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00:00:30.000 Big show today.

00:00:31.120 We have some really amazing things on the show, some real pieces of hope,

00:00:35.640 including my trip up to North Dakota last night to the TPUSA event.

00:00:41.720 I was filled with hope after seeing the 2,500-seat auditorium filled to the rafters

00:00:47.880 and seeing these people that are showing up that are in college

00:00:51.800 and who are really hungry to learn and ready to stand for what is right.

00:00:57.600 It's really amazing.

00:00:58.660 Apparently, though, I announced my retirement last night.

00:01:01.760 I didn't mean to because I'm not retiring anytime soon.

00:01:04.780 But we also have a story that comes out of Rutgers University and a really important story that is coming from a school district,

00:01:17.300 Tumwater, Washington.

00:01:18.440 A 16-year-old girl I'm going to introduce you to.

00:01:21.240 Her name is Frances Stout.

00:01:22.960 She is amazing.

00:01:24.340 And just a couple of pieces of an interview I did today on the full broadcast with Paul List.

00:01:30.820 He says the Lord of the Rings, he's cracked the code of Tolkien, and he says Tolkien was warning us about today, AI, the rise of transhumanism, everything else,

00:01:46.320 and gives us the solution on how to defeat the spirit world that we are fighting against right now.

00:01:54.440 Paul List, and he talks to us a little bit about his book, Mount Doom, all on today's podcast.

00:02:02.720 Let me talk to you a little bit about Burna Launcher.

00:02:06.320 I'm headed up to Fort Wayne, Indiana next week.

00:02:11.800 WoWo, which is one of my favorite stations.

00:02:14.040 And Fort Wayne is one of my favorite cities.

00:02:18.120 They're having their 100th anniversary, and I can't wait to be up there.

00:02:23.360 I wish you were coming with me, Stu, because I know you love Fort Wayne as well.

00:02:25.920 Yeah.

00:02:26.800 But I'm going up there, and this is the home of Burna.

00:02:30.320 So I hope I have time.

00:02:31.940 I'm going to be able to try to swing over to see the people over at Burna.

00:02:34.820 Because they assemble everything here in America.

00:02:37.360 And I think they were, I think 20% of the stuff was made here in America, you know, five, six years ago.

00:02:46.260 When Trump put in the mandate and said, hey, want everything here in America, they did everything they can to switch.

00:02:51.380 And I think they're 90% of their parts now are made in America and all hand put together here in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

00:02:59.120 And they're a great, great American company.

00:03:02.220 And honestly, I don't know why every teacher does not have one of these in their desks.

00:03:07.500 They're perfectly legal.

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00:03:10.120 But if somebody was shooting in the hallway, you could open up your doors and shoot a tear gas pellet at that gunman, and you could save lives.

00:03:20.160 I honestly don't know why more people don't have this.

00:03:22.800 I honestly don't know, if you have kids in college, why you haven't given them a Burna launcher and showed them how to use it.

00:03:29.080 18 and over, there's no permits, it's legal in all 50 states, and it saves lives.

00:03:36.980 Burna, B-Y-R-N-A dot com slash Glenn.

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00:04:41.620 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:49.280 Welcome back to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:51.420 We are so glad that you are here.

00:04:53.100 Thank you so much for listening to the broadcast today.

00:04:56.560 I just got back late, late, late last night from North Dakota.

00:05:00.180 I wish you would have been there, Stu.

00:05:01.420 With TPSA, it was amazing.

00:05:03.200 They're awesome.

00:05:03.900 They're awesome.

00:05:04.460 I wish I was there, too.

00:05:05.300 I saw that you're retiring.

00:05:07.040 So are you going to become a baker, or are you going to be—

00:05:10.360 Yeah, somehow or another, I announced that I was retiring.

00:05:13.720 I don't—I didn't know that, but—

00:05:15.320 Yeah, I didn't know that, actually, either, you know, seeing that I, you know, just signed an extension to my contracts.

00:05:21.740 Oh.

00:05:22.540 But, yeah, that's—that came out all wrong.

00:05:26.740 So you're—

00:05:27.320 I was talking about Charlie, and I was talking about how I was trying to teach, you've got to work for the things, finish what you start, get up every day, and work, and do the things you have to do to get—and I related it to when he was 16 years old.

00:05:43.360 He said he wanted my job, he wanted to be like me, which, translation, he wanted to be like Rush Limbaugh.

00:05:48.120 He wanted the network show and everything else.

00:05:51.380 And what I was trying to say was, I was going to say to Charlie, either last night when we saw each other, or when I saw him at AmFest, Charlie, I told you, well, kid, maybe someday, when he was 16 or 17 years old.

00:06:10.040 You've got to do the work.

00:06:10.640 You've got to do the work, and I watched him, and he did the work, and I wanted to take that to the next step and say, good job, good job.

00:06:18.980 You deserve any way I can help you.

00:06:21.840 I will mentor you.

00:06:23.020 When I retire in 10 years—I'm never going to retire, but if I retire in 10 years, here are the keys.

00:06:29.660 Take it.

00:06:30.340 You deserve it.

00:06:31.900 You deserve it.

00:06:32.600 I mean, he's such a powerful person in the movement, and that is something that you've talked about, I don't know, to me even off the air, but Han as well. 0.99

00:06:42.380 And I think that—I don't think he actually would have—I would have also said to him, you're stupid because you are everywhere doing everything. 0.97

00:06:53.500 You know, Rush used to talk about this. 0.99

00:06:56.480 I make my impact here.

