The Glenn Beck Program - July 10, 2025


Best of the Program | Guests: Douglass Mackey & Bill O'Reilly | 7⧸10⧸25


Episode Stats

Length

45 minutes

Words per Minute

159.15366

Word Count

7,186

Sentence Count

16

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

Darryl Mackie, the guy who spent seven months in jail for posting a Hillary Clinton meme online, the court ruled regarding his conviction yesterday. Wait until you hear from him. Also, Bill O'Reilly. I swear to god, I thought he was dead. But he's on the show today. After spending time earlier this year with Donald Trump, what did the President say to him about the Epstein files? Bill has the latest, and Edwin Black describes the backstory behind Israel s operation Rising Lion.


Transcript

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00:00:13.720 richer than you think douglas mackie the guy who spent seven months in jail for posting a hillary
00:00:19.760 clinton meme online the court ruled regarding his conviction yesterday wait until you hear from him
00:00:26.200 also bill o'reilly i swear to god i thought he was dead but he's on the show today after spending
00:00:31.320 time earlier this year with donald trump what did the president say to him about the epstein files
00:00:37.300 bill has the latest and edwin black describes the backstory behind israel's operation rising lion
00:00:44.100 all right let me talk to you about the burner launcher unless you've uh done some pretty you
00:00:48.520 know have some pretty serious issues you don't uh you don't own guns um because you're hoping to use
00:00:54.840 one on somebody someday no you do it because you hope to never use them but they're there in case
00:01:01.140 well that covers a wide range of emergency situations where violence is called for but it
00:01:06.900 doesn't cover all those situations because sometimes let's say you're in the car driving through the city
00:01:11.780 and now your car is surrounded by hamas protesters pounding on the glass uh what are you gonna do you
00:01:18.060 gonna shoot them no you're gonna drive over them no but with my burner launcher i could roll down my
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00:03:06.700 i wanted to talk to douglas mackie now this is a guy you probably know the name hopefully you do
00:03:13.420 he was sentenced to seven months in prison for putting together a meme uh during the uh election
00:03:21.720 with hillary clinton uh and he put a meme up uh that said uh you know you can you can vote from home
00:03:29.740 and i don't remember what it was do we have the meme actually there yeah there it is yeah you just
00:03:34.420 text hillary and it says maga on it you know hashtag maga it's clearly i mean you have to be a nincompoop
00:03:42.400 to believe this but you know there's a lot of nincompoops but uh just went away and then when
00:03:47.600 biden came in oh they decided to throw him uh throw the book at him uh and yesterday some really good
00:03:54.880 news happened a federal judge overturned this and he is now free uh from this insane uh dare i say it
00:04:04.920 hitlerian attempt on a freedom of speech uh douglas mackie is with us hi doug hi glenn great to be here
00:04:13.500 thank you oh i bet it is good to be here today right wow it's a great day to be an american
00:04:19.580 yeah so tell me uh first of all how'd you find out where were you uh and you know what the reaction
00:04:27.840 was with you and your family yeah so here i am on the first day of vacation with my you know beautiful
00:04:33.920 wife and our young son and my trial attorney sent me a text just said congrats and i figured wow it
00:04:42.380 just happened so i called him up and he gave me the news shortly thereafter i was able to actually get a
00:04:47.440 copy of the the opinion but no it was a great day to be on vacation i bet it was i bet it was so you've
00:04:56.240 been going through this for how long yeah this is four and a half years since uh you know four fbi
00:05:02.680 agents knocked on my door 7 a.m and that was seven days after joe biden was inaugurated wow
00:05:09.100 wow they had you in the sights long before long before they got into office and oh that's right
00:05:17.340 what did they say to you and what was your first reaction
00:05:21.860 well they said you know are you douglas mackie we have a warrant for your arrest the first words out
00:05:28.920 of my mouth were for what and i really had no idea that this meme was going to be the basis for
00:05:37.020 prosecution because you know at the time i wasn't even on twitter but back in the 2016 election
00:05:44.460 cycle you know i tweeted thousands of times so i had no idea and you know but i did know that once
00:05:51.140 they make you an enemy that it's like show me the man and i'll show you the crime so i was very curious
