The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： James Lindsay, Sohrab Ahmari, & Burgess Owens ｜ 10⧸22⧸20

00:00:00.400 What a whirlwind of a podcast for you today.

00:00:04.340 It's debate night.

00:00:05.560 Yes.

00:00:05.980 Coming up.

00:00:07.580 I'm very nervous.

00:00:08.660 This is a big one.

00:00:09.400 This is a big one.

00:00:10.700 And but the good news is we have a fair moderator and and I'm sure they're going to bring up

00:00:16.940 all of the news that we talk about in today's podcast.

00:00:20.720 There's a lot to cover.

00:00:22.300 There's good news on the economy.

00:00:24.540 There's bad news for Joe Biden.

00:00:27.600 It looks like his son's former CEO has had enough.

00:00:32.620 He's tired of hearing that this is Russian collusion.

00:00:36.000 He was there and he said, yeah, that's what the deal memo was.

00:00:41.420 Ten million being held for the big guy, Joe Biden.

00:00:45.420 Also, the press continues to deny any of this.

00:00:50.780 They're throttling the New York Post.

00:00:52.820 We have the op ed editor on with us to tell you what's actually happening behind the scenes

00:00:58.240 at Facebook, who is hiring Chinese coders to help them find and suppress hate speech. 0.56

00:01:09.900 It's a terrifying thing.

00:01:11.800 You're not going to find on Twitter or on Facebook because it's been suppressed and censored.

00:01:18.500 But it's here on today's podcast.

00:01:22.120 And don't forget, tonight is the debate.

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00:02:06.480 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:21.020 So Rob Armari is with us.

00:02:24.140 He is the op-ed editor of the New York Post.

00:02:25.980 He was with us earlier this week or last week talking about being banned and still not having access.

00:02:33.260 The New York Post still doesn't have access to their Twitter feed and they won't get it until they retract the Hunter Biden story, which is looking more and more like the biggest scandal in American political history every single day.

00:02:51.100 But there's a new angle on this.

00:02:54.720 So, Rob, welcome to the program.

00:02:56.220 How are you?

00:02:57.500 Good morning, Glenn.

00:02:59.180 You broke some news yesterday that, you know, you can't really tweet or retweet because headlines don't tell the full story.

00:03:07.540 You can read the article on Twitter before retweeting.

00:03:10.800 You you have the story.

00:03:13.140 Meet your Chinese Facebook. 0.56

00:03:15.320 Tell me about it.

00:03:16.380 The headline, just so people can find it, because social media is so screwy in terms of how it treats the New York Post.

00:03:24.960 And that's a separate shameful story.

00:03:26.880 The headline is meet your Chinese Facebook censors. 0.52

00:03:29.580 Yep.

00:03:29.740 And the gist of the story is that last week, after observing what what Facebook was doing to the New York Post, former Facebook high ranking insider got in touch with me and shared a number of things.

00:03:46.640 But among the things he shared was a an opportunity to shed light on the actual mechanics of how Twitter does its censorship.

00:03:58.420 And Twitter or Twitter or Facebook?

00:04:01.100 I apologize.

00:04:01.920 Facebook.

00:04:02.320 OK, all right.

00:04:02.900 And what it what it reveals to me, as I argue, the article is the most sophisticated censorship mechanism possibly in human history.

00:04:11.860 And it's a team at Facebook called hate speech engineering.

00:04:16.680 George Orwell, call your office.

00:04:19.640 And it's a team that is mostly based in Seattle, Washington.

00:04:24.200 And this insider shared me shared with me the directory of the staffers who work on that team.

00:04:30.900 And he noted and we verified using LinkedIn that at least six of these team members are Chinese nationals.

00:04:40.560 What the team does is they basically use machine learning, teaching computers to do things on their own without the need for direct human action.

00:04:50.060 So they use machine learning and what's called neural networks to rejigger the news feed that you get.

00:04:58.260 So you have Glenn's Facebook feed, what you see, what all your friends have shared.

00:05:03.320 What this team does is ensure that certain content goes up on top.

00:05:07.720 And for that, they get discretionary bonuses, according to the insider.

00:05:11.760 But it also ensures that certain other content shows dead last.

00:05:15.420 Like, for example, in this case, it seems like this is a mechanism to use a New York Post story that's damning about Hunter and Joe Biden three weeks out before an election.

