The Glenn Beck Program - April 27, 2023


Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Devin Nunes & Jack Phillips ｜ 4⧸27⧸23


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On today's show, Glenn Beck is joined by former Congressman Devin Nunes (R-VA) to discuss the latest in the Ron DeSantis and Disney scandals, as well as the shooting of four teenagers in Alabama that left them dead.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to the program. We've got just a boatload of stuff that we covered today that I think you're going to like and really kind of put some things into perspective.
00:00:13.020 Then we've talked to a couple of people that are fighting back. Can you believe the Masterpiece Cake guy is back in court again?
00:00:21.920 He has been fighting the battle of, I won't make that cake for you, but I want Satan on the cake. I'm not going to make it.
00:00:33.640 He's back in front of a court again. Ten years of his life, just gone.
00:00:42.180 Also, we talk a little bit about what's happening with Ron DeSantis and Disney, and this could be bad for Ron DeSantis, and we explain.
00:00:49.720 We also touch base on the shooting of April 15th of this year, one of the worst shootings in American history.
00:00:59.140 Four people killed, they're all teenagers, four of them killed, 32 injured, four of those critical.
00:01:07.420 It happened in April 15th in Alabama.
00:01:11.600 I don't even know if we even reported on it.
00:01:17.020 It was so invisible.
00:01:19.280 How can, in this climate, when we're still talking about what happened in Nashville,
00:01:25.780 how is it that no one's talking about this shooting?
00:01:30.060 Oh, wait until you hear the details on this.
00:01:33.440 All this and more coming up.
00:01:35.040 Here's today's podcast.
00:01:35.980 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:01:51.920 Hey, Stu, what was the name of that big report that we were waiting to come out?
00:01:57.720 Right.
00:01:58.340 And then it never came out.
00:02:00.320 Yeah.
00:02:00.640 I believe we're still waiting.
00:02:02.060 I mean, it comes out in dribs and drabs, but we're still waiting for the final report.
00:02:05.380 I can't even remember the name of that report now.
00:02:09.720 Okay.
00:02:10.600 And everybody was like, wait until the Higgins report is finished.
00:02:17.480 Do you, did anybody on the staff even remember?
00:02:19.880 Do you remember, Sarah?
00:02:21.020 What was it?
00:02:23.440 Durham.
00:02:24.280 The Durham report.
00:02:26.100 Right.
00:02:26.260 Yeah.
00:02:26.680 Yes.
00:02:27.300 Yeah.
00:02:27.640 The Durham report.
00:02:28.500 I think I could remember more of Bull Durham than the Durham report and what it was supposed
00:02:36.240 to show.
00:02:37.320 It's amazing how these things get buried.
00:02:39.720 And there's another, this is such a huge story.
00:02:43.140 This is so much bigger than Watergate.
00:02:46.840 What's happening now with the ex-CIA spy that wanted to stop Donald Trump from being president
00:02:59.280 and so crafted the letter to say that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.
00:03:09.300 And then as political operatives, they got everybody to sign it.
00:03:16.760 Devin Nunes is with us now.
00:03:19.580 He, he joins us, a former U.S. congressman.
00:03:22.620 He was on the front line of all of this stuff.
00:03:24.460 Now he's at Truth Social.
00:03:25.600 He's the CEO.
00:03:26.860 Devin, how are you?
00:03:28.440 Hey, Glenn.
00:03:29.000 It's great to be with you this morning.
00:03:30.440 Oh my gosh.
00:03:31.320 How glad are you to be out of this cesspool?
00:03:33.300 Well, it's kind of like, uh, out of the frying pan and into the fryer, you know, over at
00:03:41.420 Truth Social, it's just daily attacks.
00:03:43.420 Yeah.
00:03:43.920 Like spot attacks from foreign countries.
00:03:46.000 Then it's, uh, being attacked by the fake news or, or by the Biden administration or,
00:03:51.660 you know, you name it.
00:03:52.660 So when you were there, you were, you were really leading a lot of these things and really
00:03:58.500 doing hard work to uncover.
00:04:00.520 And, you know, of course you were a conspiracy theorist and everything else and everything
00:04:05.220 that you talked about, we've talked about, um, has turned out to be true and worse.
00:04:12.740 This Michael, Michael Morrell thing.
00:04:15.660 Uh, what do you make of it?
00:04:18.140 Yeah.
00:04:18.600 I remember when I was chairman of the house intelligence committee doing a long interview
00:04:23.380 with you on your show, I think we've been, I don't know what it, what it was for, but
00:04:26.900 it went like almost 30 minutes or 45 minutes.
00:04:30.180 And, um, I remember you saying, this really can't be true.
00:04:34.140 Is it, you know, you, we were going back and forth, uh, talking about it.