00:06:58.380 Charlie was making his impact everywhere, in politics, in Washington, you know what I mean?

00:07:04.460 But that's what I was trying to say, so didn't introduce my retirement at all.

00:07:10.120 I got so excited.

00:07:11.980 I was like, oh my gosh, he's going away!

00:07:13.640 And then you're like, oh no, I'm staying.

00:07:15.720 Yeah, sorry, sorry.

00:07:16.480 Not going to do that.

00:07:17.280 Unfortunately.

00:07:17.680 Here, let me give you a couple of things that I shared at TPUSA yesterday.

00:07:23.880 I tried to—you know, as I was flying up, I thought, I want to share, like, some lessons that I've learned that are important.

00:07:31.440 Cut one.

00:07:33.340 You promise me, if I live my life the way you tell me to live my life, if I'm always doing what you ask me to do, you will take this from me.

00:07:45.840 This is about redemption.

00:07:47.000 I don't know why they cut the ones with me crying.

00:07:49.600 And my life changed overnight.

00:07:54.780 See, I feel like—

00:07:56.380 If I was out on a ship, I wouldn't want my captain to be crying like this.

00:08:00.100 I don't know what the truth is about you that you have running in your head, but it's probably not very good.

00:08:05.500 We all have these things.

00:08:07.080 Oh, if people only knew—if people only knew what I thought or what I did, or I'm not good enough, I'm a fraud, whatever it is, that's a lie. 0.99

00:08:15.620 Maybe somebody in your life has been telling you that crap. 0.99

00:08:19.340 Turn that off. 1.00

00:08:21.440 Turn that off.

00:08:22.680 You are a divine daughter and son of God with all of the rights and privileges that go with that.

00:08:29.940 You are equipped with everything you need.

00:08:33.000 Don't let anyone tell you somebody stands in your way.

00:08:37.920 Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it.

00:08:41.320 The system is rigged against you.

00:08:43.500 I am a son of God.

00:08:46.100 God, I have everything I need.

00:08:50.660 So you're retiring to be a yacht captain?

00:08:53.320 That's what—

00:08:53.960 No, I'm going to take over for God.

00:08:55.800 Oh, okay.

00:08:56.560 Oh, okay.

00:08:57.280 Yeah, he talked to me.

00:08:58.440 He's going to turn the keys over.

00:08:59.440 He's retiring?

00:09:00.220 He's going to turn the keys over to me.

00:09:01.660 Here is—here I am talking about the recipe for success.

00:09:06.180 Hopefully I'm not crying in this clip.

00:09:09.480 Please help me be crying.

00:09:10.240 I meet a million people all the time who say, I want to have your job.

00:09:18.540 Usually what they're saying is, I want the fame or I want the fortune.

00:09:22.520 And I'm like, you can have that.

00:09:25.520 It's battery acid to the soul.

00:09:29.660 Really, you want my job?

00:09:31.700 Yeah.

00:09:32.800 Well, I'll help you any way I can.

00:09:36.420 If you want to intern or you want a mentorship,

00:09:39.360 I'm willing to do that.

00:09:42.400 No.

00:09:44.460 Nobody finishes.

00:09:46.220 Nobody's willing to actually put in the work.

00:09:49.480 You're not paid what you're paid because you kind of phone it in.

00:09:54.620 You only succeed when you are doing everything all the time.

00:10:01.520 And you are focused.

00:10:02.660 And you're disciplined.

00:10:03.900 And you work hard.

00:10:05.600 And you finish what you start.

00:10:07.880 But when that happens, the whole world changes.

00:10:11.420 I'm telling you, work hard.

00:10:14.580 People who are successful will see it.

00:10:16.740 And you'll rock it to the top.

00:10:19.540 That is the section where I was talking about Charlie.

00:10:21.660 He did the work.

00:10:22.800 He did the work.

00:10:24.040 He deserved to get the breaks.

00:10:27.420 Because he created them.

00:10:29.640 Next one.

00:10:30.260 I talked about, is there bad?

00:10:33.880 Listen to this.

00:10:34.920 There is no such thing as bad things.

00:10:37.760 It's what you do with it.

00:10:39.620 It's what you're going to do with Charlie Kirk's death.

00:10:42.500 You had a choice.

00:10:44.440 Choose death.

00:10:45.620 Choose anger.

00:10:46.600 Choose vengeance.

00:10:48.120 Or choose life.

00:10:50.800 Choose charity.

00:10:53.760 Choose peace.

00:10:55.040 Choose forgiveness.

00:10:56.040 And look how you've already changed the world.

00:11:00.360 There is no such thing as bad if you make the choice to see the good that can come from it.

00:11:08.320 It was a great night.

00:11:10.940 I could have spent, I mean, I could have sat down with those people all day long.

00:11:15.220 I just, they are, there is great hope for America in the youth.

00:11:20.340 And the bravery and the focus of that organization to continue with these events after everything that's happened.

00:11:26.280 Let me tell you something.

00:11:27.160 Real, true bravery.

00:11:29.780 True bravery.

00:11:32.520 It is, it's just great.

00:11:34.280 And I, you know, I talked to him last night.

00:11:36.220 And I want you to hear this.

00:11:37.480 And I want you to share this with people who are their age.

