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00:00:00.000 Hey podcasters, great show for you today. We start in the heart of darkness with Venezuela 1.00

00:00:06.700 and the celebrities that just love Hugo Chavez. Then right into something that has now been

00:00:13.800 deplatformed. I'm sorry, not deplatformed, but got us demonetized. Demonetized on YouTube. And

00:00:22.040 that is for telling you who we believe Congresswoman Omar is. If you have a problem with today's

00:00:29.840 episode, you should listen to tomorrow's podcast. Then had a great conversation about freedom of

00:00:36.060 speech. And what do we do? Do we break up these big social media companies, these tech companies?

00:00:41.760 I don't necessarily agree with that. But what do we do? Because freedom of speech is even hitting

00:00:47.700 you. They're starting to curtail your speech. And I got a letter in from a listener yesterday that I

00:00:54.340 shared with you. And then the hate crime hoax, how the left is selling a fake race war. And of

00:01:02.400 course, we end with Tony Robbins, my visit to him. I'm going to be gone over the next few days. And

00:01:09.320 I'm going to go see Tony Robbins. And he's going to motivate. I'm much more interested in the Ricky

00:01:18.960 Gervais show on Netflix called Afterlife. Really funny. Really funny. Really, really good. Harsh,

00:01:29.860 but really funny. That's all on today's podcast.

00:01:40.540 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:01:52.960 Imagine a darkness, something darker and scarier than the deepest parts of the ocean.

00:01:59.860 Darker than that awful darkness of space. The darkness of night. A house shackled by darkness

00:02:06.760 because there isn't any electricity. And there hasn't been for months. But then again, that's

00:02:12.020 not the dark I'm talking about. The real dark is the dark part that lives inside of you. The

00:02:19.360 things that you now have to do on a daily basis just to stay alive.

00:02:24.320 Around the corner, you hear the bestial shouts from a Caracas jail.

00:02:31.220 The prisoners have taken over. At least that's what you hear. They feel they can do a better job of

00:02:36.520 controlling themselves than whoever has been doing it lately. It was a hundred years ago that this

00:02:42.840 country was lavished in wealth. Not too long ago, you too were rich. You were healthy in that

00:02:50.180 chubby 19th century Russian diplomat way. You ate well. You probably ate too much. Black turtle beans and

00:02:58.080 fried bananas. Asado negro. You drool just thinking of the tender shredded beef and the carrot and oregano 1.00

00:03:05.120 tinged broth. You strode through steakhouses on special occasions. You ate t-bones like a Texan. You

00:03:13.900 drank Chilean wines. Malbec from Argentina. Occasionally a glass of cognac. Not because you were a drunk,

00:03:22.400 but because you could. Because you enjoyed the sprouting goodness that life had to offer. Man,

00:03:27.520 that life, it seemed like it was never going to end. Now look at yourself.

00:03:35.120 You're a bag of bones. Bones jutting out like false teeth at times. You think about all the energy

00:03:43.140 you waste just breathing. What happened? Now you can barely afford a single egg. One egg. Eggs that fall

00:03:56.180 out of the backsides of chickens. And I can't afford it? Your mouth quivers at the thought of a fried egg.

00:04:03.400 Tender. So tender it pops open with just the prod of a fork oozing onto the fried papaya and rotisserie

00:04:09.700 chicken. You've lost 120 pounds since it all started going to hell. And now you're in it firmly.

00:04:20.100 You weren't rich. You weren't rich. You were middle class. Lower middle class even. That's just how good

00:04:27.180 things used to be. Although there was always the cinderblock hovels that you can see from the plane 0.84

00:04:34.280 as you land in Caracas. Now it has spread. The office where you used to work as an accountant is now empty,

00:04:43.240 abandoned, overtaken by squatters, people like you who lost everything, who limp a little more each

00:04:50.420 day toward their death. Men all in black now patrol the streets with shotguns, black bulletproof vest

00:04:58.160 and black tarp-like shirts and black pants, black military boots. People hamper cars in the street

00:05:05.060 because there's nowhere to go. Nothing to do. Gasping a bit, you rest below a crucifix statue,

00:05:15.460 the left tilting head of Christ emblazoned in a soft and sad light, the burnished rise of daylight

00:05:21.780 breathing into a new day. Looking at Christ, perhaps for the first time you understand suffering.

00:05:29.940 You understand his defeated look, the look of hopelessness and violence and death,

00:05:37.300 the hopelessness of surrendering and surrendering until it stops mattering.

00:05:42.500 You hope. You have that one hope left that all things will change. But you really hope that just

00:05:55.220 anything begins to change. It was all so promising at the beginning. Everybody was going to be able to

00:06:04.260 live the high life and now only a handful are and they are the ones that live behind the

00:06:12.260 gates. This, you think to yourself, this is the socialist utopia they promised all of us as Venezuelans.

00:06:24.740 As you sit there under the statue, you begin to replay it all in your mind and wonder,

00:06:32.260 where are all those Americans, those celebrities, those from Hollywood that praised our leaders and

00:06:44.740 helped convince us that this was the road to prosperity?

00:06:52.500 I wonder what they're eating tonight.

00:06:55.620 I have a feeling they're eating very well.

00:07:02.820 This is the hypocrisy.

00:07:06.580 This is why the media is an enemy of the people.

00:07:13.220 Not because, not because they're against Donald Trump or anything else, but because they will

00:07:20.100 not tell you the truth.

00:07:23.940 Where are the big long specials on Venezuela and how it all happened?

00:07:30.500 Where are the demands for the apologies from those who brought this socialism to Venezuela?

00:07:36.900 I can tell you right now that if a capitalist country would implode and you had the very rich and the

00:07:44.980 very elite of this grotesque capitalist system, living the high life, taking the gold from the country,

00:07:54.500 currently holding it hostage, forcing people to starve, fixing elections.

00:08:00.340 I can guarantee you CNN would be there 24-7.

00:08:06.020 They would be talking about it nonstop and saying this is why we need socialism.

00:08:11.380 But where is the media today?

00:08:15.780 Where are the leaders today that will actually stand up and say, wait a minute, hold it.

00:08:24.740 We're all talking about socialism.

00:08:27.060 Can we stop and look at what socialism has done?

00:08:34.100 Can we just stop and ask a few people?

00:08:37.540 Hey, Sean Penn, do you remember when you said this?

00:08:42.500 He is one of the most important forces we've had on this planet.

00:08:51.140 And I will wish him nothing but that great strength he's shown over and over again.

00:08:58.020 I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.

00:09:08.260 I just want to say that from my very American point of view,

00:09:14.420 I want to say that from my very American point of view,

00:09:17.620 of my friend, President Chávez,

00:09:20.020 of my friend, President Chávez,

00:09:22.340 it is only possible

00:09:25.380 to be so inspiring as he is,

00:09:28.900 as a two-way street.

00:09:33.380 It is only possible

00:09:35.460 to be so inspiring as he is, as a two-way street.

00:09:39.380 And he would say that his inspiration is the people.

00:09:45.140 Hugo Chávez.

00:09:50.020 Praise after the death of Hugo Chávez.

00:09:54.820 Praise for the new bus driver,

00:09:58.340 Maduro, who was one of the people

00:10:00.980 who will be democratically elected.

00:10:04.660 And he will continue this proud, proud tradition of Chávez.

00:10:10.980 They will feed you a lie of fiction now.

00:10:14.820 That Chávez was doing it right.

00:10:17.060 It was Maduro.

00:10:19.140 Well, that falls apart in two places.

00:10:21.940 One, the economy was already falling apart.

00:10:25.460 Everything was falling into disrepair at the end of Hugo Chávez.

00:10:30.260 And my greater point here is,

00:10:33.780 this is democratic socialism.

00:10:37.380 You're going to elect somebody.

00:10:38.740 He's going to be the greatest.

00:10:40.740 He's going to be Barack Obama.

00:10:43.140 He gave us Obamacare.

00:10:45.620 And as it starts to fall apart,

00:10:48.580 the democratically elected successor

00:10:51.780 has to pick up the pieces.

00:10:53.780 And at some point, it gets so bad

00:10:57.140 that one of these successors

00:11:00.420 just has to stop the elections.

00:11:03.300 They just have to stop these people

00:11:05.620 because it's the people who are complaining

00:11:07.940 that are causing all the problems.

00:11:09.620 Where is Danny Glover today?

00:11:14.820 Has anyone seen Danny Glover?

