again, it's not that you do stupid things, 1.00

00:27:08.240 but the government cannot guarantee this. They're saying we're going to keep everybody safe. You 0.98

00:27:13.640 can't. And it's not a right. You cannot violate the things that are in the Bill of Rights that are

00:27:20.360 explicitly laid out to to protect a right that doesn't even exist, doesn't exist. Back with Dave

00:27:28.780 Rubin here in just a second. The the name of his book is Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for Yourself

00:27:34.460 in the Age of Reason. We'll get into that because it's more important than ever. This is the best of

00:27:40.660 the Glenn Beck program. And don't forget, rate us on iTunes. If you think you have seen government gone

00:27:50.080 mad, you haven't seen anything until you hear the story of Mary Sabatino and her family. They're from

00:27:58.260 New York. They move to Kentucky. It's a family of seven. They homeschool. You see where this is

00:28:04.260 going already? They're freaks and they're from New York, so they must be disease ridden. And why would

00:28:09.740 you have seven kids, let alone homeschool seven kids? Well, she comes into the town. She's doing

00:28:17.480 some banking. And this is before any of the coronavirus restrictions of, you know, quarantine

00:28:24.180 New Yorkers or anything like that happen. And she leaves two of the kids in the car and because 0.98

00:28:32.080 they're old enough to be left in the car. And the other five she has to bring into the bank. Well,

00:28:37.160 as she comes in, the teller says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Keep your distance. Why do you have five kids

00:28:42.100 with you? She said, well, they're too they're too young to be left in the car without adult supervision.

00:28:46.720 You got to leave. You got to leave immediately. Well, by the time she gets home, somebody had made

00:28:53.800 an anonymous call and said that they weren't social distancing. And somebody observed these kids and

00:29:02.540 this mother leaving with a man that was not the father. And they he was manhandling these children

00:29:09.560 and they saw bruises. So immediately, Department of Children and Family Services come out.

00:29:16.900 This is where it goes insane. Mary Sabatino is with us now. Hi, Mary. How are you?

00:29:23.540 Hi. So what happened was on the 17th, we had gone to the bank to open a checking account.

00:29:33.300 And we had been running errands all day. Fine. No issues. Everyone was nice and friendly. We get in the

00:29:38.400 bank and the teller starts screaming at me to take the children outside. I said, I have to open a joint

00:29:44.720 account with my husband. It'll only take a minute. He'll stay with the children. The whole exchange,

00:29:51.300 you get back, get back, keep back, get them outside. So when we got home, my husband and I were just

00:29:57.600 saying how crazy the experience was. We get home and there's a state trooper and a child service worker

00:30:02.920 at the door. They said they had to see the children immediately that they received a call

00:30:08.720 that we were out in public with five children with grab marks on their upper arms. And I was with a man

00:30:14.880 from New York who was not related. I said, man, it's cold outside. They're wearing jackets. How could

00:30:20.840 anyone see their upper arms? It doesn't matter. I'm here for an investigation. I have to come inside and

00:30:25.420 interview the children. He comes inside. He separates the children, interrogates all the children.

00:30:31.560 And then he had an issue with the homeschooling. And why did we have seven children? How can I

00:30:38.340 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what does that have to do with with anything? I mean, what does that

00:30:45.960 have to do? My friend was not the father. I said, do you want me to get you the birth certificates? He is

00:30:52.200 their father. You're calling him dad. No, I have to interview the children. You stay right here. So he brings

00:30:58.500 them in the kitchen and he's asking them if they get enough to eat. Does your mother allow you near

00:31:03.020 the refrigerator? What are their feelings towards homeschooling? And then they wanted to undress

00:31:11.020 them. They took pictures of the children, even though they had no marks anywhere on their bodies.

00:31:17.220 Now I have daughter that's about 10 years old. This is a male social worker. And he comes in,

00:31:23.000 makes them lift their clothes and he's taking pictures of their bodies. When all is said and

00:31:29.680 done after the initial call, which was about grab marks. Now he wants an investigation because why am

00:31:36.300 I homeschooling? And how can I give adequate attention to that many children? Oh my gosh.

00:31:42.900 Then he says, you have, you have to make a doctor's appointment this week. I need full physicals for them.

00:31:48.540 Wait, I call every doctor and I cannot get an appointment. Right. Cause it's coronavirus time.

00:31:57.160 Yeah. It just started. So it wasn't that crazy yet. I hadn't been aware there weren't that

00:32:01.300 restrictions yet, but I called doctors and they said, we can't see anyone. So I call the caseworker

00:32:06.300 back. I said, they've, you know, they've never missed a well visit. Everything's fine. I can't get a

00:32:11.020 doctor to see them. Well, you have a week for them to be seen. So I went online, I called everyone I

00:32:17.240 could possibly think of. And someone told me, reach out to HSLD, a, the homeschool on legal

00:32:23.260 defense. And when they got involved, they were able to help me with that.

00:32:29.160 So what did they do?

00:32:33.580 Well, I was told that the case, the caseworker told me that he had to get a supervisor involved

00:32:39.080 because of the concerns with the homeschooling. And how could I provide attention to all that

00:32:45.220 many children? And the fact that he wanted them seen that week when a homeschool legal

00:32:52.340 defense attorney spoke to him, he said, it was merely a recommendation that I take them

00:32:57.740 to the doctor, which was not the case at all. He told me I had one week to do that.

00:33:05.620 Right. So we're still waiting for the whole case to wrap up, but it's just beyond crazy that

00:33:11.080 based on a false accusation, they could come in your door like that.

00:33:15.560 So Mary, why did you guys leave New York?

