Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Ezra Levant & Artur Pawlowski ｜ 10⧸19⧸21
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Summary
The First Amendment is on the ropes in Canada. Pastor Arthur Pawlowski has been ordered to read a government-drafted script every time he criticizes the government. Ezra Levant explains why this is happening and why it is so disturbing.
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Great show. Really, I mean, you know, we get into the mask mandates.
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And good for the kids, too. We get into that a little bit.
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Also, what the federal government did on Friday with the banks and how it affects you.
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This is information you're not going to get anyplace else and is really critically important.
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Today, you don't want to miss a second of the podcast.
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We in America have something called the First Amendment, and it is on the ropes.
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But I want to show you a glimpse of what happens when you don't have the First Amendment.
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Canada is we've always looked at Canada as like a little mini America, and it is really, truly becoming that.
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We are becoming much more like Canada, and we are not standing for the Bill of Rights.
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Ezra Levant is with us. He is the founder of Rebel News and the host of the Ezra Levant Show.
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He brought a big Canadian story to my attention, and I want him to tell you the story.
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I have to tell you, I have some bad news since we last communicated.
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Yesterday, another Christian pastor was arrested in the province of Manitoba.
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Another Christian pastor was jailed in the province of New Brunswick.
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We're almost at 10 Christian pastors who have been jailed.
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They simply opened their churches during the lockdown.
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We're coming up on 10 pastors who have been imprisoned.
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And the worst case is the other fellow who's about to join us, Pastor Arthur Pawlowski.
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Not only has he been jailed, but now a court has ordered him that whenever he says something contrary to government policy,
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whether it's in a church sermon or in the media or on Twitter or Facebook,
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he must immediately read a government-drafted script rebutting and rebuking and disclaiming himself.
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He must denounce himself immediately after criticizing the government on lockdowns.
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It's incredible to believe, but a court has ordered that.
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Can you just read what you're supposed to say every time you speak?
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Well, pretty much what he is ordering me to say is that masks do work,
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that majority of the medical profession agree that social distancing works,
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You know, the typical two-year right now bombardment left and right that we are receiving straight from
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As you can tell, I grew up behind the Iron Curtain under the boots of the Soviets.
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I've seen those show trials on television when I was growing up where an individual would be brought before the justice system,
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And he was commanded somewhere in the middle of the trial to read the script telling how amazing socialism is,
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And that's exactly what we're seeing right now in Canada, compelled speech, just like in China, Soviet Russia, North Korea.
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I mean, it's unbelievable what is happening to him, free and democratic society.
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You have also been sentenced to, I think, 21 days in prison and told you could not travel until 2023.
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You see, I spent four months in your beautiful country, touring around and talking at different conferences,
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different political parties, rallies, and churches.
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And the judge was observing, the government here was observing what I was doing.
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And because of this amazing response that I received all over the country, I would speak to 10,000, 15,000 people,
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the judge and the government is so terrified of the popularity that I have gained that he is banning me.
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I'm a prisoner, political prisoner, in the province of Alberta for 18 months.
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He is not allowing me to leave my province for a year and a half.
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You might find what Pastor Arthur says hard to believe.
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And I want to let you know that we've put the 12-page court ruling on a website, firethejudge.com.
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The judge is outraged by two things, by three things that Pastor Arthur did.
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He's outraged that he's opened the church, okay?
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But he specifically rages that Pastor Arthur warned other churches in America he's been tracking Pastor Arthur.
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He saw that Pastor Arthur met with a governor and had a selfie.
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He specifically rages against that in the ruling.
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I'll ban him from leaving the jurisdiction for 18 months.
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And then he says, well, Pastor Arthur went on Fox News and spoke to millions of Americans.
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If I have him forced to stay in the jurisdiction, he can still do media interviews.
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I will require him to self-denounce after every public utterance.
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And if he does not do these two things, back to jail he goes.
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But the judge actually wrote out, handwrote this script that Pastor Arthur must say.
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You can find the 12-page ruling at firethejudge.com.
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Where's the media who should support freedom of speech, should support the right to disagree?
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Pastor, are you going to get in trouble for being on this program?
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Well, you see, the reality of my life right now is just like behind the Iron Curtain.
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Right now, actually, I am living behind the Iron Curtain in Canada.
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And I can be arrested, handcuffed, thrown in prison as we speak right now.
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Because since the ruling last Wednesday, I am obliged, commanded by the state and the corrupted judge to recite a party line.
