The Glenn Beck Program - March 13, 2019


Best of the Program | Guests: Jeff Giesea & Dr. Will Reilly | 3⧸13⧸19


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

144.11038

Word Count

7,677

Sentence Count

520

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

Glenn Beck talks about Venezuela and the celebrities that just love Hugo Chavez, the hate crime hoax, and how the left is selling a fake race war. And of course, we end with my visit to Tony Robbins.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey podcasters, great show for you today. We start in the heart of darkness with Venezuela
00:00:06.700 and the celebrities that just love Hugo Chavez. Then right into something that has now been
00:00:13.800 deplatformed. I'm sorry, not deplatformed, but got us demonetized. Demonetized on YouTube. And
00:00:22.040 that is for telling you who we believe Congresswoman Omar is. If you have a problem with today's
00:00:29.840 episode, you should listen to tomorrow's podcast. Then had a great conversation about freedom of
00:00:36.060 speech. And what do we do? Do we break up these big social media companies, these tech companies?
00:00:41.760 I don't necessarily agree with that. But what do we do? Because freedom of speech is even hitting
00:00:47.700 you. They're starting to curtail your speech. And I got a letter in from a listener yesterday that I
00:00:54.340 shared with you. And then the hate crime hoax, how the left is selling a fake race war. And of
00:01:02.400 course, we end with Tony Robbins, my visit to him. I'm going to be gone over the next few days. And
00:01:09.320 I'm going to go see Tony Robbins. And he's going to motivate. I'm much more interested in the Ricky
00:01:18.960 Gervais show on Netflix called Afterlife. Really funny. Really funny. Really, really good. Harsh,
00:01:29.860 but really funny. That's all on today's podcast.
00:01:40.540 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:01:52.960 Imagine a darkness, something darker and scarier than the deepest parts of the ocean.
00:01:59.860 Darker than that awful darkness of space. The darkness of night. A house shackled by darkness
00:02:06.760 because there isn't any electricity. And there hasn't been for months. But then again, that's
00:02:12.020 not the dark I'm talking about. The real dark is the dark part that lives inside of you. The
00:02:19.360 things that you now have to do on a daily basis just to stay alive.
00:02:24.320 Around the corner, you hear the bestial shouts from a Caracas jail.
00:02:31.220 The prisoners have taken over. At least that's what you hear. They feel they can do a better job of
00:02:36.520 controlling themselves than whoever has been doing it lately. It was a hundred years ago that this
00:02:42.840 country was lavished in wealth. Not too long ago, you too were rich. You were healthy in that
00:02:50.180 chubby 19th century Russian diplomat way. You ate well. You probably ate too much. Black turtle beans and
00:02:58.080 fried bananas. Asado negro. You drool just thinking of the tender shredded beef and the carrot and oregano
00:03:05.120 tinged broth. You strode through steakhouses on special occasions. You ate t-bones like a Texan. You
00:03:13.900 drank Chilean wines. Malbec from Argentina. Occasionally a glass of cognac. Not because you were a drunk,
00:03:22.400 but because you could. Because you enjoyed the sprouting goodness that life had to offer. Man,
00:03:27.520 that life, it seemed like it was never going to end. Now look at yourself.
00:03:35.120 You're a bag of bones. Bones jutting out like false teeth at times. You think about all the energy
00:03:43.140 you waste just breathing. What happened? Now you can barely afford a single egg. One egg. Eggs that fall
00:03:56.180 out of the backsides of chickens. And I can't afford it? Your mouth quivers at the thought of a fried egg.
00:04:03.400 Tender. So tender it pops open with just the prod of a fork oozing onto the fried papaya and rotisserie
00:04:09.700 chicken. You've lost 120 pounds since it all started going to hell. And now you're in it firmly.
00:04:20.100 You weren't rich. You weren't rich. You were middle class. Lower middle class even. That's just how good
00:04:27.180 things used to be. Although there was always the cinderblock hovels that you can see from the plane
00:04:34.280 as you land in Caracas. Now it has spread. The office where you used to work as an accountant is now empty,
00:04:43.240 abandoned, overtaken by squatters, people like you who lost everything, who limp a little more each
00:04:50.420 day toward their death. Men all in black now patrol the streets with shotguns, black bulletproof vest
00:04:58.160 and black tarp-like shirts and black pants, black military boots. People hamper cars in the street
00:05:05.060 because there's nowhere to go. Nothing to do. Gasping a bit, you rest below a crucifix statue,
00:05:15.460 the left tilting head of Christ emblazoned in a soft and sad light, the burnished rise of daylight
00:05:21.780 breathing into a new day. Looking at Christ, perhaps for the first time you understand suffering.
00:05:29.940 You understand his defeated look, the look of hopelessness and violence and death,
00:05:37.300 the hopelessness of surrendering and surrendering until it stops mattering.
00:05:42.500 You hope. You have that one hope left that all things will change. But you really hope that just
00:05:55.220 anything begins to change. It was all so promising at the beginning. Everybody was going to be able to
00:06:04.260 live the high life and now only a handful are and they are the ones that live behind the
00:06:12.260 gates. This, you think to yourself, this is the socialist utopia they promised all of us as Venezuelans.
00:06:24.740 As you sit there under the statue, you begin to replay it all in your mind and wonder,
00:06:32.260 where are all those Americans, those celebrities, those from Hollywood that praised our leaders and
00:06:44.740 helped convince us that this was the road to prosperity?
00:06:52.500 I wonder what they're eating tonight.
00:06:55.620 I have a feeling they're eating very well.
00:07:02.820 This is the hypocrisy.
00:07:06.580 This is why the media is an enemy of the people.
00:07:13.220 Not because, not because they're against Donald Trump or anything else, but because they will
00:07:20.100 not tell you the truth.
00:07:23.940 Where are the big long specials on Venezuela and how it all happened?
00:07:30.500 Where are the demands for the apologies from those who brought this socialism to Venezuela?
00:07:36.900 I can tell you right now that if a capitalist country would implode and you had the very rich and the
00:07:44.980 very elite of this grotesque capitalist system, living the high life, taking the gold from the country,
00:07:54.500 currently holding it hostage, forcing people to starve, fixing elections.
00:08:00.340 I can guarantee you CNN would be there 24-7.
00:08:06.020 They would be talking about it nonstop and saying this is why we need socialism.
00:08:11.380 But where is the media today?
00:08:15.780 Where are the leaders today that will actually stand up and say, wait a minute, hold it.
00:08:24.740 We're all talking about socialism.
00:08:27.060 Can we stop and look at what socialism has done?
00:08:34.100 Can we just stop and ask a few people?
00:08:37.540 Hey, Sean Penn, do you remember when you said this?
00:08:42.500 He is one of the most important forces we've had on this planet.
00:08:51.140 And I will wish him nothing but that great strength he's shown over and over again.
00:08:58.020 I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
00:09:08.260 I just want to say that from my very American point of view,
00:09:14.420 I want to say that from my very American point of view,
00:09:17.620 of my friend, President Chávez,
00:09:20.020 of my friend, President Chávez,
00:09:22.340 it is only possible
00:09:25.380 to be so inspiring as he is,
00:09:28.900 as a two-way street.
00:09:33.380 It is only possible
00:09:35.460 to be so inspiring as he is, as a two-way street.
00:09:39.380 And he would say that his inspiration is the people.
00:09:45.140 Hugo Chávez.
00:09:50.020 Praise after the death of Hugo Chávez.
00:09:54.820 Praise for the new bus driver,
00:09:58.340 Maduro, who was one of the people
00:10:00.980 who will be democratically elected.
00:10:04.660 And he will continue this proud, proud tradition of Chávez.
00:10:10.980 They will feed you a lie of fiction now.
00:10:14.820 That Chávez was doing it right.
00:10:17.060 It was Maduro.
00:10:19.140 Well, that falls apart in two places.
00:10:21.940 One, the economy was already falling apart.
00:10:25.460 Everything was falling into disrepair at the end of Hugo Chávez.
00:10:30.260 And my greater point here is,
00:10:33.780 this is democratic socialism.
00:10:37.380 You're going to elect somebody.
00:10:38.740 He's going to be the greatest.
00:10:40.740 He's going to be Barack Obama.
00:10:43.140 He gave us Obamacare.
00:10:45.620 And as it starts to fall apart,
00:10:48.580 the democratically elected successor
00:10:51.780 has to pick up the pieces.
