Jennifer Sayon was at the White House Correspondent's Dinner when she was duped into joining the revolution. She tells the story of how she got duped, and how the left is being lied to. Camille Foster joins the show to talk about freedom of speech and why we should all be fighting for it.
00:09:49.200It's not the future. We're going to run out. They push for a transition. Even though it's messy,
00:09:55.380renewable stricter controls okay one side is saying cheap energy now another one is saying
00:10:01.820a different system later i don't agree with them but that's at least a conversation you can have
00:10:10.500foreign policy how long is the united states going to carry the weight of the world endless
00:10:17.680commitments endless conflicts endless bills why are we over in the middle east why are we over
00:10:23.480with Ukraine. Pull back. Let the alliances step up. You know, let the allies do all of these
00:10:31.940things. Choose our fights more carefully. The other side says pulling back creates a vacuum.
00:10:38.640Vacuums get filled by countries that don't share our interests. They lean towards, no,0.99
00:10:43.660we got to be more involved, staying engaged, projecting power, prevent bigger conflicts later,
00:10:48.720blah, blah, blah. Here's what's crazy about this. You know what? Most Democrats that I know
00:10:55.940are actually saying more of what the Republicans are saying, which is, I don't want any of these
00:11:00.100wars anymore. It's the big government people on both Republican and Democrat side that are still
00:11:06.520pushing for more wars. They're still pushing for what the state department has been pushing for
00:11:10.920a hundred years. But the average person is like, I don't want my kid dying in a war for what?
00:11:15.740we're not that far apart crime and complete and policing one side sees disorder okay you can't
00:11:26.940weaken the system like this you have police have been pulled back laws soften nobody is going
00:11:33.060nobody's paying a price for there's no there is no consequence anymore and the answer one side
00:11:40.340restore authority, fund the police, tighten the system down. The other side sees a system that
00:11:46.900has overreached, has been a problem in the past, uneven enforcement, you know, lack of trust in
00:11:54.240communities. And their answer is reform, oversight, changing how policing works, you know, and how
00:12:01.760much there is of it. Okay. I don't agree, but we could have that debate. I could go through
00:12:10.840safety versus fairness. Both sides claim to defend it. Healthcare. One side says free markets,
00:12:18.680competition, privacy, you know, private innovation, less government control. The other
00:12:23.540side says, no, more government control, you know, because we got to have access. We have to have
00:12:29.760taxpayer funds in it, blah, blah, blah. The fight isn't whether healthcare matters. The fight is
00:12:35.560who should control healthcare. Education, same thing. Parental authority, no. More state authority.1.00
00:12:46.040People pushing for school choice, local control, transparency. The other side says no. Institutional
00:12:51.160structure, public system, standardized approaches, yada, yada, yada. Gender identity, medical
00:12:56.900treatment, especially for minors. One side says this is serious life-altering decisions involving
00:13:04.200children. Strict limits, parental control, caution. The other side says, well, they can be necessary,
00:13:11.080but this side is saying follow the science, and yet as the science is coming in, they're not
00:13:16.540following the science. Why? Technology. We're on pretty much the same page in some way. One side
00:13:25.720is worried about censorship. I don't want the government having influence over these platforms.
00:13:31.140I don't want them restricting information and conversation. I don't want it filtered by the
00:13:37.520government. I'm worried about AI in the hands of the government and the Pentagon. The other side
00:13:43.600is saying, well, but there's chaos spreading and we have to have, and foreign influence and
00:13:47.780destabilization, we have to have some control. But that's a reasonable conversation. But is that
00:13:55.140where it lives? Is that the conversation that we're actually having? I say no. All of these
00:14:03.360things, elections, 80% of the population, both Republican and Democrat, are saying the same
00:14:10.640thing. You got to have an ID. You got to have an ID. Reasonable people on the Democratic side
00:14:18.920would say, yeah, but I want to make sure that we're not stopping people who can vote to vote.
00:14:25.980But 80% say, but people who shouldn't vote, shouldn't vote. You could go down this list on
00:14:33.500absolutely everything. And that brings us back to America because those are real arguments that we
00:14:41.260need to discuss. They all have trade-offs. They all have consequences, but that's not what we're
00:14:47.240arguing. Is it? Is it? We're not talking about those things. We're talking about how people are
00:14:56.020not just wrong, they're evil, that they're Nazis, that they're fascists, that they want to round up0.64
00:15:03.120and put everyone in jail. Those are not real, okay? They're not real. They are with some,0.92
00:15:10.880But that brings me to the third group, because there is a third group, a third category that doesn't fit into this neat little two-sided argument of America.
