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Aunt Jemima Butterworth is the latest in a long line of people to be fired from her job for a video she posted about the Black Lives Matter movement. James Lindsay, an academic who is an academic and has uncovered incredible bias in the world of science and research, goes into his new understanding of racism, systemic racism, institutional racism, and the differences between the two. Ben Dominich from The Federalist comes on the show to talk about how to deal with racism in America.
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Today on the podcast, we talked to someone who was fired from her job for posting a video
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about how Christians should approach the Black Lives Matter movement. We get into that.
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Also, James Lindsay, he is a guy who is an academic and has uncovered just incredible
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bias in the world of science and research. He goes into his new understanding of racism,
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systemic racism, institutional racism, and the differences. Ben Dominich from The Federalist
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comes on. His site was threatened to lose its revenue from Google News because I guess it was
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too hateful. In fact, the comment section was apparently hateful, which is a bizarre thing.
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And Mrs. Butterworth on the chopping block. We've already lost Aunt Jemima. That happened today.
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Now Mrs. Butterworth is the next one in the target. We'll get into that all on today's podcast. Make
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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By the way, let me just start with the French president, Emmanuel Macron.
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Macron announced yesterday, quote, we will be inflexible when it comes to tackling racism,
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anti-Semitism and discrimination. And new strong decisions will be made to reinforce the equality
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of chances. But this noble fight is perverted when it turns into communitarianism and into false
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rewriting of history. This is unacceptable. I will tell you very clearly tonight, my dear fellow
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citizens, the republic will not erase any trace or any name from its history. It will not forget any of
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its deeds or take down any statues. Now, I'd just like to point out this is France, the world's pansies.
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They're taking a stand. Good heavens, American men, where have you gone? France is shaming us. France, France.
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They'll surrender to a squirt gun. They're taking a stand. Meanwhile, in California, they're removing
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finally, finally, the statue of Columbus and Queen Isabella from the rotunda of the Capitol. It's only
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taken them like 138 years. That thing has just been screaming racism for 138 years. And they're just
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getting around. Well, I want you to know, California, I still don't forgive you. I still don't forgive you.
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You take down that racist statue from your return. You go ahead and and erase what those white people
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in Spain did. OK, what those Spaniards, which were very well, you are you, you can erase it, but you will
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never erase my memory of your racist erasing of racism. I'll tell you that right now.
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Good thing Macron wasn't around here because he would. Well, he'd actually. No, he wouldn't
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be on your side. Gosh darn it. Whoever thought we would look at a French president go, well,
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he's got balls. Stu, welcome to the program. I notice you're unusually quiet. Don't want
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to get don't want to get involved in any of this, do you? Sounds like a terrible idea. Yes.
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Yeah. So I'd like to invite you in on this one. PepsiCo
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no longer. Well, they're going to make the syrup. They're just going to put it into
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I don't know, maybe a maybe a bottle shaped like me.
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And you can pour your syrup out of my head, maybe. And I would take that. Colonel Sanders.
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let me be the spokesperson. So I'm offering my services
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standards, literally everyone on the planet who
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I don't think we should name it after anybody. We
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And I'm sure I'm sure the BLM activists would be
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fine having syrup poured out of their head, you
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thought about telling that story. I'm like, oh,
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you want I'm never going to tell that story. I'm
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Reagan on the phone with us. Hello, Reagan. How
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tickle the ears of those willing to listen. And
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they have to call for worldly virtuousness over
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motivational speech with scripture sprinkled in
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So you, the reaction, uh, when you posted this,
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you, you didn't think you'd get any blowback or
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much, you know, hold the same beliefs I do. Um, so I
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really was speaking to them. I did not expect it. Um,
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everyone, but I didn't expect it to blow up the
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backlash, um, excuse me, I got backlash probably
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for a solid 24 to 48 hours. And it just, it was a
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lot, but, um, I think it's something people needed
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You lost your job because somebody in your office,
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uh, saw this post and said, you are a racist and
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minutes, I'm told that you were in the office of
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the boss and they were talking about you and your
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Well, so it was actually an ex employee. So someone
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that I actually used to work with and, um, she made
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a post and called me racist, homophobic, and she
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know, the mob on social media knows where I work
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made death threats to the owners. And, um, it, I'm,
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I don't really know how bad it was. I know they
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had to get law enforcement involved to patrol the
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area and protect the building. Um, and it just, it
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So when you were brought in and you heard this, I
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anybody else. Um, were they, were they angry with
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Well, I think, I think they were, so I first, they
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first called me cause I've, I've been working at
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home due to all the COVID, um, regulation. And so
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they called me and said, you know, it's been brought
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to our attention about this social media post. We're
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going to put you on paid suspension until we complete
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an investigation. And so I kind of was just all
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day, you know, heart rate kind of going high and, uh,
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not really sure what to expect. And then by 5 PM that
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day, they called me back and said, you know, due to
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the measures we've had to take, we've come to the
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conclusion we have to terminate your employment. And
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I think it was something that they, they didn't want
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to do. Um, and I, and I could kind of hear that in
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their voice, but it was one of those things. They
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resigned. Yes, they did. Um, and that's a whole
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other thing. Uh, we, on the phone, they offered me
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appreciate that option. And, uh, I guess that they
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took that as a commitment. And so, and actually an
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hour later I called back and said, you know, I've
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made my decision. I'd prefer to be terminated. Um,
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but my separation notice does not say that. So.
