The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Jeff Brown & Mike Pompeo ｜ 2⧸10⧸23

00:00:00.000 Hey, today's podcast goes right to the future with Jeff Brown. He is one of our best guests

00:00:06.780 ever. Very, very popular. He is a guy who's on the podcast on Saturday, full podcast,

00:00:13.600 about 80 minutes with him talking about future predictions. We play some of it in the first

00:00:18.560 part of today's podcast. And then I have him on to really go into what is he worried about with

00:00:26.760 this tech. End of AI week with Jeff Brown. First part of today's podcast and the full podcast

00:00:33.380 tomorrow. Then we had Mike Pompeo on to talk about the balloon, to talk about Ukraine and some of the

00:00:42.700 things that he learned while he was over in South Korea. You don't want to miss Mike Pompeo. We then

00:00:49.700 wrapped up the final hour with Mike Lee, who had done his homework and is going to be doing some

00:00:58.140 more homework over the next four or five days. Did we blow up the Nord Stream pipeline? He did his

00:01:04.800 homework. He thinks he has an answer, but he wants to ask questions in the SCIF, the top secret room

00:01:13.820 himself and look at all of the documents he can. He brought up a point that no one else is really

00:01:21.380 bringing up on this. Even if we didn't blow up the Nord Stream pipeline, there's a question that has

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00:02:33.160 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:39.900 This is the Glenn Beck program. We welcome now to the program, Jeff Brown. I'm sorry,

00:02:46.300 Jeff. I thought you were coming in. I'm glad we have you on the phone.

00:02:48.500 On the phone.

00:02:51.000 I'm hearing talk back a bit. Okay. So, Jeff, we played a bunch of the really positive stuff that's

00:02:57.480 coming our way, but I ended the interview asking you if you were a pessimist or optimist, because

00:03:03.540 this is the best of times, this is the worst of times. This technology is the greatest tool

00:03:15.140 authoritarians have ever had by far, and it could enslave the entire world. First, is that hyperbole?

00:03:23.080 Well, I wish I could say it's not hyperbole. It's the worst case scenario is absolutely

00:03:42.940 a possibility. We can't discount that, and ignoring it would be, I think, even more dangerous for us,

00:03:53.020 but perhaps history may be a good guide. As we think back over the last 100 years, for example,

00:04:01.100 we've always been faced with new technologies that were highly disruptive and could certainly be used

00:04:08.700 for ill will, but so far, the world, society, has found a way to continually bring out more and more

00:04:20.940 abundance for the world to lift billions of people out of poverty and increase the quality of

00:04:31.100 life and living for the entire planet. And so we have very good reasons to be optimistic about

00:04:39.440 managing through this next transition in terms of employing these incredible technologies.

00:04:46.740 So I would feel like nuclear weapons, that could have killed everybody on the planet 100 times over

00:04:54.160 and killed the planet. But we didn't, because we have common decency and intelligence. However,

00:05:03.540 I don't feel like this is the 1950s, where you have to talk about it and talk about it in a rational way,

00:05:10.800 you know, the threats of nuclear war and what it means, like Eisenhower said, the military-industrial

00:05:16.100 complex. I see, as we spoke about yesterday, I don't see a lot of good guys that have global power

00:05:25.020 and are in governments. I don't see the Winston Churchill's that are like, no, no, no, wait a

00:05:30.920 minute, that belongs to people. That's a dramatic difference, isn't it? I agree with that. And

00:05:40.960 perhaps another framework for us to consider that is that nuclear weapons, you know, they're hardware,

00:05:53.140 right? They're ICBMs, they're rockets, like we can count them, we can figure out where all of the

00:05:59.660 silos are located, we can determine how much uranium is being enriched, and we can kind of assess the

00:06:07.940 threat level, and how much of it is out there. But with artificial intelligence, this is a completely

00:06:15.260 new framework. It's software. It's nearly impossible to understand how it's proliferating or how it's

00:06:26.200 being used by bad actors. And, you know, you have things like the World Economic Forum, where you've

00:06:35.280 combined big tech, big business, big government, and authoritarians who are arrogant. It can't fall

00:06:45.060 into the hands of those guys.

00:06:47.840 That's correct. It is too much power to be given to a small group of people who believe that they can

00:07:01.440 make decisions on behalf of all of us.

00:07:08.480 You've done a couple of things. You're working on, you're looking for people that will

00:07:14.820 run a company that would actually take like these ChatGPT and take AI and make it so it is personal,

00:07:24.820 so it can fight against, you know, the ChatGPT that's owned by Google or Apple or whoever,

00:07:37.100 and it actually protects the individual. Is that possible to do this?