00:04:38.640 And the only thing that I would correct you on is that the whole idea of the Durham report
00:04:44.920 was a fake narrative that was built by the deep state to say that, Oh, Durham's just going
00:04:52.840 to do a report.
00:04:53.540 Durham's just going to do a report.
00:04:54.800 Durham's just going to do a report.
00:04:56.300 And nobody really listened to me at the time, even though I was the guy that uncovered all
00:04:59.860 this.
00:05:00.160 I said, I don't give a damn about a report.
00:05:04.020 I only want to see people go to jail.
00:05:06.860 Amen.
00:05:07.180 We made four, we made 14 criminal referrals, um, of which you've seen Durham's been able
00:05:13.700 to bring three indictments, one pled guilty to walked, which is a whole nother problem
00:05:20.140 with our two tier justice system.
00:05:21.600 Cause if it was Glenn Beck or Devin Nunes being tried in Washington, DC, we would have
00:05:28.900 been, uh, you know, the, the trial would have lasted, the jury would have met for about 12
00:05:33.220 seconds and then we would have got the maximum penalty, uh, by the judge.
00:05:38.320 So it's really, this, this has been really damaging to our country that this, it was kind
00:05:43.300 of the start of it, you know, when they, they were willing to go one step beyond just having
00:05:48.760 political operatives do stupid political operative things that everybody knows, Oh, it's an October
00:05:53.220 surprise.
00:05:53.860 Ha ha.
00:05:55.100 Versus, Oh, this is an October surprise.
00:05:57.580 And Oh, wow.
00:05:58.980 So the department of justice is involved in this much, much different when they're willing
00:06:03.440 to weaponize the intelligence and justice system in this country.
00:06:07.360 So what do you think it means that they're willing to openly admit this?
00:06:13.760 I mean, it explained to me how I'm wrong.
00:06:18.140 This is the intelligence community colluding with the Biden campaign through Anthony Blinken
00:06:26.440 to obstruct the truth, to help a candidate.
00:06:32.320 That is the worst of the worst.
00:06:34.420 I mean, that's worse than Watergate by far.
00:06:39.380 By, but yeah, uh, yeah, it's not even close, but let's take this deep state actor.
00:06:46.380 So Morrell was a guy that got up that we questioned after Benghazi, because remember he was involved
00:06:53.960 in writing the talking points.
00:06:55.380 I had forgot about this.
00:06:56.520 Oh my gosh.
00:06:58.060 He wrote the talking points and he was the deputy CIA director at the time.
00:07:02.560 Right.
00:07:02.940 And it was, and it was kind of like explained by the media.
00:07:06.180 The narrative at the time was, well, this is a career guy.
00:07:09.860 He just made a mistake.
00:07:11.860 And then, you know, I remember we questioned him and he says, Oh, you know, yeah, I wouldn't
00:07:15.140 have done that that way, blah, whatever.
00:07:17.280 Well then totally missed it.
00:07:19.740 And look, and I'm the one who did the Russia hoax because there was so much fake news involved
00:07:23.980 in all this.
00:07:24.520 So we kind of just got glossed over, but Morrell also participated early on in the Russia hoax.
00:07:31.940 So here you had a guy, the CIA knew it was fake, knew it was phony, knew it was ginned
00:07:36.160 up by the Clinton campaign.
00:07:37.580 But Morrell pins an op-ed in the New York Times that was essentially alluding that Trump
00:07:44.540 had these Russia problems, you know, be on the lookout for it.
00:07:48.180 Now, look, nobody paid attention to any of that stuff in 2016.
00:07:52.020 It died quickly because it was a joke.
00:07:54.340 Nobody believed it.
00:07:55.200 They tried to, they tried to spin up this Russia stuff on Trump in 16 and it just died.
00:07:59.960 And then they went on to the Billy Bush tapes.
00:08:01.600 Remember that?
00:08:02.160 And then remember how this all, then how this got resurrected is because after the election,
00:08:09.220 when Trump stuns everybody and wins in 2016, they said, oh, what the hell are we going to
00:08:15.380 do now?
00:08:16.180 And Comey and Obama and all of them said, well, we're going to go all in.
00:08:21.760 We're going to put the justice system, the justice department, the FBI, we're going after
00:08:26.340 Trump.
00:08:26.680 And they did that a couple of weeks after Trump won in 2016.
00:08:31.200 And we have, we have records of that.
00:08:33.420 We know who was in that meeting.
00:08:35.240 I mean, it's, it's amazing.
00:08:37.200 And Susan Wright leaves that meeting and she's like, we did nothing wrong in this meeting.
00:08:42.540 It was, it was like, what are you for?
00:08:47.220 So, because Glenn, don't you normally, uh, like when I get off your radio show, you just
00:08:51.780 pin something down, talk to Devin Nunes.