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, you know, I've, I've
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kind of, the way things have gone down, you know, I
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feel like, and I don't have hard feelings towards the
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company I worked for at all. I mean, they have always
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been wonderful and taking care of me, but I do feel
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like this could have gone a completely different
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way. Um, I feel like they, they, they could have
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fired me and done what they did, or they could have
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protected me and, you know, press charges on those
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making threats because those really were the people
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in the wrong. Um, and so, you know, looking back, it's
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like, I don't think I wouldn't change anything. I
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did. I said what I said, I still stand by what I said
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to this day. Um, and if, and if the, if an employer, you
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know, is willing to let me go because of something I
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posted, not on company time, you know, not related to
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the company, I don't, it just kind of has solidified for
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means the, the fact that it's, it's, it's, I would, it's
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Regan, um, you are, uh, I think the first person I've
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talked to, um, that has, has actually, uh, live the
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scripture, uh, of, of he who will lose his life, uh, for
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my sake will gain his life. You are the, you're the first
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person that I, uh, think I've talked to Stu, correct me
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if I'm wrong, that has actually fit that scripture. And
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you've had the bravery enough, uh, you're been brave enough
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to stand up against the mob and say, I'm sorry, but the
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Lord would say this. And that is a big deal. There's a lot
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of cowards out there, many of us. And I, you know, I have
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been pushed to the wall, but I have not been pushed to the
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wall. Like even you have, um, I don't think, um, nobody's
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threatened enough. Well, no, I take that back anyway. But
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you, you really fit that scripture and, uh, congratulations.
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Congratulations. Keep it up. Thank you. You bet. The
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whole time all this was going on, I just kept thinking of
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John 15, where Jesus said, if the world hates, you know, that
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it hated me before it hated you. Um, yeah. And, and as
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Christians, we're expected, perceived, expected to have
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persecution. We're, we're guaranteed persecution as a
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matter of fact. Um, so, so, you know, the worldly reaction
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isn't really a surprise to me. I think what was a surprise to
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me were the number of people that I knew and grew up with who
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said they were Christians and who have, you know, studied
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scripture and I've been to church with them and they still,
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they have, have fallen for this social justice gospel.
