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Pastor Winston Parrish gives us an update on the scene in North Carolina. Also, Clint Bullock sets the record straight on something we got wrong with the Arizona Supreme Court. Did they allow 98,000 illegals to vote? No. And Jack Carr and James Scott talk about the previously untold story that led to the War on Terror.
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On today's podcast, Pastor Winston Parrish gives us an update on the scene in North Carolina.
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I'm flying out to Asheville, North Carolina, with a plane full of supplies that the people there need.
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It is a very frustrating and confusing situation, as you will hear in the podcast today.
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But I am going there for one reason, to deliver supplies, but also to see it for myself and talk to people about some of the things that you're seeing online.
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Also, Clint Bullock sets the record straight on something we got wrong with the Arizona Supreme Court.
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And Jack Carr, James Scott, talk about the previously untold story that led to the war on terror.
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And don't forget to check out the full show, the whole podcast, for more.
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But this is the best of the Glenn Beck Podcast.
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So today, I'm going out with Mercury One and Corey Mills.
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We have loaded up a large plane here in Dallas, and we're taking off in a couple of hours.
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And I'll be on the ground three hours later in Asheville.
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I think we're flying into Greer, which is the closest we can land a fixed wing plane.
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And then we're taking helicopters back and forth to deliver the supplies.
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And hopefully, you know, Corey Mills has been out there every day.
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His campaign is like, Corey, you can't leave the state.
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And he's like, you know, how do I face the Lord, you know, on Judgment Day?
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You know, I could have helped those people, but I had a campaign to run.
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He's the closest thing to an American or Captain America, I think, that we have.
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But thank you, Corey, for everything that you are doing.
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Yesterday, my security staff called and said, Glenn, we have to take a couple more protectors.
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And they're actually starting to look for people who are former special forces that can help protect some of the food and some of the supplies.
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Now, Stu, what happens when people know that no one's coming to help?
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It's 48 hours and gets worse and worse after that.
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If you want to be someplace safe and you don't have electricity, you don't have cops, you don't have anything, you better be out of that place by 72 hours or it's the Wild West.
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That's how this has been described to me, as the Wild West.
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There are, well, and let me just give you a couple of, let me give you a couple of things that I have received from the ground.
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However, I have talked to some of these people, and I know that the people that I know have talked to people on the ground, been on the ground.
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And I cannot give you the names because at this point, I'm told they don't want to be identified, and I completely understand that.
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But I want to give you a couple of things that we are hearing about.
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There are two reports that I have first, one from eastern Tennessee and the other one from Asheville, North Carolina.
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FEMA is being, people are starting to say that FEMA is taking away food.
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The accusation is actually TEMA, the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency, which I think makes this worse.
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They are telling churches, and we have four sources, and some of them churches, some of them not churches, four sources that do not want to be identified for fear of reprisal from the government,
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that they are told they cannot take contributions from the outside of the state.
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TEMA is the one, not FEMA, TEMA is the one taking the food away from people, and they're saying, we know where this needs to go.
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You can't take the food from outside, you've got to take it from us, and it's horrible, and it's policy, apparently.
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TEMA is under the state, and pressure needs to be put on the Tennessee elected officials to get these guys under control.
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We put a call into the governor's office to let him know what's occurring under him.
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State officials need to hear from the people to get the state bureaucrats out of the way.
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Now, I have this, I have spoken to people who have spoken to the people, but we have Blaze, I'm bringing some reporters with us today, Blaze is already on the ground, been there for a while, but we're bringing more resources in.
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And we're going to track these things down and absolutely verify.
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I would normally wait before I would say something like this on the air, but people are dying because they do not have the resources.
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There are people still in the hills that are completely cut off.
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And without the National Guard, it's private helicopters.
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It is because of you that we have two helicopters, giant rescue helicopters, operating in daylight hours as much as they possibly can.
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We need more helicopters, and we will supply those as more donations come in.
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If you would like to be a part of the solution and not the problem, this is such a bad thing and a good thing at the same time.
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But on the good side, we're seeing people rise up and do amazing, amazing things.
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Now, one lady was serving food to children at the local school.
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She said Tima came in and just took all the food.
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Several folks that were interviewed made statements of disappointment in Tima, but they want to remain anonymous.
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Now, on the North Carolina side, there's some really good things that are going on.
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They need money for all of the special requests.
