The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Jason Buttrill & Dr. Karlyn Borysenko ｜ 2⧸19⧸20

00:00:00.000 Hello, America! 0.96

00:00:03.180 Sorry, today's the big coronavirus show.

00:00:09.980 And that's on tonight at 9pm, if you have to be listening to this, on Wednesday, 9pm Eastern Time.

00:00:17.520 You can watch it on Blaze TV, or you can watch it live on YouTube.

00:00:21.380 And you did some real research for this. You actually got the coronavirus, which I thought was real dedication.

00:00:25.040 Yeah, well, you know, hey, I wanted to take a quick cruise in Japan.

00:00:28.700 And to Cambodia, to Cambodia. There's nothing like Cambodia this time of year.

00:00:33.200 So anyway, we talked about it in the podcast, some of the things that you don't know,

00:00:37.260 and some real concerns that have nothing to do with health, although the health things are really scary.

00:00:43.400 Also, Bloomberg versus Sanders, the actual numbers of what's happening in the economy.

00:00:51.880 We have a woman who wrote a great article for Medium.com where she went to a Trump rally.

00:01:00.380 She was somebody six months ago who said all people who voted for Trump are racist or deplorables.

00:01:07.040 I think one of the weirdest experiences of her life was being on my program.

00:01:11.940 She considered herself a liberal.

00:01:13.680 She went to a Trump rally.

00:01:16.080 Wait until you hear that.

00:01:17.560 And my favorite segment of the day, what the hell is this story all about?

00:01:21.660 All on today's podcast.

00:01:23.220 And remember, tonight on Stew Does America, where you should subscribe, rate, and review, please, on YouTube and podcast,

00:01:29.600 we go into the pardon situation with Donald Trump.

00:01:34.520 Should we actually have pardon power for our president?

00:01:37.280 That's one part.

00:01:38.520 And the other thing is we have Aubrey Huff on, who's a Major League Baseball All-Star,

00:01:42.620 San Francisco Giant World Series champion,

00:01:44.260 who is not being allowed to attend the reunion because he likes Donald Trump too much.

00:01:48.860 We'll get into that as well on StewDoesAmerica.

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00:02:00.640 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:08.840 Oh, man, I've got some great stories on Bloomberg.

00:02:11.620 We have to get to this guy.

00:02:14.000 This guy's amazing.

00:02:15.360 He's a never-ending wealth of just crazy stories.

00:02:20.420 Opposition researcher's dream.

00:02:22.500 He is.

00:02:23.280 He is. 1.00

00:02:24.060 I mean, if the left was like, we can beat Donald Trump at being a scumbag, you win. 1.00

00:02:30.480 You win. 1.00

00:02:32.400 All right.

00:02:33.240 Let's first go to Jason Buttrell.

00:02:35.840 He's our chief researcher and head writer for the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:39.840 And this is the Wednesday night special tonight at 9 p.m.

00:02:46.140 You can find it live and on demand at The Blaze beginning at 9 p.m. tonight.

00:02:52.400 And you can also watch it, I think, just live on YouTube, The Blaze YouTube channel.

00:03:00.020 So you can watch it there if you have a friend who's like, I don't subscribe to The Blaze.

00:03:04.400 It's a great opportunity for them to see why they should.

00:03:07.760 If they miss it or if you miss it, you can only find it on demand at Blaze.com for members only because you guys are the ones who have made all of this research possible.

00:03:17.140 For two weeks, I've had him in a bubble, the coronavirus bubble, and researching everything.

00:03:25.860 And Jason was a good guy to put on this because he was very skeptical at first.

00:03:30.160 He was skeptical of, I don't think this is a big deal.

00:03:33.700 And we both were.

00:03:35.500 And where we've come out on the other end of this is, I'm not sure.

00:03:40.060 However, I think it is a big deal, and I'll explain in a minute, but I'm not sure that this is something to write off or something to panic about.

00:03:51.000 It is something just to watch closely.

00:03:53.240 Usually the topics you give me, I'm like, it's hard because the people that we're researching are trying to withhold information.

00:04:00.280 So it takes forever to try to dig out documents or whatever.

00:04:03.100 But when we talk about coronavirus, it's like, great, this is going to be easy.

00:04:05.760 But what's weird is it's almost like looking into a George Soros organization, looking into the coronavirus.

00:04:12.240 This is how it's been because they're just withholding so much information.

00:04:16.100 And that's how I've come out of this.

00:04:17.900 I'm thinking, like you've seen the outbreak and Dustin Hoffman running around saying like, we've got to find patient zero and ground zero and isolate that area.

00:04:25.100 Right.

00:04:25.540 Well, I don't think they have any freaking clue who patient zero is and where ground zero is.

00:04:30.400 Yeah, there's two things that people are saying.

00:04:32.980 It came from bat soup. 1.00

00:04:33.940 We're pretty sure it didn't come from bat soup. 1.00

00:04:36.420 However, it could have come from this market.

00:04:41.400 I mean, I really think that, you know, if we're depending on supply lines, hey, just one of General Motors, Apple.

00:04:50.960 You know, you probably shouldn't put your manufacturing sites in a place where they have an open market where bats are crapping on camels and camels are, you know, crapping on salamanders.

00:05:03.340 And they're all in cages, one on top of each other.

00:05:06.780 That's a bad idea.

00:05:08.300 Every single major outbreak that's come out, SARS, a couple of other flus, they've all come out of China. 1.00

00:05:14.260 So who was the executive was like, that's where I want my factory.

00:05:17.320 Right.

00:05:17.420 We got to do it there because, man, you get a great bowl of hot bat soup. 1.00

00:05:22.800 So so it may have come from them, but they don't think so.

00:05:27.880 We don't think that it came from a bioweapons lab because it's it's it's a natural virus.

00:05:34.340 It's too chaotic to be something that they made in a lab.

00:05:38.980 It has no markings of a of a lab virus may have been studied at that lab there in in Wuhan, but was not made in that lab.

00:05:50.600 That's not to say it didn't come out of that.

00:05:52.060 Right.

00:05:52.320 We don't know.