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Yeah. Reagan. Thank you very much. Uh, Reagan SQ day. Uh, I
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will tell you the same thing that I said in 2000, I think
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nine, if you're going to a church and they're talking about
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social justice, uh, you need to, you need to do one of two
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things, uh, either run for your life or make your first stop
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your pastor's, uh, office or your priest's office and say, what
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do you mean by social justice? Uh, there is no such thing as
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collective salvation. There is no such thing as, uh, uh, the
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redemptive power of the whole. There is no such thing. I
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mean, it's amazing to me, the people who argue faith versus
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works over and over and over and over and over and over again
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will actually be the same people who are fighting for social
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justice. That's an affront to God. When someone says there
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is no forgiveness for this sin, which you didn't commit, you're
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asking to be, to, to bow down to an altar of a false God. And, um, I
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stand by what I said 11 years ago on social justice. It is, it is
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something that has been misconstrued. It started out as a good
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thing. I think started out as a good thing. Some people still are
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convinced that it means just help the poor, et cetera. It does not
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mean that anymore. And you need to know it and study it and get
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away from it. When I say study it, you better hurry because all of
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our history, our dictionaries, everything are being changed as we
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speak. You need to keep a diary on what is true and what you know,
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and do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity. I want to say
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something to you real quick. Uh, she said, don't have time. I just, I
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want you to be here with me on July 2nd. On July 2nd, we are going to be
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doing something that I think is, um, it's very reminiscent of the nine
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12 project show that we did. And I want you to gather your friends and I
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want you to, I want you to watch it with your family and your church. It's
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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James Lindsay. He is the author of cynical theories. He's also the co-founder of new
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discourses. Uh, and he has been, uh, causing quite a storm, uh, with some of his
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latest writings and tweets on the cult dynamic of wokeness. Uh, he, you know,
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of, you know, of him because, uh, he was, um, one of those guys that, uh, of the
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three, uh, scientists, including, uh, Helen, uh, pluck rose that, that, uh, put
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together these, uh, peer reviewed scientific papers, uh, and show that the peer
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review process was garbage. If you use the right language, he's taking it a step
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further now, not trying to dupe anybody. He's just, uh, explaining why wokeness is
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a cult. And he's here with us now to do that. James, how are you? I'm good. How
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are you? Well, I'm wondering how you think you're going to survive this one day at a
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time, I think. Yeah. So, um, you know, I, I, I've been following your tweets and been
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reading, uh, your articles on new discourses.com and you've come to the same
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conclusion that I have, uh, that this is absolutely a cult and, and a new religion,
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uh, that everyone is apparently jumping on the bandwagon for. Uh, and I wanted you to
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take us through, uh, your, your thinking on, uh, cults. And I think, what do you
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have? Uh, five, five different points on, uh, the cults and it, it starts with cult,
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uh, initiation. So talk to me generally about what brought you here and then let's
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get into the initiation. Okay. So several years ago, like you said, the, the social
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justice movement, as it sometimes gets called or wokeness, my colleagues and I
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noticed probably as early as 2013, that it's definitely got very religious
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undertones. And in fact, in 2014, 15 and so on, we started to develop those ideas.
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And in 2018, we started to go public with them. So we spent some time really
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looking into it. And so in early 2018, we did a talk, a public talk at Portland
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State University, uh, is intersectionality a religion. And we laid out some big
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parallels. We talked about how, for those of you out there listening to have a
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theological background, it has an Augustinian framework under it. It's based
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off of a very, you know, confessional model. You have to confess your original
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sin of racism and oppression and all of this. So we laid that out. Then I, I wrote an
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article in late 2018 in great detail, very long, 15,000 words explaining how it
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really is a religious movement. And like all religions, certain heretical cults
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can spawn within them. And so now we're facing what appears to be a very cult
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like set of behaviors. And like you said, the, I lay out three points that lead into
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a cult. And then there's two more points that talk about what a cult looks like and
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how you get out of it. And so the first stage coming into a cult is initiation.
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Um, the second stage is indoctrination and the third stage is reprogramming. So just
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kind of give the maps there. Uh, it's a slow process. It's gradual. It's not like, you
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know, somebody snaps their fingers and now you're in a cult. You don't like go to the
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grocery store, talk to the wrong person. And the next day, you know, you're wearing a
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funny uniform and handing over your kids or something. It's a slow process.
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This has been, and this is, this has been a very slow, this has been a very slow
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process, um, in our society, starting really with the PC movement. So it doesn't
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necessarily start out bad. Um, although I thought PC was, was pretty bad, but, uh,
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it, it played on our better selves to be, to be better. And we have slowly been, uh,
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boiled here to the point to where now you can look at the world and say, how is this
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changing so fast? This is exactly, there's a lot of people now in this cult, right?
