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00:00:52.660 Byron York is the chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner and author of the book

00:00:58.120 Obsession and a host of the podcast, the Byron York show. Welcome, Byron. How are you, sir?

00:01:04.780 Hi, Glenn. I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.

00:01:07.520 Good. I you know, I have we've got about 20 minutes and I want to run through a bunch of things

00:01:11.920 with you. First of all, I was talking to Victor Davis Hanson the other day and I asked him this

00:01:18.160 question in your book really kind of I mean, this is what your book is about obsession, the obsession

00:01:23.880 that people had on getting rid of Donald Trump and just destroying him at all all costs.

00:01:31.180 And I asked him when it comes to the media.

00:01:34.700 The media, I know, hated themselves because they thought that they had, you know,

00:01:40.320 them playing footsie with him helped him get elected.

00:01:42.900 But is it is it just that or was the media's obsession with this also pushed by the elites

00:01:51.260 in, you know, the FBI or the CIA, any of the deep state stuff that saw Donald Trump as a real

00:01:58.140 threat because he was going to upset the apple cart one way or another and and they weren't

00:02:05.360 going to have any of that. Which was the main factor, the the press just hating him and hating

00:02:12.980 themselves or the deep state really kind of juicing that up and pushing stuff at them?

00:02:20.720 Yeah, that is an incredibly difficult question. You're right. The book is about that. It's called

00:02:27.080 obsession. And it is about this obsession with getting Trump that that began well before he was

00:02:34.020 elected, that continued with the appointment of a special counsel and the whole Russia thing and

00:02:39.440 then impeachment and then another impeachment. So there was this this obsession. I mean, there were

00:02:46.480 there were Democrats who introduced a bill to to impeach Donald Trump in 2017 for comments that he

00:02:54.960 made about Colin Kaepernick in the NFL. So, I mean, that's that's where we are. It was an

00:02:59.840 obsession. So the question is, you raise a great question. I'm not a really good armchair psychologist,

00:03:07.060 but I do believe that the success of Trump was deeply threatening to a lot of people. It was

00:03:15.580 it was threatening to some people who felt that they had some manner of input and control over the

00:03:21.400 Republican Party agenda. And they became never Trumpers. It was it was threatening to people who

00:03:31.520 believed. You remember this after 2008 and Obama's big victory in 2008. There was a lot of talk of the

00:03:40.680 Obama coalition, a group of minorities and young people. And there was this idea that that Democrats

00:03:50.120 had kind of cracked the code and that they would win the presidency from now on, because demographic

00:03:56.480 change, especially the rise of the Hispanic population in the United States, would literally 0.97

00:04:01.240 ensure the election of a Democratic president from now on. And they were absolutely stunned that

00:04:07.480 Trump won. But you're right. There's the darker side. The dark underside of that

00:04:13.940 is what the intelligence and law enforcement agencies did during the Trump period. And maybe they were

00:04:22.000 feeling threatened in sort of the same way that others were. But the fact is, they surveilled a

00:04:31.420 presidential campaign. And they did extraordinary things like like the the meeting, which I still can't

00:04:40.380 get over on January 6, 2017, two weeks before Trump is sworn in, in which James Comey, who's then the

00:04:49.620 head of the FBI, briefs, asks to brief Trump one to one, one on one. And he tells him that the FBI has

00:04:57.940 his information about him and prostitutes in Russia. And Comey specifically worried ahead of time that Trump

00:05:05.820 might take it as kind of, and this is Comey's words, a J. Edgar Hoover move. And of course, the reason

00:05:11.380 Comey worried about that is because it was a J. Edgar Hoover move. And so what I'm trying to get at

00:05:19.120 here is that you had the intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies doing extraordinary things,

00:05:24.800 the whole dossier to try to expel Trump, you know, from the system. And so there was this broad

00:05:32.860 obsession. And I think the motivations were different to different people. But but it was

00:05:40.200 there. And you're right, it hasn't gone away. Yeah, and it is the people who supported Trump,

00:05:47.120 and that includes, you know, most Democrats, I mean, sorry, most Republicans, whether they were

00:05:51.480 big supporters or not, it doesn't matter. If you're not in line, now it's your turn to be smeared and

00:05:57.000 destroyed. And just when you thought the FBI couldn't get any worse, there's a couple of things.

00:06:02.120 First of all, I read and I saw your great article rebutting this, the FBI now saying that the

00:06:11.320 Alexandria shooting, the the baseball shooting, I mean, notice it doesn't have a name, it's you have

00:06:16.720 to kind of explain it before people even remember it, where Steve Scalise and all of the Republicans

00:06:21.560 were would have been killed if it wasn't by the grace of God, just this massacre. The FBI comes out

00:06:30.180 and says that wasn't politically motivated. The guy had the names of the representatives in his

00:06:37.080 pocket with physical descriptions. How is this suicide by cop? Yeah, this is absolutely stunning

00:06:43.520 news. And we just learned this about a week and a half ago. And what happened, everybody does remember

00:06:49.600 it was June 14th, 2017. The team was practicing, they were in Alexandria, it was all Republicans

00:06:55.000 practicing for the congressional baseball game. Man comes up, asked one of the Republicans,