00:11:40.600 Do you know what people were saying about the greatest American generation?

00:11:44.280 Back in the day, as is in the 30s, you know, everybody's, you know, doesn't have a job.

00:11:50.180 It's the Great Depression.

00:11:52.440 Things are not going well.

00:11:54.620 We just came out of the roaring 20s.

00:11:56.820 So now these kids who were born in the 20s, you know, they had refrigerated.

00:12:01.540 This is what their parents and their grandparents and everybody else said about that generation.

00:12:07.100 They didn't have to go out and cut ice.

00:12:09.420 We used to have to cut ice.

00:12:10.640 We had to milk the cow every day.

00:12:12.500 We wanted milk.

00:12:13.440 We didn't have a refrigerator.

00:12:15.500 Okay.

00:12:16.100 We had to plow the fields by hand with horses.

00:12:18.960 Now they get on their tractors.

00:12:20.460 These kids are soft.

00:12:22.300 They haven't had to work a day in their life.

00:12:24.600 You put, you turn the keys over to them.

00:12:27.340 God will help us because they don't have any work ethic.

00:12:31.180 They don't know how hard it is to actually, all of the same things you're hearing about

00:12:36.480 the 20 somethings now is what was said about the 20 somethings in the 30s.

00:12:41.520 And those 20 somethings were the ones who became the greatest American generation.

00:12:47.660 So it's normal for us to say these things because when I was a kid, that happens every generation.

00:12:57.500 Cut this generation some slack. 1.00

00:13:01.060 Look at what's happening with the kids at TPUSA.

00:13:04.400 Sorry, I don't mean to say kids.

00:13:05.520 It's the college students, the 20 somethings.

00:13:09.260 Look at what's happening.

00:13:10.680 Then look at those who are still in their teens.

00:13:14.480 They're different.

00:13:16.520 What we have to do is let them know, gang, this is your country.

00:13:22.560 This is your country.

00:13:24.160 You're going to be the generation that fixes it. 1.00

00:13:28.460 It's not my generation. 0.99

00:13:29.340 We're the forgotten generation.

00:13:30.380 We're just trying to hold things at bay.

00:13:34.140 The generation before us screwed everything up. 0.99

00:13:37.440 They're hippies and everybody's got to have everything and all of this crap. 0.95

00:13:42.240 And then because we lost view of actual morals, actual moral sentiments, and we just got trapped 0.85

00:13:53.000 into fame, fortune, everything's about money, all of that.

00:13:57.040 We started worshiping other gods.

00:13:58.900 We lost it.

00:14:01.100 They instinctively know this isn't right.

00:14:04.340 They instinctively know this isn't going to last.

00:14:07.040 They instinctively know.

00:14:08.700 I didn't know that when I was in my 20s.

00:14:10.540 I didn't see the problem.

00:14:11.280 They see the problems.

00:14:13.080 They may not know how to fix it yet, but that's our job.

00:14:16.920 Our job is to teach them principles, not the answers.

00:14:21.220 Principles.

00:14:21.660 They will find the answers, and they're going to be the ones that either push us into slavery

00:14:28.180 or push us into freedom.

00:14:30.960 I see great hope on the horizon every time I'm with these kids.

00:14:36.340 Every time I'm with them, I realize, oh, my gosh.

00:14:40.220 I remember David Barton and I talked while we were at Fox, and he said to me, I got news

00:14:44.640 for you, Glenn.

00:14:46.040 We're not going to change it.

00:14:47.780 And I'm like, what?

00:14:48.480 Then what?

00:14:49.060 What?

00:14:50.280 He's like, we're not.

00:14:51.460 Look at history.

00:14:52.200 And he taught me some history about how it happened in the Revolutionary War.

00:14:55.500 He's like, we're the ones who teach.

00:14:59.040 We teach the youth, and the youth are going to be the ones that are fixing it.

00:15:03.160 And that's true.

00:15:06.100 Charlie's generation, they learned from me and David and others like us on Fox.

00:15:10.880 They took it and then went to Hillsdale and actually got a real education that they didn't

00:15:17.020 pay for.

00:15:17.480 They didn't care about the diplomas.

00:15:18.860 He didn't care about that.

00:15:19.620 He just wanted to do the work.

00:15:20.620 He really, truly was hungry for the truth, and he looked for it beyond today's truth.

00:15:28.520 He went to ancient truth and then worked his way forward.

00:15:34.720 When I thought, you know, we're not, wait, we're not going to be able to fix this?

00:15:38.200 No.

00:15:39.180 I'm like, oh, geez.

00:15:40.720 It's not our job.

00:15:41.780 Our job is to teach.

00:15:43.940 Their job is going to be the ones that set the country right and design it the way

00:15:50.500 I mean, this is very Jeffersonian, set it the way they choose.

00:15:55.160 It is now their future.

00:15:56.960 I prefer they don't, you know, decide to liquidate all of us over 65 at some point, you know.

00:16:05.340 Well, can't afford health care, grandpa.

00:16:07.260 You're out.

00:16:07.740 But they will find the right path.

00:16:11.540 Have faith in the future because you have faith in God, and God sent these people that

00:16:19.000 that age, they were born for a reason, and I believe they were born to save the world from

00:16:24.560 authoritarianism.

00:16:25.480 So have great hope, and thank you, TPUSA.

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00:17:41.420 Now, back to the podcast.

00:17:43.440 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:17:47.820 Paul List is with us.

