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Glenn Beck sits down with Jeff Brown to talk about the future and the dangers of artificial intelligence (AI) and nuclear weapons. Jeff Brown is one of the most popular guests on the Glenn Beck Show and is a frequent guest on The Glenn Beck Program.
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Hey, today's podcast goes right to the future with Jeff Brown. He is one of our best guests
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ever. Very, very popular. He is a guy who's on the podcast on Saturday, full podcast,
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about 80 minutes with him talking about future predictions. We play some of it in the first
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part of today's podcast. And then I have him on to really go into what is he worried about with
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this tech. End of AI week with Jeff Brown. First part of today's podcast and the full podcast
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tomorrow. Then we had Mike Pompeo on to talk about the balloon, to talk about Ukraine and some of the
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things that he learned while he was over in South Korea. You don't want to miss Mike Pompeo. We then
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wrapped up the final hour with Mike Lee, who had done his homework and is going to be doing some
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more homework over the next four or five days. Did we blow up the Nord Stream pipeline? He did his
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homework. He thinks he has an answer, but he wants to ask questions in the SCIF, the top secret room
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himself and look at all of the documents he can. He brought up a point that no one else is really
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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This is the Glenn Beck program. We welcome now to the program, Jeff Brown. I'm sorry,
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Jeff. I thought you were coming in. I'm glad we have you on the phone.
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I'm hearing talk back a bit. Okay. So, Jeff, we played a bunch of the really positive stuff that's
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coming our way, but I ended the interview asking you if you were a pessimist or optimist, because
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this is the best of times, this is the worst of times. This technology is the greatest tool
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authoritarians have ever had by far, and it could enslave the entire world. First, is that hyperbole?
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Well, I wish I could say it's not hyperbole. It's the worst case scenario is absolutely
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a possibility. We can't discount that, and ignoring it would be, I think, even more dangerous for us,
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but perhaps history may be a good guide. As we think back over the last 100 years, for example,
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we've always been faced with new technologies that were highly disruptive and could certainly be used
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for ill will, but so far, the world, society, has found a way to continually bring out more and more
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abundance for the world to lift billions of people out of poverty and increase the quality of
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life and living for the entire planet. And so we have very good reasons to be optimistic about
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managing through this next transition in terms of employing these incredible technologies.
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So I would feel like nuclear weapons, that could have killed everybody on the planet 100 times over
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and killed the planet. But we didn't, because we have common decency and intelligence. However,
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I don't feel like this is the 1950s, where you have to talk about it and talk about it in a rational way,
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you know, the threats of nuclear war and what it means, like Eisenhower said, the military-industrial
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complex. I see, as we spoke about yesterday, I don't see a lot of good guys that have global power
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and are in governments. I don't see the Winston Churchill's that are like, no, no, no, wait a
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minute, that belongs to people. That's a dramatic difference, isn't it? I agree with that. And
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perhaps another framework for us to consider that is that nuclear weapons, you know, they're hardware,
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right? They're ICBMs, they're rockets, like we can count them, we can figure out where all of the
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silos are located, we can determine how much uranium is being enriched, and we can kind of assess the
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threat level, and how much of it is out there. But with artificial intelligence, this is a completely
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new framework. It's software. It's nearly impossible to understand how it's proliferating or how it's
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being used by bad actors. And, you know, you have things like the World Economic Forum, where you've
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combined big tech, big business, big government, and authoritarians who are arrogant. It can't fall
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That's correct. It is too much power to be given to a small group of people who believe that they can
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You've done a couple of things. You're working on, you're looking for people that will
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run a company that would actually take like these ChatGPT and take AI and make it so it is personal,
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so it can fight against, you know, the ChatGPT that's owned by Google or Apple or whoever,
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and it actually protects the individual. Is that possible to do this?
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It absolutely is. And I think there's even a way to do it in a way that it does not become
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politically polarizing. You know, you and I, yesterday, we explored the idea of,
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let's just creating an objective large language model that can be improved or enhanced, desired on
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the learner or the individual's or the group's particular preferences by making kind of, let's
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just call it a core engine, a core artificial intelligence engine, and productizing that,
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and then allowing that engine to be customized with additional inputs as determined by, again,
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the individual, the learner, the group, you know, even a country perhaps could find value in that
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so that it's contextually relevant, so that it's socially relevant, culturally relevant,
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given whatever the needs of those individuals or groups actually are. And that could be done,
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you know, without the kind of data surveillance models that are employed by the Googles and the
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Facebooks of this world. When you look at the surveillance models, I asked you, and we never even
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got to this, but I asked you about Whammy. I was reading about, what does that stand for again?