00:07:01.540 Jeff Duncan, Republican from South Carolina, is leaving early. Man comes up and asked, is this the

00:07:06.680 Republican team or the Democratic team? And Jeff Duncan, having no idea what's going on, who the man is,

00:07:12.220 says it's the Republican team. And shortly after he pulls out a semi-automatic rifle, begins firing

00:07:18.400 grievously wounds. Steve Scalise, a lobbyist, is terribly wounded as well. Two others wounded less

00:07:25.320 seriously. And until the man, James Hodgkinson, is finally killed. So you're absolutely right. He is a,

00:07:33.020 he, he prides himself as a member of the resistance. He's a house inspector in Ohio. And he,

00:07:41.000 post things on his Facebook page, like, quote, Trump is a traitor. Trump has destroyed our 1.00

00:07:47.820 democracy. It's time to destroy Trump and company. He was also part of a Facebook group, like, 0.99

00:07:55.480 which was called Terminate the Republican Party. So he quit his job, goes to Alexandria, lives in his van

00:08:03.220 with his gun, with his gun, and waits. And you're right, he specifically targets Republicans. He has

00:08:11.340 a list in his pocket of congressional Republicans he wants to kill. Okay, and so he does it. And 0.99

00:08:18.740 there's absolutely no doubt, and he's a big Bernie Sanders supporter for what it's worth. There's no

00:08:23.420 doubt that he attacks these members of Congress because there are Republicans. It was a clear act

00:08:32.160 of violent, politically motivated domestic terrorism. And if you remember, even at that time,

00:08:39.480 the FBI was telling us that the greatest threat to our national security was violent domestic

00:08:47.180 terrorism. Okay, so FBI, obviously, Hodgkinson is killed at the scene, so there's no manhunt.

00:08:54.720 But they began investigating this and looking into Hodgkinson. And the shooting is in June. And in

00:09:04.040 November, the FBI has a private meeting with the members of Congress who were there. And the FBI

00:09:11.000 says, well, we've discovered the cause. And they say, well, and the FBI says, well, it's suicide by cop.

00:09:18.580 And the Republicans are just dumbstruck. I mean, they said, what? I mean, they literally go, what?

00:09:26.740 And they say, look, if you want to commit suicide by cop, you point a gun at police. And that will

00:09:33.300 usually do the trick. You don't go attack Republican members of the House. Besides, there was a small

00:09:43.480 Capitol Police detail at the practice that day. Because Steve Scalise, House whip, a Republican

00:09:52.080 whip, was a member of the House leadership, so he had a security detail. They were in plain clothes.

00:09:57.060 They were in an unmarked car. The shooter did not know they were there. This was not suicide by cop.

00:10:02.100 There's simply no way in the world it's suicide by cop. One interesting thing is, Republicans are often

00:10:10.060 pretty discreet about these things. They didn't leak it. We didn't hear that. This was the FBI told

00:10:16.480 them it was suicide by cop in November of 2017. And we just found it out because one of those

00:10:23.640 Republicans, Brad Winstrup, who was there that day and played a heroic role, revealed it in a hearing

00:10:31.260 a week and a half ago at the House Intelligence Committee. And he revealed it because he had Christopher

00:10:37.900 Ray, the FBI director, in front of him. So he told him about all this stuff. And you know what

00:10:44.780 Ray's first response was? Well, I wasn't director then. Fine, you weren't director then. But the FBI

00:10:50.560 did this. And so Winstrup sort of demanded that the FBI explain to them what evidentiary and analytical

00:10:59.740 process it went through to determine that this was a suicide by cop as opposed to what it clearly was,

00:11:06.420 a domestic terror attack. So here's why this is really relevant. You know, they said that Brian

00:11:14.220 Sicknick was, you know, killed by in the Capitol riots, they say this is the worst thing that's ever

00:11:19.140 happened. And they're obsessed over all this. Sicknick did not die from injuries at the Capitol.

00:11:27.600 He died of a stroke the next day in the hospital. So they're trying to make this into really an Alexandria

00:11:38.240 kind of moment where it wasn't. It was a horrible, horrible moment. But it wasn't something where they

00:11:45.100 were going in and trying to kill everybody, at least seriously, like this guy was could have been and

00:11:52.280 was horrible in and of itself. But the media and the FBI seem so focused on only things that come from the

00:12:01.800 right that I am I don't trust the FBI anymore. And that is that's saying something, Byron. I've always trusted

00:12:11.040 the FBI and and and the government. I mean, you know, I've I've been skeptical, you know, and see, let me see all the

00:12:17.540 evidence. But I don't trust them at all anymore. Yeah, I think that is one of the saddest results of

00:12:23.300 the last five years. And I think you're exactly right. First of all, I think maybe for your listeners,

00:12:27.860 we should say there are lots of parts of the FBI that do old fashioned crime fighting. They search for

00:12:36.540 murderers, they search for bank robbers, they search for all sorts of really bad people. And that sort of

00:12:44.160 rank and file FBI work is something we should all be glad for. But there was a managerial elite at the

00:12:51.940 top of the FBI that had become incredibly politicized. I mean, they actually had during the

00:12:58.420 2016 election, they had both major party candidates under investigation. I think there's something wrong

