The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Dr. Robert Epstein & Kevin Williamson ｜ 8⧸21⧸19

00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to the podcast. I've got a great one for you today. Dr. Robert Epstein is going to be

00:00:05.740 joining us. He is he's a guy that's been looking into Google. He has been warning we are in real

00:00:13.680 trouble. We were in trouble in 2016 because Google is manipulating algorithms and search results

00:00:19.320 and it can change a large number of voters. And he says 2020 is going to be even worse.

00:00:24.640 Well, now he's under attack only because Donald Trump tweeted this guy is a Clinton supporter

00:00:31.700 and Hillary Clinton has come out against him. And now he is quite concerned about what's going to

00:00:38.460 happen to him. Another one caught in the the rat trap, if you will, of political correctness and

00:00:44.620 the mobocracy of America. Also, we're going to talk about the mobocracy of red flag laws and

00:00:50.500 and some some fundraising notices that are coming out from a political party on gun control. And

00:00:57.180 you'll never guess which political party is behind it. Then you don't want to miss Kevin

00:01:01.980 Williamson. Kevin Williamson, one of the best writers, author of the new book,

00:01:05.840 The Smallest Minority Independent Thinking in the Age of Mob Politics, joins us all on today's podcast. 0.63

00:01:11.900 The numbers are beyond horrific. Every day in the United States, a hundred people are killed with

00:01:32.040 guns and hundreds more are shot and injured. Is that true? Hundreds, hundreds of people are shot and

00:01:37.340 injured by caught by guns every day in America. Is that true? Hundreds? Well, I mean, you have what,

00:01:45.120 40,000 deaths per year from guns. Um, so I guess I guess it would have that, that, you know, of course,

00:01:51.760 it just means, um, uh, that also includes suicides and all the disclaimers, but that's over a hundred

00:01:57.820 of just, just deaths. So it's probably true. You know, we should probably separate these out from

00:02:02.720 violent criminal kind of things. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. These, like these death numbers

00:02:07.340 include like a guy, you know, uh, about to assault, you know, slit a woman's throat and a police

00:02:13.580 officer shoots them. Like that's included in that number. Right. Like there, a lot of these are

00:02:17.720 just, you know, can we separate those out? Let's just have a separate amount because I mean, you know,

00:02:21.520 one of the main things here, well, let me just get back to this. One of the main things is the next

00:02:25.980 line. Nearly two thirds of all yearly gun deaths in this country are suicides. Now, do you really

00:02:33.760 think that taking away a gun, by the way, that's not an AR two thirds of all of the gun related deaths

00:02:41.880 two thirds are, are suicides? Yeah. And if you, if you think that that is a gun problem, you're going

00:02:51.580 to have to explain why countries like Japan with no guns have a much higher suicide rate than us or

00:02:57.280 Russia who has a gun ownership rate of one 10th of the United States yet has a much higher murder 1.00

00:03:03.880 rate and a much higher suicide rate. In Pennsylvania, gun violence claims over 1500 lives every year

00:03:10.180 with gun suicides comprising 63% of all firearms deaths in Pennsylvania. 65% of veteran suicides in

00:03:18.220 our state involve a gun. Oh, we should take our guns away from veterans. Every day told an argument 0.91

00:03:24.380 to make. I mean, let's, yeah, let's argue to the people who've been defending our country that and

00:03:30.260 who, who have trained with these weapons and done everything that they could to, to, to protect

00:03:34.680 these liberties. Yeah. Let's take their guns away. Let's take veterans guns away. Wow. What a wonderful 0.97

00:03:40.040 idea that is. The everyday toll of gun violence in America is utterly heartbreaking. And this violence

00:03:45.120 routinely shocks the collective soul of our nation. We look for solutions to end America's

00:03:50.020 epidemic of gun violence. One sure way to reduce firearms death is through the implementation of

00:03:55.340 red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection order laws. To date, these laws have been enacted in

00:04:02.700 17 states and the district of Columbia. Oh, well then that's a good idea. Back on February 14th,

00:04:08.220 there was a one year anniversary of Parkland, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My proposal, Senate bill 90 would

00:04:14.060 allow our judges to temporarily remove firearms from people in crisis who pose an imminent threat

00:04:19.460 of harming themselves or others. Red flag laws. Now, which party sent this out? You're setting us up

00:04:28.120 here. This is Senator Tom Killian, the ninth district, uh, in, uh, and a Republican in Pennsylvania

00:04:36.660 sending to all of his supporters. Republicans. Is this who you are? I mean, there's a lot of support

00:04:45.360 for red flag laws among Republicans. Yeah. Well, the second is good for you. It's good for you. You're 0.99

00:04:50.000 not, you are no longer, you are no longer a, a constitutionalist. You cannot consider yourself

00:04:57.400 a small government constitutionalist. If you believe in, in gun control and infringement, we're not

00:05:05.460 talking about, look, I have no problem. If you are, um, deemed dangerous after you've had the chance

00:05:15.860 to testify, you are innocent until proven guilty. We cannot cross this line. You are innocent until

00:05:26.500 proven guilty. The red flag law says some accuser can go to court and say, you know what? They're very,

00:05:33.780 very dangerous. They're very dangerous. I've been, look, I was married to them for a very long time

00:05:41.380 and, uh, the threats. Oh, you would not believe the threats that they're making. You don't think

00:05:47.980 vengeance, uh, just, just pettiness would get involved. You don't think that there's someone

00:05:54.360 in your family, perhaps, perhaps not. Maybe you're lucky. My no in, I know in my extended family,

00:06:03.020 I would not count it out that somebody in my extended family or relations would say,

00:06:11.880 oh yeah, yeah, I was, I was at a family reunion. The guy's unstable. Oh, he's absolutely unstable.

00:06:18.000 You could have people sitting at this desk with you that would make claims like that to the courts.

00:06:22.580 I mean, if you've ever been through a horrible divorce. Oh my God. Go back to, uh,

00:06:29.420 you don't even have to go. You could go to one of the brothers or sisters or uncles or aunts or

00:06:33.900 anybody else that just was angry. Why was Barack Obama our president? Why? Well, he won a Senate

00:06:39.740 race in Illinois. Why did he win the Senate race in Illinois? Well, he was in a very tight race against

00:06:44.400 Jack, Jack, I want to say Jack Ryan, but that's the character, right? Yeah. Who was the guy? I can't

00:06:48.760 remember his name. Uh, Ryan was his last name who went through a very nasty, uh, divorce with an

00:06:55.240 actress, uh, who in the divorce, uh, proceedings, uh, accused him of all sorts of crazy stuff that

00:07:02.360 somehow Barack Obama's people got unsealed. And then eventually his opponent, Obama's opponent

00:07:07.420 had to drop out of the race. Uh, it is Jack Ryan. Thank you. Does it end up to be true?