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Wide angle motion imagery. And the way it's being used, for instance, in China is terrifying. I mean,
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there is no escape at any time from being monitored, predicted, moved, you know, recorded. I mean,
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it is terrifying. And Whammy is starting to spread over the globe, is it not? We have Whammy.
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It is. Well, you know, the most prominent country historically has been the UK, right?
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In terms of the number of cameras and video surveillance of a population, it's really quite
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extraordinary what's happened in the UK. But you're absolutely right. Obviously, the geography of
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China is much greater. So it's a harder problem to solve, but it's just infrastructure. And it's not
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just what's become more interesting. We talked about how the aerospace industry has really been
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transformed by SpaceX, lowering the cost of launching kilograms to orbit by more than 90%.
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That's resulted in a proliferation of companies that launch basically CubeSats or small satellites
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that are used for imagery from space. So this is, think about this as almost a compliment or a
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supplement to cameras and video surveillance on the ground. These data sets, these video inputs
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are literally ingested into machine learning and forms of artificial intelligence to determine
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whether something is or isn't wrong as defined or programmed by whoever the overlords are that feel
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that they need to monitor their entire population. So yes, this, the, you know, what technology can do.
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The problem previously wasn't the video cameras. It was how to analyze and ingest and provide
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actionable intelligence from all of the video. Humans can't possibly do that. It has to be automated.
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And the way it's automated is through machine learning and artificial intelligence.
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I want to talk to you. We've got about three minutes left. I want to talk to you about Project
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Perceptron. This is a system that you and your team have built and it, it, uh, revolves around
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cryptocurrency. Can you explain what's coming in about 60 days? Um, well, or no way what's coming.
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I mean, it is launched, but it's not, is it operable now? Uh, yes, I've been running. Um, I, I built
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my own artificial intelligence, a deep neural network. Um, and we took a very, uh, kind of
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obscure data set, which is cryptocurrencies, digital assets, and we built it in a way where
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it's able to predict price movements. Um, so it predicts assets with that will, uh, rise in price,
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uh, within a specific time horizon within 60 days. It's been an amazing project. It was an interesting
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way to apply artificial intelligence to, uh, the investment markets. And, um, I've actually been
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developing that even further to identify, uh, price movements and, uh, equities or stocks,
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uh, which is something that, um, uh, I'll be, uh, actually doing within the next, uh, 30 or 60 days
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that I'm, uh, very excited about, excited about it. It's incredible technology because it can ingest
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an unbelievable amount of information and synthesize it and then be highly predictive in
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terms of, uh, in terms of price direction. And how has it worked out with a cryptocurrency?
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Well, last year, um, 84% of its recommendations were profitable. So in the world of, in the world
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of trading, those types of numbers are, uh, pretty incredible. And how, what is your feeling
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on cryptocurrency? It's, it's life, uh, with, you know, Britain just last week, or was it this
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week saying that they are launching their own, you know, uh, bank of England, central bank
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cryptocurrency, and we're right behind them. We are, I, I, we've been in a very antagonistic,
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um, policy environment for digital assets of all kinds. Um, and I believe that that's been
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done on purpose. The U S government has been holding the whole industry back, at least in
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the United States, because they want to carve out their role in this space, specifically
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the U S dollar central bank back digital currency and E dollar, whatever we, we call it. Uh, and
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I think we're in for a very big surprise, uh, in the, in the coming months. Um, the federal
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reserve bank of Boston, uh, had collaborated with MIT last year and finished a major project,
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project Hamilton. I'm sure, you know, uh, and that work was just wrapped up. And I believe
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that they are gearing up for the launch of this digital currency, um, digital wallets for
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all, uh, uh, all Americans. And once that happens, once, once they've defined exactly what role
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they're going to play, then I think the regulatory environment will open up for the entire blockchain
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industry and for other digital assets. Um, they, they were threatened by stable coins in
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particular. Uh, and once they've, once they've settled that, uh, and settled their role, then,
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um, I'm actually optimistic and bullish about the industry moving forward. Once that happens,
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really? You don't think they're going to try to trap all of us? Cause I mean, once they have
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control, digital control of every dollar that is ever traded, they have complete control of
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people. The risk, the risk given, you know, whatever the prevailing political narrative
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is, is this, you know, social credit system, uh, similar to what's being employed in China.