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I know I don't have an update yet on Jace Medical, but I think Jace Medical is going to be supplying medicine that we're flying in as well.
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I mean, if you don't have insulin, you have no way to refrigerate insulin.
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They also need special equipment, et cetera, et cetera.
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I have to get to Chris Martinson here in just a second.
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What he has published is shocking and horrifying.
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He is the senior pastor at Trinity Baptist Church.
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Pastor, I can't thank you enough for holding your community together.
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I've talked to people who have talked to you, and they say, you know, five minutes on the phone with the pastor, you get about 10 seconds because everybody's asking for something, and you really kind of have a command center there.
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Thank you for having me on, and I appreciate your prayers.
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He's giving us wisdom and discernment that's above ourself or above our ability, and we're just honored to be serving.
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Glenn, I'm seeing the people come together in a way maybe that I've never seen in this area before.
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There's just a camaraderie and a sense of community that really has never been this visible.
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It's quite incredible to see how people are caring for one another, loving one another.
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But I would say the good outweighs the bad on that end, and we're thankful for the 500 extra law enforcement officers that have poured into our community to keep us safe.
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We are hearing from people that were presumed dead or missing that were finding out they're at a shelter or that they made it out before the floodwater hit their home.
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I think the greatest news is that God is still in control.
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He's in control this morning, and that's where our peace is.
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Have you seen the federal government anywhere yet?
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I was thankful to see him here yesterday in Asheville.
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And he was here on campus with us, with our team, for over an hour, maybe even more, and was listening directly to those needs.
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I've already heard a couple times from his office this morning, and they're helping us with specific needs.
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Other than him and our local government that's done an incredible job with what they have, that's the only government official I've heard from at this point.
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Winston, I have to tell you, I am just so disappointed in our country.
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I love the people because I'm not disappointed in the people.
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But our government, this is absolutely shameful for what is happening.
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There are churches all over the southeast that have come together to help Trinity Baptist Church here in Asheville get the supplies out to the fire departments, the communities that need it.
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At this point, the requests that are coming back, our church campus has turned into an operations center.
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We have task force from all over the country that are housed here.
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My sanctuary now is a massive dorm for over 100 rescuers, National Guard.
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And we're taking care of them here, trying to keep themselves efficient.
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Our water system here in Asheville is in ruins, and the water department is doing their very best to get water back on.
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And so over the last two days, we have been drilling wells here on our church property.
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We're waiting on the test to come back so that we can start drinking that water.
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So we're working on getting as much resource here as we can.
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The big thing right now that I've heard, I've heard from nine different fire departments this morning, they need things like freezers.
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These guys have had wet feet, and these gals have had wet feet for a week now.
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And so I have an order for dozens and dozens of station duty boots.
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I have a tractor trailer load of ice that's coming today.
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There are very specific needs throughout Western North Carolina that we're trying to meet today.
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This is just a local church trying to do its best to level in its community.
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I have about nine pages worth of printed requests from these departments.
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So I'm doing everything that I can, and we'll keep doing what we can as long as the resources are available.
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Winston, there are millions of people listening.
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Is there anything on your list that you need help with that we can take care of for you?
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If we can find freezers, boots, if we can find a supplier maybe that would like to help us with good waterproof station duty boots,
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And then a lot of the other requests that are coming in, we're taking care of ourselves here at the church.
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There's other needs, obviously, that some of them are firemen's homes and things that are weeks down the road.
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I just talked to a fire chief a few minutes ago.
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There's still a community here in Buncombe County where folks are unreachable because of how much mud and how much debris is blocking the roads.
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So one operation today is getting some of these people who are cut off, getting them food, getting them water.
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There's a church there that's handling all of that.
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We're supplying them with any need that they have.
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And then, obviously, we're just going to buy as many refrigerators, freezers and boots,
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some of these other items like beds and cots and mattresses.
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Truly blessing the community and giving us a chance to be blessed as well by helping you.
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I know that's a separate issue than what we're talking about today.
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But I do still greatly believe that if we'll bless Israel, God will bless us.
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And I appreciate your stand with the nation of Israel, sir.
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Takes off in about two and a half hours, I think.
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I don't even know what station-ready boots are.
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But if somebody does and they can get them to the Mercury Studios or, you know, if you can get them to us, let us know.
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I'm landing in Greer, North Carolina with a fixed plane.