00:33:19.340 We left New York because New York was getting too, too liberal for us. We wanted a big backyard.

00:33:24.640 We wanted a nice place to raise the children where we could homeschool them and enjoy the

00:33:31.180 outdoors and where it was a little more freedom.

00:33:33.400 Yeah. And I mean, because this honestly sounds like what would happen in New York.

00:33:39.340 It shouldn't happen in a place like Kentucky.

00:33:43.080 No, we were we were quite happy here.

00:33:45.560 We were quite friendly. It was so out of character for the whole area.

00:33:51.300 Have your neighbors said anything since?

00:33:54.040 Oh, no, no one. We've had since we've gotten here. It's a beautiful area. Everyone's nice.

00:34:01.200 Everyone's friendly. There's no issues with anyone.

00:34:04.040 Even we've been out other places. We didn't have an issue just in that one bank

00:34:08.340 where they went crazy that you can't have children out in public.

00:34:14.980 Now, it's actually with the homeschool homeschooling legal and we followed every.

00:34:20.360 Yeah. You know, no, if you have a Mary, we we are living in a time that our grandparents

00:34:28.480 wouldn't have been able to understand where if you have, you know, over four children,

00:34:33.260 even four, probably you're you're like, whoa, look at that.

00:34:36.880 And seven. That's crazy. Our grandparents used to have 14 children.

00:34:42.080 I don't know how women ever were walking around, but they but they did. 1.00

00:34:47.960 And now, you know, with seven, you're a mark. If you're seven and homeschooling,

00:34:53.540 you have to be insane. But let me ask you this, Mary. 0.99

00:34:57.600 You have seven children. You homeschool.

00:35:00.840 I have two children still left in the house and.

00:35:06.120 I'm about to lose my mind on the homeschooling thing here because it ain't working.

00:35:10.460 Any tips? Because I think America really it is not.

00:35:14.440 I mean, you're cut out for homeschooling. Clearly, some of us.

00:35:17.700 I mean, I barely have the dad thing down. Teacher to teenagers help.

00:35:24.120 Oh, oh, the homeschooling works out so well that we actually we continue it sometimes on the weekend,

00:35:29.740 even for two hours, just because that it is a structure of it.

00:35:35.040 The children enjoy learning with it and having good private school and beforehand.

00:35:41.020 They enjoy so much more being home and being able to focus more on subjects that appeal to them.

00:35:48.220 How many how many how many kids do you have in your family?

00:35:51.660 How many parents your parents had how many children?

00:35:54.280 My parents had 13. I'm number seven.

00:35:56.780 13. And how did your mother provide for all of you?

00:36:03.840 You obviously were neglected.

00:36:07.140 My mother homeschooled us all.

00:36:09.220 My mother and father both had college degrees and there was a lot living in New York.

00:36:13.780 There was a lot of stairs and a lot of comments on that.

00:36:16.800 But, you know, everyone turned out well.

00:36:19.240 Everyone went on to college.

00:36:20.560 I have physicians assistants for brothers, accountants.

00:36:23.820 You know, no one grew up to be the criminals that people thought that they would be or disadvantaged.

00:36:29.840 Everyone grew up successful.

00:36:32.820 Mary, this is this is this used to be the story of America.

00:36:36.420 We understood this now.

00:36:37.460 For some reason, we don't anymore.

00:36:40.200 Where is this case now?

00:36:41.840 What has to be done to get the state off of your back?

00:36:45.480 It was the caseworker informed the attorney that it was handed to his supervisor.

00:36:52.460 And I believe there's about two weeks left for them to make a decision on it.

00:36:57.760 And what is the decision that has to be made?

00:37:01.660 Whether they'll close the case or continue it.

00:37:04.280 Now, the allegations were only that the children had grab marks on their upper arms and that the man who is not my husband was with me.

00:37:11.460 But the caseworker, because he came to the house, those allegations were cleared up.

00:37:17.160 But now I'm being investigated for having seven children and for homeschooling them.

00:37:24.120 Which is, you know, it blows my mind.

00:37:27.200 Now, I know.

00:37:28.380 To be investigated.

00:37:30.200 Now, you have you have really good attorneys now.

00:37:33.160 If you're if you're with the Homeschooling Defense League, you're you're you're in good hands.

00:37:37.100 But, Mary, I you know, they had an election there just recently in Kentucky and things went a little insane.

00:37:43.880 You should you should maybe consider Texas.

00:37:47.940 So there's a good place to be free in Texas.

00:37:50.640 God bless you.

00:37:51.780 I chose Kentucky.

00:37:53.800 Bevin.

00:37:56.160 Choose carefully.

00:37:59.640 We understand.

00:38:00.740 Mary, thank you so much.

00:38:02.160 God bless you and the whole family.

00:38:03.940 Please let us know if anything comes up and we can help you.

00:38:07.660 You know, these weasels tend to disappear when the light turns on.

00:38:12.460 They're like cockroaches and they go underneath the refrigerator when the lights turned on.

00:38:15.960 So if we can help you, you let us know.

00:38:18.240 Thank you so much.

00:38:18.960 I pray so.

00:38:19.900 Thank you.

00:38:20.540 Bye.

00:38:21.220 You bet.

00:38:21.880 God bless.

00:38:23.060 Mary Sabatino.

00:38:25.060 I mean, I think you can see why she's under investigation.

00:38:28.400 Am I right, Stu?

00:38:29.640 Or am I right?

00:38:30.620 Sounds out of control.

00:38:32.060 Out of control.

00:38:32.880 Hmm.

The Glenn Beck Program - May 04, 2020

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