00:13:07.080 with that right there. But certainly when we discovered what they did with the dossier, the

00:13:13.480 Steele dossier, in which the FBI actually wanted to hire Christopher Steele to do his anti-Trump

00:13:22.420 research for them in the last months of the 2016 campaign. Absolutely inexcusable. They only had

00:13:30.240 to sort of cut him loose, because he was breaking their policy by talking to the press, because all

00:13:35.080 Steele wanted to do was expose Trump and try to defeat him in 2016. And even when the FBI had

00:13:42.640 to cut him loose, they maintained a back channel to him and continued to get what we now know were

00:13:48.280 these entirely false dossier reports. And then there was this sandbagging of Trump that I mentioned

00:13:56.760 earlier, the whole, we know about you and those hookers in Moscow thing. And then there was the 0.98

00:14:03.300 Michael Flynn case. I mean, so I think there's plenty of reason to not trust the leadership of

00:14:08.120 the FBI. There's the FISA. Are we ever going to get a final report? Are we ever going to see the

00:14:15.680 final report on any of this, do you think? Well, there is no final report on this whole thing.

00:14:23.240 Everybody has to piece together as best they can from what is out there. We know that there really is

00:14:30.420 a Durham investigation. I know a lot of conservatives have completely lost

00:14:34.280 faith or hope in that and think it's going to be nothing. But there are some people in Washington

00:14:39.020 who you would all trust, I think, who still think that Durham is going to come up with some

00:14:44.500 interesting stuff. But everything is just a part of the picture. You have to kind of put it together

00:14:50.360 yourself. But clearly the FISA thing in which the FBI misrepresented the evidence in order to

00:15:00.460 wiretap a former low-level Trump campaign aide, Carter Page, because that would be a doorway into

00:15:08.800 the larger Trump campaign. It's not because Carter Page was the most important person in the world.

00:15:13.340 It was because that would open a door into the Trump campaign, which they were investigating

00:15:18.940 during the campaign.

00:15:22.360 If you're not reading The Washington Examiner and following Byron York, you're reading,

00:15:27.620 I don't know what you're reading. You should be following The Washington Examiner. It is really,

00:15:31.600 really good. We read it every single day. Byron is the chief political correspondent and author of the

00:15:37.900 book Obsession, also another must-read, and the host of The Byron York Show. Thank you so much

00:15:43.320 Myra. We'll talk again.

00:15:44.680 Thank you, Glenn. It was a pleasure.

00:15:49.760 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:00.380 Yesterday we told you about a little nugget in a New York Times piece. It was like third

00:16:05.760 paragraph from the very end, and it was not even commented on. And it talked about how the Iranian

00:16:10.660 foreign ministers let it slip that John Kerry had personally advised him that Israel had struck

00:16:17.020 Iranian interest in Syria at least 200 times. Now, the White House yesterday said, we're not going to

00:16:23.500 talk about leaked tapes. Iran said this was a leaked tape. It was never supposed to be released.

00:16:28.940 It was given to a think tank. It was supposed to be held for posterity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:34.020 And the White House isn't commenting on this. Really, they're not commenting. So the interview

00:16:43.020 actually happened. The media is not stumbling over themselves to get to the bottom of whether

00:16:48.960 John Kerry leaked classified information of an ally to their number one enemy and an enemy

00:16:56.080 of the United States. Google the story. No one is asking the question. Now Google the story of Trump

00:17:04.840 leaking classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office. They went insane. That story isn't

00:17:11.540 even true. That story. But Google that story. That's there. They question that. Every major news

00:17:18.740 outlet in the country in the world were running the same angle. But nobody is saying anything about

00:17:24.520 this. So it's some anonymous source. It was a some anonymous source when they said this about Trump,

00:17:33.100 except the National Security Advisor and the Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy,

00:17:38.220 both in the room at the time, said that never happened. And they weren't known to be Trump lovers.

00:17:44.220 They said that never happened. But that didn't stop the media. The job of the media is to hold the

00:17:50.160 government accountable, but they're not doing it. It doesn't. It doesn't. The laws don't apply,

00:17:56.820 it seems, to some underground political elite. And John Kerry is in that protected zone.

00:18:02.220 So did he or did he not leak information about the Israelis to the Iranians? 0.53

00:18:12.160 Well, he said yesterday that these allegations are unequivocally false. This never happened either

00:18:18.760 when I was Secretary of State or since. But then the the State Department released information saying

00:18:26.460 the the information that Kerry allegedly leaked was already public knowledge and not classified in it.

00:18:34.040 John Kerry said it never happened. The State Department said it happened, but it was no big deal.

00:18:39.800 Which is it? The guy sits on the National Security Council. Which is it?

00:18:46.860 The comment on this and so much more is Donald Trump Jr.

00:18:51.060 Hey, Don, how are you?

00:18:52.800 I'm doing well yourself.

00:18:55.400 I'm good. I'm good. I think you and your family often say hi to your dad for us. How's he doing?

00:19:00.340 I he's doing well. I just saw him a few minutes ago. So he's doing really well. And, uh, you know,

00:19:06.300 I think you're saying it really well. I mean, it's sort of amazing what you can get away with.