00:05:25.900 Now, let me ask you this.

00:05:27.600 These are people that they're PhDs and they have H-1B visas.

00:05:33.500 So they're coming in from China. 0.81

00:05:35.520 Are they experts in the Chinese censorship programs?

00:05:42.420 Well, we don't know.

00:05:44.100 Well, what I looked up is, and out of courtesy to Facebook, when we reached out to them, we didn't share their names, even though we have their names.

00:05:51.240 We have a lot of information about them that you can access once you know their names and where they work.

00:05:56.780 But we didn't share that just out of courtesy to Facebook.

00:05:59.400 Good for you.

00:05:59.880 What we did find is that, you know, at least one of them used to work for Huawei, which is a Chinese tech conglomerate that is closely bound up with the Chinese regime.

00:06:12.220 A lot of them went to universities like University of Nanjing, the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

00:06:18.180 These are all, you know, it's not like here where it's like, you know, I don't know, George Washington, you or what have you.

00:06:23.940 So these are all state-based, state-supported entities, and they have deep links to the Chinese security apparatus.

00:06:34.420 So even though we don't know exactly whether they did censorship for the Chinese regime, what we do know is that the institutions that train them, you know, are not our state entities.

00:06:44.520 And another one worked for, I don't know, the Signal Service, Signal Telegraph Service for the Chinese Railway, again, a state enterprise.

00:06:55.800 And look, because they're H-1Bs, you know, a lot of tech companies hire H-1B employees, Indians, Chinese, Eastern Europeans.

00:07:05.080 It's not all nefarious. A lot of them, to be honest, just, you know, we have nothing against the fact that there's Chinese people working at Facebook.

00:07:13.300 A lot of them just want to, you know, share in the American dream and settle in this country.

00:07:17.620 But because they're H-1Bs, it means that some of them could go back. 0.83

00:07:20.860 So another worry is, will they then take back the techniques for social control that they perfected and learned at Facebook to the most repressive society when it comes to this stuff,

00:07:34.240 and help Xi Jinping further repress the free flow of information in his own society?

00:07:39.740 This is so evil.

00:07:43.640 Creepy.

00:07:44.000 I mean, it is just evil what is happening right now.

00:07:47.760 And we see it in what they're doing to you and the Post and your reporting.

00:07:55.600 We know now.

00:07:57.180 We have it from several, multiple sources, including a guy who was the CEO of the Biden firm that was, you know, putting the Chinese deal together,

00:08:09.660 confirming that that email is true, that the big guy is Joe Biden.

00:08:15.760 We have all that, and yet it's still being called a conspiracy theory, and you're not able to get your accounts back on social media.

00:08:24.440 Now, bear in mind, the gentleman you're talking about is a U.S. Navy veteran, served four years, and then got into business, including probably to his regret with Hunter Biden.

00:08:36.080 And, you know, he has come out, come clean with a statement saying, I, to the extent that I have made political contributions, which are small, I've made them to democratic causes and candidates.

00:08:50.440 So he's not some Republican, this is Hunter Biden's business partner.

00:08:54.960 Right.

00:08:55.160 He's not some Republican figure.

00:08:56.880 And he's saying, as a patriot, as someone who served in the U.S. military and the armed forces, it offends me that people talk about this stuff as Russian disinformation.

00:09:05.540 Because it sullies his reputation, right?

00:09:09.100 When you talk about something that was a Russian conspiracy, so he just said, because of my conscience, and I'm paraphrasing, but basically, my conscience tells me to come out clean and say, this is not Russian disinformation.

00:09:19.340 A lot of stuff that was anti-Trump the past four years, that Facebook and Twitter never censored, truly was Russian disinformation, not least the famous, infamous dossier, the P-tape and so forth.

00:09:32.040 It was concocted by the Russians. 0.99

00:09:34.580 This guy is saying, you know, the stuff that the Post reporter is not Russian disinformation.

00:09:39.680 And I think a lot of pundits, reporters, not to mention big tech CEOs, owe the New York Post a groveling apology, not that I'm holding my breath.

00:09:47.980 Well, try this on for size.

00:09:50.740 Yesterday, the DNI confirmed that Iran, the world's leading sponsor of terrorism, has interfered with this election to damage Donald Trump by sending threatening emails to Democratic voters while posing as the Proud Boys.