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That's, that's my biggest fear. Um, because the digital wallet can get very quickly turn into
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a means of control, uh, of your money and your life and, uh, and your actions and your behaviors.
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I'm, I'm really good. I've, I've been looking forward to this. I hope we find time to sit down
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for a, uh, a longer podcast because I promise you I'll do it. Okay, good. Um, I I've got so many
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things for you, but I want to start with something that is in your book that I absolutely love. When
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you, when you met, uh, Kim Jong-un, uh, in North Korea, uh, the meeting began with Kim saying what to
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you? It was really quite something, uh, Easter weekend, 2018, clandest admission, uh, dark night
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flew in, uh, met with chairman Kim. I had one colleague with me from the CA. And the first thing
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he says to me, I walk in, there's lots of theater, uh, and we walk in and he says, Mr. Director,
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I was the director at the time. He said, Mr. Director, I did not think that you would come
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since you've been trying to kill me through a trans obviously through a translator. And I remember
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Glenn, you'll appreciate this. I'd prepared for this. We'd studied what, what might he say?
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This was not on the bingo cart. And so, uh, and so I, I remember I hear the translator. I paused
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for just a second and I thought, well, that's pretty tough. And I said, uh, I said, Mr. Chairman,
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you should know, I still am trying to kill you. My colleague, my colleague smiled, Andy Kim,
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great guy smiled. And, uh, and then the translation hits him and he laughed too, which was a very
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interesting thing. Yeah. That's a, that's kind of a, that's good when you're standing with a
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dictator who kills people and he's on his turf. He knew it was tongue in cheek a little in the
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same way that his barb at me was, but I think it also set the course for the relationship that we
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built over the coming years. Um, how would you describe the American deep state? Um, and, and did
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you just see it in action and, and what is it exactly? Oh, Glenn, it's a, yes, I saw it. It is
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real. Uh, one can describe it as the deep state or the resistance. Here's what it really, here's how
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I came to experience it, uh, really at the state department, to be honest with you. Um, it is a,
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it is a left of center, left of left, perhaps left of center bureaucracy that is deeply of
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Washington DC, deeply establishment. And so when you have someone like president Trump or me
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who says those didn't work, we're going to try it a different way. We're going to take a little
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more risk. We're going to, we're going to defend America first. Oh my gosh, Glenn, it was a mess.
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They resisted what we did. They undermined, they would leak memos. I saw memos in the press before
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they got to my desk, Glenn, so many times. Um, and this is problematic, uh, not because of me.
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It's problematic because that's not what the constitution requires. That are our founders
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thought about America. And so the next president, it's going to take, it's a, it's a, it's a bolo
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to work. It's going to take a while, but this could be fixed. How can a president come in,
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be elected? Because I I'm concerned. I agree with term limits, but term limits also for people who are
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serving in Washington DC and all jobs, all levels. Um, how do you, how can you clean this up
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without shutting it down? And, you know, did you unplug it and plug it back in? That's pretty much
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what we have to do. No, that's a great, that's a great analogy. Yes. Unplug it. So you gotta,
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you gotta break it down. Uh, and by the way, not just the state department, uh, good parts of the
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justice department, most of specialist civil rights division, uh, the entire department of education,
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these places are lost. And so, yes, the next president, uh, there's two things I'd say. First,
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you gotta get your team on the field. One of the things we did not do is we were two years into
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the administration and we still had Obama people occupying political positions. You just,
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that's just a failure. And we got to get good at that. The conservative movement has to get good,
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just like we have to collect and harvest ballots. We've got to get good at being fearless about
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terminating the bad guys and promoting the good guys. And then second, big, deep structural reforms
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inside these. And it'll cost political capital. And I can see why a president would not do that.
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You've got a million things, but this is a lasting change that one can make about how you do hiring,
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how you get rid of DEI programs, how you, we had three unions at the state department,
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but nobody even knows this, right? Every one of my career employees was covered by a collective
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bargaining agreement. You can't promote merit. You can't fire those who aren't on the team.
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This is a calamity and it, but it is fixable. You put a good team in, you put good cabinet members
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in, they hire the right folks. You can clean it up. It will take years. I'll be honest. Cause you
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have to get the feed stuck, right? The talent that comes in has to be American patriotic,
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not about being part of the Washington establishment, but it is doable with serious
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and thoughtful effort. I'm sure, you know, that I'm, I'm one of the chief conspiracy theorists on
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the world economic forum and the great reset. Do we have a lot of time? I mean, it is very
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concerning with tech and the way it seems the entire West is, is throwing in their lot with,
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uh, uh, a very, very authoritarian style, uh, plan.