00:19:10.220 If you're a Democrat, you know, I wrote the book about liberal privilege, but we're seeing it more

00:19:15.100 and more every day, whether it's John Kerry, whether it's Eric Swalwell sitting on the House

00:19:19.180 Intelligence Committee. Well, I guess it's OK for him to sleep with a Chinese spy. 0.95

00:19:23.320 Uh, it seems like a double standard. I would think, Glenn, that these people would lose their

00:19:27.420 minds if someone in the Trump administration did this.

00:19:29.980 Oh, they would have. And they rightfully should have. If your dad, I mean, this is what's crazy.

00:19:35.800 If your dad were giving secrets to the Russians, he should have been impeached. It would have been

00:19:42.440 a big deal. But he wasn't. And they knew it the whole time. And they ran with it just to destroy

00:19:49.380 your father, his legacy and his chances of, of winning a second time. But now we actually have

00:19:56.180 evidence that somebody is doing this and they don't care. Wait, a hundred percent. And it's

00:20:02.500 not like it's a random occurrence. I mean, it's pretty clear that John Kerry has very close

00:20:06.480 relationships with those in Iran in power. So this isn't like it's something that's surprising

00:20:11.980 and out of the blue. I mean, these things are pretty well known. Um, you know, I'm pretty sure

00:20:17.180 they would have talked about the various violations, whether a Hatch Act or otherwise,

00:20:21.360 of all of the things that he's been doing had he been a Republican. But because he's not,

00:20:26.080 he's totally immune from any prosecution or criticism, even from a media who just refuses

00:20:32.400 to do their stated job of their profession. You know, it's it's one thing to attack you guys

00:20:39.040 personally. And I honestly don't know how you guys live through it. I really don't. I have so much

00:20:43.800 respect for your family and for your father, for Melania, all of you guys, for what you put up

00:20:49.220 with. And I mean, I would have just I would have been on the roof of a building like a postal worker

00:20:54.280 at some point. I mean, I don't know how you did it and still continue to do it. Um, but, uh, you know,

00:21:02.240 the one thing it's one thing coming after you, it's another to actually make real accomplishments

00:21:06.920 in the Middle East, things that people have been trying to do since the 1940s. You did them.

00:21:16.040 Nobody recognized them at the time. And now in less than 100 days, everything's coming undone.

00:21:22.100 Well, that's what's really scary. I mean, they're literally referring, you know, peace in the Middle

00:21:26.140 East was sort of like the holy grail of geopolitical politics. And we actually did it. Uh, my father's

00:21:32.240 administration actually did it. Now you have business opportunities, uh, you know, flights

00:21:36.960 between Israel and other parts of the Middle East. They all probably wanted to open up that

00:21:41.500 door, but there was a, you know, a long history that made it a little bit hard. Now Donald Trump

00:21:46.580 opened that door. And within a few weeks, uh, not only is John Kerry seemingly fueling the Iranians, 0.73

00:21:53.720 the world's number one leading state sponsor of terror, but doing it at the expense of our number

00:22:00.400 one ally in the region, Israel, uh, you know, we're bombing, uh, the Middle East again, after, 0.97

00:22:06.460 you know, sort of trying to end the endless wars, all of these things that are so popular with the

00:22:10.840 American public, uh, not so much with, uh, the Washington DC establishment and sort of the

00:22:16.760 military industrial complex to sort of use the old fashioned term there, but they're reversing one

00:22:22.560 of the most successful foreign policy missions, uh, ever. And they've done so in a hundred days.

00:22:28.840 It's, it's, it's truly impressive. I grossly underestimated Joe Biden's ability to screw

00:22:33.920 things up. I knew it would be bad. I didn't realize it would be this bad. I didn't know it

00:22:38.560 would be this fast. I figured it would be bad, but not this fast. I mean, look what happened on

00:22:44.820 the border. Uh, and you know, now nobody cares about the cages, you know, nobody cares about the

00:22:50.660 policies. He's reversing himself in some cases where he's going back and doing exactly what your

00:22:56.180 father did, but it's a mess down there. It's an absolute mess in days. He created that.

00:23:03.980 Uh, correct. And they're wondering, they're running around saying, Oh, how did this happen?

00:23:07.580 I don't, I mean, when you give someone, you offer someone everything for free, you're going to get

00:23:12.720 free healthcare, free education. This was a welcome ticket. You know, they get to give Kamala Harris's 0.96

00:23:17.840 book, uh, to children at the border. Imagine someone in the Trump administration did that,

00:23:21.820 uh, you know, the indoctrination of, of, of youth, uh, continues. It's not just in our public schools

00:23:28.160 anymore. It's now at the border in Joe Biden's cages. You know, this stuff never ends. And yet

00:23:33.360 again, if it was a Trump administration official, people would be losing their minds. It would drive,

00:23:39.860 you know, a multiple week long news cycle. When Joe Biden does it, it, he gets a total pass and

00:23:46.060 they don't even discuss these things. I mean, you know, they're no longer cages. They were only cages

00:23:50.300 for the four years between, uh, the Obama administration and the Biden administration

00:23:55.520 before and after that four year period of time, they're migrant facilities, uh, where they're

00:24:01.340 helping children. I mean, it's absolutely insane. And you know, what's scary going on is it feels

00:24:06.440 like the American public, while there are some, and probably many of your listeners get it. So many

00:24:11.860 are still influenced by a mainstream media that has shown to be nothing but partisan hacks. I mean,

00:24:17.300 there literally, there's nothing genuine, honest, or real about today's mainstream media. And yet

00:24:24.680 many Americans still don't see that.

