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Byron York is the Chief Political Correspondent for the Washington Examiner and author of the book Obsession. He joins Glenn Beck to talk about his new book, Obsession, about the deep state's obsession with ousting Donald Trump Jr. from the White House, and to discuss the truth about vaccines and herd immunity. Glenn also talks about Caitlyn Jenner and why the left hates trans people.
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Welcome to the podcast. Today, we have Byron York on to talk about his new book.
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Donald Trump Jr. joins us as well. We have a doctor from Yale to talk about what's the truth
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with vaccines and herd immunity and where do we stand right now? Should we be going back into
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lockdown? He's got the facts on that. Also, we have what we should keep from the pandemic.
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There's some things that we actually should keep, you know, like alcohol delivery. I mean,
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things like that, important things. And we talk about Caitlyn Jenner,
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who is running for governor of California. Why does the left hate trans people so much?
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Byron York is the chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner and author of the book
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Obsession and a host of the podcast, the Byron York show. Welcome, Byron. How are you, sir?
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Hi, Glenn. I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
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Good. I you know, I have we've got about 20 minutes and I want to run through a bunch of things
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with you. First of all, I was talking to Victor Davis Hanson the other day and I asked him this
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question in your book really kind of I mean, this is what your book is about obsession, the obsession
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that people had on getting rid of Donald Trump and just destroying him at all all costs.
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The media, I know, hated themselves because they thought that they had, you know,
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them playing footsie with him helped him get elected.
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But is it is it just that or was the media's obsession with this also pushed by the elites
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in, you know, the FBI or the CIA, any of the deep state stuff that saw Donald Trump as a real
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threat because he was going to upset the apple cart one way or another and and they weren't
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going to have any of that. Which was the main factor, the the press just hating him and hating
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themselves or the deep state really kind of juicing that up and pushing stuff at them?
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Yeah, that is an incredibly difficult question. You're right. The book is about that. It's called
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obsession. And it is about this obsession with getting Trump that that began well before he was
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elected, that continued with the appointment of a special counsel and the whole Russia thing and
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then impeachment and then another impeachment. So there was this this obsession. I mean, there were
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there were Democrats who introduced a bill to to impeach Donald Trump in 2017 for comments that he
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made about Colin Kaepernick in the NFL. So, I mean, that's that's where we are. It was an
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obsession. So the question is, you raise a great question. I'm not a really good armchair psychologist,
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but I do believe that the success of Trump was deeply threatening to a lot of people. It was
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it was threatening to some people who felt that they had some manner of input and control over the
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Republican Party agenda. And they became never Trumpers. It was it was threatening to people who
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believed. You remember this after 2008 and Obama's big victory in 2008. There was a lot of talk of the
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Obama coalition, a group of minorities and young people. And there was this idea that that Democrats
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had kind of cracked the code and that they would win the presidency from now on, because demographic
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change, especially the rise of the Hispanic population in the United States, would literally
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ensure the election of a Democratic president from now on. And they were absolutely stunned that
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Trump won. But you're right. There's the darker side. The dark underside of that
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is what the intelligence and law enforcement agencies did during the Trump period. And maybe they were
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feeling threatened in sort of the same way that others were. But the fact is, they surveilled a
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presidential campaign. And they did extraordinary things like like the the meeting, which I still can't
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get over on January 6, 2017, two weeks before Trump is sworn in, in which James Comey, who's then the
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head of the FBI, briefs, asks to brief Trump one to one, one on one. And he tells him that the FBI has
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his information about him and prostitutes in Russia. And Comey specifically worried ahead of time that Trump
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might take it as kind of, and this is Comey's words, a J. Edgar Hoover move. And of course, the reason
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Comey worried about that is because it was a J. Edgar Hoover move. And so what I'm trying to get at
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here is that you had the intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies doing extraordinary things,
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the whole dossier to try to expel Trump, you know, from the system. And so there was this broad
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obsession. And I think the motivations were different to different people. But but it was
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there. And you're right, it hasn't gone away. Yeah, and it is the people who supported Trump,
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and that includes, you know, most Democrats, I mean, sorry, most Republicans, whether they were
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big supporters or not, it doesn't matter. If you're not in line, now it's your turn to be smeared and
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destroyed. And just when you thought the FBI couldn't get any worse, there's a couple of things.