00:07:13.200 I, you know, after, I don't think so. Uh, you know, obviously wasn't there. Um, uh, and afterwards,

00:07:20.620 you know, after the divorce happened, they, there was a, a cooling off period and, oh, well,

00:07:26.720 he's not that person and blah, blah, blah. You're going through a divorce. This happens all the time.

00:07:30.960 Your husband loves guns, loves guns. And you want to bilk him for everything, every penny he's got.

00:07:41.520 Okay. That's not an unheard of, uh, uh, scenario because you're, you're being pushed by the

00:07:49.540 attorneys. You're angry, whatever it is. You're telling me that America, you can't see a husband

00:07:57.280 or a wife doesn't matter. Yeah. Say, you know what? You're going to give this to me or I'm going to 0.53

00:08:05.140 talk about your guns. It's objectively worse the other way, right? Let's say a woman is maybe having 1.00

00:08:11.040 an affair and the guy's very angry about it. And she has a gun to protect herself against an angry 0.70

00:08:16.220 man. And the man goes and says, you know what? She's nuts. She's been threatening people. I think 0.99

00:08:21.020 my children are in danger. Go take her guns. They go do that. Then she's vulnerable from him.

00:08:26.820 Right. I mean, it is, it's, it's a terrible thing. And we've tried this red flag law thing out

00:08:32.200 recently, uh, on another issue. It's called me too accusations. Uh, we've, where we've just been like,

00:08:37.960 you know what? Yeah. Yeah. Just take all their power away, take their jobs away, throw them out

00:08:41.580 of society. And then we'll figure out whether they actually did it or not. But then this,

00:08:45.420 what makes this worse is that's not involving the government or the court system. Right. That's

00:08:51.040 just public opinion. This is public opinion. That's bad enough. This one is saying, no,

00:08:56.280 we deem you guilty before you even have a chance to answer the charge. Yeah. And it's, it's,

00:09:03.020 and your reputation being of high quality is not a constitutional right. People can say all,

00:09:10.160 they have all sorts of terrible opinions about you. I don't know if you've noticed that some

00:09:13.120 people have terrible opinions about you even Glenn. It's true. Um, but you know, constitutional

00:09:18.620 right is your right to have bare arms. So we're taking away a constitutionally guaranteed thing

00:09:22.740 with no, I mean, cause like red flag laws already exist. Red flag laws are when you go and you say,

00:09:30.440 hey, you know, we need to get this person is really erratic and he's acting and we need to

00:09:35.400 have him committed, right? Involuntary commitment. Um, these things already exist. The only thing

00:09:40.920 that the new brand of red flag laws does is it makes it so they take the guns before they figure 0.67

00:09:47.400 it out. Yeah. Right. Like this is like, I don't know if he's crazy. Let's just take the guns and

00:09:51.580 then we'll figure it out and see if it's true. That is craziness upside down. That is craziness.

00:09:57.220 That is against everything we stand for. This is the, you remember you're taking away a person's

00:10:03.860 right to be innocent before guilty. You, what you're doing is you're starting down this slippery

00:10:14.680 slope that look, things happen. So we've got it. We're going to look at you as guilty and everybody

00:10:20.820 will know you're guilty and we're going to take your guns and good luck getting them back. By the way,

00:10:25.660 we're going to take your guns. But if you prove yourself to be responsible, excuse me,

00:10:33.200 this is, this is personally, I think that is civil war. I think these red flag laws are very popular 0.93

00:10:43.160 though. I mean, they, they, they poll very well. Then maybe not. I don't think people understand

00:10:47.780 exactly what they are. I don't think so either. You know, and it's like, you know, you have a,

00:10:52.060 a situation where the research on the red flag laws where they've been implemented shows no effect

00:10:57.840 on homicide rate. It shows a very slight effect on suicide rate. And we've seen, you know, some of

00:11:04.920 these states we're talking about a third of cases are later found out to be frivolous. A third?

00:11:12.000 You're taking away the constitutional right from a third of the people you're accusing? You can't do

00:11:17.280 that. That is not an American principle whatsoever. I know we really, like we all have these people

00:11:23.480 around us that are like, oh man, I, that guy seems dangerous. This is why most of those people don't go

00:11:28.140 out and shoot people. This is why I am not for the death penalty. It's not because of life, innocent

00:11:34.600 life. I'm opposed to taking innocent life. And that is why I'm, I'm torn on the death penalty,

00:11:42.360 but it finally come down on the death penalty. I'm against it because we can make mistakes and I

00:11:49.340 don't want to be responsible for taking innocent life. So put them in jail, stop all this nonsense of,

00:11:57.920 you know, racking everything up. If you're going to do it, then do it, but you better make sure you're

00:12:04.120 right. You want to execute somebody. Look how many people just from DNA tests. Now we may get to a 0.97

00:12:09.100 point to where you got it because everything's on camera. Everything's, but then you've got deep

00:12:13.580 fakes. Are you, are you sure you don't want to put an innocent man to death? You don't want an

00:12:21.140 innocent man in jail. You're going to destroy people just on what one person or one side of an opinion.

00:12:32.860 There's two sides and we must have the, the, uh, presumption of innocence for American citizens,

00:12:41.820 not the presumption of guilt. That is what leads to Stalin, Nazis, Mussolini, Mao, whoever you want, 0.70

00:12:52.420 when they can scoop you up or take your stuff or you lose your job through a court system

00:13:00.100 that says, yeah, well, we're going to, we will get back to you. We'll, we'll, we'll fix your life

00:13:05.640 if we were wrong. Really? Where do you go? Where do you go after the, after the sheriff or the FBI

00:13:12.780 are at the front of your house, taking out your stuff because you've been deemed unstable? Where do

00:13:20.060 you go to get that reputation back? Where do you go in this time where there is no forgetting because

00:13:26.760 of the internet? Where do you go when you, when you go in for a job interview and they Google your

00:13:32.580 name? Oh, and they see the pictures of the guns leaving your house because you might be unstable.

