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00:00:15.140 Hey, in today's podcast, you're going to get a lot of really good stuff,

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00:00:33.820 My message to Europe about NATO, what I think we need to say to Europe and NATO, that the president just won't or can't.

00:00:42.600 Well, I don't want to count him out.

00:00:44.260 He might someday, but I said it today.

00:00:46.560 Also, Charlie Duke, he was the youngest guy ever to walk on the moon, one of the last guys to walk on the moon.

00:00:51.740 We talk about the moon launch and its importance.

00:00:53.960 also Jared Isaacman. He is almost an Elon Musk, and he is now the head of NASA. We talk about the

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00:03:11.640 us. Now let's get to work. I have to tell you, we live in such amazing times. And yesterday I

00:03:33.620 was thinking you know 15 years ago i remember doing a monologue saying uh look at the minds

00:03:39.780 the intellects that were our founding fathers they were the greatest my benjamin franklin

00:03:45.760 we have a we have a paper from the london times uh back in the day where benjamin franklin had

00:03:52.060 been on a boat for three months going over there to talk to the king and they said hey he's been

00:03:56.820 doing these electricity experiments with lightning we think he has a lightning gun if you live in

00:04:02.360 london be careful because he might just try to use his lightning gun to burn london down i mean

00:04:08.340 he was so far ahead of things um at the time and jefferson was the same way and i thought

00:04:13.040 where are the great minds i want to tell you we are living through remarkable times right now

00:04:20.960 the brains the the talent and the good people that are actually working to change and save our

00:04:28.620 country is is I don't I don't think we would I don't think we would have survived if if Elon

00:04:35.240 Musk hadn't have changed things at X so we could actually have freedom of speech again and Jared

00:04:40.520 Isaacman is an amazing American he is the NASA administrator the new NASA administrator

00:04:47.760 he is a guy who is a private citizen he was also one of the first private citizens in space the

00:04:57.180 first private citizen to perform a spacewalk he ran draken and shift for really successful private

00:05:05.160 businesses um and now is making the changes needed at nasa that is going to change everything in the

00:05:13.380 world uh and he joins me now how are you sir i'm doing great glenn how are you i am i am really

00:05:22.080 great what an amazing day yesterday i talked to somebody uh who was with you and watched you and

00:05:29.380 said he was very stoic everybody else was cheering and clapping and you just smiled there towards the

00:05:36.620 end you were very stoic it had to be at least it was for me because of i watched the challenger

00:05:44.040 explode it was terrifying all the way it was exciting but i was worried about every little

00:05:49.340 thing. You know more than I do. What was going through your mind? Yeah. Oh, well, uh, I have

00:05:56.140 to tell you being, uh, being strapped into the rocket, being on top of it is a lot less stressful

00:06:01.500 than being on earth and being responsible for it. So, um, you know, those, uh, you know,

00:06:07.180 those astronauts embarking on, on Artemis too, for sure are, uh, undertaking the opening act

00:06:13.380 and America's great return to the moon, but they also really represent, you know, kind of the

00:06:19.660 spearhead of America's space program right now. So there is an awful lot on this mission, and I

00:06:24.660 understand that ascent, which is what you witnessed yesterday, is just one part of the story, right?

00:06:30.140 It was a very clean launch. There's no doubt about it, but we have nine more days to go until they

00:06:35.220 splash down off the west coast of the United States. So, Jared, can you explain, because I am

00:06:41.440 shocked at just the responses from some of my tweets the people who say this is a waste of

00:06:47.600 money this makes no difference this is you know we didn't go in the first place uh all the way to

00:06:53.160 um this is just america's ego uh trip can you explain clearly to the average person why this

00:07:01.420 is not the apollo you know we're not going to get tang out of this that this actually will change

00:07:08.380 everything as we know it the space economy alone oh for for sure glenn thanks for the question

00:07:15.380 honestly we could be talking about this uh all afternoon like we we don't hit the pause button

00:07:20.340 on progress here in this country like we continue to move forward you know are the arguments good

00:07:26.160 that we have a lot of other problems and hardships we should be dealing with sure absolutely you know

00:07:30.680 what nasa's budget is it's a quarter percent of the discretionary budget i think that is a small

00:07:35.860 price to pay to go out and see what we, you know, what we might learn, what we might discover that

00:07:41.880 could have scientific potential, economic potential, geez, national security potential.

