The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Joanna Mendez, Josh Hammer, Tim Pool & Mark Skousen ｜ 6⧸27⧸19

00:00:00.000 Hey, podcasters, we've got a great show for you today.

00:00:02.780 Packed.

00:00:03.280 It is packed.

00:00:04.500 I mean, we had so much that we just couldn't even get to.

00:00:07.520 We start with Elizabeth Warren and the debate last night.

00:00:10.940 And it's fun if you didn't have to actually watch it.

00:00:13.800 And don't watch tonight's debate.

00:00:15.180 We'll watch it for you, and then we'll make it fun.

00:00:17.840 Also, the author of the book Moscow Rules,

00:00:20.440 this is the woman who really was inspired.

00:00:23.820 The CIA was kind of inspired to hire her

00:00:26.220 by watching Mission Impossible.

00:00:27.500 She was in the disguise unit of the CIA.

00:00:31.300 In fact, she's the one that really put it together.

00:00:33.300 Her husband was our CIA's Q. 0.77

00:00:36.380 And she talks a little bit about the biggest threats that we have

00:00:39.540 and is Moscow a big threat?

00:00:41.980 Josh Hammer gives us the SCOTUS rulings and what they all mean.

00:00:45.900 We talked to Mark Skousen about Freedom Fest,

00:00:48.200 which you can still get the tickets to.

00:00:49.940 I'm going to be going there, and I'm speaking about socialism.

00:00:53.740 It's freedomfest.com.

00:00:55.860 Go there.

00:00:56.320 Also, Tim Poole is on with us.

00:00:59.520 Great conversation with Tim about Google, their bias, their censorship,

00:01:04.680 and what's coming, all on today's podcast.

00:01:07.180 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:02:58.780 I'm not supposed to acknowledge that, right?

00:03:24.440 We're just supposed to act as if you're speaking English.

00:03:26.180 I'm just like, yeah, I'm just reaching out to a new constituency, 0.93

00:03:30.280 the people that speak Latin, pig Latin. 0.92

00:03:32.700 And it's not my first language, so I'm sorry if I butchered it, 0.77

00:03:36.040 but I want you to know that I'm just like you.

00:03:39.340 I'm part of your community.

00:03:41.820 Yes, and that proves it.

00:03:43.120 Nothing proves it like awkwardly blurting out language like that.

00:03:46.440 I'd rate.

00:03:47.340 Uste? 0.96

00:03:49.100 Right, Stu.

00:03:49.960 Oh, okay.

00:03:50.840 Because I, yeah.

00:03:51.600 Yeah.

00:03:51.700 Oh, man, did you see it when, was it Beto first broke out?

00:03:59.180 He was the first one to come out of the game with Spanish.

00:04:01.540 Yeah.

00:04:01.980 And Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren, their faces were like, oh.

00:04:07.680 Oh, but Cory Booker is the perfect example.

00:04:10.920 It was such a Cory Booker moment because it was being shared all over the internet.

00:04:14.920 Like, look at Cory Booker.

00:04:15.900 He's like, oh, rolling his eyes at Beto.

00:04:18.680 But he did it too.

00:04:19.820 That's why he was rolling his eyes. 0.98

00:04:21.140 He's like, crap, this guy took my good idea. 0.97

00:04:23.640 He was mad that later on he was going to speak in Spanish awkwardly 0.98

00:04:27.600 and is pissed off that Beto did it first.

00:04:30.500 Oh, it was so bad.

00:04:31.900 It was so bad.

00:04:32.420 Okay, because I'm excited to get to some of the highlights.

00:04:36.600 Let's start with Warren on guns.

00:04:40.420 Here's Elizabeth Warren on guns. 1.00

00:04:41.860 In this period of time that I've been running for president, I've had more than 100 town halls.

00:04:47.860 I've taken more than 2,000 unfiltered questions.

00:04:51.140 Oh, that's crazy.

00:04:52.180 And the single hardest question I've gotten, I got one from a little boy and I got one from a little girl.