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And, of course, I'm not part of the Communist Party of Canada.
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And, by the way, they have CNN reporters for that and CBC reporters for that.
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I can be arrested at any moment right now since last Wednesday when he pronounced that ruling.
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You know, Stolz Nietzsche, who I know you're aware of, wrote, I think it was Live Not By Lies, something like that.
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And he said that's the one thing that all Soviet citizens can do to push back is to not repeat the lies, not to sit for them, not to if you're hearing them, you get up and walk out.
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You're not to sit in your church, you're not to sit in your office when they say, hey, you have to do this, you have to do that, you have to say white people are racist.
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Whatever it is that you do not believe is true, you must get up, walk out, be polite, and just say, I'm not standing for this because these things are lies.
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And the most important thing is what you just said.
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I'm not going to say what they want me to say because it's not true.
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Here's a beautiful quote that really touched my heart in the past week from George R.R. Martin.
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When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar.
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You're only telling the word that you fear what he might say.
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This case, this sham of a court ruling, and it is just a show trial trying to force free Canadians to bow, to take a knee before a totalitarian medical tyranny.
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And I just simply, as a pastor, as a Christian, refuse to do it.
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They can lock me up, but my imprisonment, my political imprisonment, will yell even louder from the jail cell until, hopefully, Canadians will wake up.
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And I hope that great American eagle will rise up again, start flapping its wings, and come to the rescue.
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You came to rescue Europe during the first and the second war.
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I think we'd be better off putting our eggs in the God basket than the America basket, because I don't see America doing much.
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I mean, that's a huge, powerful pressure on those crooks.
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There is also a complaint that you can launch against this judge that will go to the commission.
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So you can go over there if you want to directly help us.
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But, you know, what I do, I feed thousands of people on the streets of Calgary.
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People can go to www.streetchurch.ca, and they can support us to do what we want to do.
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We just want to be left alone and feed the poor, clothe the sick, you know, heal the sick, and clothe the naked.
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And we have a halfway housing as well for the homeless people.
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I'm not a politician, according, you know, to their standards.
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I want to do what God is telling me to do, to preach the gospel, feed the poor, and be left alone from a totalitarian regime.
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But it looks like they don't want to give me that courtesy.
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If people want to be part of that, they can go to our website, www.streetchurch.ca.
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Ezra, thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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I believe you've shown more interest in this case from a civil liberties point of view, unfortunately, than any Canadian journalist has.
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Is there anyone in Canada that is looking like they're waking up to this?
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Every government and opposition, every corporate media, every law professor, every judge, every college of physicians and surgeons, they're unanimous on the other side.
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Why do they need Pastor Arthur to say what every other voice is saying?
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Does this judge really think that we haven't heard the dominant narrative on the lockdown?
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It's not that people haven't heard the message and they need to hear it from Pastor Arthur.
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It's all about making Pastor Arthur bend the knee and bow down to the new priesthood, the new superstition.
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And it's not about, it is about breaking his spirit and making him put the government atop everything else.
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That's why they're demanding he renounce himself.
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I'm at firethejudge.com now and they have the actual full document.
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And so he has three days in prison, which was fully satisfied.
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He is going to be placed on 18 months probation.
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He must remain in the province of Alberta during this period of probation unless he obtains the consent of his probation officer.
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And then what he talked about, I mean, it's right here in black and white.
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The final term of his probation order will be that he is exercising his right of free speech against health orders.
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He must indicate his communications in the following.
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I am also aware that the views I am expressing to you on this occasion may not be the views held by the majority of medical experts in Alberta.
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While I may disagree with them, I am obliged to inform you that the majority of medical experts favor social distancing, mask wearing, and avoiding large crowds to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
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Most medical experts also support participation in a vaccination program unless for a valid religious or medical reason you cannot be vaccinated.
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Vaccinations have been shown statistically to save lives to reduce the severity of COVID-19 symptoms.
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I mean, they literally wrote a script for this guy to have to read every time he speaks publicly.
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I told you 10 years ago, chaos would be the operative word when you stopped recognizing your country.
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You would see it fall into chaos, and there would be agents of chaos, people that would do anything they could to create more chaos.
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And it seems as though the government of the United States and some state governors and state agencies are adding to the chaos.
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When you say we're going to defund the police, you're adding to the chaos.
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It doesn't do anyone, especially at the lowest rungs of the ladder, any good to defund the police.
