Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves joins Glenn and Stu to talk about the case, Dobbs v. Jackson, the Supreme Court oral arguments in the case of Mississippi v. Dobbs and Jackson, and why abortion should be legal in the state.
00:12:25.100Well, the Dobbs case actually has a real shot of returning abortion decision making power to the states.
00:12:33.320We know more about the development of babies.
00:12:35.540We have disproved that women need to abort children to have any kind of success.
00:12:39.640And there has never, ever, ever been and still isn't a sound constitutional argument to back up Roe versus Wade or Casey.
00:12:47.720In asking for a clarification, Dobbs will push the Supreme Court to review the constitutionality of how the judiciary is protecting abortion.
00:13:01.200A push pro-choice advocates are very afraid of because they know, as far as the Constitution goes, they don't have a leg to stand on.
00:13:12.360That's what this is all going to decide.
00:13:17.720We have Senator Ron Johnson, the U.S. Senator, Republican from Wisconsin.
00:13:39.380We want to talk to him about the Waukesha Christmas massacre.
00:13:42.920Senator, I, you know, it's bothered me so much that the White House keeps saying our hearts are with the people of Waukesha.
00:13:53.820Although our thoughts and prayers are not good enough for them most of the time.
00:14:12.600What I can report from Waukesha, the healing has begun.
00:14:17.580It began literally the moment of the tragedy, as you saw the citizens of Waukesha respond with just, you know, compassion, integrity.
00:14:28.900As they were dealing with the victims, just the, again, I'm just, I'm haunted.
00:14:33.680And I wasn't there, I'm haunted by the thought of little children on the curb waiting to see Santa Claus and the dancing grannies instead of seeing the slaughter.
00:14:43.640So it's going to take an awful lot of time to heal.
00:14:45.600But the very next night, they held an interfaith prayer vigil.
00:14:49.700I think it's probably over a thousand people that showed up.
00:14:51.920I was able to attend and just talk to members of the community, the first responders.
00:15:03.220Because, you know, so often, Glenn, you know this, is in the midst of one of these horrific events that caused by the worst in humanity, the best of humanity is often revealed.
00:15:15.680And I think we witnessed that, again, right away in Waukesha and as the city continues to heal, I think we'll continue to see that.
00:15:25.720But I know they truly appreciate the thoughts and prayers.
00:15:28.460I know they're appreciating the financial support, the Community Foundation.
00:15:31.840I think they've been, I don't want to say overwhelmed, but I think they're incredibly appreciative of all the thoughts and prayers and all the financial assistance coming in to help people that are grievously injured.
00:15:44.760That we still have three children in critical condition, a number of the other adults in critical condition as well.
00:15:51.040So this is going to be a long, long road to recovery.
00:15:54.720Let me, let me take you through a timeline here.
00:15:58.040You first slam Democratic officials following the Christmas parade over the weekend.
00:16:04.100You said when you look the other way, when you almost encourage lawlessness, I would drop the word almost, just like, let's face it.
00:16:11.760You have political figures doing during the summer riots of 2020, encouraging people to donate to the bail fund so you can bail these people out.
00:16:21.140When you encourage lawlessness, you're going to get more of it.
00:17:00.060Not only at the southern border, but we have catch and release within our criminal justice system.
00:17:03.500And you've got the left pushing either low bail or no bail.
00:17:07.160And again, you had the current vice president after the Minneapolis riots, encouraging people to donate to a bail fund, to bail the rioters out.
00:17:15.380You have the press looking the other way as during the 570-plus riots during the summer.
00:17:22.580Instead, all the focus is on January 6th, as much as I condemn that.
00:17:26.360Now, I'm also condemning the violence that the 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured during those summer riots, the couple dozen people killed during those, the $2 billion of the profit damage.
00:17:36.980We're all supposed to look away from that.
00:17:38.460But we focus instead on, you know, when there may be a perpetrator that comes more from the right side of the political spectrum.
00:18:36.100It has come to our attention that outside individuals or groups may attempt to exploit the tragedy that occurred last Sunday in Waukesha for their own political purposes.
00:18:43.800As the U.S. senators representing Wisconsin, one from each political party, we are asking everyone to consider such action to cease and desist.
00:18:51.660We have full confidence in the local officials who responded with extraordinary professionalism, competence, integrity, and compassion.