00:24:28.720 So tomorrow, um, Joe Biden is going to get up and I don't know how they're going to keep him awake

00:24:35.340 until nine o'clock at night, but he's going to get up and he's going to speak. Usually this is when a

00:24:39.900 president will say, you know, he'll spell out big ideas and ask for money. In a hundred days,

00:24:46.000 he has already put in legislation over 10 trillion dollars in spending.

00:24:54.580 What? I don't know how much more you can ask for. Uh, but you know, and that, not that they asked

00:25:00.100 us for it. I mean, they should just do this speech at the fed, uh, Hey, print some more money. I want

00:25:04.680 to do these things. Um, what do we expect to see tomorrow? What, what do you think we're going to

00:25:10.460 see tomorrow? Well, listen, I think you're going to see, you know, a bunch of Democrat soundbites

00:25:15.620 that have no basis in economics. You know, I, I'm not, I'm not a master of these things in terms

00:25:21.960 of macroeconomic policy, but, uh, and monetary policy, but what's going on is crazy. Like you

00:25:27.480 got to realize like this money has to be paid back. And I get, it's great to be able to bribe

00:25:32.300 the people with their own money, even though they're only getting a small fraction of the stimulus

00:25:36.760 money. Right. You say you sign a multiple trillion dollar bill. Here's a couple of

00:25:40.680 grand. No worries. You know, they don't explain to the people that guess what? Each family owns

00:25:45.000 approximately 6,000. So you get 2,000, but you owe six now. Eventually you got to pay the Piper

00:25:50.960 Glenn. And so this is not sustainable. Uh, it doesn't work. We are putting our children

00:25:57.200 and our grandchildren in debts that they will never be able to get out of. Uh, and you know,

00:26:03.320 they're doing it. Okay. No one's saying anything because it's Joe Biden. He's trying

00:26:06.720 to be really nice. He's not, he's really nice in sound bites and on TV. And yet, if you look at

00:26:12.240 the policies that he's pushing, there's nothing more than partisanry and there's nothing more than

00:26:16.580 vindictiveness within them. Um, you know, again, he gets to have that pass because the profession

00:26:22.200 known as the media simply no longer exists the way it was supposed to. Do you, do you believe,

00:26:29.160 I mean, you have to sit around and talk about this. Your dad built an economy that was actual,

00:26:33.480 it was real. It was starting to work for the people down at the bottom of the end, uh, or the

00:26:38.240 bottom of the ladder. Uh, and that's when it's real. This is going to be a sugar rush. And I think

00:26:43.500 we're going to have a, I mean, you just can't open an economy and not have a boom. Of course,

00:26:48.900 we're going to have a boom. Uh, but it's also with all of this bogus money, it is, I mean, it's going

00:26:54.900 to be unlike anything we've ever seen that maybe 1929 up and down, um, is your, you combine that

00:27:02.540 with, uh, you know, wanting to raise tax rates on, you know, corporate America who employs so many

00:27:08.140 people. Uh, you, you do that by wanting to more seemingly more than double, uh, the capital gains

00:27:13.800 tax for people who are investing in those companies so they can hire. I mean, you're creating a disaster

00:27:18.960 of epic proportions. Uh, what that will do to the economy is truly, uh, it's scary. And I mean,

00:27:26.160 this isn't just like, okay, well, we believe in a little bit higher taxes. These are draconian taxes

00:27:30.980 that they want to put on Americans, whether it's corporate or, you know, civilian at a time when

00:27:37.020 they're literally coming out of a global pandemic. Uh, you know, I understand the Democrats notion of,

00:27:43.540 you know, you can tax everyone, you know, uh, Margaret Thatcher said it best when you said the

00:27:47.180 problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money, but to do so at a time

00:27:51.960 like this, when the economy and small business, you know, they've been teetering on the brink for a

00:27:58.520 while. This will be like the death knell, uh, to so many of those businesses. If they do that,

00:28:05.480 when people pull their money out of the markets, when they're worried about these sorts of things,

00:28:09.360 it's going to be a disaster. And the fact that no one's saying that, um, again, I don't care how you

00:28:14.400 feel about these things in normal times, but if you're going to put that kind of, uh, you know,

00:28:19.540 hammer down at literally the end of a pandemic, um, I don't know what these people expect. I really

00:28:25.440 don't. I mean, you, you wake up and you wonder if you're watching the onion, uh, when you're seeing

00:28:29.540 the news on a daily basis, because it's, it's like a caricature of itself.

00:28:34.740 Uh, we're talking to Donald Trump, uh, junior, uh, Donna, uh, I don't know if you guys are paying

00:28:39.720 attention to the great reset, uh, and what is coming with these ESGs, but it explains the

00:28:45.320 corporations. It explains why so many countries around the world, uh, you know, did some black 1.00

00:28:51.340 ops, uh, uh, work against your dad, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, I think that he was, uh, he was,

00:28:58.800 this would never happen under your father. And I think they knew that. And this is one of the

00:29:03.660 reasons why he is out. But I urge you, if you haven't yet to look into the great reset from the,

00:29:09.120 uh, the world economic forum and ESGs has just been pushed through in the European, uh, parliament.