00:07:47.040 I mean, the high ground of space matters right now. And where we are going, we are going to the

00:07:52.060 moon, but it's going to be different this time. No doubt we are picking up after the pioneers from

00:07:56.560 the Apollo era, but we're going back to stay. We're building a moon base and we are going to

00:08:02.300 turn that moon base into a scientific and technological proving ground. We are going to

00:08:06.920 test things you can't do on Earth. You can't do in low Earth orbit where the International Space

00:08:13.040 Station is. And what we will learn there will help us someday go to Mars. This is our destiny to go

00:08:19.040 out and explore the solar system. I mean, it's part of our DNA. We've crossed all the seas. We've

00:08:24.940 climbed all the mountains. We've discovered all the islands. Well, you know where the next grand

00:08:28.540 adventure is it's out there in space so jared i i think that we are missing a good portion of

00:08:38.700 the american people i i'm i would not be surprised if it was only 20 percent of the american people

00:08:43.640 knew about this launch uh yesterday which is a crying shame um and then people don't really

00:08:50.200 understand it and when it's couched as this is just about discovery and science and crossing

00:08:57.100 into the unknown i don't think it connects connects with people as much as actually talking

00:09:05.340 about a spaceport about how this is the future this in ai that is the future of the economy

00:09:14.800 am i wrong no there's there's absolutely no doubt we all know that a orbital and eventually a lunar

00:09:23.020 economy is inevitable. I mean, we're going to be 3D printing with the lunar regolith at some

00:09:28.460 point in time in the future. You could be mining helium-3 on the moon, which can generate a more

00:09:33.120 efficient fusion reaction. I mean, right now, energy is everything, right? So there is absolutely

00:09:39.100 economic potential out there, but certainly scientific as well, right? Knowledge is absolutely

00:09:44.740 power. And then, look, I think an inherent component of everything we do at NASA is also

00:09:51.200 inspiration i guarantee you after this mission there are going to be more kids dressing up as

00:09:56.260 astronauts for halloween they're going to grow up and contribute to this adventure and take

00:10:00.780 humankind farther you know what what price do you put on that so we're going up in artemis 3

00:10:08.420 i think next year right and um what is that one for because artemis 4 we actually land on the moon

00:10:17.700 right right so we are we are getting back to the basics uh the formula we used in the 1960s that

00:10:23.900 uh helped us achieve the near impossible then which is we are we're undertaking these missions

00:10:29.020 in phases learning to inform the next one so right now artemis 2 is testing the spacecraft

00:10:34.440 and just to give you an update those four astronauts right now are uh are getting one

00:10:39.140 heck of a view in a in a highly elliptical orbit so at its at its peak right now they're

00:10:45.280 approximately 43,000 miles away from Earth, right? And at its low point, they swing around

00:10:51.680 extremely fast, very low to Earth, about 115 miles above Earth. And they're going to stay there

00:10:57.540 until about another 12 hours or so. We're going to have a meeting and make sure all the systems

00:11:03.380 are good. And then we're going to send them on the translunar injection where they will go around

00:11:06.800 the moon farther into space than any humans have ever gone before. This is all a flight test for

00:11:11.740 this vehicle and rocket. That's Artemis II. Artemis III in 2027 is going to be very Apollo

00:11:17.220 9-esque, where we will rendezvous the spacecraft, Orion, with the landers, but we're going to do it

00:11:22.660 in Earth orbit, where we're close to home. And we're going to get very comfortable with the

00:11:26.380 integrated operations. And then in 2028, you're going to have Artemis IV, which will actually

00:11:31.440 land NASA astronauts on the moon. In parallel, though, we are building the moon base. Starting

00:11:37.020 in early 2027 literally on a nasa moon base website you are going to see robotic uncrewed

00:11:42.800 landings on a near monthly cadence as we start testing out mobility and power and navigation

00:11:48.760 uh you know surface uh surface improvement scientific experiments tech demonstrations

00:11:53.960 like actually working with the water ice on the moon we're going to do that in parallel building

00:11:59.040 the base so when our astronauts arrive they've got a lot of equipment to work with so can we

00:12:04.920 talk about why that's important to have a lot of equipment up there well i mean we've we've never

00:12:12.440 uh you know we've never inhabited another celestial body and i'll tell you and this is

00:12:17.060 remarkable and you know this of course for more than 25 years there has been a continuous american

00:12:22.340 presence in low earth orbit at the international space station so if you're 25 years old or younger

00:12:27.240 there hasn't been a time you've been alive on this planet where there weren't american astronauts

00:12:31.380 orbiting above you. But if you're going to put astronauts in space and keep them alive,

00:12:36.180 the best place to do it is low Earth orbit. You've got the atmosphere and Earth's magnetosphere there

00:12:40.880 that protect you from radiation and micrometeoids and orbital debris. But where you want to go next

00:12:46.440 is to the surface, the surface, the moon, where you can interact with the regolith. You can build

00:12:50.920 habitation. You can cover the habitation with regolith for protection against meteoroids and

00:12:55.860 radiation. You can work with the water ice. And if you can work with the water ice on the moon,