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I'm very concerned about it. Uh, time is short, not hours, days, weeks, months, but we are,
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we are on the precipice of heading down the direction of Glenn, you know, this it starts in the
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schools, teach kids garbage, teach kids crap. If parents don't know what's going on there,
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the next generation doesn't understand logic reason, the things that, right. The things that
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we know prevent us from being in a liberal, small liberal society that has made America such an
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exceptional civilizational hero. Uh, we got to get it right. It's, um, it is a collective. It is in all
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of our big institutions. I'm very worried. I was a soldier a long time ago. Now I'm worried about
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our military had done that same path of forgetting what its mission is. It is that as an institution
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that is central to the culturally and from a security perspective. And when we get these
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things wrong, Glenn, hard to get back from. We're talking to Mike Pompeo. He has a book out that is
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extraordinarily frank and great. It's called never given inch. Uh, he's a former CIA director and
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former U S secretary of state. Um, let me, let me ask you a couple of questions here. Uh, first of
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all, uh, Ukraine, uh, I mean, I've done enough research on Ukraine and the Biden administration
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and the, and the Obama administration that is deeply corrupt. Um, I, I, I don't mind, you know,
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aiding and praying for, and even helping privately, you know, uh, people who want to be free.
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But, uh, I'm very concerned where we're going on this. Cause it, it, it appears to me, everybody
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who is in charge is like, yeah, let's go, let's go. We're going to war. Do you agree with tanks
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being sent over and offensive weaponry? Glenn, I actually do, but not for, not for the reason
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that some have articulated your, your, your predicate. There's exactly spot on. And I talk
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about this a little in the book and you're right. It's a pretty wide open document. It's got, you
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know, me long enough, Glenn. I just, this is how I think about something that I, not for the reasons
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often articulated. Ukraine's got huge corruption problems, but my concern is about the American
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people. We lost deterrence, right? You know, Vladimir Putin didn't invade Europe on our watch.
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He took a fifth of Ukraine under Obama. He went at it again. As soon as we left under Biden,
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we, we cannot, we cannot allow him to continue to roam about Europe freely. It's the innocent
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civilian lives are tragic, but there's an American interest there. It's not, but then I think we
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can do this. He hasn't asked for our kids yet. We shouldn't send our young men and women. He
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didn't want the 82nd airport. Just asking us to provide him with tools and capabilities. And that's
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the quickest way to bring this to a conclusion. And the quicker concludes the less likelihood that
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Putin does something really dumb that draws the whole world into this damn thing, which is a real
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danger. And, you know, I spent a fair amount of time with Vladimir Putin. I'm, I'm more concerned
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about it than others. I think he is not going to go quietly into the night. So if we can get the
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Ukrainians what they need, they're prepared to have their own kids fight and die. That's something
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that matters to every American. And we ought to try and get it right there.
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So, uh, I, um, Mike Lee spent a lot of time yesterday, uh, looking at the Seymour Hersh,
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uh, article and trying to track down, he's coming on the air in about an hour to tell me what he,
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what he found. He said, uh, initially he was disturbed because he didn't believe it,
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but he also kind of did. I mean, he, he didn't, he was, he said, and I hate to put words in his
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mouth, but he was like, these are the kinds of things that now we do need to actually seriously
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question because these kinds of things could happen. Um, uh, but he didn't think it was true
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as former CIA director, the Nord Stream pipeline. Do you think we had anything to do with that at all?
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Well, let me, let me begin. I don't know. I don't have access to that kind of information any longer,
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but see, that's what Mike was saying. He did. He was disturbed that he didn't know access. He's a
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United States Senator, right? He should have access to that. I'm glad he's going to go,
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go suss it out and figure out what happened there. I'll say this, uh, Joe Biden wouldn't
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shoot down a balloon over Montana. The chance he would blow up a pipeline that belonged to the
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Germans seems low to me. It seems out of, it seems out of character. Okay. But, but goodness,
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we should figure it out. Look, I think it's, I think it's more likely than not that the Russians
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actually did this. I've read the piece. There are a couple of comments, uh, from Victoria
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Newland who works state department, uh, who worked at the state department and from the president
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himself, they're kind of odd statements. So we should go figure it out. But my, my sense is if I
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was, if you maybe take my own money, I think this was a Russian operation aimed at, uh, denying energy
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to what they thought would be a cold winter in Europe that just hasn't panned out. And the spy,
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uh, Chinese spy balloon. I mean, we spent a million dollars on a rocket to shoot it down with a,
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you know, $40 million plane. And then whether they say, and they're saying, Oh yeah, well,
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it was not a risk. Well, then why we shoot it down? What, I mean, uh, what is this?