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First of all, I read and I saw your great article rebutting this, the FBI now saying that the
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Alexandria shooting, the the baseball shooting, I mean, notice it doesn't have a name, it's you have
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to kind of explain it before people even remember it, where Steve Scalise and all of the Republicans
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were would have been killed if it wasn't by the grace of God, just this massacre. The FBI comes out
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and says that wasn't politically motivated. The guy had the names of the representatives in his
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pocket with physical descriptions. How is this suicide by cop? Yeah, this is absolutely stunning
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news. And we just learned this about a week and a half ago. And what happened, everybody does remember
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it was June 14th, 2017. The team was practicing, they were in Alexandria, it was all Republicans
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practicing for the congressional baseball game. Man comes up, asked one of the Republicans,
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Jeff Duncan, Republican from South Carolina, is leaving early. Man comes up and asked, is this the
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Republican team or the Democratic team? And Jeff Duncan, having no idea what's going on, who the man is,
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says it's the Republican team. And shortly after he pulls out a semi-automatic rifle, begins firing
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grievously wounds. Steve Scalise, a lobbyist, is terribly wounded as well. Two others wounded less
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seriously. And until the man, James Hodgkinson, is finally killed. So you're absolutely right. He is a,
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he, he prides himself as a member of the resistance. He's a house inspector in Ohio. And he,
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post things on his Facebook page, like, quote, Trump is a traitor. Trump has destroyed our
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democracy. It's time to destroy Trump and company. He was also part of a Facebook group, like,
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which was called Terminate the Republican Party. So he quit his job, goes to Alexandria, lives in his van
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with his gun, with his gun, and waits. And you're right, he specifically targets Republicans. He has
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a list in his pocket of congressional Republicans he wants to kill. Okay, and so he does it. And
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there's absolutely no doubt, and he's a big Bernie Sanders supporter for what it's worth. There's no
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doubt that he attacks these members of Congress because there are Republicans. It was a clear act
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of violent, politically motivated domestic terrorism. And if you remember, even at that time,
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the FBI was telling us that the greatest threat to our national security was violent domestic
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terrorism. Okay, so FBI, obviously, Hodgkinson is killed at the scene, so there's no manhunt.
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But they began investigating this and looking into Hodgkinson. And the shooting is in June. And in
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November, the FBI has a private meeting with the members of Congress who were there. And the FBI
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says, well, we've discovered the cause. And they say, well, and the FBI says, well, it's suicide by cop.
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And the Republicans are just dumbstruck. I mean, they said, what? I mean, they literally go, what?
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And they say, look, if you want to commit suicide by cop, you point a gun at police. And that will
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usually do the trick. You don't go attack Republican members of the House. Besides, there was a small
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Capitol Police detail at the practice that day. Because Steve Scalise, House whip, a Republican
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whip, was a member of the House leadership, so he had a security detail. They were in plain clothes.
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They were in an unmarked car. The shooter did not know they were there. This was not suicide by cop.
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There's simply no way in the world it's suicide by cop. One interesting thing is, Republicans are often
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pretty discreet about these things. They didn't leak it. We didn't hear that. This was the FBI told
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them it was suicide by cop in November of 2017. And we just found it out because one of those
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Republicans, Brad Winstrup, who was there that day and played a heroic role, revealed it in a hearing
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a week and a half ago at the House Intelligence Committee. And he revealed it because he had Christopher
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Ray, the FBI director, in front of him. So he told him about all this stuff. And you know what
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Ray's first response was? Well, I wasn't director then. Fine, you weren't director then. But the FBI
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did this. And so Winstrup sort of demanded that the FBI explain to them what evidentiary and analytical
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process it went through to determine that this was a suicide by cop as opposed to what it clearly was,
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a domestic terror attack. So here's why this is really relevant. You know, they said that Brian
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Sicknick was, you know, killed by in the Capitol riots, they say this is the worst thing that's ever
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happened. And they're obsessed over all this. Sicknick did not die from injuries at the Capitol.
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He died of a stroke the next day in the hospital. So they're trying to make this into really an Alexandria
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kind of moment where it wasn't. It was a horrible, horrible moment. But it wasn't something where they
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were going in and trying to kill everybody, at least seriously, like this guy was could have been and
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was horrible in and of itself. But the media and the FBI seem so focused on only things that come from the
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right that I am I don't trust the FBI anymore. And that is that's saying something, Byron. I've always trusted
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the FBI and and and the government. I mean, you know, I've I've been skeptical, you know, and see, let me see all the
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evidence. But I don't trust them at all anymore. Yeah, I think that is one of the saddest results of
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the last five years. And I think you're exactly right. First of all, I think maybe for your listeners,
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we should say there are lots of parts of the FBI that do old fashioned crime fighting. They search for
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murderers, they search for bank robbers, they search for all sorts of really bad people. And that sort of
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rank and file FBI work is something we should all be glad for. But there was a managerial elite at the
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top of the FBI that had become incredibly politicized. I mean, they actually had during the
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2016 election, they had both major party candidates under investigation. I think there's something wrong
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with that right there. But certainly when we discovered what they did with the dossier, the
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Steele dossier, in which the FBI actually wanted to hire Christopher Steele to do his anti-Trump
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research for them in the last months of the 2016 campaign. Absolutely inexcusable. They only had
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to sort of cut him loose, because he was breaking their policy by talking to the press, because all
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Steele wanted to do was expose Trump and try to defeat him in 2016. And even when the FBI had
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to cut him loose, they maintained a back channel to him and continued to get what we now know were
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these entirely false dossier reports. And then there was this sandbagging of Trump that I mentioned
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earlier, the whole, we know about you and those hookers in Moscow thing. And then there was the
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Michael Flynn case. I mean, so I think there's plenty of reason to not trust the leadership of
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the FBI. There's the FISA. Are we ever going to get a final report? Are we ever going to see the
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final report on any of this, do you think? Well, there is no final report on this whole thing.