00:05:52.880 We don't know.

00:05:53.460 We don't know.

00:05:53.800 I mean, I looked at the study and it's pretty alarming, actually, of all the cases.

00:05:58.680 And this is back when they first were looking into this when I think it was like around 90 people had contracted at that time.

00:06:04.560 They looked at all 90 cases and they said, OK, we've there's a vast majority.

00:06:08.580 Yes, we're in that that food market.

00:06:10.340 But patient zero did not catch it there.

00:06:13.560 So he infected someone else.

00:06:15.160 That person walked into that food market.

00:06:16.960 And that's when it started.

00:06:18.380 So here's here's what you need to know.

00:06:19.940 We are talking tonight at nine o'clock.

00:06:22.340 We have a segment towards the end of the program where I talk to somebody who is in quarantine.

00:06:28.780 He's a doctor from China.

00:06:31.360 He's American, but he was in China right there and he's in quarantine right now.

00:06:38.580 And we Skyped into his into his his his secret lair and talk to him about what it was, what it was like there.

00:06:51.980 What the concerns are.

00:06:53.720 And his biggest concern is that the mortality rate on this may be low.

00:07:01.200 Right now it's at two, meaning two out of every hundred people will get it will die.

00:07:07.260 That's about the rate of the Spanish flu.

00:07:10.260 And the regular flu has a point one death rate.

00:07:16.100 He said, you know, even if this has a one percent death rate, that's a lot worse than the flu.

00:07:22.400 But the problem is, is this is so easily spread that it could affect 60, 70 million people.

00:07:30.160 And if if it only affects 40 million people around the world, that's a that that's a number of 65 million people that will die this season.

00:07:40.320 There's remember, this is a flu.

00:07:42.020 The flu that you normally get is the strain of the 1918 flu.

00:07:47.460 So we keep we keep fighting the 1918 Spanish flu every year.

00:07:53.560 There are different flus that come through, but that's the main basis of the flu that we have.

00:07:59.140 So this flu is not going away.

00:08:02.200 And if it mutates, it gets more deadly.

00:08:04.340 It's horrible.

00:08:05.560 If it just stays this way, it could kill 65 million people every single year.

00:08:11.300 And I don't know whether to trust.

00:08:13.360 That's why I'm so confused on this entire thing, because what they're saying, the vitality rate is there.

00:08:19.000 What they're saying, it's two percent.

00:08:20.280 I don't even think I can trust that because the data that we've looked at, if you just go off of what like, let's we we've gotten some statements from some cremation workers over in China.

00:08:31.140 And their information is completely contradictory to what they're saying that China is saying the vitality rate is.

00:08:37.020 And those people, by the way, who are speaking out, we will show you them tonight.

00:08:40.300 Right. Oh, my gosh.

00:08:41.820 They're in jail or suddenly disappeared or surprisingly, they caught the flu and died within a couple of days.

00:08:48.620 Yeah. Healthy, middle aged, 30 in their 30s, catching the flu and dying.

00:08:54.340 Right. Again, that does not match what they tell us.

00:08:56.880 It doesn't match.

00:08:57.580 So the the official number today, yesterday, it was seventy three thousand four hundred and thirty five people globally had this.

00:09:05.180 Today, it's up to seventy five in the death rate.

00:09:08.360 There was a 20 percent jump overnight, eighteen hundred seventy five deaths.

00:09:15.060 It's now two thousand and nine overnight.

00:09:18.660 However, that that doesn't fit.

00:09:21.820 But the real number, according to several experts, is probably closer to three hundred and fifty thousand that have been infected.

00:09:31.320 I don't doubt it.

00:09:31.960 We just don't know about it yet.

00:09:34.780 Wow.

00:09:35.180 So if you just compare that to SARS, do you?

00:09:37.480 I mean, SARS infected eight thousand people and only killed around seven hundred.

00:09:41.780 But this was after a full twelve months of China trying to cover it up, saying, no, no problem.

00:09:46.920 No problem here.

00:09:47.440 And then finally, a doctor similar to this case came out and blew the whistle on it.

00:09:52.520 That's twelve months.

00:09:53.740 We've only had this has only been a few months and they've already dwarfed.

00:09:57.720 I mean, it's over double the amount that was killed by SARS and SARS had a higher fatality rate.

00:10:02.580 See, this does not add up at all.

00:10:05.020 So you were skeptical on that number, Stu.

00:10:08.500 Why?

00:10:09.320 You said sixty five million people were going to die every year.

00:10:12.080 So, yes, I'm skeptical.

00:10:14.380 Isn't that what the research shows?

00:10:17.080 That's the 40 million people.

00:10:20.280 They believe 40 million people will get this worldwide.

00:10:24.840 It's currently an epidemic.

00:10:27.280 An epidemic is regional.

00:10:29.660 A pandemic is all around the world.

00:10:32.380 If this becomes a pandemic, they believe that 65 million, that's the low number, will contract this flu in a 12 month period.

00:10:44.580 OK, well, first of all, you said we'll die.

00:10:46.820 So that's a no, no, no.

00:10:47.660 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:10:48.380 That's a no six 40 percent of the population. 0.64

00:10:51.500 Sorry, 45 percent of the population will contract this flu in a year.

00:10:56.680 Forty five percent out of that 45 percent.

00:10:59.900 That means 65 million humans will die.

00:11:05.920 If 45 percent of the globe gets the.

00:11:07.920 Yes, yes.

00:11:09.540 So 40, if it becomes a pandemic, they believe 40 percent, 40 to 60.

00:11:15.040 I'm taking the low number.

00:11:16.600 Forty percent of the globe.

00:11:18.680 Everybody living today will get this this year.

00:11:22.800 OK, if it's a pandemic.

00:11:25.420 Wow.

00:11:25.920 I mean, that's a real, real escalation.

00:11:28.960 The only thing that they're saying, the only thing that's going to stop this, they say there's the real hope is summer.

00:11:34.920 Flu dies out in the heat.

00:11:37.840 Well, maybe global warming will save us after.

00:11:40.540 That would be so satisfying.

