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00:00:00.000 Today on the podcast, we talked to someone who was fired from her job for posting a video

00:00:03.700 about how Christians should approach the Black Lives Matter movement. We get into that.

00:00:08.620 Also, James Lindsay, he is a guy who is an academic and has uncovered just incredible

00:00:15.040 bias in the world of science and research. He goes into his new understanding of racism,

00:00:21.040 systemic racism, institutional racism, and the differences. Ben Dominich from The Federalist

00:00:27.040 comes on. His site was threatened to lose its revenue from Google News because I guess it was

00:00:34.500 too hateful. In fact, the comment section was apparently hateful, which is a bizarre thing.

00:00:39.400 And Mrs. Butterworth on the chopping block. We've already lost Aunt Jemima. That happened today.

00:00:45.300 Now Mrs. Butterworth is the next one in the target. We'll get into that all on today's podcast. Make

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00:01:30.740 By the way, let me just start with the French president, Emmanuel Macron.

00:01:38.120 Macron announced yesterday, quote, we will be inflexible when it comes to tackling racism,

00:01:47.900 anti-Semitism and discrimination. And new strong decisions will be made to reinforce the equality

00:01:54.920 of chances. But this noble fight is perverted when it turns into communitarianism and into false

00:02:03.840 rewriting of history. This is unacceptable. I will tell you very clearly tonight, my dear fellow

00:02:12.060 citizens, the republic will not erase any trace or any name from its history. It will not forget any of

00:02:20.040 its deeds or take down any statues. Now, I'd just like to point out this is France, the world's pansies. 0.97

00:02:30.880 They're taking a stand. Good heavens, American men, where have you gone? France is shaming us. France, France.

00:02:42.660 They'll surrender to a squirt gun. They're taking a stand. Meanwhile, in California, they're removing

00:02:51.980 finally, finally, the statue of Columbus and Queen Isabella from the rotunda of the Capitol. It's only

00:03:01.660 taken them like 138 years. That thing has just been screaming racism for 138 years. And they're just

00:03:12.100 getting around. Well, I want you to know, California, I still don't forgive you. I still don't forgive you.

00:03:18.420 You take down that racist statue from your return. You go ahead and and erase what those white people 0.99

00:03:27.060 in Spain did. OK, what those Spaniards, which were very well, you are you, you can erase it, but you will 0.85

00:03:38.740 never erase my memory of your racist erasing of racism. I'll tell you that right now.

00:03:46.360 Good thing Macron wasn't around here because he would. Well, he'd actually. No, he wouldn't

00:03:55.900 be on your side. Gosh darn it. Whoever thought we would look at a French president go, well, 0.98

00:04:02.560 he's got balls. Stu, welcome to the program. I notice you're unusually quiet. Don't want 0.99

00:04:12.140 to get don't want to get involved in any of this, do you? Sounds like a terrible idea. Yes.

00:04:17.940 Yeah. So I'd like to invite you in on this one. PepsiCo

00:04:21.220 has just announced that Aunt Jemima

00:04:25.540 is racist and they are going to

00:04:30.020 no longer. Well, they're going to make the syrup. They're just going to put it into

00:04:33.820 I don't know, maybe a maybe a bottle shaped like me.

00:04:39.500 And you can pour your syrup out of my head, maybe. And I would take that. Colonel Sanders.

00:04:45.200 I have been saying to KFC, I am

00:04:48.680 Colonel Sanders. Look at me for the love

00:04:51.200 of Pete. You are. You put a bucket in my

00:04:54.360 hand and a white suit and a little bolo tie

00:04:57.140 and I am Colonel Sanders

00:04:59.360 and I love fried chicken, but they won't

00:05:03.180 let me be the spokesperson. So I'm offering my services

00:05:06.340 to PepsiCo that they

00:05:09.220 can make a syrup bottle

00:05:11.220 in my shape. There's a lot of room

00:05:15.080 for syrup and I

00:05:16.600 and I know it's like the jumbo family 1.00

00:05:19.220 size. It's only available at Costco for

00:05:21.200 sure. Right.

00:05:23.400 Right. And you can pour the syrup right out

00:05:25.220 of my head. And that's

00:05:27.280 great. I can't believe. So I'm glad that

00:05:29.180 people is just

00:05:30.640 understanding this or like they've

00:05:33.260 had this product for a very

00:05:35.080 long time. It was created in

00:05:37.220 1889.

00:05:38.580 1889. So I don't know. I would say by today's

00:05:41.520 standards, literally everyone on the planet who

00:05:44.060 was on who was on the planet in 1889 was

00:05:46.500 probably racist by today's standards. So any

00:05:49.080 product from those days would be something

00:05:52.360 we'd have to eliminate right away. Maybe we

00:05:54.340 should just start deleting and changing all

00:05:56.040 the names of every products every two or

00:05:58.180 three years. That way we never run into this

00:06:00.240 problem again. I look

00:06:02.580 I don't think we should name it after anybody. We

00:06:05.100 don't shouldn't name anything after anybody or

00:06:08.540 build any statue unless

00:06:10.400 they're

00:06:11.520 you know, unless they're BLM 0.93

00:06:14.300 activists, you know, right?

00:06:16.920 And I'm sure I'm sure the BLM activists would be 0.99

00:06:19.980 fine having syrup poured out of their head, you

00:06:22.400 know, and and help Pepsi sell products. I'm

00:06:25.500 sure they would be happy with that. Oh, I'm

00:06:27.840 sure they would. I just can't understand the

00:06:30.000 reaction to this. I the idea that a product

00:06:33.000 that's been around since 1889 needs to go

00:06:35.480 away now because people are protesting

00:06:39.800 someone who was murdered by a police

00:06:43.040 officer like these these things don't

00:06:45.760 connect. They just they're removing a

00:06:48.860 statue. Have you seen the statue of

00:06:50.980 Isabella and and Columbus? Yeah, it's

00:06:54.340 enormous. It's enormous. Incredible. You

00:06:58.000 know, I have to tell you I would I would love

00:06:59.780 to tell you the story of the capital in

00:07:03.560 Washington, D.C. and and something a story

00:07:06.120 that most people don't know. But I honestly

00:07:08.640 thought about it today when I read that I

00:07:10.140 thought about telling that story. I'm like, oh,

00:07:12.120 you want I'm never going to tell that story. I'm

00:07:15.640 never going to tell that story because it

00:07:17.920 will it will absolutely move. It will move us

00:07:23.340 into people will say the Washington, D.C.