00:08:53.540 We did nothing wrong.
00:08:55.340 Exactly right.
00:08:56.220 We didn't break the law or do anything wrong.
00:08:59.240 That would be suspicious even.
00:09:00.880 Um, so, so here he is, um, uh, CIA chief.
00:09:07.680 He is colluding with, uh, Anthony, Anthony Blinken, who is, uh, at the time high up in
00:09:18.360 the Biden campaign.
00:09:20.220 Morell says, I didn't even think of this until I talked to Blinken.
00:09:24.320 So you have the, you have the campaign reaching out to the CIA and he said, I got the idea
00:09:33.600 from Blinken and I did it and I wouldn't have done it without Blinken.
00:09:37.940 Yeah.
00:09:40.120 So, so, so, so what happens in as best as I can describe it, and this is where Morell's the
00:09:46.220 least of the problems here.
00:09:47.680 Okay.
00:09:48.500 So Morell is, you know, outside, he's on the outside now.
00:09:52.040 I assume he still holds a security clearance.
00:09:54.460 Many of those 51 signers still hold a security clearance.
00:09:58.500 They're in high level positions for likely government contractors.
00:10:02.900 You know, they work there, they sit on boards of these big defense companies that provide,
00:10:07.660 um, uh, intelligence and products to, to our military industrial complex.
00:10:13.060 So what, what happens here is Morell, um, is the guy that they, you know, he's the go-to
00:10:18.720 guy, right?
00:10:19.220 He's the fix it guy because he did it in Benghazi. 0.98
00:10:22.120 He did it in Russia.
00:10:23.260 Oh, this is definitely the guy we can do it.
00:10:25.600 Now, look, he's trying to move up in the Soviet style apparatchik system.
00:10:29.640 He just wants to be CIA director so badly.
00:10:32.480 That's Morell's story.
00:10:33.820 So he was always willing to do anything that the left wanted him, wanted them to do.
00:10:40.020 So when Blinken calls them, who's at the Biden pen center, no less at the time, and in 2020.
00:10:48.440 So, and says, Hey, we got this coming out.
00:10:50.500 We need some help here.
00:10:51.540 Morell, can you help us?
00:10:53.400 Oh, oh yeah, absolutely.
00:10:54.820 And let's get a letter.
00:10:55.520 Okay.
00:10:55.700 Where's the letter?
00:10:56.320 Okay.
00:10:56.520 Here.
00:10:57.020 And then they go get 51 of probably the most respected names on the left.
00:11:02.060 Everybody knows them as, as, as left guys, left-wing guys, but you know, relatively well-respected
00:11:07.660 former CIA directors, et cetera, four-star general, that sort of thing.
00:11:12.880 And Morell, uh, goes on, on the request of Blinken to do this now.
00:11:18.140 And they do it.
00:11:18.940 And of course, it's all a lie.
00:11:19.980 It's all a scam.
00:11:20.440 And they know it's a lie.
00:11:21.780 Now, the biggest problem here, Glenn, that we have, Blinken gets rewarded for this.
00:11:27.460 And he is now, people don't realize the secretary of state position is often seen in, not only
00:11:35.160 in the United States of America and Washington, but around the world as the number three position
00:11:39.000 in the entire government of the United States.
00:11:40.820 Oh yeah.
00:11:41.820 Big time.
00:11:43.200 Big time.
00:11:43.760 You know, it's a position not, you know, it's not always in the news.
00:11:46.220 It's not something new domestically.
00:11:47.620 People see a lot, but, but, you know, that is our voice.
00:11:50.560 It's the head of our foreign service.
00:11:52.320 So, and by the way, um, the head of the Afghanistan debacle to the state department was put in
00:12:00.360 charge of that, of the, uh, evacuation over the Pentagon.
00:12:04.560 It was crazy.
00:12:05.440 Um, well, if you put, if you put political actors leftists in that couldn't find their
00:12:11.780 way out of a paper bag, you get disasters and we've seen it over and over again.
00:12:16.760 And don't forget.
00:12:17.380 Okay.
00:12:17.600 Yeah.
00:12:18.180 Afghanistan's bad enough. 1.00
00:12:19.220 What about Ukraine?
00:12:20.320 That's turning into a disaster.
00:12:21.720 What about nobody's paying attention to Sudan?
00:12:24.620 Right.
00:12:25.060 I was, I was not, not that they aren't paying attention.
00:12:28.600 They are just letting those Americans rot. 1.00
00:12:32.300 Just, ah, you know what?
00:12:33.940 You're going to have to get out on your own.
00:12:35.280 We told you, you shouldn't go there.
00:12:36.880 Oh my gosh.
00:12:38.960 Yeah.