00:13:37.480 Where do you go to get that erased? Where? So, uh, the Washington Post has just written an article,

00:13:46.100 Anthony Scarmucci and the nine biggest one eighties on Trump ranked. Uh, number 10 is Scarmucci,

00:13:52.920 I think. Uh, number nine is Ann Coulter. Now this is, yeah, cause she's a, she's the roof,

00:13:59.600 the, I was for him. Now I'm against him. Yeah, no, no, no. She wrote a book in Trump we trust. Okay.

00:14:05.600 And you know what? I think he's been pretty decent on the border. He hadn't been great and he hasn't,

00:14:11.340 you know, done the border wall, but he's, I think he's tried. She reportedly at least co-wrote his

00:14:18.200 initial border proposal. So she's very tied into the details of that. Uh, and so she's maybe not

00:14:25.700 excited that the, the wall has not been able to get that across the finish line. Well, she says he

00:14:29.880 deserves to lose reelection. Okay. Uh, Mike Pompeo is, uh, is the next one. Jason Chaffetz is number

00:14:37.460 seven coming in at number six, Mick Mulvaney. Number five, Andrew Napolitano. I didn't know that

00:14:43.520 cause he was very anti-Trump, wasn't he? He's a libertarian, right? So he's not going to like the,

00:14:48.180 the executive sort of actions. I, but I have not heard him flip on that. I mean, he's not,

00:14:53.960 has he changed that? Oh, actually no, he's gotten worse. Oh, I think he's gotten worse. Uh,

00:15:00.900 once purveyor deep sea, Sarah Greger, he recently accused Trump of unleashing a torrent of hatred

00:15:07.500 in a Fox news.com op-ed. Trump claims this is because he declined to nominate, uh, Napolitano for

00:15:13.300 Supreme court. That's, uh, then Anthony Scarmucci numbers coming in at number three, Glenn Beck.

00:15:20.320 Hey, listen, you did well on the list or did I, there's no, this is no way to win on either,

00:15:28.260 in either direction. No, you don't win in either direction. However, if you remember, right,

00:15:32.880 it was just, I was only saying things cause I was failing. Yeah. It's weird how that's happened.

00:15:37.580 Yeah. Now, now you're now, uh, Glenn Beck staked out. This is from the Washington post.

00:15:43.060 Glenn Beck staked out principal ground against someone. I love this. Really? Now retroactive

00:15:48.300 admiration. Where, where, where was the principal ground support of Glenn Beck in 2016 for these

00:15:53.660 people? None. Uh, as someone who said, quote, he could be one of the most dangerous presidents to

00:15:59.300 ever come in the Oval Office. End quote. Yeah. He could have been, he hasn't been, he, he could be

00:16:07.880 in the future, but he hasn't been, uh, you know, when, when we had no evidence of what he would do

00:16:15.360 in office, uh, yeah, he could have been, I was very nervous based on his past performance.

00:16:22.880 He hasn't been, uh, after Trump's election, he pulled out Hitler comparisons saying he saw the

00:16:29.900 seeds of what happened in Germany in 1933. Still see them, see them in the Republican party,

00:16:34.660 see him in the democratic party, see them everywhere. If you're not seeing fascism,

00:16:39.240 communism on the horizon, uh, well, you're blind. You're blind. You can go any way, any direction

00:16:47.200 with any of these people. They call every Republican a Hitler every day. I know that's a problem.

00:16:52.380 Today, even as Trump has stoked racial divisions and split the country in a way Beck once decried.

00:16:58.520 No, I still decry that. I still think racial division is really bad. I still think the,

00:17:05.620 the way the president, you know, says things I'm like, Oh, please don't, don't say, please don't say

00:17:12.160 that. But look at the media. Trump is the one doing it. I know when you, when you're calling

00:17:18.520 literally every one of his supporters, if they support him a racist, yeah, who's stoking racist

00:17:23.660 divides. I mean, that's incredible. Uh, Beck now says if Trump loses in 2020, I think we're officially

00:17:30.440 at the end of the country as we know it. Yes. Yeah. Have you looked at the other side?

00:17:38.300 Have you looked at who the Democrats are running? Yeah. I think when they say, yeah,

00:17:44.860 we're going to get rid of the free market system, you know, and I'll just do executive

00:17:49.480 orders on the constitution. Sounds like the end of the Republic to me.

00:17:52.920 Hey, it's Glenn. And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray

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00:18:13.440 We have Robert. We have Robert Epstein. He is an author, editor, a longtime psychology researcher

00:18:18.860 and professor, distinguished scientist who is passionate about educating the public about

00:18:24.260 advances in mental health and behavioral sciences, former editor in chief of psychology today.

00:18:30.560 He is now the senior research psychologist at the American Institute for behavioral research

00:18:36.320 and technology and contributing editor for scientific American mind. Yeah. He sounds like a dope

00:18:43.420 and turning the crazy level up to 10. Dr. Robert Epstein. How are you, sir? 0.87

00:18:50.880 Well, it's been a rough couple of days, to be honest with you. Yeah.

00:18:55.300 So, I mean, here's a I mean, here's a group of people that you probably politically would agree

00:19:01.300 with more than not getting trashed by the person you voted for on Twitter.

00:19:07.460 Sure. Well, I think Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself. I mean, you know, I really

00:19:13.220 just gotten caught in the crossfire here between Trump and and Hillary. And, you know, the president

00:19:22.800 sometimes, as you know, his his tweets are not exactly entirely accurate.

00:19:28.120 And he did get a couple of things slightly wrong when I tweeted about my testimony before Congress,

00:19:37.000 which was in July. And so, yeah, I can tell you, you know, get what he did is slightly wrong.

00:19:44.060 But what Hillary did is reprehensible, especially since I've been a strong supporter of the Clintons

00:19:50.740 for 20 years. I mean, I have a signed letter from from Bill up above my desk here.

00:19:58.540 Wow. And what she did is is it's shameful. It's shameful. 0.98

00:20:02.900 What did she what did she do? What did she do? 1.00

00:20:06.520 Well, she was replying to to the president. President said that, according to some guy,

00:20:13.660 you know, some researcher, Google shifted between two point six and 16 million votes to

00:20:21.860 me in 2016. Well, I'm the researcher. Yes, I testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee

00:20:28.520 in, you know, in July. And yes, I gave estimates of between two point six and ten point four million,

00:20:37.620 not 16 million. And also Trump said that that that I said that Google manipulated the election.