00:05:57.560 to see what they had cooked up and i didn't even get to i didn't even know until after the arraignment
00:06:03.580 when they they put it they took the leg shackles off me and placed a copy in my hands of a 30 page
00:06:09.680 criminal complaint and were you surprised that you were charged under the clan act the clan act a
00:06:18.800 federal felony i was shocked at the felony you know uh misdemeanor sometimes people would rather just
00:06:25.720 plea out rather than go to the expense of fighting it but a federal felony the kkk act unbelievable
00:06:33.160 and this was really kind of a trial balloon wasn't it the justice department was using the clan act
00:06:40.320 to go after pro-life people really just anybody just targeting whom whomever so absolutely i was the
00:06:47.880 first and let me mention this they indicted donald j trump on the same statute wow um when um
00:06:57.880 uh when you found out about the clan act and then yeah i mean your attorney had to be freaking out
00:07:05.820 saying this is ridiculous um and then when it was overturned yesterday how far do you think the
00:07:11.940 ramifications of your case being overturned go is it just you no no absolutely not so i mean this is a
00:07:21.040 total humiliation i believe for the sort of biden doj i mean one of many uh but this is a total
00:07:28.960 humiliation for the edny the doj the new york fbi and i think that unfortunately we did not necessarily
00:07:37.420 get as sweeping of a constitutional victory because you probably know these appellate courts they kind
00:07:44.240 of rule if you know once they come to a conclusion on let's say the one of the grounds they don't rule
00:07:50.260 on all the other grounds so i think they're going to think long and hard before bringing more of these
00:07:55.160 cases but unfortunately it's not part of the sweeping constitutional ruling that we wanted but
00:08:00.840 but but nevertheless a great victory so doug i have to tell you i think i heard a phrase you know it's
00:08:09.180 the process uh more than the uh uh process is the punishment yeah the process that's it the process
00:08:16.900 is the punishment and i've been thinking about that because i know somebody who has been waiting almost
00:08:21.440 10 years for the process and it's hanging over him and i thought i was talking to him a couple weeks ago
00:08:28.360 and i said how do you even live your life it's all you never know you never know what the next thing
00:08:33.740 is happening when they're going to start going okay well we're ready to take you to prison now
00:08:37.780 i mean how what is that like to live under this you know only i would say only faith can get you
00:08:46.600 through it i mean it just in the beginning uh the pre-trial is unbelievable i mean the amount of
00:08:52.800 stress and then but then the trial comes along and that's even more stress and then you know one of
00:09:00.540 the most difficult things to sit through is a sentencing hearing that was extremely difficult you
00:09:05.620 know getting lectured at by this hardcore partisan hack on sitting on the bench and uh you know it's
00:09:12.620 not about democrat or republican because the appellate court was bipartisan but in the case of this
00:09:19.900 particular judge you know it was very much getting a lecture so and then you know and then she said
00:09:25.760 we said we're moving for an appeal bond seven month sentence well appeals usually take a lot longer
00:09:31.620 than seven months and we have extremely strong grounds not only uh evidentiary which is what we
00:09:38.240 ultimately want on but constitutional grounds she denied the motion outright and guess what that means
00:09:43.560 well you're sitting around wondering if you're going to win the appeal bond we had to go to the circuit
00:09:48.460 court just to get an appeal bond and then we're sitting around waiting for that and so it's it's
00:09:54.060 unbelievable oh and by the way you know there's another 50 grand to argue that or 50 60 grand just to
00:09:59.840 argue an appeal bond douglas when all this happened at the beginning did you have some like massive
00:10:07.740 social media following that was moving tens of thousands of voters i mean what was your profile
00:10:13.660 at the time so at the time i did have a large account at 62 000 followers which back in the day was
00:10:20.560 pretty big and it was very active and they said you know they do these studies well you know i'm skeptical
00:10:27.000 but mit said it was one of the top 150 influential accounts on twitter at the time this would have
00:10:34.740 been early 16 during the primary and uh but the funny thing is that account was suspended by jack dorsey
00:10:42.800 early october and by the time i posted this meme i was doing it on a second account that only had