00:10:53.780 And at some point, it gets so bad
00:10:57.140 that one of these successors
00:11:00.420 just has to stop the elections.
00:11:03.300 They just have to stop these people
00:11:05.620 because it's the people who are complaining
00:11:07.940 that are causing all the problems.
00:11:09.620 Where is Danny Glover today?
00:11:14.820 Has anyone seen Danny Glover?
00:11:16.740 Is he on television being asked,
00:11:19.220 Hey, how are you feeling about Venezuela now?
00:11:22.100 Because you were a big supporter
00:11:23.540 when you said things like this.
00:11:25.540 Well, first of all, I consider
00:11:28.260 the president, Hugo Chávez, my friend.
00:11:30.980 And certainly an ally about the things
00:11:34.340 that I talk about in the world
00:11:35.860 and that he talks about in the world.
00:11:37.380 I want to talk preciously about the country
00:11:40.180 that people often consider me a descendant of
00:11:43.620 and from Haiti.
00:11:45.220 Haiti is something very special to me.
00:11:47.140 And so when I talked to the president about Haiti,
00:11:50.020 he understood there was a fundamental relationship
00:11:52.580 that Latin America, and particularly Venezuela,
00:11:56.420 and the Bolivarian Revolution had to Haiti.
00:11:59.380 Haiti, otherwise known as Haiti.
00:12:02.740 Danny Glover will say,
00:12:04.980 Well, I was talking about Chávez,
00:12:08.900 but here he is in 2014,
00:12:10.740 giving a speech next to Maduro,
00:12:14.260 supporting Maduro.
00:12:15.460 I am so proud to be with you.
00:12:17.540 I am so proud to be with you.
00:12:21.460 As we commemorate and celebrate
00:12:24.980 a true man of the people,
00:12:29.220 Hugo Chávez.
00:12:32.980 His memory lives with us.
00:12:41.060 Through the work that you do
00:12:45.300 as citizens of this great nation,
00:12:49.460 as you continue to realize his vision
00:12:53.940 of a participatory democracy,
00:12:57.220 one involving all citizens,
00:12:59.220 in contact with his elected leaders,
00:13:11.140 who are the stewards of this democracy.
00:13:14.420 It is a task that is very difficult,
00:13:28.420 but a task that you are up to.
00:13:31.860 It is a task with many challenges,
00:13:43.460 but he knows that you will continue the fight
00:13:47.620 that he gave his last breath for,
00:13:50.980 a free, democratic,
00:13:55.060 self-determining Venezuela.
00:13:57.700 That's fantastic.
00:13:59.860 If any of it were true,
00:14:01.540 as he had his arm around Nicolas Maduro,
00:14:04.820 as he was saying it.
00:14:06.100 If you think that the socialists
00:14:10.180 really believe in a self-determining
00:14:14.740 group of people,
00:14:15.780 an exchange of ideas,
00:14:17.300 then why are they silencing so many people today
00:14:21.780 in America?
00:14:24.420 Don't you see?
00:14:25.860 This is...
00:14:26.820 They don't show up in black boots.
00:14:29.300 They don't show up in scary uniforms.
00:14:34.500 Germany, they showed up in those black uniforms,
00:14:38.020 but those weren't scary at the time.
00:14:40.020 Those were sharp uniforms.
00:14:42.420 They were designed by Hugo Boss.
00:14:46.500 They instilled confidence in the people.
00:14:48.500 They thought,
00:14:48.900 oh wow, look at them.
00:14:50.020 I want to be a part of that.
00:14:52.180 Now, only now,
00:14:53.700 do you know what they really mean.
00:14:56.180 And now those uniforms are frightening.
00:14:58.580 They show up as friends.
00:15:01.060 As Ronald Reagan said,
00:15:02.180 I'm from the government.
00:15:03.700 I'm here to help.
00:15:04.820 The most frightening words anybody has ever spoken.
00:15:08.020 If they truly are going to create a utopia
00:15:13.860 where all of us can express ourselves,
00:15:17.300 then why are they silencing us today?
00:15:21.300 Why is that Noam Chomsky?
00:15:23.620 Why is that Oliver Stone,
00:15:25.780 Danny Glover, Sean Penn?
00:15:28.740 You all should be held accountable
00:15:31.220 for what you said.
00:15:34.020 And I know you're going to have an excuse.
00:15:35.620 Well, they just didn't do it right in Venezuela.
00:15:38.020 They never do it right.
00:15:43.540 Shame on you, Hollywood.
00:15:45.780 And shame on you, American press.
00:15:49.860 Where are you as people languish in the dark
00:15:53.940 and starve?
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00:16:13.620 Here's this freshman congresswoman
00:16:16.020 that no one is willing to look into.
00:16:18.980 There is a, there's an electric fence around here.
00:16:22.580 You cannot talk about her.
00:16:24.740 But when I, when I said to my staff, I want to really look into her and I want to see,
00:16:30.260 tell, tell me who she is.
00:16:31.220 Tell me where she came from, et cetera, et cetera.
00:16:33.300 We started uncovering things that are just beyond description strange.
00:16:40.900 There are multiple, multiple suspicious stories that the media has granted her a pass and they
00:16:49.220 would never grant this pass to anyone.
00:16:52.420 I mean, even the average Democrat would not get away with these things.
00:16:57.380 So I want to talk to you a little bit about, um, about her and, and where she came from today.
00:17:04.900 We'll talk about her anti-Semitism and the heart of that on tomorrow's episode at this time.
00:17:11.060 Now, the first stories that started to come out to question her came out from online bloggers back in 2016.
00:17:18.740 Normally, I wouldn't go to an online blogger and say, Hey, look at what this online blogger did.
00:17:24.960 However, when you have no media, sometimes the online bloggers, if you check them out, have something and they have checked this out.
00:17:34.640 Back in 2016, Ilhan Omar had committed immigration fraud.
00:17:39.860 This was the charge that she had committed immigration fraud by marrying her brother to facilitate his arrival in the United States.
00:17:50.900 Okay.
00:17:51.680 All right.
00:17:54.260 If it was from a blogger, I would, I would look into it, but it doesn't help that, you know, it's like, okay, really?
00:18:01.100 So she set, um, her, um, social media platforms to private immediately after that story broke and then deleted all of the alleged evidence that was used to prove the immigration fraud case.
00:18:17.520 It was all up on her social media.
00:18:20.000 And as soon as that came out, delete.
00:18:23.940 Okay.
00:18:25.340 Sounds suspicious, but the mainstream media wouldn't touch it.
00:18:29.220 Not even the local Minnesota media would touch it.
00:18:32.680 And you'll understand why by the end of this episode tomorrow, the Associated Press actually took this on.
00:18:41.140 They were the only outlet, the Associated Press, not a slum out vet and currently, uh, not a conservative outlet to say the least.
00:18:49.840 But when they asked Omar what was going on, she just said, quote, I choose not to further the narrative of those who oppose us.
00:18:57.640 End quote.
00:18:58.220 Okay, well, I assume that you're saying that those are all lies, but it would be easy to prove them.
00:19:04.680 So the AP asked Omar for her immigration records and birth certificates that would prove her denial.
00:19:11.200 Now, when I first saw this, I was like, oh, geez, a birth certificate thing.
00:19:14.100 There was nothing with the Obama birth certificate.
00:19:16.220 Can we stop with the birth certificates?
00:19:17.980 And the fact that she said that her family's birth certificates were lost during the Somali Civil War, something that probably did happen and was true.
00:19:29.240 So you're not going to base it on birth records.
00:19:32.300 However, the immigration records, the things that should be open, you shouldn't have a problem with this at all.
00:19:39.380 She refused to offer any of those up.
00:19:41.540 And a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by the Associated Press was sent back, explaining the approval of the release had to be authorized by Omar and her husband, and they won't sign off.
00:19:53.820 Now, even Snopes, who's not really in the Donald Trump camp, classifying this not as true or false, but unproven.
00:20:03.180 So let's recap.
00:20:04.700 We have a credible case of immigration fraud by a U.S. representative, and the alleged perpetrator has deleted the visual evidence.
00:20:14.100 She refuses to provide any evidence, the person who is, you know, under the microscope.
00:20:20.240 She's gone radio silent on this issue ever since, and no one is looking into it.
00:20:25.960 Okay, I mean, you'd think that someone would, you know, at the New York Times or Washington Post at least be curious.
00:20:33.820 Why wouldn't the government open a probe?