00:13:00.840 you can make hydrogen, you can make oxygen, and those are key propellants. And why does that

00:13:07.620 matter? Because when you send astronauts to Mars someday, you're going to need to make your own

00:13:11.920 propellant to come home. Better to prove that out on the moon when you're three days away than on

00:13:16.620 Mars when you're nine months away. But we're also, we're not that far ahead of China. I mean,

00:13:23.500 Russia's way behind, other nations are way behind, but I know a lot of nations that do not want to

00:13:29.320 do business with china are rushing to us now and saying can we be a part of your space program

00:13:34.220 because it's going to be one or the other whoever gets there first is going to get the prime spot

00:13:41.520 unless we have you know loaded a lot of boxes in that area um uh and uh the leadership matters

00:13:50.280 does it not it does matter and i'll tell you that's that's changed under this uh under this

00:13:56.060 administration you know and under the prior administration you'd be shocked but a lot of

00:14:00.120 our international partners were actually considering and having discussions with the

00:14:04.820 chinese because they thought america's space program has lost its way that's changing now

00:14:10.640 we have it would we have launched it would we have launched yesterday had trump not and i don't

00:14:17.160 want to make that because it's impossible for you to answer this about you but if he hadn't have

00:14:21.180 made it possible for you to go in and you make the changes that needed to be made in the last year

00:14:27.600 would we have launched yesterday well i'll be very honest with you i uh artemis 2 for sure

00:14:33.500 would have launched at some point this year you know almost regardless of who's the president

00:14:39.140 the question is would we have an achievable plan to actually get back to the moon in the next you

00:14:45.320 know couple of years the answer is no without the president trump's national space policy and

00:14:50.320 Without the investments from the one big, beautiful bill, we would not have the mandate or the resources to increase moon rocket production, launch again in 2027, that critical risk buy-down mission of rendezvousing the spacecraft with the landers.

00:15:04.860 We would not have had achievable path back to the surface.

00:15:07.660 We certainly would not have a moon base.

00:15:11.100 So one last question.

00:15:12.760 We're going to run out of time.

00:15:13.720 I could talk to you all day.

00:15:14.600 um i i i am a small government guy but i also love nasa um but i um i want to make sure that

00:15:24.620 we're smart and i think sometimes government almost always just becomes big and lumbering

00:15:29.680 and can't get out of its own way i like the fact that spacex blue origin and other private

00:15:36.780 companies are partnering do you see in the end nasa as kind of we would be running our military

00:15:45.200 and anything government needs to do but more of the the port and then we're charging these other

00:15:52.760 companies to come and use the port but our government is kind of in charge of the the big

00:15:58.560 port to space or do you see nasa as the full thing so i i think that the taxpayers all contribute

00:16:08.520 uh into nasa for us to do the near impossible what no company or other government agency or

00:16:14.460 other nation is capable of doing now that's not always been the case there are times you know

00:16:19.560 when you lose your way and you're doing a lot of things to make a lot of people happy and what you

00:16:23.900 find out is that as an agency, you're actually competing with the SpaceX's or the Blue Origins.

00:16:28.860 That's not how it is supposed to work. This is why we are recalibrating back to doing the near

00:16:33.960 impossible. We announced two weeks ago, Space Reactor One Freedom, a nuclear power and propulsion

00:16:40.340 spacecraft. It's an interplanetary spacecraft that we will launch in 2028. There are no humans on

00:16:45.500 board. It will carry the Skyfall scientific payload, which is three helicopters, if you will,

00:16:51.240 that are going to fly around the red planet and explore it.

00:16:54.140 That's what NASA is supposed to do.

00:16:55.960 Nuclear power and propulsion.

00:16:56.940 Unbelievable.

00:16:58.720 SpaceX and Blue Origin.

00:17:00.560 NASA figured out the chemical propulsion game a long time ago.

00:17:04.400 We handed it off to industry.

00:17:05.760 SpaceX and Blue Origin, through competitive dynamics,

00:17:08.820 have improved the capabilities.

00:17:10.660 You have reusability now.

00:17:11.920 It costs less.

00:17:12.640 Great.

00:17:12.900 That helps us in our mission to do more science and discovery,

00:17:16.020 to build a moon base.

00:17:17.060 But it means we need to shift focus and resources to doing what they can't do.

00:17:21.240 you know, there's no business case for nuclear reactors and nuclear power and propulsion in

00:17:25.340 space. That is something that NASA should be doing. Uh, and, and when we figure that out

00:17:30.920 someday, if there's a business case, we can hand it off to industry and then we'll work on our

00:17:34.080 fusion drives because someday we're going to, we're going to want to actually be able to have a,

00:17:37.600 uh, a mission to another star system. So NASA never goes at this alone. We didn't go alone

00:17:42.900 in the sixties. We work with our commercial partners and international partners to do the

00:17:46.840 near impossible. Jared, it's really exciting to know you and an honor to know you, and you are

00:17:54.440 exactly the right guy for the job at this time. Thank you so much, and congratulations to everybody

00:18:00.020 on the team all over the world that has put Artemis up, and we will continue to pray for

00:18:05.380 the astronauts. Thank you. Thank you. We'll keep you posted. I was glad to see you at the launch

00:18:09.740 yesterday. Thanks for coming. Thank you, Jared. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck

00:18:16.340 program. All right, so let me just start with basic. What is NATO? What is NATO? Well, there

00:18:24.320 was a time right after the guns fell silent in 1945, and we realized the Atlantic Ocean didn't

00:18:30.580 divide us. It actually binds us, and we had a common enemy. We had fascism and we had communism,

00:18:38.740 And out of the ashes of World War II came this North Atlantic treaty organization, NATO.

00:18:45.760 It wasn't just a military pact, but a promise that we would stand together against tyranny

00:18:50.700 if anybody tried to overrun the West and try to kill Western civilization.

00:18:56.720 Again, we would do that.

00:18:58.620 And because we're like this, we decided we would help repair Europe because you had nothing.

00:19:06.360 It was over for Europe.

00:19:07.800 And so, yes, we're imperfect. Sometimes we're loud. Sometimes we're often unrefined. But we had a big wallet and we opened our wallet. We opened our hearts. We opened our factories. And we rebuilt Europe. Okay? And we were proud to do it. Proud to do it.

00:19:26.900 but then something happened along the way a couple of things

00:19:31.120 one you just expected us to keep doing it and then two you decided that you were going to be

00:19:40.440 an empire builder 1956 this is when our our special alliance really started to fall apart

00:19:46.620 it was the Suez Canal crisis the Suez crisis is it's called Britain and France alongside with

00:19:52.580 Israel moved on Egypt, and they just assumed that America was going to fall in line. Well,

00:19:58.660 our president at the time was General Dwight D. Eisenhower, and he was like, no, no, we're not

00:20:05.240 going to get involved in this. In fact, we have to prevent you from doing this. And he didn't do

00:20:09.520 it to weaken Europe. He tried to do it to save Europe. The world was watching. The Cold War was

00:20:15.620 tightening. And the West couldn't look like it was an empire clinging to its past. And that is

00:20:23.000 the moment that the relationship changed. And it should have become a partnership of equals,

00:20:29.520 but it didn't. It just got worse and worse and worse for us. So Europe, let's discuss this

00:20:36.920 special relationship that you're so worried about now. And I want you to know, I'm just one American,

00:20:43.180 I'm speaking for myself, and I actually like Europe, or at least what it was, not what you

00:20:49.120 are becoming. And quite honestly, you might feel the same way about us, and that's fine.

00:20:54.120 But let me at least help you understand where many Americans are coming from.

00:20:59.120 Back in the 1980s, we continued to pay for almost your entire defense. Ronald Reagan stood before

00:21:08.740 you and warned, do not become dependent on Russian energy. Don't trade short-term comfort

00:21:16.220 for long-term vulnerability. He said it plainly and repeatedly. You heard him, but what did you do?

00:21:24.260 You built pipelines anyway. And we were dumb enough to go, well, we're going to continue to

00:21:29.100 defend you while you're doing business with your enemy. This is when the consequences came.

00:21:35.260 when russia moved again america stepped in again recently we spent political capital

00:21:44.560 at home against the will of the american people none of us wanted to be involved in ukraine we

00:21:50.880 can't still can't figure out how that's our war okay but we sent billions upon billions upon

00:21:57.180 billions of dollars in aid, more than you did. Weapons, intelligence, logistics, support.

00:22:04.500 We spent our treasure in the illusion that we were partners. But I guess in some ways we were

00:22:13.500 partners. I mean, I guess, I mean, we spent billions of dollars so the Ukrainian elite

00:22:18.820 could buy Italy's Ferraris. So Paris could sell its beloved couture. So Monaco could rake in the

00:22:26.180 on its gaming tables.

00:22:28.400 You're welcome, Europe.

00:22:30.040 And in a moment of our own insanity,

00:22:33.000 we actually paid the pension

00:22:35.440 for the Ukrainian government workers.

00:22:38.880 We put ourselves deeper in debt

00:22:41.640 for your security

00:22:43.440 and our hypothetical security.

00:22:47.180 Okay, how is this a problem for America?

00:22:51.640 But I want to thank you

00:22:52.980 for thanking us so much

00:22:54.120 and repaying, oh no, no,

00:22:55.540 just like always you never repay us at least not in cash instead you take our hard-earned money

00:23:02.020 from american taxpayers and you squander it we can do that ourselves quite frankly we're pretty

00:23:08.120 good at it we don't need you to help us we you know also something that really bothers me we

00:23:13.580 seem to worry more about the rapes of your own daughters and mothers and sisters on the streets

00:23:20.020 of Ukraine and Denmark and Norway and Great Britain and France than your governments do.

00:23:26.380 Why do we care more about that than your government does?

00:23:31.680 Maybe it's because your government believes that the American cash machine is always going

00:23:37.060 to be there, and they think you're dumb enough just to allow them to continue to buy your

00:23:42.080 vote.

00:23:42.700 But you're not that dumb, and neither are we.

00:23:45.960 You know, we wonder why they should care about who's raping your citizens when it seems at least they're so busy raping the American people.

00:23:58.100 We have hemorrhaged treasure in Ukraine, a country that honestly means nothing to our national security, in my opinion, but everything to yours.

00:24:09.880 And we did it not because it was popular at home.

00:24:12.220 it's because apparently we still believe perhaps stubbornly in the idea that the west stood

00:24:19.360 together on something that we were all together trying to fight the bad guys the bullies the

00:24:24.840 bloodthirsty but let's be honest about what together actually has become to mean America

00:24:32.720 spends you hesitate America deploys you debate America warns you delay or just walk right

00:24:40.460 through it. And then when the American people hire somebody, Donald Trump, who will actually

00:24:46.960 say what you're all thinking in your own countries and point to the problems and then try to solve

00:24:53.000 them in our country, the criticism comes back from your leaders that America is rude. Yep,

00:25:00.560 we are. Sorry, we don't have tea in the afternoon. America is brash. Yep, that's what got us over

00:25:07.960 here and made us cross the mountains. Now it's America is somehow the problem. No, no, no,

00:25:13.820 nope, not going to stand for that. We're not the problem. The problem is this, a partnership where

00:25:20.200 one side carries the weight indefinitely. That's not a partnership. That's a, oh, it's a very

00:25:26.780 special alliance, but one we shouldn't be in. Alliances are tested in moments that cost both

00:25:34.460 something. And recently, when the stakes were not theoretical, when the stakes were immediate,

00:25:43.620 you couldn't even grant the United States, your special alliance, something that would have cost

00:25:50.300 you nothing, nothing. When the moment comes that requires a smidge of clarity and courage,

00:25:58.800 you couldn't even agree to open your own airspace to the very ally that has carried your burden for

00:26:06.560 decades. We didn't ask you for troops. We didn't ask you for treasure. We asked if our planes

00:26:13.900 could borrow your sky for a few minutes. Sky that would have allowed us to strike the future

00:26:22.300 capability of nuclear-tipped missiles, missiles that have pointed north instead of elsewhere,

00:26:29.400 would have reached your cities, your capital, your people. And your leaders have the balls to say,

00:26:36.920 that threat wasn't real. Really? Really? Ask Mr. Starmer to explain the missile that Iran

00:26:43.940 launched at us that traveled 4 000 miles gee i could have hit paris france but it didn't so it

00:26:53.120 must not exist and while we're here speaking plainly let's talk about oil for a second

00:26:58.280 because donald trump said go get your own oil and this is one american that says yeah yeah and i like

00:27:04.020 europe i really like europe but i am sick and tired of this for decades you have enjoyed energy

00:27:13.180 that was cheaper i mean not cheaper than here because you're most of your money it's all in

00:27:18.440 taxes but you're you have cheaper oil than you do now why not because of smart policy but because

00:27:26.380 the united effing states navy patrolled the sea lanes who was it that shot the somali pirates in

00:27:35.580 the head. You guys or us? Who confronted the terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz? You or us?

00:27:43.280 We absorb the cost of keeping global trade flowing so your economy can run without interruption.

00:27:51.800 That stability is not free, gang. It was paid for in American ships, American lives,

00:27:57.960 and American dollars. So yes, yes, your gasoline, your petrol is going to cost you more now

00:28:05.060 because of the short-sighted politicians and you know it you're not with them you know it

00:28:11.380 and by the way you think your fuel costs are high now most of that cost is tax so they can

00:28:18.240 house and feed and care for the very extremists that came to destroy you remember NATO was to

00:28:26.040 stop anyone who was trying to destroy the west you're importing them as are we but we're at

00:28:32.600 trying to wake up and stop it by the way wait until you see what your taxes do now that you

00:28:38.460 actually have to raise an army to protect yourself if you even have a natural enough

00:28:44.240 natural born citizens that still believe your country is worth fighting for ask germany how

00:28:49.360 that's working out we're cousins it doesn't have to be this way but your politicians

00:29:02.500 chose to slap your partner across the face while still expecting us to guard your front door,

00:29:08.940 your back door, and all your windows. And we understand why. You and I both know many of

00:29:16.660 your cities are now dealing with something your leaders are unwilling to name because they're

00:29:23.640 chicken. This is an ideology that doesn't believe in the West, doesn't believe in your values,

00:29:29.560 doesn't believe in your civilization it doesn't believe it should even endure or be there at all

00:29:34.880 it's the same ideology that we are now confronting directly openly in iran and your leaders hesitate

00:29:44.020 not because they don't see it but because they fear what it means to admit it but you know what

00:29:49.900 denial doesn't neutralize the danger it invites it so europe here's where at least this america

00:29:57.700 American stands. We are not walking away from the world. We like you. We want to have a

00:30:04.520 relationship with you. But we are so done pretending that an alliance is healthy when

00:30:09.980 it's all one-sided, where we're always paying the bill. We're done pretending that friendship

00:30:16.580 requires silence. Real friendship, real relationship says, you got a problem, dude.

00:30:22.920 you got to solve this we're trying to help you and we are done pretending that reality can be

00:30:29.640 negotiated this American says it's time for America because we're in a bad situation too

00:30:36.260 we need to defend our interests we will confront threats as we see them and we will write our

00:30:43.920 future deliberately defiantly maybe a little roughly at times but with the belief that tomorrow

00:30:50.700 is not to be feared. It's something to build. And honestly, truly, truly, I pray

00:30:58.500 that you will get politicians that will stand with us in that work. But understand this. If

00:31:07.560 you continue to refuse to look into the mirror, if you refuse to name what's happening within

00:31:12.280 your own borders, if you continue to depend on others while resenting them for it, the story

00:31:18.900 we once wrote together, page by

00:31:20.960 page, sacrifice by sacrifice,

00:31:23.060 it's not going to end in triumph for you.

00:31:26.520 It will have you ending as a cautionary tale.

00:31:33.000 But make no mistake,

00:31:35.120 while you're

00:31:36.620 forced to put your pen down,

00:31:40.540 America

00:31:41.120 will keep writing.

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00:31:50.300 Let me go to Charlie Duke, retired NASA astronaut, youngest person to walk on the moon.

00:31:56.080 And Charlie, I don't know if I ever told you this.

00:31:58.660 You are the guy I remember as an eight-year-old kid watching walk on the moon.

00:32:04.220 I don't remember the moon landing, but I remember sitting in class watching you walk on the moon and drive the lunar rover and everything else.

00:32:14.800 So thank you for those memories.

00:32:16.940 Well, thank you very much.

00:32:17.980 That was Apollo 16 with John Young.

00:32:20.540 We had a great time.

00:32:23.200 And you were up there.

00:32:25.480 You know, I saw, let me really start here, Charlie.

00:32:28.040 You went up there for 71 hours.

00:32:31.600 You did something that I think only, what, 19 astronauts have ever done,

00:32:36.220 and that is stand on the face of the moon.

00:32:38.460 And there are so many people that say we didn't go.

00:32:40.700 And yesterday, as I was covering the launch and posting things,

00:32:44.900 I was astounded at the number of people that said one of two things, this is a hoax, we never went, or this is such a waste of money.

00:32:57.620 And, you know, we were in a race to get to the moon, and it was a lot about national pride back in the 60s and the 70s.

00:33:07.420 We were trying to beat the Russians, but we got a lot of things out of it.

00:33:11.240 But this time, going back and staying there is entirely different.

00:33:17.100 It is good for America, is it not?

00:33:21.420 I think so.

00:33:23.060 Certainly, you know, after so long, it's good to go back.

00:33:27.520 The knowledge that we gained from the moon, from Apollo, has been extraordinary.

00:33:33.240 600 pounds of moon rocks, all experiments we left up there that have been operating,

00:33:39.320 They had operated for about four or five years, and then NASA finally had so much data, they shut them off.

00:33:46.060 But the evidence is overwhelming that we really did land on the moon.

00:33:53.580 And so I think going back again, eventually to land, like this time on the South Pole,

00:34:01.760 will be extraordinarily beneficial for us to see the terrain down there

00:34:08.240 and the possibility of liquid of some sort down on the South Pole region.

00:34:15.160 So we don't know if it's water?

00:34:17.140 We're just assuming that that's water, that ice?

00:34:19.460 Well, years ago we sent a satellite into, it crashed into the moon,

00:34:26.620 And it was followed by another one that took some sort of experimental package.

00:34:34.600 And the debris that came out was analyzed.

00:34:38.140 And it looked like water vapor, I guess, to them.

00:34:42.840 And so the supposition is if there is water on the moon, it's at the South Pole frozen as ice.

00:34:52.440 So we're going to go down and see eventually.

00:34:55.320 and land down there if that's true that means we can make oxygen right and we can live there

00:35:04.960 right well yeah that's uh to build a moon base is uh i think one of the uh plans uh in the future

00:35:13.960 that uh and probably down there at the south pole the uh sun angle is uh uh low uh most of the time

00:35:22.200 about two degrees above the horizon, so you get deep shadows,

00:35:29.180 but you get real bright sunlight as the moon turns around once every 28 days.

00:35:38.260 So anyway, I think that's where we're planning on landing,

00:35:43.160 and eventually I think it's a good idea to build a moon base up there

00:35:49.860 and start seeing how we can use some of the resources that are on the moon

00:35:55.360 that are readily available.

00:35:58.380 I will tell you, I have Jared Isaacman on with me in about an hour from now.

00:36:03.500 And I spent time, he's the head of NASA now.

00:36:05.860 He's a businessman.

00:36:07.180 He was one of the first pilots to go up in space commercially.

00:36:11.040 He's an amazing guy.

00:36:13.320 And we were talking about what we are going to be doing with,

00:36:17.220 beginning with Artemis 3 and Artemis 4.

00:36:19.860 uh and it's we are going to move rapidly um and it it changes it it is uh it just changes

00:36:28.460 everything it just changes everything economically it changes everything and one of the things i

00:36:33.540 like about this now is you know back in the 1960s and 70s only government could pull this off but

00:36:40.280 now we're not just the government doing it it's spacex and it's bezos and it's other countries

00:36:46.740 that are also involved and we are looking to build like a a spaceport we would be we would

00:36:54.640 be the ones that would have the giant port if you will that is shipping everything up and and down

00:37:00.980 from space which is extraordinarily important i agree a moon base for me is the final objective

00:37:11.340 to have a permanent station on the moon.

00:37:14.440 We did it in South America, the Arctic, Antarctic,

00:37:18.600 and it's worked down there in that hostile environment,

00:37:21.920 and we could do the same thing up on the moon eventually.

00:37:25.420 And, you know, with vehicles that we can bring up there

00:37:31.260 through the lunar rovers and experiments packages that we could emplace,

00:37:37.000 uh, uh, we find, I think a tremendous, uh, opportunity, uh, as a, uh, a science station,

00:37:44.900 uh, on the lunar surface. Um, can you tell me yesterday I was watching it and, um, when they

00:37:53.140 took off, I thought of these guys and it's, it's different than it was in your age. Um, because

00:37:58.600 usually you guys went up once and then somebody else had a turn. These guys have been up several

00:38:05.100 times not this far but they have been up in space multiple times and so i think it kind of changed

00:38:11.040 it a little bit to where you know it's not their first time experiencing a launch but as i was

00:38:16.400 watching it charlie i because i watched i know you did too and so many others because i watched

00:38:22.340 the challenger until that thing was fully separated and at the envelope of space i felt

00:38:30.240 weird cheering when it first started i was like yes yes and it was so exciting and then

00:38:36.100 i saw that plume of smoke and it reminded me of the challenger and you are just

00:38:40.980 never ever safe um what were you feeling when they took off do you go through that where

00:38:48.440 you're worried about things that could go wrong well uh both uh they and us uh and apollo we had

00:38:56.860 an automatic abort system, that big rocket up on the top of the spacecraft, was your escape.

00:39:07.340 And if the automatic system sensed an explosion, it was going to fire that rocket and lift

00:39:14.580 the spacecraft off to a safe area.

00:39:18.940 And that was automatic up through a minute or so, if I remember.

00:39:23.400 And then after that, you went to manual so that the commander could command it if you wanted to.

00:39:30.080 And eventually, you jettisoned it because you didn't need it.

00:39:33.880 But anyway, everything went well.

00:39:38.600 And it was designed very similar to Apollo and escape systems and stuff like that.

00:39:46.800 So I felt very confident.

00:39:48.960 But the only thing, of course, they have solar panels, and we had fuel cells.

00:39:56.000 And solar panels are more reliable, I think.

00:40:01.240 And so they've gone into that, whereas, you know, in Apollo 13, we had an oxygen tank explode.

00:40:09.300 We lost all the fuel cells.

00:40:11.020 So we had a crippled spacecraft.

00:40:13.680 And fortunately, with the lunar module, we could get them back on the lunar module.

00:40:17.640 But that was a major work of mission control to save the day.

00:40:23.360 So when you went up, you didn't circle the Earth for a full day.

00:40:27.520 Right now, they're not headed towards the moon.

00:40:30.120 They're orbiting right now for 24 hours where they're just checking all of the systems to make sure nothing goes wrong because it's a new system.

00:40:38.440 It's Artemis.

00:40:39.580 And the first time humans have flown in Artemis.

00:40:42.760 So they're doing that.