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They've dissembled since the beginning. Uh, this was a spy operation by the Chinese communist
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party. They were clearly collecting at least imagery pictures, probably, uh, signals to
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trying to listen to what was going on. And they were also testing our air defenses.
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And finally they're testing president Biden, uh, to see what he would do. And, you know,
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I, someone asked me yesterday, would this have flown over America that way for five days under
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the Trump administration? And I said, yes, that I would have been the former secretary of state
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very quickly. Uh, so, uh, so, uh, and it was funny, Glenn, you remember they came out and first
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said, Oh, this happened under Trump. And we all came out and said, no, it didn't, you know, I,
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I guess we were all just smoking dope. Right. Uh, come on. And the truth of the matter is that we
00:27:04.140
know they lied. Uh, no one knew about this before this was, this was, uh, this was a blunder on their
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watch. Not so much about the collection. Okay. That's some risk, but Xi Jinping now is confident
00:27:14.980
that he can push this president around. And that's, you know, that deterrence model that we had,
00:27:19.220
Glenn, that was so important to the American people. When you lose that, you just, you,
00:27:22.960
you create space. The, uh, what's the old Southwest airlines line, uh, feel free to move about the
00:27:28.600
cabin, right? I think the bad guys are feeling pretty damn free to move about the cabin. And
00:27:33.020
if you live in Arizona or Tennessee or Montana, that creates an awful lot more risk to your kids
00:27:38.160
and grandkids. Uh, is China the risk? I think it is. And, um, is it, uh, how much of a role does
00:27:48.240
the business dealings of the Biden administration or Biden and his family have to do with giving
00:27:58.400
Boy, I don't know if that's the motivation for their failure to confront this greatest threat
00:28:03.520
to the United States, the Chinese communist party. It could be, we should get to the bottom
00:28:07.120
of everything that's on that laptop and figure out where the leverage might be from the Chinese
00:28:11.740
communist party. I'm not just, not just president Biden, but lots of folks in his administration
00:28:16.340
were doing lots of business in China before they came into office. I mean, Mitch McConnell
00:28:21.160
is a big one too. Mitch McConnell, totally not partisan. Get this right for America. This
00:28:28.280
isn't about these and ours or, you know, putting on the yellow helmet or the blue helmet. This
00:28:32.480
is protecting the United States. And they're inside our institutions all across America.
00:28:38.220
It's at our universities. I've had a massive spy operation being run out of the consulate
00:28:42.720
in Houston, Texas that I shut down and we just, we'd let it go on for years.
00:28:46.340
When, if we get a chance to do the podcast, I'd love to spend more time because
00:28:49.560
my fear from the Chinese communist party, isn't about something that might happen in Taiwan or
00:28:54.520
Japan or Vietnam here. It's what's happening inside the gates here. And every American should
00:28:59.740
be aware of it and we should protect ourselves and we can, and we can be successful. And I believe
00:29:04.600
we will. I see no evidence this president's prepared to do that.
00:29:08.280
Well, Mike, I appreciate your time and we will all in my office reach out to yours today. And
00:29:13.280
let's book some, some time on a podcast because we'll make it happen.
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A lot of information. Thank you so much. God bless.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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I'm doing great. And it's an honor to be on the phone with the most well-preserved 37 year
00:29:41.200
You know, Mike, I, uh, I, I wanted to invite you to my party this weekend, but I, you know,
00:29:47.000
last time you came, the neighbors called, uh, I called you 37. That's a compliment.
00:29:52.520
Uh, so Mike, uh, this week has been really, it taught me something. Um, I don't, in the end,
00:30:03.480
I don't believe the Seymour Hersh article. He's got only one source and he's got a reputation of,
00:30:10.440
of, you know, making things up and really only respected by, you know, the far, far left. Um,
00:30:17.740
but I don't know. And it, uh, disturbs me that I couldn't out of hand reject that as a nonsense
00:30:28.440
idea. You feel the same way. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. I have the same reaction. That's why
00:30:34.320
when I, um, tweeted it out, I said, if, if false slanderous, if true war, that's the part that's
00:30:41.400
troubling. Now, since then I've had the opportunity to talk to a number of my colleagues, colleagues who
00:30:45.660
have, uh, delved deeply into some classified matters, um, across the board and, um, a number
00:30:53.620
of, uh, all of them who expressed an opinion on it, um, have said that they believe it to be false.
