The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Jack Carr & James Scott ｜ 10⧸3⧸24

00:00:00.000 On today's podcast, Pastor Winston Parrish gives us an update on the scene in North Carolina.

00:00:07.000 I'll be seeing things firsthand today.

00:00:09.440 I'm flying out to Asheville, North Carolina, with a plane full of supplies that the people there need.

00:00:17.920 It is a very frustrating and confusing situation, as you will hear in the podcast today.

00:00:24.980 But I am going there for one reason, to deliver supplies, but also to see it for myself and talk to people about some of the things that you're seeing online.

00:00:35.180 Are they true or not?

00:00:37.160 Also, Clint Bullock sets the record straight on something we got wrong with the Arizona Supreme Court.

00:00:42.940 Did they allow 98,000 illegals to vote?

00:00:48.060 No.

00:00:48.760 And Jack Carr, James Scott, talk about the previously untold story that led to the war on terror.

00:00:55.380 And don't forget to check out the full show, the whole podcast, for more.

00:00:58.680 But this is the best of the Glenn Beck Podcast.

00:01:02.440 Let me tell you about Relief Factor.

00:01:04.100 Grace wrote in a while back about her experience with Relief Factor.

00:01:08.000 She said, I lived for decades in a lot of extreme pain with my lower back and legs.

00:01:13.120 I heard about Relief Factor on your show, so I tried it.

00:01:15.600 I tried the three-week quick start.

00:01:16.900 Within a short time, even people at work were noticing that my pain was gone.

00:01:21.780 Personally, I am so grateful to Relief Factor.

00:01:24.980 But I got my life back.

00:01:26.300 I never thought that was possible.

00:01:28.640 Relief Factor is a daily supplement that helps your body fight pain by fighting inflammation,

00:01:33.920 which is the source of most of the pain in our bodies and a lot of our disease as well.

00:01:38.900 It's 100% drug-free and developed by doctors to help reduce or eliminate our pain.

00:01:43.780 Over a million people have tried Relief Factor's quick start kit,

00:01:47.480 and 70% of them have gone on to order it again and again.

00:01:51.680 So stop masking your pain and start fighting back naturally.

00:01:55.880 Give Relief Factor a try.

00:01:57.820 Right now, their three-week quick start is only $19.95.

00:02:01.160 That's less than a dollar a day.

00:02:03.000 Visit relieffactor.com or call 800-4-RELIEF.

00:02:06.640 That's 800-4-RELIEF. 0.91

00:02:09.420 Relief Factor.com.

00:02:18.960 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:23.280 So today, I'm going out with Mercury One and Corey Mills.

00:02:29.120 We have loaded up a large plane here in Dallas, and we're taking off in a couple of hours.

00:02:38.040 And I'll be on the ground three hours later in Asheville.

00:02:43.420 I think we're flying into Greer, which is the closest we can land a fixed wing plane.

00:02:51.000 And then we're taking helicopters back and forth to deliver the supplies.

00:02:57.140 And hopefully, you know, Corey Mills has been out there every day.

00:03:01.360 He's running for office.

00:03:02.980 You know, he's in the middle of a campaign.

00:03:05.480 His campaign is like, Corey, you can't leave the state.

00:03:08.160 I mean, we're in the middle of a campaign.

00:03:10.160 And he's like, you know, how do I face the Lord, you know, on Judgment Day?

00:03:17.200 You know, I could have helped those people, but I had a campaign to run.

00:03:21.540 This guy is an amazing guy.

00:03:23.100 He's the closest thing to an American or Captain America, I think, that we have.

00:03:31.060 But thank you, Corey, for everything that you are doing.

00:03:34.980 He's rescuing people from the helicopters.

00:03:38.820 I mean, it's amazing.

00:03:40.400 Yesterday, my security staff called and said, Glenn, we have to take a couple more protectors.

00:03:50.720 And they're actually starting to look for people who are former special forces that can help protect some of the food and some of the supplies.

00:04:02.200 The National Guard's not on the ground.

00:04:05.600 Now, Stu, what happens when people know that no one's coming to help?

00:04:12.800 What happens?

00:04:13.500 And how long does it take?

00:04:15.780 Society breaks down, right?

00:04:17.480 Yep.

00:04:18.180 And it usually breaks in.

00:04:19.500 It's 48 hours and gets worse and worse after that.

00:04:22.480 Yeah, 72 hours.

00:04:23.920 If you want to be someplace safe and you don't have electricity, you don't have cops, you don't have anything, you better be out of that place by 72 hours or it's the Wild West.

00:04:35.640 That's how this has been described to me, as the Wild West.

00:04:41.280 There are, well, and let me just give you a couple of, let me give you a couple of things that I have received from the ground.

00:04:49.900 And I want to make this really clear.

00:04:52.720 However, I have talked to some of these people, and I know that the people that I know have talked to people on the ground, been on the ground.

00:05:07.660 And I cannot give you the names because at this point, I'm told they don't want to be identified, and I completely understand that.

00:05:16.980 But I want to give you a couple of things that we are hearing about.

00:05:22.860 There are two reports that I have first, one from eastern Tennessee and the other one from Asheville, North Carolina.

00:05:29.320 The first one is from Tennessee.

00:05:32.520 FEMA.

00:05:34.520 FEMA.

00:05:35.840 Pardon me?

00:05:37.000 Yeah, I know.

00:05:38.080 FEMA is being, people are starting to say that FEMA is taking away food.

00:05:44.980 It's not FEMA.

00:05:45.900 I even made this mistake this morning.

00:05:47.640 It's not FEMA.

00:05:49.160 The accusation is actually TEMA, the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency, which I think makes this worse.