00:04:57.600 Oh, boy.

00:04:58.200 These are hard.

00:04:58.600 And that is to say, when you're president, how are you going to keep us safe?

00:05:03.280 Oh, boy.

00:05:04.460 That's our responsibility as adults.

00:05:07.940 Not as president, but as adults.

00:05:09.180 Seven children will die today from gun violence.

00:05:11.280 Stop.

00:05:12.160 Stop.

00:05:13.200 Stu.

00:05:13.800 Mm-hmm.

00:05:14.480 Seven children will die today from gun violence?

00:05:19.220 Have you ever heard that stat?

00:05:22.060 I don't know the breakdown of...

00:05:24.240 Yeah, how are we getting to seven children will die today from gun violence?

00:05:28.600 Well, I mean, you know, there's...

00:05:30.280 Obviously, they're going to probably count suicides in there, I'm assuming.

00:05:34.600 Yes.

00:05:35.000 But, I mean, you know, there's tens of, like, what is it, roughly 30,000 people a year die from guns.

00:05:44.260 Right, so if you're counting suicides and you're counting, like, Chicago, you know, and where are you talking about?

00:05:51.160 Are you saying school shootings, essentially?

00:05:52.880 No, no, no.

00:05:53.540 She says not in school shootings.

00:05:54.900 She said out by the pool, you know, just from guns.

00:05:59.380 Okay, well, wait a minute, there's a difference between somebody, some kid getting a hold of a gun that shouldn't, you know, because parents didn't lock it up or whatever, and they're, you know, in the, you know, in the playroom, and there's dad's gun, they pick it up, and they accidentally shoot themselves.

00:06:17.220 There's a difference between that and suicide, that and, you know, gang violence.

00:06:24.260 There's a huge difference.

00:06:25.700 Where is the cutoff for kids?

00:06:28.240 Right.

00:06:28.520 I mean, it really does depend.

00:06:30.320 I mean, if you, but if that's, if there's 30,000 roughly gun deaths in the United States, if you include everything, and then if seven a day for children would be about 2,500, right, for the day.

00:06:41.360 So, like, I think that's, it's not out of the line of what you would think is, is the number.

00:06:47.040 Of course, it does matter what you're counting.

00:06:49.880 How and what we're, yeah.

00:06:50.940 Exactly.

00:06:51.280 What they're trying, of course, the picture they're trying to paint is seven kids a day get shot as they're just sitting in school in the cafeteria because of school shootings.

00:06:59.300 They're trying to.

00:07:00.080 Well, she says, she, go ahead and play the rest.

00:07:02.700 Children and teenagers.

00:07:04.340 And they won't just die in mass shootings.

00:07:07.320 They'll die on sidewalks.

00:07:08.680 They'll die in playgrounds.

00:07:09.920 They'll die in people's backyards.

00:07:11.940 Gun violence is a national health emergency in this country.

00:07:17.020 Stop.

00:07:17.300 And we need to.

00:07:17.860 Really important.

00:07:18.980 A national health emergency.

00:07:21.460 Why do you think they are pushing Trump on the border?

00:07:24.860 Why do you think they are making it so he only can take emergency presidential powers to do it?

00:07:32.840 They want him to do that so badly.

00:07:34.620 So badly.

00:07:35.000 Because they're going to do the same thing right here.

00:07:36.360 Correct.

00:07:36.700 And they're setting it up right now.

00:07:38.800 Now, this is a national health emergency.

00:07:42.820 We have to do something about guns.

00:07:45.540 Now, she goes on.

00:07:47.380 That's only Elizabeth Warren.

00:07:49.900 Could possibly do in smoke signals.

00:07:53.020 Watch.

00:07:53.500 And we need to treat it like that.

00:07:55.600 So what can we do?

00:07:58.480 We can do the things that are sensible.

00:08:00.380 We can do the universal background checks.

00:08:02.380 We can ban the weapons of war.

00:08:04.380 But we can also double down on the research and find out what really works.

00:08:10.120 Where it is that we can make the differences at the margins that will keep our children safe.