00:10:11.420 So CNN, first of all, did not cover this.

00:10:15.060 They didn't cover it.

00:10:16.140 This is the federal government saying, here's the evidence.

00:10:20.800 They've gotten voter registration information, and they have been intimidating Democrats to try to cause hatred and possible violence with the Proud Boys.

00:10:33.520 CNN not only didn't cover that FBI briefing, they then went on the air and said the only reason Iran had that Proud Boys moniker is because of Donald Trump talking about them all the time.

00:10:48.140 But as far as I can find, the only time he talked about the Proud Boys is when he's asked about them and told to deny them.

00:10:54.320 Yes, and another utterly, utterly shameful thing, again, across the left of center media, let's whatever, call them left media, let's be honest, is the fact that when the DNI, the director of national intelligence, is a longstanding national security professional, comes forward and says the post material about the Hunter files is not Russian disinformation.

00:11:20.300 They brought out lots of people who said, well, he's just in the tank for Trump.

00:11:26.860 I mean, this is so irresponsible, so irresponsible.

00:11:30.440 It so undermines any remaining trust that people have in the intelligence apparatus of this country.

00:11:37.080 When they so, to the extent that it's sized apparatus the past four years, and then when it does produce a finding that's contrary to Democratic preferences, then the intelligence apparatus is in the tank for Trump too.

00:11:50.860 I mean, this is really impossible, the poison and the damage of what this story has caused will be with us for a long time, no matter who wins the election in November.

00:12:02.260 Well, I think it's interesting that they didn't ban the Lincoln Project for tweeting out the Proud Boys were emailing people and threatening Democrats.

00:12:13.600 That that that wasn't that wasn't a problem that went through.

00:12:19.780 In fact, they were just allowed to delete that after the press conference yesterday.

00:12:24.680 But it was the Lincoln Project that helped Iran push all of these lies through. 0.87

00:12:30.480 It's it's it's really criminal what's going on.

00:12:35.120 Yeah, I mean, talk about collusion.

00:12:37.200 Look, I mean, I think it's been a long time over the past four years.

00:12:40.640 I, you know, I consider I use a category of woke.

00:12:44.640 And to be clear, I'm the opinion editor, so I'm not a news person at the Post, so I can share my opinions.

00:12:49.640 I guess I use two terms, woke and un-woke conservative.

00:12:53.580 But I don't mean it in the sense that the left means woke.

00:12:56.160 I mean it in the sense that conservatives who, as conservatives, are aware of what's going on.

00:13:02.140 Un-woke conservatives are the kind where they see unfairness happening and they're like, oh, there's woke conservatives.

00:13:09.400 Wait, wait, wait, we missed that.

00:13:10.980 Your phone broke up.

00:13:11.880 What did you say that?

00:13:13.580 I was just saying un-woke conservatives are conservatives who see this stuff going on and just wring their hands.

00:13:20.400 Oh, the double standard.

00:13:22.280 Woke conservatives are ones like, I would say, Attorney General Bill Barr or Senator Josh Hawley or Senator Tom Cotton and others who are like, yeah, we know what's going on.

00:13:31.740 We're going to take political action.

00:13:33.180 Because at this point, Twitter and Facebook are not just tech firms.

00:13:37.840 They're not just part of commerce in this country.

00:13:40.100 They are political entities taking political action, but unaccountably.

00:13:45.300 In the case of Facebook, we now know with the help of Chinese nationals who are computer scientists, they're doing this stuff, yet they're not subject to any political accountability in this country. 0.88

00:13:57.880 So this requires political action.

00:14:00.060 The Senate, I believe, needs to subpoena the two heads of the two big ones, Twitter and Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey.

00:14:07.040 And then to begin to think about how do we change the governing law, which is Section 230, because free speech is dying, but it's dying in the private sphere.

00:14:18.220 And a lot of conservatives, again, are so hung up on whether it's a private entity doing it or a public one that they can't see that, OK, well, Facebook effectively is shutting down free speech.

00:14:28.200 And we can't say, well, that's OK, because it's free enterprise doing it.

00:14:31.800 Well, wonderful.

00:14:32.320 I really only have about 20 seconds for you to answer this, but I can't let you go and not ask you, do you think the moderator is going to bring this up tonight in a non-conspiratorial way?