00:05:58.800 They are telling churches, and we have four sources, and some of them churches, some of them not churches, four sources that do not want to be identified for fear of reprisal from the government,

00:06:13.360 that they are told they cannot take contributions from the outside of the state.

00:06:22.620 TEMA is the one, not FEMA, TEMA is the one taking the food away from people, and they're saying, we know where this needs to go.

00:06:32.200 You can't take the food from outside, you've got to take it from us, and it's horrible, and it's policy, apparently.

00:06:41.640 So they are taking the resources.

00:06:44.460 TEMA is under the state, and pressure needs to be put on the Tennessee elected officials to get these guys under control.

00:06:53.460 We put a call into the governor's office to let him know what's occurring under him.

00:06:58.820 State officials need to hear from the people to get the state bureaucrats out of the way. 1.00

00:07:03.920 Now, I have this, I have spoken to people who have spoken to the people, but we have Blaze, I'm bringing some reporters with us today, Blaze is already on the ground, been there for a while, but we're bringing more resources in.

00:07:22.620 And we're going to track these things down and absolutely verify.

00:07:28.020 I would normally wait before I would say something like this on the air, but people are dying because they do not have the resources.

00:07:38.740 There are people still in the hills that are completely cut off.

00:07:43.860 And without the National Guard, it's private helicopters.

00:07:48.840 It's people like you.

00:07:50.300 It is because of you that we have two helicopters, giant rescue helicopters, operating in daylight hours as much as they possibly can.

00:08:04.280 And that's because of you.

00:08:06.480 We need more helicopters, and we will supply those as more donations come in.

00:08:13.260 If you would like to be a part of the solution and not the problem, this is such a bad thing and a good thing at the same time.

00:08:22.800 Our government is betraying us.

00:08:26.080 But on the good side, we're seeing people rise up and do amazing, amazing things.

00:08:34.400 Now, one lady was serving food to children at the local school. 0.95

00:08:38.940 She said Tima came in and just took all the food.

00:08:41.720 Several folks that were interviewed made statements of disappointment in Tima, but they want to remain anonymous.

00:08:48.160 Now, on the North Carolina side, there's some really good things that are going on.

00:08:55.360 There's this one pastor.

00:08:59.900 In fact, we're going to bring him on here.

00:09:01.040 150 homes are just gone.

00:09:04.380 They're missing.

00:09:07.080 They need money for all of the special requests.

00:09:11.560 They're providing prescriptions.

00:09:13.560 I know I don't have an update yet on Jace Medical, but I think Jace Medical is going to be supplying medicine that we're flying in as well.

00:09:21.040 I mean, if you don't have insulin, you have no way to refrigerate insulin.

00:09:25.280 What are you doing?

00:09:26.840 What are you doing?

00:09:28.020 I mean, people are dying because of this.

00:09:32.320 They also need special equipment, et cetera, et cetera.

00:09:37.620 We have so much going on.

00:09:39.360 I have to get to Chris Martinson here in just a second.

00:09:43.680 What he has published is shocking and horrifying.

00:09:48.160 But I want to bring on Winston Parrish.

00:09:50.220 He is the senior pastor at Trinity Baptist Church.

00:09:55.640 Pastor, I can't thank you enough for holding your community together.

00:10:00.100 I know you are tired.

00:10:02.240 I've talked to people who have talked to you, and they say, you know, five minutes on the phone with the pastor, you get about 10 seconds because everybody's asking for something, and you really kind of have a command center there.

00:10:17.160 So thank you for that.

00:10:18.760 May God bless you for that.

00:10:19.860 Yes, sir, Glenn.

00:10:20.700 Thank you for having me on, and I appreciate your prayers.

00:10:23.780 More than all, God's giving us strength.

00:10:25.760 He's giving us wisdom and discernment that's above ourself or above our ability, and we're just honored to be serving.

00:10:34.520 So tell me the situation.

00:10:37.800 First, let's start with some good news.

00:10:39.480 Tell me what you're seeing from the people.

00:10:43.000 Glenn, I'm seeing the people come together in a way maybe that I've never seen in this area before.

00:10:48.320 There's just a camaraderie and a sense of community that really has never been this visible.

00:10:56.800 It's quite incredible to see how people are caring for one another, loving one another.

00:11:02.380 And that's the good side.

00:11:04.720 There's been some violence.

00:11:06.080 There's been some looting.

00:11:07.100 But I would say the good outweighs the bad on that end, and we're thankful for the 500 extra law enforcement officers that have poured into our community to keep us safe.

00:11:17.240 So on that end, there is some good news.

00:11:20.500 We are hearing from people that were presumed dead or missing that were finding out they're at a shelter or that they made it out before the floodwater hit their home.

00:11:31.960 And so there are some bright spots.

00:11:34.240 I think the greatest news is that God is still in control.

00:11:38.640 There is chaos.

00:11:39.840 There's pandemonium.

00:11:41.080 There's heartbreak.

00:11:43.060 But God hasn't abdicated the throne.

00:11:45.940 He's in control this morning, and that's where our peace is.

00:11:50.720 Have you seen the federal government anywhere yet?

00:11:54.280 I personally have not seen anyone from FEMA.

00:11:58.260 I did have our congressman, Chuck Edwards.

00:12:00.660 I was thankful to see him here yesterday in Asheville.

00:12:04.840 And he was here on campus with us, with our team, for over an hour, maybe even more, and was listening directly to those needs.

00:12:13.760 And I was thankful for his office.

00:12:16.420 I've already heard a couple times from his office this morning, and they're helping us with specific needs.

00:12:22.580 And I'm thankful for that.

00:12:23.980 Other than him and our local government that's done an incredible job with what they have, that's the only government official I've heard from at this point.

00:12:34.140 Winston, I have to tell you, I am just so disappointed in our country.

00:12:44.300 I love the people because I'm not disappointed in the people.