00:11:42.200 So and that's that's the but that's the low number.

00:11:46.240 Imagine if 40 percent of the world has a flu that you don't that you have to just shut everybody down and make sure you stay home.

00:11:55.800 If 40 percent of the world, what happens and this is the real thing that I'm focusing on two things tonight, not just the virus, but I wanted to look at what governments are doing and what big government of China really means.

00:12:13.240 That's the number one killer.

00:12:15.000 It's not the flu. 0.99

00:12:15.920 It is the Chinese government, the communist government that is killing these people because of their incompetence, their secrecy and their policies.

00:12:26.540 But I also wanted to look at what does this mean for the economy?

00:12:31.620 This should be the number one thing on Donald Trump's radar right now, because this may be the difference between winning and losing an election.

00:12:40.420 This thing, it may calm down in summer here in the United States if it even gets here this year, but it doesn't have to escape China to affect us.

00:12:55.580 India is already headed towards a recession.

00:12:58.460 There's a report out today.

00:13:00.400 Several of these car companies here in America and in the UK are struggling because they don't have parts.

00:13:09.400 In fact, Land Rover just said they're taking parts out of China in suitcases right now.

00:13:15.380 They only have parts to continue production for the next two weeks.

00:13:21.180 So what's going to happen is not only are we not getting parts and things to be able to complete products over here in America and us not getting products to the shelves here in America for us not to be able to go into Target or where Walmart.

00:13:39.400 And buy the stuff that we want, you're not going to be able to make them, sell them.

00:13:45.560 And a bigger problem currently is that companies like Apple and even Ralph Lauren, 75% of their stores now in Asia are closed and have been closed for weeks.

00:13:59.900 That's a growth market for all the way from Apple to Land Rover.

00:14:05.560 That's their number one growth market as well.

00:14:07.460 In fact, I think their number one market.

00:14:09.540 So Land Rover, Jaguar, Apple to clothing from like Ralph Lauren.

00:14:17.480 Those companies are going to take significant hits when they do their stock prices start to fall.

00:14:26.220 The stocks should have fallen already and they haven't.

00:14:31.460 And I think it's because everybody's keeping their fingers crossed and there's going to be all kinds of money printing and pumping to keep the economies of the entire globe afloat.

00:14:41.480 This is the number one, in my opinion, this is the number one concern in the short term.

00:14:49.100 In the long term, we're going to be fighting this for maybe forever.

00:14:55.040 Tonight, Jason, will you come back and let's get into some of the stats next next hour.

00:14:59.920 All right.

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00:15:38.920 Now, before I get into some of the bad news about coronavirus, let me give you some good news.

00:15:45.120 Hong Kong hotels are now telling it is now's the time.

00:15:50.580 If you've ever wanted to go to Hong Kong, now is the time.

00:15:53.460 They will give you great rates on the hotels.

00:15:56.880 They said they have plenty of occupancy.

00:16:00.500 Tourism is down.

00:16:01.800 Don't worry about why.

00:16:03.500 Don't even think about that.

00:16:04.700 But they're offering great, great deals to anybody who wants to come and stay in Hong Kong.

00:16:10.220 So roll the dice.

00:16:12.600 Roll the dice.

00:16:14.180 Go to Hong Kong.

00:16:15.020 Another advantage of the coronavirus is lobsters in America could be a lot cheaper this year.

00:16:28.220 Lobsters are a big portion of the Maine lobsters and Atlantic lobsters have all been being sold to China.

00:16:36.700 For some reason, people aren't eating out as much in China.

00:16:40.500 Don't know what it is.

00:16:41.900 That's weird.

00:16:42.420 That's weird.

00:16:43.340 I have another positive.

00:16:44.460 Yeah.

00:16:44.960 Energy use.

00:16:46.260 Down 15% in coal because of this.

00:16:49.520 In China.

00:16:50.020 Which proves the thesis of Samuel L. Jackson in that movie.

00:16:55.360 Which one was it?

00:16:56.260 The Kingsman.

00:16:56.860 When he wants to release a virus that's going to kill all the people to save the environment.

00:17:01.640 It would work.

00:17:02.720 It would work.

00:17:03.420 It would work. 1.00

00:17:03.820 All you have to do is kill a bunch of people. 1.00

00:17:05.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:05.860 You could kill them or keep them in their house. 0.96

00:17:07.680 There are some frightening things that we have found online and Jason Buttrill is with us and he is my chief researcher and staff writer, head of the writing staff. 0.98

00:17:18.040 And I asked him to take this on and tell me the difference between truth and fiction.

00:17:25.780 And there's a lot of stuff we don't know.

00:17:27.900 A lot of really important stuff we don't know.

00:17:29.660 But a lot of the videos that we're going to show tonight that are coming out of China are real.

00:17:37.240 And they're pretty terrifying.

00:17:39.300 When you see the guy and I don't know if you heard this, Jason, but the guy who, you know, we have the video of going through the hospital and seeing all the bodies and the body bags.

00:17:51.560 And he said, hey, I need 100 a day for our hospital.

00:17:56.020 He's in jail now.

00:17:57.400 That guy is amazing.

00:17:58.800 So he's absolutely amazing.

00:18:00.600 He made the most American sounding statement I've heard since, I think, 1776.

00:18:07.340 I mean, that's another weird, like, side effect from all this.

00:18:11.960 Just all the dissidents that are coming out and they're all united.

00:18:14.780 He was arrested, I think, then let go because of the outcry that said, hey, what are you doing?

00:18:21.740 The party is out of their minds right now.

00:18:24.140 So they were forced to let him go.

00:18:26.220 Now he's been rearrested.

00:18:27.780 But, yeah, you'll see it.

00:18:29.160 And he's rearrested for spreading false information.

00:18:32.460 But these guys, these whistleblowers, that's the same thing that the guy who first reported the coronavirus and just reported it not to the world, just tried to report it to his fellow workers at the hospital.

00:18:44.360 Saying, hey, if you know, if you're a hospital worker, there's something weird going on.

00:18:49.840 There's this new strain of virus.

00:18:51.580 I don't know what it is.