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That's exactly right. There are a lot of people who are either in the cult, probably
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somewhere between five and 10% of the country is actually, you know, in the
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cult, which is, that's a lot of people. And it's tens of millions of people. And then
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there are many people beyond that who, you know, much like you would have like a, with
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the religion, you have people who are really into it. And then you have people
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who just kind of go to church sometimes, right? So you have these, these social
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justice people who just kind of, you know, they know the language, they have the kind
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of, you know, the moral impulse, but they're not really studying it. They're not
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deep into it. And now those people who are closer to it, who had some of the ideas
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who had taken up some of it, they're getting it full blast. And what happens in
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that cult initiation process is they start to full blast hit you with emotional
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vulnerability. They try to make you feel emotionally vulnerable. In this case,
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they're telling people, our whole society is racist. Racism is terrible. And you're
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complicit in that you have helped everybody be racist. You have made these
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terrible things like, you know, these claims about how, how black people are being,
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are being shot by police every day, which aren't true, but that's what they call
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their lived experience. You're complicit in that. That's what they tell people. So
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it creates an opening of emotional vulnerability. And the initiation process
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begins by creating and inflaming that vulnerable place and then sticking the
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cult doctrine in to make you feel better. So you'll take it up.
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So now did, so did we play into the initiation process in our own selves by
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allowing people to, uh, say that the whole country is racist and, and us kind of sitting
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here going, well, it's not, but I see their point on this and this. Did we kind of ease
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the, or grease, the grease, the rails here for them?
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Yes. And no, I don't think it's really fair to say that, that we did too much of that,
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but I will stick a couple of institutions or maybe three with, um, a lot of, a lot of
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blame on this because they didn't, they didn't try to say, okay, I see your point. Let's be
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reasonable. It's not, but they didn't do that kind of like, let me hear you out perspective,
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which I think is totally fair and reasonable from anybody. You have our universities, you have
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our, uh, schools and you have a lot of the, as, as you know, it often gets phrased mainstream
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journalism, the media that have all taken this stuff on whole hog. The media did it because it
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gets clicks, hot takes, get clicks. They get, they get views, they get ratings, lots of people pay
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attention. So it's kind of a perverse incentive there. The education program in the universities did
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it, however, because first they didn't have the gut to stand up to this crackpot theory that it
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all comes from. I've dedicated the last several years of my life to studying this crackpot theory
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under this cult and they didn't stand up to it when they should have, they didn't stop it when it was
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rising up. The last time anybody really tried to fight these ideas and what's called critical race
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theory in the academic literature was in the 1990s. They just kind of folded, let it go because they
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didn't want to be called racist. That's basically how this thing works is it, it doesn't really have
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any arguments. It's, it's cases are very weak. It does have a point each time it makes a point
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and people say, Oh, I see how you see that. Let's hear about it. But they, it's really like the worst
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possible way to analyze it. And then all these academics didn't stand up to it because they would
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get called racist. And then there maybe would be a department review. The next thing, you know,
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we had a Supreme court case and started installing these diversity offices, which gave it administrative
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power. And the university is basically just folded. And what happens in the university five to 10
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years later happens in culture. So here we are, you know, five to 10 years, 20 years later, and it's
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everywhere. So when we're going through the initiation stage, the reason why we're susceptible to this is
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because we do want to do the right thing. Like, you know, when somebody says, look, you, you're,
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you're on the side of racist. Nobody wants to be on the side of racist. Um, and you can't even
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understand, uh, how you're racist. Just help us dismantle the system. We're building a better world
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here that appeals to us. And so that's, we kind of can halfheartedly get into the front door like that.
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That's exactly right. And that's, I mean, I don't like to usually use words like this, but that's why
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this is actually an evil cult. That's why it'd be, I would say more cult than a religion. And it's
00:37:20.260
because it's playing upon people's best instincts to turn into something different. It's telling you,
00:37:25.340
no, we just want to get rid of racism, but that's not true. They write on almost every page of their
00:37:30.440
literature that they want a radical overhaul of the whole system that gets rid of liberal freedoms.