00:07:42.800 It absolutely is. And I think there's even a way to do it in a way that it does not become

00:07:53.580 politically polarizing. You know, you and I, yesterday, we explored the idea of,

00:08:00.660 let's just creating an objective large language model that can be improved or enhanced, desired on

00:08:10.920 the learner or the individual's or the group's particular preferences by making kind of, let's

00:08:18.960 just call it a core engine, a core artificial intelligence engine, and productizing that,

00:08:26.020 and then allowing that engine to be customized with additional inputs as determined by, again,

00:08:34.160 the individual, the learner, the group, you know, even a country perhaps could find value in that

00:08:40.000 so that it's contextually relevant, so that it's socially relevant, culturally relevant,

00:08:46.040 given whatever the needs of those individuals or groups actually are. And that could be done,

00:08:52.220 you know, without the kind of data surveillance models that are employed by the Googles and the

00:09:00.280 Facebooks of this world. When you look at the surveillance models, I asked you, and we never even

00:09:06.060 got to this, but I asked you about Whammy. I was reading about, what does that stand for again?

00:09:12.380 Wide angle motion imagery. And the way it's being used, for instance, in China is terrifying. I mean,

00:09:24.520 there is no escape at any time from being monitored, predicted, moved, you know, recorded. I mean,

00:09:35.960 it is terrifying. And Whammy is starting to spread over the globe, is it not? We have Whammy.

00:09:45.720 It is. Well, you know, the most prominent country historically has been the UK, right?

00:09:52.180 Right.

00:09:52.460 In terms of the number of cameras and video surveillance of a population, it's really quite

00:10:01.320 extraordinary what's happened in the UK. But you're absolutely right. Obviously, the geography of

00:10:09.860 China is much greater. So it's a harder problem to solve, but it's just infrastructure. And it's not 0.97

00:10:16.800 just what's become more interesting. We talked about how the aerospace industry has really been

00:10:23.080 transformed by SpaceX, lowering the cost of launching kilograms to orbit by more than 90%.

00:10:31.220 That's resulted in a proliferation of companies that launch basically CubeSats or small satellites

00:10:41.520 that are used for imagery from space. So this is, think about this as almost a compliment or a

00:10:49.780 supplement to cameras and video surveillance on the ground. These data sets, these video inputs

00:10:55.620 are literally ingested into machine learning and forms of artificial intelligence to determine

00:11:04.320 whether something is or isn't wrong as defined or programmed by whoever the overlords are that feel

00:11:15.420 that they need to monitor their entire population. So yes, this, the, you know, what technology can do.

00:11:22.260 The problem previously wasn't the video cameras. It was how to analyze and ingest and provide

00:11:28.160 actionable intelligence from all of the video. Humans can't possibly do that. It has to be automated.

00:11:34.220 And the way it's automated is through machine learning and artificial intelligence.

00:11:38.260 I want to talk to you. We've got about three minutes left. I want to talk to you about Project

00:11:42.520 Perceptron. This is a system that you and your team have built and it, it, uh, revolves around

00:11:49.680 cryptocurrency. Can you explain what's coming in about 60 days? Um, well, or no way what's coming.

00:11:59.140 I mean, it is launched, but it's not, is it operable now? Uh, yes, I've been running. Um, I, I built

00:12:07.540 my own artificial intelligence, a deep neural network. Um, and we took a very, uh, kind of

00:12:14.440 obscure data set, which is cryptocurrencies, digital assets, and we built it in a way where

00:12:20.140 it's able to predict price movements. Um, so it predicts assets with that will, uh, rise in price,

00:12:25.860 uh, within a specific time horizon within 60 days. It's been an amazing project. It was an interesting

00:12:31.640 way to apply artificial intelligence to, uh, the investment markets. And, um, I've actually been

00:12:38.220 developing that even further to identify, uh, price movements and, uh, equities or stocks,

00:12:44.240 uh, which is something that, um, uh, I'll be, uh, actually doing within the next, uh, 30 or 60 days

00:12:51.740 that I'm, uh, very excited about, excited about it. It's incredible technology because it can ingest

00:12:58.380 an unbelievable amount of information and synthesize it and then be highly predictive in

00:13:05.160 terms of, uh, in terms of price direction. And how has it worked out with a cryptocurrency?

00:13:11.140 Well, last year, um, 84% of its recommendations were profitable. So in the world of, in the world

00:13:17.960 of trading, those types of numbers are, uh, pretty incredible. And how, what is your feeling

00:13:23.240 on cryptocurrency? It's, it's life, uh, with, you know, Britain just last week, or was it this

00:13:30.500 week saying that they are launching their own, you know, uh, bank of England, central bank

00:13:36.520 cryptocurrency, and we're right behind them. We are, I, I, we've been in a very antagonistic,

00:13:44.700 um, policy environment for digital assets of all kinds. Um, and I believe that that's been

00:13:51.480 done on purpose. The U S government has been holding the whole industry back, at least in

00:13:59.140 the United States, because they want to carve out their role in this space, specifically

00:14:05.180 the U S dollar central bank back digital currency and E dollar, whatever we, we call it. Uh, and

00:14:12.160 I think we're in for a very big surprise, uh, in the, in the coming months. Um, the federal

00:14:17.440 reserve bank of Boston, uh, had collaborated with MIT last year and finished a major project,

00:14:23.680 project Hamilton. I'm sure, you know, uh, and that work was just wrapped up. And I believe

00:14:29.820 that they are gearing up for the launch of this digital currency, um, digital wallets for

