00:18:12.240In terms of big tech and, uh, the way we communicate now is, is, is cheap and not substantive.
00:18:25.020Cause again, Glenn, when you think about those of us in our fifties, you know, we grew up in homes with one phone in the home, no call waiting, one record player, one, maybe two TVs in the home.
00:18:39.880So, but now there's just, and so I think like communication has been cheapened and it's been dumbed down to a point where it's just much easier to lead people the wrong direction.
00:18:55.580And, and social media promotes an anecdote driven worldview.
00:19:04.160May I just interject here on, on, you know, you're talking about how it's been cheapened.
00:19:08.240I didn't know anybody that ever wrote a letter to the editor.
00:19:11.660Cause you have to sit down, think about it, write it, put it in an envelope, get a stamp, get the address, send it in.
00:19:17.520I mean, it took forever by the time that thing was out.
00:19:20.880Now everybody's writing a letter to the editor and it's all of equal value.
00:19:26.360And only the ones that are the hotheads are the ones that make it to the top.
00:19:30.680I mean, what are we expecting to happen?
00:19:32.920And again, so someone that would write, write a letter would really be passionate and probably really informed on the topic and they would take the time to do that.
00:19:43.140And now all it takes is 10, 30 seconds to write out a tweet that says, I hate you.
00:19:48.840And so my, my reaction to the verdict was, I thought that to me, clearly I thought Derek Chauvin was guilty of manslaughter.
00:20:00.740I don't think he had an intent to kill.
00:20:03.000I do think he was a bit drunk on his power and a bit distracted by the crowd harassing him.
00:20:09.880And, and that combination turned lethal, uh, for George Floyd.
00:20:15.920However, having said that, I'm just amazed at how big tech and corporate media working together have us so focused on George Floyd and other resisting criminal suspects and what happens to them.
00:20:35.960And I know people get tired of hearing it, but, but I'm just amazed the seven year old girl got shot and killed sitting in a, uh, McDonald's drive-thru window.
00:21:19.500Now, I wouldn't even say in some cases, in a lot of these cases, there is money to be made in, uh, championing, resisting criminal suspects, black suspects who are killed by white cops.
00:21:37.040Patrice Conn makes up a hashtag and now she has four homes scattered across America and has a deal with Warner brothers and all this other stuff from making a hashtag and pretending like she cares about George Floyd.
00:21:56.220It's a look, Al Sharpton, uh, takes a picture of himself getting on a private jet to go be with, uh, George Floyd's family.
00:22:06.860Again, all the messaging is, look at, I've made it.
00:22:10.380I'm flying on private jets all off the backs of criminal suspects resisting arrest and pretending like their life has 10 times the value of these kids that are being, and, and some adults being slaughtered in the streets every day.
00:22:30.640And we ignore that a seven year old girl, she had no shot at life.
00:22:46.180And I get why people are like, American values are being changed rapidly, rapidly.
00:22:55.380I mean, this is just overnight and it's all driven by social media.
00:23:01.220I'm going to say this and it'll irritate some people, but again, if you go look at how America on a dime changed on same sex marriage, that's the influence of social media.
00:23:14.860That's the influence of Twitter and amplifying voices, uh, and Jack Dorsey says it, that that's the goal of social media and the Twitter to amplify voices that, that he deems need to be amplified.
00:23:31.180And, and, and, and again, I, I said it last time I was on your show, I, I have great sympathy for the LGBT community and how we have demonized their sin and, uh, not demonized our own.
00:25:10.900So, um, thank you for at least asking honest questions and letting the chips fall where they may.
00:25:17.600I don't know why we can't talk about, uh, where the virus came from.
00:25:22.500I don't think that it was a man-made virus that was intentionally released.
00:25:27.760I think there's a good chance that it did come from, uh, the, uh, Wuhan, uh, Institute and it was accidentally was released, but I don't know if we have any proof of that.
00:25:46.460Glenn, as it turns out, the origin of the Corona virus is not a political question.
00:25:51.860It doesn't matter if you're on the left or the right.
00:25:54.420It doesn't matter if you like Trump or if you don't like Trump.