00:37:34.740
They say it explicitly. They do not just want to get rid of racism because they believe the first
00:37:40.540
pillar of this theory that's called critical race theory is that racism is the ordinary state of
00:37:46.100
affairs in American society. That's the first idea that they have. So the only way to get rid of
00:37:52.000
racism when they say, we just want to get rid of racism is to completely tear down the entire system
00:37:56.960
that we have back to the constitution and build a new one that they've wanted to socially engineer for
00:38:02.420
us. And it's evil because they play on our best instincts. They lie to us. And I mean that they
00:38:08.300
lie to us about what the word racism means, what the word white supremacy means, and they manipulate
00:38:13.420
our emotions. They play upon our willingness to do the right thing and then turn it into something
00:38:20.000
completely different. And I wish I was exaggerating. And like, like you said, you know, nobody wants to be
00:38:24.960
associated with racism. So they have this cultural nuclear weapon that calling somebody a racist. I mean,
00:38:31.700
you look at any example you want now, there are so many, you can't even pick one to just hone in on
00:38:37.180
where people are losing their jobs because somebody on the internet called them racist. So you can ruin
00:38:41.960
somebody's life with one accusation of racism. And then this cult tactic has ideas like white fragility
00:38:49.540
has this weird definition of racism, weird definition of anti-racism so that if they call you a racist and
00:38:55.920
you deny it now, all of a sudden that's proof that you're a racist. That's literally a witch trial.
00:39:01.700
So James, I'm going to come back. I got to take a one minute break for a sponsor, but
00:39:08.060
the other thing that they have going for them, you said they have a nuclear weapon. The other
00:39:12.980
nuclear weapon that they have is the media and culture. Nobody wants to be an outsider. Everybody
00:39:20.740
wants to be in the cool kid club. And if they call you a racist, you're away on the outs of all of
00:39:27.880
society. Um, but then also there's this reward that you're in the cool kids club. If you're,
00:39:35.380
if you're with them and that's what the media provides, I think, uh, that's what Hollywood
00:39:39.960
provides. And that is, that is extraordinarily powerful as well.
00:39:44.560
So I don't even know where to begin on this story. So I'm going to ask the guy who's involved
00:39:54.900
with this story to, uh, start us off. Ben Domenech. He's the co-founder of the Federalist,
00:40:00.180
uh, the podcast host for the Federalist radio hour. And, uh, we want to talk about Google attempting
00:40:07.300
to demonetize his website, the Federalist. Ben, how are you? Uh, I'm good. In fact,
00:40:14.300
I am talking to you wearing my Takovas right now. So I did not. Are you really? Yes, I really am
00:40:20.820
wearing them. They're really great boots, aren't they? They really are. They're great. They're
00:40:25.360
wonderful. You know, what isn't wonderful is, uh, is, uh, big tech and their, uh, animosity
00:40:31.360
towards anyone who conflicts with the narrative, uh, capitalize it. Uh, and, uh, in this case,
00:40:39.640
it really does look like NBC news, uh, irritated perhaps at our coverage of their, uh, really,
00:40:47.060
uh, I think, you know, terrible behavior over the last several couple of years, not just,
00:40:52.240
you know, uh, hiding the truth about Matt Lauer and, and Harvey Weinstein, but also of course
00:40:57.500
their activity when it comes to the Russia collusion hoax. And, uh, and, uh, more recently
00:41:02.880
they're pretending that, uh, these riots and violence playing out across America were in
00:41:08.960
no way connected to, uh, the protests. They, uh, attempted to come after us. And I think that
00:41:15.520
they, they really screwed up Glenn in a way that, that is backfiring. Uh, I know for a fact
00:41:21.200
that the, the top flight, uh, lobbyists at Google have been very active over the last
00:41:27.460
24 hours trying to prevent a crackdown from Capitol Hill. And I think that we're going
00:41:33.680
to continue to see, uh, this story play out over the coming, uh, weeks and, and, and months
00:41:39.000
even, uh, in terms of questions about what Google did, what they were intending to do.
00:41:44.520
And, you know, Glenn, it's, it's a real canary in the coal mine moment of, of waking up the
00:41:50.960
reality that these tech companies are going to come for all of us and they are going to do
00:41:56.500
so in ways that, uh, that really go after anyone who questions, uh, the narrative that
00:42:03.440
they have about the world that we live in and the country that we love.