00:20:36.200 The Associated Press, according to the Associated Press, the Obama administration never started an investigation, and the Trump administration hasn't started an investigation.
00:20:47.580 Okay, what else you got?
00:20:51.840 Well, there's also evidence that Ilhan Omar committed perjury in court.
00:20:56.520 Now, this is where it starts to fall into place.
00:20:59.600 When she filed for a divorce from her possible brother in 2017, Omar claimed that she hadn't seen or made contact with her husband since 2011.
00:21:14.040 She said, I don't even know where my husband is or where he was.
00:21:18.340 It's possible he was somewhere in London.
00:21:20.940 Well, PJ Media went to the Minnesota Family Records Center, and they verified that Omar officially submitted to the court that her last contact with her husband was June 2011.
00:21:38.120 So remember this.
00:21:39.560 She said, I haven't seen him since June 2011, and that's in her divorce records.
00:21:45.400 So in the absence of any journalist doing any work on this at all, the Internet sleuths had to go to work, and they searched Omar's husband's last known location, which was London, right?
00:22:01.100 She said, I haven't seen him, probably in London.
00:22:03.780 So they searched to see if Omar had traveled there between 2011 and 2016.
00:22:08.980 Oops, they found some photos on social media, taken in London back in 2014.
00:22:18.460 The picture is up on the screen now if you happen to be watching.
00:22:22.660 It is taken in 2014.
00:22:25.380 That's Elian Omar and her ex-husband or brother or whatever.
00:22:33.600 So isn't that a pretty strong case for perjury?
00:22:37.380 A case for law enforcement at least to investigate the mainstream media to do some kind of looking into this.
00:22:45.500 Give credit to the Associated Press.
00:22:47.560 They're the only ones that at least ask Omar about this discrepancy, and she refused to address the situation.
00:22:55.900 And Omar's husband, ex-husband, has declined any kind of response either.
00:23:02.020 And by the way, the pictures, yeah, they're mysteriously been deleted.
00:23:05.920 Now, there's one other thing.
00:23:09.660 Omar has been accused by State Representative Steve Drakowski of not one but three campaign finance and ethics violations.
00:23:19.940 The first allegation involves the use of $3,000 in campaign money that was spent on travel to Estonia and Boston.
00:23:27.340 Now, Drakowski claims that these trips were personal in nature.
00:23:32.920 And her response?
00:23:34.560 It should be concerning to his constituents that he's using taxpayer dollars to harass a Muslim candidate.
00:23:40.660 So, in other words, her defense is, I'm a Muslim.
00:23:43.900 The second allegation is that Omar used over $2,000 in campaign finance to pay her lawyer for her divorce proceedings.
00:23:52.060 Omar's response was basically, no, no, it was for something else.
00:23:56.920 And no other explanation has been given.
00:24:00.760 The third allegation is that she made ethics violations after accepting speaker fees from public colleges.
00:24:09.100 Omar would later pay that money back.
00:24:12.000 But, no apology?
00:24:14.300 No, instead, we got this.
00:24:17.500 We recognize how these folks are deeply invested in stopping a progressive, black, Muslim, hijab-wearing, immigrant woman.
00:24:26.120 Boy, intersectionality is working for her.
00:24:29.060 We know these people are part of systems that have historically been disturbingly motivated to silence and discredit and dehumanize influencers who threaten the establishment.
00:24:39.240 Now, it's really interesting that she would use dehumanize.
00:24:45.880 What does that mean?
00:24:48.220 These disturbingly, what did she call them?
00:24:53.400 Disturbingly motivated to discredit and silence and to dehumanize influencers.
00:25:00.700 Let me see if I can explain to Omar what dehumanizing actually looks like from an interview in a hallway that she denies that's what she was saying until she released the video herself, apparently not listening to it, and realized, oh, crap, that's exactly what I said and deleted it.
00:25:24.120 Here's the audio.
00:25:25.360 Listen.
00:25:25.600 Could you just set the record straight so we get your side of it?
00:25:28.840 Do you think that President Obama is the same as President Obama?
00:25:31.340 Absolutely not.
00:25:32.380 That is silly to even think and equate the two.
00:25:36.400 One is human, the other is really not.
00:25:37.780 Is it true that you just think...
00:25:39.380 One is human.
00:25:41.100 One is clearly not.
00:25:44.460 Hmm.
00:25:46.500 Omar, I don't know how they do things in Somalia,
00:25:50.300 but that is the dictionary definition of dehumanizing someone.
00:25:58.960 To claim one is a person, and because I disagree with him, the other one is not.
00:26:07.160 But what is her real story?
00:26:10.700 Where did she come from?
00:26:12.420 How has she been educated?
00:26:14.580 Who are her friends?
00:26:16.380 Who was in her office last week, just as the Democrats decided to change and say,
00:26:25.660 no, no, no, what we're going to say is it's anti-Semitism.
00:26:29.900 It won't be related to her.
00:26:31.920 Anti-Semitism, but also anti-Muslim.
00:26:37.080 Who was in her office as that decision was being made?
00:26:41.300 On tomorrow's episode.
00:26:44.020 It's also on YouTube.
00:26:45.560 You can watch it.
00:26:47.040 We didn't make any money off it.
00:26:49.220 Why get paid for your work?
00:26:51.960 We were demonetized yesterday because of this monologue.
00:26:57.300 Again, an effort to silence us.
00:26:59.860 You can watch it there.
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00:27:21.900 Hey, it's Glenn, and if you like what you hear on the program,
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00:27:41.940 Jeff G.C. is online with us.
00:27:45.040 He has put a bunch of comments out on Twitter
00:27:53.980 that I thought was interesting, a Twitter thread.
00:27:56.940 I'd like to elevate the way we talk about censorship issues.
00:28:00.460 Let me offer a few quick thoughts on language around these issues,
00:28:04.440 how I'm currently thinking about them.
00:28:05.940 We thought we would get him on and have him lay it out for us.
00:28:09.160 Hello, Jeff.
00:28:09.620 How are you?
00:28:10.920 Hey, Glenn.
00:28:11.460 How are you?
00:28:12.260 I'm good.
00:28:13.120 I'm good.
00:28:13.600 Tell me, can you guide us through at all a logical way
00:28:20.120 that we can have freedom of speech, companies can be themselves
00:28:27.940 and, you know, do what they feel is right while still having freedom of speech
00:28:33.500 and getting the government out of bed with these people?
00:28:36.920 Yeah, exactly.
00:28:37.940 So let's try to frame the discussion.
00:28:40.340 I mean, first, we all care about freedom here, right?
00:28:42.860 We want to live in a free society.
00:28:45.380 The question is, what does it mean to live in a free society
00:28:48.720 when there are these incredibly powerful tech companies
00:28:52.000 and global services that have a ton of market share
00:28:54.940 and that, you know, conceivably can kind of kick you off for any reason?
00:28:58.880 Right.
00:28:59.000 So that's what I'm wrestling with.
00:29:01.580 I kind of come at this with this freedom, libertarian type orientation,
00:29:05.420 but I recognize that the issues get a lot more complicated in this era.
00:29:10.460 And so I've been trying to elevate the way we talk about these issues
00:29:14.560 and just advance this dialogue because I think it's incredibly important to the future.
00:29:18.160 So I'm really grateful to be on your show to talk about it.
00:29:21.080 No, I really appreciate it.
00:29:22.960 We do not have serious discussions on this.
00:29:27.100 We have a bunch of politicians throwing things back and forth,
00:29:29.940 and people are just, I think, on this issue, they just,
00:29:34.320 they become outraged by it, and then they don't know what to do,
00:29:37.880 so they just hook their wagon to some politician.
00:29:41.360 And I don't think we're having a serious discussion about this in society.
00:29:46.420 So where do we begin?
00:29:48.560 Right.
00:29:49.200 Well, I think, I mean, I think it begins with talking about it
00:29:52.120 and trying to wrap our heads around it
00:29:54.120 and understand what are the right questions to ask.
00:29:57.500 And I think, you know, we've heard about,
00:29:59.700 just to kind of poke at you a little bit,
00:30:01.240 I mean, we've all heard about the Chinese social credit system
00:30:04.780 where they're monitoring its citizens,
00:30:07.060 and if the citizens don't behave properly,
00:30:09.780 they'll get damaris,
00:30:11.540 and they won't be able to take the train and stuff like that.
00:30:14.100 Well, in our society, a privatized version of totalitarianism
00:30:18.560 is still totalitarianism.