00:12:39.380 And one of them is a, is, is a teacher, uh, as I understand it, that was there working
00:12:45.100 for the government.
00:12:45.800 So a lot of times when we have foreigners overseas, we have a school system for the kids, 1.00
00:12:50.920 the children of those, of those people that are working on the United States government.
00:12:54.120 As I understand it, one of them is a teacher.
00:12:56.460 So they're saying, oh, there's no U S personnel there.
00:12:58.380 Well, that poor lady's only there because she was part of the servicing the Americans 1.00
00:13:03.640 that were in Sudan.
00:13:05.580 Anyway, I mean, it's just that this guy's overseeing one debacle after another.
00:13:11.460 And, and, and none of these, what I've said over and over again, anyone who signed that
00:13:17.600 letter, all 51 of them, not only should they never hold another government job in their
00:13:23.480 lifetime, they shouldn't have a security clearance, not one of them.
00:13:29.040 So, you know, we're living in a time where the Congress can refer anybody to, you know,
00:13:35.000 take action against.
00:13:35.960 I asked, I asked a congressman, I said, why, why aren't you going after these guys who have
00:13:41.640 lied under oath?
00:13:42.840 And he said, because all we can do is give it to the justice department.
00:13:46.160 And then they decide if they're going to prosecute or not.
00:13:49.840 Is that really, is that really the way this works?
00:13:53.360 And there's no way around that.
00:13:54.900 Well, look, I mean, you know, you know, as well as anybody, how the legislative branch
00:13:59.860 works.
00:14:00.300 I don't know specifically what, you know, what you're referring to, but what the, what
00:14:05.800 they really have to do is, is not only make referrals, but they have to continue to dig
00:14:10.880 and dig.
00:14:11.340 And it's, and it, look, it's very frustrating.
00:14:13.400 I mean, look, I hadn't covered all of this dirt, you know, with our team and, you know,
00:14:18.640 and you see, like we said, we'd like, we talked about Durham, now Durham's still going,
00:14:22.940 but clearly he's being limited, but I always say that, you know, the Congress doesn't have,
00:14:27.160 they don't have guns.
00:14:27.860 They don't have badges.
00:14:28.760 They can't go arrest somebody, but they've got to pin these guys down, right?
00:14:33.060 Like they can't just let this Morrell and Blinken thing go.
00:14:37.960 And I know it's hard, and this is going to be the challenge is that you, and I get it.
00:14:42.460 I was there.
00:14:43.060 I was one of those, those congressman guys.
00:14:46.520 You know, it's tough.
00:14:47.780 You gotta, you gotta work with, you gotta work with the state department.
00:14:51.400 You gotta work with all these, with the executive branch.
00:14:54.180 They have things that, you have things that you need for your constituents.
00:14:57.600 You know, you want to try to make the government function, and it's human nature not to want
00:15:03.460 to have that conflict.
00:15:05.440 But the thing is, is that we are living in a dystopian world that's getting worse.
00:15:11.160 And what I tell my colleagues, you know, that my former colleagues is, is guys, this is not,
00:15:15.940 you know, you know, maybe in 15 and 16, you could play that way.
00:15:20.220 You can't play that way today, knowing how they've weaponized the government.
00:15:23.520 You have to pin these people down.
00:15:25.260 Yeah.
00:15:25.760 And you have to continue to subpoena every single person around them.
00:15:28.920 And you've got to publicize the criminal referrals.
00:15:31.160 Imagine how, if, you know, the old saying is, one generation, what they tolerate, the next
00:15:38.120 one embraces.
00:15:39.560 And look at what we're tolerating.
00:15:41.620 If we don't stop tolerating this stuff, when we fully embrace this corruption, we absolutely
00:15:49.700 are Venezuela.
00:15:51.360 It's, it's nasty.
00:15:53.000 Devin, thank you so much.
00:15:54.700 Yep.
00:15:55.040 Absolutely, Glenn.
00:15:56.020 It's good to talk to you.
00:15:57.080 And I'd love to have you on more often.
00:15:59.100 You've got a great perspective on things.
00:16:01.900 Thank you so much.
00:16:02.740 Great to be with you.
00:16:04.240 Thank you.
00:16:04.660 Devin Nunes from Truth Social.
00:16:06.920 He's the CEO and former U.S. congressman.
00:16:13.540 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:16:15.500 And we really want to thank you for listening.
00:16:22.460 Jack Phillips is with us, along with Matt Sharp.
00:16:25.060 He is from the ADF Alliance Defending Freedom.
00:16:28.560 He's senior counsel.
00:16:29.720 Been on the program before.
00:16:31.620 Jack, welcome back to the program.
00:16:34.060 I wish we didn't have to do this all over again.
00:16:38.360 Thank you, Mr. Beck.