00:31:00.220
I've asked for a classified briefing on it. It may take a few days for me to get that set up,
00:31:05.400
but what this does do is it tees up some questions. Okay. Hang on just a second. Hang on. When they
00:31:10.340
said, before you go there, let me ask you, let me clarify. They said they don't think it's true,
00:31:14.960
or they said it's not true. They said it's not true. Okay. Good. They affirmatively believe it
00:31:20.700
to be false. Those who expressed an opinion, not all of them, uh, had, um, had had enough
00:31:26.720
information, uh, to, to really speak to it. But those that did, uh, uniformly said, yeah, this isn't
00:31:33.660
true. And, and I have reasons for it, uh, to believe that it's not true. Okay. But here are some
00:31:39.480
things that, that, that kind of linger. Um, first of all, does president Biden and does the, um,
00:31:46.440
executive branch of government generally in and out of Republican and democratic administrations,
00:31:51.420
does it believe that it's got the authority to undertake this kind of hostile action
00:31:55.000
without informing Congress? This is what was so troubling about it is it described in great detail
00:32:00.380
how one would go about it. If they wanted to engage in a clandestine military operation,
00:32:06.140
one that could somehow bypass not only, uh, a constitutional requirement for a declaration
00:32:11.940
of war or an AUMF, but even notifying congressional leaders. Right. You have a, explain this, Mike,
00:32:19.520
there is a gang of eight, which is, uh, the represents the Senate and the house, uh, both Intel committees,
00:32:28.100
right. And you, that those eight people are read in at the highest level of anything like this,
00:32:37.600
but this article from Seymour Hearst said, yeah, we can go around that easily and, and laid it out
00:32:45.340
in great detail. Have you done any work on that to see if that's even possible? Yeah. So there,
00:32:52.640
there are theoretically ways in which they could avoid that. And if they did, the geopolitical
00:32:59.960
consequences would be enormous. Enormous. If in fact, if in fact this attack was designed to force
00:33:06.360
Europe to end its reliance on Russian, Russian natural gas, you know, in order to secure support
00:33:11.740
for the effort against Russia in Ukraine, if they in fact did that, then these consequences would be
00:33:18.760
enormous. This would be not only a direct attack on Russia, but also an act of hostility that has
00:33:25.420
massive impacts on Germany, on France, spillover ramifications, really all over Europe, whole world.
00:33:31.200
We're talking about millions of Europeans who've had gas supply affected by this disruption. So if this
00:33:38.180
report were true, uh, uh, uh, then it'd be incredibly troubling to say the least. I'll tell you, Mike,
00:33:46.400
there there's, we have, we have seen things in the past that our government did that they did in
00:33:52.700
secret and we, we didn't know. And when we find out, we correct it, um, or at least try to, but
00:33:59.460
this one to me is different than anything I've seen in history because as this came out and I first read
00:34:06.380
it, I thought to myself, good Lord, if this is true, our children are going to be fighting a war
00:34:12.760
that none of us had any idea or any participation in any of this stuff. It's a group of people who
00:34:21.400
have decided they know best and they're committing us to war. That is, that is so un-American. So
00:34:29.540
against, I mean, it felt like, you know what? I, I would rather have our military go in and march up
00:34:35.700
and get those guys that did all of this and try them than go fight Russia. Cause I would kind of agree
00:34:41.420
with Russia. We shouldn't have done that. No, that's, that's exactly right. And regardless of
00:34:49.360
how this happened or whether any of this happened at all, um, I, I really would like to know who did
00:34:56.540
it because it's not just anyone who can go out into the ocean and go deep down, uh, into the ocean
00:35:04.980
and sever multiple pipelines, uh, uh, and then set it up in such a way that you're not anywhere near
00:35:13.500
the blast zone, uh, when the event finally takes off. Have you talked to anybody? Have you talked to
00:35:20.880
anybody who knows how many nations could pull something like that off? Yeah, I've talked to a
00:35:27.280
handful of colleagues who have said, uh, that, you know, they can think of some that could have done
00:35:33.980
it. And, um, it's not something we can talk about outside of a classified environment, but that's part
00:35:39.440
of why I've requested this briefing. Okay. And is it, but there are some, some other suspects that
00:35:47.000
would make sense? I, I, I don't know. I don't know that I can make sense of it before I know
00:35:53.460
who it is who could even technologically speaking, pull it off. So I just had Mike Pompeo on and he
00:36:00.060
said that he thought it was Russia to drive up the price of oil. Yeah. Okay. So that, that one is
00:36:06.540
really hard for me to accept. Remember Glenn, Russia is pulling in or has been pulling in a billion
00:36:16.040
dollars a day in natural gas revenue, natural gas revenue that it's selling to Europe.