00:20:46.020 I didn't have never said that. I said I found pro Clinton bias in their search results sufficient

00:20:54.060 to impact undecided voters in a way that would shift that many votes. I've never said they manipulated

00:21:03.340 the election. I found what I measured was the bias, which I mean, was indisputable.

00:21:09.980 Hillary replied to him saying that study has been debunked, which is absolutely false.

00:21:18.860 And then saying and the whole study was based on 21 voters. What I actually studied, what I actually

00:21:24.780 captured and analyzed, which no one has ever done before, is I captured 13,207 election related searches

00:21:34.460 on Google, Bing and Yahoo and the 98,000 web pages to which the search results linked. That's what allowed

00:21:44.140 me to measure the bias that people were seeing in search results. And there was substantial bias in

00:21:50.220 favor of Clinton, whom I supported in all 10 search positions on the first page of Google search results,

00:22:00.460 but not any bias in Bing or Yahoo. So, you know, I found the bias. And now, based on experiments that

00:22:10.140 I've been doing for six and a half years, I was able to estimate with that level of bias how many votes

00:22:17.980 could be shifted. I know that from, again, extensive experimental research, which now has involved

00:22:24.300 tens of thousands of participants, five national elections in four countries. I know precisely

00:22:31.260 how bias can shift opinions and votes. And that's where I got those numbers from. So, again, Trump got

00:22:39.820 things slightly wrong. But what Hillary did was outrageous. My research has never been debunked

00:22:46.620 at all. And then this slew of stories that have turned up. I mean, they're literally, I'm not

00:22:54.700 kidding you. There are hundreds of them all over the world. And a few unconservative sources basically

00:23:01.580 just kind of report the facts. And then all the mainstream sources are basically saying,

00:23:08.380 uh, I'm incompetent, which I've never been accused of being my whole career. Uh, that, uh, again,

00:23:16.300 this is my study was debunked, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it's, it's terrifying that, that, that,

00:23:22.780 you know, there could be so much bad information out there. This is, this is, it is, I think this is why

00:23:30.300 we are, uh, things are slowing down, not towards socialism, uh, not even towards nationalism. Those,

00:23:37.500 I think are going to speed up still. Uh, but the, the mob mentality that you have to be all in on

00:23:44.300 somebody or you're a traitor, I think that is actually starting to swing back to a normal kind of,

00:23:50.860 uh, feeling because average people are feeling what people like I have felt and others like tea party,

00:23:57.640 we have been feeling this for about 10 years and it is terrifying. Me too. It is a, it's a,

00:24:05.160 a good goal. It's a terrifying, um, witch hunt. And, and you don't, where do you go to get your

00:24:14.020 reputation back? Bob, where do you go? I don't know. And, and, you know, you know, and what I,

00:24:19.760 what I really accomplished in 2016 was setting up the first ever monitoring system, uh, to see what

00:24:27.080 big tech companies were showing people. No one's ever done that before because text power, uh, to

00:24:33.480 shift opinions and votes and purchases and attitudes and beliefs around the world derives from, uh, what

00:24:39.960 they internally call ephemeral experiences like search results. They, they're generated on the fly.

00:24:46.860 They have an impact on your thinking. They disappear. They're gone. They're not stored anywhere.

00:24:51.080 That's called an ephemeral experience. That's what Google, Google people call it. And it's

00:24:56.240 extremely powerful in shifting votes and opinions. Uh, I've shown in multiple experiments and, you

00:25:03.000 know, published in peer reviewed journals, you can easily shift 20% or more of undecided voters up to

00:25:09.720 80% in some. So how are they, how, how would they do that if they are doing it? How would that happen?

00:25:17.100 Explain that to the, the average person who has not heard this before. Okay. First of all,

00:25:23.700 it can happen just because they're not paying attention to their algorithm and the, and their

00:25:28.720 algorithm of course, always puts one dog food ahead of the other and, you know, one vacation spot ahead

00:25:34.840 of the other and one candidate ahead of the other. It has no equal time rule built into it. And once it,

00:25:41.880 it puts one candidate ahead of the other, then that starts to have a dramatic impact on undecided voters.

00:25:49.540 And as more undecided voters shift, the bias in search results gets stronger, that shifts more

00:25:57.800 undecided voters, et cetera, et cetera. It's a bandwagon effect, what I call a digital bandwagon

00:26:03.600 effect. And I've measured these things very precisely. And again, 2016 was a, was a tremendous

00:26:09.700 milestone year for us because we actually built a Nielsen type system to look over people's shoulders

00:26:17.720 with their permission and see what these companies were showing them. Then we built a bigger system

00:26:22.640 in 2018. And in 2020, we're trying to raise the money to build a much bigger monitoring system,

00:26:28.880 because you will never know why the next presidential candidate wins unless there has been extensive

00:26:37.620 monitoring of all this ephemeral stuff, news feeds, email suppression, shadow banning,

00:26:44.980 search suggestions, search results, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm the only person in the world

00:26:51.020 who's ever built such systems. And we have to have these systems, or we will not understand

00:26:57.520 what is going on and who, why somebody won or lost an election.

00:27:03.320 All right. So, so Dr. Robert Epstein, senior research psychologist, American Institute for

00:27:09.760 Behavior Research and Technology. He is talking about Google and these algorithms that are changing

00:27:16.280 the way we behave, the way we look, the way we think all underground and how they have impact our

00:27:22.360 elections. Is it mygoogleresearch.com where people could donate if they wanted to donate?

00:27:29.280 Yes. And yes, I'm glad. And you have been more helpful to me in that regard than just about

00:27:35.160 anybody. You've actually raised, without you knowing, just because you keep giving out that

00:27:39.200 link, you've raised a lot of money for this research.

00:27:42.440 I want you to know that I believe this is one of the most important things that we can do.