00:30:20.480 Like, in some sense, we're evolving this American social credit system.
00:30:25.680 Hang on, just a sec.
00:30:27.100 When you say poke at me, you don't think I disagree,
00:30:29.400 because I think China is building 1984.
00:30:32.900 We're building Brave New World.
00:30:34.640 It's the same thing.
00:30:36.260 Exactly.
00:30:36.920 It's just privatized.
00:30:37.960 So maybe we don't disagree.
00:30:38.960 So I talk to my friends who are passionate Christians,
00:30:43.960 and they care a lot about religious freedom,
00:30:46.220 and I generally support them.
00:30:48.040 I happen to be a gay guy,
00:30:50.200 but, like, if Masterpiece doesn't want to sell me a cake
00:30:53.700 for my fabulous wedding, that's no big deal.
00:30:56.480 I can go to a different bake shop.
00:30:57.820 Right, right.
00:30:58.420 But if Amazon bans me from selling my books on Amazon
00:31:02.640 for whatever reason, that's really devastating.
00:31:05.040 Correct.
00:31:06.200 However, there is, and I agree with you,
00:31:10.320 but that's where the discussion needs to be.
00:31:12.780 They're a private company,
00:31:14.360 but they're still a massive private company.
00:31:17.540 So I agree with you 100%.
00:31:19.340 We have to talk about that.
00:31:20.440 But how do you balance the libertarian,
00:31:23.220 you know, hey, it's still a private company with...
00:31:27.040 So in my eyes, it comes down to market share
00:31:30.160 and consumer choice.
00:31:31.380 And I think, like, in the case of Christians,
00:31:34.400 I ask them, what's going to happen
00:31:36.780 when the SPLC labels you a Christian extremist
00:31:40.340 because you don't like gay marriage,
00:31:42.600 you don't support gay marriage,
00:31:43.780 which in my book is fine.
00:31:44.840 Like, I can respect that.
00:31:45.880 Right.
00:31:46.340 But what's going to happen
00:31:47.360 when you refuse to bake my cake
00:31:49.120 and then you get banned from Uber?
00:31:51.780 Right?
00:31:52.540 Right.
00:31:53.300 What's going to happen?
00:31:54.160 Like, those are two very different things.
00:31:55.940 So for me, a lot of the discussion
00:31:57.980 comes down to consumer choice.
00:31:59.840 If there's a service
00:32:02.020 that has a ton of market share,
00:32:04.060 like Amazon just dominates book distribution,
00:32:07.540 Uber dominates ride sharing,
00:32:10.640 that is a different...
00:32:11.720 That's a different phenomenon.
00:32:13.340 Or PayPal dominates online payments.
00:32:15.960 That's a different dynamic
00:32:17.140 than if I have lots of choices
00:32:18.880 in the marketplace
00:32:19.660 and there are, like, five bakeries in town
00:32:21.600 and this one doesn't want to make me
00:32:24.060 a fabulous cake,
00:32:24.940 so I'll just go to a different one.
00:32:26.180 So I think that's one element
00:32:28.820 for us to think about.
00:32:30.900 I think another element is...
00:32:32.360 And how do we solve that?
00:32:34.700 Two ways.
00:32:35.580 One is, I think,
00:32:37.560 having a broader conversation
00:32:39.060 about political discrimination
00:32:41.080 and religious discrimination
00:32:42.980 in the commercial landscape
00:32:45.440 because we want to balance
00:32:46.840 the ability for businesses
00:32:48.540 to choose their customers
00:32:49.640 because that's part of their freedom
00:32:50.880 on the one hand.
00:32:52.100 And yet, on the other hand,
00:32:53.340 I think recognizing that
00:32:54.640 with global services
00:32:56.500 that have a ton of market share,
00:32:58.240 like, maybe that's not okay.
00:33:01.080 So...
00:33:01.520 Like, should they be able
00:33:02.520 to ban me from wearing a MAGA hat
00:33:04.500 and go to...
00:33:06.120 Should my bank be able to say,
00:33:07.900 I don't want to serve you
00:33:09.640 because you voted for Trump?
00:33:11.140 Correct.
00:33:11.440 Or should my airline be able to say,
00:33:13.840 you're not allowed to fly
00:33:15.100 on American Airlines anymore
00:33:16.440 because you voted for Trump?
00:33:17.980 Right.
00:33:18.280 Like, that feels very wrong to me.
00:33:19.980 Or my internet service,
00:33:21.480 that may be different
00:33:22.200 because they're a telecommunications app,
00:33:24.120 but my cell phone or whatever
00:33:25.400 could say,
00:33:26.000 I don't want to serve you anymore
00:33:27.380 because you're a Christian extremist.
00:33:30.440 Like, that seems very problematic to me.
00:33:33.640 Correct.
00:33:34.960 And I guess it is market share
00:33:37.240 that makes it so frightening.
00:33:42.060 However, let me push back
00:33:44.600 from a libertarian standpoint.
00:33:46.680 If I create a company
00:33:49.340 and I grow to be huge
00:33:51.260 because there's nobody else
00:33:53.460 that it was doing what I did,
00:33:55.720 and why should I then have...
00:33:58.460 be punished
00:33:59.680 as long as I'm not obstructing...
00:34:03.900 See, this is...
00:34:04.600 I'm tying myself in a knot here, Jeff,
00:34:06.900 because the only thing...
00:34:08.120 The only thing that I cannot solve
00:34:11.180 on the capitalist system
00:34:12.820 is really the de Tocqueville problem.
00:34:15.440 He said in Democracy in America
00:34:17.960 that at some point
00:34:19.120 the rich will get so rich
00:34:20.720 they will kick the door behind them
00:34:22.580 and not allow anybody else to through.
00:34:24.700 And that's true.
00:34:26.260 Now, not all rich people do that,
00:34:28.220 but some do.
00:34:29.200 I talked to Ray Kurzweil,
00:34:30.660 and I said,
00:34:31.560 what makes you think
00:34:32.900 that Google
00:34:33.880 is not going to just
00:34:36.640 notice what I'm doing online
00:34:39.200 and say,
00:34:40.380 they're trying to build a competition
00:34:41.660 to me, to Google,
00:34:42.820 and just start banning them,
00:34:44.600 start changing, you know,
00:34:45.840 the information.
00:34:46.800 Why wouldn't someone
00:34:48.740 who has a dark heart,
00:34:51.300 you know, do that?
00:34:52.720 And he said,
00:34:53.380 because people won't.
00:34:54.640 Like, you don't know people.
00:34:56.020 People will always do
00:34:57.180 that kind of stuff.
00:34:58.340 So I don't know
00:34:59.880 when you have that much power
00:35:01.840 and you don't have
00:35:03.720 the morals
00:35:05.520 to underpinning
00:35:07.180 of saying,
00:35:07.880 you know,
00:35:08.820 no, I don't want
00:35:09.700 to screw people.
00:35:10.720 I made it
00:35:11.420 and somebody else
00:35:12.100 can make it
00:35:12.740 and competition
00:35:13.440 will just make me stronger.
00:35:15.260 I don't know
00:35:15.800 how to solve that.
00:35:17.740 Well, I think
00:35:18.580 you are helping solve it
00:35:21.700 by advancing the conversation.
00:35:23.060 I think one angle,
00:35:24.080 I think there are
00:35:24.440 a lot of different angles.
00:35:25.440 There's no one magic bullet,
00:35:27.420 but I think antitrust
00:35:29.140 is certainly part
00:35:30.560 of the equation here
00:35:31.680 and maybe reevaluating
00:35:33.620 how we think about antitrust
00:35:35.580 and at what point,
00:35:36.760 you know,
00:35:36.940 Elizabeth Warren proposed
00:35:37.940 breaking up tech companies.