00:12:47.820 But our government, this is absolutely shameful for what is happening.

00:12:53.420 You guys are cut off from the world.

00:12:56.180 I'm hoping that I'll be able to see you today.

00:12:59.320 What can we bring you?

00:13:00.500 What do you need?

00:13:01.500 Glenn, we are blessed right now.

00:13:05.640 There are churches all over the southeast that have come together to help Trinity Baptist Church here in Asheville get the supplies out to the fire departments, the communities that need it.

00:13:17.220 At this point, the requests that are coming back, our church campus has turned into an operations center.

00:13:23.660 The National Guard is here.

00:13:25.020 We have task force from all over the country that are housed here.

00:13:30.960 My sanctuary now is a massive dorm for over 100 rescuers, National Guard.

00:13:37.620 And we're taking care of them here, trying to keep themselves efficient.

00:13:42.160 Our water system here in Asheville is in ruins, and the water department is doing their very best to get water back on.

00:13:48.260 And so over the last two days, we have been drilling wells here on our church property.

00:13:54.400 We're waiting on the test to come back so that we can start drinking that water.

00:13:59.520 So we're working on getting as much resource here as we can.

00:14:03.880 The big thing right now that I've heard, I've heard from nine different fire departments this morning, they need things like freezers.

00:14:12.860 They need things like refrigerators. 1.00

00:14:15.120 They need new boots.

00:14:17.420 These guys have had wet feet, and these gals have had wet feet for a week now. 1.00

00:14:22.840 And so some of their boots are ruined.

00:14:25.580 Some of their boots are gone.

00:14:26.640 It's full of river mud and muck.

00:14:28.860 And so I have an order for dozens and dozens of station duty boots.

00:14:35.060 I have a tractor trailer load of ice that's coming today.

00:14:38.020 There are very specific needs throughout Western North Carolina that we're trying to meet today.

00:14:43.340 And we're here to support emergency services.

00:14:46.400 We're here to support local fire departments.

00:14:49.040 There is no red tape here.

00:14:50.880 There's no bureaucracy here.

00:14:53.160 This is just a local church trying to do its best to level in its community.

00:14:57.720 And the need is great.

00:14:58.860 I have about nine pages worth of printed requests from these departments.

00:15:03.500 So I'm doing everything that I can, and we'll keep doing what we can as long as the resources are available.

00:15:10.460 Winston, there are millions of people listening.

00:15:15.940 Is there anything on your list that you need help with that we can take care of for you?

00:15:22.480 If we can find freezers, boots, if we can find a supplier maybe that would like to help us with good waterproof station duty boots,

00:15:37.820 that is a need in multiple, multiple places.

00:15:40.800 And then a lot of the other requests that are coming in, we're taking care of ourselves here at the church.

00:15:46.560 And we're just trying to do our very best.

00:15:50.860 There's other needs, obviously, that some of them are firemen's homes and things that are weeks down the road.

00:15:57.680 I just talked to a fire chief a few minutes ago.

00:16:00.300 There's still a community here in Buncombe County where folks are unreachable because of how much mud and how much debris is blocking the roads.

00:16:11.760 The roads really don't exist anymore.

00:16:13.660 So one operation today is getting some of these people who are cut off, getting them food, getting them water.

00:16:21.040 There's a church there that's handling all of that.

00:16:24.300 We're supplying them with any need that they have.

00:16:27.280 And then, obviously, we're just going to buy as many refrigerators, freezers and boots,

00:16:32.920 some of these other items like beds and cots and mattresses.

00:16:37.700 We're doing all that we can with what we have.

00:16:39.880 Thank you.

00:16:44.440 Thank you.

00:16:45.180 Truly blessing the community and giving us a chance to be blessed as well by helping you.

00:16:53.080 So thank you very much.

00:16:55.960 I appreciate it.

00:16:56.700 Thank you for your stand for Israel as well.

00:16:59.180 I know that's a separate issue than what we're talking about today.

00:17:02.660 But I do still greatly believe that if we'll bless Israel, God will bless us.

00:17:07.960 And I appreciate your stand with the nation of Israel, sir.

00:17:10.300 Thank you.

00:17:10.920 Winston, I hope to see you today.

00:17:13.600 God bless you.

00:17:14.380 We'll see you soon.

00:17:14.840 God bless you.

00:17:15.120 Yeah.

00:17:16.100 All right.

00:17:16.800 Here's what I would like to do.

00:17:18.800 I am leaving my plane in Dallas.

00:17:22.820 Takes off in about two and a half hours, I think.

00:17:26.220 Two hours.

00:17:26.760 I don't even know what station-ready boots are.

00:17:32.440 But if somebody does and they can get them to the Mercury Studios or, you know, if you can get them to us, let us know.

00:17:40.720 I'm landing in Greer, North Carolina with a fixed plane.

00:17:45.700 If you can get them there, I can put them on the helicopters and get them to these fire stations today.

00:17:53.360 If somebody wants to—I mean, Mercury One will buy all of this stuff.

00:17:58.840 So if you don't have connections for freezers or whatever, just call Mercury One and make a donation at mercuryone.org.

00:18:09.060 It's on the front page, mercuryone.org.

00:18:12.140 And we'll buy the freezers if we have to.

00:18:14.660 If you have a connection and you're like, I can get freezers really cheap and they're all really good and everything, please notify Mercury One.

00:18:24.020 But we are—our job is to help people like Winston Parrish.

00:18:32.300 He's on the ground.

00:18:33.800 He's getting it done.

00:18:35.400 Let's help him help his community.

00:18:39.100 MercuryOne.org.

00:18:42.340 Make no mistake, the left is on attack when it comes to the issue of abortion. 0.92

00:18:47.160 They're not just interested in protecting the right to murder babies.