00:11:16.740 Is he on television being asked,

00:11:19.220 Hey, how are you feeling about Venezuela now?

00:11:22.100 Because you were a big supporter

00:11:23.540 when you said things like this.

00:11:25.540 Well, first of all, I consider

00:11:28.260 the president, Hugo Chávez, my friend.

00:11:30.980 And certainly an ally about the things

00:11:34.340 that I talk about in the world

00:11:35.860 and that he talks about in the world.

00:11:37.380 I want to talk preciously about the country

00:11:40.180 that people often consider me a descendant of

00:11:43.620 and from Haiti.

00:11:45.220 Haiti is something very special to me.

00:11:47.140 And so when I talked to the president about Haiti,

00:11:50.020 he understood there was a fundamental relationship

00:11:52.580 that Latin America, and particularly Venezuela,

00:11:56.420 and the Bolivarian Revolution had to Haiti.

00:11:59.380 Haiti, otherwise known as Haiti.

00:12:02.740 Danny Glover will say,

00:12:04.980 Well, I was talking about Chávez,

00:12:08.900 but here he is in 2014,

00:12:10.740 giving a speech next to Maduro,

00:12:14.260 supporting Maduro.

00:12:15.460 I am so proud to be with you.

00:12:17.540 I am so proud to be with you.

00:12:21.460 As we commemorate and celebrate

00:12:24.980 a true man of the people,

00:12:29.220 Hugo Chávez.

00:12:32.980 His memory lives with us.

00:12:41.060 Through the work that you do

00:12:45.300 as citizens of this great nation,

00:12:49.460 as you continue to realize his vision

00:12:53.940 of a participatory democracy,

00:12:57.220 one involving all citizens,

00:12:59.220 in contact with his elected leaders,

00:13:11.140 who are the stewards of this democracy.

00:13:14.420 It is a task that is very difficult,

00:13:28.420 but a task that you are up to.

00:13:31.860 It is a task with many challenges,

00:13:43.460 but he knows that you will continue the fight

00:13:47.620 that he gave his last breath for,

00:13:50.980 a free, democratic,

00:13:55.060 self-determining Venezuela.

00:13:57.700 That's fantastic.

00:13:59.860 If any of it were true,

00:14:01.540 as he had his arm around Nicolas Maduro,

00:14:04.820 as he was saying it.

00:14:06.100 If you think that the socialists

00:14:10.180 really believe in a self-determining

00:14:14.740 group of people,

00:14:15.780 an exchange of ideas,

00:14:17.300 then why are they silencing so many people today

00:14:21.780 in America?

00:14:24.420 Don't you see?

00:14:25.860 This is...

00:14:26.820 They don't show up in black boots.

00:14:29.300 They don't show up in scary uniforms.

00:14:34.500 Germany, they showed up in those black uniforms,

00:14:38.020 but those weren't scary at the time.

00:14:40.020 Those were sharp uniforms.

00:14:42.420 They were designed by Hugo Boss.

00:14:46.500 They instilled confidence in the people.

00:14:48.500 They thought,

00:14:48.900 oh wow, look at them.

00:14:50.020 I want to be a part of that.

00:14:52.180 Now, only now,

00:14:53.700 do you know what they really mean.

00:14:56.180 And now those uniforms are frightening.

00:14:58.580 They show up as friends.

00:15:01.060 As Ronald Reagan said,

00:15:02.180 I'm from the government.

00:15:03.700 I'm here to help.

00:15:04.820 The most frightening words anybody has ever spoken.

00:15:08.020 If they truly are going to create a utopia

00:15:13.860 where all of us can express ourselves,

00:15:17.300 then why are they silencing us today?

00:15:21.300 Why is that Noam Chomsky?

00:15:23.620 Why is that Oliver Stone,

00:15:25.780 Danny Glover, Sean Penn?

00:15:28.740 You all should be held accountable

00:15:31.220 for what you said.

00:15:34.020 And I know you're going to have an excuse.

00:15:35.620 Well, they just didn't do it right in Venezuela.

00:15:38.020 They never do it right.

00:15:43.540 Shame on you, Hollywood. 1.00

00:15:45.780 And shame on you, American press.

00:15:49.860 Where are you as people languish in the dark 0.99

00:15:53.940 and starve?

00:15:57.940 The best of the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:16:13.620 Here's this freshman congresswoman 0.95

00:16:16.020 that no one is willing to look into.

00:16:18.980 There is a, there's an electric fence around here.

00:16:22.580 You cannot talk about her.

00:16:24.740 But when I, when I said to my staff, I want to really look into her and I want to see,

00:16:30.260 tell, tell me who she is. 0.99

00:16:31.220 Tell me where she came from, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:33.300 We started uncovering things that are just beyond description strange.

00:16:40.900 There are multiple, multiple suspicious stories that the media has granted her a pass and they

00:16:49.220 would never grant this pass to anyone.

00:16:52.420 I mean, even the average Democrat would not get away with these things.

00:16:57.380 So I want to talk to you a little bit about, um, about her and, and where she came from today.

00:17:04.900 We'll talk about her anti-Semitism and the heart of that on tomorrow's episode at this time.

00:17:11.060 Now, the first stories that started to come out to question her came out from online bloggers back in 2016.

00:17:18.740 Normally, I wouldn't go to an online blogger and say, Hey, look at what this online blogger did.

00:17:24.960 However, when you have no media, sometimes the online bloggers, if you check them out, have something and they have checked this out.

00:17:34.640 Back in 2016, Ilhan Omar had committed immigration fraud.

00:17:39.860 This was the charge that she had committed immigration fraud by marrying her brother to facilitate his arrival in the United States.

00:17:50.900 Okay.

00:17:51.680 All right.

00:17:54.260 If it was from a blogger, I would, I would look into it, but it doesn't help that, you know, it's like, okay, really?

00:18:01.100 So she set, um, her, um, social media platforms to private immediately after that story broke and then deleted all of the alleged evidence that was used to prove the immigration fraud case.

00:18:17.520 It was all up on her social media.

00:18:20.000 And as soon as that came out, delete.

00:18:23.940 Okay.

00:18:25.340 Sounds suspicious, but the mainstream media wouldn't touch it.

00:18:29.220 Not even the local Minnesota media would touch it.

00:18:32.680 And you'll understand why by the end of this episode tomorrow, the Associated Press actually took this on.

00:18:41.140 They were the only outlet, the Associated Press, not a slum out vet and currently, uh, not a conservative outlet to say the least.

00:18:49.840 But when they asked Omar what was going on, she just said, quote, I choose not to further the narrative of those who oppose us.

00:18:57.640 End quote.

00:18:58.220 Okay, well, I assume that you're saying that those are all lies, but it would be easy to prove them.

00:19:04.680 So the AP asked Omar for her immigration records and birth certificates that would prove her denial.

00:19:11.200 Now, when I first saw this, I was like, oh, geez, a birth certificate thing.

00:19:14.100 There was nothing with the Obama birth certificate.

00:19:16.220 Can we stop with the birth certificates?

00:19:17.980 And the fact that she said that her family's birth certificates were lost during the Somali Civil War, something that probably did happen and was true. 1.00

00:19:29.240 So you're not going to base it on birth records.

00:19:32.300 However, the immigration records, the things that should be open, you shouldn't have a problem with this at all.

00:19:39.380 She refused to offer any of those up.

00:19:41.540 And a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by the Associated Press was sent back, explaining the approval of the release had to be authorized by Omar and her husband, and they won't sign off.

00:19:53.820 Now, even Snopes, who's not really in the Donald Trump camp, classifying this not as true or false, but unproven.

00:20:03.180 So let's recap.

00:20:04.700 We have a credible case of immigration fraud by a U.S. representative, and the alleged perpetrator has deleted the visual evidence.

00:20:14.100 She refuses to provide any evidence, the person who is, you know, under the microscope.

00:20:20.240 She's gone radio silent on this issue ever since, and no one is looking into it.

00:20:25.960 Okay, I mean, you'd think that someone would, you know, at the New York Times or Washington Post at least be curious.

00:20:33.820 Why wouldn't the government open a probe?

00:20:36.200 The Associated Press, according to the Associated Press, the Obama administration never started an investigation, and the Trump administration hasn't started an investigation.

00:20:47.580 Okay, what else you got?

00:20:51.840 Well, there's also evidence that Ilhan Omar committed perjury in court.