00:17:49.420 He is the co-author of a book called Mount Doom.

00:17:52.200 I am a big fan of Tolkien's books.

00:17:54.880 I mean, we watch them, the director's cut.

00:17:59.580 Every year, we'll sit down and we'll watch it for a marathon day or two.

00:18:03.780 We just love it.

00:18:05.340 And I love looking.

00:18:07.760 I know when it was written, and it was written at a time of World War II and, you know, the buildup and all of the evil that the world was seeing, much like it is today.

00:18:15.680 And I look at that, and I look for the hidden meanings in it, and it's brilliantly written.

00:18:24.180 Most people, I think, if you watch the movies, you may miss all of this stuff.

00:18:28.820 So, Paul is here, and I want to bring you back to the characters that we see and we know and what they mean, what the mythology is actually trying to tell us.

00:18:38.640 Well, I'll start with the most important characters of the bunch and the enigmatic character.

00:18:46.160 And what they left out of the movie were the characters Tom Bombadil and Goldberry.

00:18:50.400 And that's been the big mystery.

00:18:51.980 Well, who the heck is Tom Bombadil and nobody's ever figured it out?

00:18:54.580 Well, you can't figure it out unless you have a scholastic point of view.

00:18:58.600 And Tom and Goldberry are the transmigrated, fallen spirits of the Trees of Light. 1.00

00:19:04.880 Okay?

00:19:05.300 They are the golden spirit of the silver tree, which is Talpurion.

00:19:08.820 That's Tom.

00:19:09.980 And the golden tree, then that's Goldberry.

00:19:13.000 And Goldberry actually gets her name from the last golden fruit with which, when they died, they were killed by Shelob's mother, Ungoliant.

00:19:22.280 They produced one last silver flower and one last silver fruit, which became the moon and the sun.

00:19:28.500 But their spirits, you have to figure this out, their spirits were transmigrated.

00:19:32.340 And Aule, the faculty of growth in the soul, one of the Valar, made new bodies for them, just as he had made the dwarves.

00:19:40.600 And with the Louboutin, they had free will.

00:19:42.300 So they were given these spirits and they became Tom Bombadil and Goldberry.

00:19:45.640 And what they are is the rational will or the free will, which is Tom Bombadil.

00:19:50.540 That's why he can do anything he wants.

00:19:52.280 He's the will and the rational intellect, which is Goldberry.

00:19:56.620 And it's all scholasticism.

00:19:58.780 So who are the elves?

00:20:03.040 The elves are faith and all their various, because we have faith both in the material and the immaterial.

00:20:08.500 So the three high kings, okay, are how we love and serve the Lord.

00:20:13.560 This is basic Trenantine catechism.

00:20:18.740 Tolton's giving catechism lessons.

00:20:20.420 They are love, serve, and know.

00:20:23.080 So we have the kings of knowledge, service, and love.

00:20:27.080 And the elves, the Naldor, of the knowledge, and Fionor, who made the somerils, he's the knowledge to make, or the knowledge to make. 0.90

00:20:36.080 And he made the somerils.

00:20:37.260 And his sons, the seven sons, are the quadrivium and the quadrivium of classical education, how we actually learn and the virtues of the mind.

00:20:45.900 Okay, so the whole myth, and men, we'll go to men, men are reason. 0.92

00:20:50.900 And all of the categories of reason, from high reason, which is Aragorn, to practical reason, which are the Rohirrim, 0.67

00:21:01.020 and all the way down to the wild men, which is vital vitality.

00:21:07.220 It's just instinct, okay?

00:21:11.200 So we've got, for instance, and the whole mythology is about the reunification of faith and reason.

00:21:16.480 It's a response, it's Tolkien's late response to Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical attorney patrus,

00:21:24.200 which he was calling the West back, trying to get them to turn their back on the ticophony of these philosophies

00:21:30.500 that were turning the Western world, Christian, and suicidal. 1.00

00:21:34.300 And we see that.

00:21:35.260 It's true.

00:21:35.980 And trying to get us to come back to Thomas Aquinas and the Scholastics. 0.96

00:21:40.540 Which is faith and reason together.

00:21:43.540 Faith, faith, exactly.

00:21:44.860 And that is the reunification of Aragorn, the last of the high reason. 0.55

00:21:49.820 That's why he's the king, because he's the king of the rational soul.

00:21:54.600 And Elrond's daughter, Arwen, is the last daughter of the elves, of faith. 0.85

00:21:59.900 And it's the reunion of the heirs of Beren and Luthien, which are in the Somerillion.

00:22:06.460 And Luthien, of course, is the heart of the whole story.

00:22:09.180 And Beren, and that is when faith and reason came and joined to their highest degree.

00:22:13.400 And so we come back, and then they come from the world.

00:22:17.380 Who is Gandalf?

00:22:20.340 Or what does he represent?

00:22:21.300 Gandalf is philosophical wisdom in two parts.

00:22:25.240 So the wizards are, according to Aristotle's Necomachian ethics, they are the means by which we acquire knowledge.

00:22:31.320 This is right out of Necomachian ethics.

00:22:34.540 So we've got Gandalf is philosophical wisdom.

00:22:38.980 Saruman, who's taken over academia, is practical wisdom.

00:22:42.700 No longer concerned with the higher realm of philosophy, metaphysics, first principles.

00:22:48.140 Okay?