00:18:50.480 It's more insidious than that.

00:18:52.140 They're doing their best to take away even the right to protest the evil things they're standing up for.

00:18:58.320 I am proud to partner with the country's largest pro-life organization, maybe the largest in the world.

00:19:04.120 They're leading the charge to put an end to abortion every day. 0.94

00:19:07.860 They sponsor free ultrasounds for women as well as providing help for them for up to two years after the baby is born.

00:19:14.780 They don't just advocate for the baby's life and then forget about them once they're born.

00:19:18.860 And that's what the left says we do.

00:19:21.760 But it's not.

00:19:23.020 When a mom sees her unborn child on that monitor, she hears the heartbeat.

00:19:26.780 She's twice as likely to consider choosing life for her baby. 1.00

00:19:30.020 But many of them then say, but I don't have any support mechanism.

00:19:34.980 Well, you do now.

00:19:36.080 Preborn.

00:19:36.520 Please donate by dialing pound 250.

00:19:39.580 Say the keyword baby.

00:19:40.840 That's pound 250 keyword baby.

00:19:43.360 Or go to preborn.com slash Beck.

00:19:45.820 That's preborn.com slash Beck.

00:19:48.400 Sponsored by Preborn.

00:19:49.880 Now back to the podcast.

00:19:52.900 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:00.420 My man, Jack Carr.

00:20:02.600 Hello, Jack.

00:20:03.260 How are you?

00:20:03.660 Great to hear your voice.

00:20:07.300 And thank you so much for Salt Lake.

00:20:09.860 It was great seeing you down there.

00:20:10.760 It was great to see you.

00:20:11.660 Where do you live?

00:20:12.440 Do you live in that area?

00:20:13.960 In Park City.

00:20:14.840 So just about 35, 40 minutes up the road.

00:20:17.280 Wow.

00:20:17.840 Wow.

00:20:18.200 Okay.

00:20:18.840 Well, we have to get together sometime.

00:20:20.780 I love meeting your family.

00:20:21.960 They're just great.

00:20:23.660 Thank you.

00:20:24.260 So let's say how to your co-author here, James Scott.

00:20:27.240 Hi, James.

00:20:28.380 Hey, Glenn.

00:20:29.000 How are you?

00:20:29.340 Thanks so much for having us on this morning, man.

00:20:30.740 Oh, you bet.

00:20:31.380 You bet.

00:20:31.660 Um, so, uh, I, uh, I got your book, um, about, um, Beirut targeted Beirut.

00:20:39.760 Thank you for telling this story.

00:20:41.340 This is a story that most people don't know.

00:20:44.520 Um, I mean, this is, I've been talking about this for years.

00:20:47.320 This is where Osama bin Laden went, wait a minute, I can move the giant, correct? 0.99

00:20:55.640 Exactly.

00:20:57.580 And a host of other countries, proxy groups, terrorist organizations around the world, uh,

00:21:02.000 because it was really an operation that would set the rules for the next 40 plus years, uh,

00:21:08.460 set the paradigm, set the model that the United States has been interacting with Iran, with

00:21:13.140 its proxies with ever since, and to a lesser extent, Israel.

00:21:15.660 Uh, I'd say they have, uh, they have been shifting those rules over the past couple of months,

00:21:20.540 but, uh, the United States is still playing by those rules that were established by Iran

00:21:24.260 in 1983 with the bombing of the head Marine headquarters and barracks bombing, uh, on October

00:21:29.900 23rd, 1983, that killed 241 U S servicemen.

00:21:33.960 So, uh, when I pitched Simon and Schuster on this idea, when I thought I'd built up enough

00:21:37.940 political capital to be able to talk to them about the nonfiction series, uh, there was,

00:21:43.320 unfortunately, there were a lot of terrorist events to choose from.

00:21:45.660 And my idea was trying to capture the strategic, the operational, the tactical lessons learned

00:21:49.820 while also humanizing these different events.

00:21:52.300 And I kept coming back to Beirut 1983 because it was such a pivotal point in our relationship

00:21:58.160 with the Middle East.

00:21:59.320 Uh, and, uh, we've been really playing by those rules and by that model ever since.

00:22:03.960 Okay.

00:22:04.260 So James, maybe you can tell us what, what exactly happened, uh, that, that moved the world's

00:22:12.700 terrorists. 0.53

00:22:14.460 Yeah.

00:22:14.980 So what you got to remember is like 1983 in Lebanon, I mean, it was just absolute chaos.

00:22:19.980 I mean, you had a civil war going on between the Christians, the Sunnis, the Shias, you had

00:22:24.260 the PLO was, was in the process of leaving, you know, the Israelis had been at war against

00:22:28.380 the PLO.

00:22:29.160 Uh, and of course, in this chaos, Iran saw an opportunity. 0.98

00:22:34.020 And in 1982, they sent in about 800 Iranian revolutionary guardsmen into this remote sort

00:22:40.740 of lawless region in the corner of Lebanon up near Syria, basically to start building a

00:22:46.420 terrorism infrastructure.

00:22:48.140 And they capitalized on the, uh, the discontent of the downtrodden Shias, uh, and started training 0.98

00:22:55.300 them.

00:22:55.900 And, uh, and so they built a couple of homegrown terror groups during that time period.

00:23:00.080 And those groups would eventually merge and become Hezbollah.

00:23:03.700 And of course, Hezbollah was behind the attack on the Marines on that Sunday morning in October

00:23:08.460 and an earlier attack, 188 days earlier, uh, against the United States embassy there that

00:23:14.380 killed 63 people, including 17 Americans.

00:23:16.880 So this is really the birth of Hezbollah, which of course is a key Iranian proxy, uh, in which

00:23:24.020 during that one year, 1983, they killed and injured hundreds of Americans.