00:20:56.520 Now, this is where it starts to fall into place.

00:20:59.600 When she filed for a divorce from her possible brother in 2017, Omar claimed that she hadn't seen or made contact with her husband since 2011.

00:21:14.040 She said, I don't even know where my husband is or where he was.

00:21:18.340 It's possible he was somewhere in London.

00:21:20.940 Well, PJ Media went to the Minnesota Family Records Center, and they verified that Omar officially submitted to the court that her last contact with her husband was June 2011.

00:21:38.120 So remember this.

00:21:39.560 She said, I haven't seen him since June 2011, and that's in her divorce records.

00:21:45.400 So in the absence of any journalist doing any work on this at all, the Internet sleuths had to go to work, and they searched Omar's husband's last known location, which was London, right?

00:22:01.100 She said, I haven't seen him, probably in London.

00:22:03.780 So they searched to see if Omar had traveled there between 2011 and 2016.

00:22:08.980 Oops, they found some photos on social media, taken in London back in 2014.

00:22:18.460 The picture is up on the screen now if you happen to be watching.

00:22:22.660 It is taken in 2014.

00:22:25.380 That's Elian Omar and her ex-husband or brother or whatever.

00:22:33.600 So isn't that a pretty strong case for perjury?

00:22:37.380 A case for law enforcement at least to investigate the mainstream media to do some kind of looking into this.

00:22:45.500 Give credit to the Associated Press.

00:22:47.560 They're the only ones that at least ask Omar about this discrepancy, and she refused to address the situation.

00:22:55.900 And Omar's husband, ex-husband, has declined any kind of response either.

00:23:02.020 And by the way, the pictures, yeah, they're mysteriously been deleted.

00:23:05.920 Now, there's one other thing.

00:23:09.660 Omar has been accused by State Representative Steve Drakowski of not one but three campaign finance and ethics violations.

00:23:19.940 The first allegation involves the use of $3,000 in campaign money that was spent on travel to Estonia and Boston.

00:23:27.340 Now, Drakowski claims that these trips were personal in nature.

00:23:32.920 And her response?

00:23:34.560 It should be concerning to his constituents that he's using taxpayer dollars to harass a Muslim candidate.

00:23:40.660 So, in other words, her defense is, I'm a Muslim.

00:23:43.900 The second allegation is that Omar used over $2,000 in campaign finance to pay her lawyer for her divorce proceedings.

00:23:52.060 Omar's response was basically, no, no, it was for something else.

00:23:56.920 And no other explanation has been given.

00:24:00.760 The third allegation is that she made ethics violations after accepting speaker fees from public colleges.

00:24:09.100 Omar would later pay that money back.

00:24:12.000 But, no apology?

00:24:14.300 No, instead, we got this.

00:24:17.500 We recognize how these folks are deeply invested in stopping a progressive, black, Muslim, hijab-wearing, immigrant woman.

00:24:26.120 Boy, intersectionality is working for her.

00:24:29.060 We know these people are part of systems that have historically been disturbingly motivated to silence and discredit and dehumanize influencers who threaten the establishment.

00:24:39.240 Now, it's really interesting that she would use dehumanize. 0.98

00:24:45.880 What does that mean?

00:24:48.220 These disturbingly, what did she call them?

00:24:53.400 Disturbingly motivated to discredit and silence and to dehumanize influencers.

00:25:00.700 Let me see if I can explain to Omar what dehumanizing actually looks like from an interview in a hallway that she denies that's what she was saying until she released the video herself, apparently not listening to it, and realized, oh, crap, that's exactly what I said and deleted it.

00:25:24.120 Here's the audio.

00:25:25.360 Listen.

00:25:25.600 Could you just set the record straight so we get your side of it?

00:25:28.840 Do you think that President Obama is the same as President Obama?

00:25:31.340 Absolutely not.

00:25:32.380 That is silly to even think and equate the two.

00:25:36.400 One is human, the other is really not.

00:25:37.780 Is it true that you just think...

00:25:39.380 One is human.

00:25:41.100 One is clearly not.

00:25:44.460 Hmm.

00:25:46.500 Omar, I don't know how they do things in Somalia, 1.00

00:25:50.300 but that is the dictionary definition of dehumanizing someone.

00:25:58.960 To claim one is a person, and because I disagree with him, the other one is not.

00:26:07.160 But what is her real story?

00:26:10.700 Where did she come from?

00:26:12.420 How has she been educated?

00:26:14.580 Who are her friends?

00:26:16.380 Who was in her office last week, just as the Democrats decided to change and say,

00:26:25.660 no, no, no, what we're going to say is it's anti-Semitism.

00:26:29.900 It won't be related to her.

00:26:31.920 Anti-Semitism, but also anti-Muslim.

00:26:37.080 Who was in her office as that decision was being made?

00:26:41.300 On tomorrow's episode.

00:26:44.020 It's also on YouTube.

00:26:45.560 You can watch it.

00:26:47.040 We didn't make any money off it.

00:26:49.220 Why get paid for your work?

00:26:51.960 We were demonetized yesterday because of this monologue.

00:26:57.300 Again, an effort to silence us.

00:26:59.860 You can watch it there.

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00:27:21.900 Hey, it's Glenn, and if you like what you hear on the program,

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00:27:41.940 Jeff G.C. is online with us.

00:27:45.040 He has put a bunch of comments out on Twitter

00:27:53.980 that I thought was interesting, a Twitter thread.

00:27:56.940 I'd like to elevate the way we talk about censorship issues.

00:28:00.460 Let me offer a few quick thoughts on language around these issues,

00:28:04.440 how I'm currently thinking about them.

00:28:05.940 We thought we would get him on and have him lay it out for us.

00:28:09.160 Hello, Jeff.

00:28:09.620 How are you?

00:28:10.920 Hey, Glenn.

00:28:11.460 How are you?

00:28:12.260 I'm good.

00:28:13.120 I'm good.

00:28:13.600 Tell me, can you guide us through at all a logical way

00:28:20.120 that we can have freedom of speech, companies can be themselves

00:28:27.940 and, you know, do what they feel is right while still having freedom of speech

00:28:33.500 and getting the government out of bed with these people?

00:28:36.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:37.940 So let's try to frame the discussion.

00:28:40.340 I mean, first, we all care about freedom here, right?

00:28:42.860 We want to live in a free society.

00:28:45.380 The question is, what does it mean to live in a free society

00:28:48.720 when there are these incredibly powerful tech companies

00:28:52.000 and global services that have a ton of market share

00:28:54.940 and that, you know, conceivably can kind of kick you off for any reason?

00:28:58.880 Right.

00:28:59.000 So that's what I'm wrestling with.

00:29:01.580 I kind of come at this with this freedom, libertarian type orientation,

00:29:05.420 but I recognize that the issues get a lot more complicated in this era.

00:29:10.460 And so I've been trying to elevate the way we talk about these issues

00:29:14.560 and just advance this dialogue because I think it's incredibly important to the future.

00:29:18.160 So I'm really grateful to be on your show to talk about it.

00:29:21.080 No, I really appreciate it.

00:29:22.960 We do not have serious discussions on this.

00:29:27.100 We have a bunch of politicians throwing things back and forth,

00:29:29.940 and people are just, I think, on this issue, they just,

00:29:34.320 they become outraged by it, and then they don't know what to do,

00:29:37.880 so they just hook their wagon to some politician.

00:29:41.360 And I don't think we're having a serious discussion about this in society.

00:29:46.420 So where do we begin?

00:29:48.560 Right.

00:29:49.200 Well, I think, I mean, I think it begins with talking about it

00:29:52.120 and trying to wrap our heads around it

00:29:54.120 and understand what are the right questions to ask.

00:29:57.500 And I think, you know, we've heard about,

00:29:59.700 just to kind of poke at you a little bit,

00:30:01.240 I mean, we've all heard about the Chinese social credit system

00:30:04.780 where they're monitoring its citizens,

00:30:07.060 and if the citizens don't behave properly,

00:30:09.780 they'll get damaris,

00:30:11.540 and they won't be able to take the train and stuff like that.

00:30:14.100 Well, in our society, a privatized version of totalitarianism

00:30:18.560 is still totalitarianism.

00:30:20.480 Like, in some sense, we're evolving this American social credit system.

00:30:25.680 Hang on, just a sec.

00:30:27.100 When you say poke at me, you don't think I disagree,

00:30:29.400 because I think China is building 1984.

00:30:32.900 We're building Brave New World.