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Everybody has to piece together as best they can from what is out there. We know that there really is
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a Durham investigation. I know a lot of conservatives have completely lost
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faith or hope in that and think it's going to be nothing. But there are some people in Washington
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who you would all trust, I think, who still think that Durham is going to come up with some
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interesting stuff. But everything is just a part of the picture. You have to kind of put it together
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yourself. But clearly the FISA thing in which the FBI misrepresented the evidence in order to
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wiretap a former low-level Trump campaign aide, Carter Page, because that would be a doorway into
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the larger Trump campaign. It's not because Carter Page was the most important person in the world.
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It was because that would open a door into the Trump campaign, which they were investigating
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If you're not reading The Washington Examiner and following Byron York, you're reading,
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I don't know what you're reading. You should be following The Washington Examiner. It is really,
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really good. We read it every single day. Byron is the chief political correspondent and author of the
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book Obsession, also another must-read, and the host of The Byron York Show. Thank you so much
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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Yesterday we told you about a little nugget in a New York Times piece. It was like third
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paragraph from the very end, and it was not even commented on. And it talked about how the Iranian
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foreign ministers let it slip that John Kerry had personally advised him that Israel had struck
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Iranian interest in Syria at least 200 times. Now, the White House yesterday said, we're not going to
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talk about leaked tapes. Iran said this was a leaked tape. It was never supposed to be released.
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It was given to a think tank. It was supposed to be held for posterity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And the White House isn't commenting on this. Really, they're not commenting. So the interview
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actually happened. The media is not stumbling over themselves to get to the bottom of whether
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John Kerry leaked classified information of an ally to their number one enemy and an enemy
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of the United States. Google the story. No one is asking the question. Now Google the story of Trump
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leaking classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office. They went insane. That story isn't
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even true. That story. But Google that story. That's there. They question that. Every major news
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outlet in the country in the world were running the same angle. But nobody is saying anything about
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this. So it's some anonymous source. It was a some anonymous source when they said this about Trump,
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except the National Security Advisor and the Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy,
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both in the room at the time, said that never happened. And they weren't known to be Trump lovers.
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They said that never happened. But that didn't stop the media. The job of the media is to hold the
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government accountable, but they're not doing it. It doesn't. It doesn't. The laws don't apply,
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it seems, to some underground political elite. And John Kerry is in that protected zone.
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So did he or did he not leak information about the Israelis to the Iranians?
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Well, he said yesterday that these allegations are unequivocally false. This never happened either
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when I was Secretary of State or since. But then the the State Department released information saying
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the the information that Kerry allegedly leaked was already public knowledge and not classified in it.
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John Kerry said it never happened. The State Department said it happened, but it was no big deal.
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Which is it? The guy sits on the National Security Council. Which is it?
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The comment on this and so much more is Donald Trump Jr.
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I'm good. I'm good. I think you and your family often say hi to your dad for us. How's he doing?
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I he's doing well. I just saw him a few minutes ago. So he's doing really well. And, uh, you know,
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I think you're saying it really well. I mean, it's sort of amazing what you can get away with.
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If you're a Democrat, you know, I wrote the book about liberal privilege, but we're seeing it more
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and more every day, whether it's John Kerry, whether it's Eric Swalwell sitting on the House
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Intelligence Committee. Well, I guess it's OK for him to sleep with a Chinese spy.
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Uh, it seems like a double standard. I would think, Glenn, that these people would lose their
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minds if someone in the Trump administration did this.
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Oh, they would have. And they rightfully should have. If your dad, I mean, this is what's crazy.