00:18:52.920 But just wear protection if somebody's coming in with flu-like symptoms.

00:18:57.320 The Chinese communist government arrested him, forced him to recant.

00:19:05.300 They published it.

00:19:06.620 Then he mysteriously gets sick himself and dies pretty quickly.

00:19:11.500 But before he dies, he's in an interview with, I think, the Hong Kong Free Times or something like that.

00:19:17.100 And they have him, you can hear the respirator in the background and the heart monitors, and he's just talking about, he was forced to say those things.

00:19:29.480 This is really bad.

00:19:30.520 A lot of these videos that we're going to show you tonight have all been vetted, and they're all legit.

00:19:35.320 And this has been a hard process because there's so much disinformation going out there.

00:19:39.720 We've already debunked one video that's completely fake.

00:19:43.000 I think you talked about it last week.

00:19:44.480 That one's not.

00:19:45.300 The rest of them, though, are absolutely real.

00:19:46.780 And when you see these, it's all too painfully obvious that we're not getting the full story over there.

00:19:51.100 And the problem is, is that the Chinese communist government has hired between 1,500 and 3,000 journalists to only go online and write stories debunking the truth.

00:20:05.760 Yeah.

00:20:06.000 So writing the communist line.

00:20:08.820 And so you don't know.

00:20:10.900 You have no idea what's true and what's not.

00:20:13.540 It's the worst case scenario.

00:20:15.420 And they're not only doing that.

00:20:16.400 They're writing those stories, but they're also, like, very creatively writing these stories

00:20:20.500 to get people in line.

00:20:22.220 So all of their state-run media outlets are writing these stories saying, look, all these

00:20:26.700 great things we're doing.

00:20:27.600 And that's how it's framed.

00:20:28.720 Look, all these great things we're doing to protect you.

00:20:31.400 But I guarantee you that's not what they're meant for.

00:20:33.420 They're meant to say, shut up, know your place, and get in line.

00:20:37.740 We'll show you. 1.00

00:20:38.300 It's insane.

00:20:39.000 We'll show you pictures that they are proud of.

00:20:42.360 Proud of.

00:20:43.020 Proud of.

00:20:44.340 Of the harassment by drones.

00:20:47.280 Drones are now flying all over the cities in China, and they are coming in low, and they

00:20:54.580 will say, they affectionately call them auntie or uncle, and they'll say, auntie, what are

00:21:00.820 you doing on the streets without a mask?

00:21:03.060 And they'll kind of be like, oh, this is kind of funny.

00:21:06.780 And it comes down right at them and says, you need to go home now.

00:21:12.800 Don't leave your home again.

00:21:14.340 You need to be wearing a mask, and you can see it in the eyes of the Chinese. 1.00

00:21:20.320 They're kind of like, oh, this is kind of funny, but it's weird.

00:21:23.840 Am I in trouble?

00:21:24.920 And they always end with, we're watching you.

00:21:27.840 We're watching you.

00:21:28.620 We're watching you.

00:21:30.600 I mean, it's terrifying.

00:21:32.660 The one says, you broke the law and are outside of your house.

00:21:37.560 Now a drone will follow you.

00:21:39.920 Straight up, it follows this person the entire way.

00:21:42.580 Straight up, it is insane.

00:21:44.360 Yeah, and they're doing it kind of like when they're being released in China, they're kind

00:21:49.420 of almost like have, did you notice this, like the Benny Hill music behind it?

00:21:52.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:53.060 And they speed them up as they're walking home to make it kind of funny and not spooky.

00:21:58.180 It's really bizarre.

00:21:59.940 It's really bizarre.

00:22:01.000 So you'll see that tonight because we're looking at what China is doing as a big state.

00:22:09.320 They are, I mean, how do you keep basically almost the eastern seaboard in their homes?

00:22:19.120 How would the United States government say, hey, by the way, everything, really everything

00:22:26.040 from Syracuse down to Atlanta and to the ocean, everybody stay in their home.

00:22:35.560 How, how, what?

00:22:37.280 You would have to rewrite laws.

00:22:38.900 Yeah.

00:22:39.340 Oh, yeah.

00:22:40.100 They don't have to rewrite laws.

00:22:41.960 They already have them.

00:22:42.920 But to keep those people in the street, remember, you're let out, what, every two days, one

00:22:49.460 person's let out to go shopping and that I don't think is true anymore.

00:22:53.620 I didn't see that.

00:22:54.660 Yeah.

00:22:55.160 It was like for at the beginning, you could go out to get some food, but now there is

00:22:59.580 no food.

00:23:00.060 There are no stores open.

00:23:01.760 Nothing is working.

00:23:03.860 There's no transit.

00:23:04.960 There's no grocery stores.

00:23:06.840 Nothing.

00:23:07.360 People are literally trapped in their homes, dying in their homes.

00:23:13.860 Are we going to show the video of the guy who is being locked into his, into his house

00:23:19.260 on the outside?

00:23:20.080 And they're like, it's for your own good.

00:23:21.440 And he's like, don't lock me in here.

00:23:22.720 I don't have any.

00:23:23.700 That's for your own good.

00:23:25.160 Not only locking, but actually placing a steel bar on the door just to double make sure that

00:23:31.560 he can't get out.

00:23:32.460 Some of the other videos where they're going in and there's like, it's, it reminds me of,

00:23:36.660 I don't know, like a, you know, World War II, you know, like Nazi movie where they're

00:23:42.440 going in and pulling Jews out of their homes.

00:23:44.440 They're going into like some of these homes where they suspect, they suspect people might

00:23:48.180 have a case.

00:23:49.160 And we've got a video of this one guy that filmed across the street and they're going,

00:23:52.460 the police kick the door in.

00:23:54.440 They go in, grab a couple out, forcibly separate them.

00:23:58.200 And they're trying to fight the police off.

00:23:59.960 They forcibly separate them, throw them in the back of two vans and they both take off in

00:24:03.260 different directions.

00:24:04.080 It's insane.

00:24:05.040 Is the, are the welding videos real where they've been welding people's doors shuts?