00:18:58.420They have many difficult duties to perform in the coming days, weeks, and months.
00:19:01.520And they should be afforded the respect and support they deserve to undertake their responsibilities without outside interference.
00:19:08.560You go on for a couple of more paragraphs, but it's basically the same thing.
00:19:12.040What's angering some people on both sides is you just made it political by saying what you just said, and now you're saying don't make it political.
00:19:25.900Well, how is this not a political issue?
00:19:29.140So I guess you have to read carefully what I said.
00:19:32.020I was trying to head off the past action that could result in potential violence again in Waukesha.
00:19:38.580So, you know, I had recently from the people I'd spoken to on Monday, I get a call that Friday that they are concerned that groups from both sides were going to descend on Waukesha to protest or whatever.
00:19:52.960And they were concerned of a clash and maybe more violence.
00:19:56.760And so all I was reacting to, then they asked me, is it, can I do anything to help?
00:20:00.220I said, well, I could issue a statement.
00:20:01.720I could try and get Senator Baldwin on a bipartisan basis.
00:20:05.020Just ask people, please don't do that.
00:20:22.240So, yeah, I'm getting a lot of criticism from the right.
00:20:24.580I basically agree with them 99% in terms of what they're talking about.
00:20:28.360Because I am outraged by the fact that the left wouldn't stop talking about, for example, Charlottesville.
00:20:34.980They won't stop talking about January 6th.
00:20:37.720But you don't hear much about the assault on the Republican members of Congress on the baseball field.
00:20:45.380I don't think Waukesha is really much on anybody's front page other than in right-wing media now.
00:20:52.060So, trust me, both of us are recipients of grossly unfair coverage by the left, the left-wing media, the distortions, the lies, the false narratives.
00:21:54.420They didn't need to deal with additional protesters and people taking advantage of the situation, physical presence, potentially resulting in violence.
00:22:03.740Coming in from other parts of the country, too.
00:22:08.420Usually, these protesters are bussed in.
00:25:52.080We need to exert our energy to defeating them.
00:25:55.660And when I say defeat, I mean sweep them from power at the national level, at the state, and at the local level, primarily at the local level.
00:26:04.580We've allowed radical lefts to take over our school boards, which is why they're teaching critical race theory.
00:26:09.140We took our eye off the ball, focusing everything on the federal government.
00:26:13.020We need to focus and be as relentless as the left is in preserving our freedom as they are in taking away from us.
00:26:20.860Thank you very much, Senator Ron Johnson.
00:27:30.840I'm actually very optimistic about the chances of this case after talking to your really great attorney general,
00:27:42.140the first woman attorney general in Mississippi's history, Lynn Fitch.
00:27:48.380Yeah, today is a day that many of us in the pro-life movement have been waiting for for a long time.
00:27:55.780In fact, some even longer than I have been alive.
00:27:58.800The Roe v. Wade was decided, the decision came down in January of 1973.
00:28:05.300And so for almost 50 years, Roe has been the precedent that was set.
00:28:11.060But many of us, and I presume most of your listeners, just really believe that it was decided wrongly back in 1973.
00:28:19.320And then you also have the Casey case that occurred in 1992, which really helped establish the viability provision.
00:28:29.880And we believe that was wrongly decided as well.
00:28:32.800If you read the Constitution, and I've read it, there is no guaranteed right to an abortion in the United States Constitution.
00:28:41.420In fact, not only is there not a guaranteed right, there's also nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents states like Mississippi and others from placing reasonable limits on those abortions.
00:28:55.020And the case that's before the court today certainly places reasonable limits.
00:28:59.740So that's the thing, reasonable limits.
00:29:05.020The two countries that have zero laws on the books to stop people from abortion, you can abort a baby while giving birth, it's China and North Korea.
00:29:19.400And we are right there at that doorstep.
00:29:44.580And I think your point is so important because those in the abortion-on-demand crowd try to convince the American public that the abortion laws in the U.S. are mainstream across the world.
00:30:03.420As you correctly pointed out, the laws in California and New York with respect to abortions are more similar to China and North Korea than they are any other country around the world.
00:30:16.160In fact, there are 42 countries in Europe, Glenn, that allow for elective abortions.
00:30:23.980If this Mississippi law is upheld, then there will still be 39 countries in Europe that have more restrictive abortion laws than Mississippi, which I think is one of, if not the most conservative states in the United States.
00:30:42.000And so this law just gets our state to a point where we are more in line with mainstream countries around the world.
00:30:52.780My goal ultimately would be I'd love to see the court overthrow Roe v. Wade because it was wrongly ruled.
00:31:01.540But they don't have to do that to allow this ban to go into effect, and that would ultimately save lives.
00:31:09.260And that's what we've been trying to do for many years is find ways in which to pass restrictions that save babies' lives.
00:31:20.080So you are, but I want to make sure that people understand that if this goes, you're not arguing to ban all abortions in America.
00:31:31.440You're saying leave it to the states to decide, get it out of the court system, leave it to the people to decide this.
00:31:39.860So California would probably end up doing more abortions.
00:31:44.360New York would end up doing more abortions.
00:31:50.180Well, we believe that that's what the United States Constitution contemplates is it is the 50 labs of democracy in the states that should be making these decisions.
00:32:04.740There's no guaranteed constitutional right to an abortion in the U.S. Constitution.
00:32:11.580And our founding fathers were very, very tactical and very intelligent in saying that anything that the Constitution doesn't give explicit authority to the feds on should be decided in the individual states.
00:32:28.240And so, no, we're not we're not asking the court to outlaw abortions.
00:32:34.500We're just simply asking the court to recognize that it's the individual states that should have the opportunity to set their policies based upon the will of the people in those individual states.
00:32:46.980So the left loves to scream, my body, my choice, not when it comes to vaccines.
00:32:52.920What is the difference here between these two?
00:32:57.240Why can't why do why did why is it my body, my choice in one regard and not with vaccines?
00:33:06.800Here's what we've learned with respect to the vaccine.
00:33:09.240Even Dr. Fauci admitted on Sunday that the vaccines are pretty effective, are very effective at keeping you from becoming hospitalized and from having a severe case.
00:33:24.700However, what we have learned as more and more data comes out is there's there is certainly individuals that are vaccinated that are contracting the virus.
00:33:35.020And there are those who are vaccinated that are spreading the virus.
00:33:38.520And so the vaccine, in my opinion, is exceptionally helpful in reducing the severity of your case.
00:33:46.420But that gives you as an individual the ability to make your own decisions as to what's best for you and your family.
00:33:53.920Conversely, with respect to abortions, and this is where the left just completely gets it wrong.
00:34:00.900They want to scream, my body, my choice, and completely ignore the fact that there is an additional unborn child in that womb that they are aborting and ultimately killing.
00:34:13.900And so that is where the distinction lies is.
00:34:17.540And abortion is, in my view, by definition, the killing of an innocent unborn child.
00:34:23.620And that's when it's no longer just about your body.
00:34:26.700It's about the body of that unborn child.
00:34:29.060And it's why, Glenn, it's so important that people like me and people like Attorney General Fitch and other like-minded pro-life people around America stand up for that unborn child because they don't have the ability to stand up for themselves.
00:37:35.580I'm cautiously optimistic that the justices on the Supreme Court are going to stay away from any political considerations because that's not the role of the court.
00:37:48.880That is the role of the legislative branch of government.
00:37:51.220And that's the role of the executive branch of government is to recognize public opinion and make decisions accordingly.
00:37:57.260But the judicial branch's job is to read and interpret the Constitution.
00:38:07.300And I think a simple reading of the U.S. Constitution shows you that there is no guaranteed right to an abortion in that document.
00:38:16.520And there is nothing in that document that prevents the states from passing their own laws.
00:38:22.000In fact, that is really one of the fundamental principles that this country was founded upon is that anything that is not specifically delineated for the role of the federal government is to be handled by the states.
00:38:37.680And so I'm optimistic for that reason.
00:38:41.900And I know that there have been literally millions and millions and millions of Americans praying for our legal counsel, who is literally, as we speak, making these arguments before the court.
00:38:55.040And I hope that that will continue in the coming days and weeks before the decision is handed down.
00:39:00.840And we think it'll be months, obviously, before we ultimately get a decision.
00:39:09.740Governor, thank you for everything that you've done for life and everything the state is going through right now.
00:39:17.500It is probably the most important thing that we can do if we don't get ourselves on the right side of history on pretty big things like this.
00:39:28.200You know, we are going to have a tough fight on everything else.