00:30:34.640 It's the same thing.

00:30:36.260 Exactly.

00:30:36.920 It's just privatized.

00:30:37.960 So maybe we don't disagree.

00:30:38.960 So I talk to my friends who are passionate Christians,

00:30:43.960 and they care a lot about religious freedom,

00:30:46.220 and I generally support them.

00:30:48.040 I happen to be a gay guy,

00:30:50.200 but, like, if Masterpiece doesn't want to sell me a cake

00:30:53.700 for my fabulous wedding, that's no big deal.

00:30:56.480 I can go to a different bake shop.

00:30:57.820 Right, right.

00:30:58.420 But if Amazon bans me from selling my books on Amazon

00:31:02.640 for whatever reason, that's really devastating.

00:31:05.040 Correct.

00:31:06.200 However, there is, and I agree with you,

00:31:10.320 but that's where the discussion needs to be.

00:31:12.780 They're a private company,

00:31:14.360 but they're still a massive private company.

00:31:17.540 So I agree with you 100%.

00:31:19.340 We have to talk about that.

00:31:20.440 But how do you balance the libertarian,

00:31:23.220 you know, hey, it's still a private company with...

00:31:27.040 So in my eyes, it comes down to market share

00:31:30.160 and consumer choice.

00:31:31.380 And I think, like, in the case of Christians, 0.99

00:31:34.400 I ask them, what's going to happen

00:31:36.780 when the SPLC labels you a Christian extremist

00:31:40.340 because you don't like gay marriage,

00:31:42.600 you don't support gay marriage, 0.58

00:31:43.780 which in my book is fine.

00:31:44.840 Like, I can respect that.

00:31:45.880 Right.

00:31:46.340 But what's going to happen

00:31:47.360 when you refuse to bake my cake

00:31:49.120 and then you get banned from Uber?

00:31:51.780 Right?

00:31:52.540 Right.

00:31:53.300 What's going to happen?

00:31:54.160 Like, those are two very different things.

00:31:55.940 So for me, a lot of the discussion

00:31:57.980 comes down to consumer choice.

00:31:59.840 If there's a service

00:32:02.020 that has a ton of market share,

00:32:04.060 like Amazon just dominates book distribution,

00:32:07.540 Uber dominates ride sharing,

00:32:10.640 that is a different...

00:32:11.720 That's a different phenomenon.

00:32:13.340 Or PayPal dominates online payments.

00:32:15.960 That's a different dynamic

00:32:17.140 than if I have lots of choices

00:32:18.880 in the marketplace

00:32:19.660 and there are, like, five bakeries in town

00:32:21.600 and this one doesn't want to make me

00:32:24.060 a fabulous cake,

00:32:24.940 so I'll just go to a different one.

00:32:26.180 So I think that's one element

00:32:28.820 for us to think about.

00:32:30.900 I think another element is...

00:32:32.360 And how do we solve that?

00:32:34.700 Two ways.

00:32:35.580 One is, I think,

00:32:37.560 having a broader conversation

00:32:39.060 about political discrimination

00:32:41.080 and religious discrimination

00:32:42.980 in the commercial landscape

00:32:45.440 because we want to balance

00:32:46.840 the ability for businesses

00:32:48.540 to choose their customers

00:32:49.640 because that's part of their freedom

00:32:50.880 on the one hand.

00:32:52.100 And yet, on the other hand,

00:32:53.340 I think recognizing that

00:32:54.640 with global services

00:32:56.500 that have a ton of market share,

00:32:58.240 like, maybe that's not okay.

00:33:01.080 So...

00:33:01.520 Like, should they be able

00:33:02.520 to ban me from wearing a MAGA hat

00:33:04.500 and go to...

00:33:06.120 Should my bank be able to say,

00:33:07.900 I don't want to serve you

00:33:09.640 because you voted for Trump?

00:33:11.140 Correct.

00:33:11.440 Or should my airline be able to say,

00:33:13.840 you're not allowed to fly

00:33:15.100 on American Airlines anymore

00:33:16.440 because you voted for Trump?

00:33:17.980 Right.

00:33:18.280 Like, that feels very wrong to me.

00:33:19.980 Or my internet service,

00:33:21.480 that may be different

00:33:22.200 because they're a telecommunications app,

00:33:24.120 but my cell phone or whatever

00:33:25.400 could say,

00:33:26.000 I don't want to serve you anymore

00:33:27.380 because you're a Christian extremist.

00:33:30.440 Like, that seems very problematic to me.

00:33:33.640 Correct.

00:33:34.960 And I guess it is market share

00:33:37.240 that makes it so frightening.

00:33:42.060 However, let me push back

00:33:44.600 from a libertarian standpoint.

00:33:46.680 If I create a company

00:33:49.340 and I grow to be huge

00:33:51.260 because there's nobody else

00:33:53.460 that it was doing what I did,

00:33:55.720 and why should I then have...

00:33:58.460 be punished

00:33:59.680 as long as I'm not obstructing...

00:34:03.900 See, this is...

00:34:04.600 I'm tying myself in a knot here, Jeff,

00:34:06.900 because the only thing...

00:34:08.120 The only thing that I cannot solve

00:34:11.180 on the capitalist system

00:34:12.820 is really the de Tocqueville problem.

00:34:15.440 He said in Democracy in America

00:34:17.960 that at some point

00:34:19.120 the rich will get so rich

00:34:20.720 they will kick the door behind them

00:34:22.580 and not allow anybody else to through.

00:34:24.700 And that's true.

00:34:26.260 Now, not all rich people do that,

00:34:28.220 but some do.

00:34:29.200 I talked to Ray Kurzweil,

00:34:30.660 and I said,

00:34:31.560 what makes you think

00:34:32.900 that Google

00:34:33.880 is not going to just

00:34:36.640 notice what I'm doing online

00:34:39.200 and say,

00:34:40.380 they're trying to build a competition

00:34:41.660 to me, to Google,

00:34:42.820 and just start banning them,

00:34:44.600 start changing, you know,

00:34:45.840 the information.

00:34:46.800 Why wouldn't someone

00:34:48.740 who has a dark heart,

00:34:51.300 you know, do that?

00:34:52.720 And he said,

00:34:53.380 because people won't.

00:34:54.640 Like, you don't know people.

00:34:56.020 People will always do

00:34:57.180 that kind of stuff.

00:34:58.340 So I don't know

00:34:59.880 when you have that much power

00:35:01.840 and you don't have

00:35:03.720 the morals

00:35:05.520 to underpinning

00:35:07.180 of saying,

00:35:07.880 you know,

00:35:08.820 no, I don't want

00:35:09.700 to screw people. 0.58

00:35:10.720 I made it

00:35:11.420 and somebody else

00:35:12.100 can make it

00:35:12.740 and competition

00:35:13.440 will just make me stronger.

00:35:15.260 I don't know

00:35:15.800 how to solve that.

00:35:17.740 Well, I think

00:35:18.580 you are helping solve it

00:35:21.700 by advancing the conversation.

00:35:23.060 I think one angle,

00:35:24.080 I think there are

00:35:24.440 a lot of different angles.

00:35:25.440 There's no one magic bullet,

00:35:27.420 but I think antitrust

00:35:29.140 is certainly part

00:35:30.560 of the equation here

00:35:31.680 and maybe reevaluating

00:35:33.620 how we think about antitrust

00:35:35.580 and at what point,

00:35:36.760 you know,

00:35:36.940 Elizabeth Warren proposed 0.84

00:35:37.940 breaking up tech companies.

00:35:39.520 I don't know

00:35:40.100 if that's a good idea

00:35:40.960 or not,

00:35:41.580 but that is one angle

00:35:43.060 of kind of attack

00:35:45.000 on these issues

00:35:45.880 and I just did an analysis

00:35:47.460 of social media,

00:35:49.640 you know,

00:35:50.040 how much is social media

00:35:51.460 impacting our democratic discourse

00:35:53.680 and what I found

00:35:54.660 is that American use

00:35:57.240 of social media

00:35:58.020 is dominated

00:35:58.620 by eight platforms

00:35:59.860 and Facebook-owned platforms,

00:36:02.680 Facebook itself,

00:36:04.240 Facebook also owns

00:36:05.240 WhatsApp and Instagram,

00:36:06.460 dominates about half

00:36:08.680 of all social media activity

00:36:10.660 among Americans

00:36:12.160 and then Google,

00:36:13.800 Google controls 90%

00:36:16.820 of the search market,

00:36:18.820 so imagine all the times

00:36:20.180 that you're searching

00:36:21.060 for information

00:36:21.860 and on top of that,

00:36:23.740 they own YouTube,

00:36:25.060 which is the most used

00:36:26.300 social media

00:36:27.120 and the dominant

00:36:28.280 video sharing one

00:36:29.920 and they're an investor

00:36:32.980 in Snapchat,

00:36:34.080 which as you know

00:36:35.000 is really popular,

00:36:35.980 especially among young people.

