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00:00:00.000 hello america and welcome to the program wow what a great show today what'd you say stew

00:00:05.400 great show you're not even listening no you're supposed to be doing this you're on your own

00:00:09.320 today how great show we're going to talk to you about what is headed towards the next election

00:00:14.920 talk a little bit about some of the things that are going in uh you know our schools

00:00:19.360 and our churches not disturbing at all no not at all not at all and we have a guy who actually

00:00:26.180 was one of the ethicists that worked at google until they scared him uh his eyes almost melted

00:00:34.060 he got out big netflix special on on google and youtube and facebook next week um and tonight

00:00:42.220 is our special on big tech the president for the first time retweeted something that i did or said

00:00:48.900 uh and uh it was on the special tonight he knows what a big deal this is and how big tech

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00:01:31.420 i don't know if you saw this but a new uh a new council got together uh called together in

00:01:41.020 washington dc to do a study on which monuments should be removed de-emphasized destroyed

00:01:49.900 or just reframed um and the the top two uh i like are uh are you know the washington monument

00:01:58.360 destroyed or removed or or relocated relocated all right uh and uh the jefferson memorial

00:02:05.860 and you have a problem with that yeah something along the lines of over my dead body

00:02:12.460 yeah yeah i mean that is something honestly i don't like the way that the country has become

00:02:22.560 where washington dc has just become this corporate state you know what i mean i lived in washington dc in

00:02:29.680 the 80s when it you know when it was just still recovering from fdr but it wasn't like it is now

00:02:37.980 now it's just all the big businesses everybody has their headquarters there because they need to

00:02:42.720 do business in washington which is sickening but i will tell you if you take down if you try to take

00:02:49.380 down the washington memorial you take down and this is saying something i hate andrew jackson i hate him

00:02:57.200 i think he is the guy if you go back in history i think he's the guy that actually ended the republic

00:03:03.960 as our founders understood it he's the first one to put the nails in the coffin and turn us away from

00:03:12.060 who we were at the founding would you agree with that i hate that guy hate him but you try to take

00:03:20.320 his statue down in washington dc i'm thinking about getting on a plane and going and standing around it

00:03:28.020 probably would do it you start to mess with benjamin franklin the two statues of benjamin

00:03:35.240 franklin they want to take down benjamin franklin he was a racist he was no he was a racist 0.87

00:03:42.600 no he was abolitionist no an outspoken abolitionist against his own business interests yeah again he was

00:03:49.640 humiliated at the end of his life by the southern democrats because they were saying oh look and now

00:03:56.340 he's for abolition i mean he's just he's gone crazy it's sad to see him decline so fast they made 1.00

00:04:01.820 him into a guy who was a bumbling idiot when he wasn't which party was that again the democrats okay 1.00

00:04:08.480 yeah the democrats yeah oh the defenders of truth and justice yes yes the bringers of light oh yeah 1.00

00:04:14.600 the bringers of light uh i don't know about you but that that is amazing that's a fight that's a fight

00:04:21.920 you touch the washington memorial that's a fight do you see that antifa went in and took down and i

00:04:29.940 know this isn't the same thing but it shows how deeply they're going into culture they um uh defaced

00:04:38.380 uh graceland and uh spray painted uh antifa and blm messages on graceland if you think any of our

00:04:48.900 culture is going to survive this you're mistaken they will burn down everything they will erase

00:04:56.720 everything and now you've got too far man you're talking about the king of nanner sandwiches

00:05:05.720 well the king of nanner sandwiches he's going away he's going away i mean they it's amazing what they

00:05:13.180 what they're trying to there because all of it has to go right it's not it's not just the confederate

00:05:19.340 soldier statues it's america it's america itself and that's why the confederate soldiers are not even

00:05:26.340 as important as the founders yeah they don't care about the confederate soldiers half as much as they

00:05:32.380 do about the founders and they don't care that the one of the leaders of the abolitionist movement as

00:05:40.300 our founders was ben franklin they're not holding him up as a hero because they have to erase all of

00:05:46.120 it all of it your culture is being not not kind of going away slowly america as we know it will be

00:05:56.460 gone in four years gone in four years which is their goal and if you don't believe it listen to the

00:06:03.700 the protesters the rioters in oakland the other night oh yeah death to a chanting death to america 0.51

00:06:11.080 who needs iran when you've got these people trying to destroy our country from within and by the way 1.00

00:06:17.920 did you see that uh wheeler finally he's getting he's getting they love him they love him the mayor of

00:06:24.540 uh portland oregon love love love love love love him uh they have they have disrupted his i guess he

00:06:32.800 lives in a condo they've disrupted his condo he's now moving out of it on fire yeah trying to set it

00:06:38.440 on fire um it is it's really really really bad he's still backing them he's still backing them he's

00:06:47.360 saying they can't you know protest around his house it's kind of like nancy pelosi you can't get

00:06:53.180 your hair done but i can yeah and mayor lightfoot in chicago doing the same thing i will not apologize

00:06:59.600 for protecting my house and my wife and children well okay but what about everybody else's house and 0.74

00:07:07.440 wives and husbands and children she doesn't give a rat's anus about any of them she just protects 1.00

00:07:13.440 her own there's reports that up to 147 cops are guarding her home every night i mean in a time 0.99

00:07:20.420 where you've got kind of a crunch for police the hypocrisy is can you imagine being a cop crazy

00:07:25.900 can you imagine being a cop and guarding that you'd be like i mean this is why our cops are known as

00:07:32.180 heroes yeah because they guard people they vehemently disagree with yeah you think in this one too they're

00:07:40.220 not allowing the police to actually do the job they want to do right so they they're pulling them out

00:07:46.100 of the danger areas and then you know assigning them to the mayor's house in all of these cities

00:07:51.960 it's incredible it's incredible that people don't get more pissed off about it and it's incredible that

00:07:57.100 the media is just going along with it yeah this is okay that's understandable she needs protection

00:08:02.180 she's the mayor oh can you imagine can you imagine what it's going to be like because remember how the

00:08:09.820 media was under barack obama they just they just they didn't care the media already is trying to

00:08:16.540 make if it wasn't for donald trump i wonder if we would even know the truth about the story no i

00:08:23.320 shouldn't say this if it wasn't for the blaze but the blaze is protected quite honestly your freedom

00:08:29.560 of speech to say something that the media doesn't like is being protected by this administration

00:08:35.520 that's how close we are to the end of the first amendment if it's not for him standing in the

00:08:43.200 way blocking i'm telling you we lose our voice you wouldn't know the truth of the reichstag fire

00:08:50.660 that happened with the shooting in portland you wouldn't know it you wouldn't know what was true

00:08:56.480 in kenosha because we wouldn't have been there and they would have spun it as right wing far right

00:09:04.840 uh white supremacist coming in and if you don't think that will close down every single group that

00:09:13.460 you might be in you might have ever been associated with you're on a watch list dude you're on a watch

00:09:20.580 list it's terrifying because if they've kind of captured the hearts and minds of the youth too

00:09:26.340 which is really troubling to me when i see all of these you know collegiate football teams including

00:09:32.920 byu's football team uh it is shameful talking about how they support these groups shameful what is

00:09:39.420 going on shameful that the church needs to get rid of byu if byu can't hold to the standards of the 0.99

00:09:49.440 church then the church should defund it and get rid of it well i don't think they understand i don't

00:09:54.580 think they've looked into it i don't think they're paying attention to you know they hear one side on

00:09:58.600 facebook or cnn or wherever and they don't get the full story and so they buy into the fact that

00:10:04.720 black lives matter is about black lives mattering deseret deseret news is doing the same thing same

00:10:09.660 thing same thing deseret news i mean it's paint deseret news owned by the church i'm sorry to get all

00:10:16.080 really specific here but people in salt lake you need to know this wake up deseret news is now

00:10:23.000 painting mike lee as an extremist mike lee is the furthest from extreme that i've ever seen they are

00:10:32.440 making excuses for blm they're making excuses they are marching through the same tune and i don't know

00:10:40.900 what's happening but the church needs to divest and get away get away from it yeah because the infection

00:10:50.480 is there in byu in the in the universities and it's in the press get away from it here's how deep

00:10:59.580 it goes i got this uh this is sent to us uh by a listener in uh kentucky i think fayette county

00:11:05.920 public schools virtually virtual learning academy uh this is a fifth grade assignment where they had

00:11:12.220 to study what the nba is doing okay here's the audio of this hey ladies if you look here this is his

00:11:19.560 assignment this is a fayette county public schools you go over here and you see the news ella nba boycott

00:11:28.760 let's click on it

00:11:30.200 read this attached article

00:11:34.380 wow what is the relationship between jacob lake and brianna taylor

00:11:41.560 yeah and they don't give the context of that here's the article nba protests over black lives matter

00:11:50.460 now and then you get the one-sided viewpoint of black lives matter

00:11:54.660 scroll down and here's the questions so please and what are the questions if anybody tells you this is

00:12:02.540 fake they're like this is not fake what is this is go ahead county public schools okay it's about kids

00:12:10.280 in in small town fifth grade assignment so just to show it's not just universities uh what's the

00:12:17.100 relationship between jacob blake and brianna taylor a both were victims of police violence sparking

00:12:22.720 protests against racial injustice or b one supports the nba player's decision to boycott the other

00:12:28.680 doesn't both were involved in the decision to boycott the nba blah blah blah so obviously

00:12:32.900 you know they were both victims of police violence uh unbelievable without explaining what exactly

00:12:38.700 happened in the in the i'm telling you jacob blake this is working this is working this is just what

00:12:45.460 social media is doing is working the conversation in my home we talk about this stuff all the time

00:12:52.840 in my home i mean i'm dad imagine i'm talking about it in my home and because of social media

00:13:01.980 my kids will go but dad that's not what happened yeah right you're going to believe some friend of

00:13:09.520 yours that sent a story on facebook over something that i do and you've grown and to love and trust me

00:13:16.480 really scary it's terrifying it's terrifying you parents you do not have a chance if you aren't

00:13:25.220 at your school watch last week's wednesday special just go to glenn tv at blaze tv watch last week's

00:13:33.320 wednesday night special if you see that it is all about the schools when i i'm i'm going on a couple of

00:13:39.840 day vacation to celebrate my wife's birthday i'm coming back next monday uh on wednesday of next week

00:13:45.920 we have part two of what they're putting into our schools and this is horrifying and if you are

00:13:51.880 not at your school if you are not looking over every single thing that is coming from the school

00:13:58.500 you are going to lose your kids that is not hyperbole i truly believe there is a chance

00:14:06.960 that we are on the edge of the times that have been foretold since the beginning of time

00:14:14.040 i believe we're on the precipice of that if that's true you're going to lose your children

00:14:24.680 your children will turn against you they you will lose them to darkness you must read what is happening

00:14:34.980 trust yourself pray like you've never prayed before

00:14:41.080 and trust the spirit to tell you what to do everyone has a right to their own personal revelation

00:14:50.200 no one else can have revelation for you but you you and your family you get revelation for

00:14:58.240 you can't tell me that you get revelation for me and my family

00:15:02.040 but i know you get revelation for you and your family and now is more important than ever you and

00:15:11.340 your children are all children of god and he does not want to lose you if you sincerely come to him

00:15:18.520 and say help me understand help me if you do your own homework and then bring it back to him and say

00:15:26.800 is this true is this not true it's the only light that you can trust don't trust me don't trust anyone

00:15:34.860 do your own homework and trust only in him

00:15:39.100 these are the times where you must be so one with the spirit if it says stop

00:15:47.860 turn around pull your kids out do this you have to be so in step that you do it immediately

00:15:55.660 or the consequences will be severe

00:15:58.680 this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:16:03.780 glad it is good to be with you apparently the world is still spinning earth is still here but yes

00:16:13.480 i did go into a self-imposed coma so and uh i'm just getting back man so take it slow take it easy

00:16:20.760 on me would you so dave tell me this are you uh are you were you more surprised last year because the

00:16:29.040 world wasn't on fire as much as it is right now uh and so when things happen you were like wait what

00:16:35.920 but when you went into your self-imposed uh coma uh you knew the world was crazy as hell

00:16:44.380 so what were the things that you did you still have the no way that can't be possible did you have any

00:16:51.180 of those you know it's funny because you were the the one who brought me back last year when i did the

00:16:57.060 month off and then you sat down with me for two hours and and enlightened me on all the things that i

00:17:02.380 missed and one of the really funny things that you did was you made up some stuff and then you know

00:17:07.720 contrasted it with true things that happened and i had to guess which was true and you got it wrong

00:17:13.300 several times you were like that can't be true so i'm gonna pick this one nope dave that one's true

00:17:18.340 yeah well this year look it looks like we got peace in the middle east i did not expect that to

00:17:23.460 happen in august you know there's some strange things out there i mean look this is the fourth year

00:17:28.360 that i've done the august off the grid thing and i do no news and i try to stay away from devices and

00:17:33.140 all of that stuff and i do it more than anything else to just get a little extra perspective on all

00:17:39.940 of the issues that you know guys like us spend our lives talking about and that are the things that

00:17:46.460 everyone is consumed with right now i mean what is political has now become everything everywhere

00:17:53.000 in society and one of the problems and we've talked about this many times is that because of the

00:17:58.340 nature of the news cycle and really twitter more than anything else how it's just driving this

00:18:02.620 endless sort of craziness you all we're all doing all day long is reacting to everything and by taking

00:18:08.660 a little time off i think i'm able to give myself a fresher perspective on some of this stuff but to

00:18:16.360 directly answer your question i mean i knew that this year was going to be particularly crazy because

00:18:20.860 of course we had the conventions um you know biden was going to pick his vp the riots racism all of

00:18:27.800 these things and uh sadly as far as i can tell so far none of it got better no none of it got better

00:18:33.560 what was the thing you were most surprised or you had the biggest what give me some perspective on

00:18:38.780 something big that happened that you you've been thinking about now in the last 24 hours

00:18:44.720 well without question i mean this deal that was signed between israel and the united arab emirates

00:18:50.900 is beyond historic and if i'm reading the stories correctly this morning you know i'm just trying to

00:18:56.500 catch up on everything it sounds like there could be about four more arab countries four to five

00:19:01.960 maybe yeah more arab countries that are about to sign peace deals and if we lived in a sane society

00:19:08.100 everyone regardless of your political affiliation your religion your belief system would be saying this is

00:19:15.640 the most monumental absolutely staggering incredible event that has happened in terms of middle east

00:19:22.520 politics in the last three decades they say and yet from what i can tell well trump had something to

00:19:27.300 do with it so this is something negative yeah no they didn't they barely they said um i i actually

00:19:32.960 heard people say this happened in spite of trump uh you know this was something really that uh was in

00:19:38.980 the works for a long time really was it uh but anyway uh they say i was just reading today that they think

00:19:46.700 the bds movement the boycott uh divestment and uh what's the other one yeah sanctions they say that's

00:19:54.200 over now they say that that that movement has been destroyed by this that in and of itself is huge

00:20:01.640 absolutely incredible and you know again because i'm just catching up on all the news stories when i

00:20:07.260 googled it this morning you're right the framing of this is somehow this is despite trump or in spite of

00:20:14.080 trump or has nothing to do with trump and without making everything about trump because again i'm

00:20:19.140 just getting back on the grid here and i gotta ease my way into this whole thing it's like this is

00:20:23.240 i thought middle east peace is what everybody wanted i thought it doesn't matter if you're you're

00:20:27.360 on the right you're on the left you're a republican you're a democrat liberal conservative

00:20:30.420 doesn't matter we all want peace don't we all want peace no yet somehow no no this is a big trick

00:20:36.420 and and that just goes to why everything is so screwy man you have to be for something

00:20:42.520 not just against people and that's one of the reasons why i'm going to do a new show with the

00:20:47.040 blaze because that's what i want to get to so well might as well announce it now go ahead

00:20:51.760 yeah well starting today in about uh three hours or so i've been up since about 3 a.m today

00:20:57.940 uh i am going to be doing a new show on tuesdays wednesdays and thursdays that we are going to

00:21:03.580 simulcast on my youtube channel which is youtube.com slash rubin report as well as stream

00:21:09.080 on the blaze and it's going to be a 24 minute in effect a half hour show with the blaze you guys

00:21:16.240 we we just like everything we've done together for the last year and a half or so i make all the

00:21:21.040 decisions you're not my boss i'm not your boss we're just we really have to say this anymore do

00:21:26.120 people even do people still say that i mean it's so crazy so crazy i'm sorry glenn you don't control

00:21:33.780 me god that's so crazy i mean i mean you know me dave do i seem like a controlling guy that i want 0.99

00:21:40.020 to control everybody's show have i ever struck you that way controls you dave rubin it's so stupid 0.94

00:21:45.560 but but what i'm going to be doing is i'm i'm going to wake up in the morning i'm going to have my cup 0.98

00:21:50.860 of coffee and i am going to talk to my producer we're going to put together i'm only going to try

00:21:55.840 to hit probably two to three stories a day you know one of the problems is we are obsessed with

00:22:02.080 every little uh small thing that happens in the world of politics and that it's sort of what we

00:22:07.360 were talking about before that's what's keeping everybody crazy and i actually think and one of

00:22:11.360 the reasons i wanted to work with the blaze is you guys have or i should say we now have a have a

00:22:15.720 bunch of hosts that i think give a really nice perspective about this stuff without making everyone

00:22:20.940 hysterical but that really is going to be the thrust that i'm going to go for i'm going to wake up i'm

00:22:25.640 going to go what's going on in the world and and how can we how do we pilfer a little bit of sanity

00:22:32.240 out of it because i want people to care about the news care about current events care about what's

00:22:37.060 happening but not be obsessed or even more disturbingly not be depressed by it and i think

00:22:42.640 if we can if we can do a little more of that then we can start setting some of this stuff right

00:22:47.180 so give me the thing to not be depressed about

00:22:50.480 oh man go ahead off the top of your head dave what i mean i told you to ease me in

00:22:58.780 okay all right all right all right all right so maybe you'll just be a little depressed

00:23:02.380 on today's show but not fully depressed to what the thing to not be depressed by i think is is hard

00:23:09.720 to see but i really do believe it's happening and as you know i'm i'm here in california i'm in la

00:23:14.580 so it's really tough when you're in california you gotta get to but i think underneath the headlines

00:23:18.940 underneath the riots underneath racism underneath the pandemic and all of that i truly believe that

00:23:26.980 there is an awakening happening across the country i think people are waking up to the nonsense of the

00:23:32.240 media i think people are waking up to the nonsense of just factory settings that somehow left is good

00:23:39.620 and right is bad um and you don't see that in the polls you don't see that on cnn but i think i

00:23:47.500 actually think you will see it when it comes to the election and i think just look walking around la here

00:23:53.540 when when people can recognize me which is a little tougher these days because of the mask

00:23:57.260 but usually now when people come up to me they say hey dave you know i saw you on fox or i saw you on

00:24:03.580 back and they're happy that they saw me and they don't want people to know it because it's still la

00:24:08.800 and you can't have people knowing you watch scary glenn beck or scary dave rubin but if it's starting

00:24:13.220 to bubble up here that means it's really happening elsewhere and that's not the type of stuff that the

00:24:18.160 mainstream media can cover because it's it's antithetical to everything else that they're

00:24:22.620 pushing but i think a wake up is happening and i'm gonna do the best i can to be as big a part of

00:24:28.560 it as possible so i would really like to hear from you dave uh at some point when you get your

00:24:33.060 your feet really back into the waters of stuff that i'd like to hear what do you think people on

00:24:39.960 the left know you know what we are we are so separate in our news streams now that there's

00:24:50.880 two versions of america and donald trump and the protests and everything else and for the life of

00:24:56.240 me i cannot understand how people and i don't think they do i think the regular american that's

00:25:02.880 not playing a political game not involved in politics or in media or anything else i think

00:25:08.740 those people are looking at it those democrats that you know are just not the game players

00:25:13.820 they're looking at the riots and they're like uh you know this has been going on for a while

00:25:19.960 the the my own party seems to be okay with it and i'm not okay with it uh and i just can't vote for

00:25:28.580 people who are okay with this the media in the last week and a half has been turning this now around

00:25:36.400 on trump and blaming all these riots on trump and saying that they're now against these riots

00:25:43.280 it's the it's the most incredible rice dog kind of lie i've ever seen and i'd like to know if

00:25:53.300 regular people who don't pay attention that much if they buy into that yeah it's a great question man

00:26:00.320 because it's hard to tell right it's really hard to tell because everything now whether it's the nba

00:26:06.880 sports world or anything else going to a salon is now political so it's hard to tell

00:26:13.260 what regular folks are thinking about things and again that's why when i when i debut this show

00:26:18.920 just in a couple hours i am not going to try to bludgeon people over the head with just the day-to-day

00:26:24.100 political stuff because i think there's a much bigger philosophical and moral and cultural battle

00:26:30.280 that we're fighting um but i would say this you know the average person who's not political which is

00:26:36.700 by the way most people the average person who just you know wants to hopefully have a job and have a

00:26:41.580 family and have a house and a car and a dog um if their choice in november is okay we can either burn

00:26:49.260 down the entire system and i mean that literally we're going to burn down buildings and we're going

00:26:53.700 to tear down monuments and everything else or they can potentially vote for a guy that maybe they were

00:26:58.920 uncomfortable with or they don't like the way he tweets or something like that i guarantee you all of

00:27:04.500 those people which is a huge chunk of independent sort of middle middle of the road people they're

00:27:10.880 all going to break towards law and order and towards civilization and towards some semblance of an

00:27:16.380 america that we all love i mean to try to imagine it the other way it's pretty hard to imagine a sort of

00:27:21.520 middle of the road person going all right i'm gonna i've been thinking about it and i'm not really

00:27:26.360 political i don't really think about all the issues but i'm just gonna throw everything in i'm gonna

00:27:30.820 just end the whole revolution i'm gonna i'm gonna go down with the people that are burning everything

00:27:35.780 i just don't sense people will break that way i think they're all gonna break the other way okay

00:27:39.580 we're back with dave rubin here in just a second returns to the grid after 31 days uh blaze tv

00:27:45.480 announces a new show with dave rubin uh tuesday wednesday and thursdays beginning today uh make sure

00:27:52.640 that you are a subscriber of blaze tv.com you can do that now going to blaze tv.com uh slash glenn

00:28:00.020 use the promo code big tech for the special we're doing tonight and you'll save 20 percent

00:28:05.780 this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:28:11.240 thanks for having me glenn it's good to be gonna be back i think last time we spoke with three years

00:28:18.900 ago i can't believe it's been that long it shouldn't be um i want to talk a little bit

00:28:24.020 about the special that is coming out on netflix but i i i don't know what it's going to take

00:28:30.380 to convince people that they are we're going to lose the idea of free choice very soon because you

00:28:44.740 won't know what your free will really is have you been manipulated to think that can you explain that

00:28:52.900 to people yeah um well so for people just understand also the lens that i'm using to

00:29:00.040 talk about these topics as a kid i was a magician and so i've had a lifelong experience of asymmetric

00:29:05.360 information like how does one party and you know magician know more about your mind than you know

00:29:10.280 about yourself if they didn't know more then the trick wouldn't work so the whole premise

00:29:14.260 is there's asymmetric influence from technology to us but it's not quite the kind that people think i

00:29:20.000 mean think about the time last time you said i'm going to watch this one youtube video that looks

00:29:24.140 really interesting and then i'm going to go back to work after the video and next thing you know you

00:29:28.280 wake up two hours later and you say what what just happened to me and you think man i should have had

00:29:32.320 more self-control but what that hides is behind that piece of glass that screen is like basically the

00:29:39.900 largest supercomputer in the world that has almost like an avatar voodoo doll model of you and it can

00:29:45.820 basically simulate if i were to prick you with this video versus with this video how long could i get

00:29:51.080 you to stay and youtube is running these simulations on each of our avatars uh to figure out what's the

00:29:56.920 perfect next video to show and you think about the fact that our brain you know is running pretty old

00:30:01.340 hardware there compared to the biggest supercomputer in the world at google that we're going to lose

00:30:06.220 that battle and that's the problem is that technology we have the largest ai systems in the world

00:30:11.280 predicting what's the perfect thing to keep you here and the problem is that that reinforces

00:30:16.440 affirmation not information because the things that tend to work that keep you there are things

00:30:21.460 that confirm your views about reality that are even a more extreme view of your existing view of reality

00:30:26.720 so if you look around the world and you say why does the whole world feel like it's gone crazy

00:30:31.560 everywhere all at once you're seeing levels of polarization divisiveness anger you're seeing you know

00:30:37.660 extremist militias on on all sides showing up you know around the world you're seeing people in the

00:30:42.080 streets you know where what do these countries have in common and the answer is is social media has

00:30:47.400 become the information um infrastructure for you know humanity and it's not having our best interests

00:30:55.380 at heart so so the film the social dilemma um is really the first film you can think of it almost like

00:31:01.120 the insider with big tobacco because the film takes the insiders who built the facebook like button

00:31:06.700 the father of virtual reality jaron lanier the youtube recommendations engineer who built some

00:31:12.120 of the recommendation system um early employees from twitter from pinterest from instagram who are all

00:31:18.960 talking on camera about these are the unintended consequences of these systems that have kind of

00:31:24.820 you know gone out of control like a frankenstein and um and that's why the film is so important because

00:31:30.300 you know as long as these companies profit from outrage from confusion from distraction from addiction

00:31:35.460 from depression let alone we haven't talked about the issues of teenage girls um because uh teenage

00:31:40.820 girls age 10 to 14 years old uh suicides have gone up by about 150 percent since 2009 or 10 and that's

00:31:49.260 and that's we think very related to social media really arriving on mobile at that time and putting

00:31:55.280 teenage girls especially in this kind of constant bullying social pressure type situation which is

00:32:00.880 something of universal concern so you know this film we're really hoping that this becomes um kind of

00:32:06.840 a shared artifact a shared truth about the breakdown of shared truth and about the breakdown of society

00:32:12.380 that's occurred from these social media platforms and then figure out how do we fight back from there

00:32:16.960 right how do we take back control but how do you i mean you know i was seeing today um the head of

00:32:23.760 youtube she was talking about how you know they're going to start uh looking for and they already have

00:32:29.340 authoritarian news and then you know pushing down anything that they don't feel is you know from

00:32:35.500 an authoritative source um and they and she said we're teaching uh the um uh the super i can't remember

00:32:45.440 what she called it not the algorithm algorithm yeah she said we're we are teaching through machine

00:32:50.700 learning uh you know what truth is and i thought they they don't even know what truth i can't tell you

00:32:58.340 what truth is they think they know what truth is how do you ever when this machine as we approach the

00:33:06.760 singularity how do you ever retrain it to think truth is something else yeah they they really can't

00:33:16.620 i mean i think you and i both know this there's what is what is truth right i mean i don't mean that

00:33:20.940 truth doesn't exist but let's say that we're looking on twitter as an example for for just a second so

00:33:25.820 you truth is well the best quote unquote truth i mean the basis of what truth could be defined as

00:33:31.900 is what people are tweeting but people are tweeting about things that happened 30 seconds ago or five

00:33:36.380 minutes ago and people don't know what's true and they can put they can simply spin it and you the way

00:33:41.740 to think about it i think is that twitter has turned each of us into yellow journalists where each of us

00:33:47.160 are incentivized to say something with absolute certainty without knowing that it's true and this is

00:33:52.740 happening on all sides of the political spectrum and it means that we're we're just lobbing things

00:33:57.120 it's almost like we're littering into the epistemic commons we're littering into the information

00:34:01.240 environment um and we're we're polluting it but we don't actually see that that's what we're doing

00:34:06.440 and twitter incentivizes us because it gives us that dopamine rush of look you get more likes and more

00:34:11.480 followers the more angry you are and the more certain you are and the bigger mob you build off of the

00:34:16.540 caricature of what someone else on the other side said and this is happening again on all sides

00:34:21.040 is driving all of us into this very warlike you know i think we're all feeling um this this almost

00:34:26.540 like pre-civil war type thing that we we don't have to go this way we're really hoping that this film

00:34:31.360 can become kind of a wake-up call uh for that and and the same thing if you want to go to the youtube

00:34:35.800 example you know they don't know what truth is um they can they can do things like okay we're going to

00:34:41.540 prioritize um you know longer standing brands of media because that that might be helpful and you know

00:34:47.980 it's been a kind of massively democratized force which uh you know has had many benefits but the

00:34:53.000 problem is that there's many many uh people gaming that system i think there's an article in the

00:34:58.260 neiman german journalism lab that something like 400 local news sites are just masquerading you know

00:35:04.000 fake news sites basically because it's very easy to start up these local fake news sites that are fake

00:35:09.240 um and one one reason for that by the way in the death of the fourth estate in local journalism is

00:35:14.540 because technology companies have hollowed out the profitability of all these local newspapers as

00:35:19.800 we know and as you know you know thomas jefferson uh if i had to choose between uh you know having

00:35:24.740 government versus uh having having perfect news i would choose perfect news because the people need

00:35:29.600 to be informed and one of the other side consequences of technology companies is hollowing out the

00:35:34.680 profitability of local journalism which we need to keep our institutions in check yeah i find many times

00:35:40.500 it's the local news reporters are the only ones you can trust they're closest to it they have the video

00:35:47.860 um and they're not part of this system although that you know they are part of the clicks and the likes and

00:35:53.500 everything else um but but generally speaking the closer you get to it the the more accurate it is

00:36:02.160 um and and they have go ahead have more of these incentives and the you know theoretically i mean it used to be

00:36:09.720 the training to figure out okay we don't just report on it because it happened we say there's a developing

00:36:14.300 story here we're going to figure it out and that's what local journalism would do but again when local

00:36:18.640 journalism has to cater to that same race to the bottom of the brainstem to get clicks out of people

00:36:24.420 because facebook is the you know they're beholden to facebook right local journalism gets most of its

00:36:29.460 traffic from facebook which means that they have to participate in this kind of race to the bottom of

00:36:34.420 outrage and clickbait headlines and things like that and so it's actually made journalism writ large

00:36:39.700 even worse across the board everywhere in the world and that's what's so subtle about this it's it's so

00:36:44.640 invisible because we're 10 years into this grand psychology experiment that that this is the largest

00:36:50.100 psychology experiment we've ever run on humanity where you have literally you know three or four

00:36:55.600 major technology companies with you know a hundred people making these design decisions and algorithm

00:37:00.700 decisions that are then shaping what three billion people are thinking and believing about what's real

00:37:06.680 and each of us have been in it we treat it as normal that of course that's what's real and that's

00:37:10.900 what the news is but we don't see that we're being fed a completely different diet than the person

00:37:15.440 right next to us including our own family member um and that and that's what's so pernicious about it

00:37:20.020 is the invisibility of this breakdown of truth of shared truth of shared reality

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 02, 2020

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