00:14:35.480 all, uh, uh, all Americans. And once that happens, once, once they've defined exactly what role

00:14:42.640 they're going to play, then I think the regulatory environment will open up for the entire blockchain

00:14:47.740 industry and for other digital assets. Um, they, they were threatened by stable coins in

00:14:54.160 particular. Uh, and once they've, once they've settled that, uh, and settled their role, then,

00:14:59.740 um, I'm actually optimistic and bullish about the industry moving forward. Once that happens,

00:15:05.120 really? You don't think they're going to try to trap all of us? Cause I mean, once they have

00:15:09.400 control, digital control of every dollar that is ever traded, they have complete control of

00:15:16.600 people. The risk, the risk given, you know, whatever the prevailing political narrative

00:15:22.540 is, is this, you know, social credit system, uh, similar to what's being employed in China.

00:15:28.820 That's, that's my biggest fear. Um, because the digital wallet can get very quickly turn into

00:15:35.260 a means of control, uh, of your money and your life and, uh, and your actions and your behaviors.

00:15:47.160 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:15:53.680 Mike Pompeo. Mike, how are you, sir?

00:15:56.280 Glenn, I'm great. How are you today?

00:15:58.020 I'm, I'm really good. I've, I've been looking forward to this. I hope we find time to sit down

00:16:02.780 for a, uh, a longer podcast because I promise you I'll do it. Okay, good. Um, I I've got so many

00:16:09.080 things for you, but I want to start with something that is in your book that I absolutely love. When

00:16:14.860 you, when you met, uh, Kim Jong-un, uh, in North Korea, uh, the meeting began with Kim saying what to

00:16:25.920 you? It was really quite something, uh, Easter weekend, 2018, clandest admission, uh, dark night

00:16:32.840 flew in, uh, met with chairman Kim. I had one colleague with me from the CA. And the first thing

00:16:37.720 he says to me, I walk in, there's lots of theater, uh, and we walk in and he says, Mr. Director,

00:16:44.040 I was the director at the time. He said, Mr. Director, I did not think that you would come

00:16:47.500 since you've been trying to kill me through a trans obviously through a translator. And I remember 1.00

00:16:53.320 Glenn, you'll appreciate this. I'd prepared for this. We'd studied what, what might he say?

00:16:57.880 This was not on the bingo cart. And so, uh, and so I, I remember I hear the translator. I paused

00:17:05.480 for just a second and I thought, well, that's pretty tough. And I said, uh, I said, Mr. Chairman,

00:17:10.660 you should know, I still am trying to kill you. My colleague, my colleague smiled, Andy Kim,

00:17:17.680 great guy smiled. And, uh, and then the translation hits him and he laughed too, which was a very

00:17:22.640 interesting thing. Yeah. That's a, that's kind of a, that's good when you're standing with a

00:17:26.660 dictator who kills people and he's on his turf. He knew it was tongue in cheek a little in the

00:17:32.200 same way that his barb at me was, but I think it also set the course for the relationship that we

00:17:36.620 built over the coming years. Um, how would you describe the American deep state? Um, and, and did

00:17:45.640 you just see it in action and, and what is it exactly? Oh, Glenn, it's a, yes, I saw it. It is

00:17:53.620 real. Uh, one can describe it as the deep state or the resistance. Here's what it really, here's how

00:17:59.240 I came to experience it, uh, really at the state department, to be honest with you. Um, it is a,

00:18:05.920 it is a left of center, left of left, perhaps left of center bureaucracy that is deeply of

00:18:12.100 Washington DC, deeply establishment. And so when you have someone like president Trump or me

00:18:17.280 who says those didn't work, we're going to try it a different way. We're going to take a little

00:18:20.920 more risk. We're going to, we're going to defend America first. Oh my gosh, Glenn, it was a mess.

00:18:26.680 They resisted what we did. They undermined, they would leak memos. I saw memos in the press before

00:18:32.080 they got to my desk, Glenn, so many times. Um, and this is problematic, uh, not because of me.

00:18:38.380 It's problematic because that's not what the constitution requires. That are our founders

00:18:42.020 thought about America. And so the next president, it's going to take, it's a, it's a, it's a bolo

00:18:47.380 to work. It's going to take a while, but this could be fixed. How can a president come in,

00:18:52.160 be elected? Because I I'm concerned. I agree with term limits, but term limits also for people who are

00:18:59.080 serving in Washington DC and all jobs, all levels. Um, how do you, how can you clean this up

00:19:06.220 without shutting it down? And, you know, did you unplug it and plug it back in? That's pretty much

00:19:13.140 what we have to do. No, that's a great, that's a great analogy. Yes. Unplug it. So you gotta,

00:19:18.640 you gotta break it down. Uh, and by the way, not just the state department, uh, good parts of the

00:19:23.120 justice department, most of specialist civil rights division, uh, the entire department of education,

00:19:27.820 these places are lost. And so, yes, the next president, uh, there's two things I'd say. First,

00:19:33.200 you gotta get your team on the field. One of the things we did not do is we were two years into

00:19:37.500 the administration and we still had Obama people occupying political positions. You just,

00:19:42.780 that's just a failure. And we got to get good at that. The conservative movement has to get good,

00:19:47.100 just like we have to collect and harvest ballots. We've got to get good at being fearless about

00:19:51.580 terminating the bad guys and promoting the good guys. And then second, big, deep structural reforms

00:19:58.120 inside these. And it'll cost political capital. And I can see why a president would not do that.