00:36:38.160 So you look at the landscape

00:36:40.660 and we have eight platforms

00:36:41.940 with two companies

00:36:43.220 controlling,

00:36:44.260 you know,

00:36:45.780 how we make sense

00:36:46.800 of the world

00:36:47.280 and filtering the information

00:36:48.620 that we receive

00:36:49.460 and social media is unique

00:36:51.520 because it's participatory.

00:36:53.340 It's not like

00:36:54.460 we're sharing

00:36:55.160 and creating information

00:36:55.700 in addition to consuming it.

00:36:58.860 So what do you think

00:37:00.500 of the argument

00:37:02.840 between platforms

00:37:05.500 and publishers

00:37:08.000 that they're trying

00:37:09.620 to have it both ways?

00:37:10.860 They have the protection

00:37:11.920 of a platform

00:37:12.920 because they could not survive.

00:37:14.860 YouTube couldn't survive

00:37:15.880 if they were going

00:37:16.340 to be sued for everything

00:37:17.340 anybody ever posted.

00:37:19.080 Facebook couldn't survive,

00:37:20.480 but that's a platform

00:37:21.920 and they have to say,

00:37:22.920 I'm an editor,

00:37:24.280 I'm a publisher,

00:37:25.140 or I'm a platform.

00:37:26.280 If you're a platform,

00:37:27.500 you got to let it ride

00:37:28.780 because you can't edit.

00:37:31.000 Otherwise,

00:37:31.800 you are responsible

00:37:33.500 for the content

00:37:34.380 because you're editing

00:37:35.640 unless it's illegal.

00:37:38.080 Why not just make them

00:37:40.220 platforms

00:37:41.180 or publishers

00:37:42.700 and publishing

00:37:44.020 is a total different

00:37:45.240 set of rules

00:37:45.960 and congratulations on that.

00:37:47.500 You're going to get sued

00:37:48.160 all the time.

00:37:50.080 Right.

00:37:50.640 Well, I think,

00:37:51.500 okay,

00:37:51.840 let's talk about policy

00:37:53.020 and then politics

00:37:53.940 because you're referring

00:37:54.900 to Section 230,

00:37:56.840 which is what protects

00:37:58.320 these platforms

00:37:59.140 from getting sued

00:38:00.160 for the content

00:38:00.920 that they're searching.

00:38:02.760 Which seems like

00:38:04.080 that's the root

00:38:06.200 of the problem.

00:38:07.960 Well,

00:38:08.580 but it gets more complicated

00:38:09.820 because let's be honest,

00:38:11.280 like I think

00:38:11.780 threatening

00:38:13.260 to revoke

00:38:14.200 Section 230

00:38:15.020 protection

00:38:16.660 is a really effective

00:38:18.120 political move

00:38:18.960 saying,

00:38:19.820 listen,

00:38:20.620 we're going to pull this,

00:38:21.740 like we're not going

00:38:22.300 to protect you anymore

00:38:23.220 if you're going to act

00:38:23.980 like a publisher

00:38:25.220 and tweak your algorithms

00:38:26.960 and steer people

00:38:28.580 to this politically biased

00:38:29.660 information

00:38:30.380 and disproportionately

00:38:33.460 bias everything

00:38:35.540 against conservatives.

00:38:36.860 Like we're going to,

00:38:37.700 so I think it works

00:38:38.480 politically to threaten it.

00:38:40.160 In practice,

00:38:41.000 I think it's a really bad policy

00:38:42.760 that would basically

00:38:43.460 destroy the internet.

00:38:45.040 So I'm not sure

00:38:46.600 that's exactly,

00:38:47.420 I'm not sure

00:38:47.960 that's exactly

00:38:48.580 the right approach.

00:38:49.480 How would it destroy?

00:38:50.920 I want to understand.

00:38:52.100 I'm not pushing back

00:38:52.840 to be...

00:38:53.800 Well,

00:38:55.060 I think

00:38:55.920 if I could sue Google

00:38:58.240 for anything

00:38:58.940 that Google indexes,

00:39:00.220 that's just going

00:39:00.760 to be a nightmare.

00:39:01.820 Correct.

00:39:02.440 And I think,

00:39:02.780 so I think you're

00:39:03.780 taking a grenade approach

00:39:05.160 when a smarter policy

00:39:07.100 approach would be

00:39:08.000 to a more surgical approach

00:39:10.980 and maybe change

00:39:11.860 the language

00:39:12.500 of requirements

00:39:14.080 around Section 230

00:39:15.680 and get in there

00:39:16.900 and say,

00:39:17.760 you know what,

00:39:18.460 here's,

00:39:18.920 we recognize this thing

00:39:20.060 as,

00:39:20.660 this protection's

00:39:21.620 vital to the internet,

00:39:23.440 but we're going to

00:39:24.220 tweak the language.

00:39:24.900 And if we find that

00:39:26.160 you're having

00:39:26.840 a disproportionate impact

00:39:28.120 or bias

00:39:28.860 against conservatives

00:39:30.340 or against our

00:39:31.240 Democratic discourse...

00:39:32.000 Anybody.

00:39:32.460 Against anybody.

00:39:33.380 Right.

00:39:34.620 Against anybody,

00:39:35.940 then we're going to...

00:39:38.060 So I think

00:39:38.780 a more surgical

00:39:39.720 approach

00:39:40.560 to finessing

00:39:41.540 that language

00:39:42.280 and adding requirements

00:39:43.600 might be a smarter

00:39:44.720 approach than just

00:39:45.500 yanking it.

00:39:46.180 I just assumed

00:39:47.820 that no one

00:39:48.540 in their right mind

00:39:49.680 would take that deal.

00:39:50.780 They would all back up

00:39:51.640 and go,

00:39:52.080 okay, okay, okay, okay.

00:39:53.900 Because you're right,

00:39:54.740 it will shut everything down.

00:39:57.500 It has,

00:39:58.400 that protection

00:39:59.020 has to be provided

00:40:00.440 because no company

00:40:01.680 could handle it.

00:40:04.060 And I just assumed

00:40:05.120 that they would all

00:40:05.680 be wise enough

00:40:06.900 to go,

00:40:07.540 okay, we'll behave.

00:40:09.040 I mean,

00:40:09.600 the reality is

00:40:10.260 these big platforms

00:40:11.260 do have too many

00:40:12.420 legal protections.

00:40:13.600 So I do think

00:40:14.800 that I don't want,

00:40:16.120 I'm not a big fan

00:40:17.040 of litigious culture

00:40:19.380 at all,

00:40:20.280 but I do think

00:40:20.960 that they are

00:40:21.900 overly protected

00:40:22.880 and that we can

00:40:23.620 finesse some

00:40:24.640 of the language.

00:40:25.380 So I think

00:40:25.820 when we look

00:40:26.860 at policy solutions,

00:40:27.900 looking at it

00:40:28.560 more with a scalpel

00:40:29.620 rather than a grenade

00:40:30.980 is a much

00:40:32.000 smarter approach.

00:40:33.840 I mean,

00:40:33.960 I asked some friends

00:40:35.000 what they thought

00:40:35.840 made sense policy-wise

00:40:37.600 and they specified

00:40:39.600 with, you know,

00:40:40.720 platforms with

00:40:41.840 more than

00:40:42.620 several million users,

00:40:44.560 maybe that's when

00:40:45.300 they should fall

00:40:45.860 under certain requirements,

00:40:46.920 right?

00:40:47.240 Because when you have

00:40:47.740 a global platform,

00:40:49.100 that's different

00:40:50.080 than having

00:40:51.040 a local retail shop.

00:40:52.240 Right.