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If you can get them there, I can put them on the helicopters and get them to these fire stations today.
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If somebody wants to—I mean, Mercury One will buy all of this stuff.
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So if you don't have connections for freezers or whatever, just call Mercury One and make a donation at mercuryone.org.
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If you have a connection and you're like, I can get freezers really cheap and they're all really good and everything, please notify Mercury One.
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But we are—our job is to help people like Winston Parrish.
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Make no mistake, the left is on attack when it comes to the issue of abortion.
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They're not just interested in protecting the right to murder babies.
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They're doing their best to take away even the right to protest the evil things they're standing up for.
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I am proud to partner with the country's largest pro-life organization, maybe the largest in the world.
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They're leading the charge to put an end to abortion every day.
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They sponsor free ultrasounds for women as well as providing help for them for up to two years after the baby is born.
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They don't just advocate for the baby's life and then forget about them once they're born.
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When a mom sees her unborn child on that monitor, she hears the heartbeat.
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She's twice as likely to consider choosing life for her baby.
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But many of them then say, but I don't have any support mechanism.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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So let's say how to your co-author here, James Scott.
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Thanks so much for having us on this morning, man.
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Um, so, uh, I, uh, I got your book, um, about, um, Beirut targeted Beirut.
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Um, I mean, this is, I've been talking about this for years.
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This is where Osama bin Laden went, wait a minute, I can move the giant, correct?
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And a host of other countries, proxy groups, terrorist organizations around the world, uh,
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because it was really an operation that would set the rules for the next 40 plus years, uh,
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set the paradigm, set the model that the United States has been interacting with Iran, with
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its proxies with ever since, and to a lesser extent, Israel.
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Uh, I'd say they have, uh, they have been shifting those rules over the past couple of months,
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but, uh, the United States is still playing by those rules that were established by Iran
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in 1983 with the bombing of the head Marine headquarters and barracks bombing, uh, on October
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So, uh, when I pitched Simon and Schuster on this idea, when I thought I'd built up enough
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political capital to be able to talk to them about the nonfiction series, uh, there was,
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unfortunately, there were a lot of terrorist events to choose from.
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And my idea was trying to capture the strategic, the operational, the tactical lessons learned
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And I kept coming back to Beirut 1983 because it was such a pivotal point in our relationship
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Uh, and, uh, we've been really playing by those rules and by that model ever since.
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So James, maybe you can tell us what, what exactly happened, uh, that, that moved the world's
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So what you got to remember is like 1983 in Lebanon, I mean, it was just absolute chaos.
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I mean, you had a civil war going on between the Christians, the Sunnis, the Shias, you had
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the PLO was, was in the process of leaving, you know, the Israelis had been at war against
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Uh, and of course, in this chaos, Iran saw an opportunity.
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And in 1982, they sent in about 800 Iranian revolutionary guardsmen into this remote sort
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of lawless region in the corner of Lebanon up near Syria, basically to start building a
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And they capitalized on the, uh, the discontent of the downtrodden Shias, uh, and started training
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And, uh, and so they built a couple of homegrown terror groups during that time period.
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And those groups would eventually merge and become Hezbollah.
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And of course, Hezbollah was behind the attack on the Marines on that Sunday morning in October
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and an earlier attack, 188 days earlier, uh, against the United States embassy there that
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So this is really the birth of Hezbollah, which of course is a key Iranian proxy, uh, in which
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during that one year, 1983, they killed and injured hundreds of Americans.
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So it wasn't just that they killed hundreds of Americans.
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And it's strange because you would think when you think of Ronald Reagan, you think of, you
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Uh, he's going to take care of it, but what did he do?
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Yeah, that's the whole, that's the whole thing that taught, uh, taught Iran, uh, that
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Terrorism works through its proxies because there was never a U S retaliation.
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There was a lot of tough, tough talk out of the administration in the direct aftermath of
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And of course, Iran took that lesson, which allowed them to then set the rules.
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Why didn't we react the way a superpower would?
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I mean, what happened is there was an internal dynamic that was playing out inside the white
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house and you had on one side of it, you had the joint chiefs of staff and the defense
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department, Caspar Weinberger, who really never wanted to be in Lebanon to begin with.
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They saw Lebanon as a, uh, a sideshow from the larger cold war struggle against the Soviet
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And they also feared that Lebanon would open up America to the exact kind of attacks
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And they didn't want to see U S forces siphoned off into this smaller conflict.