00:20:03.240 You've got a million things, but this is a lasting change that one can make about how you do hiring,

00:20:08.180 how you get rid of DEI programs, how you, we had three unions at the state department,

00:20:12.780 but nobody even knows this, right? Every one of my career employees was covered by a collective

00:20:16.760 bargaining agreement. You can't promote merit. You can't fire those who aren't on the team.

00:20:21.060 This is a calamity and it, but it is fixable. You put a good team in, you put good cabinet members

00:20:25.480 in, they hire the right folks. You can clean it up. It will take years. I'll be honest. Cause you

00:20:29.460 have to get the feed stuck, right? The talent that comes in has to be American patriotic,

00:20:34.880 not about being part of the Washington establishment, but it is doable with serious

00:20:39.080 and thoughtful effort. I'm sure, you know, that I'm, I'm one of the chief conspiracy theorists on

00:20:44.860 the world economic forum and the great reset. Do we have a lot of time? I mean, it is very

00:20:53.020 concerning with tech and the way it seems the entire West is, is throwing in their lot with,

00:21:03.180 uh, uh, a very, very authoritarian style, uh, plan.

00:21:11.840 I'm very concerned about it. Uh, time is short, not hours, days, weeks, months, but we are,

00:21:18.180 we are on the precipice of heading down the direction of Glenn, you know, this it starts in the

00:21:22.880 schools, teach kids garbage, teach kids crap. If parents don't know what's going on there,

00:21:27.280 the next generation doesn't understand logic reason, the things that, right. The things that

00:21:31.840 we know prevent us from being in a liberal, small liberal society that has made America such an

00:21:38.160 exceptional civilizational hero. Uh, we got to get it right. It's, um, it is a collective. It is in all

00:21:44.540 of our big institutions. I'm very worried. I was a soldier a long time ago. Now I'm worried about

00:21:49.040 our military had done that same path of forgetting what its mission is. It is that as an institution

00:21:55.620 that is central to the culturally and from a security perspective. And when we get these

00:22:00.560 things wrong, Glenn, hard to get back from. We're talking to Mike Pompeo. He has a book out that is

00:22:06.980 extraordinarily frank and great. It's called never given inch. Uh, he's a former CIA director and

00:22:13.500 former U S secretary of state. Um, let me, let me ask you a couple of questions here. Uh, first of

00:22:19.900 all, uh, Ukraine, uh, I mean, I've done enough research on Ukraine and the Biden administration

00:22:28.580 and the, and the Obama administration that is deeply corrupt. Um, I, I, I don't mind, you know,

00:22:36.280 aiding and praying for, and even helping privately, you know, uh, people who want to be free.

00:22:42.800 But, uh, I'm very concerned where we're going on this. Cause it, it, it appears to me, everybody

00:22:48.780 who is in charge is like, yeah, let's go, let's go. We're going to war. Do you agree with tanks

00:22:55.000 being sent over and offensive weaponry? Glenn, I actually do, but not for, not for the reason

00:23:03.200 that some have articulated your, your, your predicate. There's exactly spot on. And I talk

00:23:07.120 about this a little in the book and you're right. It's a pretty wide open document. It's got, you

00:23:12.760 know, me long enough, Glenn. I just, this is how I think about something that I, not for the reasons

00:23:16.960 often articulated. Ukraine's got huge corruption problems, but my concern is about the American 0.87

00:23:22.400 people. We lost deterrence, right? You know, Vladimir Putin didn't invade Europe on our watch.

00:23:28.300 He took a fifth of Ukraine under Obama. He went at it again. As soon as we left under Biden,

00:23:32.600 we, we cannot, we cannot allow him to continue to roam about Europe freely. It's the innocent

00:23:38.060 civilian lives are tragic, but there's an American interest there. It's not, but then I think we

00:23:43.180 can do this. He hasn't asked for our kids yet. We shouldn't send our young men and women. He

00:23:46.440 didn't want the 82nd airport. Just asking us to provide him with tools and capabilities. And that's

00:23:51.560 the quickest way to bring this to a conclusion. And the quicker concludes the less likelihood that

00:23:56.060 Putin does something really dumb that draws the whole world into this damn thing, which is a real

00:24:00.660 danger. And, you know, I spent a fair amount of time with Vladimir Putin. I'm, I'm more concerned

00:24:05.700 about it than others. I think he is not going to go quietly into the night. So if we can get the

00:24:10.160 Ukrainians what they need, they're prepared to have their own kids fight and die. That's something 1.00

00:24:14.520 that matters to every American. And we ought to try and get it right there.