00:24:09.120 I've seen, I've seen some of those.

00:24:10.880 I haven't seen that.

00:24:11.480 No, I haven't seen that.

00:24:12.340 It's funny because like the way it would fit, I don't know if they are, but it would fit.

00:24:16.260 The way they're dealing with this in the media is so strange too.

00:24:18.720 I heard someone say the other day, like this is, is this the, uh, is this China's Chernobyl?

00:24:23.940 And then the person's like, well, it's obviously not to that scale, but, uh, this is

00:24:27.400 nobody died in Chernobyl.

00:24:28.820 It was 59 people died in Chernobyl.

00:24:31.180 Yeah, but I mean the after effects when, because of their denial, nobody, nobody died.

00:24:37.140 Nobody in the town died from the after effects.

00:24:40.000 Anybody who was there and the workers.

00:24:42.240 And that was part of their denial.

00:24:43.260 And it look, obviously Chernobyl was serious, but like this looks, this has the potential

00:24:48.140 to be much, much worse.

00:24:49.540 They were talking about it as being the scale less than Chernobyl.

00:24:53.380 This is much greater, right?

00:24:55.560 I mean, if, if we find out that they knew for weeks and weeks, it didn't do anything

00:24:59.320 about this.

00:25:00.160 They did.

00:25:00.780 I mean, that's what everyone seems to be reporting now.

00:25:02.960 And it's largely because what, because the way their society is structured, right?

00:25:09.360 He is the ultimate competent man at the top that always makes the right decisions.

00:25:13.060 That's what that whistleblower said.

00:25:14.420 He said that I, he was like in that group text, he was like, Hey, I don't know why they're

00:25:18.280 not talking about this because there are, they're studying some of these cases in military

00:25:21.700 hospitals and they're dying and they're not saying, Hey, yeah, this is, this is a public

00:25:26.360 health problem.

00:25:26.940 So we already know.

00:25:27.820 So let me give you the stats that we, we do know.

00:25:32.100 They say today that it is 75,195.

00:25:37.320 That's up about 2000 overnight.

00:25:40.480 These are the people who are, that are known to be infected.

00:25:45.020 When I went, when I was doing the stats and when I wrote this last week, it was 45,000.

00:25:49.680 Correct.

00:25:49.980 That is, I just had to change it.

00:25:51.940 That's how it over 30,000 in just seven days doubled, doubled in size.

00:25:57.780 Uh, so it's at 75,000.

00:26:00.080 However, we don't believe that that number is anywhere close to accurate.

00:26:05.000 Most, um, uh, most people who are willing to speculate, and I've got a story about Michael

00:26:11.700 Bloomberg folding to China.

00:26:13.640 You can't, you can't trust our own press here, uh, because they are in bed with China doing 1.00

00:26:21.920 business.

00:26:22.520 And so they want access and they will not question and give you the truth because they'll lose

00:26:31.560 all access.

00:26:32.400 And it's, uh, it's just absolutely unbelievable and unreasonable for them not to at least say

00:26:41.060 at the top of their broadcast, you know, we at, uh, Bloomberg news have, uh, major outlets

00:26:48.580 in China and we have a deal with the Chinese government.

00:26:53.160 We're reporting what we can in accordance to the Chinese government.

00:26:58.000 That's all you have to say.

00:26:59.320 Let us know you're, you're not willing to say that because you don't want to lose your place

00:27:07.720 in China, but you have to tell people that when lives are at stake, wait till you hear the story

00:27:13.780 about Bloomberg news.

00:27:14.700 It's incredible, but make no mistake.

00:27:17.020 They're all doing it.

00:27:18.740 They're all doing it.

00:27:20.000 So anybody who will go on the record, they, they believe that the actual number of infected

00:27:25.640 now is over 350,000.

00:27:29.880 I find that number, um, curious, even at that level, only because you're putting 75 million

00:27:39.160 people locking them in their homes.

00:27:43.460 75 million people that's, you know, take, take California and just say, California is completely

00:27:51.960 quarantined.

00:27:52.900 Everybody stay in their house.

00:27:54.220 That's, would we do that for this?

00:27:58.980 It would, it certainly wouldn't be for something you shouldn't worry about.

00:28:02.600 We'll give you the reasons why you should worry about it, but it's not necessarily that it's

00:28:08.000 so fatal.

00:28:09.180 Most seasonal flu viruses have a case fatality rate of less than one in a thousand people.

00:28:16.180 So one in a thousand people, less than one in a thousand people will die because of the

00:28:21.860 regular seasonal flu in China.

00:28:25.480 That number is 20.

00:28:27.200 Now with this, that's way different than SARS.

00:28:30.780 SARS was more like a hundred.

00:28:32.820 I think, uh, wasn't it, wasn't it 10%?

00:28:36.560 Uh, SARS was, SARS was, it was like eight or 10, 15.

00:28:41.100 Yeah.

00:28:41.340 It was like 15 to 18%.

00:28:42.920 Okay.

00:28:43.400 So it was more deadly.

00:28:44.460 Uh, yeah, much more deadly, but this is still over less than 1% regular flu.

00:28:50.480 This is 20 people in China.

00:28:53.420 Now there are some conditions that change that outside of China.

00:28:56.940 We'll go into that here in just a second.

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00:29:44.220 Uh, okay.

00:29:46.440 So the Corona virus is about in China is about as deadly as the Spanish flu of 1918.

00:29:55.820 Spanish flu was a pandemic.

00:29:58.760 This is an epidemic.

00:30:00.040 It's regional at this point.

00:30:02.040 Uh, if it becomes a pandemic and spreads across the globe, they say anywhere from the lowest

00:30:08.800 I've heard is 30%.

00:30:10.260 The highest I've heard is 60% of the globe of the entire population will get this out of

00:30:17.860 that 2% of the people will die.

00:30:21.060 If it holds true to what's happening in China.

00:30:24.200 Um, I'm not sure that it will.

00:30:26.540 The death rate is lower outside of China for several reasons, but that means at 40%, that

00:30:33.680 means 65 million people will die.

00:30:37.640 That's significant.