00:27:49.020 You are, you are actually, and I think you'll agree with this, you're actually way behind where

00:27:54.260 you should be, but you're, you are light years ahead of anyone else on the planet. Would you agree

00:28:00.020 with that? Positively. And I've been slaughtered now by mainstream media, which is my media. That's

00:28:08.440 my media. I'm not a conservative. This is an incredible story. Okay. We have some,

00:28:14.420 some detailed questions. And then I want to talk to you a little bit about, um, uh, what Google may be

00:28:19.840 doing, um, not only during this election, but also, uh, with ice. We'll get into that. I'd just

00:28:27.420 like to pick your brain on, on theories. If you had any, um, you can donate. And I urge you, I urge

00:28:34.620 you in the strongest of terms, if you have money that you can donate five bucks or, you know, a hundred

00:28:43.060 thousand dollars that you would consider this, uh, project, there is nothing more important than

00:28:49.680 getting your arms around the algorithms at Google, my Google research.com, my Google research.com.

00:28:57.440 Every day. It seems somebody pops up in my world. Like what Dr. Robert Epstein just said, uh, this is

00:29:05.820 wait, they've turned the guns on me. Yeah. And this is my side. Oh, look at what they turned the guns on

00:29:10.660 here. Peer review. Yeah. Now peer review doesn't matter. I thought that was the end all be all.

00:29:15.580 We're supposed to now peer review those studies. They're gone. How about, um, the fact that all

00:29:19.500 of a sudden we're supposed to trust gigantic companies making decisions for us. I mean,

00:29:23.360 I thought this was the exact opposite of what the left wanted. You know what, you want companies

00:29:26.880 controlling all this information? Well, it benefits them in this particular moment. Ignoring peer review

00:29:31.940 benefits them in this particular moment. So they'll take out a guy who voted for them,

00:29:36.900 which doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Apparently he's garbage now.

00:29:40.840 It's really horrible. Reprehensible. I urge you to donate at my Google research.com. 1.00

00:29:46.340 Okay. Um, may I call you Bob or Robert? Robert, if you like, sure. Robert. Um, so Robert, we have

00:29:54.120 some questions. We, we went through the vanity fair article and if you read this article, if that's the

00:29:59.260 way you were doing the research, it's crazy. It's crazy. Would you agree with that? I, I, I did. I can't

00:30:07.180 even read these things. There are hundreds of them. Okay. So we're going to, we're going to go

00:30:10.660 through it piece by piece and you just tell us, is this how you do it? If not, tell us how you do

00:30:15.520 do it. Go ahead. The first accusation in here, uh, Robert is they basically say that the reason

00:30:21.440 why you're going after Google is because you have a vendetta against them because in 2012,

00:30:26.520 they warned visitors to your website that it had been hacked and serving malware to people

00:30:32.400 who are reading it. Okay. I have no vendetta against Google. I am probably Google's biggest admirer

00:30:39.300 in the world. Uh, I have friends at Google. Uh, yes, I, my website was hacked in 2012 as everyone's

00:30:47.020 is eventually. Uh, and, and I got notified of this by Google and that caught my eye. I said,

00:30:54.800 why is Google notifying me and not a government agency or a nonprofit organization? And then as

00:31:01.020 a programmer, I get intrigued too, because Google was now blocking access to my website, not just

00:31:07.400 through Google.com or through Chrome, which they own, but even through Safari, even through Firefox,

00:31:12.460 which is, you know, a nonprofit run browser. And I got curious, but how is that happening? How can

00:31:18.840 that be? How can Google block you through, you know, Apple Safari? And so I started to kind of just

00:31:24.720 look at Google more seriously. I have a vendetta against them. That's absurd. And then later that

00:31:31.040 year, there was research, uh, the early marketing research on the power of search rankings, uh, that

00:31:37.080 the power that search rankings have to influence people's clicks and purchases. And that, that made

00:31:43.400 me think, well, if that's true, then maybe, uh, search results could be used to shift opinions or even

00:31:51.920 shift voting preferences. And so I started my first series of experiments looking at that.

00:31:56.500 And it is, it is not like, it's not like you're Glenn Beck doing this. You are the former editor

00:32:02.180 in chief of psychology today. You are also the senior research psychologist of the American

00:32:07.880 Institute for behavioral research and technology. Your job revolves around how people make decisions

00:32:15.880 and what causes people to behave in certain ways. So of course you would be curious about this.

00:32:22.240 Of course you would investigate it because this is probably, I think in correct me if I'm, if I'm

00:32:28.260 wrong, doctor, but I believe that in maybe five years, but in the next 10 years, we're going to have

00:32:34.300 to have a serious discussion on, on if you actually have free will because of what they're doing in

00:32:42.480 nudging and, and how they will use and manipulate data.

00:32:46.280 Well, we're, we're, we're past that, uh, Glenn, uh, you know, in, in, in looking at, at, uh, Hillary's,

00:32:54.940 uh, horrendous, uh, tweet, uh, attacking me and, and telling blatant lies about me. I mean,

00:33:02.300 we're way past that point of, of, uh, having any free will left because you have to understand Hillary's 0.67

00:33:08.740 tweet by understanding how dependent she has been for years and years for votes and money from

00:33:16.100 Google. Google was her largest, uh, donor. Her, her, her chief technology officer, Stephanie

00:33:22.600 Hannon was a former Google executive. I mean, I could go on and on and on and on about that

00:33:27.040 relationship. And she got that information that she tweeted from Google.

00:33:36.000 Wow.

00:33:36.600 That's a great point.

00:33:38.060 Wow.

00:33:38.340 It's a little, a little circuitous. There's a little, there's a little bit of incestual feeling

00:33:44.960 here to some of this. Um, we, uh, do you have a yes or no question? We have about 35, 40 seconds.

00:33:50.840 Yeah. I mean, I don't think we can get into any of those in 30 seconds. Okay. So we want to get

00:33:54.740 into a couple more though. A couple more. And then I want to ask you, I don't know if you saw this,

00:33:58.420 that the, the Google employees yesterday, they don't have a problem with China apparently,

00:34:02.160 but Google employees were protesting in front of Google. They want them to stop helping and working

00:34:08.460 with ice and the border patrol. And my first question, uh, was wait, what is Google doing

00:34:18.200 with ice? And are they providing information to the government? Because I don't think that's kind

00:34:25.660 of in the game plan for anybody. Is it? This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:34:43.600 Like listening to this podcast. If you're not a subscriber, become one now on iTunes. And while

00:34:48.920 you're there, do us a favor and rate the show. A man who began his journalism career

00:34:54.180 in the Bombay based Indian express newspaper group. I don't even know how you would go about

00:35:00.400 doing that. Kevin Williamson is here. Hello, Kevin. How are you?