00:07:27.080 Capitol needs to be changed. Right. Yeah, no,

00:07:30.480 it's true. They're just changing

00:07:32.340 everything. Did you see the situation with

00:07:35.180 Bob Odenkirk and David Cross, the two

00:07:38.660 comedians? No. So I love these guys. Yeah. I

00:07:41.400 mean, hate me, but I love them. Mr.

00:07:43.820 Show with Bob and David was on HBO back in

00:07:45.840 the 90s. The greatest sketch comedy show of

00:07:48.400 all time, in my opinion, of all time in the

00:07:50.480 correct opinion. And they brought it back

00:07:53.200 for Netflix for a few episodes. By the way,

00:07:54.860 by the way, Stu will be rounding anybody up 0.99

00:07:56.920 and chopping their heads off if you disagree 0.99

00:08:00.280 with that. Anything. We have a little 1.00

00:08:02.000 different standards than the regular

00:08:05.500 protesters. We're just about movies,

00:08:08.120 entertainment and comedy. These are the

00:08:09.600 sorts of things that we can implement in

00:08:11.000 our new autonomous zone that we're putting

00:08:12.340 together. Yeah. But so there is a sketch

00:08:16.280 comedy show called Mr. Show with Bob and

00:08:17.720 David. They brought it back on Netflix in

00:08:20.020 2015 for like three or four episodes. It's

00:08:22.340 kind of like a throwback to it. And in one

00:08:25.740 of the sketches, and it's funny how fast

00:08:28.280 these things turn, but in one of the

00:08:30.460 sketches, there is a parody of basically

00:08:33.240 like a libertarian YouTuber. Remember, this

00:08:35.720 was a thing for a while where like

00:08:36.960 libertarian YouTubers would go out like

00:08:38.780 by police and they would film themselves

00:08:40.400 and they would kind of be antagonistic and

00:08:42.220 keep saying things like, look, it's my

00:08:44.480 right. If you have no right to ask me

00:08:46.480 what my name is and you have no right to

00:08:47.860 ask me to roll my window down and you

00:08:49.520 have no right to take my documents. I'm a

00:08:51.040 free citizen. The state law says, you know,

00:08:53.080 like that whole thing. So they're

00:08:54.260 parodying that phenomenon, which is funny

00:08:56.180 because to parody that phenomenon, you

00:08:59.440 have to make the police officers look

00:09:00.980 really nice and understanding, which is

00:09:03.580 the exact opposite of what how they are

00:09:06.800 portrayed today by entertainment. But so

00:09:10.000 they go through this whole sketch and he

00:09:11.580 goes through like a checkpoint, you know,

00:09:15.020 DUI checkpoint and he keeps trying to

00:09:17.520 antagonize the cop and the cops just

00:09:18.800 like you didn't do anything wrong. Like

00:09:20.780 he's totally playing along and not

00:09:22.140 caring about what all these like crazy

00:09:24.560 things he's trying to antagonize him

00:09:25.940 into. He wants to get himself filmed

00:09:27.200 being a victim of police brutality and

00:09:30.120 can't get it to happen is essentially

00:09:31.480 the sketch. So he goes through like five

00:09:32.900 or six times. Finally, on the last time

00:09:35.200 he decides to put on blackface and go 0.97

00:09:38.420 through as a black man. Right. And as he 0.96

00:09:41.920 goes through, then the white cop sees him

00:09:44.780 comes over. He's like, is this the guy

00:09:46.280 that's been coming through all these

00:09:47.140 times and starts spraying him with

00:09:48.540 pepper spray and drags him out of the 0.75

00:09:49.820 car and beats him up on the ground. Now

00:09:52.180 there's a bunch of points being made and

00:09:54.320 it's also just funny, but one of the very

00:09:56.820 fair points you could make from the

00:09:58.380 sketch is that he's saying black people 0.90

00:10:01.700 get treated worse by cops than white 0.98

00:10:04.140 people. Yeah. Right. And white cops are 0.99

00:10:06.500 the ones doing it, which is essentially

00:10:08.600 exactly what Black Lives Matter is saying

00:10:11.040 today. Right. Like, it's exactly their

00:10:12.800 point. Netflix has announced because

00:10:15.140 David Cross is wearing blackface in the

00:10:17.100 sketch, they're deleting the sketch from

00:10:18.500 the series.

00:10:20.260 Like, wait, he's making the same better.