00:30:39.160 And by the way, until we find a vaccine, you'll have to have like a flu shot for this every

00:30:46.260 year.

00:30:46.600 Now we're still battling the flu.

00:30:49.260 Much of the flu that we battle every single year is still a strain of the 1918 Spanish flu.

00:30:56.680 So this flu is going to be around for a while.

00:31:00.940 They believe now it's, it will travel in saliva through water in the eyes.

00:31:06.800 Um, you know, using any kind of utensils, make sure you wash your hands and all of that stuff

00:31:21.580 that all is, uh, in play.

00:31:24.560 This also, however, can be spread third hand.

00:31:28.120 So you get the virus.

00:31:30.400 You don't know you have the virus for as long as 24 days, they say 14, but it could be as

00:31:37.680 long as 24 days you have it and it's growing in you and you don't know.

00:31:42.680 And in those 14 to 24 days, you can be infecting others.

00:31:49.060 That's what makes this so troublesome.

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00:32:29.760 Dr.

00:32:30.080 Carlin Borisenko.

00:32:31.680 She is an organizational psychologist.

00:32:35.380 Uh, and she is somebody that I read.

00:32:38.280 I think the entire medium piece on the air.

00:32:41.060 I've never done that.

00:32:41.880 They tend to be really long.

00:32:43.140 Uh, but I thought every word of what she wrote was important.

00:32:48.700 She wrote a piece after attending a Trump rally.

00:32:51.380 I realized Democrats are not ready for 2020.

00:32:54.460 Their website is zenworkplace.com.

00:32:57.560 May I call you, uh, Carlin?

00:33:00.360 Yes, absolutely.

00:33:01.640 How are you?

00:33:02.980 I'm, I'm doing well.

00:33:04.380 I've had a bit of a week over here, Glenn.

00:33:06.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:33:06.720 I bet you have.

00:33:07.760 I bet you have.

00:33:08.360 I, first of all, thank you for coming on.

00:33:10.740 I would imagine this is the last place you ever thought you would be on.

00:33:15.620 Oh, never in a million years did I think that this would happen.

00:33:20.060 Right, right.

00:33:20.620 Um, you are a Democrat, um, and, or you were, you were a Democrat.

00:33:27.260 You're an independent now, and it's my, we had an argument back and forth.

00:33:32.780 It's my understanding that you are still going to be voting for a Democrat or possibly voting.

00:33:39.840 You're not, you haven't changed to a Trump supporter or voter, right?

00:33:44.760 Well, I really don't know.

00:33:46.080 I mean, I frankly don't know who my options are in the general election.

00:33:49.000 And I think that, uh, there are absolutely some, some, uh, pretty high profile contenders

00:33:54.420 that I will not vote for under any circumstances.

00:33:56.920 So we'll see.

00:33:58.940 So tell the story for anybody who didn't read, tell your story.

00:34:03.540 Yeah.

00:34:04.080 So I, um, you know, I had been going on this journey for the past, you know, six months

00:34:08.640 or so where I was really starting to feel very uncomfortable in an echo chamber that I

00:34:12.980 had created for myself.

00:34:14.140 And I started listening to just different conservative voices and they kind of all

00:34:18.900 culminated when I decided to go to the Trump rally in Manchester, New Hampshire last week.

00:34:23.600 I thought if there's anything, I can't think of anything bigger I could do to break out

00:34:28.180 of my very liberal echo chamber.

00:34:30.420 And everyone that I talked to about this idea was genuinely concerned for my safety.

00:34:35.640 And that includes people on the left and the right.

00:34:37.820 They were both really concerned that I was going to be physically harmed at this rally,

00:34:41.660 either by the supporters or by Antifa or whoever.

00:34:45.160 But I decided to go anyway.

00:34:47.220 And I discovered that, you know, hey, shocker, they're just average, normal people that are

00:34:51.960 really, really nice and welcoming.

00:34:54.360 And so I wrote about it.

00:34:55.720 And you said at one point you thought those people were despicable and even deplorables.

00:35:01.460 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:35:02.440 I definitely went through a phase probably for about a year and a half where I really thought

00:35:06.560 that, you know, anyone who supported President Trump was at best supporting racism and at

00:35:11.640 worst downright racist themselves.

00:35:13.900 Yeah.

00:35:14.640 Wow.

00:35:15.880 And where did that come from?

00:35:18.420 I was watching a lot of MSNBC.

00:35:22.560 OK.

00:35:23.420 All right.

00:35:24.440 And then why did you become uncomfortable?

00:35:27.700 Well, I'm a knitter and in the knitting community, and I know this sounds bizarre, but it is a hyper

00:35:34.040 political community at the moment where they have these kind of roving gangs of social justice

00:35:40.120 warriors just attacking people and mobbing them indiscriminately.

00:35:43.780 Hey, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

00:35:45.440 You're asking me to process way too much.

00:35:47.320 First of all, most people didn't even know that there was a knitting, an online knitting

00:35:52.460 community.

00:35:54.240 And now I'm seeing knitters and roving gangs of social justice.

00:36:00.800 Something just doesn't fit here.

00:36:02.780 It's not what I expect.

00:36:04.700 Well, listen, I understand the feeling because I didn't expect it either.

00:36:08.340 Right.

00:36:08.400 But I started seeing this happen just over and over and over again.

00:36:12.680 And at some point, I started speaking up within the knitting community and saying, guys, this

00:36:16.200 is wrong.

00:36:16.840 We shouldn't be doing this.

00:36:17.880 And then they came after me.

00:36:19.700 And at that point, and I didn't get it as badly as a lot of people did.

00:36:23.180 But at some point, I just said, I cannot align myself with these people politically.

00:36:27.360 It's just it's wrong what they're doing.

00:36:29.280 You talked about how one person was bullied so bad online that they they became suicidal.

00:36:35.080 Yes.

00:36:36.860 Yeah.

00:36:37.360 What what what are the what were the arguments about?

00:36:42.140 So in his case in particular, he started speaking up when the mobbings first started

00:36:46.840 happening.