00:40:44.400 You didn't have to do that.

00:40:45.580 But then on the way to the moon, what is that like headed for five days, just going to the moon?

00:40:55.760 Well, uh, we orbited for, uh, one and a half revolutions and over Australia, we accelerated to escape velocity and we were on our way.

00:41:05.640 Uh, then we had to retrieve the lunar module, uh, uh, after we got out of orbit and, uh, on our way.

00:41:13.800 And it was a 72-hour trip was the way it was designed so that we had arrived at the moon at the proper velocity and still have enough fuel to get into orbit and then get out of orbit.

00:41:30.780 So that's the way it was designed as a 72-hour trip.

00:41:35.300 And if you could get, you can get to the moon in 14 hours, but you're going so fast, you didn't, in Apollo, you didn't have enough fuel to slow down and get in orbit.

00:41:45.920 So that's why they shot you out ahead for a 72-hour trip.

00:41:53.600 That is, is there any sense of speed in space?

00:41:59.020 Not once you get out of orbit, it's not.

00:42:01.400 And in Earth orbit, of course, you look down and you're just whizzing across the surface.

00:42:07.340 And, you know, you go across the United States in 20 minutes.

00:42:13.460 And so you get a very big sensation of motion in orbit.

00:42:21.000 But on the way to the moon, you just see the Earth receding and the moon growing.

00:42:26.860 And so it's very slow.

00:42:28.060 and you don't sense your velocity,

00:42:33.760 is what I'm trying to say.

00:42:35.760 Right, yeah, yeah.

00:42:37.740 They're making a big deal that we're going farther

00:42:40.020 than we've ever gone in deep space.

00:42:41.940 We're going, I think, 5,000 miles past

00:42:44.460 where we have been before.

00:42:47.260 Right.

00:42:47.500 Is that a big deal?

00:42:48.400 Why are we doing that?

00:42:50.580 Well, that's just the way the orbit is designed,

00:42:54.620 and I think we're going out there

00:42:56.140 to see the backside of the moon, the whole of the backside, uh, we've never seen.

00:43:01.920 Haven't we flown around that? I mean, when, when Apollo went down,

00:43:07.220 the person up in the capsule was go ahead.

00:43:10.880 We flew, we flew around it, but we were only 170 miles above the moon.

00:43:15.680 And, uh, so you just have a thin strip of the backside that you see along the equator.

00:43:22.340 They're going to be 7,000 miles out, and they're going to have a view of the whole backside.

00:43:28.680 I don't know what the sun angle is going to be, and it might be some of it in darkness,

00:43:34.700 but it's going to be a spectacular view from back there.

00:43:39.260 You see the moon, and then beyond that, you'll see the Earth.

00:43:44.840 So it's going to be a spectacular view from back there.

00:43:48.820 So we have no idea what the backside actually looks like.

00:43:52.300 We know what a strip of it looks like, but we have no idea what the rest of it looks like?

00:43:57.360 Well, no, I think there's been some satellite photographs from back there.

00:44:03.200 So I think we have a pretty good idea of what most of it looks like.

00:44:09.500 But I can't answer that specifically.

00:44:12.100 I know that in Apollo, the maximum altitude we were on the backside was about 170 miles above it,

00:44:21.400 so you just saw a thin sliver of the backside.

00:44:24.760 And now, from that distance, 6,000 miles, they're going to have the whole of the backside visible.

00:44:32.280 But I think the sun angle is going to be such as it's going to be from Earth.

00:44:36.780 It's going to be about a half moon, so you'll see about half the backside in sunlight.

00:44:42.100 light and the rest in sort of dark shadow or dark so we'll see how it all looks it's going to be

00:44:49.640 uh they'll they're going to be on their way soon and that's going to be a pretty spectacular

00:44:54.520 um event the only trouble is they're not going into orbit they're just going to swing back

00:45:00.920 6 000 miles and come back uh how frustrating is it charlie how how frustrating is that to be that

00:45:08.260 close and not land it's got to be terrible it would be a very frustrating thing we yeah we were

00:45:18.660 we were in orbit and uh an hour before we'd land mattingly and the other spacecraft reported a

00:45:25.840 major problem which caused an abort and you can imagine the disappointment one hour before we

00:45:31.760 would land on the moon and they and they're going to tell us to come home fortunately mission control

00:45:36.780 saved the day and it took them seven hours to get us uh back to landing uh but they did it

00:45:45.400 and uh i you know i i'm a great uh uh expositor of the mission control they saved the day on

00:45:56.100 every apollo they were really good charlie it is an honor to know you and be able to call you

00:46:03.360 friend thank you so much for talking to us i appreciate it god bless you and god bless you

00:46:08.120 too glenn i really enjoy knowing you and uh you enjoy your program have a great day happy easter

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