00:24:17.580 So, uh, I, um, Mike Lee spent a lot of time yesterday, uh, looking at the Seymour Hersh,

00:24:23.840 uh, article and trying to track down, he's coming on the air in about an hour to tell me what he,

00:24:28.340 what he found. He said, uh, initially he was disturbed because he didn't believe it,

00:24:33.960 but he also kind of did. I mean, he, he didn't, he was, he said, and I hate to put words in his

00:24:40.160 mouth, but he was like, these are the kinds of things that now we do need to actually seriously

00:24:47.980 question because these kinds of things could happen. Um, uh, but he didn't think it was true

00:24:54.420 as former CIA director, the Nord Stream pipeline. Do you think we had anything to do with that at all?

00:25:03.960 Well, let me, let me begin. I don't know. I don't have access to that kind of information any longer,

00:25:08.460 but see, that's what Mike was saying. He did. He was disturbed that he didn't know access. He's a

00:25:14.300 United States Senator, right? He should have access to that. I'm glad he's going to go,

00:25:18.020 go suss it out and figure out what happened there. I'll say this, uh, Joe Biden wouldn't

00:25:22.680 shoot down a balloon over Montana. The chance he would blow up a pipeline that belonged to the 0.92

00:25:27.720 Germans seems low to me. It seems out of, it seems out of character. Okay. But, but goodness,

00:25:35.800 we should figure it out. Look, I think it's, I think it's more likely than not that the Russians 0.97

00:25:39.960 actually did this. I've read the piece. There are a couple of comments, uh, from Victoria

00:25:43.960 Newland who works state department, uh, who worked at the state department and from the president

00:25:48.600 himself, they're kind of odd statements. So we should go figure it out. But my, my sense is if I

00:25:54.500 was, if you maybe take my own money, I think this was a Russian operation aimed at, uh, denying energy

00:26:00.200 to what they thought would be a cold winter in Europe that just hasn't panned out. And the spy,

00:26:04.600 uh, Chinese spy balloon. I mean, we spent a million dollars on a rocket to shoot it down with a, 1.00

00:26:10.240 you know, $40 million plane. And then whether they say, and they're saying, Oh yeah, well,

00:26:15.400 it was not a risk. Well, then why we shoot it down? What, I mean, uh, what is this?

00:26:20.360 They've dissembled since the beginning. Uh, this was a spy operation by the Chinese communist 0.99

00:26:25.440 party. They were clearly collecting at least imagery pictures, probably, uh, signals to

00:26:31.040 trying to listen to what was going on. And they were also testing our air defenses.

00:26:35.460 And finally they're testing president Biden, uh, to see what he would do. And, you know,

00:26:40.060 I, someone asked me yesterday, would this have flown over America that way for five days under

00:26:43.940 the Trump administration? And I said, yes, that I would have been the former secretary of state

00:26:47.820 very quickly. Uh, so, uh, so, uh, and it was funny, Glenn, you remember they came out and first

00:26:54.700 said, Oh, this happened under Trump. And we all came out and said, no, it didn't, you know, I,

00:26:58.300 I guess we were all just smoking dope. Right. Uh, come on. And the truth of the matter is that we

00:27:04.140 know they lied. Uh, no one knew about this before this was, this was, uh, this was a blunder on their

00:27:09.360 watch. Not so much about the collection. Okay. That's some risk, but Xi Jinping now is confident

00:27:14.980 that he can push this president around. And that's, you know, that deterrence model that we had,

00:27:19.220 Glenn, that was so important to the American people. When you lose that, you just, you,

00:27:22.960 you create space. The, uh, what's the old Southwest airlines line, uh, feel free to move about the

00:27:28.600 cabin, right? I think the bad guys are feeling pretty damn free to move about the cabin. And

00:27:33.020 if you live in Arizona or Tennessee or Montana, that creates an awful lot more risk to your kids

00:27:38.160 and grandkids. Uh, is China the risk? I think it is. And, um, is it, uh, how much of a role does 0.96

00:27:48.240 the business dealings of the Biden administration or Biden and his family have to do with giving

00:27:55.200 China a pass on so much?

00:27:58.400 Boy, I don't know if that's the motivation for their failure to confront this greatest threat

00:28:03.520 to the United States, the Chinese communist party. It could be, we should get to the bottom

00:28:07.120 of everything that's on that laptop and figure out where the leverage might be from the Chinese

00:28:11.740 communist party. I'm not just, not just president Biden, but lots of folks in his administration

00:28:16.340 were doing lots of business in China before they came into office. I mean, Mitch McConnell

00:28:21.160 is a big one too. Mitch McConnell, totally not partisan. Get this right for America. This

00:28:28.280 isn't about these and ours or, you know, putting on the yellow helmet or the blue helmet. This

00:28:32.480 is protecting the United States. And they're inside our institutions all across America.

00:28:37.640 I know they are.

00:28:38.220 It's at our universities. I've had a massive spy operation being run out of the consulate

00:28:42.720 in Houston, Texas that I shut down and we just, we'd let it go on for years.

00:28:46.340 When, if we get a chance to do the podcast, I'd love to spend more time because

00:28:49.560 my fear from the Chinese communist party, isn't about something that might happen in Taiwan or

00:28:54.520 Japan or Vietnam here. It's what's happening inside the gates here. And every American should 1.00

00:28:59.740 be aware of it and we should protect ourselves and we can, and we can be successful. And I believe

00:29:04.600 we will. I see no evidence this president's prepared to do that.