00:22:48.620 And then we have Radagast, who's rational intuition.

00:22:52.740 The two blue wizards that don't come into the, they keep going east. 0.99

00:22:57.040 They go outside of the psychology.

00:22:58.760 They're art and science.

00:22:59.860 And they're the exterior means by which we acquire knowledge.

00:23:02.960 But Tolkien takes them into account, so he covers all five of them.

00:23:07.580 So Gandalf is, Gandalf the gray, gray in the mind, and gray's, he's kind of indecisive.

00:23:13.320 He's pagan, pre-Christian, pre-Revelation philosophy.

00:23:17.920 Aristotle, for instance.

00:23:19.580 When he falls in the mines of Moria, which are the halls of academia, it's under Saruman's control.

00:23:25.020 He falls with the spirit of pride of academia.

00:23:28.440 That is the Belrog. 1.00

00:23:29.720 Belrog is the spirits of pride.

00:23:31.000 He falls down into the body, and he's subjected to Darwinism.

00:23:35.020 Durin is Darwin.

00:23:36.540 Subjected to Durin, trying to prove that, hey, you're just an animal.

00:23:41.540 And then he defeats the Belrog, comes back on the wings of the angels, not like in the movie. 0.99

00:23:45.960 He comes back on the wings of the eagles.

00:23:47.780 And the eagles serve manway, which is the power of sight.

00:23:50.360 And they are the good things that we read.

00:23:52.180 And he's saved by the good reading.

00:23:53.680 And he comes back a fultimistic theologian, Gandalf the white. 0.56

00:23:56.900 And he's no longer indecisive.

00:23:58.340 He knows exactly what he has to do.

00:24:00.340 So he takes control of the great spirit of decisiveness, which is Shadowfax.

00:24:05.800 When they pick up the Eye of Sauron, right?

00:24:09.980 The stone, the seer stone?

00:24:12.300 That was a palantir.

00:24:15.060 That was a palantir.

00:24:15.900 That was one of the seeing stones.

00:24:17.140 But that wasn't the Eye.

00:24:18.480 The Eye of Sauron, he had corrupted because his Nazgul had gained that. 1.00

00:24:22.880 They had taken that earlier in the Third Age.

00:24:26.880 And that was the other one.

00:24:28.300 One of them was in the Tower of Beradur, which, by the way, is the microchip.

00:24:33.060 The Tower of Beradur is the microchip.

00:24:35.560 And that's the tower where Gandalf at one point is trapped on, right?

00:24:39.760 At the top?

00:24:40.320 Well, no, no, no.

00:24:41.960 That's actually the blackened ivory tower.

00:24:44.720 That's Isengard. 1.00

00:24:45.780 That's where Saruman is.

00:24:47.700 Okay.

00:24:47.960 Okay, Saruman.

00:24:48.720 So the two towers are the Tower of Corrupted Academia and the Tower of Beradur, which is the chip in the brain.

00:24:58.080 And Mordor is it.

00:25:00.000 Glenn, this is so fascinating.

00:25:01.480 It's all laid out according to the old Victorian pseudoscience called phrenology.

00:25:06.680 That's the study of the head, right?

00:25:09.040 Right, right.

00:25:09.960 All these areas were representative of this and that.

00:25:13.420 Well, Mordor is in the cerebellum, the back here, the reptile brain, as it's called.

00:25:20.460 And that's the area of all crime and hate and fear and all that.

00:25:23.920 And that's where Mordor is and that's where the microchip is.

00:25:26.520 So at this point in Arda's development, which is the history of all of Christendom, it's been microchipped and it's become transhuman.

00:25:35.260 And what happens is the will and the intellect, Tom and Goldberry decide they're going to break out and they're going to change their evil ways.

00:25:43.660 And they're going to do away with Gollum, this insatiable lust for pornography and all these things that they can get through the one ring, through the computer, through digital technology.

00:25:52.260 And they decide to call out of the shire, the cardinal virtues and send them on a quest with philosophical wisdom and high reason.

00:26:00.800 OK, and fallen, fallen high reason, which is which is Boromir, but still salvageable.

00:26:06.880 And they send them on a quest to destroy the ring.

00:26:09.300 And that's the essence of the quest to destroy the ring.

00:26:13.380 And they have to destroy the language of the machine, because at the basis of every digital technology, whether it's the surveillance state, digital money, virtual reality, self-driving cars, all these things at the heart of that, none of this functions without the one ring, ones and zeros.

00:26:31.200 This is I mean, if if your theory is correct, this puts him.

00:26:37.920 Wait, I mean, decades ahead.

00:26:41.300 Decades.

00:26:41.960 Absolutely.

00:26:42.440 But like I said, his training with Alan Turing, he under Tolkien was a huge skeptic of machinery because he always knew that it was about dominance.

00:26:51.780 Like he wrote in a letter to his son, Christopher, in World War Two, he said the only winner in any war is the machine.

00:26:59.580 And and we create, you know, war advances the machine, not to our benefit all the time.

00:27:05.140 I mean, every every day, every war advances.

00:27:08.700 I'm sorry, advances the machine.

00:27:10.460 And so Tolkien was a was a great scholar.

00:27:13.120 He was very much in touch.

00:27:14.340 He was a he was a traditional Catholic, as I am a traditional Catholic, not this modernism crap that we're seeing coming out of the Vatican. 0.92

00:27:21.700 Now, now that the modernists have taken out of the Vatican, okay. 0.67

00:27:25.420 He was a traditional Catholic and he and he he he saw this coming very much.