00:35:39.520 I don't know
00:35:40.100 if that's a good idea
00:35:40.960 or not,
00:35:41.580 but that is one angle
00:35:43.060 of kind of attack
00:35:45.000 on these issues
00:35:45.880 and I just did an analysis
00:35:47.460 of social media,
00:35:49.640 you know,
00:35:50.040 how much is social media
00:35:51.460 impacting our democratic discourse
00:35:53.680 and what I found
00:35:54.660 is that American use
00:35:57.240 of social media
00:35:58.020 is dominated
00:35:58.620 by eight platforms
00:35:59.860 and Facebook-owned platforms,
00:36:02.680 Facebook itself,
00:36:04.240 Facebook also owns
00:36:05.240 WhatsApp and Instagram,
00:36:06.460 dominates about half
00:36:08.680 of all social media activity
00:36:10.660 among Americans
00:36:12.160 and then Google,
00:36:13.800 Google controls 90%
00:36:16.820 of the search market,
00:36:18.820 so imagine all the times
00:36:20.180 that you're searching
00:36:21.060 for information
00:36:21.860 and on top of that,
00:36:23.740 they own YouTube,
00:36:25.060 which is the most used
00:36:26.300 social media
00:36:27.120 and the dominant
00:36:28.280 video sharing one
00:36:29.920 and they're an investor
00:36:32.980 in Snapchat,
00:36:34.080 which as you know
00:36:35.000 is really popular,
00:36:35.980 especially among young people.
00:36:38.160 So you look at the landscape
00:36:40.660 and we have eight platforms
00:36:41.940 with two companies
00:36:43.220 controlling,
00:36:44.260 you know,
00:36:45.780 how we make sense
00:36:46.800 of the world
00:36:47.280 and filtering the information
00:36:48.620 that we receive
00:36:49.460 and social media is unique
00:36:51.520 because it's participatory.
00:36:53.340 It's not like
00:36:54.460 we're sharing
00:36:55.160 and creating information
00:36:55.700 in addition to consuming it.
00:36:58.860 So what do you think
00:37:00.500 of the argument
00:37:02.840 between platforms
00:37:05.500 and publishers
00:37:08.000 that they're trying
00:37:09.620 to have it both ways?
00:37:10.860 They have the protection
00:37:11.920 of a platform
00:37:12.920 because they could not survive.
00:37:14.860 YouTube couldn't survive
00:37:15.880 if they were going
00:37:16.340 to be sued for everything
00:37:17.340 anybody ever posted.
00:37:19.080 Facebook couldn't survive,
00:37:20.480 but that's a platform
00:37:21.920 and they have to say,
00:37:22.920 I'm an editor,
00:37:24.280 I'm a publisher,
00:37:25.140 or I'm a platform.
00:37:26.280 If you're a platform,
00:37:27.500 you got to let it ride
00:37:28.780 because you can't edit.
00:37:31.000 Otherwise,
00:37:31.800 you are responsible
00:37:33.500 for the content
00:37:34.380 because you're editing
00:37:35.640 unless it's illegal.
00:37:38.080 Why not just make them
00:37:40.220 platforms
00:37:41.180 or publishers
00:37:42.700 and publishing
00:37:44.020 is a total different
00:37:45.240 set of rules
00:37:45.960 and congratulations on that.
00:37:47.500 You're going to get sued
00:37:48.160 all the time.
00:37:50.080 Right.
00:37:50.640 Well, I think,
00:37:51.500 okay,
00:37:51.840 let's talk about policy
00:37:53.020 and then politics
00:37:53.940 because you're referring
00:37:54.900 to Section 230,
00:37:56.840 which is what protects
00:37:58.320 these platforms
00:37:59.140 from getting sued
00:38:00.160 for the content
00:38:00.920 that they're searching.
00:38:02.760 Which seems like
00:38:04.080 that's the root
00:38:06.200 of the problem.
00:38:07.960 Well,
00:38:08.580 but it gets more complicated
00:38:09.820 because let's be honest,
00:38:11.280 like I think
00:38:11.780 threatening
00:38:13.260 to revoke
00:38:14.200 Section 230
00:38:15.020 protection
00:38:16.660 is a really effective
00:38:18.120 political move
00:38:18.960 saying,
00:38:19.820 listen,
00:38:20.620 we're going to pull this,
00:38:21.740 like we're not going
00:38:22.300 to protect you anymore
00:38:23.220 if you're going to act
00:38:23.980 like a publisher
00:38:25.220 and tweak your algorithms
00:38:26.960 and steer people
00:38:28.580 to this politically biased
00:38:29.660 information
00:38:30.380 and disproportionately
00:38:33.460 bias everything
00:38:35.540 against conservatives.
00:38:36.860 Like we're going to,
00:38:37.700 so I think it works
00:38:38.480 politically to threaten it.
00:38:40.160 In practice,
00:38:41.000 I think it's a really bad policy
00:38:42.760 that would basically
00:38:43.460 destroy the internet.
00:38:45.040 So I'm not sure
00:38:46.600 that's exactly,
00:38:47.420 I'm not sure
00:38:47.960 that's exactly
00:38:48.580 the right approach.
00:38:49.480 How would it destroy?
00:38:50.920 I want to understand.
00:38:52.100 I'm not pushing back
00:38:52.840 to be...
00:38:53.800 Well,
00:38:55.060 I think
00:38:55.920 if I could sue Google
00:38:58.240 for anything
00:38:58.940 that Google indexes,
00:39:00.220 that's just going
00:39:00.760 to be a nightmare.
00:39:01.820 Correct.
00:39:02.440 And I think,
00:39:02.780 so I think you're
00:39:03.780 taking a grenade approach
00:39:05.160 when a smarter policy
00:39:07.100 approach would be
00:39:08.000 to a more surgical approach
00:39:10.980 and maybe change
00:39:11.860 the language
00:39:12.500 of requirements
00:39:14.080 around Section 230
00:39:15.680 and get in there
00:39:16.900 and say,
00:39:17.760 you know what,
00:39:18.460 here's,
00:39:18.920 we recognize this thing
00:39:20.060 as,
00:39:20.660 this protection's
00:39:21.620 vital to the internet,
00:39:23.440 but we're going to
00:39:24.220 tweak the language.
00:39:24.900 And if we find that
00:39:26.160 you're having
00:39:26.840 a disproportionate impact
00:39:28.120 or bias
00:39:28.860 against conservatives
00:39:30.340 or against our
00:39:31.240 Democratic discourse...
00:39:32.000 Anybody.
00:39:32.460 Against anybody.
00:39:33.380 Right.
00:39:34.620 Against anybody,
00:39:35.940 then we're going to...
00:39:38.060 So I think
00:39:38.780 a more surgical
00:39:39.720 approach
00:39:40.560 to finessing
00:39:41.540 that language
00:39:42.280 and adding requirements
00:39:43.600 might be a smarter
00:39:44.720 approach than just
00:39:45.500 yanking it.
00:39:46.180 I just assumed
00:39:47.820 that no one
00:39:48.540 in their right mind
00:39:49.680 would take that deal.
00:39:50.780 They would all back up
00:39:51.640 and go,
00:39:52.080 okay, okay, okay, okay.
00:39:53.900 Because you're right,
00:39:54.740 it will shut everything down.
00:39:57.500 It has,
00:39:58.400 that protection
00:39:59.020 has to be provided
00:40:00.440 because no company
00:40:01.680 could handle it.
00:40:04.060 And I just assumed
00:40:05.120 that they would all
00:40:05.680 be wise enough
00:40:06.900 to go,
00:40:07.540 okay, we'll behave.
00:40:09.040 I mean,
00:40:09.600 the reality is
00:40:10.260 these big platforms
00:40:11.260 do have too many
00:40:12.420 legal protections.
00:40:13.600 So I do think
00:40:14.800 that I don't want,
00:40:16.120 I'm not a big fan
00:40:17.040 of litigious culture
00:40:19.380 at all,
00:40:20.280 but I do think
00:40:20.960 that they are
00:40:21.900 overly protected
00:40:22.880 and that we can
00:40:23.620 finesse some
00:40:24.640 of the language.
00:40:25.380 So I think
00:40:25.820 when we look
00:40:26.860 at policy solutions,
00:40:27.900 looking at it
00:40:28.560 more with a scalpel
00:40:29.620 rather than a grenade
00:40:30.980 is a much
00:40:32.000 smarter approach.
00:40:33.840 I mean,
00:40:33.960 I asked some friends
00:40:35.000 what they thought
00:40:35.840 made sense policy-wise
00:40:37.600 and they specified
00:40:39.600 with, you know,
00:40:40.720 platforms with
00:40:41.840 more than
00:40:42.620 several million users,
00:40:44.560 maybe that's when
00:40:45.300 they should fall
00:40:45.860 under certain requirements,
00:40:46.920 right?
00:40:47.240 Because when you have
00:40:47.740 a global platform,
00:40:49.100 that's different
00:40:50.080 than having
00:40:51.040 a local retail shop.
00:40:52.240 Right.