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And so they were very much advocating, we got to get out.
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They were pushing for us to get out, et cetera.
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The opposite side of that was Secretary of State George Shultz and National Security Advisor
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Bud McFarlane, who really saw an opportunity for nation building here and to sort of prop
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up a stable, peaceful ally on Israel's northern border.
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And so this internal clash between these two parties sort of led to the stalemate and basically
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the paralysis of the decision-making process in Washington.
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In the end, the reason we didn't retaliate, it came down to Weinberger.
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He's the one who literally killed the operation.
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And there was an operation that had been planned by the national security council.
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And in the end, it's Weinberger personally who kills that.
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And, and I think his rationale for that, he kept arguing at the time we needed more concrete
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You know, the kind of legal standard you would have at the U S court that's often not there
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But I think really the reality is he didn't want us to go up that escalation ladder any further.
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It was better to cut our losses and get out rather than risk, you know, a retaliation
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that leads to another bombing that leads to another attack somewhere in the world on
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So I know this is pretty impossible to, uh, you know, to, to come up with the, you know,
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Um, but what do you think would have happened if we, if we wouldn't have listened to Weinberger?
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Things could have escalated into a regional war or, or it could have sent the message that,
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uh, the price of attacking U S forces is so high that it is not worth it for you, Iran,
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for your proxies or for other terrorist organizations around the world, especially if we kept them on
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their heels with some of the things that Israel has been doing lately with the pager attack,
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with the handheld communication device attack, with special operations missions, targeting
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key leaders and targeting, uh, mid-level fighters.
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Uh, if we had done that and not allow things to escalate, but kept them on their heels, it
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And what would have happened then compared to now?
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I mean, now we, we attack Iran or, you know, we go after, you know, the proxies, uh, with
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And now it's probably a much different story than it would have been in the eighties.
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It's a little different now because of the nuclear question, of course.
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Um, so that's a, that's a factor in there as well.
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Um, but that's, that, that is probably the biggest one.
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They've been allowed to, uh, to continue developing that nuclear capability up to a point where,
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uh, where they're on, on the cusp, um, but they've been on the cusp for a long time.
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Cause I, I have to tell you, I've been covering Iran for 25 years and I always hear they're
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I mean, that's what makes it very hard to trust, uh, when intelligence agencies or a
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administration official says that, um, so you don't know how you're being manipulated
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or if you're being manipulated, but at the same time, you think, well, that they were
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saying this 20 years ago, uh, well, even though they were saying it's weeks away, now Iran
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has had 20 years of being able to do this, uh, and develop it.
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So, um, I don't have a good answer on that one, but I'm very aware that, uh, these devices
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we carry around in our pockets and administration officials telling us things are certainly,
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I would think that if Iran has a bomb, I mean, there's, I believe them when they say Israel
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will burn in the fiery furnaces of the Islamic fury.
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Um, you know, that that's the, the, the nut jobs at the top, the real, the real religious
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nut jobs, if they actually have control enough, they will burn it in the Islamic fury.
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They will use a nuke because they think they'll hasten the return of the promised one.
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Is that, is that your guys's read on this or not?
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You might want to believe, uh, that neighbor that says he's eventually going to kill you.
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Um, but we talked a little bit about the lessons that Iran learned and, uh, in, in writing this
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book and in, uh, from my time in the military at the same time, I've, uh, I've always struggled
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with why we fail to learn lessons from the past, uh, apply those lessons going forward as
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We put these Marines in Beirut, 1982, 1983 timeframe.
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We put them in a tactically disadvantageous, untenable position.
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And we did that same thing to us service members in Afghanistan, August, 2021, when it was
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unnecessary, when we had Bagram, a tactically advantageous position.
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And yet people in air conditioned offices, thousands of miles away from the battlefield
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still put our us servicemen and women in the case of Abbey Gate in these tactically
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We have an explosion, bomb goes off, kills us service members in the case of Abbey Gate
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Uh, but interesting thing happens in the aftermath of both events is that people blown
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off their feet across the compound or airfield, uh, or hear the explosion.
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They run to the sound of the guns to try to save as many of their fellow brothers in
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arms and the case of Abbey Gate brothers and sisters in arms as they possibly can while
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Cause they didn't know in both cases, if there were going to be follow on attack.