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If your dad were giving secrets to the Russians, he should have been impeached. It would have been
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a big deal. But he wasn't. And they knew it the whole time. And they ran with it just to destroy
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your father, his legacy and his chances of, of winning a second time. But now we actually have
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evidence that somebody is doing this and they don't care. Wait, a hundred percent. And it's
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not like it's a random occurrence. I mean, it's pretty clear that John Kerry has very close
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relationships with those in Iran in power. So this isn't like it's something that's surprising
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and out of the blue. I mean, these things are pretty well known. Um, you know, I'm pretty sure
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they would have talked about the various violations, whether a Hatch Act or otherwise,
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of all of the things that he's been doing had he been a Republican. But because he's not,
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he's totally immune from any prosecution or criticism, even from a media who just refuses
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to do their stated job of their profession. You know, it's it's one thing to attack you guys
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personally. And I honestly don't know how you guys live through it. I really don't. I have so much
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respect for your family and for your father, for Melania, all of you guys, for what you put up
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with. And I mean, I would have just I would have been on the roof of a building like a postal worker
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at some point. I mean, I don't know how you did it and still continue to do it. Um, but, uh, you know,
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the one thing it's one thing coming after you, it's another to actually make real accomplishments
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in the Middle East, things that people have been trying to do since the 1940s. You did them.
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Nobody recognized them at the time. And now in less than 100 days, everything's coming undone.
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Well, that's what's really scary. I mean, they're literally referring, you know, peace in the Middle
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East was sort of like the holy grail of geopolitical politics. And we actually did it. Uh, my father's
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administration actually did it. Now you have business opportunities, uh, you know, flights
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between Israel and other parts of the Middle East. They all probably wanted to open up that
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door, but there was a, you know, a long history that made it a little bit hard. Now Donald Trump
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opened that door. And within a few weeks, uh, not only is John Kerry seemingly fueling the Iranians,
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the world's number one leading state sponsor of terror, but doing it at the expense of our number
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one ally in the region, Israel, uh, you know, we're bombing, uh, the Middle East again, after,
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you know, sort of trying to end the endless wars, all of these things that are so popular with the
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American public, uh, not so much with, uh, the Washington DC establishment and sort of the
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military industrial complex to sort of use the old fashioned term there, but they're reversing one
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of the most successful foreign policy missions, uh, ever. And they've done so in a hundred days.
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It's, it's, it's truly impressive. I grossly underestimated Joe Biden's ability to screw
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things up. I knew it would be bad. I didn't realize it would be this bad. I didn't know it
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would be this fast. I figured it would be bad, but not this fast. I mean, look what happened on
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the border. Uh, and you know, now nobody cares about the cages, you know, nobody cares about the
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policies. He's reversing himself in some cases where he's going back and doing exactly what your
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father did, but it's a mess down there. It's an absolute mess in days. He created that.
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Uh, correct. And they're wondering, they're running around saying, Oh, how did this happen?
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I don't, I mean, when you give someone, you offer someone everything for free, you're going to get
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free healthcare, free education. This was a welcome ticket. You know, they get to give Kamala Harris's
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book, uh, to children at the border. Imagine someone in the Trump administration did that,
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uh, you know, the indoctrination of, of, of youth, uh, continues. It's not just in our public schools
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anymore. It's now at the border in Joe Biden's cages. You know, this stuff never ends. And yet
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again, if it was a Trump administration official, people would be losing their minds. It would drive,
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you know, a multiple week long news cycle. When Joe Biden does it, it, he gets a total pass and
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they don't even discuss these things. I mean, you know, they're no longer cages. They were only cages
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for the four years between, uh, the Obama administration and the Biden administration
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before and after that four year period of time, they're migrant facilities, uh, where they're
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helping children. I mean, it's absolutely insane. And you know, what's scary going on is it feels
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like the American public, while there are some, and probably many of your listeners get it. So many
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are still influenced by a mainstream media that has shown to be nothing but partisan hacks. I mean,
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there literally, there's nothing genuine, honest, or real about today's mainstream media. And yet
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So tomorrow, um, Joe Biden is going to get up and I don't know how they're going to keep him awake
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until nine o'clock at night, but he's going to get up and he's going to speak. Usually this is when a
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president will say, you know, he'll spell out big ideas and ask for money. In a hundred days,
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he has already put in legislation over 10 trillion dollars in spending.