00:10:23.340 I mean, that's better. Look, those guys

00:10:26.340 are so left. You know, they are. They're

00:10:28.800 always lecturing there. And these guys

00:10:32.200 will say, oh, well, they're just

00:10:33.340 canceling that sketch. We apologize for

00:10:35.740 that sketch. We shouldn't have done that

00:10:37.160 sketch. Now, they're pretty pissed off. And

00:10:38.420 they'll actually mean it. Well, they're

00:10:40.300 pretty, they're pretty pissed off about

00:10:41.720 it. Bob and David. They're like, oh, we

00:10:43.340 made these decisions intentionally. Like

00:10:45.460 we did not do it. You know, good for

00:10:47.040 you. Like they stood up for their

00:10:48.560 material, which they should again. Like

00:10:50.260 what is the problem with blackface? It's 1.00

00:10:52.300 not the paint, right? It's not the makeup

00:10:54.440 color. The problem with blackface is the 1.00

00:10:56.400 motivation behind it. I brought up an

00:10:58.080 example actually last night on Stu Does

00:10:59.520 America, Glenn, and it was you were the

00:11:00.940 one that made me think of it is because I

00:11:02.760 remember going to your house and

00:11:04.800 watching you burn American flags. And

00:11:08.920 it's like, holy crap, like I don't want 0.96

00:11:11.060 to burn American flags. That's a terrible 0.98

00:11:12.600 thing that's against America. We don't

00:11:14.200 want that to happen. I want to cancel

00:11:16.000 you for doing that. Well, when you

00:11:17.640 actually, it's not the burning of the

00:11:19.160 flag that's the problem. It's the

00:11:20.800 motivation behind the act. When you look

00:11:22.740 at the motivation behind the act, you

00:11:24.700 would say, Glenn, it was a, an official

00:11:27.020 retirement ceremony of a flag done with

00:11:30.800 military and police from around your

00:11:33.080 area to, uh, do you remember the

00:11:35.680 ceremony? You know, do you remember what

00:11:36.600 I'm talking about? No, we had the, we

00:11:37.860 had the, we had the Connecticut police

00:11:39.920 honor guard. Yeah. Uh, and their job, part

00:11:42.820 of their job is doing ceremonial

00:11:44.940 retirements of flags. And so we looked

00:11:47.580 it up and did exactly what we were

00:11:49.400 supposed to do. This is the days before

00:11:51.300 Facebook and social media. So nobody's

00:11:53.340 ever seen it, um, except the people that

00:11:55.720 were there. And it was a very, I, I

00:11:58.020 actually have thought about doing it

00:11:59.380 this, this, uh, year, uh, at 4th of

00:12:02.720 July and do carry it on, on Facebook

00:12:05.360 because I don't think people have seen

00:12:07.200 it and it's very respectful. It makes

00:12:09.420 you feel a little weird though. I mean,

00:12:11.200 you're seeing a flag burn, but then you

00:12:12.680 realize because you're an adult, you

00:12:14.920 think it through and you say, well, this

00:12:16.160 is actually the appropriate ceremony and

00:12:18.420 how the honor guard does it. It's the

00:12:20.240 same thing with this sketch blackface. Yes, 0.72

00:12:22.520 it can be used for a hundred million bad

00:12:23.960 reasons. And of course you should never

00:12:25.000 do it because you're definitely going to

00:12:25.760 get fired. But the motivation was to

00:12:27.780 parody racism. It was to degrade

00:12:30.560 racism. Doesn't that even count? We're

00:12:32.920 not even adults enough to understand the

00:12:34.700 motivation behind a message. It's

00:12:37.380 pathetic. Is it not? Uh, yeah, it is. 1.00

00:12:41.980 This is the best of the Glenn Beck

00:12:43.680 program. Did you hear the story of the

00:12:47.000 guy in California that was just driving

00:12:49.860 down the street and he was in the, you

00:12:51.900 know, California gas and electric truck

00:12:53.620 or whatever the hell it is. And, um, and

00:12:56.560 he has his hand out and he's cracking his

00:12:59.040 knuckles. And as he's cracking his first

00:13:01.700 knuckle, he kind of makes the, he kind of

00:13:04.260 makes the peace or the, uh, okay sign, which

00:13:06.780 we all know is racist, which is not racist,

00:13:09.840 which was, it was, it was started as a

00:13:13.300 meme and it was started by one. It started

00:13:15.540 by like 4chan people that were making fun

00:13:17.900 and saying, let's try to make everybody

00:13:19.620 believe. Yep. So it's not even racist. It

00:13:21.880 was a, it was a joke. It was trying to show

00:13:24.720 what sheep Americans are. Americans are. Yeah. 0.98

00:13:28.000 So he's cracking his knuckles. Well, somebody

00:13:30.440 takes a picture of it and said, oh my gosh,

00:13:32.480 look at this racist making, making this racist

00:13:35.840 hand sign. Why would you, I mean this, anyway,

00:13:41.100 he loses his job. He then, uh, has the

00:13:47.740 person, uh, who, who wrote this said, I

00:13:51.160 didn't mean for him to lose his job. I mean,

00:13:53.440 I, I may have, I may have been wrong about

00:13:56.300 that. And he says, you were wrong about it. I

00:14:00.240 was cracking my knuckles. Now he's a Hispanic 1.00

00:14:02.780 guy. So the person that filed the, not even

00:14:07.560 the complaint, just social media. Hey, what's

00:14:10.760 going on? That person has said, I know I

00:14:14.280 was wrong. I was wrong. It wasn't a racist

00:14:16.840 thing. The gas company will not hire him

00:14:20.940 back. He wants his job back. I don't know

00:14:25.140 why he wants his job back. We called to see

00:14:27.980 if he ever would get his job back and they

00:14:30.140 doubled down. The first national interview

00:14:33.640 with him is coming up on tomorrow's program.

00:14:36.180 You don't want to miss it. Uh, it is, it's an

00:14:38.780 unbelievable story, but this is happening

00:14:41.160 everywhere. Um, uh, Reagan SQ day, who is a 0.92

00:14:46.520 turning point USA ambassador, also a, uh,

00:14:50.200 Christian, uh, she made a video and she was

00:14:56.000 talking about why BLM is, is not a Christian 0.99

00:15:00.900 movement. This is not the way Christ would

00:15:02.840 want us to do things. Well, my gosh, somebody

00:15:06.780 in her office saw how offensive that was. And

00:15:09.700 within 15 minutes, she lost her job. We have

00:15:14.220 Reagan on the phone with us. Hello, Reagan. How

00:15:16.720 are you?

00:15:17.600 Hi, I'm great. How are you?

00:15:20.120 Good. So Reagan, were you named after Ronald

00:15:22.900 Reagan?

00:15:24.180 You know, it's funny. My nickname growing up

00:15:27.080 was Reaganomics. My mom called me that and I

00:15:29.320 still answer to it to this day. I don't

00:15:31.260 know what she named me after, but my

00:15:33.660 nickname definitely, um, is attributed to

00:15:36.100 him.

00:15:37.360 Okay. So, uh, Reagan, what did you say that

00:15:40.420 was so horrible? And, and, uh, Sarah, please

00:15:44.080 be ready on the edit button. Uh, go ahead.

00:15:47.900 Well, you know, I was really, Mr. Beck, I

00:15:50.380 was addressing the evangelical church, um,

00:15:52.940 seeing the way Christian pastors and leaders

00:15:56.280 have been, um, just twisting the, the true

00:15:59.680 gospel of the Bible and, and making this

00:16:01.880 social gospel narrative, um, was really

00:16:04.920 upsetting and sad to me because I feel like

00:16:07.100 it's very misleading to believers. And so I

00:16:09.540 posted a video discussing, um, the Black

00:16:12.220 Lives Matter organization, what it stands

00:16:14.180 for and why Christians should be focusing on 0.57

00:16:17.520 the gospel, which ultimately reconciles hearts

00:16:20.760 and, and, and fixes the sin problem of

00:16:22.560 racism, um, rather than that, rather than

00:16:25.680 calling for action and, and, um, you know,

00:16:29.100 focusing on racial reconciliation and, and

00:16:31.660 things that are, are not of Christ.

00:16:34.560 Well, there's no reconciliation with, with

00:16:37.160 BLM and this movement, there is no racial 0.99

00:16:39.740 recognition. There's, there is beg for

00:16:42.320 forgiveness, but you can't really even know

00:16:44.680 what you're sorry for because you don't

00:16:46.980 know what you're guilty for because you're

00:16:48.740 white, um, and you have to go through them 0.96

00:16:51.680 for forgiveness. And there is no forgiveness.