00:42:06.840
Ben, I tell you, I am, uh, preparing for the day that you, the only way to reach me will
00:42:14.600
be to go and type in the address, Glenn Beck.com or the blaze.com. And even that is sketchy
00:42:22.240
that they will, there will be no social media that we will be demonetized everywhere. Um,
00:42:29.580
and on, and I think that day, Ben could happen, uh, a lot faster than we, we think, look how
00:42:36.740
much change has come in, uh, just the last, what, eight weeks. We're in entirely different
00:42:44.640
country talking about things that we wouldn't even thought rational eight months ago, six months
00:42:50.440
ago. You know, Glenn, I, uh, I look across this country and I believe that we're in very
00:42:56.360
much a cultural civil war. And I mean, as you know, uh, my wife, babe, McCain is, is the
00:43:03.460
only, uh, pro-life pro-gun woman employed by, um, any, uh, main channel other than Fox news,
00:43:11.360
uh, that is allowed on TV during the daytime. And I don't, I don't speak for her, but she has
00:43:17.300
been really woken up by everything that we've gone through in these past several weeks.
00:43:22.100
And she has asked me repeatedly, you know, uh, what do you think this looks like? What do you
00:43:27.360
think this is? Where do you think this is going? Do you think it's going to even be possible
00:43:31.380
to be someone who is pro-life or pro-gun on TV outside, outside of, of these institutions?
00:43:39.360
And I've just told her, no, I don't think so. I think that we are headed towards a moment
00:43:43.600
where you have to have the total institutional support of something that you've built Glenn,
00:43:50.060
or that I've built in the federalist or that others have built that can be behind you a hundred
00:43:55.460
percent because otherwise they will take you down. They will demonetize you. They will make
00:43:59.860
it impossible to do your job because they hate you. And it's, I mean, we, we would like to have a
00:44:07.540
situation where we could have a negotiation, where we could have a debate, where we could have a back
00:44:12.040
and forth. I mean, that's what we love as, as Americans who like debate. And I know you love
00:44:16.820
it, Glenn, but that's not possible with a mob that wants to destroy you, that wants to erase you,
00:44:23.300
that does not believe you should be allowed any platform for your ideas if they conflict with the
00:44:30.940
narrative. So tell me what you think here about the NBC news. Um, I don't even know what she was,
00:44:38.680
as a researcher or a reporter, uh, knew from, uh, at NBC VC, thanks to, uh, FS fake news and CCD hate
00:44:49.120
for their hard work and collaboration. And what she was saluting was the fact that you and zero head
00:44:56.800
would no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google ads.
00:45:02.340
Who is this person? I've never heard of this person before. She's a London based, uh, journalist.
00:45:10.640
And I do put that in quotes, uh, because I, I, I, I don't believe that she was acting as a journalist
00:45:16.560
here. She was clearly an activist and she was trying to be a platformist. Yes. And, and working with a
00:45:23.360
small leftist organization in the UK that attempted to come after us. And Glenn, here's, here's where I
00:45:30.420
think they screwed up. Here's the mistake they made. I think that the gap of knowledge in between,
00:45:37.380
uh, you know, across the pond between America and the UK meant that they assumed we were some
00:45:43.660
irrelevant blog that they could frame as being racist or unacceptable. Uh, when in reality, as you
00:45:51.480
know, uh, you know, we are well-connected, well-respected in terms of the world of Washington,
00:45:57.100
in terms of our coverage, uh, with people like Molly Hemingway and, and Sean Davis and others.
00:46:02.240
And so we had members of Congress and senators reaching out to us immediately. Ted Cruz sent a
00:46:08.360
letter this morning, uh, demanding, uh, to have some clarity from Google about what's going on.
00:46:13.680
Uh, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, and Marco Rubio are, are introducing legislation to crack down on,
00:46:20.000
on Google this morning. I think that this is a moment where we are going to have to come to grips
00:46:24.740
with the fact that these are the most powerful entities controlling, as you said, an enormous
00:46:29.500
percentage of the ad revenue, uh, an enormous percentage of the conversation. They are media
00:46:34.520
companies and they should be, they are the, yes, they are the public square. Now this is the public
00:46:42.640
square and they control all of it. And they said that their problem was with you and not any of your
00:46:49.440
reporting. It was some of the comments made by people reading, which I want to know, have they
00:46:55.560
demonetized YouTube? Have they demonetized Facebook or Twitter? Because, uh, Glenn, those are the most
00:47:05.280
toxic comment fields that you can find. And I'll, and I'll exactly right. We, we took our, we took our
00:47:12.640
comment section down for the moment, uh, because of this demonetization threat comments will be back.