00:36:47.180 And I swear I'm not making this up.

00:36:49.240 All he did was post a poem on Instagram asking for kindness and asking for people to just see

00:36:55.360 each other as human beings.

00:36:56.540 And he was mobbed by thousands and thousands of people.

00:37:00.080 And when he and he eventually did go into the hospital and then his husband posted on

00:37:04.680 Instagram that, you know, please stop the hate.

00:37:06.700 He's in the hospital.

00:37:07.440 And it just got worse and kept escalating after that.

00:37:10.440 So it was really it was really too bad.

00:37:12.140 But thankfully, he's he seemed to have really rebounded and now is getting a lot of support

00:37:16.020 from people like me.

00:37:17.100 So who are these people that are in these roving mobs?

00:37:21.860 They're just they're people on the very far left that anytime something sticks out to them

00:37:27.780 that is outside of their ideology, they try to pressure people into kind of bending the

00:37:32.080 knee and and issuing these massive apologies and, you know, pointing out all the areas where

00:37:37.600 they are wrong in their lives and transphobic and homophobic and fat phobic and all these

00:37:41.900 things. 0.98

00:37:42.220 And it's just they're they're I mean, to be blunt, I think they're kind of just horrible, 0.91

00:37:45.980 miserable people that want to make other people miserable as well. 0.96

00:37:50.200 Well, you're starting to sound like a conservative.

00:37:52.820 I know because I mean, this is this is the thing that really we've been warning about.

00:37:59.600 There's there's disagreements on things that we can disagreements on policies we can go

00:38:05.160 on. But when you're trying to shut people up and you do it through fear and intimidation,

00:38:10.860 it's it's a very foreign kind of concept to America.

00:38:18.240 That's not who we were.

00:38:19.760 That's not what made us great.

00:38:21.660 That's not what made us big.

00:38:22.920 And anyone who's doing it on any side is is really engaging in some really dangerous stuff

00:38:30.060 because it always ends the same way.

00:38:31.980 I totally agree. And when people started telling me to shut up specifically, that was when I

00:38:37.280 started really taking a look at it, because for me, expression is a gift that we've all

00:38:41.620 been given. And and if you want to change people's minds, you have to do it through

00:38:45.680 conversation, not through intimidation.

00:38:48.900 So you said the day you went to the Trump rally, MSNBC was there.

00:38:54.340 And so you you wanted to you wanted to go among some familiar territory first.

00:39:03.080 So you went and what was your experience there that morning?

00:39:08.480 Well, I was wearing a red hat that looks kind of like a Trump hat that says make speech free

00:39:12.940 again. It's my little protest against cancel culture.

00:39:15.700 And, you know, it's always a conversation starter and people struck up a conversation.

00:39:19.900 And I said, oh, I'm thinking about going over to the Trump rally.

00:39:22.920 And they were like, don't do it.

00:39:25.200 They're going to hurt you.

00:39:26.640 They're going to harass you.

00:39:27.920 And one woman even offered me her pepper spray. 1.00

00:39:30.540 And I just said, you know, I think I'm going to be fine.

00:39:32.800 It's going to be OK.

00:39:34.720 So what was the what were you what were your thoughts?

00:39:37.940 Because I'm sure these people were being genuine.

00:39:41.460 Yes.

00:39:41.740 So what were your thoughts on on that, especially somebody of your profession that you look and

00:39:49.240 say, these people genuinely care about my safety.

00:39:53.300 They're really warning me.

00:39:56.100 And it's almost unhinged from reality.

00:40:00.640 Well, yeah.

00:40:01.580 And I think that, you know, when when literally every single person around you is in fear of

00:40:06.920 your safety, it's really hard not to question and say, what are they seeing that I don't see?

00:40:12.280 But it's also an indication that I knew I had to do it at that point because I knew I had to

00:40:17.320 see for myself what was going on.

00:40:20.740 So you wrote something interesting in your article about your hat on how it is viewed by

00:40:25.780 both sides.

00:40:26.500 I I can't tell you how how I do you know who Jonathan Haidt is?

00:40:32.740 I do.

00:40:33.520 Yeah.

00:40:33.680 OK, so Jonathan did kind of the same thing that that you did.

00:40:38.420 And and he he told me that he actually started listening to me and he said, I I'm listening

00:40:47.780 to you and I'm thinking one direction.

00:40:50.020 And he said, I realize you speak about things and you don't necessarily use the same terminology

00:40:56.820 that all the other conservatives use.

00:40:58.940 And he said, so it started to kind of crack my mind open a bit.

00:41:03.140 And I'm like, well, now, wait a minute.

00:41:04.400 How does this make sense?

00:41:06.340 And it's the same experience that you've went through by listening to other conservative

00:41:11.960 friends and other voices.

00:41:13.000 And I have experienced it myself where you can go into a room and just not by changing

00:41:22.720 what you say, just by changing how you frame it, the entire thing changes and you can make

00:41:33.120 all kinds of progress with people.

00:41:35.080 And it's funny because we're really I think the average person is generally fighting for

00:41:42.260 the same thing and you just don't know it and you think the other side is totally against

00:41:49.140 it.

00:41:49.520 Explain your hat.

00:41:50.460 Well, I mean, my head for me is just I got so tired of people trying to cancel one another

00:41:57.560 and starting fights with one another.

00:41:59.300 And so it was just my small little nod that I am, you know, the First Amendment for me is

00:42:04.820 one of my core values.

00:42:06.080 I so strongly believe in freedom of speech.

00:42:08.220 It's so incredibly important.

00:42:10.160 And so that's the message I was really trying to articulate with it.

00:42:12.600 But I completely agree with everything you just said, too.

00:42:14.540 And it reminds me of the phrase, what resists persists when we fight aggressively against

00:42:20.200 something, we just make the problem bigger.

00:42:22.340 And that to me is a reflection of what's going on right now in that, you know, especially

00:42:26.640 and I, you know, my my liberal friends might disagree with me, but I see it coming more from

00:42:31.460 the left than the right where they're fighting so aggressively and they don't understand that

00:42:35.720 they're just making the problem bigger.