00:40:52.580 We were talking,
00:40:54.160 Jeff,
00:40:54.460 about being demonetized
00:40:57.020 and I'm wondering
00:40:59.300 how much of that
00:41:00.600 is just from
00:41:02.540 companies,
00:41:04.760 advertisers,
00:41:05.880 saying,
00:41:06.500 you know,
00:41:06.720 we're Mercedes-Benz,
00:41:07.380 I don't want
00:41:08.040 anything political,
00:41:09.800 I don't want
00:41:10.580 anything that could
00:41:11.400 be controversial
00:41:12.100 and them just
00:41:13.680 not having
00:41:14.840 different categories
00:41:15.900 or levels
00:41:16.760 and just saying,
00:41:18.400 okay,
00:41:18.660 no advertising
00:41:19.720 because some advertisers
00:41:20.960 don't want this.
00:41:23.060 How much of it is that
00:41:24.940 and how much of it is
00:41:26.360 an agenda
00:41:27.220 to silence?
00:41:29.120 I definitely think
00:41:30.760 there's an agenda
00:41:31.720 to silence.
00:41:32.660 I mean,
00:41:33.040 look at,
00:41:33.620 you may be familiar
00:41:34.480 with Sleeping Giants.
00:41:36.320 That's the name
00:41:36.900 of a left-wing
00:41:37.980 advocacy effort
00:41:40.480 that basically
00:41:41.560 tries to remove
00:41:43.180 threatened advertisers
00:41:44.620 who are advertising
00:41:45.600 on Tucker Carlson's show
00:41:46.900 or on Fox
00:41:47.760 or whatever
00:41:48.260 and they pulled
00:41:50.340 the plug
00:41:50.820 on all of Breitbart's
00:41:52.080 advertising
00:41:52.560 or a lot of their
00:41:53.220 algorithmic advertising
00:41:54.660 so it's pretty devastating
00:41:56.220 for a lot of these
00:41:57.340 businesses
00:41:57.780 and,
00:41:58.800 yeah,
00:41:59.880 so I definitely think
00:42:00.880 the advertising
00:42:01.880 censorship
00:42:02.480 issue is big
00:42:04.480 and it's kind
00:42:05.420 of a structural
00:42:06.080 way to really
00:42:08.180 take the legs
00:42:09.840 out from under
00:42:10.600 conservative media
00:42:11.460 and they're winning
00:42:12.720 on this front
00:42:13.400 for sure.
00:42:14.300 They are.
00:42:14.960 How do we
00:42:15.720 fight back
00:42:17.220 without being
00:42:18.320 them?
00:42:21.820 Well,
00:42:22.520 Glenn,
00:42:22.960 I mean,
00:42:23.480 I think we may
00:42:26.520 have to be them.
00:42:28.600 You know,
00:42:28.940 I think conservatives
00:42:29.740 like to be lofty
00:42:31.440 and pretend like,
00:42:33.340 you know,
00:42:33.760 everything's good
00:42:34.580 and wonderful
00:42:35.500 in the world
00:42:36.180 and the left
00:42:36.880 is taking this
00:42:37.960 by any means
00:42:38.700 necessary approach
00:42:39.940 and that's a recipe
00:42:41.300 for losing
00:42:41.920 and there's a sense
00:42:43.320 in which conservatives
00:42:44.160 are just kind of
00:42:44.920 perpetual losing losers,
00:42:46.760 right?
00:42:47.460 And so I think
00:42:48.240 part of it
00:42:49.980 is bringing the fight
00:42:50.900 back to them,
00:42:51.920 which isn't fun.
00:42:52.940 Nobody likes
00:42:53.520 playing that game,
00:42:55.040 but I think
00:42:56.200 they only stop
00:42:57.140 when we force them
00:42:58.660 to play it
00:42:59.240 by their own rules,
00:43:00.120 as Alinsky
00:43:00.880 would say,
00:43:01.440 right?
00:43:01.840 Exactly right.
00:43:02.980 Yeah,
00:43:03.340 so I think
00:43:03.700 that's one step
00:43:05.040 is to push back,
00:43:07.540 take the offensive.
00:43:08.900 I think a second step
00:43:10.180 is just to stop
00:43:11.280 playing the game.
00:43:13.080 What Tucker Carlson
00:43:14.540 did the other night
00:43:15.620 was phenomenal.
00:43:17.080 When he said,
00:43:17.720 no,
00:43:18.460 I'm not going
00:43:19.040 to let you shame me.
00:43:20.080 No,
00:43:20.740 Fox is standing by me.
00:43:22.220 We're not going
00:43:22.700 to be fired.
00:43:24.620 That is really powerful
00:43:26.300 when people learn
00:43:27.940 to just not take
00:43:29.160 the bait
00:43:29.560 with these outrage
00:43:30.500 campaigns,
00:43:31.860 especially when
00:43:33.620 they're fake ones.
00:43:35.420 Now,
00:43:35.660 with advertisers,
00:43:36.660 it's complicated
00:43:37.360 because,
00:43:38.120 you know,
00:43:39.140 Tucker Carlson's show
00:43:40.160 still is losing advertisers.
00:43:42.080 I'm not exactly sure
00:43:43.320 what to do around that
00:43:44.700 other than making
00:43:45.680 our voices heard
00:43:46.700 and felt
00:43:47.180 with the advertisers
00:43:48.400 and demonstrating
00:43:50.100 to them that,
00:43:50.960 like,
00:43:51.100 hey,
00:43:51.380 this is almost
00:43:52.400 a mutually,
00:43:53.280 we need to get
00:43:54.200 in the mutually
00:43:54.940 assured destruction
00:43:55.920 mode where,
00:43:57.320 okay,
00:43:58.640 we can play this game,
00:44:00.560 but that's going
00:44:01.540 to be a nightmare
00:44:02.100 for advertisers
00:44:02.940 when you're boycotting us
00:44:04.740 and we're boycotting you
00:44:05.780 and all this stuff,
00:44:06.680 or we could just
00:44:07.800 not play this game.
00:44:09.240 And I think the only way
00:44:10.040 to get to that position
00:44:11.140 is by threatening
00:44:12.940 the left back
00:44:14.140 and saying,
00:44:15.440 no,
00:44:16.080 you know,
00:44:16.340 we don't play that.
00:44:17.220 We're not going
00:44:17.540 to do that anymore.
00:44:18.720 Yeah.
00:44:19.040 And also,
00:44:20.580 I think one third step
00:44:22.440 is getting our dollars
00:44:23.980 together.
00:44:25.160 AstraZeneca,
00:44:25.900 if they're going
00:44:26.340 to pull their ads
00:44:27.120 from Tucker Carlson,
00:44:28.900 you know,
00:44:29.280 well,
00:44:29.460 maybe that's not
00:44:29.960 the best example
00:44:30.720 because people
00:44:31.200 need their meds.
00:44:32.860 Right.
00:44:33.760 But,
00:44:33.840 like,
00:44:34.340 you know,
00:44:35.380 pick your service.
00:44:36.420 If you're going
00:44:37.140 to,
00:44:37.260 like,
00:44:37.540 not advertise,
00:44:39.040 we're going
00:44:39.480 to boycott your service.
00:44:40.720 And so,
00:44:41.100 getting organized
00:44:41.840 to make them
00:44:42.900 pay a price
00:44:43.640 for that behavior
00:44:44.840 is another thing
00:44:45.920 we can do.
00:44:51.180 You're listening
00:44:52.000 to the best
00:44:52.700 of the Glenn Beck
00:44:53.380 program.
00:45:04.200 Dr. Will Riley
00:45:05.720 is with us now.
00:45:07.820 Doctor,
00:45:08.980 how are you,
00:45:09.860 sir?
00:45:10.800 Good.
00:45:11.320 How are you?
00:45:11.820 Very good.
00:45:13.120 You should refer
00:45:13.720 to me as a doctor
00:45:14.500 as well.
00:45:15.060 I'm,
00:45:15.340 of course,
00:45:16.220 a doctor of humanities,
00:45:17.300 which means I can operate
00:45:18.480 on any portion
00:45:19.360 of the body.
00:45:20.220 I don't know
00:45:20.680 if you know that,
00:45:21.180 but...
00:45:21.980 Or at least
00:45:22.620 the mind.
00:45:24.700 Or none of it.