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What? I don't know how much more you can ask for. Uh, but you know, and that, not that they asked
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us for it. I mean, they should just do this speech at the fed, uh, Hey, print some more money. I want
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to do these things. Um, what do we expect to see tomorrow? What, what do you think we're going to
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see tomorrow? Well, listen, I think you're going to see, you know, a bunch of Democrat soundbites
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that have no basis in economics. You know, I, I'm not, I'm not a master of these things in terms
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of macroeconomic policy, but, uh, and monetary policy, but what's going on is crazy. Like you
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got to realize like this money has to be paid back. And I get, it's great to be able to bribe
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the people with their own money, even though they're only getting a small fraction of the stimulus
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money. Right. You say you sign a multiple trillion dollar bill. Here's a couple of
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grand. No worries. You know, they don't explain to the people that guess what? Each family owns
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approximately 6,000. So you get 2,000, but you owe six now. Eventually you got to pay the Piper
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Glenn. And so this is not sustainable. Uh, it doesn't work. We are putting our children
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and our grandchildren in debts that they will never be able to get out of. Uh, and you know,
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they're doing it. Okay. No one's saying anything because it's Joe Biden. He's trying
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to be really nice. He's not, he's really nice in sound bites and on TV. And yet, if you look at
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the policies that he's pushing, there's nothing more than partisanry and there's nothing more than
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vindictiveness within them. Um, you know, again, he gets to have that pass because the profession
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known as the media simply no longer exists the way it was supposed to. Do you, do you believe,
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I mean, you have to sit around and talk about this. Your dad built an economy that was actual,
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it was real. It was starting to work for the people down at the bottom of the end, uh, or the
00:26:38.240
bottom of the ladder. Uh, and that's when it's real. This is going to be a sugar rush. And I think
00:26:43.500
we're going to have a, I mean, you just can't open an economy and not have a boom. Of course,
00:26:48.900
we're going to have a boom. Uh, but it's also with all of this bogus money, it is, I mean, it's going
00:26:54.900
to be unlike anything we've ever seen that maybe 1929 up and down, um, is your, you combine that
00:27:02.540
with, uh, you know, wanting to raise tax rates on, you know, corporate America who employs so many
00:27:08.140
people. Uh, you, you do that by wanting to more seemingly more than double, uh, the capital gains
00:27:13.800
tax for people who are investing in those companies so they can hire. I mean, you're creating a disaster
00:27:18.960
of epic proportions. Uh, what that will do to the economy is truly, uh, it's scary. And I mean,
00:27:26.160
this isn't just like, okay, well, we believe in a little bit higher taxes. These are draconian taxes
00:27:30.980
that they want to put on Americans, whether it's corporate or, you know, civilian at a time when
00:27:37.020
they're literally coming out of a global pandemic. Uh, you know, I understand the Democrats notion of,
00:27:43.540
you know, you can tax everyone, you know, uh, Margaret Thatcher said it best when you said the
00:27:47.180
problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money, but to do so at a time
00:27:51.960
like this, when the economy and small business, you know, they've been teetering on the brink for a
00:27:58.520
while. This will be like the death knell, uh, to so many of those businesses. If they do that,
00:28:05.480
when people pull their money out of the markets, when they're worried about these sorts of things,
00:28:09.360
it's going to be a disaster. And the fact that no one's saying that, um, again, I don't care how you
00:28:14.400
feel about these things in normal times, but if you're going to put that kind of, uh, you know,
00:28:19.540
hammer down at literally the end of a pandemic, um, I don't know what these people expect. I really
00:28:25.440
don't. I mean, you, you wake up and you wonder if you're watching the onion, uh, when you're seeing
00:28:29.540
the news on a daily basis, because it's, it's like a caricature of itself.
00:28:34.740
Uh, we're talking to Donald Trump, uh, junior, uh, Donna, uh, I don't know if you guys are paying
00:28:39.720
attention to the great reset, uh, and what is coming with these ESGs, but it explains the
00:28:45.320
corporations. It explains why so many countries around the world, uh, you know, did some black
00:28:51.340
ops, uh, uh, work against your dad, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, I think that he was, uh, he was,
00:28:58.800
this would never happen under your father. And I think they knew that. And this is one of the
00:29:03.660
reasons why he is out. But I urge you, if you haven't yet to look into the great reset from the,
00:29:09.120
uh, the world economic forum and ESGs has just been pushed through in the European, uh, parliament.
00:29:16.700
Oh, of course. I mean, I'm not as familiar with it as I probably should be, but the reality is this
00:29:21.920
when all of these foreign governments are going against an individual like my father,
00:29:26.900
there's a reason for that. And it's not because he was good for their economy. He was good for ours.