00:15:24.880There is a faction, and it's mainly on the left, but it is now growing on the right.
00:15:31.800But the one on the left is active and organized, and they're not arguing about trade-offs at all, at all.
00:15:39.240their goal is not better policies for working families under the american system it is to
00:15:46.460overthrow the system itself capitalism the judeo-christian foundations of western life
00:15:52.220the nuclear family as the core unit of society we're not talking about democrats we are talking
00:15:58.560about radicals who have infiltrated the democratic party and convinced democrats that they're arguing
00:16:05.620what I had just laid out. But they're not. Because the power structure behind there are working to
00:16:12.700erode the roles of moms and dads, normalize gender confusion, accelerate medical interventions on
00:16:21.060children, pursue the red-green alliance, you know, the tactical marriage between Marxism and Islamist0.59
00:16:28.360forces that will kill democracy outright. They align themselves with the World Economic Forum.0.92
00:16:35.620with the top-down global governance that treat national sovereignty as a joke, individual liberty
00:16:42.160gone, traditional culture as obstacles to be managed or dismantled. And that's not just the
00:16:47.500Democrats. There are a lot of big progressive Republicans that want that too. My point is,
00:16:55.940the third group doesn't share the goal of the regular Democrat or Republican.
00:17:00.560the millions of working people, the parents, the small business owners that just want a safer
00:17:07.360street. They want to be able to afford groceries and good schools and have a fair shot.
00:17:14.260We can disagree with one another on real issues unless you're trying to tear down the country
00:17:23.140that gave all of us a shot in the first place. We can argue that this isn't working. We can argue
00:17:30.180and say, hey, you know, the dream of America is fading fast if we don't have a conversation.
00:17:36.060But we're not talking about compromises. What we're talking about is destroy the system.
00:17:42.380The radical faction wants it destroyed. They see crisis as the opportunity to accelerate the
00:17:49.540takedown. And that's why they pour every resource in convincing ordinary Democrats that Trump or
00:17:56.680anyone else who resists is not just wrong, not just a conservative, but a Nazi who has to be
00:18:03.500stopped at all costs, including street violence, assassination, whatever. Because once you can
00:18:11.340convince one side or the other that the other side is Hitler reborn, you stop asking questions
00:21:57.760Well, it's, it's, I'm grateful to have been there.
00:22:00.480There's so much about the place. And quite honestly, like the people in the culture in Marin that I've benefited from, my kids are in a school that I absolutely love. But to have a front seat to a lot of the political dysfunction, all of the things that go wrong, San Francisco is right across the bridge. I go there and you see the actual tangible consequences of bad policy.
00:22:22.420I think so. Absolutely. There's been some turnover, at least in local government. I think you're going to see it there first. But the governor's race doesn't give me much, much hope that they're actually going to be making much, much better decisions.
00:22:33.280I think J.D. Vance is going to come after all this corruption like crazy. I think Donald Trump said, you're going to be in charge of weeding out all the corruption. I think that is the 2028 plan to show the massive corruption that is happening.
00:22:48.600Because if we really are in four years, if we've put $2 trillion into corruption, I mean, there's your answer to our debt problem.
00:23:07.200I think really hard to do from the top down.
00:23:09.180I want to be optimistic in the same way I wanted to be optimistic about Doge.
00:23:13.220I think it managed to make some cuts, but really not really.
00:23:16.600Everybody knows. Everybody knows now why they had to get rid of it. Everybody.
00:23:21.120If you don't know why the left went bat crap crazy and some on the Republican side, too, you send guys in with computers that know exactly what they're doing and they're looking.
00:23:34.040I mean, this it's corruption is the is the biggest game in town.0.55
00:23:38.600I think corruption is part of it, but also just navigating the corridors of power in D.C., the kind of labyrinth of bureaucratic, like entrenched bureaucratic power.
00:23:48.580Again, really, really difficult stuff to do.