00:45:25.620 Anyway,
00:45:26.240 you are a real
00:45:27.780 professor,
00:45:28.740 a doctor
00:45:29.060 of political science,
00:45:30.300 and you have
00:45:31.200 looked through
00:45:33.060 all of the
00:45:34.020 hate crimes
00:45:35.420 that have been
00:45:36.400 reported
00:45:36.860 over the,
00:45:37.340 what,
00:45:37.440 last 15 years?
00:45:39.880 Well,
00:45:40.400 it's actually
00:45:41.060 a closer
00:45:41.740 time frame
00:45:42.460 than that,
00:45:42.880 or a narrower
00:45:43.420 time frame.
00:45:44.180 I mean,
00:45:44.340 my book focuses
00:45:45.160 in,
00:45:46.040 on really
00:45:46.440 the last
00:45:46.820 five years.
00:45:47.940 Five years.
00:45:48.140 My research
00:45:48.620 window was
00:45:49.520 2012
00:45:50.220 to 2017.
00:45:52.160 So I guess
00:45:52.480 last six
00:45:53.180 and a half
00:45:53.560 years now.
00:45:54.860 But yeah,
00:45:55.280 what I find
00:45:56.180 is that a
00:45:56.880 very large
00:45:57.620 number,
00:45:58.020 I wouldn't say
00:45:58.580 of all
00:45:59.200 hate crimes,
00:45:59.820 if you look
00:46:00.180 at the
00:46:00.360 allegation
00:46:00.740 that someone
00:46:01.080 had a word
00:46:01.680 shouted at them
00:46:02.460 outside of
00:46:02.880 fraternity party
00:46:03.620 and either
00:46:04.040 black or
00:46:04.500 white individual,
00:46:05.600 but a very
00:46:06.020 large percentage
00:46:06.940 of the high
00:46:07.600 profile,
00:46:08.520 widely reported
00:46:09.420 recent hate crimes,
00:46:10.520 more than half
00:46:11.340 have been faked.
00:46:12.540 So I mean,
00:46:12.840 we saw Jussie Smollett
00:46:14.240 a couple weeks
00:46:15.180 ago now,
00:46:16.440 man claimed
00:46:17.160 that he was
00:46:17.700 beaten up
00:46:18.360 at two o'clock
00:46:18.960 in the morning
00:46:19.560 in Chicago
00:46:20.260 by two white
00:46:21.760 bodybuilders
00:46:22.480 with MAGA hats
00:46:23.300 on.
00:46:23.560 They turned out
00:46:23.900 to be Nigerian
00:46:24.800 that had a rope,
00:46:26.080 a gallon bottle
00:46:26.700 of bleach.
00:46:28.560 They chanted
00:46:29.400 build the wall,
00:46:30.400 this is MAGA
00:46:30.920 country.
00:46:31.540 That turned out
00:46:32.220 to be a complete
00:46:32.740 fraud.
00:46:33.260 He's currently
00:46:33.600 facing 16
00:46:34.660 felony charges.
00:46:36.780 Literally a week
00:46:37.640 before that,
00:46:38.260 we saw Covington
00:46:39.140 Catholic where the
00:46:40.040 claim was that
00:46:40.680 this group
00:46:41.100 of prep school
00:46:41.800 athletes had
00:46:42.580 surrounded a
00:46:43.780 literal Native
00:46:44.400 American Indian
00:46:45.220 elder.
00:46:45.840 I think he was
00:46:46.220 a shaman.
00:46:47.140 They chanted
00:46:47.660 build the wall.
00:46:48.640 They tried to
00:46:49.060 take his tribe's
00:46:49.960 sacred rain drum.
00:46:52.180 And going back
00:46:53.340 through a whole
00:46:53.780 bunch of these,
00:46:54.440 I mean,
00:46:54.620 you've got
00:46:54.880 Eastern Michigan,
00:46:56.020 the graffiti
00:46:56.600 incidents targeting
00:46:57.720 African American
00:46:58.500 students,
00:46:59.180 allegedly.
00:47:00.380 Air Force Academy
00:47:01.380 where a general
00:47:02.320 literally had to
00:47:03.140 show up on campus
00:47:03.900 and speak denouncing
00:47:04.940 racism.
00:47:06.120 A young black
00:47:06.800 girl in Grand Rapids
00:47:07.860 who claimed that
00:47:08.460 boorish white men
00:47:09.300 literally urinates
00:47:10.040 on her,
00:47:10.680 pretty painful to
00:47:11.420 read.
00:47:12.380 Key in college
00:47:13.440 with the death
00:47:14.120 threats,
00:47:15.220 Wisconsin Parkside
00:47:16.240 with the nooses,
00:47:17.520 just a few more.
00:47:18.260 But I mean,
00:47:18.520 UVA,
00:47:19.260 the Virginia
00:47:19.780 quote unquote
00:47:20.220 rape scandal
00:47:20.980 a couple of years
00:47:21.680 ago where the
00:47:22.100 fraternities were
00:47:22.840 allegedly running
00:47:23.800 anti-feminist rape
00:47:25.620 rings that made
00:47:26.480 the front cover
00:47:27.200 of Rolling Stone,
00:47:28.580 kind of the OG
00:47:29.260 scandal,
00:47:30.020 Duke La Crosse.
00:47:31.020 All of these
00:47:31.660 turned out to be
00:47:32.480 fake.
00:47:33.940 And because I
00:47:35.400 personally had
00:47:36.360 some connection
00:47:36.940 with two fake
00:47:37.840 hate crime incidents
00:47:38.760 in Chicago
00:47:39.440 as a graduate
00:47:40.320 student,
00:47:41.420 one of the
00:47:41.840 city's best
00:47:42.400 known sort of
00:47:42.920 young hipster
00:47:43.660 bars burned
00:47:44.440 down.
00:47:45.080 The owner
00:47:45.660 said that this
00:47:46.260 was because he
00:47:46.760 was a gay man.
00:47:47.580 That turned out
00:47:48.220 to be false.
00:47:49.000 I became interested
00:47:49.940 in why there
00:47:51.060 was this remarkably
00:47:51.900 high rate of
00:47:53.000 false reporting
00:47:53.860 in this category.
00:47:55.540 So I mean,
00:47:55.940 I think there's
00:47:56.220 some good jokes
00:47:56.760 and so on in the
00:47:57.340 book,
00:47:57.540 but I used
00:47:57.960 modern scientific
00:47:58.860 technology to look
00:48:00.220 into why.
00:48:01.600 So what you
00:48:02.280 found,
00:48:02.960 I'll let you
00:48:04.280 reveal,
00:48:05.160 but it is,
00:48:06.280 it's very
00:48:08.800 Saul Alinsky
00:48:09.720 in a way,
00:48:10.760 it's very
00:48:11.260 progressive in a
00:48:12.640 way,
00:48:13.340 that people
00:48:15.080 feel justified
00:48:17.460 in doing it.
00:48:19.580 Yeah,
00:48:20.160 well I think
00:48:20.560 that's an
00:48:21.560 excellent point.
00:48:23.080 So I think
00:48:23.780 there are a
00:48:24.060 couple of
00:48:24.380 levels there.
00:48:25.000 The first is
00:48:25.680 just that there
00:48:26.300 are a very
00:48:27.220 large number
00:48:28.000 of hate crime
00:48:28.900 hoaxes and
00:48:29.460 frauds.
00:48:30.600 This isn't
00:48:31.300 as it's
00:48:31.740 sometimes
00:48:32.180 presented,
00:48:33.120 I think there's
00:48:33.580 an article in
00:48:34.180 Vox actually
00:48:34.820 after Jesse
00:48:35.320 Smollett,
00:48:36.040 just a few
00:48:36.660 cases being
00:48:37.540 amplified by
00:48:38.300 the right.
00:48:39.160 I mean,
00:48:39.600 putting together
00:48:40.180 hopes,
00:48:40.720 I was able
00:48:41.200 to fairly
00:48:41.820 easily compile
00:48:42.740 a data set
00:48:43.380 of 409
00:48:44.520 confirmed hate
00:48:45.280 crime hoaxes.
00:48:46.540 That's currently
00:48:47.180 up to 516.
00:48:49.000 Almost all of
00:48:49.900 these occurred
00:48:50.620 within the last
00:48:51.240 five years.
00:48:51.940 As I said,
00:48:52.480 that data set's
00:48:53.020 available to anyone
00:48:53.580 who wants it,
00:48:54.100 by the way.
00:48:54.780 I've gone on a
00:48:55.320 range of right
00:48:55.900 and left media.
00:48:56.720 I'm very
00:48:56.980 confident in that.