00:35:04.060 It helps to have a friend in college whose family lives there and, uh,

00:35:06.660 really introduce you to some people. Yeah. So I ended up there. Okay. I didn't know the first

00:35:09.720 thing about it. So you were, uh, you were a, uh, you started there in Bombay. Yeah.

00:35:14.340 Had you ever been to Bombay? I'd never been outside of the United States except for Mexican border

00:35:18.700 towns growing up in Texas. Yeah. So it's a little different than Texas, the U S or Mexico.

00:35:24.180 Yeah. Um, you know, when I got there, um, no one even knew what the population of Bombay was at

00:35:28.980 that point in the nineties, because it was such a crazy chaotic place. They thought maybe 20 million,

00:35:32.960 maybe 25 million. It was a, but it's a great place to be a newspaper guy because everyone

00:35:37.080 read newspapers there. You know, typical household would get four or five newspapers a day. So

00:35:40.840 wow. Tremendously fun place to, uh, start a newspaper. Yeah. And then you became a theater

00:35:45.160 critic. Uh, some years later. Yeah. When I was living in New York, I wrote the theater column

00:35:49.080 for the new criterion for a while. But aren't you, I mean, don't you have to be an old cantankerous

00:35:54.460 bitter man to do that? Or are, are you, I've been an old cantankerous bitter man since I was about 0.82

00:36:00.240 11. And, uh, so I, I'm kind of growing into it. Okay. Yeah. Your body is starting to catch up

00:36:07.020 with your mind. Unfortunately, I've been waiting for my hair to turn gray for years. Yeah. Don't wish

00:36:12.180 for that. Cause I, I always wanted my hair cause everybody in my family by 30, they're white.

00:36:17.140 Yeah. And it took me to 50 and now, and I was like, well, everybody's got the great white hair.

00:36:22.340 And now I have it. And I'm like, good God, you look like you're a thousand years old. Um, all right.

00:36:27.820 So, um, you've written, you've written a new book, the smallest minority by borderline unpublishable

00:36:34.620 angry profane book. Uh, so I, um, I just, I, you can't read from this book on the radio. Oh yes.

00:36:40.980 There's one paragraph, there's one paragraph that I'm, I'm not going to read, but I'd like

00:36:46.160 you to read, uh, because it is one of the greatest screeds of all time. Oh no, I don't

00:36:54.240 know if I can find it here. It was, uh, you describing, you describing people, uh, uh, that

00:37:05.860 you, you know, you had a, Oh shoot. Where is that? Uh, Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here

00:37:10.040 it is. Uh, pick it up right here. Um, let's see. It's like testimony. You're like, actually,

00:37:15.460 did you write this? Everyone knows I'm a monster. Can I give this book to you? Do everyone 0.62

00:37:20.360 I know my own work. Do everyone I, uh, to a monster to the end of that paragraph on the

00:37:25.560 next page. I would much rather you read it. No, no, no. I would not. It's got words in

00:37:29.820 it. I can't pronounce. It's strange to read your own work. No, it's not. Um, this is like

00:37:34.020 when you got to read it the way you meant it too. Well, um, I should sometime tell you the

00:37:39.360 sentences that got left out. They edited this thing? Are you saying? Oh man, you wouldn't

00:37:44.780 believe the original version of this book. Oh my gosh. This is after edits. This is the

00:37:49.860 boulderized version. Oh my gosh. Because this is the first paragraph. Listen to this. So

00:37:54.760 it starts, everyone knows I'm a monster. And by everybody, I mean all good, decent, serious

00:37:59.060 newspaper analog reading people. And by all good, decent, serious newspaper analog reading

00:38:03.160 people, I mean you sad, atavistic, masturbatory specimens out there in the woolly wilds of 0.99

00:38:07.800 America. By which I mean you put pounding nobodies in Brooklyn or Gaiman, Oklahoma, depending on 0.99

00:38:12.460 your tribe. Obsessively following intra-media squabbles on social media, cheering for what

00:38:16.880 you imagine to be your side, like a bunch of marginally employed and past their time NFL

00:38:21.300 cheering leg tattooed douche rockets at some ghastly exorbitant sports bar, and enjoying

00:38:26.180 a nice bottle of the warm and comforting illusion of solidarity as though Tom Brady or Le'Veon 0.96

00:38:30.360 Bell would have taken a voluminous equine piss on you from a great height if you were smoldering 0.91

00:38:35.200 crackling on the sidelines like a sizzling plate of Kansas City burn-out. 0.89

00:38:39.860 No, the question is, that would have taken me a week to write that. That is just brilliant.

00:38:47.020 How long did that take you to write? Did that just pour out?

00:38:49.700 That was as long as it did to read.

00:38:51.860 So, okay, funny thing about this book is, you know, it's got a bunch of footnotes in it.

00:38:56.280 Yeah. And most of the book is sort of halfway like a normal political book. And then the

00:39:01.940 footnotes, which are about maybe a quarter of the book, are the kind of running commentary

00:39:06.680 of what I'm actually thinking as I write this stuff. And the footnotes were the part that

00:39:10.840 were problematic for some of the editors, I think. There are a few of them that didn't

00:39:15.820 make it in. I'll, I'll share with you off. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you could share in our

00:39:19.160 podcast. Yeah. I don't think I can even share on your podcast. Really? Wow. Did you think

00:39:23.880 that it would go in or you were just like, I don't care? I figured I would just give it

00:39:26.980 a shot. You know, um, Regnery, I like working with Regnery, but when they put out the press

00:39:31.360 release for this book, they called it, you know, hilarious and profane. This was before

00:39:34.580 the book was done. Yeah. I figured if they're going to put profane in the press release,

00:39:37.560 that's license, right? That's right. I can do what I want. Right. Right. And you did.