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How many cops are being lost now because of this?
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We have in Chicago, the mayor of Chicago says that the police union just opposing the city's vaccine mandate is trying to induce an insurrection.
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Well, Robert LeMay has been on the police force.
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He's actually been a Washington State Patrolman for 22 years.
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Washington State Patrol Commercial Vehicle Division Trooper of the Year in 2007, 2008, 2009.
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He is a remarkable guy now leaving because of the mandate.
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And here's what his sign off sounded like at the end of his final shift on Sunday.
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This is my final sign off after 22 years of serving the citizens of the state of Washington.
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Numerous fatalities, injuries, I've worked sick, I've played sick, we've buried lots of friends over these years.
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I'd like to thank the citizens of Yakima County as well as my fellow officers within the valley.
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Without you guys, I wouldn't have been very successful.
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And you've kept me safe and got me home to my family every night.
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So State 1034, this is the last time you'll hear me in a state patrol car.
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Robert LeMay, the former Washington State Trooper that you just heard sign off, joins us now.
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I remember you talking about that 10 years ago, and I'll be dang, it's happening.
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So, Robert, thank you for listening for all these years.
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And thank you for what you've done as a Washington State Trooper.
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Why did you decide to leave instead of taking the vaccine?
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Well, when this all started, and I apologize, I'm actually in a Santa can right now on a construction site.
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This construction site believes in what's going on so much.
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And I found the state's as quiet as a place I could do it.
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What is it with people doing interviews in the bathroom?
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Laura Logan just did a TV interview from a bathroom in an airplane with me last week.
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And the weird side effects from we knew some people that actually lost full-term babies, co-workers that actually would collapse.
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I've got one detective friend of mine who's actually on a heart monitor now.
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So I do a lot with neurological things, pharmacology, so on and so forth.
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I'm like, you know, this makes no sense either, reaching out to professionals that I knew that were telling me the same thing.
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So I'm like, you know, this isn't going to happen.
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And my group of people that I work with, I'm old enough to be their dad.
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You know, like I said, I remember 8-track players, and they have no idea what that is.
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They said, hey, look, we're going to take religious exemptions.
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So myself and numerous other employees throughout the state, DOT, everybody, we put in these things.
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And they said, well, we recognize your religious exemption.
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The problem is, is that we don't have any jobs for you.
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Furthermore, they threw on top of this, oh, since the separation is not because you really can't do your job,
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and you just can't do it under these terms, we're not going to give you any unemployment.
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So basically, my last day, I walked out with my boots.
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We have, you know, holiday credits and things we can comp out.
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They're saying it's probably a minimum of 90 days before you get that back.
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Just for prior to going on this construction site here, I was watching other videos of my coworkers quitting, retiring, leaving.
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We've been nothing but lied to from the state of Washington, from Governor James Lee's office, as well as our command staff, John Batiste.
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So it started off with about 300, excuse me, at least troopers, and then it kind of dwindled down to, I think, the final numbers yesterday was 74.
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So our chief actually sent out a big document saying, basically, you know, I want to say success, but the way it came out is we were successful.
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Those of you who stayed, thank you, and they feel like we're replaceable.
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Luckily, I've got enough friends out there that I've been very supportive.
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Like I said, you've probably seen it's, what, 1.5 million likes or something like that.
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I've been talking to people throughout the world.
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I mean, England was calling me yesterday, which is pretty cool.
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Somebody's taking my spot so I can actually do this interview.
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The owner of this company is Puget Sound Executive Services, Bob Rondo, and I've known him for years.
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I'll get you somewhere until you can get your feet down.
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It's a tough road, but there's a lot of people that have it worse than me.
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You know, I said earlier we need a parallel economy.
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We need to begin to gather in areas where we're like-minded.
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Well, we need to start doing this, too, and start picking places to live and hiring people like you.
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If anyone is hiring, you know, for cops, and I would say here in Texas is a good place.
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So I grew up in Keller, Texas, not too far from y'all.
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I mean, I've had job offers from across the country, across the state.
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It's an interesting thing because we started as I got home when this went through, and I was just pissed.
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We were like, I went to visit my dad and my parents in Fort Worth, Texas.
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I'm one of the peer support people for Washington State Patrol, where I was.
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But I do a lot with mental health as well for first responders.
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So my wife is like, okay, we're going to sell everything.