00:29:16.700 Oh, of course. I mean, I'm not as familiar with it as I probably should be, but the reality is this

00:29:21.920 when all of these foreign governments are going against an individual like my father,

00:29:26.900 there's a reason for that. And it's not because he was good for their economy. He was good for ours.

00:29:32.280 America has been like the moronic, like redheaded stepchild of the world for so long, 0.99

00:29:37.000 paying for all of their things, subsidizing the UN to ridiculous numbers, subsidizing everyone, 1.00

00:29:44.840 whether it's NATO or otherwise. Donald Trump just said, Hey, we expect everyone to carry their fair

00:29:48.920 share. Of course they hated Donald Trump. They had the gravy train of a lifetime. America's just

00:29:55.440 going to be a dumb idiot and pay for all of our stuff. They're going to subsidize it. They're going 1.00

00:30:01.040 to be able to, you know, China free trade. Oh yeah. They really want free trade. They don't want

00:30:04.360 free trade. They want America to be a fool. They want one-sided free trade where they get to do 1.00

00:30:08.460 whatever they want. Uh, and if America does anything, they, they raise holy hell. That's 0.92

00:30:13.480 what's going on for so long. So I don't want foreign government governments to love our president

00:30:19.320 because it means you're a schmuck. If these people love you so much, it means you're being a schmuck, 1.00

00:30:24.360 in my opinion, especially as it relates to monetary policy and these sorts of things. And so Joe Biden's 0.99

00:30:29.640 referring to that because he doesn't know what's going on. He'll put what he'll sign, whatever the

00:30:33.500 radical left puts in front of him, he, you know, in between naps, he'll do a couple of those things.

00:30:39.080 They'll put them on a teleprompter. He'll even botch that every time, but no one cares because

00:30:43.400 no one in the media is going to call it out. That's why it's so important for guys like yourself. And

00:30:46.720 it's why I've remained so vocal. I mean, I could very easily go back to, you know, making money and

00:30:51.600 being in real estate and doing those kinds of things, but there's too much at stake when I got five kids.

00:30:56.440 I want to leave them a country they recognize. I know, uh, Don, it's great to have you on always

00:31:02.520 is. We'd love to have you on more often. Donald Trump jr.

00:31:08.420 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And don't forget rate us on iTunes.

00:31:17.680 You know, you'll hear a lot of experts, uh, talk about the virus, uh, talk about, uh, the shots that

00:31:24.520 everybody's supposed to get when it comes to COVID. But, um, the guy we have with us now,

00:31:29.660 you probably know Dr. Harvey Reich. He's an epidemiology professor at the Yale school of

00:31:35.340 public health. So this is his specialty. Now he's the guy who, um, I guess we first heard of during

00:31:42.180 this, uh, pandemic because he said hydroxychloroquine works. It's easy. We have it. It works. It will help,

00:31:50.600 uh, you know, get rid of a lot of this stuff. I know that I took hydroxychloroquine, uh, when my

00:31:57.360 family had COVID, everything else, I never got it. I stopped taking it six months later. I've got

00:32:03.320 COVID. Uh, I think hydroxychloroquine was a miracle, um, and at least something that would

00:32:11.340 slow things down for a lot of people. But who am I to say Dr. Harvey Reich is, uh, here with us now.

00:32:18.440 Hi, doctor. How are you? Good morning. How are you? Good. Thank you so much for speaking out,

00:32:24.200 whether you're right or wrong, speaking out about the things that you believe in, uh, and, uh, and

00:32:29.800 not bowing to the pressure of this new weird science, uh, rule that we just don't question

00:32:35.980 authority. Um, let me, uh, let me talk to you about the, um, the vaccines. Uh, I get so much heat

00:32:45.480 because I've had COVID. I'm, I'm not interested in getting the vaccine. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I,

00:32:51.540 I don't have a problem with the vaccine. Um, but I know my kids are young. I'm not going to give it

00:32:58.480 to them. Uh, and cause I don't think it's, I, I think there's too many questions out there about

00:33:04.680 something that is brand new that we've not had, you know, trials on, uh, if they needed it by my

00:33:11.060 parents, I would give it to my parents. I encouraged my parents to take it. If I were a little older

00:33:16.800 and more frail, I would take it. I'm called insane for having those standards. Am I?

00:33:24.680 No, you're completely rational. And when people are, are calling you names instead of debating the

00:33:30.520 science, you know, the tables have flipped the science, you know, the real science, the evidence

00:33:36.360 is what matters. And we know a couple of days ago, proof of, of exactly your understanding

00:33:42.820 was, uh, has been, uh, written in an article from Israel where they actually looked at some

00:33:49.540 7 million people and their experience from taking the vaccines or having had COVID or being unvaccinated

00:33:57.580 and not knowingly have had COVID. And what they found is that there was equal protection

00:34:02.980 from getting COVID either a second time or after vaccination, uh, from people who have been

00:34:10.800 vaccinated as, as the same as people who've had COVID in the past. And this means that their

00:34:18.140 protection from, from COVID is just as good as 90% or higher than, than the same as, as the

00:34:24.460 vaccines from getting COVID.