00:42:37.840 Harlan, what is it that you're looking for in a candidate?

00:42:42.160 I'm assuming that you're still liberal.

00:42:45.360 I mean, well, let me ask you.

00:42:47.820 I think we used to think that liberals were not necessarily big government.

00:42:55.160 This is in the early 20th century.

00:42:57.420 They were all about the the rights of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

00:43:01.840 Are you that kind of liberal?

00:43:03.700 Are you a progressive liberal?

00:43:06.240 What what kind of liberal are you?

00:43:08.840 Yeah, I'm the first kind.

00:43:09.920 I very much believe in our fundamental liberties.

00:43:13.260 I tend to be actually pretty centrist with some libertarian leanings politically.

00:43:18.020 And I guess I'm just looking for a candidate that's going to make common sense solutions

00:43:22.660 and that's going to compromise.

00:43:24.120 And that's really the biggest thing for me right now.

00:43:26.780 So do you see anybody that the left is offering up?

00:43:30.760 Tell me your ideas of the candidates, why you would or wouldn't vote for.

00:43:34.680 Oh, gosh.

00:43:36.320 So I think the ones that I would consider voting for, you know, I came to Tulsi Gabbard late

00:43:42.520 and I obviously don't think she has a shot at the nomination.

00:43:45.160 I think that what the left has done to her has just been atrocious in terms of the character

00:43:49.100 assassination.

00:43:50.100 Be careful.

00:43:50.600 You're starting to sound like the Glenn Beck program.

00:43:52.720 I just want you to know you're you're way over your head here.

00:43:57.280 No one is more surprised at this than me.

00:44:01.100 Glenn, I'll tell you what.

00:44:02.700 So I voted for Pete Buttigieg in the New Hampshire primary.

00:44:06.200 Now, I voted for him mostly because I came to know him very early on in the campaign.

00:44:10.760 I think he's pandering way too much for me lately.

00:44:14.000 I voted for Bernie in 2016 in the primary.

00:44:17.180 I do not believe I would vote for Bernie again now because I think he's gone way too left.

00:44:22.060 And I think his supporters just terrify me.

00:44:24.180 And I think the thing with Bernie and who in Bernie's who I ultimately think will probably

00:44:28.020 be the nominee is then it's really a question of do I do I want to go towards socialism or

00:44:33.560 do I want to go towards capitalism?

00:44:34.860 And I'm a pretty big fan of capitalism.

00:44:38.200 Right.

00:44:38.460 So, you know, so and what are your thoughts?

00:44:41.820 What are your thoughts on on Trump now?

00:44:44.880 And what did you what did you walk away feeling?

00:44:48.460 Um, I you know, I think that Trump there are things about Trump I don't like.

00:44:55.340 I definitely do not agree with some of his policies, but I also I love what he's doing

00:45:00.320 with the economy.

00:45:01.060 The economy is in a really good spot.

00:45:03.360 I'm an organizational psychologist.

00:45:04.580 I love seeing unemployment low.

00:45:06.180 That means people have jobs.

00:45:07.340 People have options.

00:45:08.420 Right.

00:45:08.540 Um, and I frankly, I like some of the actions that he's taken in terms of, um, in being more

00:45:15.220 aggressive towards, you know, Solomon and all these things.

00:45:18.200 So I'm not opposed to Trump necessarily.

00:45:20.500 I also just think he's just a really funny guy.

00:45:22.800 And I think that you have to put Trump in the context of being just this blustery New

00:45:26.700 Yorker and not take him so seriously with every single thing that he says.

00:45:30.300 So we were just talking about that today.

00:45:32.080 The difference between Michael Bloomberg and Donald Trump is Donald Trump is said to be

00:45:37.380 mean all the time.

00:45:38.400 Sometimes he can be, but most of the times he's funny.

00:45:42.800 Uh, he's got a sense of humor making fun of Michael Bloomberg in his shortness, but Michael

00:45:47.960 Bloomberg does not have a sense of humor.

00:45:49.980 You know, when he says things, I think he means them, uh, where Donald Trump, you kind of

00:45:55.180 have to, it's, it's weird because some of the things he says you have to take for, you

00:45:59.280 know, for reality and others, you have to just blow off and that he's just trying, he's

00:46:03.800 just stirring the pot.

00:46:05.360 That's all he's doing.

00:46:06.740 He's trolling.

00:46:07.880 And like, I love a good troll.

00:46:09.320 Like you have to like, let yourself laugh at these things, but listen, if Bloomberg gets

00:46:13.120 the nomination and especially if he brings Hillary with him, I swear I will vote for 0.89

00:46:17.200 Trump purely out of spite.

00:46:19.520 Wow.

00:46:21.240 Wow.

00:46:21.940 So the question I really wanted to ask you, are there other people like you that are starting

00:46:27.740 to wake up to the democratic position of just playing footsie with really dangerous

00:46:34.760 people?

00:46:36.460 Uh, I think there are people who are starting to wake up.

00:46:39.540 It's definitely hard.

00:46:40.580 I've gotten so, I mean, probably like thousands of messages over my story of people saying,

00:46:45.160 I wish my liberal friends and family would read this and I tried to give it to them and

00:46:48.520 they just won't.

00:46:49.600 Um, I think the people, you know, in, in small numbers are starting to wake up, but I really

00:46:53.360 do think that November is going to be a giant wake up call and it's going to be interesting

00:46:57.680 to see what happens.

00:46:59.200 Wow.

00:46:59.780 Thank you very much.

00:47:00.940 Um, I so respect you.

00:47:03.440 Um, even though I'm sure we differ on a ton of things, I really respect the courage, uh,

00:47:09.880 of anyone who thinks out of the box and dare go against their own side, uh, for what they

00:47:15.240 believe in.

00:47:15.860 And I wish you all the luck, um, that, uh, I could possibly wish you.

00:47:20.140 Thank you so much for being on.

00:47:22.240 Thank you, Glenn.

00:47:23.060 You bet.

00:47:24.160 Dr. Carlin Borisenko.

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The Glenn Beck Program - February 19, 2020

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