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Everybody's like, you need to go back down to Texas.
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And there really hasn't been one state that's actually jumped up and said,
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I think this is, and I'll be honest with you, this has evolved into us meeting now.
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I mean, if we were just up and pull it and leave, none of this would happen.
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So I think this is what Lord wants me to do right now,
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to kind of prosper, be that voice for those folks that don't have a voice.
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I mean, like I said, I'm not an interview guy, but I spent from 2 o'clock yesterday morning
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to late last night just doing phone interviews and a few amusebacks and just all these different
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And I'd like to get a shout out there to Jason Rantz and his show.
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It's a phenomenal man, and his team is just phenomenal.
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Well, I know the Keller Police Department, I don't know about their job openings, but I
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And if you happen to be listening in Keller, Texas, Robert LeMay, decorated former Washington
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state trooper, seems like exactly the kind of guy that you would want to hire.
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I don't know if you have job openings, but Keller, Texas or any place that is willing to take
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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So tell me the story about start at the beginning.
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So the day before school started, we got a note from the Dallas superintendent of the
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diocese that said basically mask would be required.
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And we were shocked because going into the school year, they said that mask would not be
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So what we did is we started emailing people and said, you know, hey, can you just tell
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So I started a change.org petition and it started going out.
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So I want to give the read this because I think it's perfectly reasonable.
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Today, the Diocese of Dallas announced a policy that requires all students and visitors to all
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I feel this contradicts science, Governor Abbott, executive order and also parents choice.
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I want to first acknowledge vaccines are important and they are the best defense against COVID-19.
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There's also not there's nothing stopping students or visitors from wearing a mask.
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Just last week, President Biden's COVID-19 former advisor and top epidemiologist Michael
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Osterholm said, quote, we know today that many of the face cloth coverings that people wear
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are not very effective in reducing any of the virus movement in or out.
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Studies have shown the viral load in the Delta variant is much higher than the original COVID-19
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In addition, we know that students are not very good at wearing masks, which reduces their
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There are examples all over the world that mask mandates just do not work.
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Most teachers will tell you that masks are distracting for the children and become a
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I'm asking you to allow parents to make decisions for their families and follow science.
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So I sent about two or three different emails and we got no response.
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And then finally, I think on the fourth email, the superintendent, Dr.
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Vericke basically said, well, it's clear we're going to disagree.
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And that was basically the end of the discussion.
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And so I joined up with other parents from across the diocese and we started a website
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And we basically then said, you know, we're not going to convince them that masks are ineffective
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So what we said was, you know what, why don't we come up with a policy that is fair, common
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sense and middle ground that most people can try to get behind on either side of the debate.
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And so I actually reached out to people that were pro mask and they actually thought it
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And so the policy that we basically came up with was said, if the hospitalization rate
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for our trauma service area, which is the DFW area fell below 15% of COVID patients in
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the hospital for seven straight days, then mask could come off.
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But if it was over 15% for seven days, mask were on.
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So the analogy is like, well, if it's going to rain, you got to wear your raincoat.
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And it said, if this is the policy, then like, or just have a policy.
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We didn't even care ultimately what the policy was.
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So we, so we sent the policy and it was not even looked at or anything.
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And so there was a couple of protests that were scheduled.
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And so we had the protest and at one of the protests, somebody had a sign that said, stop
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So I was called in with two other dads who were seen as the face of the opposition.
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And we were basically threatened that if we continued to try to advocate and communicate
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with the diocese and the Bishop, that we would be removed.
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If you tried to continue to reach out to the Bishop.
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And my wife was actually the school nurse where my kids go to school.
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She's a Eucharistic minister at the school and the church.
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The other thing that we've tried to do is we've tried to not make this about the vaccine.
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We've tried to isolate people who are not part of the group that are, you know, kind
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of really fringe and, you know, want to go crazy.
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We're trying to stay, you know, in the middle and just ask for a policy.
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And then, so when they, you know, threatened to kick us out, I was, I mean, we were horrified.
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And I just said, you know, it sounds like, you know, we're being intimidated by the church.
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I said, I'm just curious, like, is this what Jesus would do, you know?
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And, you know, and the, the priest that we met with said, no, you know, and I just said,
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you know, why are we, why are we being intimidated and, you know, asked to be kicked out?
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And I said, you do understand the irony that I'm guilty by association for a sign that
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says, stop the child abuse with the Catholic church, right?