00:29:08.280 Well, Mike, I appreciate your time and we will all in my office reach out to yours today. And

00:29:13.280 let's book some, some time on a podcast because we'll make it happen.

00:29:17.500 A lot of information. Thank you so much. God bless.

00:29:20.580 Thank you, sir.

00:29:21.220 You bet.

00:29:23.500 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:29:30.420 Senator Mike Lee. How are you, sir?

00:29:32.760 I'm doing great. And it's an honor to be on the phone with the most well-preserved 37 year

00:29:38.900 old on radio.

00:29:41.200 You know, Mike, I, uh, I, I wanted to invite you to my party this weekend, but I, you know,

00:29:47.000 last time you came, the neighbors called, uh, I called you 37. That's a compliment. 1.00

00:29:52.520 Uh, so Mike, uh, this week has been really, it taught me something. Um, I don't, in the end,

00:30:03.480 I don't believe the Seymour Hersh article. He's got only one source and he's got a reputation of,

00:30:10.440 of, you know, making things up and really only respected by, you know, the far, far left. Um,

00:30:17.740 but I don't know. And it, uh, disturbs me that I couldn't out of hand reject that as a nonsense

00:30:28.440 idea. You feel the same way. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. I have the same reaction. That's why

00:30:34.320 when I, um, tweeted it out, I said, if, if false slanderous, if true war, that's the part that's

00:30:41.400 troubling. Now, since then I've had the opportunity to talk to a number of my colleagues, colleagues who

00:30:45.660 have, uh, delved deeply into some classified matters, um, across the board and, um, a number

00:30:53.620 of, uh, all of them who expressed an opinion on it, um, have said that they believe it to be false.

00:31:00.220 I've asked for a classified briefing on it. It may take a few days for me to get that set up,

00:31:05.400 but what this does do is it tees up some questions. Okay. Hang on just a second. Hang on. When they

00:31:10.340 said, before you go there, let me ask you, let me clarify. They said they don't think it's true,

00:31:14.960 or they said it's not true. They said it's not true. Okay. Good. They affirmatively believe it

00:31:20.700 to be false. Those who expressed an opinion, not all of them, uh, had, um, had had enough

00:31:26.720 information, uh, to, to really speak to it. But those that did, uh, uniformly said, yeah, this isn't

00:31:33.660 true. And, and I have reasons for it, uh, to believe that it's not true. Okay. But here are some

00:31:39.480 things that, that, that kind of linger. Um, first of all, does president Biden and does the, um,

00:31:46.440 executive branch of government generally in and out of Republican and democratic administrations,

00:31:51.420 does it believe that it's got the authority to undertake this kind of hostile action

00:31:55.000 without informing Congress? This is what was so troubling about it is it described in great detail

00:32:00.380 how one would go about it. If they wanted to engage in a clandestine military operation,

00:32:06.140 one that could somehow bypass not only, uh, a constitutional requirement for a declaration

00:32:11.940 of war or an AUMF, but even notifying congressional leaders. Right. You have a, explain this, Mike,

00:32:19.520 there is a gang of eight, which is, uh, the represents the Senate and the house, uh, both Intel committees,

00:32:28.100 right. And you, that those eight people are read in at the highest level of anything like this,

00:32:37.600 but this article from Seymour Hearst said, yeah, we can go around that easily and, and laid it out

00:32:45.340 in great detail. Have you done any work on that to see if that's even possible? Yeah. So there,

00:32:52.640 there are theoretically ways in which they could avoid that. And if they did, the geopolitical

00:32:59.960 consequences would be enormous. Enormous. If in fact, if in fact this attack was designed to force

00:33:06.360 Europe to end its reliance on Russian, Russian natural gas, you know, in order to secure support

00:33:11.740 for the effort against Russia in Ukraine, if they in fact did that, then these consequences would be

00:33:18.760 enormous. This would be not only a direct attack on Russia, but also an act of hostility that has

00:33:25.420 massive impacts on Germany, on France, spillover ramifications, really all over Europe, whole world.

00:33:31.200 We're talking about millions of Europeans who've had gas supply affected by this disruption. So if this

00:33:38.180 report were true, uh, uh, uh, then it'd be incredibly troubling to say the least. I'll tell you, Mike,

00:33:46.400 there there's, we have, we have seen things in the past that our government did that they did in

00:33:52.700 secret and we, we didn't know. And when we find out, we correct it, um, or at least try to, but

00:33:59.460 this one to me is different than anything I've seen in history because as this came out and I first read

00:34:06.380 it, I thought to myself, good Lord, if this is true, our children are going to be fighting a war

00:34:12.760 that none of us had any idea or any participation in any of this stuff. It's a group of people who

00:34:21.400 have decided they know best and they're committing us to war. That is, that is so un-American. So 0.52

00:34:29.540 against, I mean, it felt like, you know what? I, I would rather have our military go in and march up