00:25:57.160It doesn't matter if you're Democrat or Republican.
00:25:59.300It is simply a scientific and forensic question.
00:26:01.980And probably the most important question that we have to answer in order to solve the crisis that we're in and prevent the next pandemic.
00:26:10.260Yet, for over a year, we've been told that just to even utter, just to even mention the possible, still yet unproven, but certainly possible theory that the outbreak began due to human error in one of these Wuhan labs.
00:26:26.140Just to mention that was considered quite impolite and quite out of bounds in Washington society and in the media for a number of reasons.
00:26:34.720So before we get into the reasons, let me ask you, we but the we knew something was wrong.
00:26:46.280Yes. So what I reported at the time and then again in this book was that for years there have been concerns amongst U.S. diplomats and others about these Wuhan labs, the Wuhan Institute of Virology,
00:27:00.600the largest repository of bat coronaviruses in the world where U.S. and Chinese scientists were working together to create viruses,
00:27:09.500not create, but to use science to develop viruses into versions that were more virulent that could affect humans more easily and therefore were more dangerous and more transmissible.
00:27:21.540And then when the outbreak happened right next to these labs, it was there were a lot of people inside the U.S. government who wanted to look at these labs and who saw these reports from years ago about concerns about these labs.
00:27:32.820But they were unable to do so because of the political environment and because of the things that were going on inside the U.S. government and in the U.S.-China relationship,
00:27:41.340including that the Chinese government was blackmailing the U.S. government into not asking any questions and also blackmailing a lot of other countries
00:27:48.140and also lying about the origin of the virus and covering up the sciences and jailing the scientists and jailing the journalists.
00:27:54.060So there was a very extensive and well-funded campaign led by the Chinese Communist Party and also the friends of this lab,
00:28:02.460the American friends of this lab, whose stories were tied in with the lab, who had a clear conflict of interest,
00:28:07.520who were telling all the journalists, you better not talk about the lab.
00:28:10.300And by the way, we don't think the lab did it because we're the best friends of the lab.
00:28:13.780We're the best people to tell you that they didn't do it.
00:28:16.040So there was a perfect storm of horrendousness that combined to push us towards this idea that we couldn't look at these labs.
00:28:23.320And then, you know, here we are a year later.
00:28:25.780And of course, now we have Robert Redfield, who was the CDC director, Dr. Tedros, the head of WHO,
00:28:30.940and many other people, including many scientists, saying, hey, listen, we got to look at these labs.
00:28:35.440It doesn't matter what political side of the spectrum you're on.
00:29:17.040Who's so powerful that this is all is shut down like that?
00:29:20.900You know, there's a couple of reasons.
00:29:23.720One is because of, again, this propaganda campaign that was run by the Chinese Communist Party, but aided and abetted by American scientists who are the best friends of the lab.
00:29:32.160I'm talking about Peter Daszak, the EcoHealth Alliance and all the rest who, you know, told us that it was a conspiracy theory because they didn't want anyone to look at the lab.
00:29:40.960And then when the WHO did its report, they hired the same exact scientists, including Peter Daszak, to go look at the lab.
00:29:47.620They went there for three hours, talked to the scientists, didn't see anything, didn't get got some data, but not really all the data.
00:29:54.140And they came back and said, we don't need to look at the lab anymore.
00:29:58.540OK, this is there's no other word for it.
00:30:00.560It's a cover up to distract us from the urgent need to look at this lab and also look at the other theories with the whole point is that we need to look at all the theories and and figure out what's what.
00:30:11.480And, you know, wherever the facts lead, that's where we have to follow.
00:30:16.960And then in the media, the reason that they picked up on this was because Donald Trump endorsed the lab theory and most of the mainstream media didn't want that to be right.
00:30:25.540They couldn't bear with the fact that Donald Trump might have been right about something, despite the fact that he also did all these other things they considered horrible.
00:30:32.960But even the broken clock is right twice every day.
00:30:35.860And here we are a year later and Donald Trump is no longer president.
00:31:54.700Yeah, Glenn, I agree with almost everything that you said.
00:31:57.320You know, when the Trump administration came in, what they did was they flipped over the chessboard.