00:47:18.820
I am not going to let them bully us out of having those. Personally, I don't really wade into
00:47:23.960
comments. I think that they're a little crazy, but you know, people blow off some steam there,
00:47:28.220
but my attitude is we should not have a situation where only people who are advocating for, again,
00:47:37.320
a questioning of their narrative, this leftist narrative about what we're going through.
00:47:42.040
They're the ones who have to respond for their comments, not the New York times, not the Washington
00:47:47.820
Post, not media, not YouTube, not any of these other places that they are perfectly comfortable
00:47:54.240
with Glenn. And, and to me, this is a sign of how they will utilize their lackadaisical approach
00:48:01.460
to rules where they just say, Oh, well, but you know, if you are center, right, then we're going
00:48:06.940
to go down chapter and verse. We're going to look through all these rules to find a way to screw you,
00:48:12.420
to come after you. Okay. But if you are on the right side of the narrative, Oh, that's fine.
00:48:18.840
That's just, you know, that's just the bait. We're letting that happen among your users. It's
00:48:22.820
ridiculous, Glenn. It can't be allowed to continue. And as you said, they have a monopoly on the public
00:48:28.000
square at this point. It's as if you had big paper, you know, like the inability to print anything
00:48:35.060
other than what they allow. Right. So the organization that went after you was started by
00:48:41.700
Amran Ahmed. I have no idea. Gosh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Anyway, he's a trustee of victim support,
00:48:53.180
which sounds wonderful. Sits on the steering committee for the commission of countering
00:48:56.760
extremism, the pilot task force there in London. And that's wonderful. He also authored the book
00:49:01.940
The New Serfdom, The Triumph of Conservative Ideas and How to Defeat Them. He wrote that with a
00:49:09.160
Labour Party MP, also a political advisor to the Labour Party. They also have big high-profile
00:49:17.300
supporters, such as the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is not an extremist at all. You have
00:49:29.160
one of the secretary of the Labour Party. You have several Labour Party activists, former speech
00:49:37.800
writer for Gordon Brown. This is a far, far left organization. I'm wondering where they get their
00:49:44.360
money. But it sounds to me as if this is a London version of Media Matters that is doing exactly the
00:49:55.320
same thing. And they're hammering places like Google, and Google is listening to them.
00:50:02.160
I mean, one of the things that we have to be mindful of here, Glenn, is that, you know,
00:50:06.120
these big tech companies, as many smart people as they employ, they're not very bright when it comes to
00:50:14.540
these political matters. And in this case, I think that they were easily manipulated by a bunch of
00:50:21.320
lefties who decided to, you know, in mass report a bunch of our comments or other content that we
00:50:28.680
had and basically say, why are you, why do you have any ads on this site? Now, I will say,
00:50:33.420
Google Ads is not our primary source of revenue, thank Lord. And so, you know, even if we had lost
00:50:38.840
them, we would be fine. But it's the sort of thing where it's more about the branding involved of
00:50:44.920
of saying, you know, oh, yeah, you're going to brand these folks as unacceptable for any ads to
00:50:50.500
run. And the left understands how to manipulate this scenario. They understand how to go into
00:50:58.200
these, these ad components, these communications shops, and put some things in front of them and
00:51:05.780
say, why are you running ads on this person's site or that person's site? And from my perspective,
00:51:11.920
the real situation here is we have the resources to fight back, but others do not. There are tons
00:51:18.120
of people out there, you know, small businesses and small blogs and individuals, professors and
00:51:24.780
the like, who could be demonetized by this, and they would not have the ability to get on the phone
00:51:30.440
with Ted Cruz and say, we're going to fight back. And that's the thing that I think we have to be
00:51:34.960
really concerned about, because that's going to continue. The left no longer believes in free speech,
00:51:40.100
they have ditched the old values of the ACLU. They have ditched the Bill Maher, the Howard Stern of
00:51:45.840
the 1990s. They have thrown them aside. They want to be coming after Howard Stern. Yeah, I know. It's
00:51:53.120
crazy. It's insane. Ben, thank you so much. And anything that we can do to support you guys at
00:52:00.340
The Federalist, we're all in this boat together. You just let us know, Ben, we stand behind you 100%.
00:52:05.740
Thank you. Thank you, Glenn. I truly appreciate it. God bless you.