00:16:39.320 It's a pleasure to be here today.
00:16:40.780 Yeah.
00:16:42.220 Can I ask you, I think this is the worst theft I've ever seen in my life.
00:16:50.900 These people have stolen 10 years of your life.
00:16:58.860 How are you dealing with that, Jack?
00:17:02.240 Well, we're grateful to have ADF there beside us through this whole thing.
00:17:07.040 But I just want to make it clear that the people that are suing me, I welcome in my shop.
00:17:11.400 I welcome everybody who comes into my shop at Masterpiece Cake Shop, but I just can't express every message that people ask us to create with our custom cakes.
00:17:19.140 And that was the case over 10 years ago now when two men came in and asked me to create a cake to celebrate their wedding.
00:17:27.300 And it was a view of a wedding that goes against my beliefs for what weddings are.
00:17:31.960 And so I told them, you know, I'll sell you other cakes, other custom cakes, sell you anything in my shop, cookies, brownies, but I just can't create a cake for a same-sex wedding that goes against my faith. 0.99
00:17:42.540 And they stormed out of my shop, swearing at me, flipping me off, went to the state, filed a complaint.
00:17:48.840 The state sued me.
00:17:49.980 And that case ended up at the U.S. Supreme Court, like you know, and we won 7-2.
00:17:54.300 The day that the court granted our case so, an attorney here in Colorado called us up and asked us to create a cake that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside.
00:18:05.080 And then we were informed that those colors were symbolic of changing gender, changing from a man to a woman.
00:18:11.120 So we told this attorney that we would be glad to serve other custom cakes, create other custom cakes, serve them in any way that we would serve anybody else.
00:18:18.180 But the cake expressed a message that I didn't want to create.
00:18:22.560 And so that person sued us through the state that went forward and then I was dismissed.
00:18:27.260 And now we're in the same lawsuit with the same person in a civil case.
00:18:31.380 And we lost the first two rounds.
00:18:33.860 And so ADF has asked the state Supreme Court to hear our case.
00:18:37.960 And so we're waiting for the results of that.
00:18:40.600 Jack, I got to go back to my first question.
00:18:43.240 Sure.
00:18:43.840 How are you doing this?
00:18:44.900 It's 10 years.
00:18:47.760 Do you I mean, I know you're a believer.
00:18:49.920 I know you're doing things because you really, truly believe that this is wrong.
00:18:55.980 And I can't thank you enough as a citizen for doing this.
00:18:59.760 But do you ever get to a point where you're like, I can't take it?
00:19:06.200 No, this is the right thing to do.
00:19:09.320 It's it's a big fight.
00:19:11.040 And it is for every American because free speech is for everyone.
00:19:15.200 And we're hoping that this court will overturn it.
00:19:17.900 But again, like I said, with ADF backing this up and knowing that we have the best legal team that you could possibly have in a situation like this is is reassuring.
00:19:28.300 So let me go to Matt, Matt, tell me what this case is, is looking at, why it went civil and why you're having a hard time or he had a hard time before you guys came on board.
00:19:42.360 Yeah, well, as you mentioned earlier, you know, the Supreme Court ruled for Jack, but focused on the hostility that Colorado was showing to Jack, where it was comparing his beliefs about marriage to being no different than those of Nazis and those responsible for the Holocaust.
00:19:59.140 And so the Supreme Court didn't get to that core question of, can Colorado force artists like Jack to speak a message to support a cause or idea that violates their belief?
00:20:10.720 And that's what we're fighting for now is we want that definitive ruling to say that the Constitution clearly protects the speech of every American and including artists like Jack.
00:20:20.440 Isn't that what the first Supreme Court decision said?
00:20:23.040 No, they didn't go all the way there. They just focused on that hostility and sort of, you know, save the bigger question for another day.
00:20:30.940 And so we're litigating it now on Jack. We've got another case, Lori Smith of 303 Creative.
00:20:36.040 It's at the U.S. Supreme Court challenging the same Colorado law.
00:20:39.540 So we're hopeful that we are going to get that ruling that's going to put an end once and for all to these vexatious challenges against Jack and allow him to go back to doing what he loves to do.
00:20:49.960 I go back to, you know, I think 10 years have been stolen. Stolen? Stole? That's a word. That's probably the right word, right?
00:20:59.060 Yes, that's a word.
00:20:59.940 It's also a bread, so we should ask Jack about it.
00:21:03.280 But I just think, you know, there's at some point should be a penalty for people who are intentionally trying to destroy someone's life just to make a point.
00:21:19.140 Yeah, and especially with this case, I mean, the person doing this, this activist attorney admitted that if this case was thrown out, come back in the next day and ask for another cake that they know Jack could not do because of his beliefs.
00:21:33.300 And we're bringing that point out. We're raising awareness that this was a setup, that this was an effort to try and punish and harass Jack because of his beliefs, and we're not going to stand for it.
00:21:42.360 Yeah, can you counter-sue it all? I mean, this is harassment. This is harassment.
00:21:50.180 Yeah, well, that's why we're hopeful that the Colorado Supreme Court is going to shut this down once and for all and make sure that these types of claims can't be brought anymore against Jack or others like him.
00:21:58.260 And how is the – what's the makeup of the Colorado Supreme Court?
00:22:03.780 Well, you know, we've been through this process before the first time around, and they didn't show willingness to stand for the Constitution and uphold Jack's free speech rights.
00:22:17.500 But we're hopeful that they'll see what this delegation is doing to them and how this is being – like you said, the harassment and these laws are being misused to punish Jack and try and coerce him because of his beliefs.
00:22:29.100 And what happens if the Colorado courts turn you away and say, nope, we side with the – what is it, the plaintiff?
00:22:38.680 We side with the guys who want the cake, and the Supreme Court just doesn't take his case. What happens to Jack then?
00:22:46.160 You know, it could be ruinous for them. It could have severe impacts, but this is where we're optimistic that if not the Colorado Supreme Court, then we are going to ask the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:22:58.660 And we're hopeful that whether it's in Jack's case or Lori Smith's case, as I mentioned, that's pending there, that we are going to get the Supreme Court to reaffirm that you can't force Americans to speak messages to support causes that they disagree with.
00:23:10.860 It's amazing. Matt, thank you for being there. ADF, you guys do so much. And if it wasn't for you, I mean, people are having a hard time finding attorneys now because the attorney firm will be hassled.
00:23:25.920 And so that's just not worth the headache to stand up and defend the Bill of Rights. So thank you for everything you guys do.
00:23:32.760 I will say to Jack, you know, I find it very difficult to come to a conclusion on this case without tasting these baked goods for myself.
00:23:39.880 I don't know. I mean, I think it would only be fair if we got some baked goods from time to time from Jack, but no.
00:23:48.280 He's like, you will purchase the baked goods. We will not send them to you.
00:23:53.680 More important things than that, I suppose.
00:23:56.740 Jack, sincerely, thank you for standing.
00:24:00.840 God puts you in the right place at the right time. I'm kidding.
00:24:05.480 Yeah, thanks for allowing us to share our story and hopefully encourage other people to do what's right.
00:24:12.000 Because, like I said earlier, free speech is for everyone.
00:24:15.080 These cases are not just about me and my cake shop. They're about every American.
00:24:19.380 God bless you.
00:24:19.840 And so we're hopeful for a good result.
00:24:22.800 Thank you very much, Jack.
00:24:24.200 Jack Phillips, Masterpiece Cake Shop.
00:24:26.820 Ten years.
00:24:28.660 Incredible.
00:24:29.300 Of dealing with this.
00:24:30.160 This poor guy has just been beaten down.
00:24:31.900 I mean, at some point, I mean, just as a human, you would have to say,
00:24:37.860 I mean, I just want to make cakes.
00:24:45.160 How much time has been, again, holiday stolen from him?
00:24:53.820 How much time has been taken from this man?
00:24:58.100 And there's got to be times when you're just like, I mean, I know he is sincere in his faith.
00:25:07.980 Oh, that's incredibly clear.
00:25:10.040 Yeah, and that's why, you know, God put him in the right place.
00:25:14.180 They're picking on the wrong guy because this guy, he is clear.
00:25:18.400 How many of us have that kind of faith?
00:25:21.940 It's so hard because there's such a pragmatic cost to it for him.
00:25:26.740 You know, his life is being destroyed.
00:25:28.780 And, you know, you can tell that he really cares about this.
00:25:32.480 But, you know, after six months, it would be really hard to keep going.
00:25:37.100 It's just, I don't know, just make the cake.
00:25:38.980 You know, I mean, that has to.
00:25:40.500 I know if I'm running this cake shop, first of all, it's probably very much losing money because I'm eating all the goods.
00:25:47.200 But secondarily, I think it would be, that would definitely cross my mind.
00:25:51.860 If I felt the way he did, I would be like, all right, you know, this is ridiculous.
00:25:55.580 I'm going to ruin my entire life over this.
00:25:57.920 I would move to a friendlier state.
00:26:00.120 Right, you'd move to a friendlier state, you'd close down your shop.
00:26:03.760 There'd be a hundred things that would cross your mind.
00:26:05.840 And every time we've talked to him, I've never really had the sense that that has been the case with him.
00:26:09.620 He's always been just like, I'm just going to hold strong.
00:26:11.620 Because, I mean, when you have that kind of faith, you know that you should expect persecution.
00:26:19.780 You're standing against evil.
00:26:23.340 Yeah.
00:26:23.780 And, of course, you're going to be a target.
00:26:26.100 And, you know, hopefully, Jack, in a way, looks at it as a badge of honor.
00:26:31.560 I mean, that guy's earning his place in the history books, and he's earning his place in the afterworld.
00:26:40.740 I mean, he still believes in that sky god in the afterworld.
00:26:44.080 Boy, is he going to be surprised when he wakes up in the coffin.
00:26:46.740 Anyway.
00:26:49.520 That's how it works at all.
00:26:50.860 Oh, really?
00:26:51.860 Anyway, Jack Phillips.
00:26:54.340 He was clear he was not sending us baked goods, though, I will say.
00:26:56.880 Yeah, that was very clear.
00:26:59.020 He was freezing us out.
00:27:00.500 Do you remember when Tony Bennett was on my show?
00:27:04.140 He had a live orchestra, and I had an hour with him, and he would play his music.
00:27:10.200 And I asked him at the end, I said, I can't have Tony Bennett on without, you know, asking you to do your most famous song.
00:27:17.880 But, I mean, if you're sick of doing it, you don't have to.
00:27:20.740 I'm trying to be nice to him.
00:27:21.980 Sure.
00:27:22.660 And he said, what song are you talking about?
00:27:25.980 And I said, you know, I left my heart in San Francisco.
00:27:28.880 And he said, why wouldn't I like it?
00:27:30.540 And he just, like, snapped on me.
00:27:32.720 He got angry.
00:27:33.620 He got really angry.
00:27:34.700 Why wouldn't I like that song?
00:27:35.760 And I'm like, I don't know.
00:27:36.880 I was just trying to be nice.
00:27:37.980 I was just trying to give you an out on that.
00:27:39.340 And I got that vibe from Jack a little bit when you said, I want free baked goods.
00:27:46.220 I feel like he might now, if I went in there to purchase him, he might kick me out of the cake shop.
00:27:50.080 There might be a whole other suit here. 0.97
00:27:51.620 I might be suing him.
00:27:52.940 I won't make anything for you.
00:27:56.460 Get out.
00:28:00.240 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
00:28:02.560 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.
00:28:10.340 Up in Michigan, I read a story yesterday that middle school students there have filed a suit
00:28:16.000 after the school forces them to take off their Let's Go Brandon sweatshirts.
00:28:21.900 The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression attorney, known as FIRE, and you can find them at thefire.org.
00:28:29.640 Conor Fitzpatrick is joining us with us because these guys are minors protecting their anonymity.
00:28:37.100 They're not going to be on with us, but we're going to talk to Patrick about this case.
00:28:40.460 He's fighting it up in Michigan.
00:28:44.040 Hello, Patrick.
00:28:44.900 How are you?
00:28:45.560 Or Conor?
00:28:46.140 How are you, Patrick?
00:28:47.800 Good morning.
00:28:48.280 Great.
00:28:48.560 Great to be here.
00:28:49.320 Yeah, thanks.
00:28:49.940 So, Conor, is this inconsistent with their dress code?
00:28:59.460 You know, how can they file suit if there is a dress code that says you can't wear things that cause attention being brought to you or disruptive?
00:29:11.680 So, the dress code provision that the school is relying on to ban these Let's Go Brandon hoodies says that you're not allowed to wear vulgar or profane clothing.
00:29:22.900 That's what the school is relying on.
00:29:24.580 But, of course, these hoodies aren't vulgar.
00:29:26.360 They aren't profane.
00:29:27.400 No.
00:29:27.500 Now, they're a cultural reference to a different chant, which, admittedly, you can't say at school.
00:29:33.840 Kids can't drop the F-bomb in class.
00:29:35.720 We all agree with that.
00:29:37.020 But these students aren't doing that.
00:29:38.760 They are intentionally using a sanitized, non-vulgar, non-profane slogan in order to get their point across.
00:29:46.660 And that's squarely protected by the First Amendment.
00:29:49.080 So, what is the school saying?
00:29:51.280 When you filed suit with them, what did the school say?
00:29:55.040 We have not heard anything from the school or the school district since we filed suit, other than that they acknowledged my email when I emailed the lawsuit to them.
00:30:06.120 And did the parents reach out?
00:30:08.780 How did this come to be a suit?
00:30:11.460 How many kids are involved?
00:30:13.720 And did the parents reach out to the school first and try to get answers or some open minds on this?
00:30:22.700 So, we have two students who are plaintiffs in our case, both of whom were ordered by the school district to remove Let's Go Brandon sweatshirts.
00:30:32.240 And the ironic thing about all of this is this shouldn't have required a lawsuit.
00:30:36.980 Last year, through attorneys, the parents wrote to the school district, set out the pertinent Supreme Court law and the First Amendment law and said,
00:30:45.800 Hey, you have to allow these hoodies. They're protected by the First Amendment.
00:30:49.400 Unfortunately, the school doubled down.
00:30:51.440 They dug their heels in.
00:30:53.000 And that's why we're in federal court.
00:30:55.320 Jeez.
00:30:55.840 And your thoughts on the case and ramifications if you win or lose?
00:31:03.040 My thoughts on the case are, admittedly, I'm a little bit biased, but I think these hoodies are squarely protected by the First Amendment.
00:31:09.080 You know, a little more than 50 years ago, the Supreme Court decided the major student speech case.
00:31:14.120 It's called Tinker v. Des Moines.
00:31:15.940 And there, middle school students, like these kids, went to school and they wore black armbands to protest the Vietnam War.
00:31:22.640 And the Supreme Court held that as long as the students aren't being disruptive, as long as they aren't disrupting lessons,
00:31:29.220 kids have a First Amendment right to peacefully express their political views in school.
00:31:33.880 And what schools can't do and what the school's doing here is playing favorites, allowing some students to express their political views, their social views,
00:31:43.580 but stopping other students from expressing theirs.
00:31:46.300 And it's really amazing to me that, you know, once you get into college, the entire system is trying to teach you to stand up and protest and disrupt.
00:31:58.340 And it's now in our our middle schools and elementary schools as well.
00:32:04.020 But here the schools are saying, no, no, no, you can't disrupt.
00:32:09.020 You can't do that when everything on the left is all about chaos and disruption.
00:32:14.800 So under the Supreme Court's precedent, as long as students aren't being disruptive, you're not allowed to stand up and start chanting protests in class.
00:32:23.480 We all agree with that.
00:32:24.460 And that's the ironic thing about this case, Glenn, is that the school has never contended that these kids were being disruptive.
00:32:31.280 They were going about their day, doing their schoolwork, going from class to class, and they just happened to be wearing a Let's Go Brandon hoodie.
00:32:38.780 But the school singled them out and ordered them to remove their sweatshirts based on the political message that they wish to express.
00:32:45.680 And that's where the Constitution gets involved.
00:32:47.700 Talking to Connor Fitzpatrick, Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, you can find him at thefire.org.
00:32:55.360 Connor, tell me, if you lose this case, what are the ramifications?
00:33:05.040 And if you win this case, does it go further than just this school?
00:33:09.440 So we certainly hope we don't lose.
00:33:14.360 If we do, I think there's a good chance we'll take it to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals and higher if we need to.
00:33:20.000 But the overall point of this case and the overall importance of the First Amendment in public schools is that we should be encouraging young people, not discouraging them.
00:33:30.320 We should be encouraging them to engage in political expression, to talk about the issues with their friends.
00:33:36.440 And if it causes a debate or an argument, so much for the better.
00:33:40.780 You know, Glenn, we count on our schools to prepare our kids for real life.
00:33:44.180 That's what we always say.
00:33:45.360 Schools should prepare kids for real life.
00:33:47.900 Well, in real life, people are going to disagree with them.
00:33:50.860 They're going to have neighbors and coworkers and even elected officials who don't think or talk or even pray the same way they do.
00:34:00.460 So the earlier they start getting exposed to views that they disagree with and start having those discussions, that's what's going to prepare them for a productive life as an American citizen.
00:34:10.240 And I have to tell you, there is no education without an honest search of all sides and without friction, you know, opposition in all things.
00:34:21.120 That's biblical.
00:34:22.240 There is opposition in all things, and it's necessary.
00:34:26.260 And you will never sharpen a knife without the opposition of the stone.
00:34:31.540 You will never educate your children unless they are occasionally offended.
00:34:37.540 I mean, I think the best teachers are the ones that will take one side and really argue and push the kids up against the wall and then halfway through switch sides and argue hard the other way.
00:34:54.440 That's the only way you are ever challenged to think for yourself.
00:35:01.780 That's absolutely right, Glenn.
00:35:03.960 Our schools are not assembly lines of conformity.
00:35:07.300 We leave that to China and we leave that to Russia. 0.89
00:35:09.880 We encourage our American students to think critically about their own views, to consider the possibility that they might be wrong.
00:35:17.780 Yeah.
00:35:18.080 Because that's how you put your views to the test.
00:35:20.880 Yeah.
00:35:21.700 Thank you so much for everything you guys are doing.
00:35:23.860 Really appreciate it.
00:35:25.400 Thanks, Connor.
00:35:25.760 Thank you for having me.
00:35:26.540 You bet.
00:35:27.300 Connor Fitzpatrick from thefire.org.
00:35:30.640 Na, na, na, na.