00:34:26.040 So then why is everybody pounding? And nobody seems to be paying attention to what we have going

00:34:31.620 on in Israel. We have a population that has, has vaccinated. They have heard, um, uh, immunity

00:34:39.600 now, uh, and we're seeing different kinds of results. We have the facts. Why isn't, why isn't

00:34:46.520 anybody talking about this?

00:34:48.420 Well, because I think there's different motivations than just vaccinating people for their health

00:34:54.240 benefit. Um, I think we are in a mania, uh, there's no other way to put it that people are

00:35:01.920 convinced as a matter of their religious assumptions that vaccination is their creed and, and, and it's,

00:35:09.040 uh, a mania that there's no discussion. There's, there's no pros and cons that, that the cons don't

00:35:16.060 matter no matter what. Uh, I think that what's more interesting than Israel even is United Arab Emirates

00:35:21.700 who've also vaccinated 60% of their population with essentially the same vaccine, the Pfizer

00:35:27.820 vaccine. And I think their experience is more realistic that, uh, what one sees is the mortality

00:35:36.900 come down quickly, but the case numbers, not the case numbers are, uh, came down, but much more

00:35:42.780 slowly. And that is what's to be expected from vaccination. And that's why, even though we've been

00:35:48.160 vaccinating a lot in the U S that there's still cases occurring and we do have herd immunity in,

00:35:52.980 in many States in the U S, but it's, it will be slow and that doesn't matter. And as I've been saying

00:35:59.080 for the whole year, it's not the cases that matter. It's the people who are hospitalized and the people

00:36:04.740 who die from the disease that matter. And people are just freaking out.

00:36:08.220 That's what separates, right. That's what separates this from the flu is how bad it gets for so many

00:36:15.200 people and how many people would die from it compared to the flu. But if you get it and you're

00:36:20.420 sick and you're home and you stay home for a couple of weeks and you don't have to go to the hospital

00:36:25.320 and you don't die from it, then it's just the flu. Well, a couple of weeks would be enough to,

00:36:31.480 you know, to put a big dent on, on people's, uh, economic viability and so on. Uh, it should be a

00:36:38.700 couple of days and you know, we've, now we've got a half a dozen or more medications to be used to

00:36:44.540 treat this for outpatients when they're, when they're treated in the first few days and they

00:36:48.660 all work, they all combine. They're very effective. They're even if we know they're effective for the

00:36:53.460 Brazil variant, the Brazilians have been using them and have found them effective. So we know how

00:36:58.840 to manage this and we've known how to manage it for a long time. But of course, can you think of any

00:37:03.720 other drugs, any other approved medications that have been blocked or prohibited by medical

00:37:09.220 societies, you know, medical regulatory agencies? No, that is, that's especially like if you're

00:37:15.440 talking hydroxychloroquine, especially that's been out forever, forever. We know exactly what it is.

00:37:23.360 So the fact that there, that there's interference in a drug that is safer than aspirin that has been

00:37:30.040 used for 55 years in tens of billions of doses, the fact that there's pushback, uh, and, and formal

00:37:35.820 government and medical interference in that there's no explanation other than a nefarious reason.

00:37:43.300 There's, there's no health explanation.

00:37:47.340 So I could dismiss a lot of the things that were happening at the very beginning as, you know,

00:37:52.320 we didn't know what we were dealing with. Do we know what we're dealing with now?

00:37:56.160 Pretty much. Okay. Um, does it ever become something that we're, you know, cause I said

00:38:04.220 at the very beginning, you know, that this is probably going to be something that we have to

00:38:09.780 deal with for the rest of our lives, like the flu. But if it is even has the same rate of death of

00:38:15.820 the flu, that's doubling that. And it's a big number. So it's not something you want to do,

00:38:20.660 but it's going to be with us forever. And we're, it's going to be like the flu. Do we, does it look

00:38:26.480 like we're headed in that direction? Is that what we're, are we going to deal with this for the rest

00:38:30.400 of our lives?

00:38:31.420 I think that there's two things. First of all, this is when you, when children are affected,

00:38:38.040 it's a cold. It's almost every, you know, one in 10,000, it may be more serious, but, but by and

00:38:45.380 large, for almost all children, young children, this is, this is nothing worse than a cold. If

00:38:50.820 they spread it to each other, it's, it's, it's unusual. Mostly they get it from adults

00:38:55.660 and they develop T cell immunity and they're protected. You know, we only, we've only known

00:39:02.040 about it for, for 15 months or something. So it's hard to know how long anything lasts,

00:39:07.520 but the evidence is that that T cell immunity will be long last. We know that T cell immunity

00:39:12.220 from SARS one is now 17 years old and people still who have SARS one are, are still have

00:39:17.680 T cell immunity from that. So, um, it's likely that children will get it. It'll be a cold

00:39:23.700 like illness and they won't even, most won't even know it and it'll go away. And that'll

00:39:27.660 be the end of it for them as they get older in life. It's we adults who have to deal with

00:39:33.120 it now when it gets entered into the population as an endemic disease, which it is. So we have

00:39:39.360 a transition period to get through it that children, especially young children will not

00:39:44.580 have. And I think the long-term characteristic of this will be over the next 20 to 30 years

00:39:51.620 when each new generation of children hardly notices that anything's happening. Whereas

00:39:57.440 the adults, you know, have to deal with it one way or another. And whether it's vaccination,

00:40:03.360 whether it's getting the disease, whether it's prevention, whether it's treatment, all of

00:40:07.300 those are possible ways of dealing with it for the adults.