00:23:52.780And so much of the funding is kind of truncated and tranched in these strange ways that are just hard to disentangle.
00:23:58.760So today I've been kind of laying out an outline.
00:24:04.900that i i have to believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle that love the republic
00:24:11.580that don't want to see our president i don't care if it's joe biden or donald trump they don't want
00:24:17.080to see him killed they don't want to see chaos they don't want a destruction of our constitution
00:24:22.140they just want things fixed i think that's most americans yeah do you i think so i want to believe
00:24:27.320that i want to believe that too i want to believe that too but we are so um i mean there are forces
00:24:34.520the red green alliance is one of them that are intent on destroying us and and they have taken
00:24:43.420in many of our uh universities taken the youth and our youth they don't even know what freedom
00:24:50.120of speech is they don't think it should be protected that there is stuff that you shouldn't
00:24:54.980be able to say which is insane coming from an american let's talk about jimmy kimmel because
00:25:01.200Because today I got on, and Ricky was just telling me that my own insiders think that I'm wrong on this, and I don't think I am.
00:25:11.020Jimmy Kimmel, I think if I was running ABC, I would fire him, but not because the government told me to.
00:25:18.920I am absolutely dead. If the FCC started coming after ABC on this, I would lead the campaign against the FCC.
00:25:26.520It is wrong. I don't like the, you know, I don't like the mob cancel culture or anything else. But there's got to be some standards. He has a right to say these things. ABC has a right to air these things. How do you balance free speech with decency? If your culture doesn't have decency, what do you have?
00:25:50.340I mean, I think it has to be culturally enforced. And I think the Kimmel, the Kimmel situation and the timetable seems to be on Thursday. He makes a joke. Yeah. On Saturday, there's an attempt on the president. Correct. However, wait, wait, wait. But however, remember, the last time he was in trouble is because he was mocking Charlie Kirk being killed. You know what I mean? At some point, a decent person says, you know what, that's just off the table.
00:26:13.400maybe not the jokes i want to make and i and i i can totally understand that but also comedy
00:26:17.300is comedy and comedy is about saying things that people expect you not to say it is uncouth it's
00:26:23.880unacceptable the the the trick is landing the punch appropriately and did he manage to do that
00:26:29.660on thursday maybe by saturday that joke didn't make as much sense and if he were telling that
00:26:34.480joke on monday that might color things differently but on saturday i mean on thursday it seems like
00:26:40.340a joke about a younger woman married to an older man perhaps you don't find it funny you can always
00:26:46.440turn the channel and plenty of people have already done that i know that's his excuse but i don't buy
00:26:50.520that at all um uh so so how do we balance how do we balance this because i don't want government
00:26:57.220but you know i i said earlier the good thing for abc because i've done i've done radio i'm 49 years
00:27:04.820in radio now um next year will be my 50th anniversary wow and uh and so i remember at
00:27:11.42013 years old having to take the fcc test yeah to be able to be on radio and one of the things i know
00:27:17.760is the fcc it has certain guidelines but a lot of it is community standards right and so what's in
00:27:24.320what's happening in an abc's favor is we don't have any community standards anymore it's almost
00:27:29.760like there are no standards anymore how do we encourage standards to come back without
00:27:36.600without forcing things without the government how do we do that how do we fix this hole yeah
00:27:43.580just one i don't think the government can meaningfully enforce standards here in this
00:27:47.760country you just cannot do it by fiat it has to be cultural in which case it's the people who
00:27:52.880are listening to the show to the extent you're listening to something you hear it and you hate
00:27:56.540it, and you only have contempt for that station, you can, one, vote with your feet and your
00:28:00.900dollars and go elsewhere with your business, and that will actually cause some change eventually.
00:28:05.560But of course, letter writing campaigns still matter. Of course, organizing online in different
00:28:09.420ways still matters and has consequences. The question is whether or not what Kimmel did
00:28:14.180actually rises to the level of something that's going to animate that kind of concern amongst
00:28:18.100the public. And I do think that you can have people on the left and the right who are meaningfully
00:28:22.040outraged by something happening even in times like these when people are so divided i will tell you
00:28:27.300the one thing that used to scare the hell out of radio stations is because when you're up for a
00:28:32.500license renewal you have to have a license renewal every i don't remember every five years or
00:28:36.160whatever it is you have to keep all the letters that came in and then the fcc comes in and they
00:28:42.180review all the letters and how did you respond to those because that's how they gauge community
00:28:47.300standards are these local letters coming in about your local station and you can say um and i think
00:28:55.560there was a station someplace that canceled kimmel for a while because they said our community
00:29:00.080standards are different than los angeles or new york and so they canceled them and that was i'll
00:29:06.180bet you specifically because if you get letters in your local market you have to respond to your
00:29:13.100community standards. Or the FCC can say, you're not paying attention to your own community and
00:29:18.320this has to be local. That's the one thing, that's the one caveat. It's not national,
00:29:25.100it must be local standards. But I wonder, Glenn, what do you think? Because I look at what the
00:29:30.480president has said and the first lady, and their response to it has probably animated more interest
00:29:35.620in what he said on Thursday than anything that might have happened had they ignored it.
00:29:39.380so I told a story earlier today, a podcaster said, you know, um, after Charlie died and Charlie was
00:29:47.760a friend of mine and my daughter was probably 15 feet away from him when he died. Wow. And a
00:29:53.920podcaster said, it's interesting, you know, Glenn loves Israel. Um, and, uh, and then his daughter
00:30:01.180is just mysteriously that close. Okay. Like, like my daughter had something to do with his death.
00:38:48.560public events now and being and being safe i mean turning point moms for liberty white house
00:38:57.840dinner yeah the golf course i mean you know chuck todd said i'm never going to be around
00:39:03.160the president because the president brings chaos around him and and i don't want to be killed
00:39:07.280which i find super super brave of him um what are your thoughts on this what does this mean
00:39:13.800going forward how do you as an average citizen not doing what yeah i do or others do for a living
00:39:20.200yeah what are your thoughts well you know people say to me all the time because i don't do what
00:39:25.720you do but i have my share of stalkers i i have open investigations with the local police just
00:39:32.200because i say men can't be women which is the most insane thing on the earth that people you know
00:39:37.380accuse me of genocide for that and people say to me all the time as i'm sure they say to you
00:39:42.520they say you know you have to be very careful i mean what does that even mean
00:39:47.440you know i mean obviously the president has the best security
00:39:52.220possible charlie kirk had you know great security i just walk around i'm a mom i'm a business owner
00:40:00.000i just walk around there's no being careful and so i guess in my mind i just go about my life
00:40:06.440because there's not really anything what can i do i'm not gonna lock myself in my house i'm not
00:40:12.480going to be quiet so I just go about my life and I hope that fate is kind and I'm certainly not
00:40:19.940going to stop talking I'm definitely going back if there's a do-over for the dinner I'm probably
00:40:24.800going to wear sneakers I say that sort of joking but not really um I hear someone laughing in the
00:40:30.960background I'm not kidding yeah I mean I'll wear no Kevlar socks would be a good idea too
00:40:35.860but I'm going back I mean what are you going to do I'm not it sounds so cliche I know
00:40:42.180but you can't let the worst of us win you cannot do it you can't so you you were somebody who
00:40:50.440you know you lived in san francisco and i don't know all of your politics jennifer and i don't
00:40:55.340need to know your politics but i assume there's things in the past that we've disagreed on and
00:40:59.620maybe we disagree on things now um so and you've lived in san francisco so you've worked with
00:41:05.220people who were who were nor didn't hate the country just voted differently than what i would
00:41:10.660vote for right right um but we are in this place i'm going to talk about this next hour about how
00:41:17.060we're not even talking about the issues we're really not even discussing the issues what is
00:41:22.440it going to take for people who vote differently than i vote to say okay enough of all of this0.82
00:41:30.480stuff i i want the country to survive i i you know i'm not for this marxist red green alliance0.84
00:41:38.940destroy burn everything down to the ground i want to fix the country and i want to be able to come0.76
00:41:44.660back together what is it going to take is there is there a chance of that happening well i'm an
00:41:52.000optimist and i wouldn't do what i do i don't think you would do what you do and continue to speak out
00:41:57.100if you didn't believe there was a chance of that you do it because you believe that you can be part
00:42:01.880of making things better i believe that i can be do i think it's a long road do i think it took us a
00:42:07.240long time to get here? Absolutely. Think about how long it's taken us to get here. When did the
00:42:12.600whole idea of safe spaces start? I don't know, 20 years ago. The whole idea at the core of that
00:42:18.420is that certain speech was so harmful that we had to cut ourselves off from it. Then it was
00:42:23.320speech is violence. Then it was Trump is Hitler. Then it was I'm a genocider because I think men0.96
00:42:28.260can't be women. I mean, this is how we got here. And the only thing that will solve it is more0.89
00:42:35.380is more speech. And, uh, you know, I'm, I always do my best to be respectful. I will not kind of
00:42:41.620fall prey to the same sorts of rhetoric, uh, but I will not, not speak the truth. And I just,
00:42:47.900the only thing that protects my free speech is yours and vice versa. And so the answer cannot be
00:42:54.660the, the answer cannot be that we stop speaking because then the lunatics win.