00:36:23.460
I believe Germany alone sends them money, uh, uh, uh, along the lines of about a billion dollars a
00:36:31.760
day for their natural gas to bite the hand that feeds in so prominent and severe away. It doesn't
00:36:39.260
really add up, but you never know, uh, for Russia can do some weird stuff. That one seems to be
00:36:47.320
stretching the imagination a little, um, Mike, on the same day that this came out about two hours
00:36:53.260
later, there was a report, uh, from CNN that had security insiders that, uh, uh, found out that
00:37:02.140
we had evidence that Vladimir Putin shot down, uh, the Malaysian airliner and that it, it was the
00:37:11.460
missiles came from Russia and that it was tracked to him, uh, saying that they were going to shoot,
00:37:18.280
shoot this down. Uh, I found the timing to be extraordinary. Russia comes out with a story
00:37:25.540
or Seymour Hearst comes out with a story that we did an act of war and two hours later,
00:37:31.620
well, lo and behold, here is Vladimir Putin, uh, committing an act of war. Is that a coincidence?
00:37:39.300
Uh, um, one, one, one could argue that it is not, but Vladimir Putin is an evil man. Oh yeah,
00:37:46.460
I know that. He's a megalomaniac. He is, uh, uh, one who has genocidal ambitions and, um, his
00:37:56.600
ambitions, no, no boundaries. And so I, I wouldn't put anything past it. When you look at what, um,
00:38:03.500
uh, England is doing training pilots now, uh, in Ukraine, that's clearly, um, the next step to
00:38:13.140
receiving planes for them to fly. Are you concerned at all about the equipment and everything that we're
00:38:21.540
sending over, uh, that at some point, I mean, I know I would really at this point, if I was in Russia's
00:38:29.820
shoes, I'd be like, what? I mean, you know, who we're really fighting. It's not the Ukrainians. It's the
00:38:36.800
West. Look at what they're doing. So is there a point that is a breaking point where, where people like you
00:38:44.660
will stand up? And I know you have already spoken out about a lot of this stuff, but where you're like
00:38:49.060
no more, this is it. This is insane. Yeah. Look, um, I believe that we have to tread, especially carefully
00:38:58.940
when approaching a nuclear armed near peer geopolitical adversary, which Russia is. And I
00:39:06.000
believe that, um, while these are questions of degree and, uh, many people will focus on the
00:39:11.860
difference between defensive weapons and assistance and non-defensive. I think if we take one step
00:39:20.340
further, we will have obliterated any distinction. And I think if we're going to take one step further
00:39:26.500
in that direction, we need to have an authorization for the use of military force or a declaration of
00:39:31.700
war. If it's one thing, we're going to get involved in a war with Russia. I don't want that at all to
00:39:38.060
be sure, but if America is going to consider that it needs to have elected representatives in Congress
00:39:43.080
making that decision and not just have it made sort of sideways through appropriations for funding
00:39:48.640
and bold statements by our executive. I mean, that's why, um, England was in so much trouble by the
00:39:53.860
time we entered world war, uh, two Congress had blocked any of the sales of stuff. I mean,
00:39:58.880
it had to go through Congress. Uh, Mike, when the president, uh, the state of the union was talking
00:40:05.340
about, you know, defunding social security, I love the look on your face. The camera book got to you
00:40:11.800
and you were just dumbfounded. You were like, what the, what is going on here tonight? Uh, first of all,
00:40:19.260
do you have any comment on, on the speech and how you were feeling that night?
00:40:24.280
Yeah, I was done. Look, it was my 13th state of the union that I've attended since
00:40:29.040
I've been at the United States Senate and I've never seen such
00:40:37.600
Also it spewed from the president of the United States. He sat there and accused Republicans
00:40:42.040
claimed quite falsely that Republicans were saying that they were going to mess with social security
00:40:47.920
in their, in our negotiations over conditions for raising the debt to him. It's just false.