00:40:52.580 We were talking,

00:40:54.160 Jeff,

00:40:54.460 about being demonetized

00:40:57.020 and I'm wondering

00:40:59.300 how much of that

00:41:00.600 is just from

00:41:02.540 companies,

00:41:04.760 advertisers,

00:41:05.880 saying,

00:41:06.500 you know,

00:41:06.720 we're Mercedes-Benz,

00:41:07.380 I don't want

00:41:08.040 anything political,

00:41:09.800 I don't want

00:41:10.580 anything that could

00:41:11.400 be controversial

00:41:12.100 and them just

00:41:13.680 not having

00:41:14.840 different categories

00:41:15.900 or levels

00:41:16.760 and just saying,

00:41:18.400 okay,

00:41:18.660 no advertising

00:41:19.720 because some advertisers

00:41:20.960 don't want this.

00:41:23.060 How much of it is that

00:41:24.940 and how much of it is

00:41:26.360 an agenda

00:41:27.220 to silence?

00:41:29.120 I definitely think

00:41:30.760 there's an agenda

00:41:31.720 to silence.

00:41:32.660 I mean,

00:41:33.040 look at,

00:41:33.620 you may be familiar

00:41:34.480 with Sleeping Giants.

00:41:36.320 That's the name

00:41:36.900 of a left-wing

00:41:37.980 advocacy effort

00:41:40.480 that basically

00:41:41.560 tries to remove

00:41:43.180 threatened advertisers

00:41:44.620 who are advertising

00:41:45.600 on Tucker Carlson's show

00:41:46.900 or on Fox

00:41:47.760 or whatever

00:41:48.260 and they pulled

00:41:50.340 the plug

00:41:50.820 on all of Breitbart's

00:41:52.080 advertising

00:41:52.560 or a lot of their

00:41:53.220 algorithmic advertising

00:41:54.660 so it's pretty devastating

00:41:56.220 for a lot of these

00:41:57.340 businesses

00:41:57.780 and,

00:41:58.800 yeah,

00:41:59.880 so I definitely think

00:42:00.880 the advertising

00:42:01.880 censorship

00:42:02.480 issue is big

00:42:04.480 and it's kind

00:42:05.420 of a structural

00:42:06.080 way to really

00:42:08.180 take the legs

00:42:09.840 out from under

00:42:10.600 conservative media

00:42:11.460 and they're winning

00:42:12.720 on this front

00:42:13.400 for sure.

00:42:14.300 They are.

00:42:14.960 How do we

00:42:15.720 fight back

00:42:17.220 without being

00:42:18.320 them?

00:42:21.820 Well,

00:42:22.520 Glenn,

00:42:22.960 I mean,

00:42:23.480 I think we may

00:42:26.520 have to be them.

00:42:28.600 You know,

00:42:28.940 I think conservatives

00:42:29.740 like to be lofty

00:42:31.440 and pretend like,

00:42:33.340 you know,

00:42:33.760 everything's good

00:42:34.580 and wonderful

00:42:35.500 in the world

00:42:36.180 and the left

00:42:36.880 is taking this

00:42:37.960 by any means

00:42:38.700 necessary approach

00:42:39.940 and that's a recipe

00:42:41.300 for losing

00:42:41.920 and there's a sense

00:42:43.320 in which conservatives

00:42:44.160 are just kind of

00:42:44.920 perpetual losing losers,

00:42:46.760 right?

00:42:47.460 And so I think

00:42:48.240 part of it

00:42:49.980 is bringing the fight

00:42:50.900 back to them,

00:42:51.920 which isn't fun.

00:42:52.940 Nobody likes

00:42:53.520 playing that game,

00:42:55.040 but I think

00:42:56.200 they only stop

00:42:57.140 when we force them

00:42:58.660 to play it

00:42:59.240 by their own rules,

00:43:00.120 as Alinsky

00:43:00.880 would say,

00:43:01.440 right?

00:43:01.840 Exactly right.

00:43:02.980 Yeah,

00:43:03.340 so I think

00:43:03.700 that's one step

00:43:05.040 is to push back,

00:43:07.540 take the offensive.

00:43:08.900 I think a second step

00:43:10.180 is just to stop

00:43:11.280 playing the game.

00:43:13.080 What Tucker Carlson

00:43:14.540 did the other night

00:43:15.620 was phenomenal.

00:43:17.080 When he said,

00:43:17.720 no,

00:43:18.460 I'm not going

00:43:19.040 to let you shame me.

00:43:20.080 No,

00:43:20.740 Fox is standing by me.

00:43:22.220 We're not going

00:43:22.700 to be fired.

00:43:24.620 That is really powerful

00:43:26.300 when people learn

00:43:27.940 to just not take

00:43:29.160 the bait

00:43:29.560 with these outrage

00:43:30.500 campaigns,

00:43:31.860 especially when

00:43:33.620 they're fake ones.

00:43:35.420 Now,

00:43:35.660 with advertisers,

00:43:36.660 it's complicated

00:43:37.360 because,

00:43:38.120 you know,

00:43:39.140 Tucker Carlson's show

00:43:40.160 still is losing advertisers.

00:43:42.080 I'm not exactly sure

00:43:43.320 what to do around that

00:43:44.700 other than making

00:43:45.680 our voices heard

00:43:46.700 and felt

00:43:47.180 with the advertisers

00:43:48.400 and demonstrating

00:43:50.100 to them that,

00:43:50.960 like,

00:43:51.100 hey,

00:43:51.380 this is almost

00:43:52.400 a mutually,

00:43:53.280 we need to get

00:43:54.200 in the mutually

00:43:54.940 assured destruction

00:43:55.920 mode where,

00:43:57.320 okay,

00:43:58.640 we can play this game,

00:44:00.560 but that's going

00:44:01.540 to be a nightmare

00:44:02.100 for advertisers

00:44:02.940 when you're boycotting us

00:44:04.740 and we're boycotting you

00:44:05.780 and all this stuff,

00:44:06.680 or we could just

00:44:07.800 not play this game.

00:44:09.240 And I think the only way

00:44:10.040 to get to that position

00:44:11.140 is by threatening

00:44:12.940 the left back

00:44:14.140 and saying,

00:44:15.440 no,

00:44:16.080 you know,

00:44:16.340 we don't play that.

00:44:17.220 We're not going

00:44:17.540 to do that anymore.

00:44:18.720 Yeah.

00:44:19.040 And also,

00:44:20.580 I think one third step

00:44:22.440 is getting our dollars

00:44:23.980 together.

00:44:25.160 AstraZeneca,

00:44:25.900 if they're going

00:44:26.340 to pull their ads

00:44:27.120 from Tucker Carlson,

00:44:28.900 you know,

00:44:29.280 well,

00:44:29.460 maybe that's not

00:44:29.960 the best example

00:44:30.720 because people

00:44:31.200 need their meds.

00:44:32.860 Right.

00:44:33.760 But,

00:44:33.840 like,

00:44:34.340 you know,

00:44:35.380 pick your service.

00:44:36.420 If you're going

00:44:37.140 to,

00:44:37.260 like,

00:44:37.540 not advertise,

00:44:39.040 we're going

00:44:39.480 to boycott your service.

00:44:40.720 And so,

00:44:41.100 getting organized

00:44:41.840 to make them

00:44:42.900 pay a price

00:44:43.640 for that behavior

00:44:44.840 is another thing

00:44:45.920 we can do.

00:44:51.180 You're listening

00:44:52.000 to the best

00:44:52.700 of the Glenn Beck

00:44:53.380 program.

00:45:04.200 Dr. Will Riley

00:45:05.720 is with us now.

00:45:07.820 Doctor,

00:45:08.980 how are you,

00:45:09.860 sir?

00:45:10.800 Good.

00:45:11.320 How are you?

00:45:11.820 Very good.

00:45:13.120 You should refer

00:45:13.720 to me as a doctor

00:45:14.500 as well.

00:45:15.060 I'm,

00:45:15.340 of course,

00:45:16.220 a doctor of humanities,

00:45:17.300 which means I can operate

00:45:18.480 on any portion

00:45:19.360 of the body.

00:45:20.220 I don't know

00:45:20.680 if you know that,

00:45:21.180 but...

00:45:21.980 Or at least

00:45:22.620 the mind.

00:45:24.700 Or none of it.

00:45:25.620 Anyway,

00:45:26.240 you are a real

00:45:27.780 professor,

00:45:28.740 a doctor

00:45:29.060 of political science,

00:45:30.300 and you have

00:45:31.200 looked through

00:45:33.060 all of the

00:45:34.020 hate crimes

00:45:35.420 that have been

00:45:36.400 reported

00:45:36.860 over the,

00:45:37.340 what,

00:45:37.440 last 15 years?