00:23:30.040 So it wasn't just that they killed hundreds of Americans.

00:23:33.980 And it's strange because you would think when you think of Ronald Reagan, you think of, you

00:23:39.780 know, this guy doesn't screw around.

00:23:41.780 Uh, he's going to take care of it, but what did he do?

00:23:46.360 Yeah, that's the whole, that's the whole thing that taught, uh, taught Iran, uh, that 1.00

00:23:50.660 terrorism works more specifically.

00:23:53.100 Terrorism works through its proxies because there was never a U S retaliation.

00:23:56.800 There was never a U S response.

00:23:57.980 There was a lot of tough, tough talk out of the administration in the direct aftermath of

00:24:01.760 the event.

00:24:02.140 But then we leave very quietly in early 1984.

00:24:06.160 And of course, Iran took that lesson, which allowed them to then set the rules. 0.83

00:24:10.020 Why did Reagan do that? 1.00

00:24:12.980 Why didn't we react the way a superpower would?

00:24:17.140 Yeah, I'll jump on that one.

00:24:18.520 Yeah.

00:24:18.780 I mean, what happened is there was an internal dynamic that was playing out inside the white 0.80

00:24:22.780 house and you had on one side of it, you had the joint chiefs of staff and the defense

00:24:27.080 department, Caspar Weinberger, who really never wanted to be in Lebanon to begin with.

00:24:31.380 They saw Lebanon as a, uh, a sideshow from the larger cold war struggle against the Soviet

00:24:37.640 Union.

00:24:38.040 And they also feared that Lebanon would open up America to the exact kind of attacks

00:24:43.280 and entanglement that happened there.

00:24:45.380 And they didn't want to see U S forces siphoned off into this smaller conflict.

00:24:50.660 And so they were very much advocating, we got to get out.

00:24:53.780 They never wanted to be there all along.

00:24:55.460 They were pushing for us to get out, et cetera.

00:24:57.080 The opposite side of that was Secretary of State George Shultz and National Security Advisor

00:25:01.700 Bud McFarlane, who really saw an opportunity for nation building here and to sort of prop

00:25:07.060 up a stable, peaceful ally on Israel's northern border.

00:25:11.400 And so this internal clash between these two parties sort of led to the stalemate and basically

00:25:17.920 the paralysis of the decision-making process in Washington.

00:25:22.120 In the end, the reason we didn't retaliate, it came down to Weinberger.

00:25:24.900 He's the one who literally killed the operation.

00:25:27.880 And there was an operation that had been planned by the national security council.

00:25:31.140 Uh, everything was a go.

00:25:32.420 We were going to do it with the French. 0.98

00:25:33.680 And in the end, it's Weinberger personally who kills that.

00:25:36.400 And, and I think his rationale for that, he kept arguing at the time we needed more concrete

00:25:40.780 proof exactly who did it.

00:25:42.400 You know, the kind of legal standard you would have at the U S court that's often not there

00:25:46.640 in terrorism.

00:25:47.400 But I think really the reality is he didn't want us to go up that escalation ladder any further.

00:25:52.440 It was better to cut our losses and get out rather than risk, you know, a retaliation

00:25:57.660 that leads to another bombing that leads to another attack somewhere in the world on

00:26:00.940 U S forces.

00:26:02.200 So I know this is pretty impossible to, uh, you know, to, to come up with the, you know,

00:26:07.940 the right answer.

00:26:08.680 Um, but what do you think would have happened if we, if we wouldn't have listened to Weinberger?

00:26:17.240 Well, it's quite possible.

00:26:18.580 Things could have escalated into a regional war or, or it could have sent the message that,

00:26:24.860 uh, the price of attacking U S forces is so high that it is not worth it for you, Iran, 1.00

00:26:32.100 for your proxies or for other terrorist organizations around the world, especially if we kept them on

00:26:37.480 their heels with some of the things that Israel has been doing lately with the pager attack,

00:26:41.480 with the handheld communication device attack, with special operations missions, targeting

00:26:45.360 key leaders and targeting, uh, mid-level fighters.

00:26:48.080 Uh, if we had done that and not allow things to escalate, but kept them on their heels, it

00:26:52.520 would have sent a much different message.

00:26:54.460 And what would have happened then compared to now?

00:26:57.520 I mean, now we, we attack Iran or, you know, we go after, you know, the proxies, uh, with 0.99

00:27:03.880 Iran hard like that. 1.00

00:27:05.540 And now it's probably a much different story than it would have been in the eighties.

00:27:10.340 It's a little different now because of the nuclear question, of course.

00:27:13.820 Um, so that's a, that's a factor in there as well.

00:27:16.820 Um, but that's, that, that is probably the biggest one.

00:27:19.200 They've been allowed to, uh, to continue developing that nuclear capability up to a point where,

00:27:23.940 uh, where they're on, on the cusp, um, but they've been on the cusp for a long time.

00:27:28.300 Yeah.

00:27:28.380 Can you, can you explain that, Jack?

00:27:29.720 Cause I, I have to tell you, I've been covering Iran for 25 years and I always hear they're 1.00

00:27:37.540 just weeks away.

00:27:38.540 They're just weeks away.

00:27:39.680 20 years.

00:27:40.220 They've been weeks away.

00:27:41.180 Right.

00:27:41.400 I mean, that's what makes it very hard to trust, uh, when intelligence agencies or a

00:27:45.860 administration official says that, um, so you don't know how you're being manipulated

00:27:49.920 or if you're being manipulated, but at the same time, you think, well, that they were

00:27:53.700 saying this 20 years ago, uh, well, even though they were saying it's weeks away, now Iran

00:27:58.260 has had 20 years of being able to do this, uh, and develop it.

00:28:01.760 So there's that side of it as well.