00:14:50.720 And do you think it matters to the average American?

00:14:55.260 Look, I don't know.

00:14:59.220 I don't want to predict, but given it's past this precedent, I doubt that the moderator will bring it up.

00:15:05.440 So it's up to President Trump, because I do think I do think it should matter.

00:15:09.400 I do think it should matter.

00:15:11.060 It's this is no longer just about a story of corruption, which is deeply corroborated.

00:15:15.260 It's also a story about whether our historic rights as Americans to report the news and then make up our own minds about it, get to see what's out there.

00:15:25.940 This right is now at stake.

00:15:28.520 And the fact, again, that it's a private company doing it should be irrelevant to the Trump administration, to the GOP, to the broader conservative movement.

00:15:37.160 So, Rob Amari, thank you so much.

00:15:38.800 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:15:54.680 Boy, do we ever have some fighters and hopefully a new one.

00:15:59.540 Burgess Owens, former NFL Super Bowl champion and congressional candidate in Utah's 4th Congressional District.

00:16:06.500 They are saying it is the closest race in the country.

00:16:11.060 Welcome, Burgess Owens.

00:16:12.660 How are you?

00:16:13.740 Glenn, good to talk with you again, for sure.

00:16:16.140 And can I just say something real quickly about these folks who try to reimagine?

00:16:20.500 There's always people who've never imagined from the first place.

00:16:23.260 They've never built anything.

00:16:24.860 But from their golden tower, they always can feel they can do it much better than those who've gone out and taken a risk, figured things out, failed, and got back up again.

00:16:33.000 So that's what we're up against, those who've never understood what it is to go out there and make it happen from the very beginning.

00:16:38.740 So, Burgess, what are you hearing from people that you talk to?

00:16:42.720 What is the mood and what are people, do you believe, going to vote for in the end?

00:16:48.400 Do they understand what's really at stake?

00:16:51.900 Well, you know, Glenn, I have, I guess I'm a little eternal optimist.

00:16:55.480 I have so much faith in American people, just as I do in the faith in Utahans.

00:17:01.000 We have a natural instinct, our DNA, that has us drift toward the light.

00:17:06.080 It's been our, it's our 240-year history.

00:17:09.180 And so I see, as I look back on our history, that we've always been a country of miracles.

00:17:13.460 That's because of our foundations, our dear Christian values.

00:17:16.380 And that doesn't stop.

00:17:17.900 That doesn't end because you have certain people who say that he doesn't exist.

00:17:22.000 So I truly believe that this coming November, when the dust settles, not only will we have a president who's going to take us the next four years to show us again what American-leaving leadership looks like,

00:17:34.220 we're going to have a House and a Senate with more backbone that will actually be able to push the process forward and be able to replicate what he's doing.

00:17:42.420 So I'm one of those guys, again, I would say don't worry about the polls.

00:17:46.160 Let's think about the American people.

00:17:47.560 What do we normally do?

00:17:48.740 How do we come through when times get tough, when we always just win babies?

00:17:52.400 So I'm looking forward to seeing that happen once again.

00:17:54.080 So you're in the 4th District, which has a lot of Republicans in there, but also has a lot of independents and moderates, people who consider themselves moderate.

00:18:06.200 The guy that you're running against is trying to appeal to, he's saying he's a moderate Democrat.

00:18:12.460 But there is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.

00:18:16.180 You're not allowed in.

00:18:18.740 No, no.

00:18:19.820 Pelosi has an iron fist.

00:18:21.400 She's a dictator. 1.00

00:18:22.520 So, no, you don't come there being moderate.

00:18:24.140 You come there to vote for her.

00:18:25.380 And 85 percent of McAdams is for Pelosi.

00:18:29.180 He voted for impeachment during the time our economy was going very, very well.

00:18:33.740 He's 100 percent rating by Planned Parenthood.

00:18:36.780 That is not the sign of moderation.

00:18:38.480 And I tell you what I see is a good thing, Glenn.

00:18:43.180 This last year has been a really tough one for us.

00:18:46.000 But what we do when things get really tough, whether it be 9-11, Pearl Harbor, we just come together.

00:18:52.900 We kind of come out of that little optimism shell, that dream shell that we normally have.

00:18:57.420 And we start having conversations across the board.