00:08:15.620 We need to treat this like the virus that's killing our children.

00:08:19.300 You didn't address the virus.

00:08:20.660 We have to treat this.

00:08:21.380 The federal government needs to go and figure out a way to get the guns that are already out there.

00:08:24.640 What I think we need to do is we need to treat it like a serious research problem, which we have not done.

00:08:30.860 Stop, stop, stop.

00:08:32.800 We have not done a serious research on what works, what doesn't work.

00:08:37.860 Look at John Lott's book.

00:08:38.840 There's a lot of serious research in that.

00:08:40.820 It's really serious research.

00:08:41.560 It doesn't seem like they like that one, though.

00:08:42.960 Yeah, the things you're doing in research shows it doesn't make any difference.

00:08:49.280 Everything you propose makes no difference.

00:08:53.200 And there's lots of serious research done on their assault weapons ban, which showed no effect at all.

00:08:57.480 They had an assault weapons ban.

00:08:59.360 It was repealed because it didn't work.

00:09:02.520 Well, it expired, but yeah, it wasn't renewed because it did nothing.

00:09:05.520 Correct.

00:09:05.880 The much more aggressive policies in places like Australia also, lots of serious research done on those that showed that there was no impact whatsoever on homicide rates.

00:09:14.500 But, you know, hey, this is a very common left-wing talking point, which is they won't even let us research guns.

00:09:22.420 You can research anything you want.

00:09:24.340 But, A, they're talking about the federal government paying for that research, which, of course, is a big part of it.

00:09:29.820 And one of the protections, this goes back years, and Democrats were involved in this at the beginning, was we aren't going to allow money to go and do all sorts of research on gun owners because there's, you know, the concept being that what they're going to do is, A, violate the privacy of gun owners, which, and B, try to overturn this right of theirs that is constitutionally guaranteed.

00:09:54.200 So, to get certain restrictions on guns, they said, well, we will promise you that we're not going to make a registry of gun owners and all these things.

00:10:02.060 Now, of course, obviously, it's been some time people forget that, so they've completely reversed their position on it.

00:10:07.760 But this was not a right-wing position.

00:10:09.800 It used to be very American that you don't want the government going in and, you know, making giant lists.

00:10:15.200 Yeah, a register is the first way, the first step to gun control and gun banning.

00:10:22.220 And Cory Booker called for that last night.

00:10:23.840 I love him.

00:10:24.820 Here, let's go to Booker on guns.

00:10:28.360 Well, first of all, I want to say my colleague and I both have been hearing this on the campaign trail.

00:10:33.520 But what's even worse is I hear gunshots in my neighborhood.

00:10:37.720 I think I'm the only one, I hope I'm the only one on this panel here that had seven people shot in their neighborhood just last week.

00:10:43.740 I think someone I knew, Shahad Smith, was killed with an assault rifle at the top of my block last year.

00:10:49.000 All right, stop.

00:10:50.240 Does anyone think that Cory Booker lives in the ghetto?

00:10:56.420 I do not.

00:10:57.320 Okay. 0.92

00:10:58.360 Let me just translate political bullcrap into English because I speak political bullcrap now. 0.61

00:11:05.180 Not fluently.

00:11:06.120 It's not my first language, but I've learned it.

00:11:07.580 Well, first language is pig Latin, right? 0.96

00:11:08.760 Pig Latin. 0.98

00:11:09.280 Right. 0.99

00:11:09.540 Yes, pig Latin. 0.98

00:11:10.380 Okay. 0.99

00:11:10.820 But I also speak political bullcrap. 0.82

00:11:14.260 So let me translate this to English. 0.95

00:11:18.820 I hope I'm the only one.

00:11:20.720 I think I am because I'm the only one that lives in New Jersey that has, you know, some of the most stringent laws.

00:11:27.000 But even in the really nice sections of New Jersey, because, you know, I'm a pretty powerful guy and I'm not going to be living in the slums. 0.78

00:11:35.320 I'm not going to be living in, you know, places, you know, like Chicago.