00:28:03.220 So, um, I don't have a good answer on that one, but I'm very aware that, uh, these devices

00:28:08.000 we carry around in our pockets and administration officials telling us things are certainly,

00:28:11.880 uh, uh, acts of manipulation in many cases.

00:28:15.000 I would think that if Iran has a bomb, I mean, there's, I believe them when they say Israel 1.00

00:28:21.060 will burn in the fiery furnaces of the Islamic fury. 1.00

00:28:24.540 I believe them. 0.89

00:28:25.920 Um, you know, that that's the, the, the nut jobs at the top, the real, the real religious 1.00

00:28:31.800 nut jobs, if they actually have control enough, they will burn it in the Islamic fury. 1.00

00:28:40.540 They will use a nuke because they think they'll hasten the return of the promised one.

00:28:44.460 Is that, is that your guys's read on this or not?

00:28:46.920 Oh, sure. 0.99

00:28:48.580 You might want to believe, uh, that neighbor that says he's eventually going to kill you. 0.99

00:28:51.960 Yeah. 0.96

00:28:52.480 Um, cause he eventually might.

00:28:54.820 Um, but we talked a little bit about the lessons that Iran learned and, uh, in, in writing this

00:28:59.200 book and in, uh, from my time in the military at the same time, I've, uh, I've always struggled

00:29:03.860 with why we fail to learn lessons from the past, uh, apply those lessons going forward as

00:29:09.520 wisdom or the current problem sets as wisdom.

00:29:11.380 So there's parallels there as well.

00:29:13.200 We put these Marines in Beirut, 1982, 1983 timeframe. 0.98

00:29:17.100 We put them in a tactically disadvantageous, untenable position.

00:29:20.660 And we did that same thing to us service members in Afghanistan, August, 2021, when it was

00:29:26.080 unnecessary, when we had Bagram, a tactically advantageous position.

00:29:29.700 And yet people in air conditioned offices, thousands of miles away from the battlefield

00:29:33.420 still put our us servicemen and women in the case of Abbey Gate in these tactically

00:29:38.160 disadvantageous positions in Beirut.

00:29:40.300 Same thing at Abbey Gate.

00:29:41.300 We have an explosion, bomb goes off, kills us service members in the case of Abbey Gate

00:29:45.300 kills innocent Afghan civilians as well. 0.83

00:29:47.820 Uh, but interesting thing happens in the aftermath of both events is that people blown

00:29:51.980 off their feet across the compound or airfield, uh, or hear the explosion.

00:29:55.440 They run to the sound of that explosion.

00:29:57.420 They run to the sound of the guns to try to save as many of their fellow brothers in

00:30:01.200 arms and the case of Abbey Gate brothers and sisters in arms as they possibly can while

00:30:05.360 holding security.

00:30:06.100 Cause they didn't know in both cases, if there were going to be follow on attack.

00:30:09.480 So that same U S service member who was out there in Beirut, 1983 is the same one that

00:30:14.340 was Abbey Gate at Abbey Gate, the same ones who's out there right now, standing close

00:30:18.560 around the world.

00:30:19.160 Uh, so let me ask both of you because, uh, James, you're a historian, you're a Pulitzer

00:30:25.200 prize finalist.

00:30:26.520 Um, and you've really done your homework on this, Jack, I'm, I'm sure you've done your

00:30:33.040 homework on this as well.

00:30:34.160 Um, but you, uh, the combination of the two makes the book a really good, uh, thriller

00:30:40.200 kind of read that's really, uh, heavy on fact.

00:30:43.960 Um, but, uh, let me ask both of you is speaking of lessons to be learned, what are the lessons

00:30:50.960 that you think we need to learn here quickly?

00:30:54.540 I, I feel we are a hair's trigger away from world war three.

00:30:59.220 Uh, uh, and I think there's just people that want it to happen.

00:31:03.540 What, what should we be doing right now that maybe we're not, uh, as it comes to learning

00:31:09.720 from history, James?

00:31:11.020 Yeah, no, I mean, Jack and I've actually had this discussion a lot in the last week

00:31:15.240 because I mean, there's always been sort of this acceptable level of violence that has

00:31:19.060 been allowed in the Middle East, you know?

00:31:20.740 I mean, this sort of tit for tat that goes on between Israel and its neighbors and its 0.65

00:31:24.620 proxies and, and the U S even allows, uh, attacks on us.

00:31:28.300 I mean, because at the end of the day, you know, we're the ones who have to protect, you

00:31:31.480 know, the Straits of Hormuz and make sure that the global economy doesn't go off the

00:31:34.680 rails and things like that.

00:31:35.680 So this acceptable level of violence is sort of has been the backdrop ever since 1983.

00:31:39.800 And of course, October 7th was a total game changer.

00:31:42.740 I mean, that was just a, a masterful operation by the terrorists, you know, using, um, you

00:31:48.080 know, gliders to get over walls, tunnels and things like that.

00:31:51.260 And of course, the, the, the, the body count on that was so extraordinary that Israel has 0.98

00:31:55.800 really, you know, gone in and cleaned house in Gaza and it has escalated now to the point

00:32:00.560 where, uh, it's becoming this, you know, they've, they've wiped out much of Hamas's,

00:32:04.500 um, infrastructure there.

00:32:05.960 You know, they've done the exact same thing with these just brilliant attacks recently against

00:32:09.420 Hezbollah.

00:32:10.280 Now Iran is feeling the pressure from its proxies.

00:32:13.580 Hey, you know, we're the ones taking it on the chin here.

00:32:15.440 You need to rise up.

00:32:16.560 Now they're sending in missiles against Israel.

00:32:18.800 So, I mean, this sort of acceptable level of violence is suddenly no longer what we're

00:32:22.660 playing with here.