00:45:39.880 Well,

00:45:40.400 it's actually

00:45:41.060 a closer

00:45:41.740 time frame

00:45:42.460 than that,

00:45:42.880 or a narrower

00:45:43.420 time frame.

00:45:44.180 I mean,

00:45:44.340 my book focuses

00:45:45.160 in,

00:45:46.040 on really

00:45:46.440 the last

00:45:46.820 five years.

00:45:47.940 Five years.

00:45:48.140 My research

00:45:48.620 window was

00:45:49.520 2012

00:45:50.220 to 2017.

00:45:52.160 So I guess

00:45:52.480 last six

00:45:53.180 and a half

00:45:53.560 years now.

00:45:54.860 But yeah,

00:45:55.280 what I find

00:45:56.180 is that a

00:45:56.880 very large

00:45:57.620 number,

00:45:58.020 I wouldn't say

00:45:58.580 of all

00:45:59.200 hate crimes,

00:45:59.820 if you look

00:46:00.180 at the

00:46:00.360 allegation

00:46:00.740 that someone

00:46:01.080 had a word

00:46:01.680 shouted at them

00:46:02.460 outside of

00:46:02.880 fraternity party

00:46:03.620 and either

00:46:04.040 black or

00:46:04.500 white individual,

00:46:05.600 but a very

00:46:06.020 large percentage

00:46:06.940 of the high

00:46:07.600 profile,

00:46:08.520 widely reported

00:46:09.420 recent hate crimes,

00:46:10.520 more than half

00:46:11.340 have been faked.

00:46:12.540 So I mean,

00:46:12.840 we saw Jussie Smollett

00:46:14.240 a couple weeks

00:46:15.180 ago now,

00:46:16.440 man claimed

00:46:17.160 that he was

00:46:17.700 beaten up

00:46:18.360 at two o'clock

00:46:18.960 in the morning

00:46:19.560 in Chicago

00:46:20.260 by two white

00:46:21.760 bodybuilders

00:46:22.480 with MAGA hats

00:46:23.300 on.

00:46:23.560 They turned out

00:46:23.900 to be Nigerian

00:46:24.800 that had a rope,

00:46:26.080 a gallon bottle

00:46:26.700 of bleach.

00:46:28.560 They chanted

00:46:29.400 build the wall,

00:46:30.400 this is MAGA

00:46:30.920 country.

00:46:31.540 That turned out

00:46:32.220 to be a complete

00:46:32.740 fraud.

00:46:33.260 He's currently

00:46:33.600 facing 16

00:46:34.660 felony charges.

00:46:36.780 Literally a week

00:46:37.640 before that,

00:46:38.260 we saw Covington

00:46:39.140 Catholic where the 0.95

00:46:40.040 claim was that

00:46:40.680 this group

00:46:41.100 of prep school

00:46:41.800 athletes had 0.60

00:46:42.580 surrounded a

00:46:43.780 literal Native

00:46:44.400 American Indian

00:46:45.220 elder.

00:46:45.840 I think he was

00:46:46.220 a shaman.

00:46:47.140 They chanted

00:46:47.660 build the wall.

00:46:48.640 They tried to

00:46:49.060 take his tribe's 0.99

00:46:49.960 sacred rain drum.

00:46:52.180 And going back

00:46:53.340 through a whole

00:46:53.780 bunch of these,

00:46:54.440 I mean,

00:46:54.620 you've got

00:46:54.880 Eastern Michigan,

00:46:56.020 the graffiti

00:46:56.600 incidents targeting

00:46:57.720 African American

00:46:58.500 students,

00:46:59.180 allegedly.

00:47:00.380 Air Force Academy

00:47:01.380 where a general

00:47:02.320 literally had to

00:47:03.140 show up on campus

00:47:03.900 and speak denouncing

00:47:04.940 racism.

00:47:06.120 A young black

00:47:06.800 girl in Grand Rapids

00:47:07.860 who claimed that

00:47:08.460 boorish white men

00:47:09.300 literally urinates

00:47:10.040 on her,

00:47:10.680 pretty painful to

00:47:11.420 read.

00:47:12.380 Key in college

00:47:13.440 with the death

00:47:14.120 threats,

00:47:15.220 Wisconsin Parkside

00:47:16.240 with the nooses,

00:47:17.520 just a few more.

00:47:18.260 But I mean,

00:47:18.520 UVA,

00:47:19.260 the Virginia

00:47:19.780 quote unquote

00:47:20.220 rape scandal

00:47:20.980 a couple of years

00:47:21.680 ago where the

00:47:22.100 fraternities were 0.85

00:47:22.840 allegedly running

00:47:23.800 anti-feminist rape 0.95

00:47:25.620 rings that made

00:47:26.480 the front cover

00:47:27.200 of Rolling Stone,

00:47:28.580 kind of the OG

00:47:29.260 scandal,

00:47:30.020 Duke La Crosse.

00:47:31.020 All of these

00:47:31.660 turned out to be

00:47:32.480 fake.

00:47:33.940 And because I

00:47:35.400 personally had

00:47:36.360 some connection

00:47:36.940 with two fake

00:47:37.840 hate crime incidents

00:47:38.760 in Chicago

00:47:39.440 as a graduate

00:47:40.320 student,

00:47:41.420 one of the

00:47:41.840 city's best

00:47:42.400 known sort of

00:47:42.920 young hipster

00:47:43.660 bars burned

00:47:44.440 down.

00:47:45.080 The owner

00:47:45.660 said that this

00:47:46.260 was because he

00:47:46.760 was a gay man.

00:47:47.580 That turned out

00:47:48.220 to be false.

00:47:49.000 I became interested

00:47:49.940 in why there

00:47:51.060 was this remarkably

00:47:51.900 high rate of

00:47:53.000 false reporting

00:47:53.860 in this category.

00:47:55.540 So I mean,

00:47:55.940 I think there's

00:47:56.220 some good jokes

00:47:56.760 and so on in the

00:47:57.340 book,

00:47:57.540 but I used

00:47:57.960 modern scientific

00:47:58.860 technology to look

00:48:00.220 into why.

00:48:01.600 So what you

00:48:02.280 found,

00:48:02.960 I'll let you

00:48:04.280 reveal,

00:48:05.160 but it is,

00:48:06.280 it's very

00:48:08.800 Saul Alinsky

00:48:09.720 in a way,

00:48:10.760 it's very

00:48:11.260 progressive in a

00:48:12.640 way,

00:48:13.340 that people

00:48:15.080 feel justified

00:48:17.460 in doing it.

00:48:19.580 Yeah,

00:48:20.160 well I think

00:48:20.560 that's an

00:48:21.560 excellent point.

00:48:23.080 So I think

00:48:23.780 there are a

00:48:24.060 couple of

00:48:24.380 levels there.

00:48:25.000 The first is

00:48:25.680 just that there

00:48:26.300 are a very

00:48:27.220 large number

00:48:28.000 of hate crime

00:48:28.900 hoaxes and

00:48:29.460 frauds.

00:48:30.600 This isn't

00:48:31.300 as it's

00:48:31.740 sometimes

00:48:32.180 presented,

00:48:33.120 I think there's

00:48:33.580 an article in

00:48:34.180 Vox actually

00:48:34.820 after Jesse

00:48:35.320 Smollett,

00:48:36.040 just a few

00:48:36.660 cases being

00:48:37.540 amplified by

00:48:38.300 the right.

00:48:39.160 I mean,

00:48:39.600 putting together

00:48:40.180 hopes,

00:48:40.720 I was able

00:48:41.200 to fairly

00:48:41.820 easily compile

00:48:42.740 a data set

00:48:43.380 of 409

00:48:44.520 confirmed hate

00:48:45.280 crime hoaxes.

00:48:46.540 That's currently

00:48:47.180 up to 516.

00:48:49.000 Almost all of

00:48:49.900 these occurred

00:48:50.620 within the last

00:48:51.240 five years.

00:48:51.940 As I said,

00:48:52.480 that data set's

00:48:53.020 available to anyone

00:48:53.580 who wants it,

00:48:54.100 by the way.

00:48:54.780 I've gone on a

00:48:55.320 range of right

00:48:55.900 and left media.

00:48:56.720 I'm very

00:48:56.980 confident in that.