00:18:59.360 So I think we're going to have – we have Democrats, we have independents, we have Republicans talking about things that we might not have talked about a couple years ago, how close it came to losing our freedom.

00:19:08.880 It came down to businesses.

00:19:09.940 They're going to worship our faith, to take our kids to school.

00:19:13.260 Those things across the board are concerning, and I think the American people will have this moment in which we realize that we cannot go toward this darkness that the Democratic Party offers.

00:19:23.500 So in this case here, right now I'm up one point, but we feel a really good ground game here with a lot of excitement.

00:19:31.740 And so, by the way, it's Burgess for Utah.

00:19:33.640 Burgess for Utah, those who want to support me because we're all – we're there, and, of course, we have the next two weeks.

00:19:38.760 But I feel very, very good that Utahns will represent our country well, and the values will help push our country back in the right direction.

00:19:47.080 Let me ask you a final question here, Burgess.

00:19:49.480 Tonight the president is facing a debate.

00:19:53.240 As somebody who has lived a long life of, you know, through the 1960s and through the civil rights movement and now with Black Lives Matter and everything else, there seems to be a movement.

00:20:13.380 I mean, when you get 50 Cent coming out and saying he's voting for Donald Trump and you see the polls of African Americans, is this movement, this walk away from the Democratic Party, is this real?

00:20:27.540 It's real.

00:20:28.460 It's real.

00:20:29.060 It's genuine.

00:20:30.080 And I tell you, this is what happens when Americans don't care what color we are, what our background, we love the idea of freedom, of opportunity.

00:20:36.260 And when we had a chance, we had a window of time where Americans crossed the board, the lowest unemployment in the history of our country for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women, teens.

00:20:46.200 Those kind of feelings, those emotions come aboard.

00:20:49.220 And once we feel it, we'll never go back to the dark.

00:20:51.780 So, yes, we're coming aboard.

00:20:53.760 I think the Black community is going to make our nation proud as we start voting for the values that have always been intrinsic within us.

00:21:01.000 We're finally saying we do not want to stay on this plantation any longer.

00:21:04.020 And when I walk through the airports and see the MAGA hats from Black Americans across the board, it says that this is the real deal, and it scares the left to death. 1.00

00:21:12.060 So get ready for some good news.

00:21:14.800 I just want people to remember, have faith in American people.

00:21:17.700 That's what it comes down to.

00:21:18.660 Don't worry about the polls.

00:21:19.860 The American people always come through at the right time at the right reasons, and we're going to get that done this November 3rd.

00:21:26.360 Burgess, you'd be one candidate I'd love to endorse, but I don't because I'm the kiss of death.

00:21:31.640 And anybody I endorse, they always lose.

00:21:36.020 They always lose.

00:21:37.060 Your friendship is enough, my friend.

00:21:38.840 It works out.

00:21:39.520 Thanks a lot, Burgess.

00:21:40.380 I appreciate it.

00:21:41.140 God bless.

00:21:42.120 That's Burgess Owens.

00:21:43.100 You can find his website, burgess4utah.com.

00:21:46.800 A lot of money from the left is being shoveled into this seat to expand the Democratic arm.

00:21:55.880 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:22:01.040 Oh, this has got to be a day that James Lindsay prayed.

00:22:08.820 I mean, I think he's an agnostic, so I don't know if he prayed, but if he was a praying man, it would be one of those days where you're like,

00:22:17.460 please, dear Lord, don't ever have me on the Glenn Beck Program talking about Donald Trump that I'm going to vote for him.

00:22:25.680 Welcome to the program, James.

00:22:27.360 How are you?

00:22:28.760 Hey, Glenn.

00:22:29.240 Good to talk to you.

00:22:30.240 Is it?

00:22:31.260 Is it really?

00:22:32.840 I mean, it is.

00:22:34.100 I'm a man of integrity, I hope so.

00:22:36.160 You are.

00:22:36.720 I say what I think.

00:22:37.860 Yeah.

00:22:38.220 I say what I believe.

00:22:39.460 I have been so impressed with you and your friends that you have been willing.

00:22:45.640 You know when you're doing something that you believe in, when it's something you really don't want to do, but you're just like, I got to do it.

00:22:59.240 And you have been that guy ever since I've known you.