00:10:48.140 about 10 000 and that account the tweet itself only got like you know 100 likes or something
00:10:55.080 unbelievable likes how how why were you the target then of this that that's fascinating like why did
00:11:03.120 they single you out obviously people were posting all sorts of crazy things well you're not going to
00:11:08.200 believe this but it's got a lot to do with russia so uh well number one you know i'm a i was a
00:11:14.140 prominent quote-unquote influential trump supporter they had this uh breakdown about quote-unquote
00:11:20.160 disinformation misinformation it's supposedly this was enabling the rise of donald trump and
00:11:25.920 the quote-unquote far right right and so not only that they wanted to send a message about quote-unquote
00:11:32.160 misinformation and arrest a prominent trump supporter but they actually thought it's unbelievable
00:11:38.680 that the dj embraces these sort of theories but uh they actually thought that they were going to
00:11:44.220 arrest me they also squeezed a guy a poor guy this poor guy actually uh who pled guilty and and uh
00:11:52.160 cooperated he he testified against me in court on this non-existent crime and uh they thought they
00:11:58.240 were going to arrest me squeeze this other guy and and and and uncover some russia collusion this was on
00:12:06.060 the floor of the senate this meme was blown up on a big poster board on the floor of the senate senator
00:12:11.420 klobuchar did this and she said this is russia this is a crime we need investigation they actually thought
00:12:19.380 that that you know this was some russian plot uh to steal the election i i remember when we reported
00:12:26.480 on this and they were saying those things we said everybody everybody is at stake now because i mean
00:12:33.020 you know they if they can tie you with no connections to russia and say look this is a russian plot and
00:12:39.840 this is and without any evidence all of us could be you know swept up into this it was a very dangerous
00:12:46.140 thing and i'm so glad it was overturned you have to i mean i imagine that you went on a very cheap
00:12:51.840 vacation um because how much does this cost you and how are you paying for it yeah for sure you know uh
00:13:00.300 yeah this cost over 1 million probably approaching 1.5 i put in as much money as i possibly could which
00:13:10.760 is you know well into six figures and then we were able to raise money on that non-profit called mean
00:13:18.440 defense fund.com and but i still owe money you know i still owe a lot of money and and uh we're going to
00:13:24.580 raise some more money and we're going to file suit to try to recover all these legal fees
00:13:29.360 with the doj so you can go to meme defense fund.com if anybody wants to go and chip in a little bit
00:13:35.640 meme defense fund.com meme defense fund.com this one matters to all of us um i wish you the best
00:13:45.200 douglas i'm glad to hear that this has passed from you uh and uh go fight him now go fight him
00:13:51.100 turn the tables on him thank you douglas thank you you bet meme defense fund.com go there now
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00:15:11.660 i'm in a meeting and i hear that uh there's a guy who's got a great insight on what is going on
00:15:20.920 with the epstein thing and they say it's bill o'reilly and i look at my staff and i said i thought
00:15:26.360 he was dead and they were like just why and they're like no apparently he's still alive and i'm like shut up
00:15:35.560 we should have him on so bill o'reilly uh is coming on to tell us i don't have imus to kick
00:15:44.580 around anymore that's true uh so anyway bill's joining us here in just a second uh he had a
00:15:50.140 conversation with president trump about the epstein files and i i think he has a good insight on it
00:15:54.980 bill o'reilly welcome to the program sir how are you don't try to give me any of this back
00:16:01.800 don't try to give me this welcome however you know and right off the bat i have to correct you
00:16:08.160 yeah you're not you're not alive what he is dead i mean you know you don't know that oh yeah yeah
00:16:16.920 all right no i no i i thought you were dead anyway uh so bill oh
00:16:22.920 i i get it another brick in your wall
00:16:30.340 it's good to talk to you bill um tell me what you had a conversation with uh uh with president trump
00:16:40.520 of what a couple of months ago and you talked about patrick's day uh he invited me to sit in
00:16:47.000 on a cabinet meeting which he does from time to time uh and uh he said look we got files kennedy
00:16:54.500 king uh epstein what do you think and i said well first kennedy got put out pretty much everything
00:17:02.980 which he did uh king he didn't i don't know why uh because that's important too uh and then on epstein