00:32:01.440They ended 40 years of what was largely a policy of engagement first, cooperation first, which meant betting on the idea that as China got more powerful, that it would liberalize economically.
00:32:13.720And then that would lead it to liberalize politically.
00:32:16.160And that would then solve the rest of our problems.
00:32:18.480But it became pretty clear after Xi Jinping took power in 2013 and more and more over the years that that just wasn't happening.
00:33:33.020You know, we still have the position of moral justification that we stand for the things that we believe in, including democracy, freedom, human rights, the rule of law.
00:33:44.000And then we still have allies and partners who profess to believe in those things.
00:33:47.660So we don't know yet if they're going to pull this off, if they're going to take this new approach that the Trump administration admittedly messed up at times,
00:33:56.440but handed them and make it more international and more effective.
00:34:27.520There is a genocide going on against Xinjiang against the Uyghurs.
00:34:30.860And now they have to actually do something about it.
00:34:33.080So the indications are that they're, oh, by the way, they also haven't said that we can't talk about the lab accident theory.
00:34:39.160The Biden administration confirmed that there was some shady stuff going on in the lab that they didn't admit to.
00:34:44.940In other words, they want to get to the bottom of it.
00:34:47.400They're not invested in the idea that we can't talk about the lab accident theory because they weren't there at the time.
00:34:52.440So the indications are that they are open to a more assertive, more aggressive policy towards China because that's what the American people want.
00:35:07.560That's what the polls show that Democrats and Republicans want because the Chinese Communist Party's aggression now affects us in our own lives, in our schools, in our markets, in our sports, in Hollywood, in Silicon Valley, everywhere.
00:35:19.900So now that all Americans are woken up to this, especially if you're sitting in your basement scared of getting the coronavirus, you know that what happens in Beijing no longer stays in Beijing, and you want your leaders to do something about it.
00:35:32.240And that's what the American people are calling for, and that's what the Biden team is starting to respond to, but it's not enough yet.
00:35:37.540So what was it that the Americans were doing in this lab that many Americans didn't want other Americans to know about?
00:35:48.900Were they doing something nasty, or was it just it looked bad?
00:35:53.660This is a crucial question, and this is a great question, because according to Robert Redfield, again, not a completely unproblematic person, but not someone who's bailing out the Trump team for the sake of it.
00:36:05.280According to him, the virus likely came from what's called gain-of-function research.
00:36:10.960It's where you collect all these viruses from the wild, and then you run them through mice that have lungs that are adapted to act like human lungs.
00:36:18.000And you do that a few thousand times, and you see what happens, and that's the idea there is to predict the next pandemic.
00:36:24.260And wouldn't it be ironic if the program to predict the next pandemic actually caused the pandemic, sparked it quite accidentally, of course?
00:36:32.560And the problem with that is that these Americans were doing this in Wuhan because this research had been largely banned by the Obama administration in the United States.
00:36:42.640So they moved it to China, where there was less oversight.
00:36:45.660And now here we are, and we're trying to get back into these labs.
00:36:48.640It's basically impossible because the Chinese government won't allow it.
00:36:51.800But what we can do is we can examine these American labs.
00:36:54.920And that means the NIH, and that means the NIAID, which is run by Anthony Fauci and the EcoHealth Alliance.
00:37:04.140More and more lawmakers standing up to say, OK, well, listen, if we can't get into these Wuhan labs, we want to know what all the American labs were doing in conjunction with them.
00:37:12.820And we want to know where the procedures followed, and if not, why not?
00:37:16.640And who's going to be held accountable for that?
00:37:19.700Then we've got to take a look at all this gain-of-function research because, and this is going to blow your mind,
00:37:24.200the current plan to respond to the pandemic is to increase this research sixfold by spending another $1.2 billion to collect 500,000 new viruses from the wilds
00:37:36.020and bring them to labs all over the world.
00:37:37.920It's called the Global Environmental Project.
00:37:39.720And do you want to do this every year?
00:37:41.400Do you want to have this problem every single year?
00:37:43.860So my simple proposal, again, I'm not a pro-Trump guy.