00:23:03.660 You are the author of Cynical Theories, the co-founder of New Discourses, and you just put a podcast out where you explained why you're in this position now.

00:23:15.580 Can you go through that?

00:23:16.340 Yeah.

00:23:17.760 A lot of people don't understand what's happening with the election that we have right now.

00:23:22.420 They think it is a choice between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

00:23:27.160 And at the surface level, of course, it is.

00:23:29.400 We're voting for each candidate to be duly put into the office of president.

00:23:34.020 But that's not what we really have going on, because we have in Donald Trump a man who's going to govern, as we've all seen, the way that he feels like he's going to govern.

00:23:44.300 And we have in Joe Biden a man who's captured by a movement that wants to tear apart the American society at its very foundation.

00:23:51.800 People think that Donald Trump is the cause of chaos, and in some ways he is.

00:23:58.960 I mean, I think he likes chaos.

00:24:01.540 I think he operates best in chaos, at least in his mind.

00:24:04.780 And the press has always rewarded him for saying crazy things in the past, and so now it's just part of his life.

00:24:12.260 Now they hate it.

00:24:14.200 But he says things and has.

00:24:17.720 And one of the things that really concerned me in 2016 and really up until COVID is I thought this guy, you know, being a CEO was not going to be the guy who says, no, we can't do that.

00:24:30.220 The Constitution doesn't allow me to do that.

00:24:32.180 And I thought he would act on his instincts if there were real problems.

00:24:36.680 He has fought all of that authoritarian, not only maybe an instinct in him or a CEO instinct, but the press and the left were calling for him to take control of companies and take control of states, and he rejected it.

00:24:53.540 Did you see that one coming?

00:24:56.000 No, I didn't.

00:24:56.840 His rhetoric is very often kind of authoritarian, and it has been something that a lot of people have been duly concerned about for the last, I guess, three, three and a half years.

00:25:06.680 And it seemed like the kind of thing that would happen.

00:25:09.120 And it didn't happen.

00:25:11.080 The evidence doesn't point that direction.

00:25:12.920 So it was quite surprising, to be honest.

00:25:15.340 And you, I think this is one of the things you're really concerned about, because you are a liberal, but you're a classic liberal.

00:25:23.840 And you're seeing things now.

00:25:27.660 I mean, I am terrified of the left, not necessarily of Democrats like my Democratic neighbors, but I, the left and those who want power so badly, they'll do anything to get it.

00:25:40.720 But I think these guys are truly frightening, because look at what they did to Nancy Pelosi, or not Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein.

00:25:49.540 All she said was, this hearing was really good and productive, and it was one of the best Supreme Court hearings we've had in a long time.

00:25:57.520 Chuck Schumer said, I had a sit down with her, because the left was demanding that she be disciplined for saying that it was a good hearing.

00:26:06.280 Yeah, they're completely off the rails.

00:26:09.780 And that's what people kind of need to understand, is when I said at the beginning that this is an election between Donald Trump and then a movement that's controlling Joe Biden, the movement is the one that wants to sit down and talk to people who have their own mind.

00:26:23.420 I don't know how many of your listeners or how familiar you are with the Evergreen State College situation, where that college melted down in 2017.

00:26:31.920 I see Joe Biden as the George Bridges character.

00:26:35.980 George Bridges was the president of Evergreen.

00:26:38.320 He was not woke.

00:26:39.560 He did not come in as a woke president to run the college.

00:26:42.400 He came in as a guy who was going to be permissive to the radicals, and in particular, a couple of faculty members and a contingent of students that were a small minority of the college.

00:26:53.780 And that's what it takes, because people don't know how this operates.

00:26:57.220 This ideology operates by taking over administrative bureaucracies, what a lot of your listeners will call the administrative state.

00:27:04.480 That's where they will work their way in.

00:27:06.440 And the question is, do you have a guy in office who's fighting it?

00:27:09.040 Trump just put out the executive order against critical race theory.

00:27:12.480 Or do you have a guy in office who's going to either permit it or put the accelerator to the floor, like I talked about on your podcast?

00:27:18.820 Biden is not only going to be permissive of it, he's going to put the accelerator to the floor.

00:27:22.400 He's talking about wanting to add justices to the Supreme Court, add seats.

00:27:28.440 I think he said something about it today, or CNN reported that.