00:17:10.760 i said be careful here because this is now being used uh in political uh precincts both sides want
00:17:20.260 to destroy anybody that was associated with epstein and the problem is that uh a federal investigation
00:17:28.360 they don't um make a determination whether you had a what kind of a relationship you had with epstein
00:17:35.420 they said so-and-so had lunch with them or maybe so-and-so uh had uh saw him at a party
00:17:41.780 and i said any name of a human being associated with epstein in any way that person is going to be
00:17:49.460 destroyed because you know the press is not going to put anything into context um so i said but it's
00:17:56.140 very important that the justice department tell the folks what they know and you don't want to get
00:18:02.440 specific with names but you die you have to say this is the information that we've compiled
00:18:07.900 and that's not hard and i don't know why the trump administration is not doing that
00:18:12.940 wow so first of all it's your fault that we're not getting any names uh we learn a lot probably my
00:18:21.600 fault but the president you know what i think you're right i don't i don't want all the names of the
00:18:26.700 people i want to know and i don't either i want to know the justice right i want to know the justice
00:18:31.020 department has sorted through the things and then have gone uh gone through and said this is
00:18:36.940 criminal this is not these people are being indicted etc etc but to come out and say there is
00:18:44.740 nothing there uh i mean it's it's at least mass in it's mass incompetence at least from pam bondi
00:18:54.860 how could she come out and say it's all sitting on my desk and then when she doesn't release it she
00:19:00.300 says well that's because the fbi in new york is thwarting this process there are people up there
00:19:05.900 that are trying to keep this uh from me and then she makes no arrest on that we never hear about that
00:19:12.220 again and now all of a sudden there's nothing to see well listen pam bondi doesn't make decisions on
00:19:18.320 our own no cabinet member does all the decisions come out of the west wing so what i believe happened
00:19:26.120 was trump was so obsessed with the big bill with iran with putin with china that this he didn't even
00:19:34.760 think about this okay and then it slowly began and it slowly began to unravel and then it caught him
00:19:42.280 by surprise but this is easy to fix so so easy if i'm in charge and that would be a great thing for
00:19:50.100 everyone except you back but every other american if i were in charge tremendous you right would be
00:19:58.800 in botswana no right oh i know you would be on a plane on your way yeah yeah but anyway i'd be the
00:20:05.040 ambassador of the white farmers in in uh south africa if it were up to you i know i know no you'd be
00:20:11.420 wandering around going i'm glenn beck and they go who that's what you'd be doing um that's every day
00:20:17.660 this this could happen within the hour pam body announces a press conference for tomorrow
00:20:25.140 at that press conference sitting next to her is merrick garland everyone
00:20:30.880 the attorney general under biden who had this stuff for four years
00:20:35.600 now i understand that uh mr garland has gone native and is living in anguilla so well we can find
00:20:42.900 him we can pull him out of there and have him and pam sit there and answer questions in a general way
00:20:50.160 about what evidence the justice department of the united states has compiled
00:20:56.160 that's it well if it's not going to happen then president trump is going to take a hit
00:21:04.820 but he's calculating that this will fade it's not that important but i don't know why you won't do it
00:21:12.480 i i just don't know and i'm usually pretty good at predicting what the president does or does not do
00:21:18.960 so here's the thing bill i i i think he keeps focusing on epstein it's not that big of a deal
00:21:25.980 it's not about epstein it's about justice it's about can we trust the people correct it's it's all about
00:21:33.860 credibility and justice um and i he's not seeing that and i don't know how he's missing that
00:21:39.840 because i agree with you look i don't i don't know he's been so busy on so many other things that
00:21:44.720 that's right you know this is not at the top of his priority list but he did campaign on it
00:21:50.000 right and i don't know if there's anybody inside the white house uh who are gonna you know he looks
00:21:57.200 to be annoyed when this subject comes up oh i know here's the what works you know people have to
00:22:04.020 understand a guy like donald trump runs it all if he's annoyed nobody's going to want to annoy him
00:22:10.260 more okay that's just how it works but the overarch is because epstein got favorable treatment