00:34:35.700 and get those guys that did all of this and try them than go fight Russia. Cause I would kind of agree 0.98

00:34:41.420 with Russia. We shouldn't have done that. No, that's, that's exactly right. And regardless of 0.99

00:34:49.360 how this happened or whether any of this happened at all, um, I, I really would like to know who did

00:34:56.540 it because it's not just anyone who can go out into the ocean and go deep down, uh, into the ocean

00:35:04.980 and sever multiple pipelines, uh, uh, and then set it up in such a way that you're not anywhere near

00:35:13.500 the blast zone, uh, when the event finally takes off. Have you talked to anybody? Have you talked to

00:35:20.880 anybody who knows how many nations could pull something like that off? Yeah, I've talked to a

00:35:27.280 handful of colleagues who have said, uh, that, you know, they can think of some that could have done

00:35:33.980 it. And, um, it's not something we can talk about outside of a classified environment, but that's part

00:35:39.440 of why I've requested this briefing. Okay. And is it, but there are some, some other suspects that

00:35:47.000 would make sense? I, I, I don't know. I don't know that I can make sense of it before I know

00:35:53.460 who it is who could even technologically speaking, pull it off. So I just had Mike Pompeo on and he

00:36:00.060 said that he thought it was Russia to drive up the price of oil. Yeah. Okay. So that, that one is

00:36:06.540 really hard for me to accept. Remember Glenn, Russia is pulling in or has been pulling in a billion

00:36:16.040 dollars a day in natural gas revenue, natural gas revenue that it's selling to Europe.

00:36:23.460 I believe Germany alone sends them money, uh, uh, uh, along the lines of about a billion dollars a

00:36:31.760 day for their natural gas to bite the hand that feeds in so prominent and severe away. It doesn't

00:36:39.260 really add up, but you never know, uh, for Russia can do some weird stuff. That one seems to be

00:36:47.320 stretching the imagination a little, um, Mike, on the same day that this came out about two hours

00:36:53.260 later, there was a report, uh, from CNN that had security insiders that, uh, uh, found out that

00:37:02.140 we had evidence that Vladimir Putin shot down, uh, the Malaysian airliner and that it, it was the

00:37:11.460 missiles came from Russia and that it was tracked to him, uh, saying that they were going to shoot,

00:37:18.280 shoot this down. Uh, I found the timing to be extraordinary. Russia comes out with a story 0.78

00:37:25.540 or Seymour Hearst comes out with a story that we did an act of war and two hours later,

00:37:31.620 well, lo and behold, here is Vladimir Putin, uh, committing an act of war. Is that a coincidence?

00:37:39.300 Uh, um, one, one, one could argue that it is not, but Vladimir Putin is an evil man. Oh yeah,

00:37:46.460 I know that. He's a megalomaniac. He is, uh, uh, one who has genocidal ambitions and, um, his

00:37:56.600 ambitions, no, no boundaries. And so I, I wouldn't put anything past it. When you look at what, um,

00:38:03.500 uh, England is doing training pilots now, uh, in Ukraine, that's clearly, um, the next step to

00:38:13.140 receiving planes for them to fly. Are you concerned at all about the equipment and everything that we're

00:38:21.540 sending over, uh, that at some point, I mean, I know I would really at this point, if I was in Russia's

00:38:29.820 shoes, I'd be like, what? I mean, you know, who we're really fighting. It's not the Ukrainians. It's the 1.00

00:38:36.800 West. Look at what they're doing. So is there a point that is a breaking point where, where people like you

00:38:44.660 will stand up? And I know you have already spoken out about a lot of this stuff, but where you're like

00:38:49.060 no more, this is it. This is insane. Yeah. Look, um, I believe that we have to tread, especially carefully

00:38:58.940 when approaching a nuclear armed near peer geopolitical adversary, which Russia is. And I

00:39:06.000 believe that, um, while these are questions of degree and, uh, many people will focus on the

00:39:11.860 difference between defensive weapons and assistance and non-defensive. I think if we take one step

00:39:20.340 further, we will have obliterated any distinction. And I think if we're going to take one step further

00:39:26.500 in that direction, we need to have an authorization for the use of military force or a declaration of

00:39:31.700 war. If it's one thing, we're going to get involved in a war with Russia. I don't want that at all to

00:39:38.060 be sure, but if America is going to consider that it needs to have elected representatives in Congress

00:39:43.080 making that decision and not just have it made sort of sideways through appropriations for funding

00:39:48.640 and bold statements by our executive. I mean, that's why, um, England was in so much trouble by the

00:39:53.860 time we entered world war, uh, two Congress had blocked any of the sales of stuff. I mean,

00:39:58.880 it had to go through Congress. Uh, Mike, when the president, uh, the state of the union was talking

00:40:05.340 about, you know, defunding social security, I love the look on your face. The camera book got to you

00:40:11.800 and you were just dumbfounded. You were like, what the, what is going on here tonight? Uh, first of all,

00:40:19.260 do you have any comment on, on the speech and how you were feeling that night?

00:40:24.280 Yeah, I was done. Look, it was my 13th state of the union that I've attended since

00:40:29.040 I've been at the United States Senate and I've never seen such

00:40:33.040 raisin, uh,

00:40:36.580 yeah.