00:27:32.020 There are articles coming out on the left talking about wanting to abolish the Constitution.

00:27:37.080 We hear abolish the police, abolish all the things we don't like, now abolish the Constitution.

00:27:41.980 And this cannot stand.

00:27:43.760 The question is, are we going to fill our administrative state with people who are going to make this the policy?

00:27:52.480 They're going to twist the words so that the laws are less relevant or that are interpreted in different ways.

00:27:57.900 They'll interpret our Constitution in new ways, the so-called living Constitution on steroids.

00:28:03.420 Not just a matter of, you know, jurisprudence, but rather on steroids, like literally reinterpreting the whole thing.

00:28:12.060 Let me give you a quick example.

00:28:13.840 The Fourth Amendment protects against search and seizure of property.

00:28:17.720 Well, if you mainline a narrative that we live on stolen land, the Fourth Amendment doesn't protect against the search and seizure of stolen property.

00:28:25.220 So if we live on stolen land and everything was made out of stolen labor from slavery, and those are the main narratives, all of a sudden the Fourth Amendment protects you against nothing.

00:28:35.300 And so you don't have to change the Constitution.

00:28:37.380 You don't even have to abolish the Constitution.

00:28:39.260 And if we fill our administrative state with people who think this way, who want power and want to exercise power in this way, it doesn't actually matter who the president is.

00:28:48.340 It doesn't matter who the legislators are.

00:28:49.820 It doesn't matter any of that.

00:28:51.040 That's how they're going to operate at that level of administrative policy that's mostly unaccountable to voters.

00:28:57.460 We're talking to James Lindsay, the author of the book that I highly recommend, Cynical Theories, about how he has gone from never vote for a Republican, never vote for Donald Trump, to now I must vote for Donald Trump.

00:29:13.780 The press has gone really, truly over the edge.

00:29:23.980 They have looked into the abyss and jumped.

00:29:27.500 They are now talking about censoring anything that they disagree with.

00:29:35.840 The evidence now on these emails that are coming out against Joe Biden that shows that he is absolutely corrupt, they're being verified left and right.

00:29:48.180 There are more emails that are matching it.

00:29:50.300 One of the guys who was the CEO of the Hunter Biden company that did the email or was on the email chain, did the deal in China.

00:29:58.640 He's come out today and said, this has got to stop.

00:30:03.100 Yes, that deal was done.

00:30:04.880 And Joe Biden is the big guy.

00:30:07.360 And yet they are not talking about it at all.

00:30:10.820 There's I mean, there's no chance of getting the truth anymore from the media.

00:30:15.400 I mean, if you look even at the critical race theory executive order, we saw that immediately they came out just person after person after person, outlet after outlet.

00:30:29.520 They're still doing it, saying that President Trump has banned diversity training or has banned racial sensitivity training.

00:30:36.180 Well, those are lies.

00:30:37.080 He did not.

00:30:38.080 And if you read the executive order, he didn't even technically ban critical race theory.

00:30:42.200 He banned the divisive things that critical race theory does, and he banned the teaching of it as fact.

00:30:48.400 He says, in fact, in the executive order, it says you can teach it in the sense that you might teach a comparative religions class where you'd say Christianity believes this.

00:30:56.960 Islam believes that these are what different religions believe.

00:31:00.020 Critical race theory believes this.

00:31:02.020 You can teach it that way with, you know, the other people believe differently, but you can't teach it as fact.

00:31:07.980 And you can't put it especially in administrative trainings in the federal government or contractors or education.

00:31:12.820 And they came out and just lied about it.

00:31:15.900 And you talk about censorship.

00:31:17.140 You had the British member of parliament.

00:31:20.600 Kemi the other day spoke up and said the critical race theory is divisive.

00:31:25.180 And Facebook and Twitter started to immediately censor her speech.

00:31:28.800 And so this is very weird.

00:31:31.680 This is very not liberal in the sense of what our constitution has.

00:31:38.280 I know that's Britain, but nevertheless, Facebook is not a British company.

00:31:42.380 This is very not liberal in the sense of what our constitution is about.

00:31:46.060 Free speech, free thought, free religion, all of these things.

00:31:49.820 It's very concerning.

00:31:50.900 And this is the movement that is controlling the Democratic Party.