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So that same U S service member who was out there in Beirut, 1983 is the same one that
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was Abbey Gate at Abbey Gate, the same ones who's out there right now, standing close
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Uh, so let me ask both of you because, uh, James, you're a historian, you're a Pulitzer
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Um, and you've really done your homework on this, Jack, I'm, I'm sure you've done your
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Um, but you, uh, the combination of the two makes the book a really good, uh, thriller
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Um, but, uh, let me ask both of you is speaking of lessons to be learned, what are the lessons
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I, I feel we are a hair's trigger away from world war three.
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Uh, uh, and I think there's just people that want it to happen.
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What, what should we be doing right now that maybe we're not, uh, as it comes to learning
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Yeah, no, I mean, Jack and I've actually had this discussion a lot in the last week
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because I mean, there's always been sort of this acceptable level of violence that has
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I mean, this sort of tit for tat that goes on between Israel and its neighbors and its
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proxies and, and the U S even allows, uh, attacks on us.
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I mean, because at the end of the day, you know, we're the ones who have to protect, you
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know, the Straits of Hormuz and make sure that the global economy doesn't go off the
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So this acceptable level of violence is sort of has been the backdrop ever since 1983.
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And of course, October 7th was a total game changer.
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I mean, that was just a, a masterful operation by the terrorists, you know, using, um, you
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know, gliders to get over walls, tunnels and things like that.
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And of course, the, the, the, the body count on that was so extraordinary that Israel has
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really, you know, gone in and cleaned house in Gaza and it has escalated now to the point
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where, uh, it's becoming this, you know, they've, they've wiped out much of Hamas's,
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You know, they've done the exact same thing with these just brilliant attacks recently against
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Now Iran is feeling the pressure from its proxies.
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Hey, you know, we're the ones taking it on the chin here.
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Now they're sending in missiles against Israel.
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So, I mean, this sort of acceptable level of violence is suddenly no longer what we're
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I mean, it's, it's, it's on this total escalation ladder and, and the fear is, you know, where
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I mean, does it explode into a larger regional war?
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And quite frankly, in a lot of ways, we're, we're kind of off the map at this point.
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Uh, so, I mean, every day is kind of a new addition to what's going on.
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I mean, I wake up and look at the news every morning thinking, all right, where are we today?
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Uh, you know, so I think it's, um, we're, we're a bit off the map here.
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Uh, you know, our job is getting harder and harder.
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I just gave permission to hire yet another researcher, uh, this morning, um, because we
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are just overwhelmed in stories that we don't know what the truth is.
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You should see my, my email, my, um, uh, uh, my private messages, um, and even my text
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messages from friends that I trust that are like, Glenn, I don't know if this is true.
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And I know you're in that situation and we are going to go off the cliff if we can't
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That's one reason I'm going to Asheville, North Carolina today.
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Are there bodies, you know, in chimney rock that are still there?
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You know, what, what is happening on the ground?
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And we're bringing, you know, a plane full of, uh, supplies for them through Mercury one.
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Um, but we have to, this, what I said in the meeting today, we have got to come.
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And even if we don't talk about them, um, we have to find out, are these things true?
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So, you know, if they're true or not, and we'll do our best, but it takes so much time.
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Do you remember the story that Arizona added 98,000 illegals?
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I think we did at the time, uh, you know, and try to give perspective.
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I mean, there's so much stuff for people to sort through right now.
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If I remember the story right, it was hard to decipher.
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And it's, I think why we didn't follow up on it at all, because we were like, I don't know
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Well, good news, uh, the, um, uh, the, uh, head guy of the Arizona Supreme Court, uh,
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wrote to us, he's, uh, Justice, uh, uh, Bolick, uh, he joined the court in 2016.
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Um, he previously co-founded the Institute for Justice and served as litigation director
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Uh, he litigated constitutional cases from coast to coast, including the U.S.
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He is not the Supreme, or he's not the Supreme Court.
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Um, he's a Supreme Court justice, but he's not the chief justice now in, uh, Arizona.
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But he says that story is wrong and he'd be the guy that knows, uh, Clint, welcome to
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My boss, the chief justice would have, uh, would have, uh, uh, drawn and quartered me.
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Uh, you know, this story was everywhere and I don't remember what we said.
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So let's correct it, uh, and correct all of the stories that were out there.
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And, you know, usually when a court issues, uh, controversial decision, they know it.