00:32:23.480 I mean, it's, it's, it's on this total escalation ladder and, and the fear is, you know, where

00:32:27.960 does it go at that point?

00:32:28.840 I mean, does it explode into a larger regional war?

00:32:31.660 And quite frankly, in a lot of ways, we're, we're kind of off the map at this point.

00:32:35.680 Uh, so, I mean, every day is kind of a new addition to what's going on.

00:32:40.380 I mean, I wake up and look at the news every morning thinking, all right, where are we today?

00:32:43.760 Uh, you know, so I think it's, um, we're, we're a bit off the map here.

00:32:46.600 You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck.

00:32:49.280 To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts, wherever you

00:32:53.240 get podcasts.

00:32:55.580 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:32:58.000 Uh, you know, our job is getting harder and harder.

00:33:01.320 I just gave permission to hire yet another researcher, uh, this morning, um, because we

00:33:08.760 are just overwhelmed in stories that we don't know what the truth is.

00:33:14.560 You should see my, my email, my, um, uh, uh, my private messages, um, and even my text

00:33:24.000 messages from friends that I trust that are like, Glenn, I don't know if this is true.

00:33:28.700 I don't know either.

00:33:30.040 I don't know either.

00:33:31.200 And I know you're in that situation and we are going to go off the cliff if we can't

00:33:37.280 verify some things.

00:33:39.220 That's one reason I'm going to Asheville, North Carolina today.

00:33:43.160 I need to know, is this stuff happening?

00:33:46.160 Are there bodies, you know, in chimney rock that are still there?

00:33:50.680 You know, what, what is happening on the ground?

00:33:53.480 And we're bringing, you know, a plane full of, uh, supplies for them through Mercury one.

00:34:00.520 Um, but we have to, this, what I said in the meeting today, we have got to come.

00:34:05.780 And even if we don't talk about them, um, we have to find out, are these things true?

00:34:11.120 So, you know, if they're true or not, and we'll do our best, but it takes so much time.

00:34:16.140 We have so much going on.

00:34:17.480 I think it was like a week ago or so.

00:34:19.840 Do you remember the story that Arizona added 98,000 illegals?

00:34:24.340 I remember that being, yeah.

00:34:25.640 Okay.

00:34:25.940 Yeah.

00:34:26.240 I remember that headline.

00:34:26.740 And I think we talked about it, right?

00:34:28.200 Yeah.

00:34:28.660 I think we did at the time, uh, you know, and try to give perspective.

00:34:32.500 But I mean, I, people don't understand.

00:34:34.600 I mean, there's so much stuff for people to sort through right now.

00:34:37.680 If I remember the story right, it was hard to decipher.

00:34:40.880 And it's, I think why we didn't follow up on it at all, because we were like, I don't know

00:34:45.940 what's right in this story.

00:34:47.200 Let's, let's, let's lock it down.

00:34:48.620 Well, good news, uh, the, um, uh, the, uh, head guy of the Arizona Supreme Court, uh,

00:34:56.160 wrote to us, he's, uh, Justice, uh, uh, Bolick, uh, he joined the court in 2016.

00:35:03.700 Um, he previously co-founded the Institute for Justice and served as litigation director

00:35:10.420 for the Goldwater Institute.

00:35:11.820 So he's one of us.

00:35:13.520 Uh, he litigated constitutional cases from coast to coast, including the U.S.

00:35:18.160 Supreme Court.

00:35:18.860 He is not the Supreme, or he's not the Supreme Court.

00:35:22.420 Um, he's a Supreme Court justice, but he's not the chief justice now in, uh, Arizona.

00:35:28.000 But he says that story is wrong and he'd be the guy that knows, uh, Clint, welcome to

00:35:35.520 the program.

00:35:36.560 Oh, thank you so much for having me, Glenn.

00:35:38.920 And thanks for making the correction.

00:35:40.800 My boss, the chief justice would have, uh, would have, uh, uh, drawn and quartered me.

00:35:48.160 Uh, you know, this story was everywhere and I don't remember what we said.

00:35:54.100 We might've said that, yep, that's crazy.

00:35:56.360 And the Supreme Court's out of control.

00:35:57.640 I don't know what we said.

00:35:59.220 Um, but if we got it wrong, a, I apologize.

00:36:02.360 So let's correct it, uh, and correct all of the stories that were out there.

00:36:07.100 What happened?

00:36:08.940 Thank you so much for that.

00:36:10.840 And, you know, usually when a court issues, uh, controversial decision, they know it.

00:36:16.960 And so for a couple of days after we, we did not consider this to be a controversial decision

00:36:24.060 at all, but all of a sudden we were hearing from people and, and I was encountering people

00:36:29.940 who were saying we were letting illegal immigrants vote.

00:36:33.840 And, uh, I looked at the headlines that had come out and just, I've got one on screen in

00:36:40.300 front of me, uh, from Newsweek that says Arizona court says nearly a hundred thousand people

00:36:46.400 with unconfirmed citizenship can vote.

00:36:49.480 And so I can well understand why people got that impression.

00:36:54.300 Yeah, but the headline should have read, um, court, uh, Arizona court, uh, prevents, uh, disenfranchisement

00:37:04.180 of a hundred thousand people over computer error.

00:37:07.980 Um, and that's exactly what happened.

00:37:10.840 Uh, so Arizona is one of the few States that requires proof of citizenship before someone votes.

00:37:18.640 And when the law was passed, they, uh, assumed that people who had registered by 2005 were, uh,

00:37:29.200 were legal citizens.

00:37:30.740 So they didn't require you to show, uh, proof of citizenship unless you moved to a different

00:37:39.440 county or applied for a duplicate license.

00:37:42.860 And due to, uh, uh, a department of motor vehicles glitch, and I'm, I know that's

00:37:48.520 hard to believe.