00:16:53.760 As I just pointed out, the problem with

00:16:55.880 that is the only one that can truly grant

00:16:58.480 forgiveness is God. Um, you're coming in

00:17:02.680 because you're white with original sin. Well, 0.99

00:17:05.820 that goes against, we, we don't hold people

00:17:08.780 responsible for what their fathers or their

00:17:10.940 great grandfathers did at any time. God

00:17:14.380 doesn't hold people responsible. He holds you

00:17:16.300 as an individual and never a collective, this 0.98

00:17:19.480 social justice garbage that is being 0.98

00:17:22.660 shoveled by many of our churches, uh, is 1.00

00:17:25.940 just that garbage and an affront to God. When 1.00

00:17:29.740 man declares, there's an original sin that

00:17:32.360 you have to pay for because of what somebody

00:17:35.460 else did 150 years ago. And there is no real

00:17:39.320 forgiveness for you because you're white or 0.92

00:17:41.720 black or yellow or orange. It doesn't matter.

00:17:44.060 That's an affront to God. And I don't know

00:17:47.500 why churches aren't getting this.

00:17:49.940 Yeah, I definitely agree. And I think, I

00:17:52.820 think too, Mr. Beck, um, there has been a

00:17:55.080 Trojan horse of social justice within the

00:17:57.180 church for a very long time. And I think, um,

00:17:59.800 you know, after the George Floyd incident,

00:18:01.580 things have come to their peak. And so the

00:18:03.660 church is kind of in a place where if they

00:18:05.180 don't address this, um, it would be an

00:18:07.660 injustice to congregants. It would appear. Um,

00:18:10.700 but it's a shame really that the church has

00:18:12.380 drifted so far from teaching theology that

00:18:14.460 they have to, you know, as scripture says,

00:18:16.820 tickle the ears of those willing to listen. And

00:18:19.800 they have to call for worldly virtuousness over

00:18:22.280 spiritual righteousness. And it's just a

00:18:24.420 dangerous line to walk. Um, I think you have a

00:18:27.400 congregation of people who come to church on

00:18:30.300 Sunday to hear the gospel and walk away in

00:18:32.220 worship, but many church leaders are sharing a

00:18:34.960 motivational speech with scripture sprinkled in

00:18:38.100 so that congregants walk away with a worldly

00:18:40.220 call to action, um, which ultimately does not

00:18:42.860 save.

00:18:45.520 So you, the reaction, uh, when you posted this,

00:18:49.280 you, you didn't think you'd get any blowback or

00:18:51.440 did you?

00:18:52.560 Um, I don't think I expected to get as much as

00:18:56.120 I got. Um, most of my, my following on social

00:19:00.300 media is Christian conservatives who, who very

00:19:03.000 much, you know, hold the same beliefs I do. Um, so I

00:19:06.880 really was speaking to them. I did not expect it. Um,

00:19:10.380 you know, obviously social media reaches

00:19:12.100 everyone, but I didn't expect it to blow up the

00:19:14.880 way that it did. And so, um, I mean, I got

00:19:16.860 backlash, um, excuse me, I got backlash probably

00:19:20.040 for a solid 24 to 48 hours. And it just, it was a

00:19:24.180 lot, but, um, I think it's something people needed

00:19:26.540 to hear. So I, I haven't taken it down.

00:19:30.300 You lost your job because somebody in your office, 0.97

00:19:33.860 uh, saw this post and said, you are a racist and 0.99

00:19:38.700 need to be terminated. And with 50, within 15 1.00

00:19:42.240 minutes, I'm told that you were in the office of

00:19:44.860 the boss and they were talking about you and your

00:19:48.360 job. True.

00:19:50.300 Well, so it was actually an ex employee. So someone

00:19:53.140 that I actually used to work with and, um, she made 0.90

00:19:56.040 a post and called me racist, homophobic, and she

00:19:59.380 tagged my employer. Um, so of course then, you

00:20:02.200 know, the mob on social media knows where I work

00:20:04.280 now. And so they made calls in to the company,

00:20:07.420 made death threats to the owners. And, um, it, I'm,

00:20:11.060 I don't really know how bad it was. I know they

00:20:12.900 had to get law enforcement involved to patrol the

00:20:15.220 area and protect the building. Um, and it just, it

00:20:18.600 just blows my mind that that's, that's the way

00:20:21.920 we're going.

00:20:23.340 So when you were brought in and you heard this, I

00:20:26.720 know you didn't want anything to happen to

00:20:28.560 anybody else. Um, were they, were they angry with

00:20:33.900 you or what, what was their reaction? Was it

00:20:37.200 like, we got to get the mob off our back?

00:20:39.800 Well, I think, I think they were, so I first, they

00:20:42.560 first called me cause I've, I've been working at

00:20:44.600 home due to all the COVID, um, regulation. And so

00:20:48.220 they called me and said, you know, it's been brought

00:20:51.060 to our attention about this social media post. We're

00:20:53.900 going to put you on paid suspension until we complete

00:20:55.960 an investigation. And so I kind of was just all

00:20:58.840 day, you know, heart rate kind of going high and, uh,

00:21:03.640 not really sure what to expect. And then by 5 PM that

00:21:06.180 day, they called me back and said, you know, due to

00:21:08.400 the measures we've had to take, we've come to the

00:21:10.800 conclusion we have to terminate your employment. And

00:21:13.180 I think it was something that they, they didn't want

00:21:15.220 to do. Um, and I, and I could kind of hear that in

00:21:18.300 their voice, but it was one of those things. They

00:21:20.280 said like their hands were tied. They said you

00:21:23.380 resigned. Yes, they did. Um, and that's a whole

00:21:28.560 other thing. Uh, we, on the phone, they offered me

00:21:31.620 the option to resign. And I said, you know, I

00:21:33.900 appreciate that option. And, uh, I guess that they

00:21:37.080 took that as a commitment. And so, and actually an

00:21:39.600 hour later I called back and said, you know, I've

00:21:41.060 made my decision. I'd prefer to be terminated. Um,

00:21:44.060 but my separation notice does not say that. So.

00:21:47.480 Right. Right. So would you do it again?

00:21:50.020 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, you know, I've, I've

00:21:54.720 kind of, the way things have gone down, you know, I

00:21:58.320 feel like, and I don't have hard feelings towards the

00:22:01.720 company I worked for at all. I mean, they have always

00:22:03.920 been wonderful and taking care of me, but I do feel

00:22:06.140 like this could have gone a completely different

00:22:07.660 way. Um, I feel like they, they, they could have

00:22:11.040 fired me and done what they did, or they could have

00:22:13.040 protected me and, you know, press charges on those

00:22:15.440 making threats because those really were the people

00:22:17.540 in the wrong. Um, and so, you know, looking back, it's

00:22:22.340 like, I don't think I wouldn't change anything. I

00:22:24.200 did. I said what I said, I still stand by what I said

00:22:26.700 to this day. Um, and if, and if the, if an employer, you

00:22:31.260 know, is willing to let me go because of something I

00:22:35.300 posted, not on company time, you know, not related to

00:22:38.700 the company, I don't, it just kind of has solidified for

00:22:42.100 means the, the fact that it's, it's, it's, I would, it's

00:22:46.220 not, it's not worth my time.