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And so for a couple of days after we, we did not consider this to be a controversial decision
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at all, but all of a sudden we were hearing from people and, and I was encountering people
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who were saying we were letting illegal immigrants vote.
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And, uh, I looked at the headlines that had come out and just, I've got one on screen in
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front of me, uh, from Newsweek that says Arizona court says nearly a hundred thousand people
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And so I can well understand why people got that impression.
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Yeah, but the headline should have read, um, court, uh, Arizona court, uh, prevents, uh, disenfranchisement
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of a hundred thousand people over computer error.
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Uh, so Arizona is one of the few States that requires proof of citizenship before someone votes.
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And when the law was passed, they, uh, assumed that people who had registered by 2005 were, uh,
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So they didn't require you to show, uh, proof of citizenship unless you moved to a different
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And due to, uh, uh, a department of motor vehicles glitch, and I'm, I know that's
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Oh, no, it's hard to believe the government would do anything that had glitches in it.
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So in any event, um, apparently a large number of people who were registered to, to, uh, uh,
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to vote and who had driver's licenses before 1996 and who moved, uh, or got duplicate licenses
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Now, most of these people have been voting for decades.
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Um, and, uh, you know, so, so there's no indication that any of them are illegal immigrants,
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but once this problem was discovered, uh, the County recorder of Maricopa County went to
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court and said, all of these people should be removed and required to prove their citizenship
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And of course, the same people who made the mistake would have been in charge of, uh, of
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making sure that, uh, those papers were shown by the election.
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And just imagine if we had gone to election day and thousands, possibly over a hundred thousand
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people who had been voting for decades were told, Oh no, we don't know whether you're a
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Uh, you know, and, and, uh, this is not, you know, so in any event, uh, we, it was a very
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And it was the only election case, Glenn, that I can remember where the Arizona Republican
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They both said, please don't throw these people off the ballot.
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And, uh, we, we discussed, we, we determined that we had no authority to take that many people
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Um, uh, if you, if you think that they are not, uh, citizens and after the election, though,
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there will be an effort to verify citizenship, but, but most of these people would have had
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no idea what was going on, you know, uh, given that they voted without a problem for, for
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And, uh, so it just, it was one of those stories that the headlines, one of those cases that the
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headlines turned into a controversy, but it really wasn't a controversy at all.
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Um, so with an election coming up and you guys, are you guys voted on a Supreme court?
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So, yes, uh, we are subject to retention, um, every six years and yours truly is one of
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those justices up for election, uh, up for retention this year was a very spirited campaign,
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uh, against me from, uh, self-described progressive groups.
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Well, I mean, all you had to say, you had me at Goldwater Institute.
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Uh, so I, I, you know, I, I'm, I'm, I'm for you, uh, Clint, um, how, how confident are
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you that we can have a fair election this time in Arizona?
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Well, you know, I'm not on the ground, I'm not involved, um, you know, and in the day
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to day and, you know, one of the things that I've been doing is encouraging people to volunteer
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as poll workers, um, you know, and, and other jobs that take place on election day.
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The best, the best place to be on election day, if you have concerns about election integrity
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And, uh, I've been very heartened that, uh, both political parties, both major political
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parties have really been, uh, encouraging, uh, volunteers to do that.
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And, uh, when I hear that sort of thing, it gives me, it gives me confidence that, uh,
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And, uh, you know, if, if there's anybody who is on the right that has misunderstood this,
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uh, which I think are probably a lot of people cause it was everywhere.
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Uh, and I, I apologize again, I don't know exactly what we said, but let's just assume we
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were one of those who believe the, uh, headlines apology, uh, to, uh, uh, to our audience and
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I'm glad you reached out to us so we could set the record straight.
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Glenn, I am so, I, you know, I, I am so glad that, uh, that you gave me the opportunity.
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I'm sure it's not every day that a judge contacts you and says, uh, Hey, this is, uh, this is
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So no, I, and I pre I, I invite anyone, if we get something wrong, I am not afraid of correcting
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So, uh, I appreciate that you reached out to us, uh, cause we will correct it.
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If, if everyone did that, we'd be, uh, we'd be in a much better place in our society right
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Clint Bullock, uh, he is a Arizona Supreme court justice and, uh, apparently running, uh,
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for, uh, reaffirment, uh, and, uh, let me just say Goldwater Institute.