00:22:18.300 by the feds in the first go around in florida that there's a deep suspicion about this case but if you
00:22:27.060 break it down if the biden administration had any dirt on any republican associated with epstein it
00:22:34.460 would have been out and vice versa if the republicans any dirt on any democrats now we know that former
00:22:43.620 president clinton was involved with epstein to some extent i don't know whether that's a factor
00:22:50.580 okay i don't know but you're right for once you're right it's about credibility it's about the
00:23:01.900 american people trusting that we do have equal justice for all so what do you what do you make
00:23:10.400 of now the russiagate thing coming out today or yesterday the fisa court uh the fact that they're
00:23:18.180 now saying hey you know we need to hold brennan accountable we're like five or six aways away
00:23:24.460 days away uh weeks away from him uh you know slipping past the uh the statute of limitations
00:23:32.040 um i mean all these things are out today there's that there is also uh let's see here the secret
00:23:41.680 service i think this happened a year ago but it's being reported as if it's new secret service
00:23:46.580 to suspend six agents assigned to protect trump during the butler assassination attempt i mean
00:23:51.880 all these things are coming out like look we're busy on all these things and i do believe they're
00:23:56.520 busy on these things but it it's just it's it's it's like the keystone cops are in charge of the pr on
00:24:03.300 this it's bad well there's a lot of politics involved with both of those cases number one in order to
00:24:10.200 get comey and brennan to be indicted by a grand jury federal grand jury and that's the only passage
00:24:18.140 you'd have to have a whistleblower saying yeah these guys abuse their power i work for them
00:24:24.860 and they absolutely wanted to get trump and they knew the russia dossier was phony and they did it
00:24:32.340 anyway if you have that justice department then you can get those guys if you don't have it
00:24:39.920 they will not even be indicted by a grand jury so how is it we do not have that justice department
00:24:47.380 yeah how do we not have that justice department well look i don't know whether they have a whistleblower
00:24:53.700 or not okay and i if they have a whistleblower i want that case to go forward i want those two men
00:25:02.080 indicted that's they you can't do that at that level as far as the secret service is concerned
00:25:07.960 monumental screw up everybody knows it they fired the moron who was in charge of it that woman i was
00:25:14.400 just embarrassed listening to her try to explain any of you didn't know what the deuce was going on
00:25:19.400 but this was across the board in the biden administration you know the assassination
00:25:25.080 attempt was a year ago sunday this upcoming sunday and right i uh it is just another example
00:25:34.340 of how the biden administration was the second worst administration in the history of this country
00:25:40.920 people have no idea how bad it was every single agency was chaotic nothing worked
00:25:48.820 and that and this is just part of that and i'm we'll have a slew of stuff on sunday nothing
00:25:55.540 really meaningful i mean they you know suspended the secret service agents as they should have
00:26:00.960 they fired the director as they should have the guy was a nut um i don't know if there's anything
00:26:06.500 more to that i doubt it uh i'm more interested in the guy in the bushes because we don't know
00:26:11.420 anything about him that you know they got before him i'd like to know a little bit about him
00:26:15.780 but again the federal government you know it doesn't really matter who's president they never
00:26:20.420 want to tell us stuff that never it's always you gotta pull it out of them you know it's almost like
00:26:26.940 russia something come on right let me let me ask you let me take you back again to the epstein thing
00:26:34.660 i noticed yesterday there were these people who are who are on the left who are taking tweets of
00:26:41.520 mind that say look these things don't make sense uh on the epstein thing and they just have to be
00:26:46.720 answered and not anti-trump at all um and yet the anti-trump people were retweeting that and they're
00:26:55.640 trying to they're trying to get the the right to fight against itself again and split people away from
00:27:04.240 donald trump where i don't think this epstein thing is is splitting people from donald trump at least
00:27:10.480 at this point and i you know i my wife stopped me from uh answering some of those tweets uh yesterday
00:27:19.160 because it's never good when you uh when you tweet uh in anger which i did um but uh or was going to