00:27:31.820 So with with and this is fascinating with the reunion of faith and reason now comes the rebirth of the white tree and the white tree of Gondor is neglected.

00:27:40.820 It cannot be tended.

00:27:42.620 And Glenn, it is the traditional Latin mass.

00:27:44.940 That's what it is.

00:27:46.540 So when faith and reason comes back together, Christendom is healed.

00:27:50.060 We return to the traditional Latin mass, the mass that the FBI is all over and calling us, you know, terrorists and and whatnot.

00:27:58.840 And it's the original Christian faith.

00:28:00.680 It's the extension of it's the perpetuation of Christ's sacrifice on the cross where he gives us his real body and blood, not a symbol, the real thing.

00:28:09.260 And this is what Tolkien is telling us.

00:28:10.880 So he is.

00:28:12.420 What is the way out that he is?

00:28:16.060 I mean, in today's language, what what is Tolkien saying?

00:28:19.480 Because he's predicting transhumanism, the the merging of man and machine, AI, we are we are on the doorstep of that.

00:28:29.340 What in real terms is his way out?

00:28:33.040 Well, we have to cultivate virtue and we have to do away with pornography.

00:28:38.300 And pornography is represented in Tolkien's mythology.

00:28:41.920 That is Shelob. 1.00

00:28:43.180 The spider.

00:28:44.000 The spider. 0.95

00:28:45.260 That's Shelob's lair is pornography. 1.00

00:28:47.080 Gollum leads them there because that's his favorite place to dwell with the ring is in pornography. 0.99

00:28:51.940 He can slake his lust like crazy there.

00:28:55.220 Just like that's why pornography is so huge in the digital realm.

00:28:58.700 It's so easy.

00:29:00.160 And it he's telling us.

00:29:02.280 And but this is fascinating.

00:29:03.980 We have to we have to cultivate our the cardinal virtues, temperance, fortitude, prudence and justice.

00:29:09.480 And we have Christendom has to be reunited.

00:29:12.940 And we have to do away.

00:29:15.080 We cannot subject ourselves to modern music, which is brain deadening, mind numbing to modern entertainment, which is just as brain dead and mind numbing.

00:29:25.360 We have to read.

00:29:26.900 We have to be competent.

00:29:28.420 We have to learn and try to understand.

00:29:31.540 Human beings are are the combination of the joining of the animal realm in the angelic realm. 0.78

00:29:37.520 And we've been forced largely by Bacon and Descartes and then Darwin forced into the strictly animal realm, which is just a disaster for the human intellect.

00:29:49.440 And we really have to read establish our ability to ascend, transcend the material realm.

00:29:56.100 And when we can do that, we can do that through prayer and through through reading and through the content, the contemplation of the higher purposes of our being.

00:30:05.460 We transcend this realm and we get out of the realm of the machine because the machine owns this realm.

00:30:11.800 And if we are stuck in this realm, we become food for the machine.

00:30:15.880 And the machine is devouring millions, I'd say billions of souls at this point.

00:30:21.840 And we have to pull away.

00:30:23.060 We have to come.

00:30:23.900 We have to turn around.

00:30:24.680 We have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity and do not enter the virtual realm and do not get your children virtual glasses or goggles.

00:30:33.800 That's a direct competitor to God's natural creation.

00:30:37.580 And where we put our attention is where we put our souls and our hearts.

00:30:42.120 Paul, go ahead.

00:30:43.700 Finish up.

00:30:45.260 God's natural created world.

00:30:47.680 We really do and cultivate our humanity and become competent.

00:30:50.800 We have to take responsibility for our health and responsibility for our own education.

00:30:56.180 Paul, I think you are fascinating.

00:30:59.060 And the book is called Mount Doom.

00:31:01.700 I highly recommend.

00:31:04.120 Tolkien was way ahead of his time.

00:31:07.500 And I've always known that there's deep, deep meaning, but I haven't been able to figure it out.

00:31:13.500 And I think you have cracked the code.

00:31:15.580 You can find this in the book Mount Doom by Paul List.

00:31:20.500 Thank you so much, Paul.

00:31:21.420 I appreciate it.

00:31:22.780 Thank you for having me, Glenn.

00:31:23.840 It was a great privilege and an honor.

00:31:25.300 Great.

00:31:25.580 Thank you.

00:31:25.900 Read Mount Doom dot com.

00:31:28.480 Read Mount Doom dot com.

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00:31:38.340 I want to read something from Frances Stout.

00:31:41.680 She posted.

00:31:43.840 She's 16 years old.

00:31:45.340 She lives in Washington state.

00:31:46.700 This evening, as a young female athlete in the United States of America, I was actively silenced for standing up for my own safety and belief.

00:31:54.640 During the Tumwater High School girls basketball game on February 6th, 2025, a biological male from Shelton High School opposing team was brutalizing my teammates, using his biological, his biological advantage, clearly and intentionally overpowering his competition. 0.81

00:32:13.760 I made the decision to sit out one of my very last basketball games of the season because I refuse now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport that I play.

00:32:23.560 I was incredibly distraught at the fact that nobody would step in on our behalf, including the staff, coaches, referees and parents from both sides.

00:32:31.120 This is due to the sheer fact that in our society, we have been pushed to be silent and bow down to the demands to accept what we know to be untrue.

00:32:41.060 When I became visibly upset and angry, I was met with allegations of discrimination as well as threats made by other players and a grown man who was tasked with serving my school district.

00:32:50.340 The principal and athletic director who stood in front of parents and the students claiming to care about our students' bodies, their beliefs and feelings, but they certainly did not care about mine tonight.

00:33:02.340 This is far from over.

00:33:03.700 It has fueled a passion in me to speak out and go against the wrongdoing that is still happening to female athletes in this great country.

00:33:10.660 Isn't it ironic that just yesterday, National Girls and Women's Sports Day, was the day that President Trump signed the no men in women's sports executive order?

00:33:21.720 And here I am the very next day having to deal with such an injustice that has caused so much emotional distress in my life.

00:33:28.880 I will never not stand up for myself or my ability to speak out and protect my safety as a female athlete.

00:33:39.040 16 years old from Tumwater, Washington.

00:33:42.800 It's Frances Stout.

00:33:44.540 Hello, Frances.

00:33:46.160 Hello.

00:33:46.980 Thank you so much for having me on the show.

00:33:49.620 It is not lost on me the significance of speaking with you today.

00:33:52.880 Oh my gosh.

00:33:53.340 Thank you.

00:33:53.740 So, Frances, you were not notified.

00:33:59.540 Nobody was notified.

00:34:00.360 You just go to this game and you see somebody who you describe as obviously a male.

00:34:06.020 Yes.

00:34:06.460 Why do you say that?

00:34:08.020 I mean, tell me the intimidation tactics or the brutalization tactics, if you will, that you felt he was doing.

00:34:16.000 Well, I feel it is obvious from any stand where he would have stood out on the court.

00:34:26.000 He was warming up and stretching, looking around, dancing with the girls on his team.

00:34:33.060 It was obvious.

00:34:33.860 There's clear biological differences between girls and boys, and you could just see by everything.

00:34:42.360 And there was a lot of just roughness on the court and pushing girls down.

00:34:51.460 And nothing that a normal girl on my team or the other team would have really been able to do.

00:34:59.880 Very harsh and just, it was a clear difference.

00:35:06.380 So, you go and say, I'm going to sit this game out or I can't play because I don't feel safe on the court, correct?

00:35:15.100 Yes, that's correct.

00:35:16.300 And what was the response at the time?

00:35:18.400 At the time, people kind of looked and were, oh, whatever, just asked me, oh, are you sure you don't want to play?

00:35:29.080 It's not that big of a deal.

00:35:30.160 I got told by a lot of people, it isn't that big of a deal.

00:35:33.040 It doesn't matter.

00:35:34.480 There's not, nothing's going to happen.

00:35:37.380 And you're just looking for attention.

00:35:40.540 Every sort of thing that you could hear from people.

00:35:44.060 But it was only until I got upset after seeing him hurt girls on my team and also take away from my ability to play because I feared for my own safety that people really started having issues.

00:36:00.780 And what, when you got upset, what happened?

00:36:02.940 So, I went and tried to talk to the principal of Tumwater, Zach Suderman, and I told him this is wrong.

00:36:13.520 Why are you not protecting me and my right to play in my own sport?

00:36:18.500 And why are you not putting a stop to this?

00:36:21.600 It's clearly wrong.

00:36:23.120 It is a violation of my own privacy and safety that you've told every single person at that school that you care about, but you, he did absolutely nothing to help me.

00:36:35.580 He told me that it was discrimination against the boy and the man, actually, 18 years old.

00:36:42.420 That's what he said?

00:36:42.520 He said the man?

00:36:43.320 Yes.

00:36:44.500 Wow.

00:36:44.800 He said, he said, I'm not going to misgender, quote unquote, this individual.

00:36:55.460 Okay.

00:36:56.780 He has also said, and maybe it's not the principal, maybe it's the superintendent.

00:37:01.260 As a district, we remain committed to fostering an inclusive environment where all students feel safe, supported, and valued.

00:37:09.340 Do you feel safe, supported, or valued?

00:37:12.660 That is a very easy answer.

00:37:14.800 Absolutely not.

00:37:16.040 There is in no way am I feeling like I'm supported.

00:37:20.520 I have had, when I was 15 years old, the 18-year-old man was in my own locker room.

00:37:26.420 That is quite the opposite of safe and supported that I should be able to feel.

00:37:31.700 There's a man or boy in the girl's locker room right now at Tumwater High School that they're still doing nothing about telling girls that they can go somewhere else to change if they feel uncomfortable.

00:37:42.360 They only care about a certain protected class, and it clearly is not the girls who just want their own privacy and safety.

00:37:49.620 So now a lawsuit has been lodged against you.

00:37:55.560 The Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism filed a civil rights complaint to the Department of Education.

00:38:03.700 Yes, on our behalf.

00:38:06.620 On your behalf.

00:38:07.560 We've been filed that.

00:38:08.160 Yes.

00:38:08.460 Okay, thank God.

00:38:09.420 I read that, and I'm like, what are they, how is that possible on your behalf?

00:38:14.460 However, yeah, I was investigated, however, by the WIAA and Tumwater School District for harassment and bullying for, quote-unquote, misgendering the man, saying that he was a man who was apparently bullying and harassment, and that is what happened.

00:38:32.320 And I, but myself and my family was the one who filed the complaint.