00:22:49.340 Regan, um, you are, uh, I think the first person I've

00:22:55.320 talked to, um, that has, has actually, uh, live the

00:23:01.040 scripture, uh, of, of he who will lose his life, uh, for

00:23:05.480 my sake will gain his life. You are the, you're the first

00:23:09.180 person that I, uh, think I've talked to Stu, correct me

00:23:12.280 if I'm wrong, that has actually fit that scripture. And

00:23:16.160 you've had the bravery enough, uh, you're been brave enough

00:23:19.640 to stand up against the mob and say, I'm sorry, but the

00:23:25.660 Lord would say this. And that is a big deal. There's a lot

00:23:30.660 of cowards out there, many of us. And I, you know, I have 0.96

00:23:34.860 been pushed to the wall, but I have not been pushed to the

00:23:37.340 wall. Like even you have, um, I don't think, um, nobody's

00:23:42.020 threatened enough. Well, no, I take that back anyway. But

00:23:45.420 you, you really fit that scripture and, uh, congratulations.

00:23:50.420 Congratulations. Keep it up. Thank you. You bet. The

00:23:54.520 whole time all this was going on, I just kept thinking of

00:23:56.940 John 15, where Jesus said, if the world hates, you know, that

00:23:59.620 it hated me before it hated you. Um, yeah. And, and as

00:24:03.640 Christians, we're expected, perceived, expected to have 1.00

00:24:06.580 persecution. We're, we're guaranteed persecution as a

00:24:09.440 matter of fact. Um, so, so, you know, the worldly reaction

00:24:13.620 isn't really a surprise to me. I think what was a surprise to

00:24:16.860 me were the number of people that I knew and grew up with who

00:24:19.780 said they were Christians and who have, you know, studied

00:24:22.880 scripture and I've been to church with them and they still,

00:24:25.540 they have, have fallen for this social justice gospel.

00:24:28.320 Yeah. Reagan. Thank you very much. Uh, Reagan SQ day. Uh, I

00:24:34.400 will tell you the same thing that I said in 2000, I think

00:24:37.360 nine, if you're going to a church and they're talking about

00:24:40.960 social justice, uh, you need to, you need to do one of two

00:24:45.880 things, uh, either run for your life or make your first stop

00:24:52.420 your pastor's, uh, office or your priest's office and say, what

00:24:55.880 do you mean by social justice? Uh, there is no such thing as

00:24:59.660 collective salvation. There is no such thing as, uh, uh, the

00:25:04.280 redemptive power of the whole. There is no such thing. I

00:25:07.760 mean, it's amazing to me, the people who argue faith versus

00:25:11.560 works over and over and over and over and over and over again

00:25:15.560 will actually be the same people who are fighting for social

00:25:19.780 justice. That's an affront to God. When someone says there

00:25:25.080 is no forgiveness for this sin, which you didn't commit, you're

00:25:31.940 asking to be, to, to bow down to an altar of a false God. And, um, I

00:25:39.960 stand by what I said 11 years ago on social justice. It is, it is

00:25:48.300 something that has been misconstrued. It started out as a good

00:25:53.880 thing. I think started out as a good thing. Some people still are

00:25:58.600 convinced that it means just help the poor, et cetera. It does not

00:26:04.040 mean that anymore. And you need to know it and study it and get

00:26:12.000 away from it. When I say study it, you better hurry because all of

00:26:17.300 our history, our dictionaries, everything are being changed as we

00:26:22.320 speak. You need to keep a diary on what is true and what you know,

00:26:29.100 and do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity. I want to say

00:26:33.580 something to you real quick. Uh, she said, don't have time. I just, I

00:26:37.500 want you to be here with me on July 2nd. On July 2nd, we are going to be

00:26:42.900 doing something that I think is, um, it's very reminiscent of the nine

00:26:48.300 12 project show that we did. And I want you to gather your friends and I

00:26:51.920 want you to, I want you to watch it with your family and your church. It's

00:26:55.980 very, very important. We are going to make it. We are going to survive

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00:28:10.420 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:28:15.800 James Lindsay. He is the author of cynical theories. He's also the co-founder of new

00:28:22.180 discourses. Uh, and he has been, uh, causing quite a storm, uh, with some of his

00:28:29.900 latest writings and tweets on the cult dynamic of wokeness. Uh, he, you know,

00:28:37.360 of, you know, of him because, uh, he was, um, one of those guys that, uh, of the

00:28:43.840 three, uh, scientists, including, uh, Helen, uh, pluck rose that, that, uh, put 1.00

00:28:49.600 together these, uh, peer reviewed scientific papers, uh, and show that the peer 0.88

00:28:55.820 review process was garbage. If you use the right language, he's taking it a step

00:29:00.640 further now, not trying to dupe anybody. He's just, uh, explaining why wokeness is

00:29:07.120 a cult. And he's here with us now to do that. James, how are you? I'm good. How

00:29:13.840 are you? Well, I'm wondering how you think you're going to survive this one day at a

00:29:21.400 time, I think. Yeah. So, um, you know, I, I, I've been following your tweets and been

00:29:28.260 reading, uh, your articles on new discourses.com and you've come to the same

00:29:34.780 conclusion that I have, uh, that this is absolutely a cult and, and a new religion,

00:29:41.280 uh, that everyone is apparently jumping on the bandwagon for. Uh, and I wanted you to

00:29:48.760 take us through, uh, your, your thinking on, uh, cults. And I think, what do you

00:29:55.060 have? Uh, five, five different points on, uh, the cults and it, it starts with cult,

00:30:01.200 uh, initiation. So talk to me generally about what brought you here and then let's

00:30:07.400 get into the initiation. Okay. So several years ago, like you said, the, the social

00:30:14.380 justice movement, as it sometimes gets called or wokeness, my colleagues and I

00:30:19.100 noticed probably as early as 2013, that it's definitely got very religious

00:30:24.720 undertones. And in fact, in 2014, 15 and so on, we started to develop those ideas.