00:27:26.880 um what do you think about how this is being used against the right to try to separate us even more
00:27:34.420 every everything is political everybody knows that now um but the mega people from the mail i get and
00:27:42.300 i get a voluminous amount of mail uh they're not happy now oh i agree they're gonna i'm not happy
00:27:49.560 are they gonna throw president trump under the cliche ridden bus no no because you know to them the
00:27:58.160 greater good is being served by a fair tax bill uh trying to cut waste um dealing with iran
00:28:06.040 effectively and hopefully dealing with putin that's another thing that that's on um trump's plate he's
00:28:13.440 got to deal with putin now has to and that's going to be the next big story how's he going to deal
00:28:19.160 so they're in yeah they're in lavrov and and rubio are in indonesia as we speak uh and i assume
00:28:27.080 that uh rubio is delivering a message like this is it you either stop or we're going to just
00:28:34.700 absolutely crush you economically which the united states can do by saying no bank does business with
00:28:42.360 moscow and if you do business no matter what bank you are we're going to put you out of business
00:28:48.940 okay i've only got a couple of seconds but don't didn't but didn't we already do that under biden
00:28:53.720 no we didn't do the bank we did the sanctions and the sanctions they can always get around because
00:28:59.140 china's going to buy as much oil from russia as possible but you you stop the banks from doing all
00:29:05.380 business with moscow food's going to have that what the swift thing was all about wasn't that's what
00:29:11.360 we when we kicked him off of swift wasn't that what that was all about no because he can still
00:29:16.680 doing huge business uh with with countries buying his oil and and they got to pay putin and russia for
00:29:25.020 the oil and that has to go through the banking system if you stop the banking system he can't get paid
00:29:31.860 it's amazing i would i'm glad i'm not the president right now i think he has made some very brave
00:29:38.540 decisions and he is he is walking a tightrope i mean the world is on edge and uh he looks very
00:29:45.240 tired to me he looks very tired i haven't talked to him in a while which is unusual um but uh you're
00:29:53.760 right you're absolutely right but that's the second time you've been right in this conversation my god
00:29:58.120 i know it's crazy it's crazy i was wrong about you being dead but uh right i don't know it's good
00:30:04.540 it's good to talk to you my friend is everything okay is everything going well everything's all right
00:30:09.560 back we are uh phenomenally successful but that that's old news we've been that way for 50 years
00:30:14.980 but i appreciate you having me on your fine program uh sounds like he's still breathing uh which is a
00:30:21.500 you know in some precincts that's good right yeah uh but look let's uh i got a big book called
00:30:29.080 confronting evil of course we sent it to you and of course you'll deny getting it but that comes out
00:30:34.260 september 9th so put me on the dance card we'll have you on you're gonna love that book yeah okay and
00:30:39.860 you can also find bill uh and his uh youtube page uh youtube.com slash bill o'reilly uh or is it the
00:30:47.020 walking dead no he's not even laughing he's not even laughing right now maybe he hung up uh bill
00:30:55.460 o'reilly great to have him on you're streaming the best of the glenn beck program and you can find
00:31:00.220 full episodes wherever you download podcasts this guy is one of my favorite authors uh he is best
00:31:07.640 selling international investigative author author 300 award-winning editions 20 different languages in
00:31:14.400 190 countries as well as scores as newspaper magazine articles from the leading publications
00:31:20.580 in the united states israel and in europe he has hosted his weekly issues oriented and history-based
00:31:27.800 podcast the end with black show now for i don't need i don't know since i think he started right
00:31:32.760 around right around the time covid happened i think um and he is um uh he's written some of my
00:31:41.120 favorite books including uh the far hood uh which is a must read and ibm and the holocaust which is a
00:31:48.120 must read as well especially since ibm now is making some of the leading ai for doctors uh let's go to
00:31:56.880 edwin black hi edwin how are you good morning glenn how are you i'm great uh so the first thing that
00:32:04.320 went through my mind when i saw this come out i thought okay how could you possibly write a book
00:32:10.120 about the bombing of israel about the bombing of iran this quickly now i know the answer tell the answer
00:32:17.500 okay well first of all uh glenn i always knew that israel would attack iran and that america would