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And, uh, well, they said, well, well, and I said, look, I don't, I don't judge the bishop
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and the superintendent for, you know, I only judge them for their actions, right?
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And I said, I hope you would judge me for mine.
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And I said, this whole time I've tried to compromise and find middle ground because I
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said, the moment you say mass become optional, you're going to get just as much heat from the
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So I'm trying to give you guys a policy that everybody can live with.
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So then that way, you know, it's fair to everybody and everybody knows what the expectations are.
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My thoughts are people can take bad news as long as you give it to them and you give it
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I don't have a problem with, with Facebook having their own rules to Twitter, having their
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What I have a problem is they don't apply equally to everyone.
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And if you just have a policy, then you know what to expect.
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And as long as it's applied equally and fairly, then nobody has a problem.
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You know, and so that's, that's all we've asked for is, is a policy since the beginning.
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And so we left and I just said, you know, I, I like to understand what we've done wrong.
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I said, cause all we've done is advocate for our child.
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I've sent, you know, five or six emails that have been respectful and polite.
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And I said, tell me the area of the handbook that I violated.
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And so, you know, the next day I, they followed up with a thank you.
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And then two days later they called us back in and they said, you know, look, we talked
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to the superintendent and what we're trying to get to is a, as a high vaccination rate
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So I think what they want to do is stretch it out till we're, um, the vaccine is basically
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available for kids and then they'll go mask optional.
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What science are they following to get to kid vaccines?
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So, so what is the, what, what, what, what is their real intent or what, what is the desire
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Is that, are they really, they really believe that the kids should have vaccines or is there
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I mean, we, we think that they're ultimately trying to get to where kids have to be vaccinated.
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I mean, we think that there's a pretty close relationship between, you know, the Dallas
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diocese and, you know, the local County judge here in Dallas.
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So, you know, in, uh, in Texas, we have judges.
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They are like the County executive everywhere else.
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Um, and this guy in Dallas County, he is, uh, he's a hard ass.
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And what's crazy too, is had they followed our policy mask would now be optional.
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I mean, if you look at the, the rates of COVID patients in the hospital, we're down to
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I mean, during the Delta spike, it was up to like 22, 23%, but now we're down to nine.
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The thing that's crazy too, is that the Fort Worth diocese was mask optional the entire
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Houston has already gone back to being mask optional.
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Dallas is one of the only diocese in the state that is still requiring mask for elementary
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And I thought that was against, uh, the governor's edict.
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But because it's a private institution, you know, and so that's our whole thing, right?
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Is that look, at the end of the day, you're, you're a private institution.
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You get to do what you want, but don't leave us in limbo.
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And then I can decide for my family if I want to stay or if I want to go.
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The thing that's crazy is I get emails from parents that their kids are choosing not to
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wear their glasses because their glasses fog up during class.
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I don't, whenever I have to wear a mask someplace, I don't ever wear my glasses because I can't
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You're choosing not to be able to see what you're being taught because you're wearing
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I mean, for a kid to have to make that choice, I mean, we're seeing personalities change with
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So we're continuing to try to put, you know, pressure and try to have a conversation with
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I think the local churches are supportive, right?
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They, I think that they're stuck in an uncompromising situation, right?
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And, you know, we know that they were put in a pretty vulnerable situation by the diocese
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So, you know, all we're asking for is a policy so we can then decide if we want to keep our
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The thing that's crazy too, is there's parents that have have medical exemptions because their
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kids either have asthma, they've had PTSD, some kind of trauma, and they're not acknowledging
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Basically what they've said is, Hey, if we're not meeting your needs, just go somewhere else.
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And I'm like the Catholic diocese and the schools are a ministry to try to bring more
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And, but you know, when you're just basically telling people like, Hey, if you don't like
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I mean, it's just, I just didn't think it was very, you know, Christian of them to do that.
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I don't know how this one ends, but we'll be watching.
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Is there anything that people can do to help you?
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You know, we're looking for, you know, donations and try to continue to just get the words out
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You know, we would ask people to continue to write the Bishop and the superintendent.
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You know, the big thing is be respectful, be polite.
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You know, at the end of the day, whatever ends up happening, they're still going to be our
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Bishop and they're still our superintendent and we want to work with them.
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We don't want this to be confrontational, right?
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We want to just find common sense, middle ground approach that, you know, is fair that
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Parents of DDS.com, which I mean, I don't know why you're involving the dentists in this,