00:30:30.980 And in 2018, we started to go public with them. So we spent some time really

00:30:34.200 looking into it. And so in early 2018, we did a talk, a public talk at Portland

00:30:39.700 State University, uh, is intersectionality a religion. And we laid out some big

00:30:45.080 parallels. We talked about how, for those of you out there listening to have a

00:30:49.500 theological background, it has an Augustinian framework under it. It's based

00:30:55.000 off of a very, you know, confessional model. You have to confess your original

00:30:58.340 sin of racism and oppression and all of this. So we laid that out. Then I, I wrote an

00:31:05.400 article in late 2018 in great detail, very long, 15,000 words explaining how it

00:31:12.120 really is a religious movement. And like all religions, certain heretical cults

00:31:18.280 can spawn within them. And so now we're facing what appears to be a very cult

00:31:24.200 like set of behaviors. And like you said, the, I lay out three points that lead into

00:31:29.620 a cult. And then there's two more points that talk about what a cult looks like and

00:31:34.100 how you get out of it. And so the first stage coming into a cult is initiation.

00:31:40.980 Um, the second stage is indoctrination and the third stage is reprogramming. So just

00:31:45.860 kind of give the maps there. Uh, it's a slow process. It's gradual. It's not like, you

00:31:50.980 know, somebody snaps their fingers and now you're in a cult. You don't like go to the

00:31:54.880 grocery store, talk to the wrong person. And the next day, you know, you're wearing a

00:31:58.900 funny uniform and handing over your kids or something. It's a slow process.

00:32:02.860 This has been, and this is, this has been a very slow, this has been a very slow

00:32:07.300 process, um, in our society, starting really with the PC movement. So it doesn't

00:32:12.680 necessarily start out bad. Um, although I thought PC was, was pretty bad, but, uh,

00:32:18.480 it, it played on our better selves to be, to be better. And we have slowly been, uh,

00:32:25.460 boiled here to the point to where now you can look at the world and say, how is this

00:32:30.120 changing so fast? This is exactly, there's a lot of people now in this cult, right?

00:32:35.620 That's exactly right. There are a lot of people who are either in the cult, probably

00:32:39.780 somewhere between five and 10% of the country is actually, you know, in the

00:32:45.300 cult, which is, that's a lot of people. And it's tens of millions of people. And then

00:32:50.420 there are many people beyond that who, you know, much like you would have like a, with

00:32:54.740 the religion, you have people who are really into it. And then you have people

00:32:58.260 who just kind of go to church sometimes, right? So you have these, these social

00:33:02.160 justice people who just kind of, you know, they know the language, they have the kind

00:33:05.620 of, you know, the moral impulse, but they're not really studying it. They're not

00:33:09.700 deep into it. And now those people who are closer to it, who had some of the ideas

00:33:15.360 who had taken up some of it, they're getting it full blast. And what happens in

00:33:19.440 that cult initiation process is they start to full blast hit you with emotional

00:33:24.580 vulnerability. They try to make you feel emotionally vulnerable. In this case,

00:33:28.980 they're telling people, our whole society is racist. Racism is terrible. And you're

00:33:33.780 complicit in that you have helped everybody be racist. You have made these

00:33:38.440 terrible things like, you know, these claims about how, how black people are being,

00:33:44.460 are being shot by police every day, which aren't true, but that's what they call

00:33:48.320 their lived experience. You're complicit in that. That's what they tell people. So

00:33:53.420 it creates an opening of emotional vulnerability. And the initiation process

00:33:58.660 begins by creating and inflaming that vulnerable place and then sticking the

00:34:05.240 cult doctrine in to make you feel better. So you'll take it up.

00:34:08.400 So now did, so did we play into the initiation process in our own selves by

00:34:14.620 allowing people to, uh, say that the whole country is racist and, and us kind of sitting

00:34:23.220 here going, well, it's not, but I see their point on this and this. Did we kind of ease

00:34:28.920 the, or grease, the grease, the rails here for them?

00:34:33.660 Yes. And no, I don't think it's really fair to say that, that we did too much of that,

00:34:37.720 but I will stick a couple of institutions or maybe three with, um, a lot of, a lot of

00:34:44.140 blame on this because they didn't, they didn't try to say, okay, I see your point. Let's be

00:34:48.860 reasonable. It's not, but they didn't do that kind of like, let me hear you out perspective,

00:34:53.640 which I think is totally fair and reasonable from anybody. You have our universities, you have

00:34:59.580 our, uh, schools and you have a lot of the, as, as you know, it often gets phrased mainstream

00:35:07.040 journalism, the media that have all taken this stuff on whole hog. The media did it because it

00:35:13.320 gets clicks, hot takes, get clicks. They get, they get views, they get ratings, lots of people pay

00:35:18.540 attention. So it's kind of a perverse incentive there. The education program in the universities did

00:35:23.720 it, however, because first they didn't have the gut to stand up to this crackpot theory that it

00:35:30.100 all comes from. I've dedicated the last several years of my life to studying this crackpot theory

00:35:35.140 under this cult and they didn't stand up to it when they should have, they didn't stop it when it was

00:35:39.700 rising up. The last time anybody really tried to fight these ideas and what's called critical race

00:35:44.500 theory in the academic literature was in the 1990s. They just kind of folded, let it go because they

00:35:50.620 didn't want to be called racist. That's basically how this thing works is it, it doesn't really have

00:35:55.580 any arguments. It's, it's cases are very weak. It does have a point each time it makes a point

00:36:01.320 and people say, Oh, I see how you see that. Let's hear about it. But they, it's really like the worst

00:36:08.340 possible way to analyze it. And then all these academics didn't stand up to it because they would

00:36:13.460 get called racist. And then there maybe would be a department review. The next thing, you know,

00:36:18.280 we had a Supreme court case and started installing these diversity offices, which gave it administrative

00:36:23.140 power. And the university is basically just folded. And what happens in the university five to 10

00:36:28.260 years later happens in culture. So here we are, you know, five to 10 years, 20 years later, and it's

00:36:33.900 everywhere. So when we're going through the initiation stage, the reason why we're susceptible to this is

00:36:42.520 because we do want to do the right thing. Like, you know, when somebody says, look, you, you're,

00:36:47.760 you're on the side of racist. Nobody wants to be on the side of racist. Um, and you can't even

00:36:53.440 understand, uh, how you're racist. Just help us dismantle the system. We're building a better world

00:36:59.520 here that appeals to us. And so that's, we kind of can halfheartedly get into the front door like that.

00:37:07.700 That's exactly right. And that's, I mean, I don't like to usually use words like this, but that's why

00:37:14.280 this is actually an evil cult. That's why it'd be, I would say more cult than a religion. And it's

00:37:20.260 because it's playing upon people's best instincts to turn into something different. It's telling you,

00:37:25.340 no, we just want to get rid of racism, but that's not true. They write on almost every page of their

00:37:30.440 literature that they want a radical overhaul of the whole system that gets rid of liberal freedoms.