00:48:58.260 Would you put

00:49:00.100 what was the

00:49:01.460 kid's name

00:49:02.300 that was killed

00:49:03.040 with the hoodie,

00:49:04.320 you know,

00:49:04.560 this could be

00:49:04.980 my son?

00:49:06.260 Trayvon Martin.

00:49:06.900 Would you put

00:49:07.600 Trayvon Martin

00:49:08.280 in that category?

00:49:10.280 No,

00:49:10.640 actually,

00:49:11.140 because I think

00:49:12.180 this is something

00:49:12.700 that will be

00:49:13.060 challenged,

00:49:13.440 not just in that

00:49:14.240 public sector

00:49:15.020 where I enjoy

00:49:15.500 debating and

00:49:16.040 arguing,

00:49:16.360 but in academia,

00:49:17.160 I defined a

00:49:18.720 hate crime hoax

00:49:19.560 very narrowly,

00:49:20.600 actually.

00:49:20.860 The data set

00:49:21.340 usually could be

00:49:22.000 three or four

00:49:22.500 times as large

00:49:23.160 as it is.

00:49:24.400 And I explicitly

00:49:25.640 didn't include

00:49:26.420 most sexual

00:49:27.300 assaults.

00:49:27.900 There's a fairly

00:49:28.320 high rate of

00:49:28.920 false reporting

00:49:29.460 there as well,

00:49:30.160 especially on the

00:49:30.800 campus.

00:49:31.720 And I explicitly

00:49:32.840 didn't include a

00:49:34.100 lot of these

00:49:34.500 police shootings.

00:49:35.500 And the reason

00:49:36.560 for that is that

00:49:37.140 there was no

00:49:37.680 filed charge of

00:49:39.220 hate crime.

00:49:39.960 The initial

00:49:40.300 allegation was that

00:49:41.100 this is a hate

00:49:41.940 crime per se.

00:49:43.060 But if you look

00:49:43.520 at a bunch of

00:49:43.960 those, like

00:49:44.320 Michael Brown,

00:49:45.020 that is, I

00:49:45.920 would say,

00:49:46.300 an additional

00:49:46.840 example, a

00:49:47.660 different type

00:49:48.180 of example of

00:49:48.800 a false

00:49:49.280 created narrative.

00:49:50.580 If you remember

00:49:51.480 hands up, don't

00:49:52.440 shoot.

00:49:53.860 The gentle

00:49:54.780 giant, he was

00:49:55.780 walking away from

00:49:56.640 the police.

00:49:57.260 They said he had

00:49:57.680 tears on his

00:49:58.360 face.

00:49:58.900 And he was

00:49:59.640 shot down in

00:50:00.240 cold blood.

00:50:01.340 It turns out that

00:50:02.160 Michael Brown had

00:50:03.040 committed a strong

00:50:03.860 armed robbery of

00:50:05.140 another person of

00:50:06.080 color, sympathetic

00:50:06.860 local store owner

00:50:07.820 well-liked, earlier

00:50:08.780 that day.

00:50:10.000 He came into

00:50:10.660 conflict with the

00:50:11.400 police because he

00:50:12.100 was walking

00:50:12.780 literally down the

00:50:14.200 median of a

00:50:14.760 busy street.

00:50:15.720 Cop couldn't

00:50:16.140 tolerate that, got

00:50:16.860 out of his car to

00:50:17.460 confront him.

00:50:18.840 Brown grabbed the

00:50:19.520 officer's gun.

00:50:20.600 These are big men.

00:50:21.360 I mean, Michael

00:50:21.700 Brown was 17, 18,

00:50:22.920 6'5".

00:50:23.460 Darren Wilson was

00:50:24.000 6'4".

00:50:24.660 There's a vicious

00:50:25.480 struggle.

00:50:26.180 Brown's fingerprints 0.76

00:50:27.020 are on the slide

00:50:28.120 of the weapon, the

00:50:28.800 trigger guard of the

00:50:29.520 weapon.

00:50:30.220 I mean, I'm a pistol

00:50:30.900 instructor, I know

00:50:31.460 what that means.

00:50:32.380 Wilson finally

00:50:32.980 discharged, I

00:50:33.580 believe, two shots

00:50:34.360 and unfortunately

00:50:34.940 there's a death.

00:50:36.320 But many of those

00:50:37.460 narratives, and this

00:50:38.420 will be in my next

00:50:39.040 book actually, but

00:50:40.240 many of these

00:50:40.760 narratives that come

00:50:41.540 out of the Black 0.99

00:50:42.180 Lives Matter movement

00:50:42.980 and also the alt-right

00:50:44.020 response to that, by

00:50:44.920 the way, are in

00:50:45.780 addition fictional.

00:50:47.060 But those are not

00:50:48.080 in this book.

00:50:48.820 This is just about

00:50:49.440 fake hate crimes, and

00:50:50.400 there were more than

00:50:51.060 enough to fill up a

00:50:51.760 book.

00:50:52.980 You know, I want to

00:50:54.560 go deeper into this

00:50:55.840 with you.

00:50:56.260 I'm going to take a

00:50:56.840 break for a minute.

00:50:58.040 But I have to ask you

00:50:59.140 this.

00:51:00.020 You're also a gun

00:51:03.420 instructor?

00:51:03.880 Yeah, I'm a pistol

00:51:06.100 instructor for the

00:51:07.240 National Rifle

00:51:07.900 Association.

00:51:08.500 I also do hand-to-hand

00:51:09.640 combat martial arts.

00:51:10.740 But I mean, the

00:51:11.220 ability to kill your

00:51:12.200 enemies is exactly

00:51:13.000 equivalent to the

00:51:13.560 right to be free.

00:51:15.380 How the hell are you

00:51:16.240 a professor?

00:51:17.360 I mean, you are an

00:51:19.140 oddball.

00:51:20.340 How did you get that

00:51:22.500 job?

00:51:23.840 Or keep, let me say

00:51:24.760 that, how did you keep

00:51:26.020 that job?

00:51:27.420 Well, there's a funny

00:51:28.300 answer there, and that's

00:51:29.160 that I teach at a

00:51:29.780 historically black

00:51:30.520 college.

00:51:31.740 Political correctness,

00:51:32.880 minorities, blacks and 0.96

00:51:33.960 Asians, tend to vote for 1.00

00:51:35.160 conservative but

00:51:36.080 democratic political

00:51:37.160 candidates.

00:51:37.680 Vote heavily for the 0.81

00:51:38.360 Democrats.

00:51:38.880 I'd like to see that

00:51:39.720 change so there's more

00:51:40.920 valuation of your vote.

00:51:42.220 But the entire far-left

00:51:43.960 culture of outrage,

00:51:46.120 whether that's the

00:51:47.880 trans movement, perhaps,

00:51:49.460 or constant marches

00:51:51.000 through campus against

00:51:51.880 racism, that's to a

00:51:53.580 large extent absent from

00:51:54.800 the black colleges, where

00:51:55.760 everyone in leadership is

00:51:56.820 an upper-middle-class

00:51:57.660 black guy.

00:51:58.840 So, I mean, I would say

00:51:59.800 that probably 20%

00:52:01.000 of our professors are

00:52:02.500 conservatives, I would

00:52:03.860 say.

00:52:04.200 I've gotten really no

00:52:05.200 backlash about writing

00:52:06.100 the book.

00:52:06.800 So it is interesting to

00:52:08.020 contrast that at

00:52:08.840 Kentucky State.

00:52:09.720 Wow.

00:52:10.600 Wow.

00:52:11.020 It's interesting to

00:52:11.520 contract that with a

00:52:13.300 primarily white

00:52:14.440 institution of

00:52:15.880 equivalent size and

00:52:16.880 rank, where you'd be

00:52:17.420 talking about

00:52:17.800 Evergreen State,

00:52:19.400 Portland State,

00:52:20.860 Drake.

00:52:22.020 So, again, obviously

00:52:23.920 heavily Democratic

00:52:25.000 voters to some extent

00:52:26.220 when we vote in the

00:52:27.340 black community.

00:52:27.960 But every single

00:52:29.580 one of the most

00:52:30.680 extreme, outraged

00:52:32.100 leftists I've ever

00:52:33.060 met is a privileged

00:52:33.860 upper-middle-class

00:52:34.540 white kid.

00:52:35.440 So I actually think

00:52:36.480 that where I am

00:52:37.440 teaching, it's fairly

00:52:39.000 accepted that I've

00:52:39.840 written a right-leaning

00:52:40.580 book.

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