00:32:28.320 help out i've been tracking the progress of the iranian nuclear enterprise day by day for about 20 years
00:32:38.260 i actually wrote most of the text about two years ago when i thought the attack was imminent
00:32:46.760 and i've been waiting for the last chapter to be written and when finally operation rising lion and
00:32:57.240 operation midnight hammer put an end to iran's nuclear ambitions which by the way would have doomed
00:33:06.520 humanity to mushroom clouds when finally that happened i went to work i worked with a great team
00:33:13.540 my publishers and my uh um channels i'm sure you know what the channel challenges they all cooperated
00:33:21.680 at the executive level and here we are you're the first to be uh told and the book has just released
00:33:30.980 in 190 countries in 12 different editions audio electronic paperback and hardback that's great
00:33:38.500 um you know i know because i know your research is so solid and i know how thorough you are um you go
00:33:47.200 in in the book and you talk about this warhead and something that most people don't know we have been
00:33:52.400 training for this exact operation for about 15 years i mean we built a we built a model in the ground
00:34:01.720 i think it was in white sands wasn't it anyone um a model of this particular facility to try this bomb
00:34:09.980 out years ago to see exactly how far it could penetrate can you tell a little bit of that story
00:34:15.720 that's right i was actually the first one uh some years ago to reveal the existence in an article that
00:34:23.800 i wrote uh of the massive ordinance penetrator and um uh uh i revealed this 30 000 pound never before
00:34:35.900 tried bomb which was basically dependent upon an incredibly hard shell coming down to an incredibly
00:34:44.000 fast rate of speed so it would penetrate and then wait until it penetrated hundreds of feet below the
00:34:52.940 earth and then finally detonate this extraordinary uh explosive and there was one and then basically
00:35:00.960 two guys in the department of of the defense who were in on the development of the mop and for 15 years
00:35:11.840 approximately they studied every satellite image of the fordo facility that you've made reference to
00:35:20.280 where they had thousands of these uh centrifuges they studied every night the changes the ground the
00:35:30.140 weather they made a test rep they made a test replica and they finally went down in the ventilation shaft
00:35:38.940 so that was unobstructed and then the force of the overpressure and and the fire just destroyed
00:35:46.800 everything yeah the ventilation shaft i mean you know that is that's right out of the movie the second
00:35:52.860 top gun in so many ways um and i was told this bomb was so accurate and had many fail safes if you
00:36:00.060 were jammed if the gps was jammed or whatever it could still operate um and it could it could target for
00:36:06.260 50 000 feet it could hit the center of a coke can if that was the target it was that accurate
00:36:14.300 well that's exactly uh the first test was actually against a red flag that was no bigger than a t-shirt
00:36:22.640 and it was dropped from 55 000 feet there's only uh three airplanes that can carry this that's the b2
00:36:31.600 uh the b2 bomber the b52 and of course now the new um uh the new uh b41 which is the the raider there
00:36:42.700 are very few of those there were many many uh um options that israel had some of which i can't reveal
00:36:50.480 there were many secret weapons that israel had which were extraordinary which have not been used
00:36:56.740 and i think glenn this will not be the last kinetic action that we see in iran uh because
00:37:05.020 um they have made it clear they're going to continue to uh find a way to reconstitute their program and so
00:37:12.920 yes the pro the program was obliterated but it can be unobliterated by an apocalyptic
00:37:21.400 shia regime that believes it is destined to bring in the apocalypse and paradise by exterminating
00:37:32.360 the jews of israel and of course if one of these did get through and they were only two weeks away
00:37:39.800 and my book israel strikes iran makes this very clear if one of these would have gotten through
00:37:47.260 israel strike capability by air so by land and by sea let me ask you you say it was obliterated how do
00:37:58.360 we know it was obliterated and not just set back uh a few months how do we know that it was obliterated
00:38:04.960 and nothing was moved in the last minute well um a lot of people have seen there were there are um
00:38:13.980 uh 400 kilograms about 881 pounds of highly enriched 60 percent uranium 60 percent is high but
00:38:24.860 to make a nuclear device you need 90 percent 90 percent the centrifuges that are involved in enriching