00:39:41.780 Kinda. Yeah. Yeah. And you did. So, so take me, take me through it. I'm going to, we're

00:39:47.300 going to talk about it. We're going to do a podcast, uh, today for a broadcast in a couple

00:39:51.400 of weeks, but, and, and we'll go through all of it, but take me through the, the premise

00:39:56.740 of the, uh, of the book. Yeah. I started writing. And don't leave out any of the, uh, acerbic

00:40:02.560 or. I started writing the book in, in 2015 after, you know, witnessing a number of these

00:40:07.460 dumb, you know, kind of Twitter mob freak outs. The, uh, a lot of them weren't really

00:40:10.960 exactly political or political people. I, you know, the Justine Sacco business and

00:40:14.380 the, uh, guy getting canned from Google and all that. And, um, there was something

00:40:19.280 to me that seemed weird and, uh, kind of ritualistic about this stuff. It was a kind

00:40:23.560 of public ceremony. It wasn't really something that was about the issues that it pretended

00:40:27.980 to be about. And so I wrote part of the book at that time and a book proposal and I sent

00:40:32.020 it around and nobody wanted it. And then a couple of years later, I went to work for the

00:40:35.820 Atlantic for three days and got fired. And my phone started to ring before I got to

00:40:39.680 the airport literally. And I was waiting on the plane to come home to Texas. And, uh,

00:40:44.340 people were suddenly interested in the book. So go figure. Um, it's an ill will, an ill

00:40:49.920 wind that blows me no some good. But, um, so the book is about, um, some of the social

00:40:56.820 and political reasons for why people have become so hysterical and theatrical in terms

00:41:03.240 of their political engagement. And what I really ultimately argue is it's not really

00:41:06.340 about politics. It's that people have a certain emptiness in their lives in a sense that they

00:41:11.400 lack connectedness and, um, these media mob phenomenon and social media, you know, this

00:41:17.660 kind of performative theatrical hysterical politics gives them a false sense of having

00:41:22.900 being involved in something important. It gives them a sense that they've been involved

00:41:27.580 in something meaningful when they're not. Um, but it, it, it kind of feels good. And so

00:41:31.880 people go to it in this weird, addictive, compulsive way. So it's not really politics

00:41:36.080 that's happening on Twitter. It's this weird, embarrassing public group therapy session.

00:41:40.160 And that's essentially what the book is about.

00:41:42.000 So, um, it, it, but it is, it's being used by politics.

00:41:46.860 Sure. Yeah. Um, we just had, I said to Stu almost every day now I meet somebody, uh, and

00:41:54.200 usually now from the other side that is, has just been affected, lost their job, lost their

00:41:59.660 credit. We just had a really brilliant, uh, psychiatrist on with us a few, a few minutes

00:42:04.280 ago. And he, he's now being targeted by Google and Clinton who he voted for.

00:42:10.260 Yeah. He's a fan of, of Google. I mean, he has respect for Google. Um, and, and Clinton,

00:42:17.020 he said, I've, I've got a letter from Bill Clinton hanging above my desk and now they're

00:42:22.260 taking me out and saying that I'm a monster.

00:42:24.080 Yeah. Um, there's a bit in Coriolanus about that, how, you know, you're the favorite one

00:42:28.160 day and the villain the next day. And that's, that seems to be the case of it. Um, one of

00:42:31.680 the things I get into the book a lot is the emergence of that very thing of the use of

00:42:35.220 employment as a weapon of political coercion. And I think that's a really interesting, um,

00:42:40.320 subject to follow up on because this phenomenon of, uh, demand for homogeneity and conformity

00:42:46.340 is not really so much a problem for people like you or me. I mean, we're in the, in the

00:42:50.100 controversy business. It's what we do. Uh, you know, maybe you lose an advertiser here

00:42:53.940 and then maybe you lose a gig here or there, but you know, that's kind of what we do. It's

00:42:57.880 a much, much bigger problem if you're someone who's trying to manage a Starbucks in Philadelphia

00:43:01.100 and you're going to lose your job because you're enforcing company policy, but it becomes this

00:43:05.200 viral, uh, Twitter phenomenon. Or if you're a programmer at Google or you're someone who

00:43:09.400 works at a bank or you're someone who's a hairdresser and make examples of these people

00:43:14.200 and that kind of, you know, psychic terrorism is effective. And now people know just not to voice

00:43:19.380 opinions in the first place. If they're any way afraid that it might be unpopular or

00:43:23.500 nonconforming. I will tell you, I think that, um, I would have agreed with you just a few 0.92

00:43:29.660 years ago, but I believe my voice and I didn't feel this way at Fox. Okay. And they were coming

00:43:36.100 after me like crazy. I do believe my voice could be silenced. I could be erased now from

00:43:41.700 history and just not, you just gone. You think? Yeah, you don't. I think you, well, not to flatter you,

00:43:48.980 but you sell an awful lot of books and have an awful lot of listeners. I think it'd be hard

00:43:51.960 to do that. Um, but a lot of that, and I think maybe, um, we remind the, the, the Navy SEALs

00:43:58.380 when they turn dark and they're working for the corporations and come to get me at night.

00:44:02.600 But a lot of this stuff, when it comes to people like you though, I think, I think you saw this

00:44:06.060 really in the Roseanne Barr case where the public Twitter mob phenomenon is really a pretext for

00:44:11.880 things that are going on inside the company. You know, no one at ABC is making multimillion dollar

00:44:17.480 programming decisions based on what at Caitlin three, two, one vegan on Twitter has to say

00:44:23.900 about, you know, Roseanne Barr. Right. Right. Um, I didn't lose my job at the Atlantic because

00:44:30.020 people were freaking out on Twitter. I lost my job at the Atlantic because of things that were going on

00:44:33.680 on staff and in the company. And, uh, that tends to be the case, I think more for people like us.

00:44:38.620 And you've seen this in the, in the positive outcomes too, with, uh, I'll say a kind word for

00:44:42.960 the New York times, which has had several of its writers and people targeted in this way. And they

00:44:47.520 said, no, we're the New York times. We hire who we like, and we're going to keep Brett Stevens on

00:44:50.240 the staff and they don't like it. Yeah. That's the way premier radio is. That's a reason why we're

00:44:53.980 still on radio is because of I heart is an amazing company that just is like, I don't care where I

00:45:00.960 don't care. We'll put any voice on. And as long as they don't lose our license and they're generally

00:45:06.300 responsible, we don't care what their opinion is. We'll put them on. And we don't care what the mob

00:45:12.420 says. Yeah. And it's going to be up to institutions to stand up to this kind of thing. Uh, because,

00:45:16.940 you know, individuals, even, you know, ones that have some outlet like I do, um, really rely on

00:45:21.540 institutions to, to be the ones who are going to stand and run guard on this. But that's what I

00:45:25.300 mean. I think that, you know, you could erase because Google is quickly becoming every outlet,