00:37:49.380 Oh, no, it's hard to believe the government would do anything that had glitches in it.

00:37:54.340 So, yes.

00:37:55.940 So in any event, um, apparently a large number of people who were registered to, to, uh, uh,

00:38:04.200 to vote and who had driver's licenses before 1996 and who moved, uh, or got duplicate licenses

00:38:13.020 were never asked to prove their citizenship.

00:38:16.100 Now, most of these people have been voting for decades.

00:38:20.700 Um, and, uh, you know, so, so there's no indication that any of them are illegal immigrants,

00:38:28.200 but once this problem was discovered, uh, the County recorder of Maricopa County went to

00:38:34.800 court and said, all of these people should be removed and required to prove their citizenship 0.99

00:38:40.680 between now and the election.

00:38:42.720 And of course, the same people who made the mistake would have been in charge of, uh, of

00:38:48.800 making sure that, uh, those papers were shown by the election.

00:38:53.200 And just imagine if we had gone to election day and thousands, possibly over a hundred thousand

00:39:01.520 people who had been voting for decades were told, Oh no, we don't know whether you're a

00:39:07.200 citizen or not.

00:39:08.140 Uh, you know, and, and, uh, this is not, you know, so in any event, uh, we, it was a very

00:39:15.400 easy legal issue for us.

00:39:17.200 And it was the only election case, Glenn, that I can remember where the Arizona Republican

00:39:22.520 Party and the ACLU were on the same side.

00:39:25.960 They both said, please don't throw these people off the ballot.

00:39:29.740 And, uh, we, we discussed, we, we determined that we had no authority to take that many people

00:39:36.440 off the ballot.

00:39:37.120 You can, you can challenge individual voters.

00:39:40.300 Um, uh, if you, if you think that they are not, uh, citizens and after the election, though,

00:39:47.700 there will be an effort to verify citizenship, but, but most of these people would have had

00:39:53.560 no idea what was going on, you know, uh, given that they voted without a problem for, for

00:39:59.640 decades.

00:40:00.940 And, uh, so it just, it was one of those stories that the headlines, one of those cases that the

00:40:06.940 headlines turned into a controversy, but it really wasn't a controversy at all.

00:40:11.940 Um, so with an election coming up and you guys, are you guys voted on a Supreme court?

00:40:18.640 So, yes, uh, we are subject to retention, um, every six years and yours truly is one of

00:40:26.740 those justices up for election, uh, up for retention this year was a very spirited campaign,

00:40:32.600 uh, against me from, uh, self-described progressive groups.

00:40:37.480 Ah, great.

00:40:38.460 Well, I mean, all you had to say, you had me at Goldwater Institute.

00:40:42.080 Uh, so I, I, you know, I, I'm, I'm, I'm for you, uh, Clint, um, how, how confident are

00:40:54.260 you that we can have a fair election this time in Arizona?

00:40:59.900 Well, you know, I'm not on the ground, I'm not involved, um, you know, and in the day

00:41:06.560 to day and, you know, one of the things that I've been doing is encouraging people to volunteer

00:41:12.460 as poll workers, um, you know, and, and other jobs that take place on election day.

00:41:18.780 The best, the best place to be on election day, if you have concerns about election integrity

00:41:24.760 is on the inside.

00:41:26.920 And, uh, I've been very heartened that, uh, both political parties, both major political

00:41:33.380 parties have really been, uh, encouraging, uh, volunteers to do that.

00:41:39.300 And, uh, when I hear that sort of thing, it gives me, it gives me confidence that, uh,

00:41:45.420 uh, you know, that, that.

00:41:47.140 At least that step has been taken.

00:41:49.700 Yeah.

00:41:50.180 Yeah.

00:41:51.200 Yeah.

00:41:51.900 Yeah.

00:41:53.000 Uh, well, thanks for clearing this up.

00:41:54.800 I appreciate it.

00:41:55.660 And, uh, you know, if, if there's anybody who is on the right that has misunderstood this,

00:42:02.620 uh, which I think are probably a lot of people cause it was everywhere.

00:42:06.960 Uh, and I, I apologize again, I don't know exactly what we said, but let's just assume we

00:42:12.420 were one of those who believe the, uh, headlines apology, uh, to, uh, uh, to our audience and

00:42:19.540 to, uh, everybody in Arizona.

00:42:21.600 I'm glad you reached out to us so we could set the record straight.

00:42:25.080 Thank you.

00:42:25.780 Glenn, I am so, I, you know, I, I am so glad that, uh, that you gave me the opportunity.

00:42:31.180 I'm sure it's not every day that a judge contacts you and says, uh, Hey, this is, uh, this is

00:42:38.200 not correct.

00:42:39.220 So no, I, and I pre I, I invite anyone, if we get something wrong, I am not afraid of correcting

00:42:45.560 it and say we were wrong.

00:42:46.780 So, uh, I appreciate that you reached out to us, uh, cause we will correct it.

00:42:52.060 We will correct it.

00:42:53.060 Thanks Clint.

00:42:53.660 Well, and I, I am so grateful for that.

00:42:55.840 If, if everyone did that, we'd be, uh, we'd be in a much better place in our society right

00:43:01.800 now.

00:43:02.080 Yeah, yeah, we would, we would.

00:43:05.140 Thanks a lot.

00:43:05.920 I appreciate it.

00:43:06.780 Clint Bullock, uh, he is a Arizona Supreme court justice and, uh, apparently running, uh,

00:43:13.380 for, uh, reaffirment, uh, and, uh, let me just say Goldwater Institute.

00:43:20.260 Okay.

00:43:20.900 I don't think I need to say any more.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 03, 2024

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Jack Carr & James Scott ｜ 10⧸3⧸24

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript