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00:01:59.520 So, I read this article from brownstone.org about a week ago, I think, and it came out from Jeffrey

00:02:08.720 Tucker, and he reviewed Jeremy Farrar's book. Jeremy Farrar is a professor at Oxford University.

00:02:19.280 He's the head of the Wellcome Trust, which is, he's the largest private investor in gain of function

00:02:32.000 and other things like that. Sketchy, I think, sketchy things. And he is, he was very, very involved over in

00:02:42.140 the UK with the messaging and everything else and all of the lockdowns, et cetera, et cetera.

00:02:49.460 But Jeffrey Tucker, as he's reviewing his book, he says, there's some things in here that kind of

00:02:58.060 poke its head out at you. He says, let me just quote some of the book. Now, this is, again,

00:03:07.400 written by the guy who was Anthony Fauci. By the second week of January, I was beginning to realize

00:03:13.880 the scale of what was happening. I was also getting the uncomfortable feeling that some of the information

00:03:18.940 needed by scientists all around the world to detect and fight this new disease was not being disclosed as

00:03:25.160 fast as it could be. I didn't know it then, but a fraught few weeks lay ahead. In those weeks,

00:03:31.720 I became exhausted and scared. I felt as though I were living a different person's life. During that

00:03:38.320 period, I would do things I've never done before. Acquire a burner phone, hold clandestine meetings,

00:03:46.560 keep difficult secrets. I would have a surreal conversation with my wife, Christiane,

00:03:51.920 who persuaded me that we should let the people closest to us know what was going on.

00:03:57.820 I phoned my brother and my best friend to give them my temporary number. In hushed conversations,

00:04:03.560 I sketched out the possibility of a looming global health crisis that had the potential to read as

00:04:10.400 bioterrorism. If anything happens to me in the next few weeks, I told them nervously,

00:04:15.140 this is what you need to know. Wow. That's, and that's just the beginning of this. Jeffrey Tucker

00:04:24.300 is, uh, is here. He's the one who brought this to my attention. Jeffrey, how are you, sir?

00:04:30.700 Good. I love, I love hearing all that stuff. That's just great. You know, he wrote this,

00:04:35.340 uh, Farrar wrote this in, uh, in, uh, the book came out in August. I, how did we miss this? How,

00:04:41.780 I mean, this is crazy. I don't know. Yeah, I agree. I, I, I tend to read all these books because

00:04:48.380 I'm just voracious. I've been writing about this ridiculous subject since January, 2020. So I'm, 0.76

00:04:53.760 you know, uh, I love this stuff, but when the book came out and you've got to figure he wrote this

00:04:58.460 over the summer, I think there, there might've been more of an atmosphere of openness, uh, back

00:05:04.340 then, uh, that's since been sort of closed. They've gotten more hush hush since that time. And I think

00:05:09.440 maybe Farrar thought it was okay to reveal all this stuff since the pandemic is ending and everything

00:05:15.640 was kind of calming down and he wanted to write, uh, his story. Um, but now looking at it, um, you know,

00:05:23.600 after all this time, here we are in January, 2022, it, it, it's spooky and it, and it plays right

00:05:30.500 into, uh, uh, a sense that we've all had something with very, very wrong world, somewhere between,

00:05:38.760 uh, the middle of January and then the middle of March. So, you know, what was going on? And we know

00:05:46.480 now from their own words, what they were doing for the better part of, uh, a month or six weeks,

00:05:53.440 they were trying to figure out if this was a lab leak, if the lab leak, and there were,

00:05:59.060 he reports to being 80% sure that it was, and whether the leak was deliberate or accidental

00:06:05.000 didn't really, uh, matter to them. They needed to figure out the political spin. So here you have,

00:06:13.580 and, and, you know, they got on these meetings. This is, I think he reports of something like January

00:06:18.320 30th. Yeah. They had a profound, this is likely a leak. So they met in a zoom call on February the

00:06:25.700 first. Um, you know, so Collins and Favre and Fauci and various other, uh, health, uh, uh,

00:06:34.760 scientists with, with whom they were connected and began to sort of mop and map out the strategy for

00:06:40.520 dealing with the lab leak. And it's, it's not that now, I mean, he even said 80% chance. Um,

00:06:47.680 he, I mean, why would you have burner phones and clandestine meetings? Why would you be worried

00:06:52.040 about somebody offing you if this was a, if this was natural, it, that, that doesn't make any sense

00:06:59.160 at all. No, it doesn't make any sense at all. And I guess from my point of view, especially I've never

00:07:06.020 been a, I'm not enough of a scientist or expert to know if it's a lab leak or not. And in some sense,

00:07:11.400 it doesn't actually matter. What matters is that they believed that it was okay. So that's what

00:07:17.720 dictated their, their, their response. So here you have the world's top, most influential ruling

00:07:23.800 class, public health, um, I guess, experts, blah, blah, blah. Instead of trying to figure out the

00:07:29.580 demographics of, of deaths, the nature of the virus, you know, the best therapeutics, for example,

00:07:34.860 uh, and, and being honest and open with the public about what was coming and what to do,

00:07:40.380 they spent that critical whole month of February plotting a response, a political spin. It basically

00:07:49.780 engaged in a coverup in his own words with burner phones, clandestine meetings, uh, sleepless nights,

00:07:56.220 and so on. So I think it's just a scandal. And, and you can look at other information that shows that

00:08:02.880 that report that came out of nature magazine saying, Oh, it's not a lab leak. That was written

00:08:08.940 four days following that first zoom call. And, but here's, what's interesting about that article.

00:08:17.840 They sat on it for the better part of February and didn't release it until March 17th. Now that

00:08:27.880 was the day after the, uh, Fauci Burks, uh, Trump news conference announcing, uh, the national

00:08:35.020 lockdowns the day following. And suddenly they're, they're telling the whole world, it's natural.

00:08:40.720 It's not a lab leak. So all of this is just, you can say, Oh, that's just a coincidence. I don't

00:08:46.680 think so. They planned this whole thing out. And of course that article came under grueling

00:08:51.340 criticism for the rest of the year. And now we know it was just, it's just nonsense,

00:08:55.540 but it's political spin. Uh, so, so tell me, tell me a little bit, tell, tell me a little

00:09:03.560 bit about Jeremy Farrar and the, the welcome trust, because from what I understand, I know

00:09:08.820 very little about it, but welcome trust is a group that I think up until the eighties,

00:09:15.100 maybe the nineties still were kind of embracing eugenics. Uh, I mean, it's a really kind of 0.75

00:09:21.400 spooky, uh, group, isn't it? Or do I have that wrong?

00:09:27.600 Uh, that's my understanding. So we, I don't think we have anything in the U S like it, except

00:09:33.800 maybe the Gates, you know, Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, maybe, but it is private, but

00:09:38.600 it's funded by a lot of pharmaceutical industries too. And they dole out a lot of money for research.

00:09:44.420 So they've got every sort of public health scientists in England on their payroll. So

00:09:50.540 Farrar is a very powerful guy. Like Fauci is in this country with NIH. I mean, the NIH controls

00:09:57.080 50 billion. I don't know what the numbers are for welcome trust, but it's a, it's right up

00:10:01.340 there. So, uh, he's a very powerful figure. I mean, we're right up there with Fauci and

00:10:06.180 the rest of them. And they really important guy. And he believes like Fauci in gain of function

00:10:11.920 research. Oh, sure. No, they're, they're all dedicated to this, this disgusting, uh,

00:10:20.400 thing. Um, they think it's the coolest thing going and they, you know, and they, they were

00:10:25.120 working very closely with their friends at the Wuhan lab. And we know this, uh, they, that's

00:10:30.620 what, you know, that's where they got the information about the possible lab leak. And

00:10:33.360 they're trying to get the information out now, uh, Glenn, I didn't go into it, but there's

00:10:37.900 so much we need to learn here, but there's, but we know from Fauci's emails that, that

00:10:44.780 the U S UK and Australia all sent a delegation to China in the middle of February. I mean,

00:10:51.680 somewhere between like, I don't know, the 14th and 16th. It's very difficult for me to

00:10:55.120 reconstruct these timelines because it's all so confusing. We have just mixed information,

00:10:59.100 but there's definitely a delegation that went to China to figure out how it is that

00:11:03.960 they so successfully controlled the virus through lockdowns, you know? So they come

00:11:10.240 back from that and this is all because it's tax paid and whatever in part, uh, they come

00:11:16.140 back from that going up, kind of just figured out how to control this virus. We know now how

00:11:21.780 to do it. We have to lock everybody in their homes, quarantine, everybody, control the population 0.88

00:11:26.780 and socially distance and so on. So then they had, you know, following that little junket

00:11:32.060 to China, they had a full month to kind of work out the details and very crucially, very

00:11:37.900 importantly, they had to persuade Trump to do it. They had to persuade Trump to destroy the Trump

00:11:45.960 economy. Uh, how'd they do it for, for, uh, well, um, now that's what, you know, it's pretty

00:11:54.680 interesting because Scott Atlas reports a lot of this, but, um, so they, they went, first of all,

00:12:02.940 they relied on Burks because they figured Burks, he liked Burks and he didn't like Fauci. So they

00:12:07.380 relied on her. She went into him and persuaded him that this virus is from China. It might have come

00:12:14.660 from a lab, uh, and we needed to stop it. Uh, and there's a metric we're going to use, uh, called

00:12:22.120 cases. We're going to keep cases at a very minimum. There are not that many cases here. Now, if we shut

00:12:26.840 down the world, shut down the country, shut down all bars and restaurants and so on for two weeks,

00:12:33.220 then we'll get ahead of it. Uh, Trump, I think it was just a small meeting, right? We're talking

00:12:40.580 about Fauci, Burks, Kushner and Kushner had two friends, um, uh, with him and they just met in the

00:12:49.680 office and Trump immediately agreed. He said, okay, I'll do that. Now that was, uh, that was

00:12:54.880 over the weekend of March 12th and 13th. He had already shut down travel from Europe, but it was

00:13:00.820 that Saturday and Sunday where they mapped out a strategy for the lockdown. So, cause my feeling

00:13:07.240 was at the time that two weeks, what was a reasonable thing to do? Um, and then it just

00:13:15.120 started to morph. Uh, we didn't know what we were dealing with. So it, it was presented to him. Um,

00:13:22.700 uh, it seems almost kind of casually like, look, this is really going to be bad. Uh, but if we just

00:13:30.020 do it for two weeks, but I don't think that was their plan, was it?

00:13:33.980 No, they needed two weeks just to kind of warm them up to the idea. Then after two weeks,

00:13:41.140 they, uh, uh, went further and said, uh, listen, we've made a lot of progress, but if you open up

00:13:46.980 right now, you're going to reverse that progress. We need another two weeks. Then after two more

00:13:51.040 weeks, I went to him and said, and then finally Trump. And meanwhile, Trump is being praised by

00:13:56.020 the media, right? Right. So that was an unusual thing for me. He couldn't get, couldn't get over

00:13:59.780 that. Actually. He sort of liked that. He said, wow, everybody likes me. Uh, yeah, that worked out

00:14:06.440 well. Um, and so he gradually, gradually came around. Glenn, let me, can I just back up just

00:14:11.400 slightly? Because there's something, there's something interesting that I might've skipped

00:14:14.420 over in the last week of February, because how she was writing CBS news at the time. I'm talking

00:14:22.400 about like say February 25th saying, uh, uh, this virus is going to come. It's going to become

00:14:28.640 endemic. We don't need a vaccine. Uh, it's, it's going to be bad, but, uh, it's, we're going

00:14:35.920 to get through it because he's more or less saying what I would call like quasi rational

00:14:40.400 things. Right. Um, and then about, about, uh, about, about two days later, the first

00:14:46.900 evidence I can find where Fauci changes his mind, uh, on this is, I'm not going to say

00:14:52.520 two days. I think it was February 26th. He writes a private email of all people to Morgan

00:14:57.400 Fairchild. You probably remember her as the kind of the eighties actress, you know? Yes.

00:15:04.080 It couldn't get any more bizarre. Now Morgan Fairchild is in on this. Yeah. All right.

00:15:08.640 Morgan. Yeah. And she, she played Dottie and Peewee's big adventure, you know? Right. Um,

00:15:14.340 anyway, he's Fauci old man, you know, was convinced that she's a powerful social media figure that

00:15:21.520 everybody listened to. And he writes her and says, listen, you need to start warming people up to the

00:15:25.480 idea of lockdowns. We might have to close schools and churches and businesses and everything else.

00:15:29.320 That I think was February 26th. Now the, uh, very next day, the New York times, uh, very powerful

00:15:38.840 daily podcast hosted by Marco, Michael Barbaro with their top virus reporter named Donald J. McNeil.

00:15:45.420 And they, they ran, you know, a 20, 30 minute interview with the guy in which he's really

00:15:52.840 predicting the plague. Right. So he, he predicts something like four and a half million Americans

00:15:57.000 are going to die, makes no reference to the demographics of death, just really a level of

00:16:03.860 panic. That was very uncharacteristic for the New York times, right? Very. Why would the New York times 0.99

00:16:10.000 be trying to whip up a public frenzy over, over the coming disease? I mean, it's, it's just not

00:16:17.220 the style of the newspaper. Jeffrey, I'm going to have to have you back because, uh, I've only got

00:16:21.440 a couple of minutes here left in this segment, but, um, uh, go ahead and let's finish what, what you,

00:16:27.080 uh, what you just started. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, well, this concerns, uh, Donald McNeil,

00:16:33.560 right. Uh, the report now, uh, so he writes an article February 28th saying we should go medieval

00:16:40.460 on this. We shouldn't use traditional public health. We should shut everybody in their homes

00:16:43.720 and lock down the highways and block the planes and so on. So it gets crazy stuff, right? I just

00:16:48.800 don't believe that the New York times would be saying these things unless they had some kind of

00:16:53.420 green light from NIH, NIH, Fauci and Collins and the rest of it. In other words, this was the turning

00:17:01.260 point sometime between February, say February 20th and February 28th, uh, when I, you know,

00:17:09.420 for lack of a better term, the ruling class decided that they're going to destroy everything.

00:17:14.400 And, uh, it's super creepy. And I, we've got, there's so much we need to know. Donald McNeil,

00:17:20.160 by the way, it was later sacrificed, as you well know, uh, fired from his job and so on. Um,

00:17:25.640 once he played his appointed role, he was no longer useful. And so he was, now he's just writing

00:17:30.980 himself to attack by himself. It's COVID by the way. Jeff is really weird. I feel like we live

00:17:37.900 in a, a Jason Bourne movie, you know, it's bizarre. I agree with you. And you know, as much,

00:17:47.220 and you think about this stuff all the time as I do. And I, I obsessively read every, uh, leak,

00:17:53.140 everything. And I feel like I only understand, you know, maybe 15%. Oh yeah. Yeah. There is so

00:18:02.040 much investigation. It's going to consume us for the next, uh, long time. Yeah. Uh, Jeffrey,

00:18:08.700 I'd love to have you back and we'll continue to tell the story. Um, you're a great storyteller and,

00:18:12.920 and thank you for all of your hard work on this. Uh, Jeffrey Tucker, you can follow him

00:18:18.200 at his website, uh, brownstone.org or on Twitter, Jeffrey A. Tucker. The name of the article is

00:18:28.420 The Lab Leak, The Plots and Schemes of Jeremy Farrar, Anthony Fauci, and Francis Collins. More in a

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00:19:32.700 minutes. Uh, Julie Kelly is also with us. Um, she's a senior contributor. I don't know if you've,

00:19:37.500 if you've gone to America greatness, uh, or AM greatness.com, it's American greatness,

00:19:43.420 the website, but they have a lot of great stories. They have a really good coverage on pretty much

00:19:49.860 everything America that you might care about. Um, and she is, she's one of the people,

00:19:56.400 one of the only people, uh, that has really gone in and looked at what the, the Capitol riot

00:20:03.420 and the people who were in jail, what their living conditions, uh, are, what's really happening.

00:20:10.440 Nobody really wants to do this for some reason or another. And Julie has a new book, uh, that is

00:20:15.920 out called January 6th. And I wanted to spend just a few minutes with her, uh, today. Hi, Julie.

00:20:23.000 Hi, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me on.

00:20:25.300 Oh, you, you are, uh, you're welcome. Thank you for the work that you are doing, uh, on January 6th. I mean,

00:20:31.160 it's a, it's a very difficult topic because nobody wants somebody to be able to go in and smash things

00:20:37.620 in the Capitol and get away with it. Scott free. Um, however, what's happening is just seemingly

00:20:44.980 radical injustice when grandma is going to jail and people like Ray Epps, just, we don't even,

00:20:55.020 we don't have questions even asked about him.

00:20:57.660 That's exactly right. I mean, we do have shockingly political prisoners in the United States.

00:21:06.080 We now have at least 80 men who have been detained and denied bail, not because they are a threat to

00:21:13.300 society or a flight risk. Almost all of them have no criminal record, but this justice department,

00:21:20.240 um, is seeking people to be incarcerated, held behind bars. In some cases, Glenn, at least 18 months

00:21:28.360 before they even have a chance to defend themselves in front of a judge or a jury. So this is punishment

00:21:36.260 for protesting Joe Biden's election. It is an egregious double standard of justice. As you know,

00:21:43.120 we have how many criminals who ran free in the summer of 2020, attacked federal officers, destroyed

00:21:49.740 property, yet we don't have them in jail awaiting trial, denied bail. So here we have at least,

00:21:57.280 go ahead. Who are these, who are these people? I mean, because nobody's talking about this and you

00:22:04.740 can't really get anybody in Congress or the Senate to do anything. It doesn't seem like these people

00:22:09.600 just kind of have disappeared and you don't know what to believe. So who are they?

00:22:17.520 Well, um, the majority have been charged with either assaulting or interfering with law enforcement.

00:22:25.000 Um, and so of course that's not anything we support. Although as I explained in my book,

00:22:29.960 Glenn, another uncovered issue is how police attacked and assaulted protesters in many cases

00:22:35.900 first prompting a lot of the confrontations that we saw see on little video clips. Um, but still,

00:22:42.980 we still have a process, right? They are entitled to the presumption of innocent. They're entitled to

00:22:48.740 a speedy trial. They are entitled to have access to their defense attorney and the evidence against

00:22:55.000 them. They still cannot even access their discovery materials in this DC jail because the guards will not

00:23:01.860 let them have access to whatever the lawyers try to send them. I've heard this repeatedly,

00:23:06.400 not just from detainees and defense lawyers, but by judges. And it's these judges who keep signing off

00:23:12.640 on these pretrial detention orders solely based on the fact they view these people as insurrectionists who

00:23:19.160 try to overthrow democracy on January 6th. It's absurd.

00:23:22.860 But if they, if they haven't heard, if they haven't heard, uh, any of the, the other side,

00:23:29.740 and I mean, this is, this is really, uh, a very, very dark chapter in American history.

00:23:37.340 If what you're saying is true, this is one of the worst things that will, we will look back on

00:23:43.660 and say, good God, what was wrong with us as people?

00:23:46.980 I completely agree, Glenn. And I think it is just contemptible that Republican leaders,

00:23:53.980 we have a few speaking out, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Louie Gohmert actually went to the jail

00:23:58.360 a number of times and basically finally forced themselves into this DC gulag holding at least

00:24:04.000 40 of these men right now. The others are at jails across the country and saw not just the deplorable

00:24:09.720 conditions of that jail, but the entire DC, um, department of corrections. But the difference is most

00:24:16.780 of the men who are held in general population in the DC jail have been convicted of a crime.

00:24:21.580 We're talking about men who don't even have trial dates in some cases, but yet they've been in that

00:24:28.600 jail since February, March, April, they're still waiting to get a trial date. And these pretrial

00:24:35.340 detention hearings by these judges, and I'm talking Trump judges too, have turned into one-sided

00:24:41.040 hearings where these judges take whatever evidence the DOJ gives them, declares these men basically

00:24:46.760 guilty and incarcerate them before they can even have a chance to defend themselves. It's really

00:24:53.620 shocking. And I detail a lot of it in my book. So wait, why can we not get people, uh, interested

00:25:02.440 in this? I mean, the political people, why is it down to those two Congress, congressmen, Congress

00:25:08.960 people? Because as you know, Glenn, our Republican leadership in Washington is weak. They're cowards.

00:25:14.920 And in many cases they have gone along with this quote unquote insurrection narrative. Um, you had 0.99

00:25:20.280 Mitch McConnell calling it an insurrection. You had Ted Cruz who finally had to walk back his

00:25:24.960 statement. This was a domestic terror attack after he got pushed back because they have gone along with

00:25:30.540 this narrative all along. And they view these people as not people that are entitled to any defense.

00:25:36.960 And that just simply is not true. You have been accused of nonviolent crimes. They haven't even

00:25:42.960 been charged with a weapons violation, attacking a police officer, destroying any property who have

00:25:48.000 been held in the school lab for nearly a year. And their trial dates are the middle of this year or

00:25:53.040 late this year because the trials keep getting pushed back to because of COVID. It is such a rigged

00:25:58.660 system against these men. And you know, the juries are not going to be impartial. Um, and no one really

00:26:04.760 seems to care. Well, I do. I just don't know what to do about it. What do we do about it?

00:26:13.100 Well, I think we just keep bringing attention to it. And when you have Republican lawmakers on,

00:26:17.780 I think you press them on it. I think your listeners need to call their congressmen and senators

00:26:22.100 and say, we demand more attention to this, go to this jail, demand to find out what's happening

00:26:27.760 inside of it, call this DOJ out, not just for how it infiltrated. Obviously, as we know, it's

00:26:34.680 hundreds, if not thousands of FBI informants and agents that day. Um, but also continuing to demand

00:26:41.200 that these men are incarcerated indefinitely awaiting trials that this DOJ keeps pushing back.

00:26:48.840 So that is the only way to get attention is if, uh, the, their constituents start demanding

00:26:55.420 accountability for this political, for the system of political prisoners.

00:27:00.500 So there is a, there's a couple of stories out, uh, today. I just want to read some of

00:27:04.040 the headlines. FBI's war on soccer moms. Uh, the FBI director, Andrew McCabe, um, comes out and says,

00:27:11.460 I'm fairly confident from what little we've seen from the FBI that they have resources and

00:27:16.700 repositioned some of their counterterrorism focus to increase, uh, their view on right-wing

00:27:21.900 extremism and domestic violence extremists. Um, we know clearly white people from the suburbs 0.64

00:27:29.520 pose a threat of domestic violence. Um, that just came out. The FBI have tried to backtrack 0.85

00:27:37.860 now, um, on the synagogue attack. Um, that was so clear. Uh, the January 6th panel is now talking

00:27:46.940 about the 14th amendment and invoking that. So Bush, uh, so that, uh, Trump can't run again.

00:27:54.380 How, how devastating, uh, and deep is this infection into real true justice?

00:28:06.760 Well, there isn't. And this is why Glenn people need to reconsider what they think they saw on January

00:28:13.400 6th. This was not an organic uprising of Trump supporters incited by the president. There is no

00:28:20.220 way that the Democrats just seized on this immediately to seek and, and fulfill all sorts

00:28:26.220 of political goals, which is basically criminalizing political dissent. That's why I suggest that January

00:28:32.860 6th was mostly an inside job orchestrated by the DOJ, the FBI, House Democrats, U S Capitol

00:28:39.700 police, uh, DC, uh, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Just say, I think I need to spend more time

00:28:46.920 with you cause I'm up against a break. Uh, so we have to have you back though. That's quite the

00:28:51.860 charge in your book. Do you lay out the facts to, to, uh, prove that point at least reasonable doubt?

00:29:02.420 Yes, I do. I lay it all out in my book, the FBI's involvement, U S Capitol police,

00:29:09.320 why they kept the Capitol intentionally unsecure that day. These are the sorts of unanswered

00:29:14.760 questions and the January 6th committee refusal to address any of that and hiding 14,000 hours of

00:29:21.660 surveillance video from the public. Those should raise a lot of suspicions in people's minds about

00:29:26.780 what actually what happened related to January 6th. Any doubt in your mind, the answers that they

00:29:33.380 were trying to get, uh, just last week about Ray Epps and the FBI. There's no doubt in your mind then

00:29:39.940 that, that, that is exactly what was going on, that this was a, this was a group of people that

00:29:45.840 didn't have an intent to go in, but there was some sort of FBI involvement that kind of spurred that on.

00:29:52.440 Yes. And that's why you had the top FBI official refuse to answer whether agents or informants either

00:30:00.360 incited or engaged in violent criminal behavior that day. That was a jaw dropper and they haven't

00:30:07.100 come back and corrected her statement at all. And she refused twice under oath to, to deny that FBI agents

00:30:14.800 or informants were involved in criminal, violent criminal behavior that day.

00:30:19.020 Julie, I'd love to have you on again for a longer period of time and you can lay out all of the

00:30:23.740 evidence here. Um, I am, I'm going to go buy your book, uh, today. Uh, it's January 6th is the name

00:30:32.380 of the book, Julie Kelly, Julie Kelly. She's senior contributor for American greatness. Uh, but you have,

00:30:38.700 um, she has, you know, written for the national review, the federalist, uh, the Hill, the wall street

00:30:45.400 journal, Chicago tribune, Forbes. I mean, she's not a, uh, she's not a nobody. If you don't know who

00:30:51.100 she is, uh, Julie Kelly. And the name of the book is January 6th. More in a minute.

00:30:59.140 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:32:06.520 now. Beck 15, 15% off built.com. Welcome to the program, Jeff Rosenblum. How are you, sir?

00:32:14.280 I'm great. Thank you for having me. It is. It is great to have you. I read your book,

00:32:18.140 I think in a day, uh, you were the, uh, you're the author of friction, which is one of my other

00:32:24.120 favorite business books. I just gave it to a CEO of a company who, who, uh, it was in, we were just

00:32:30.680 talking about what brands actually mean. And, uh, I said, you have to read this book. I went and got

00:32:36.740 my copy. They're hard to get. And I gave it to him. Uh, and this is just as, just as good exponential.

00:32:43.520 Give me the premise first of, of what you're laying out here. Yeah. First of all, thank you

00:32:49.320 for the kind words and the support. I really do appreciate it. So the basic premise is this,

00:32:53.520 I'm an advertising guy, but I've been obsessed with companies that dominate the competition,

00:32:59.700 right? Brands that absolutely grow exponentially. They don't just have customers. They have armies

00:33:04.800 of evangelists and they have one simple tool. It's empowerment. They improve people's lives.

00:33:11.360 One small step at a time because everybody wakes up in the morning and they want one thing.

00:33:18.860 They want to be better than they were the day before. It's at the heart of the human experience.

00:33:24.660 It's what drives capitalism. It is. I think capitalism is the greatest charity ever. You're

00:33:29.820 if you are doing it right, you're thinking, how can I make people's lives easier or better?

00:33:34.620 Uh, and you win and they win. Um, the, the idea of, of making someone's life better. For instance,

00:33:46.220 I I'm, I'm really confused on some brands, for instance, Apple, uh, Apple does things and they do

00:33:53.240 it right. They really do it right. And they have the art in the inside and they, um, uh, their products

00:34:00.360 are just easier to use more intuitive and they have changed my life. However, then you get this

00:34:09.060 other side of these companies now that they don't seem to fit. So is it, is it the story or is it the

00:34:16.960 actual product that matters? It's a little bit of both, but the old bogus stories with obfuscation

00:34:24.640 and duplicity that doesn't work anymore, right? It's about taking all that data and technology

00:34:30.080 and creativity and actually doing something meaningful. Apple's a good example because

00:34:35.000 these guys, they're pretty far from perfect, but people don't expect brands and companies to be

00:34:41.380 perfect anymore. But what they do is they want them to provide more value, more value than the

00:34:47.220 competition is providing, give them more value than people are putting into it. See people are,

00:34:51.500 they're not just giving their dollars, which are obviously extraordinarily important. People want

00:34:55.920 return on investment, but they're also giving their time, their attention, their recommendations,

00:35:01.240 their loyalty. Some people are aware they're giving their data. So they're looking for brands to give

00:35:06.220 them more in return than they're investing as consumers. And if you're a business owner, that's

00:35:11.980 what you need to recognize. It's a value exchange. And if you're a consumer, what you need to recognize

00:35:16.540 is don't buy from companies and don't recommend companies that aren't giving you

00:35:21.460 more in return than you're putting into the relationship.

00:35:24.160 So is this a deeper, because I've, I've seen this with our audience. Um, there are companies

00:35:31.000 now that are, um, that represent a conservative viewpoint. You know, they stand for the traditional

00:35:39.600 values and those companies are just rocketing. They'll come on the air with us and they just

00:35:46.000 rocket really fast. Um, is that the future for almost everything where you are, you are identifying

00:35:55.860 with a group of people or is it, is the, the proctor and gamble kind of everybody thing still there?

00:36:06.620 That's a great point. So people don't buy from companies that they don't trust. Right. And I think

00:36:12.020 it's why say with your program, right, you're following a business model that's been around for

00:36:16.780 forever, radio, TV, podcasts, regardless, you have sponsors. People trust the brands that advertise

00:36:24.920 on Glenn Beck program because they know that you vetted these brands. You've vetted these products.

00:36:31.180 They know you, they trust you. So when you recommend these brands and products, it becomes a shortcut for

00:36:36.220 them to know that they can trust these brands and products. People will not buy from companies they

00:36:41.820 don't trust. But I think a lot of people have sort of misinterpreted this and think that every company

00:36:46.840 needs to save the world. They want to try to become the next Patagonia, right? And save the environment,

00:36:53.000 which is fine if companies want to try to do that and it's core to their value system. But everybody

00:36:58.860 doesn't wake up in the morning wanting brands to hug the trees and save the manatees. Like find the

00:37:04.380 authentic way that you can improve my life. So this is, I mean, this is Coca-Cola. You know,

00:37:09.500 I don't need Coca-Cola to tell me to be less white. What are you doing? Coca-Cola. I want a good sugary

00:37:17.220 drink. That's what I want. Um, and these, these products are, are, are all over the board and they're,

00:37:25.520 they're starting to preach to us how to live our life. And some people love it. Some people really

00:37:31.560 hate it, but I can't, I can't get my arms around the, um, the fact that we're splitting,

00:37:39.240 you know, Coca-Cola was Coca-Cola. That's it. It meant one thing. You either like that over Pepsi

00:37:45.960 or you don't. And it kind of said America, all of America, those things are all breaking down now.

00:37:52.680 It, is that a good thing? A bad thing? How, what is the thinking of these giant companies?

00:37:58.540 I think anything that divides this country is a bad thing. Period. Coca-Cola could stand for

00:38:05.200 something great. Like when I think about Coca-Cola, it stands for happiness. That's a nice little

00:38:09.540 platform. You can dive into saying, yeah, you can dive into that without stepping on people's toes

00:38:15.260 and you could do it more meaningfully than a 30 second spot. You can create content and stuff that

00:38:20.100 moves people's lives forward. We don't need to be divisive in the data is going to prove if you're

00:38:25.480 overly leaning into a woke movement. That's not authentic to your brand. It's not going to drive

00:38:30.880 profits. So then all you're going to do is a company is pivot in six months, pivot in 12 months

00:38:35.380 and find something else. We really need to, as companies lean into authenticity. And we really

00:38:41.020 need to, as consumers only buy from companies that are truly authentic.

00:38:45.320 So how do you know that? And how does a company create that?

00:38:48.840 Well, we know it as consumers because we know the truth and we know it basically in real time,

00:38:53.340 right? There's so many ratings and there's so many reviews and we all have friends in the real

00:38:57.680 world. We all have friends on social media. We all know how to look at those basic ratings,

00:39:03.380 reviews, and information and parse out the truth. We don't just read one and take it as the gospel.

00:39:08.280 We know how to read lots and lots and figure out whether it's true. And we need to figure out

00:39:12.440 what's important to us and buy from companies that support what's important to us.

00:39:17.660 And tell the Super 8 story, will you? In the book, you talk about Super 8, which is a brand

00:39:25.020 I've driven by a million times, never have considered. I've stayed at Motel 6. I don't

00:39:31.160 know why I wouldn't stay at a Super 8, but they've completely reinvented themselves.

00:39:36.120 Absolutely. Yeah. Let me give you the strategy and then let me tell you what we did. So

00:39:39.720 Super 8, it's a great hotel chain. And what they did is they revamped the large majority of their

00:39:46.480 hotel rooms. They're absolutely beautiful inside. They're not pretending to be the Rich Carlton,

00:39:50.800 but they're really nice inside. They're clean. They've got this great black and white photography,

00:39:54.740 or if you're in Dallas versus Hawaii, you're going to see different images, free breakfast. It's as

00:39:59.160 nice as can be. But not a lot of people realized how nice these rooms actually are. And we needed to

00:40:05.320 find a different pathway into telling that story. And what we didn't want to do is tell a story just

00:40:11.320 about the rooms. Because when people stay at Super 8, what they're doing is celebrating the road.

00:40:16.180 They're doing something on a road trip. They're not spending all day in their Super 8 room.

00:40:20.300 So we came across a veteran. His name was Ian. And he was suffering from PTSD. The way he described it,

00:40:28.700 he was taught to go out and fight, but he wasn't taught how to come home. When he was at war,

00:40:34.960 he felt like a hero. When he came home, he felt like a zero. So we went to all these veterans'

00:40:40.380 hospitals, and they tried psychology, and they tried pharmacology. Nothing was working.

00:40:44.520 He's on the verge of suicide. Finally, a nurse comes up to him and says,

00:40:50.000 do you know what you need? He says, no, I don't know what I need. She said, I think you need a hug.

00:40:56.800 Can I give you a hug? He's like, okay. So this nurse wraps her arms around this big, strong,

00:41:04.980 tall Marine, gives him a hug. And all of a sudden, he started uncontrollably crying.

00:41:10.640 And there were tears of happiness and relief. Because finally, someone said, I feel your pain.

00:41:18.040 You're important, and you're going to get better. The way he describes it, that hug didn't heal him.

00:41:24.360 It was just a small but very important step forward. And he realized he wanted to share

00:41:29.260 this experience. So he found two other veterans. One of them was his dear friend. And they went around

00:41:35.080 the country, and they wanted to go to every veteran's hospital giving hugs. Afghanistan vets,

00:41:40.980 Vietnam vets. Give them hugs. Let them understand there's a better solution out there. You're human,

00:41:46.840 and you're important. But they're bootstrapped. Like, their car's breaking down. They're using

00:41:50.960 bicycles. They have no money. So we realized, wait a second. Super 8's always had a great relationship

00:41:56.460 with veterans. Super 8 can support these guys. Free hotel rooms all around the country. Give

00:42:02.820 them money to help them with their travel. We'll bring in our video camera crew. We'll help tell

00:42:07.700 the story and build awareness. So we made this incredible micro documentary talking about Ian

00:42:13.780 in the Human Hug Project. And it's so inspiring, and it's so educational, and it's so uplifting.

00:42:19.880 And at no point are we like, and this is presented by Super 8, right? Super 8 is a really small part

00:42:26.460 of the story just in the background. It lives in their channels, their email, their website,

00:42:30.760 their social media. And what we did is we were able to create an emotional connection with the audience

00:42:36.080 by empowering Ian, educating people about what's going on. So this is a completely different way.

00:42:43.420 I mean, I've done advertising for 45 years, and I've revamped the way advertising has been done

00:42:51.420 on radio, but it's still advertising. It's still a 60-second commercial, etc. This is going to Super 8

00:43:00.320 and saying, hey, we want you to spend some money, and we're really not going to put you out in the

00:43:04.740 front, and it's going to work for you. A, how do you convince somebody of that? I mean,

00:43:10.680 you're an advertising guy. And B, how does that work?

00:43:16.080 Well, the reason it ultimately works for Super 8 is we know people who have actually seen these

00:43:22.220 videos, and eventually we want to show them what makes these rooms so great, because that's part

00:43:26.900 of empowerment, right? You want to be empowered to spend your dollars wisely. So once people are

00:43:31.480 emotionally engaged, they understand the story, they understand what Super 8 believes in, then we

00:43:36.520 can show them images of the room. We can talk about the free breakfast. We can talk about

00:43:40.660 all the amenities. But getting Super 8 on board, this is a really great company. It's owned by

00:43:46.340 Wyndham, and they've got a really strong value system. So they really believed in this, and they

00:43:50.180 believe in veterans. So to be honest with you, it wasn't that hard of a sales pitch. It was

00:43:54.680 incremental. We had to go in there and not blast away and say, you have to do this. We showed them

00:43:59.240 images. We showed them the Ian story. We showed a rough cut, and slowly we brought along all the

00:44:03.960 executives. But I'll tell you, right from the get-go, they were excited about this.

00:44:07.340 So one of the things, Jeff, that I want to talk to you about, and the name of the book

00:44:12.300 is Exponential. It is out today, Jeff Rosenblum, is the world has changed so much, and maybe it's

00:44:19.760 a generational thing, to where it used to be mass. And I see even though that podcasts,

00:44:30.440 Joe Rogan, is massive. He dwarfs anything on television, okay? Dwarfs it. And yet, people

00:44:40.200 still will say, well, I saw that on the Today Show, or I saw this. It's much bigger on podcasts

00:44:46.700 with Joe Rogan. Does it matter when it's not mass? I mean, Joe Rogan is mass. But when it's

00:44:58.440 out in a video, and it's YouTube, and it's just going, and it's not hitting the mass,

00:45:03.480 why have we made this change? And how is that working? Do you understand my question?

00:45:09.780 Yeah, absolutely. You know, ironically, it comes down to technology. Like, at first,

00:45:15.160 TV was this amazing technological solution, right? We had CBS, NBC, ABC. That was about it.

00:45:21.920 So now, brands can tell this amazing story through TV, except they started BSing the audience,

00:45:28.440 right? They started telling a false story, and people woke up and said, I'm not going to believe

00:45:32.340 all of those stories. Now, fast forward, technology enables you to have all of your different programs,

00:45:38.280 and Joe Rogan, per his example, has become more fragmented. And people are less interested in mass

00:45:44.020 media. They don't want content that's generic. They want content that appeals to them specifically.

00:45:49.320 And they're going to be loyal to brands that sponsor that form of content. So technology is

00:45:54.800 changing things now the way it changed things 70 years ago.

00:45:58.480 And go into business. We have two minutes before a break. Go into business. How much more change is

00:46:07.200 coming our way on how to do business?

00:46:10.860 Oh, it's exponential, right? We're entering what they call the fourth industrial revolution,

00:46:16.240 which basically means all of the change that we've seen is now going to get expedited, right? So now

00:46:21.820 we've got robots that are coming. We've got artificial intelligence that's coming. It's here

00:46:26.200 already, but we're still in the foreshadowing stage. And that's why I love this concept of

00:46:31.180 empowerment. And I love when you talk about empathy, because it doesn't matter what happens in this

00:46:36.580 world. If we can lean on those foundational principles of empowerment and empathy and authenticity,

00:46:42.800 it doesn't matter what the world looks like. It doesn't matter what technology is out there.

00:46:47.620 But if you don't change now as a business owner, if you don't change now as a business person,

00:46:52.840 if you don't change your behavior now as a consumer, things are going to change so quickly,

00:46:57.480 you'll be out of business when this fourth industrial revolution...

00:47:00.120 Name of the book is Exponential.

00:47:02.140 Na, na, na, na.

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