00:40:37.600 Also it spewed from the president of the United States. He sat there and accused Republicans

00:40:42.040 claimed quite falsely that Republicans were saying that they were going to mess with social security

00:40:47.920 in their, in our negotiations over conditions for raising the debt to him. It's just false.

00:40:53.960 It is categorically false. And he sat there and said that in front of us, then looked stunned

00:40:59.820 that we took exception to it. And then after that, uh, the next day gave speeches and sent out tweets,

00:41:06.820 uh, tried to make us look like hypocrites, but still demonstrating that he doesn't understand

00:41:11.900 what he's dealing with. He doesn't even understand the facts that he's trying to raise.

00:41:16.460 Right. And so one of the things that they sent out was a clip of you. We have the clip. Uh,

00:41:22.460 let's play that please.

00:41:25.460 I'm here right now to tell you one thing

00:41:28.160 that you probably haven't ever heard from a politician. It will be my objective to phase

00:41:36.140 out social security to pull it up by the roots and get rid of it.

00:41:42.240 People who advise me politically always tell me that's dangerous. And I tell them in that case,

00:41:46.420 it's not worth my running.

00:41:48.100 I said to my wife, when I heard that she said, Oh my gosh, I can't believe they're saying this

00:41:52.840 about social security. And I said, yeah, I know. Cause if that was really what the Republicans were

00:41:56.940 doing, I'd want to vote for them. Uh, but we have to take on social security, but that doesn't mean

00:42:04.720 leaving old people without any kind of, uh, uh, fulfillment of the promise. Can you explain this 1.00

00:42:11.100 clip? Yes, absolutely. First of all, through programs like that, through social security in

00:42:18.260 particular, the government has created a program. They promised people back in the thirties when they

00:42:22.680 created it. This will be your money, your account, your retirement. We can't, we won't touch it because

00:42:27.600 it's your money. It was absolutely false. They were lying. They've been lying for decades.

00:42:32.420 They've been stealing, plundering this social security trust fund. They do it all the time.

00:42:38.140 They've done it even just in the year since I've been in the Senate. So what I was channeling there

00:42:43.040 was the fact that social security, as it's been set up, as it's been managed, has really hurt people.

00:42:50.260 And it's been an act of deception. What the president of course didn't play, uh, and, and,

00:42:57.000 and what you didn't play was the rest of the sentence, the rest of that communication and any

00:43:02.060 other that I've ever had, which was where I said, we of course have to honor the promises of people

00:43:07.700 who have paid into this thing. You can't just leave them hanging, having been promised. Uh, in other

00:43:13.660 words, it's a long-term objective, one that would take decades to complete because you do have to

00:43:18.940 honor those promises. But social security, as we know it, as it's been raided and plundered,

00:43:24.500 has been used as a tool to take money from Americans to provide this little slush fund piggy bank

00:43:29.980 for Congress to raid whenever it wants to, to mismanage and to distribute to other pet

00:43:35.960 progressive priorities, which is awful.

00:43:37.640 I have to tell you, I'm, I'm, uh, 59. So I'm just, you know, a few years away from social security.

00:43:43.560 I've known my whole life. Pardon me? Yeah, I know. Right. Thank you. Uh, uh, I've known my whole

00:43:52.760 life. Social security is going to collapse. So I haven't counted on it. Now I'm in a situation

00:43:57.760 where I don't have to count on it, but if they would have invested my money, I started working when I was

00:44:03.480 eight. Uh, and I started getting an official paycheck when I was 13. So I've been paying into

00:44:09.760 social security for many years. If my money would have been invested and would have been in stocks,

00:44:17.020 I can't tell you how wealthy I would be today. And that's really what they promised us they were going

00:44:23.820 to do. And they didn't. So now we can't pay for anything, but there does come a time. There's not

00:44:30.520 anybody my age that hasn't heard this from the beginning. I was in high school. I heard it from

00:44:35.620 Reagan. I mean, we've known it's not going to last. There comes a time when you have to say, guys,

00:44:42.260 we're going to finish the generation that really needs it right now, but we, we've got to, we got 0.99

00:44:49.400 to shut the taps down. We're going to do it slowly, methodically, and with lots of time, but we got to

00:44:55.080 shut this off. And I, I commend you for that, Mike. I commend you. Thank you. In all my 12 years

00:45:01.700 in the Senate, I've never proposed abolishing those benefits. Of course not. Instead, look for

00:45:06.000 ways to make them sustainable and shame on the president for lying about this. Wow. He actually

00:45:10.420 used it. He actually used the lying word. Mike is so temperate in everything. Mistruths. But, uh,

00:45:17.880 thank you, Mike. God, God bless you. I love you very much. Thank you. Bye-bye. Thank you. He is such

00:45:23.440 a, he's such a radical, isn't he? Mistruths. Did anybody notice that the first time he couldn't

00:45:31.120 bring himself to say lie? He didn't want to go there. And I thought this is the guy that everybody

00:45:35.780 tries to make into a radical, please.

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