00:37:34.740 They say it explicitly. They do not just want to get rid of racism because they believe the first

00:37:40.540 pillar of this theory that's called critical race theory is that racism is the ordinary state of

00:37:46.100 affairs in American society. That's the first idea that they have. So the only way to get rid of

00:37:52.000 racism when they say, we just want to get rid of racism is to completely tear down the entire system

00:37:56.960 that we have back to the constitution and build a new one that they've wanted to socially engineer for 0.73

00:38:02.420 us. And it's evil because they play on our best instincts. They lie to us. And I mean that they

00:38:08.300 lie to us about what the word racism means, what the word white supremacy means, and they manipulate

00:38:13.420 our emotions. They play upon our willingness to do the right thing and then turn it into something

00:38:20.000 completely different. And I wish I was exaggerating. And like, like you said, you know, nobody wants to be

00:38:24.960 associated with racism. So they have this cultural nuclear weapon that calling somebody a racist. I mean,

00:38:31.700 you look at any example you want now, there are so many, you can't even pick one to just hone in on

00:38:37.180 where people are losing their jobs because somebody on the internet called them racist. So you can ruin

00:38:41.960 somebody's life with one accusation of racism. And then this cult tactic has ideas like white fragility

00:38:49.540 has this weird definition of racism, weird definition of anti-racism so that if they call you a racist and

00:38:55.920 you deny it now, all of a sudden that's proof that you're a racist. That's literally a witch trial.

00:39:01.700 So James, I'm going to come back. I got to take a one minute break for a sponsor, but

00:39:08.060 the other thing that they have going for them, you said they have a nuclear weapon. The other

00:39:12.980 nuclear weapon that they have is the media and culture. Nobody wants to be an outsider. Everybody

00:39:20.740 wants to be in the cool kid club. And if they call you a racist, you're away on the outs of all of

00:39:27.880 society. Um, but then also there's this reward that you're in the cool kids club. If you're,

00:39:35.380 if you're with them and that's what the media provides, I think, uh, that's what Hollywood

00:39:39.960 provides. And that is, that is extraordinarily powerful as well.

00:39:44.560 So I don't even know where to begin on this story. So I'm going to ask the guy who's involved

00:39:54.900 with this story to, uh, start us off. Ben Domenech. He's the co-founder of the Federalist,

00:40:00.180 uh, the podcast host for the Federalist radio hour. And, uh, we want to talk about Google attempting

00:40:07.300 to demonetize his website, the Federalist. Ben, how are you? Uh, I'm good. In fact,

00:40:14.300 I am talking to you wearing my Takovas right now. So I did not. Are you really? Yes, I really am

00:40:20.820 wearing them. They're really great boots, aren't they? They really are. They're great. They're

00:40:25.360 wonderful. You know, what isn't wonderful is, uh, is, uh, big tech and their, uh, animosity

00:40:31.360 towards anyone who conflicts with the narrative, uh, capitalize it. Uh, and, uh, in this case,

00:40:39.640 it really does look like NBC news, uh, irritated perhaps at our coverage of their, uh, really,

00:40:47.060 uh, I think, you know, terrible behavior over the last several couple of years, not just,

00:40:52.240 you know, uh, hiding the truth about Matt Lauer and, and Harvey Weinstein, but also of course

00:40:57.500 their activity when it comes to the Russia collusion hoax. And, uh, and, uh, more recently

00:41:02.880 they're pretending that, uh, these riots and violence playing out across America were in

00:41:08.960 no way connected to, uh, the protests. They, uh, attempted to come after us. And I think that

00:41:15.520 they, they really screwed up Glenn in a way that, that is backfiring. Uh, I know for a fact

00:41:21.200 that the, the top flight, uh, lobbyists at Google have been very active over the last

00:41:27.460 24 hours trying to prevent a crackdown from Capitol Hill. And I think that we're going

00:41:33.680 to continue to see, uh, this story play out over the coming, uh, weeks and, and, and months

00:41:39.000 even, uh, in terms of questions about what Google did, what they were intending to do.

00:41:44.520 And, you know, Glenn, it's, it's a real canary in the coal mine moment of, of waking up the

00:41:50.960 reality that these tech companies are going to come for all of us and they are going to do

00:41:56.500 so in ways that, uh, that really go after anyone who questions, uh, the narrative that

00:42:03.440 they have about the world that we live in and the country that we love.

00:42:06.840 Ben, I tell you, I am, uh, preparing for the day that you, the only way to reach me will

00:42:14.600 be to go and type in the address, Glenn Beck.com or the blaze.com. And even that is sketchy

00:42:22.240 that they will, there will be no social media that we will be demonetized everywhere. Um,

00:42:29.580 and on, and I think that day, Ben could happen, uh, a lot faster than we, we think, look how

00:42:36.740 much change has come in, uh, just the last, what, eight weeks. We're in entirely different

00:42:44.640 country talking about things that we wouldn't even thought rational eight months ago, six months

00:42:50.440 ago. You know, Glenn, I, uh, I look across this country and I believe that we're in very

00:42:56.360 much a cultural civil war. And I mean, as you know, uh, my wife, babe, McCain is, is the 0.98

00:43:03.460 only, uh, pro-life pro-gun woman employed by, um, any, uh, main channel other than Fox news, 0.93

00:43:11.360 uh, that is allowed on TV during the daytime. And I don't, I don't speak for her, but she has

00:43:17.300 been really woken up by everything that we've gone through in these past several weeks.

00:43:22.100 And she has asked me repeatedly, you know, uh, what do you think this looks like? What do you

00:43:27.360 think this is? Where do you think this is going? Do you think it's going to even be possible

00:43:31.380 to be someone who is pro-life or pro-gun on TV outside, outside of, of these institutions?

00:43:39.360 And I've just told her, no, I don't think so. I think that we are headed towards a moment

00:43:43.600 where you have to have the total institutional support of something that you've built Glenn,

00:43:50.060 or that I've built in the federalist or that others have built that can be behind you a hundred

00:43:55.460 percent because otherwise they will take you down. They will demonetize you. They will make

00:43:59.860 it impossible to do your job because they hate you. And it's, I mean, we, we would like to have a

00:44:07.540 situation where we could have a negotiation, where we could have a debate, where we could have a back

00:44:12.040 and forth. I mean, that's what we love as, as Americans who like debate. And I know you love

00:44:16.820 it, Glenn, but that's not possible with a mob that wants to destroy you, that wants to erase you,

00:44:23.300 that does not believe you should be allowed any platform for your ideas if they conflict with the

00:44:30.940 narrative. So tell me what you think here about the NBC news. Um, I don't even know what she was,

00:44:38.680 as a researcher or a reporter, uh, knew from, uh, at NBC VC, thanks to, uh, FS fake news and CCD hate 0.60

00:44:49.120 for their hard work and collaboration. And what she was saluting was the fact that you and zero head

00:44:56.800 would no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google ads.