00:40:11.920 Is there any reason that you can see that Texas and Florida and places that didn't lock down

00:40:17.660 are doing better than, uh, the places like California and New York? Why is that happening?

00:40:25.820 That's because lockdown is counterproductive at the beginning, the very beginning of this,

00:40:30.380 when we had no idea what was going on, lockdown was useful in order to give us time by time to

00:40:36.540 figure out how to manage it and how to keep the hospitals from, from overflowing right at the

00:40:41.740 beginning. But after that point, once the disease is endemic, there's no point because all you're

00:40:46.980 doing is prolonging the inevitable. The disease is endemic. It is in the population. It will grow to

00:40:53.100 the, to the degree that there is no herd immunity. So the States like North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas,

00:40:59.100 Arizona, Tennessee, uh, you know, that, that didn't lock down or didn't really lock down

00:41:04.740 that have let the, the infection go and, and occur in young people who are mostly unaffected,

00:41:14.240 or if they get it, it's a mild disease and they recover pretty much perfectly well. If not in a

00:41:19.880 couple of weeks, then a month or two, then what you get is you build up a lot of herd immunity.

00:41:25.580 And so we had herd immunity in North Dakota in October and in South Dakota in October,

00:41:32.940 November, and so on. And, and so those peaks have come down dramatically, same as Texas and Florida.

00:41:38.520 The, the amount of herd immunity that's built up is quite large. And once that happens, and you know,

00:41:44.620 and this is, herd immunity is not a function of, of vaccines. Vaccines contribute to it, but so does

00:41:49.320 natural infection. And most people are asymptomatic. So they built up the herd immunity, whereas California

00:41:55.560 didn't.

00:41:58.480 So is the idea that, uh, once you get the vaccine or once you've had it, that you still have to, uh,

00:42:07.040 be quarantined or you can't go out for 4th of July, or you have to wear masks. That's bull crap, 0.98

00:42:13.500 isn't it? Well, so this is a subtle thing that I don't think was well recognized. And that is that 0.99

00:42:20.320 just like masks, there's the benefit for the person and there's a benefit for the bystanders,

00:42:25.380 the people around the person, and that's called source control. And what we've heard that the, uh,

00:42:31.340 manufacturers randomized trials for safety and efficacy only examined benefit for the people who

00:42:37.720 were vaccinated. And that benefit is between 60 and 90% and generally tending towards the 90%

00:42:44.120 for, for most in, in the vaccination trials. But what they didn't evaluate is how much

00:42:50.260 vaccinated people, uh, do or, or don't transmit the infection to others. And this is why I was saying

00:42:57.460 the United Arab Emirates, their data shows that in fact, transmission is not, um, benefit quite nearly

00:43:06.820 as well as, as, as vaccine vaccination for the person. So the vaccines cut the individual's risk

00:43:14.080 by 90% of getting COVID, but they only cut the risk of transmission by 50 to 60%. And that's why

00:43:20.740 the case numbers go on for a long time, even though the mortality goes down. And I think that's really,

00:43:27.460 we've been sold the idea that if these vaccines prevent the disease by 90%, then why can't we just

00:43:33.740 go out and have normal life? And the answer is because they don't prevent transmission nearly as

00:43:37.860 much. And so it will still spread. Now, the spreading is, as I said, is not necessarily bad.

00:43:45.220 If the people who are at high risk, who will do poorly, if they get it are adequately protected,

00:43:50.500 either by vaccination or early treatment or prevention with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,

00:43:56.700 and other, other medications, if they're adequately, uh, protected, then the society reopens like

00:44:04.260 normal. Our schools should be open. Day camps should be open. Um, you know, because we, that is

00:44:11.120 how you get herd immunity in safe, natural, protected ways. And, and you protect high risk people by

00:44:17.740 keeping them, uh, basically separated to a certain degree, as well as having vaccination and prevention

00:44:26.140 and treatment. And I think that that's the whole way that, that this, we work out of this.

00:44:32.100 Dr. Um, it is a pleasure, pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much for the work that you do and,

00:44:38.060 uh, keep your spine. You are an inspiration to a lot of people, um, that you are willing to take the

00:44:45.220 hits, uh, from, from, you know, your own, your own circles. Um, thank you for that. Dr. Harvey Grish,

00:44:52.740 you know, uh, go ahead. Nature, you know, speaks to us through science and I don't consider that

00:45:00.260 nature lies to me. Nature tells the truth. I just have to be open to listening to it. And I'm just

00:45:04.480 a messenger here. Good for you. Dr. Harvey Grish, uh, epidemiology professor at the Yale School of

00:45:10.860 Public Health.

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