00:45:32.280 right? It's becoming the, I mean, if you're not with Google, you're not around. And that's one of

00:45:37.560 the misunderstood things about this, you know, like that, that freak out about James Damore at Google

00:45:41.200 was not about some nobody programmer that no one cares about. It was about Google. It's not about,

00:45:46.700 we can get this fired. It's, we can make Google jump when we say jump. And we can make Facebook

00:45:50.540 jump when we say jump. And we can make the New York Times rewrite a headline when we said the

00:45:54.000 New York Times is going to rewrite a headline. So that the people involved in this who, you know,

00:45:57.860 get fired or otherwise are really just sort of instruments. They're, they're props for this,

00:46:02.420 this great active theater. It's more about controlling the institutions. And that's where institutions

00:46:07.060 really have to stand up for themselves. And that's the shame of particularly the university

00:46:10.340 culture, where you've got a bunch of academics who depend on intellectual honesty and intellectual

00:46:16.020 freedom, but will not stand up for it in their own institutions.

00:46:18.320 So I'd like to, may I change the subjects a bit here, Kevin, with you and go to red flagging.

00:46:22.880 Sure.

00:46:23.360 Uh, I just got a, uh, a listener sent in a, uh, uh, uh, fundraising piece from a, uh, a senator in,

00:46:34.920 uh, uh, where was it? Pennsylvania that was making the case that we must have red flagging.

00:46:44.580 Your thoughts on what's happening?

00:46:46.900 I don't understand the basic case for red flag laws. So David French at National Review and I've

00:46:51.340 debated about this a little bit on the corner. Um, I kind of distrust the, the, the whole premise

00:46:55.760 of it, but what's used as the, as the example is that we have these laws for involuntarily committing

00:47:01.280 people, uh, for mental care when they seem to present an immediate threat to themselves or

00:47:06.340 others. And there's a process there by which a judge and a doctor involved, and we've got this way of

00:47:10.580 doing it. So they want to use that as the basis of the red flags laws or the red flag law. I think

00:47:16.200 that ought to be the red flag law, that if you think someone actually is a danger to himself

00:47:20.560 or someone else, rather than messing around with whether this person can buy a gun, uh,

00:47:25.220 then we should probably, you know, ensure that this person is under, is under, is under

00:47:28.580 mental health care. So I think to that extent, we've already got the red flag law that we need

00:47:32.640 and people will say, well, it's, it's, it's very onerous and it's hard to get through this

00:47:36.240 process and it's hard to do. It should be. Yeah, exactly. That's how we want it. We're talking

00:47:40.140 about the bill of rights here. And, um, I'm, I'm always pretty queasy about the idea of suspending

00:47:46.020 anyone's civil rights, uh, when they haven't been charged with a crime or convicted of a crime or

00:47:50.680 even arrested for a crime. We're taking, look, if, if somebody comes in and if I, you know, I come in

00:47:56.360 in the day and I say, I got pop tarts in my pants. I had pop tarts in my pants and I'm eating pop tarts

00:48:02.340 from my pants. You might say, Glenn, you might, you know what, why don't you take the day off?

00:48:07.020 You might call Tanya and say, he might need to see a doctor. Um, but if I'm coming in with a gun or I'm

00:48:12.940 dangerous, then you might call police and I should be taken to the doctor and a doctor and a judge

00:48:18.700 should decide with my wife. If maybe I, you know, have more than pop tarts, uh, I may have guns and 1.00

00:48:24.280 maybe that's a danger. That's the way you deal with it. What they're trying to do is with this

00:48:29.800 red flag law, nobody will take it that far. Nobody will take it that far, but I I'm telling you right 0.96

00:48:37.540 now. You can't tell me that there aren't a lot of people who have been divorced that in that divorce

00:48:44.760 proceeding, somebody might say, you know what, man, he's dangerous and he's got a lot of guns.

00:48:50.660 Yeah. One other thing about having been a small town newspaper editor is you spend a lot of time

00:48:54.720 reading court records of those very things, you know, divorce cases, custody cases and stuff like

00:48:59.080 that. And you're probably half of the death threats I ever got in my life were, uh, editing a

00:49:04.500 small town newspaper and writing a DUI story about some guy who was in a custody dispute with his

00:49:08.540 wife and thinks he's going to lose his kids, uh, because this thing comes up and the sorts of

00:49:13.300 accusations that are made in those situations tend to be often irresponsible. And there's not much of

00:49:18.440 a downside for doing it. We don't really retaliate against people for that sort of thing. I, um, don't

00:49:23.820 have as much faith as a lot of conservatives do in the law enforcement and prosecutorial apparatus.

00:49:28.820 Although I think that the prosecutors are a bigger problem than the police officers are for the most part.

00:49:33.600 Yeah. And I don't really trust them with the power they already have and to give them additional

00:49:39.840 power on top of that to essentially make an end run around the bill of rights. Um, you know,

00:49:45.300 I'm going to take some convincing on that. Yeah. I'm going to take a little convincing.

00:49:48.920 But I don't think, I don't think a lot of America's needing a lot of convincing.

00:49:52.440 The really maddening thing about this is that, um, you know, if you look at say the U S attorney's

00:49:57.000 office for, for Illinois, they will not prosecute a straw buyer case. They just won't. Uh,

00:50:01.440 they don't think it's worth their time unless it's part of a big organized crime investigation.

00:50:04.740 The current conviction rate for, uh, illegal handgun cases in the Chicago area is about 14%.

00:50:11.100 Um, we've got laws on the books that we ought to be enforcing. We really ought to be going

00:50:15.840 after straw buyers. We ought to be going after people for minor weapons charges before they 0.99

00:50:20.020 become homicides. Um, we've got a lot of things that we could be doing on this front that we just

00:50:24.580 simply refuse to do because law enforcement is basically lazy. Um, if you look, all of our gun

00:50:29.960 control proposals are targeted at licensed gun dealers and the people who do business with them.

00:50:36.020 They've got addresses and business hours and records. They're really easy to police.

00:50:40.060 Whereas guys who are selling, you know, Glocks out of the trunk of their car off the interstate 1.00

00:50:43.820 somewhere are a lot harder to catch. All right. More with Kevin Williamson in

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The Glenn Beck Program - August 21, 2019

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Dr. Robert Epstein & Kevin Williamson ｜ 8⧸21⧸19

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