00:38:35.200 those molecules basically they work like a washer dryer they spin off the uh the the ice and
00:38:43.960 isotopes those have been destroyed the manufacturing location uh that made those ir6 centrifuges
00:38:54.840 had destroyed in addition these uh these systems are so difficult and so sensitive if you just push one
00:39:05.640 you'll definitely you'll throw it off you'll throw it off tilter and they have to be uh serviced on a
00:39:12.900 regular basis calibrated and serviced now both things are true it was obliterated and if you have a
00:39:23.300 theocratic regime that is intent on um uh subjecting its own population to devastating sanctions for years
00:39:35.440 and becoming a rogue or um uh theocracy they can start it up again but you can track these molecules you can
00:39:46.320 track them with drones you can track them with trucks they don't need to hide these uh these systems
00:39:53.900 underground and they're already studying a location at pickaxe mountain they can put them in barns and they can put
00:40:03.800 them in oil tankers they can put them in yemen so the only way to really know that we've stopped the iranian nuclear
00:40:14.680 ambition is regime change now that was not done because the powers to be both in israel and washington did not want to decapitate
00:40:26.440 uh a head of state it's going to be up to the people of iran to make that happen but already
00:40:35.240 700 people have been arrested seven have been um uh executed people are being stopped on the street
00:40:45.360 they're afraid to their phones are being seized so they're afraid to leave home with their phone
00:40:51.080 and they're clamping down i think that we're going to see more kinetic action in the coming days
00:40:57.940 you can mark my words because the iranian regime doesn't know how to say no
00:41:05.100 well you think this will be american action or israeli action
00:41:10.620 once again it'll be israeli action but um there may be an american assist remember
00:41:18.720 uh when you say israeli action israel is using uh millions of dollars worth of american weaponry
00:41:28.660 so we are providing the weapons they are making many of their own but we are providing them
00:41:34.500 and let me switch topics here for biden didn't and biden didn't right and biden blackmailed
00:41:42.660 israel from the moment of october 7th and actually held up the minesweepers the 2 000 pound bombs
00:41:53.340 and uh and the helicopters that israel needed so we are definitely behind israel here
00:42:01.060 you um you are the guy who you were on our show i don't know a few years ago and you talked to me
00:42:07.680 about i think it was the six or seven stages to you know a holocaust and we were traveling down
00:42:15.920 that road pretty quickly um we still had some significant things we had to pass but as i watch
00:42:21.680 what's happening with uh islamicism over in europe and i see what's coming over here in america what's
00:42:28.140 on our own streets i am really concerned about about islam uh and i should make sure i'm saying it
00:42:35.840 right islamists the people that want sharia law which seem to be in massive numbers now at least in
00:42:44.360 europe well you've made the correct distinction it's not islam it's islamism because remember uh
00:42:55.060 there are more indians excuse me there are more muslims in india which is very friendly to israel
00:43:01.720 and of course the gulf states that are very friendly with israel but it's the islamists and
00:43:07.660 these are the people you are referring to the radicals and yes these are the people who i'm
00:43:13.680 afraid you're terribly right have overtaken uh the capitals of europe and more than that they've
00:43:22.520 overtaken the english-speaking world outside of the united states and i refer now to canada
00:43:28.300 i referred to um to ireland i referred to australia to great britain to south africa to south africa
00:43:37.980 and i believe that what you fear will break out closest to home first in canada before it actually
00:43:47.520 filters into our country as well but i can tell you it's coming into our country and we need we have
00:43:55.600 not had a serious conversation about uh what we should do edwin black from the uh edwin black show
00:44:04.820 it's a podcast you can hear um he is the author of ibm and the holocaust and faroud which you really
00:44:10.900 need to read and the new one uh israel strikes again or strikes iran the backstory behind israel's
00:44:18.400 operation rising lion it's israel strikes iran make sure you pick it up it's available in all formats
00:44:24.320 uh as of yesterday or no it releases i think today so make sure you get it edwin as always my friend
00:44:31.080 good to talk to you thank you thank you glenn i hope to see you soon you got it
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