00:45:02.340 Who is this person? I've never heard of this person before. She's a London based, uh, journalist.

00:45:10.640 And I do put that in quotes, uh, because I, I, I, I don't believe that she was acting as a journalist

00:45:16.560 here. She was clearly an activist and she was trying to be a platformist. Yes. And, and working with a

00:45:23.360 small leftist organization in the UK that attempted to come after us. And Glenn, here's, here's where I

00:45:30.420 think they screwed up. Here's the mistake they made. I think that the gap of knowledge in between,

00:45:37.380 uh, you know, across the pond between America and the UK meant that they assumed we were some

00:45:43.660 irrelevant blog that they could frame as being racist or unacceptable. Uh, when in reality, as you

00:45:51.480 know, uh, you know, we are well-connected, well-respected in terms of the world of Washington,

00:45:57.100 in terms of our coverage, uh, with people like Molly Hemingway and, and Sean Davis and others.

00:46:02.240 And so we had members of Congress and senators reaching out to us immediately. Ted Cruz sent a

00:46:08.360 letter this morning, uh, demanding, uh, to have some clarity from Google about what's going on.

00:46:13.680 Uh, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, and Marco Rubio are, are introducing legislation to crack down on,

00:46:20.000 on Google this morning. I think that this is a moment where we are going to have to come to grips

00:46:24.740 with the fact that these are the most powerful entities controlling, as you said, an enormous

00:46:29.500 percentage of the ad revenue, uh, an enormous percentage of the conversation. They are media

00:46:34.520 companies and they should be, they are the, yes, they are the public square. Now this is the public

00:46:42.640 square and they control all of it. And they said that their problem was with you and not any of your

00:46:49.440 reporting. It was some of the comments made by people reading, which I want to know, have they

00:46:55.560 demonetized YouTube? Have they demonetized Facebook or Twitter? Because, uh, Glenn, those are the most

00:47:05.280 toxic comment fields that you can find. And I'll, and I'll exactly right. We, we took our, we took our

00:47:12.640 comment section down for the moment, uh, because of this demonetization threat comments will be back.

00:47:18.820 I am not going to let them bully us out of having those. Personally, I don't really wade into

00:47:23.960 comments. I think that they're a little crazy, but you know, people blow off some steam there,

00:47:28.220 but my attitude is we should not have a situation where only people who are advocating for, again,

00:47:37.320 a questioning of their narrative, this leftist narrative about what we're going through.

00:47:42.040 They're the ones who have to respond for their comments, not the New York times, not the Washington

00:47:47.820 Post, not media, not YouTube, not any of these other places that they are perfectly comfortable

00:47:54.240 with Glenn. And, and to me, this is a sign of how they will utilize their lackadaisical approach

00:48:01.460 to rules where they just say, Oh, well, but you know, if you are center, right, then we're going

00:48:06.940 to go down chapter and verse. We're going to look through all these rules to find a way to screw you, 0.97

00:48:12.420 to come after you. Okay. But if you are on the right side of the narrative, Oh, that's fine. 0.99

00:48:18.840 That's just, you know, that's just the bait. We're letting that happen among your users. It's

00:48:22.820 ridiculous, Glenn. It can't be allowed to continue. And as you said, they have a monopoly on the public 0.96

00:48:28.000 square at this point. It's as if you had big paper, you know, like the inability to print anything

00:48:35.060 other than what they allow. Right. So the organization that went after you was started by

00:48:41.700 Amran Ahmed. I have no idea. Gosh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Anyway, he's a trustee of victim support,

00:48:53.180 which sounds wonderful. Sits on the steering committee for the commission of countering

00:48:56.760 extremism, the pilot task force there in London. And that's wonderful. He also authored the book

00:49:01.940 The New Serfdom, The Triumph of Conservative Ideas and How to Defeat Them. He wrote that with a

00:49:09.160 Labour Party MP, also a political advisor to the Labour Party. They also have big high-profile

00:49:17.300 supporters, such as the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is not an extremist at all. You have

00:49:29.160 one of the secretary of the Labour Party. You have several Labour Party activists, former speech

00:49:37.800 writer for Gordon Brown. This is a far, far left organization. I'm wondering where they get their

00:49:44.360 money. But it sounds to me as if this is a London version of Media Matters that is doing exactly the

00:49:55.320 same thing. And they're hammering places like Google, and Google is listening to them.

00:50:02.160 I mean, one of the things that we have to be mindful of here, Glenn, is that, you know,

00:50:06.120 these big tech companies, as many smart people as they employ, they're not very bright when it comes to

00:50:14.540 these political matters. And in this case, I think that they were easily manipulated by a bunch of

00:50:21.320 lefties who decided to, you know, in mass report a bunch of our comments or other content that we

00:50:28.680 had and basically say, why are you, why do you have any ads on this site? Now, I will say,

00:50:33.420 Google Ads is not our primary source of revenue, thank Lord. And so, you know, even if we had lost

00:50:38.840 them, we would be fine. But it's the sort of thing where it's more about the branding involved of

00:50:44.920 of saying, you know, oh, yeah, you're going to brand these folks as unacceptable for any ads to

00:50:50.500 run. And the left understands how to manipulate this scenario. They understand how to go into

00:50:58.200 these, these ad components, these communications shops, and put some things in front of them and

00:51:05.780 say, why are you running ads on this person's site or that person's site? And from my perspective,

00:51:11.920 the real situation here is we have the resources to fight back, but others do not. There are tons

00:51:18.120 of people out there, you know, small businesses and small blogs and individuals, professors and

00:51:24.780 the like, who could be demonetized by this, and they would not have the ability to get on the phone

00:51:30.440 with Ted Cruz and say, we're going to fight back. And that's the thing that I think we have to be

00:51:34.960 really concerned about, because that's going to continue. The left no longer believes in free speech,

00:51:40.100 they have ditched the old values of the ACLU. They have ditched the Bill Maher, the Howard Stern of

00:51:45.840 the 1990s. They have thrown them aside. They want to be coming after Howard Stern. Yeah, I know. It's

00:51:53.120 crazy. It's insane. Ben, thank you so much. And anything that we can do to support you guys at

00:52:00.340 The Federalist, we're all in this boat together. You just let us know, Ben, we stand behind you 100%.

00:52:05.740 Thank you. Thank you, Glenn. I truly appreciate it. God bless you.

00:52:10.100 God bless you.

00:52:10.840 God bless you.

The Glenn Beck Program - June 17, 2020

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