00:29:32.280
America has been like the moronic, like redheaded stepchild of the world for so long,
00:29:37.000
paying for all of their things, subsidizing the UN to ridiculous numbers, subsidizing everyone,
00:29:44.840
whether it's NATO or otherwise. Donald Trump just said, Hey, we expect everyone to carry their fair
00:29:48.920
share. Of course they hated Donald Trump. They had the gravy train of a lifetime. America's just
00:29:55.440
going to be a dumb idiot and pay for all of our stuff. They're going to subsidize it. They're going
00:30:01.040
to be able to, you know, China free trade. Oh yeah. They really want free trade. They don't want
00:30:04.360
free trade. They want America to be a fool. They want one-sided free trade where they get to do
00:30:08.460
whatever they want. Uh, and if America does anything, they, they raise holy hell. That's
00:30:13.480
what's going on for so long. So I don't want foreign government governments to love our president
00:30:19.320
because it means you're a schmuck. If these people love you so much, it means you're being a schmuck,
00:30:24.360
in my opinion, especially as it relates to monetary policy and these sorts of things. And so Joe Biden's
00:30:29.640
referring to that because he doesn't know what's going on. He'll put what he'll sign, whatever the
00:30:33.500
radical left puts in front of him, he, you know, in between naps, he'll do a couple of those things.
00:30:39.080
They'll put them on a teleprompter. He'll even botch that every time, but no one cares because
00:30:43.400
no one in the media is going to call it out. That's why it's so important for guys like yourself. And
00:30:46.720
it's why I've remained so vocal. I mean, I could very easily go back to, you know, making money and
00:30:51.600
being in real estate and doing those kinds of things, but there's too much at stake when I got five kids.
00:30:56.440
I want to leave them a country they recognize. I know, uh, Don, it's great to have you on always
00:31:02.520
is. We'd love to have you on more often. Donald Trump jr.
00:31:08.420
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00:31:17.680
You know, you'll hear a lot of experts, uh, talk about the virus, uh, talk about, uh, the shots that
00:31:24.520
everybody's supposed to get when it comes to COVID. But, um, the guy we have with us now,
00:31:29.660
you probably know Dr. Harvey Reich. He's an epidemiology professor at the Yale school of
00:31:35.340
public health. So this is his specialty. Now he's the guy who, um, I guess we first heard of during
00:31:42.180
this, uh, pandemic because he said hydroxychloroquine works. It's easy. We have it. It works. It will help,
00:31:50.600
uh, you know, get rid of a lot of this stuff. I know that I took hydroxychloroquine, uh, when my
00:31:57.360
family had COVID, everything else, I never got it. I stopped taking it six months later. I've got
00:32:03.320
COVID. Uh, I think hydroxychloroquine was a miracle, um, and at least something that would
00:32:11.340
slow things down for a lot of people. But who am I to say Dr. Harvey Reich is, uh, here with us now.
00:32:18.440
Hi, doctor. How are you? Good morning. How are you? Good. Thank you so much for speaking out,
00:32:24.200
whether you're right or wrong, speaking out about the things that you believe in, uh, and, uh, and
00:32:29.800
not bowing to the pressure of this new weird science, uh, rule that we just don't question
00:32:35.980
authority. Um, let me, uh, let me talk to you about the, um, the vaccines. Uh, I get so much heat
00:32:45.480
because I've had COVID. I'm, I'm not interested in getting the vaccine. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I,
00:32:51.540
I don't have a problem with the vaccine. Um, but I know my kids are young. I'm not going to give it
00:32:58.480
to them. Uh, and cause I don't think it's, I, I think there's too many questions out there about
00:33:04.680
something that is brand new that we've not had, you know, trials on, uh, if they needed it by my
00:33:11.060
parents, I would give it to my parents. I encouraged my parents to take it. If I were a little older
00:33:16.800
and more frail, I would take it. I'm called insane for having those standards. Am I?
00:33:24.680
No, you're completely rational. And when people are, are calling you names instead of debating the
00:33:30.520
science, you know, the tables have flipped the science, you know, the real science, the evidence
00:33:36.360
is what matters. And we know a couple of days ago, proof of, of exactly your understanding
00:33:42.820
was, uh, has been, uh, written in an article from Israel where they actually looked at some
00:33:49.540
7 million people and their experience from taking the vaccines or having had COVID or being unvaccinated
00:33:57.580
and not knowingly have had COVID. And what they found is that there was equal protection
00:34:02.980
from getting COVID either a second time or after vaccination, uh, from people who have been
00:34:10.800
vaccinated as, as the same as people who've had COVID in the past. And this means that their
00:34:18.140
protection from, from COVID is just as good as 90% or higher than, than the same as, as the
00:34:26.040
So then why is everybody pounding? And nobody seems to be paying attention to what we have going
00:34:31.620
on in Israel. We have a population that has, has vaccinated. They have heard, um, uh, immunity
00:34:39.600
now, uh, and we're seeing different kinds of results. We have the facts. Why isn't, why isn't
00:34:48.420
Well, because I think there's different motivations than just vaccinating people for their health
00:34:54.240
benefit. Um, I think we are in a mania, uh, there's no other way to put it that people are
00:35:01.920
convinced as a matter of their religious assumptions that vaccination is their creed and, and, and it's,
00:35:09.040
uh, a mania that there's no discussion. There's, there's no pros and cons that, that the cons don't
00:35:16.060
matter no matter what. Uh, I think that what's more interesting than Israel even is United Arab Emirates
00:35:21.700
who've also vaccinated 60% of their population with essentially the same vaccine, the Pfizer
00:35:27.820
vaccine. And I think their experience is more realistic that, uh, what one sees is the mortality
00:35:36.900
come down quickly, but the case numbers, not the case numbers are, uh, came down, but much more
00:35:42.780
slowly. And that is what's to be expected from vaccination. And that's why, even though we've been
00:35:48.160
vaccinating a lot in the U S that there's still cases occurring and we do have herd immunity in,
00:35:52.980
in many States in the U S, but it's, it will be slow and that doesn't matter. And as I've been saying
00:35:59.080
for the whole year, it's not the cases that matter. It's the people who are hospitalized and the people
00:36:04.740
who die from the disease that matter. And people are just freaking out.