00:43:01.020so where do you stand on like jimmy kimmel i i don't know if you heard my opening monologue but
00:43:07.220i i don't want jimmy kimmel yeah you so you know where i'm i'm 100 with you i i'm 100 with you0.90
00:43:15.620look i think it's a stupid joke i think it's really unfortunate the jokes and quite frankly0.79
00:43:20.940the bullets only go in one direction right now you know it used to be saturday night live made0.99
00:43:25.120fun of everybody all politicians you know they made fun of everybody it's it doesn't work that
00:43:31.300way anymore the jokes go one way they're not very funny um but i think the show should just tank on0.98
00:43:38.660its own accord um i don't think he should be taken off for stupid jokes i think people should not0.67
00:43:45.020watch it if they don't think he's funny i don't think he's funny um but i i don't think he should0.95
00:43:51.040be censored. Like I said, the only thing that protects my free speech is yours. And that does
00:43:56.760include dumb jokes from Jimmy Kimmel. It does. You know, I stood up for Bill Maher when he was0.99
00:44:04.840taken off of ABC. This is right after 9-11. And he said, at least the Taliban, yeah, you remember?
00:44:12.120At least the Taliban pilots, they had courage. We dropped bombs. They actually went in. Yeah,0.68
00:44:17.240Courage. And I found it one of the most offensive things. And I'm a new talk show host at the time. Nobody really knows what I believe. And I knew when I said it, this is going to cost me. It's going to cause all kinds of confusion. My audience will reject this. But I actually stood up for Bill Maher. And I said, ABC, what part of politically incorrect don't you understand?
00:44:38.640this is a horrible horrible comment but that's what this show is by design and in the name
00:44:47.840you know what i mean so it's in a it's in a completely it's in a completely different
00:44:53.180category this is what the show is and i stood up for him and it cost me a great deal to stand up
00:44:59.620for him. Um, but I, I, I, I just, uh, you know, I don't want any cancellation of speech, but we
00:45:08.220have to find a way to where we have responsibility and, and just basic decency. I think that's what
00:45:16.140this is about. This isn't just about violent speech with the Jimmy Kimmel thing. It's just
00:45:21.660basic decency. You know, just, can you not just come out and sincerely say you've blown the chance
00:45:28.880to do that but if he would have come out yesterday and just said really bad time unfortunate timing
00:45:34.440you know really bad timing i can see why everybody is upset you know it's it was horrible and i'm
00:45:40.500never going to go there again i'm not just these jokes do not have any place at all that's not the
00:45:47.100way i meant it but just to make it clear i will never go anywhere near that again and none of us
00:45:52.280should that would have solved an awful lot i completely agree but he doesn't feel that way
00:45:58.080no he doesn't um i mean if you recall the last little dust up with him and now i'm going to
00:46:05.040forget the specific details but even his apology you know he was suspended for a while i don't
00:46:10.500know was it a week this is maybe a year ago maybe less his apology oh it was about charlie that's
00:46:16.440right charlie kirk yeah yeah his apology was a non-apology he he doesn't feel that way glenn he
00:46:24.440he he does wish that trump would die and he does look at melania and thinks she wishes and hopes
00:46:31.640it too he you know he he can't apologize when he doesn't feel sorry feel it yeah jennifer i am i'm
00:46:41.540so glad that you are well i i saw your post and i felt so bad for you because you're again you're
00:46:46.760just you know somebody goes going you know to watch history happen and boy did you see it