00:40:53.960
It is categorically false. And he sat there and said that in front of us, then looked stunned
00:40:59.820
that we took exception to it. And then after that, uh, the next day gave speeches and sent out tweets,
00:41:06.820
uh, tried to make us look like hypocrites, but still demonstrating that he doesn't understand
00:41:11.900
what he's dealing with. He doesn't even understand the facts that he's trying to raise.
00:41:16.460
Right. And so one of the things that they sent out was a clip of you. We have the clip. Uh,
00:41:28.160
that you probably haven't ever heard from a politician. It will be my objective to phase
00:41:36.140
out social security to pull it up by the roots and get rid of it.
00:41:42.240
People who advise me politically always tell me that's dangerous. And I tell them in that case,
00:41:48.100
I said to my wife, when I heard that she said, Oh my gosh, I can't believe they're saying this
00:41:52.840
about social security. And I said, yeah, I know. Cause if that was really what the Republicans were
00:41:56.940
doing, I'd want to vote for them. Uh, but we have to take on social security, but that doesn't mean
00:42:04.720
leaving old people without any kind of, uh, uh, fulfillment of the promise. Can you explain this
00:42:11.100
clip? Yes, absolutely. First of all, through programs like that, through social security in
00:42:18.260
particular, the government has created a program. They promised people back in the thirties when they
00:42:22.680
created it. This will be your money, your account, your retirement. We can't, we won't touch it because
00:42:27.600
it's your money. It was absolutely false. They were lying. They've been lying for decades.
00:42:32.420
They've been stealing, plundering this social security trust fund. They do it all the time.
00:42:38.140
They've done it even just in the year since I've been in the Senate. So what I was channeling there
00:42:43.040
was the fact that social security, as it's been set up, as it's been managed, has really hurt people.
00:42:50.260
And it's been an act of deception. What the president of course didn't play, uh, and, and,
00:42:57.000
and what you didn't play was the rest of the sentence, the rest of that communication and any
00:43:02.060
other that I've ever had, which was where I said, we of course have to honor the promises of people
00:43:07.700
who have paid into this thing. You can't just leave them hanging, having been promised. Uh, in other
00:43:13.660
words, it's a long-term objective, one that would take decades to complete because you do have to
00:43:18.940
honor those promises. But social security, as we know it, as it's been raided and plundered,
00:43:24.500
has been used as a tool to take money from Americans to provide this little slush fund piggy bank
00:43:29.980
for Congress to raid whenever it wants to, to mismanage and to distribute to other pet
00:43:37.640
I have to tell you, I'm, I'm, uh, 59. So I'm just, you know, a few years away from social security.
00:43:43.560
I've known my whole life. Pardon me? Yeah, I know. Right. Thank you. Uh, uh, I've known my whole
00:43:52.760
life. Social security is going to collapse. So I haven't counted on it. Now I'm in a situation
00:43:57.760
where I don't have to count on it, but if they would have invested my money, I started working when I was
00:44:03.480
eight. Uh, and I started getting an official paycheck when I was 13. So I've been paying into
00:44:09.760
social security for many years. If my money would have been invested and would have been in stocks,
00:44:17.020
I can't tell you how wealthy I would be today. And that's really what they promised us they were going
00:44:23.820
to do. And they didn't. So now we can't pay for anything, but there does come a time. There's not
00:44:30.520
anybody my age that hasn't heard this from the beginning. I was in high school. I heard it from
00:44:35.620
Reagan. I mean, we've known it's not going to last. There comes a time when you have to say, guys,
00:44:42.260
we're going to finish the generation that really needs it right now, but we, we've got to, we got
00:44:49.400
to shut the taps down. We're going to do it slowly, methodically, and with lots of time, but we got to
00:44:55.080
shut this off. And I, I commend you for that, Mike. I commend you. Thank you. In all my 12 years
00:45:01.700
in the Senate, I've never proposed abolishing those benefits. Of course not. Instead, look for
00:45:06.000
ways to make them sustainable and shame on the president for lying about this. Wow. He actually
00:45:10.420
used it. He actually used the lying word. Mike is so temperate in everything. Mistruths. But, uh,
00:45:17.880
thank you, Mike. God, God bless you. I love you very much. Thank you. Bye-bye. Thank you. He is such
00:45:23.440
a, he's such a radical, isn't he? Mistruths. Did anybody notice that the first time he couldn't
00:45:31.120
bring himself to say lie? He didn't want to go there. And I thought this is the guy that everybody