00:36:08.220
That's what separates, right. That's what separates this from the flu is how bad it gets for so many
00:36:15.200
people and how many people would die from it compared to the flu. But if you get it and you're
00:36:20.420
sick and you're home and you stay home for a couple of weeks and you don't have to go to the hospital
00:36:25.320
and you don't die from it, then it's just the flu. Well, a couple of weeks would be enough to,
00:36:31.480
you know, to put a big dent on, on people's, uh, economic viability and so on. Uh, it should be a
00:36:38.700
couple of days and you know, we've, now we've got a half a dozen or more medications to be used to
00:36:44.540
treat this for outpatients when they're, when they're treated in the first few days and they
00:36:48.660
all work, they all combine. They're very effective. They're even if we know they're effective for the
00:36:53.460
Brazil variant, the Brazilians have been using them and have found them effective. So we know how
00:36:58.840
to manage this and we've known how to manage it for a long time. But of course, can you think of any
00:37:03.720
other drugs, any other approved medications that have been blocked or prohibited by medical
00:37:09.220
societies, you know, medical regulatory agencies? No, that is, that's especially like if you're
00:37:15.440
talking hydroxychloroquine, especially that's been out forever, forever. We know exactly what it is.
00:37:23.360
So the fact that there, that there's interference in a drug that is safer than aspirin that has been
00:37:30.040
used for 55 years in tens of billions of doses, the fact that there's pushback, uh, and, and formal
00:37:35.820
government and medical interference in that there's no explanation other than a nefarious reason.
00:37:47.340
So I could dismiss a lot of the things that were happening at the very beginning as, you know,
00:37:52.320
we didn't know what we were dealing with. Do we know what we're dealing with now?
00:37:56.160
Pretty much. Okay. Um, does it ever become something that we're, you know, cause I said
00:38:04.220
at the very beginning, you know, that this is probably going to be something that we have to
00:38:09.780
deal with for the rest of our lives, like the flu. But if it is even has the same rate of death of
00:38:15.820
the flu, that's doubling that. And it's a big number. So it's not something you want to do,
00:38:20.660
but it's going to be with us forever. And we're, it's going to be like the flu. Do we, does it look
00:38:26.480
like we're headed in that direction? Is that what we're, are we going to deal with this for the rest
00:38:31.420
I think that there's two things. First of all, this is when you, when children are affected,
00:38:38.040
it's a cold. It's almost every, you know, one in 10,000, it may be more serious, but, but by and
00:38:45.380
large, for almost all children, young children, this is, this is nothing worse than a cold. If
00:38:50.820
they spread it to each other, it's, it's, it's unusual. Mostly they get it from adults
00:38:55.660
and they develop T cell immunity and they're protected. You know, we only, we've only known
00:39:02.040
about it for, for 15 months or something. So it's hard to know how long anything lasts,
00:39:07.520
but the evidence is that that T cell immunity will be long last. We know that T cell immunity
00:39:12.220
from SARS one is now 17 years old and people still who have SARS one are, are still have
00:39:17.680
T cell immunity from that. So, um, it's likely that children will get it. It'll be a cold
00:39:23.700
like illness and they won't even, most won't even know it and it'll go away. And that'll
00:39:27.660
be the end of it for them as they get older in life. It's we adults who have to deal with
00:39:33.120
it now when it gets entered into the population as an endemic disease, which it is. So we have
00:39:39.360
a transition period to get through it that children, especially young children will not
00:39:44.580
have. And I think the long-term characteristic of this will be over the next 20 to 30 years
00:39:51.620
when each new generation of children hardly notices that anything's happening. Whereas
00:39:57.440
the adults, you know, have to deal with it one way or another. And whether it's vaccination,
00:40:03.360
whether it's getting the disease, whether it's prevention, whether it's treatment, all of
00:40:07.300
those are possible ways of dealing with it for the adults.