00:38:39.240 Well, I'm glad, because I was having a hard time understanding how our DOJ was not standing up for your civil rights on this, especially since, you know, the president has made it very clear.

00:38:55.580 Yes.

00:38:55.940 Can you give me any update on where this stands and where this is headed?

00:39:00.460 So we are still waiting to hear back.

00:39:02.800 We filed it a little bit ago and still waiting for news.

00:39:07.320 We have hope that it'll be in our favor, and I am very much looking forward to seeing where it can take us.

00:39:18.280 And, yeah, I am hoping that it'll be all good.

00:39:22.600 Francis, I have to tell you, you give me an awful lot of hope.

00:39:28.560 I think we treat our children as little kids.

00:39:35.040 You know, you hit 16 years old.

00:39:37.760 Back in the old days, back in the old days, I mean, older than me, you know, our founders were in their 20s and 30s.

00:39:46.220 You know, Thomas Jefferson, I think, was 30.

00:39:47.960 They were expected to do more, and we just say, oh, your childhood, your childhood.

00:39:55.060 Yeah, there is something about keeping childhood sacred and keeping childhood as safe as possible, but you are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like.

00:40:06.840 You should know what your rights are, what your responsibilities are, why you believe certain things that you do, if you're passionate about them.

00:40:16.120 Obviously, you're passionate about this, and make the case.

00:40:21.100 You give me an awful lot of hope, Francis.

00:40:23.300 I very much appreciate that.

00:40:25.820 Well, I can not tell you how much I, as I mentioned in my speech last Saturday, this is the turning point of America.

00:40:34.860 And I was an incredible fan of Charlie Kirk.

00:40:40.020 I think he was an amazing man.

00:40:41.380 And I think he's given me a voice to speak out and given me courage, and I think that it's important, although we are young, to speak up for what we believe in.

00:40:55.080 It's important.

00:40:55.920 I've had those values instilled by my family as well and my parents, and I think it's very important.

00:41:03.860 He did not die in vain.

00:41:05.040 I think that we need to make our country proud, and we are going to be the future of America, and we need to start acting like it, and speaking up for what we believe in and what is right, and no good and evil.

00:41:22.320 Do you have any friends in Washington State?

00:41:25.460 Because I grew up in Washington State.

00:41:27.460 I know what it's like.

00:41:28.840 Your family, you just must, is it just you guys?

00:41:32.040 Are you just alone in Washington State?

00:41:34.800 Because you're amazing.

00:41:36.360 Thank you.

00:41:37.500 But it must not be very popular to be you and your family in Washington State.

00:41:42.040 Well, no.

00:41:42.960 You see all around there's people who disagree, but we have a close group.

00:41:48.500 It really shows you who your close friends are and who is there for you, but it is definitely not the majority in Washington State of what me and my family believe in.

00:42:00.380 But this isn't over, and I think that we can make a change, and I think people need to have their eyes opened and realize that there's clearly something wrong, and I think people can be very oblivious to the fact of that.

00:42:18.160 But it is a pretty small majority, especially in Washington State, as you can probably know.

00:42:25.660 I know it quite well.

00:42:28.100 Do you have any friends that disagree with you that are still standing with you as a friend?

00:42:35.920 I don't really have many friends who have told me they disagree.

00:42:40.260 I've been called a lot of names.

00:42:42.000 I've lost a lot of friends over it, but I don't have many friends who disagree.

00:42:47.640 I think it's really sad because they've been told by so many people that they are right, and people who disagree with them are automatically horrible people, and especially Chris Reichdahl telling people that, oh, this isn't happening.

00:43:03.440 So kids are believing him, and parents are believing him, and so they think that I'm just wrong and looking for attention.

00:43:10.360 And I've been called just the other day.

00:43:13.860 I got called a transphobe in the hallways by this kid that I used to be friends with and say hi to every day, and I walked by and got yelled at, and it's sad.

00:43:24.380 It really is.

00:43:25.760 Yeah, you sound smart enough to know there are easier ways to get attention, right?

00:43:31.740 Exactly.

00:43:34.160 Yes.

00:43:35.680 Thank you so much for everything you're doing.

00:43:38.300 Please keep me informed.

00:43:39.580 Keep us up to date.

00:43:40.500 We want to follow the story, and if there's any way we can help, just know you're not alone.

00:43:45.940 Thank you.

00:43:46.960 It'll be people like you that will be remembered someday.

00:43:51.120 It's the people who did the things they didn't necessarily want to do that didn't make them possible, in fact, made them a target, but they had the faith in something bigger than themselves.

00:44:04.780 They knew they had a responsibility, and they stood.

00:44:07.560 Those are the kinds of people that actually make it into the history books, not the one that walked through the crowd, as you were walking through, who said, you're a transphobe.

00:44:19.240 That person is never going to be remembered in history.

00:44:21.880 You will be.

00:44:23.420 So thank you.

00:44:24.120 Keep it up.

00:44:24.740 I truly appreciate that, and it means more than you know from the bottom of my heart.

00:44:29.320 I appreciate this opportunity in speaking with you, and I will not forget what you said.

00:44:35.060 That means a lot.

00:44:36.240 Thanks a lot, Frances.

00:44:37.140 God bless you.

00:44:40.740 See, there is good news.

00:44:42.460 There is good news.

00:44:43.440 There are things that are happening in the country that is really good.

00:44:46.840 Na, na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 10, 2025

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