00:48:58.260 Would you put
00:49:00.100 what was the
00:49:01.460 kid's name
00:49:02.300 that was killed
00:49:03.040 with the hoodie,
00:49:04.320 you know,
00:49:04.560 this could be
00:49:04.980 my son?
00:49:06.260 Trayvon Martin.
00:49:06.900 Would you put
00:49:07.600 Trayvon Martin
00:49:08.280 in that category?
00:49:10.280 No,
00:49:10.640 actually,
00:49:11.140 because I think
00:49:12.180 this is something
00:49:12.700 that will be
00:49:13.060 challenged,
00:49:13.440 not just in that
00:49:14.240 public sector
00:49:15.020 where I enjoy
00:49:15.500 debating and
00:49:16.040 arguing,
00:49:16.360 but in academia,
00:49:17.160 I defined a
00:49:18.720 hate crime hoax
00:49:19.560 very narrowly,
00:49:20.600 actually.
00:49:20.860 The data set
00:49:21.340 usually could be
00:49:22.000 three or four
00:49:22.500 times as large
00:49:23.160 as it is.
00:49:24.400 And I explicitly
00:49:25.640 didn't include
00:49:26.420 most sexual
00:49:27.300 assaults.
00:49:27.900 There's a fairly
00:49:28.320 high rate of
00:49:28.920 false reporting
00:49:29.460 there as well,
00:49:30.160 especially on the
00:49:30.800 campus.
00:49:31.720 And I explicitly
00:49:32.840 didn't include a
00:49:34.100 lot of these
00:49:34.500 police shootings.
00:49:35.500 And the reason
00:49:36.560 for that is that
00:49:37.140 there was no
00:49:37.680 filed charge of
00:49:39.220 hate crime.
00:49:39.960 The initial
00:49:40.300 allegation was that
00:49:41.100 this is a hate
00:49:41.940 crime per se.
00:49:43.060 But if you look
00:49:43.520 at a bunch of
00:49:43.960 those, like
00:49:44.320 Michael Brown,
00:49:45.020 that is, I
00:49:45.920 would say,
00:49:46.300 an additional
00:49:46.840 example, a
00:49:47.660 different type
00:49:48.180 of example of
00:49:48.800 a false
00:49:49.280 created narrative.
00:49:50.580 If you remember
00:49:51.480 hands up, don't
00:49:52.440 shoot.
00:49:53.860 The gentle
00:49:54.780 giant, he was
00:49:55.780 walking away from
00:49:56.640 the police.
00:49:57.260 They said he had
00:49:57.680 tears on his
00:49:58.360 face.
00:49:58.900 And he was
00:49:59.640 shot down in
00:50:00.240 cold blood.
00:50:01.340 It turns out that
00:50:02.160 Michael Brown had
00:50:03.040 committed a strong
00:50:03.860 armed robbery of
00:50:05.140 another person of
00:50:06.080 color, sympathetic
00:50:06.860 local store owner
00:50:07.820 well-liked, earlier
00:50:08.780 that day.
00:50:10.000 He came into
00:50:10.660 conflict with the
00:50:11.400 police because he
00:50:12.100 was walking
00:50:12.780 literally down the
00:50:14.200 median of a
00:50:14.760 busy street.
00:50:15.720 Cop couldn't
00:50:16.140 tolerate that, got
00:50:16.860 out of his car to
00:50:17.460 confront him.
00:50:18.840 Brown grabbed the
00:50:19.520 officer's gun.
00:50:20.600 These are big men.
00:50:21.360 I mean, Michael
00:50:21.700 Brown was 17, 18,
00:50:22.920 6'5".
00:50:23.460 Darren Wilson was
00:50:24.000 6'4".
00:50:24.660 There's a vicious
00:50:25.480 struggle.
00:50:26.180 Brown's fingerprints
00:50:27.020 are on the slide
00:50:28.120 of the weapon, the
00:50:28.800 trigger guard of the
00:50:29.520 weapon.
00:50:30.220 I mean, I'm a pistol
00:50:30.900 instructor, I know
00:50:31.460 what that means.
00:50:32.380 Wilson finally
00:50:32.980 discharged, I
00:50:33.580 believe, two shots
00:50:34.360 and unfortunately
00:50:34.940 there's a death.
00:50:36.320 But many of those
00:50:37.460 narratives, and this
00:50:38.420 will be in my next
00:50:39.040 book actually, but
00:50:40.240 many of these
00:50:40.760 narratives that come
00:50:41.540 out of the Black
00:50:42.180 Lives Matter movement
00:50:42.980 and also the alt-right
00:50:44.020 response to that, by
00:50:44.920 the way, are in
00:50:45.780 addition fictional.
00:50:47.060 But those are not
00:50:48.080 in this book.
00:50:48.820 This is just about
00:50:49.440 fake hate crimes, and
00:50:50.400 there were more than
00:50:51.060 enough to fill up a
00:50:51.760 book.
00:50:52.980 You know, I want to
00:50:54.560 go deeper into this
00:50:55.840 with you.
00:50:56.260 I'm going to take a
00:50:56.840 break for a minute.
00:50:58.040 But I have to ask you
00:50:59.140 this.
00:51:00.020 You're also a gun
00:51:03.420 instructor?
00:51:03.880 Yeah, I'm a pistol
00:51:06.100 instructor for the
00:51:07.240 National Rifle
00:51:07.900 Association.
00:51:08.500 I also do hand-to-hand
00:51:09.640 combat martial arts.
00:51:10.740 But I mean, the
00:51:11.220 ability to kill your
00:51:12.200 enemies is exactly
00:51:13.000 equivalent to the
00:51:13.560 right to be free.
00:51:15.380 How the hell are you
00:51:16.240 a professor?
00:51:17.360 I mean, you are an
00:51:19.140 oddball.
00:51:20.340 How did you get that
00:51:22.500 job?
00:51:23.840 Or keep, let me say
00:51:24.760 that, how did you keep
00:51:26.020 that job?
00:51:27.420 Well, there's a funny
00:51:28.300 answer there, and that's
00:51:29.160 that I teach at a
00:51:29.780 historically black
00:51:30.520 college.
00:51:31.740 Political correctness,
00:51:32.880 minorities, blacks and
00:51:33.960 Asians, tend to vote for
00:51:35.160 conservative but
00:51:36.080 democratic political
00:51:37.160 candidates.
00:51:37.680 Vote heavily for the
00:51:38.360 Democrats.
00:51:38.880 I'd like to see that
00:51:39.720 change so there's more
00:51:40.920 valuation of your vote.
00:51:42.220 But the entire far-left
00:51:43.960 culture of outrage,
00:51:46.120 whether that's the
00:51:47.880 trans movement, perhaps,
00:51:49.460 or constant marches
00:51:51.000 through campus against
00:51:51.880 racism, that's to a
00:51:53.580 large extent absent from
00:51:54.800 the black colleges, where
00:51:55.760 everyone in leadership is
00:51:56.820 an upper-middle-class
00:51:57.660 black guy.
00:51:58.840 So, I mean, I would say
00:51:59.800 that probably 20%
00:52:01.000 of our professors are
00:52:02.500 conservatives, I would
00:52:03.860 say.
00:52:04.200 I've gotten really no
00:52:05.200 backlash about writing
00:52:06.100 the book.
00:52:06.800 So it is interesting to
00:52:08.020 contrast that at
00:52:08.840 Kentucky State.
00:52:09.720 Wow.
00:52:10.600 Wow.
00:52:11.020 It's interesting to
00:52:11.520 contract that with a
00:52:13.300 primarily white
00:52:14.440 institution of
00:52:15.880 equivalent size and
00:52:16.880 rank, where you'd be
00:52:17.420 talking about
00:52:17.800 Evergreen State,
00:52:19.400 Portland State,
00:52:20.860 Drake.
00:52:22.020 So, again, obviously
00:52:23.920 heavily Democratic
00:52:25.000 voters to some extent
00:52:26.220 when we vote in the
00:52:27.340 black community.
00:52:27.960 But every single
00:52:29.580 one of the most
00:52:30.680 extreme, outraged
00:52:32.100 leftists I've ever
00:52:33.060 met is a privileged
00:52:33.860 upper-middle-class
00:52:34.540 white kid.
00:52:35.440 So I actually think
00:52:36.480 that where I am
00:52:37.440 teaching, it's fairly
00:52:39.000 accepted that I've
00:52:39.840 written a right-leaning
00:52:40.580 book.
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