00:40:11.920
Is there any reason that you can see that Texas and Florida and places that didn't lock down
00:40:17.660
are doing better than, uh, the places like California and New York? Why is that happening?
00:40:25.820
That's because lockdown is counterproductive at the beginning, the very beginning of this,
00:40:30.380
when we had no idea what was going on, lockdown was useful in order to give us time by time to
00:40:36.540
figure out how to manage it and how to keep the hospitals from, from overflowing right at the
00:40:41.740
beginning. But after that point, once the disease is endemic, there's no point because all you're
00:40:46.980
doing is prolonging the inevitable. The disease is endemic. It is in the population. It will grow to
00:40:53.100
the, to the degree that there is no herd immunity. So the States like North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas,
00:40:59.100
Arizona, Tennessee, uh, you know, that, that didn't lock down or didn't really lock down
00:41:04.740
that have let the, the infection go and, and occur in young people who are mostly unaffected,
00:41:14.240
or if they get it, it's a mild disease and they recover pretty much perfectly well. If not in a
00:41:19.880
couple of weeks, then a month or two, then what you get is you build up a lot of herd immunity.
00:41:25.580
And so we had herd immunity in North Dakota in October and in South Dakota in October,
00:41:32.940
November, and so on. And, and so those peaks have come down dramatically, same as Texas and Florida.
00:41:38.520
The, the amount of herd immunity that's built up is quite large. And once that happens, and you know,
00:41:44.620
and this is, herd immunity is not a function of, of vaccines. Vaccines contribute to it, but so does
00:41:49.320
natural infection. And most people are asymptomatic. So they built up the herd immunity, whereas California
00:41:58.480
So is the idea that, uh, once you get the vaccine or once you've had it, that you still have to, uh,
00:42:07.040
be quarantined or you can't go out for 4th of July, or you have to wear masks. That's bull crap,
00:42:13.500
isn't it? Well, so this is a subtle thing that I don't think was well recognized. And that is that
00:42:20.320
just like masks, there's the benefit for the person and there's a benefit for the bystanders,
00:42:25.380
the people around the person, and that's called source control. And what we've heard that the, uh,
00:42:31.340
manufacturers randomized trials for safety and efficacy only examined benefit for the people who
00:42:37.720
were vaccinated. And that benefit is between 60 and 90% and generally tending towards the 90%
00:42:44.120
for, for most in, in the vaccination trials. But what they didn't evaluate is how much
00:42:50.260
vaccinated people, uh, do or, or don't transmit the infection to others. And this is why I was saying
00:42:57.460
the United Arab Emirates, their data shows that in fact, transmission is not, um, benefit quite nearly
00:43:06.820
as well as, as, as vaccine vaccination for the person. So the vaccines cut the individual's risk
00:43:14.080
by 90% of getting COVID, but they only cut the risk of transmission by 50 to 60%. And that's why
00:43:20.740
the case numbers go on for a long time, even though the mortality goes down. And I think that's really,
00:43:27.460
we've been sold the idea that if these vaccines prevent the disease by 90%, then why can't we just
00:43:33.740
go out and have normal life? And the answer is because they don't prevent transmission nearly as
00:43:37.860
much. And so it will still spread. Now, the spreading is, as I said, is not necessarily bad.
00:43:45.220
If the people who are at high risk, who will do poorly, if they get it are adequately protected,
00:43:50.500
either by vaccination or early treatment or prevention with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,
00:43:56.700
and other, other medications, if they're adequately, uh, protected, then the society reopens like
00:44:04.260
normal. Our schools should be open. Day camps should be open. Um, you know, because we, that is
00:44:11.120
how you get herd immunity in safe, natural, protected ways. And, and you protect high risk people by
00:44:17.740
keeping them, uh, basically separated to a certain degree, as well as having vaccination and prevention
00:44:26.140
and treatment. And I think that that's the whole way that, that this, we work out of this.
00:44:32.100
Dr. Um, it is a pleasure, pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much for the work that you do and,
00:44:38.060
uh, keep your spine. You are an inspiration to a lot of people, um, that you are willing to take the
00:44:45.220
hits, uh, from, from, you know, your own, your own circles. Um, thank you for that. Dr. Harvey Grish,
00:44:52.740
you know, uh, go ahead. Nature, you know, speaks to us through science and I don't consider that
00:45:00.260
nature lies to me. Nature tells the truth. I just have to be open to listening to it. And I'm just
00:45:04.480
a messenger here. Good for you. Dr. Harvey Grish, uh, epidemiology professor at the Yale School of