00:31:54.860 It is my belief that there has been a largely effective kind of velvet coup, silent coup of the Democratic Party that's turned it completely in the control of this movement.

00:32:05.240 And that's what we're going to be electing if we elect Joe Biden.

00:32:07.960 So I can't do it.

00:32:11.300 Do you have friends that are waking up?

00:32:15.540 I mean, you just have to be a pariah with your old circle of friends.

00:32:19.320 You know, when I say friends, I don't mean good friends, but I mean, are you are you seeing anybody else waking up?

00:32:27.640 Is this is this censorship being done by Twitter and and and Google and Facebook?

00:32:35.880 Is is any of this playing a role with your friends?

00:32:38.760 Do they see?

00:32:39.500 Wait a minute.

00:32:39.840 Wait a minute.

00:32:40.660 This this is way out of control.

00:32:43.880 Well, first, I will tell you that we can include good friends.

00:32:47.000 So I've definitely been thrown under the bus by good friends and family members, as a matter of fact, for this.

00:32:52.600 But that said, I mean, written out of their lives.

00:32:55.160 And so that said, though, there are people waking up.

00:32:58.720 And as a matter of fact, I'm being told that the podcast about about why I said it's called Biden is not the room where we're where it's not Biden that matters.

00:33:07.920 It's the movement that controls Biden, the podcast that put on a new discourses yesterday.

00:33:11.960 I'm having people tell me that this is having an amazing impact, that people are seeing that the censorship, that these willingness, that the willingness, the express willingness to change the fundamental structure of our government and to hold the Constitution in open contempt.

00:33:27.440 That's scaring people even more than the riots and the excuse.

00:33:32.220 It's not even the riots.

00:33:33.360 OK, so it's the excuses that were made for the riots that really have scared people.

00:33:38.400 Our main media, many even left winging and Democratic politicians speaking up, saying that there are reasons that these riots, these arsons, these these lawless behaviors all summer were justified.

00:33:49.440 And let's name the reason as racism and say it's a public health threat that we now have to treat like it's a pandemic.

00:33:58.180 I mean, people are actually horrified by this.

00:34:00.460 So I'm seeing kind of three kinds of responses so far.

00:34:06.420 One is that people are very happy if they are supposed to lean to the right.

00:34:11.240 One is that people are mortified and are hoping that I'll reconsider and are reaching out to me vigorously.

00:34:16.620 And one is that people are being quite nasty with me.

00:34:19.160 But then in the kind of the corner, I'm also hearing a bit of a significant amount, really.

00:34:25.920 People saying, thank you.

00:34:27.820 You make me feel like I'm not crazy and I can breathe.

00:34:30.440 I can finally breathe in what I know I have to do.

00:34:34.640 It's a tough, tough decision.

00:34:37.580 I have somebody very close in my life who said, I'll never, ever, ever, ever, ever vote for him ever.

00:34:44.020 And I had a conversation with them recently and said, I understand.

00:34:50.480 But and they stopped me and said, oh, no, I'm there.

00:34:54.500 I'm voting for him.

00:34:55.820 Wait, what?

00:34:57.580 They see it.

00:34:59.080 They see it.

00:34:59.920 If you're willing to open your eyes, you see what we are really facing.

00:35:05.440 James, I I from the first time we met and and we we talked, I found you to be an honest broker that was willing to listen and have their mind changed if you could present a good case.

00:35:25.300 And I think I struck you as the same kind of person.

00:35:29.760 There's things that I do and believe I don't want to believe because it's not fun, but I do.

00:35:36.140 And that is a person of integrity.

00:35:38.060 And and I I can't thank you enough for not only having the integrity, but the courage to then make it so clear to so many others.

00:35:49.000 Thank you.

00:35:50.860 Thanks, I appreciate that.

00:35:52.500 You bet.

00:35:53.420 His Web site is new discourses dot com.

00:35:56.440 Make sure you listen to the podcast.

00:35:58.400 Stu, let's tweet, tweet it out and Facebook it.

00:36:01.220 And let's send that.

00:36:02.980 Let's send that out.

00:36:04.160 His podcast from yesterday, because it is it's gone viral.

00:36:08.480 And he is a very, very logic.

00:36:11.300 He's a mathematician.

00:36:12.460 He's very logical.

00:36:13.480 Na, na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 22, 2020

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