00:11:38.520 You can live it up or you can live in places where they're shooting people all the time.

00:11:42.420 But my town and my state and the town that I was, you know, mayor of is so horrible through and through that even the nice neighborhoods where where a senator can live.

00:11:56.200 Uh, it's so bad that I'm hearing gunshots in the middle of the night and seven people were shot in my neighborhood.

00:12:07.040 So what I'm really trying to say is, good Lord, help us.

00:12:11.420 New Jersey's completely out of control.

00:12:15.200 Anyway, that's what he actually was saying.

00:12:17.680 Yes.

00:12:18.140 Uh, last night.

00:12:19.140 But the political speech was.

00:12:23.580 Oh, my gosh.

00:12:24.740 Guns are just guns are out of control.

00:12:27.360 I mean, I think I'm the only one, but it's coming to your neighborhood, too.

00:12:32.680 Well, yes, if you live in New Jersey.

00:12:35.500 It's a weird thing to brag about, considering he was in control of the city through large portions of this time.

00:12:41.280 Like, he could have had an influence in theory about how the city was doing.

00:12:46.500 No, well, no, you can't because they've already enacted all of the bans.

00:12:50.760 New Jersey, you don't want to go to New Jersey with a gun.

00:12:54.020 Oh, believe me, I know that.

00:12:55.120 I used to live a block away from it.

00:12:56.540 And I was legitimately terrified of it because I lived one block from the river that separates Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

00:13:04.020 I was on the Pennsylvania side.

00:13:05.180 And Pennsylvania has, you know, relatively normal, I would say, gun laws.

00:13:08.140 You know, not super.

00:13:09.600 You know, it's not lax.

00:13:10.840 Not lax, but not restrictive.

00:13:12.560 And so, you know, you might put, if you have a gun, you might put it in your trunk.

00:13:16.360 You might have it with you.

00:13:17.880 You know, there's a lot of things you might do.

00:13:19.100 You go to prison.

00:13:19.740 Because you go across that bridge, one step into New Jersey, they pull you over, and you could go to prison for years.

00:13:25.640 Yeah.

00:13:26.020 Like, I think it's 20 years.

00:13:26.760 I was terrified to take it anywhere because I mistakenly forget it in the back, or go to the gas station that I would go to that's right across the bridge.

00:13:35.040 You know, or, like, because, you know, of course, gas is inexpensive in New Jersey in comparison.

00:13:40.100 So, you'd cross the bridge a lot of times, and if you forget, and you could legitimately go to prison for multiple years, and it's happened to people.

00:13:47.420 It happened to average citizens.

00:13:48.960 I wouldn't fly out of Newark.

00:13:51.160 I remember distinctively one time I flew out of Newark, New Jersey, and I was taking my gun because I was going out west, and I was going to go do some shooting.

00:14:01.420 So, I bring my gun with me, and I remember having, like, an hour-long conversation.

00:14:07.560 Okay, I'm going into New Jersey.

00:14:09.860 Okay, don't have any hollow points.

00:14:11.940 Make sure there's no hollow points.

00:14:14.220 You know, what is the magazine supposed to be?

00:14:18.500 Is the magazine supposed to be in the glove box, and the gun is in the trunk of the car?

00:14:25.260 And then walking in with a locked case into the airport in New Jersey.

00:14:31.340 And I was treated like I was a terrorist.

00:14:34.500 I brought the gun up, and they told me I had it in two separate cases.

00:14:40.060 I had the ammunition in one locked case, and I had the gun in one locked case.

00:14:45.380 Okay?

00:14:45.860 Unless the gun or the ammunition suddenly became Houdini, and they were also sexually attracted to each other, there was no way they were going to get out and mate on the plane underneath the plane.

00:14:59.580 Oh, my gosh.

00:15:01.420 The airline told me I needed it in three pieces and three pieces of locked luggage, and so we had to do all of that.

00:15:10.660 And then the airline lost my luggage.

00:15:14.740 They shipped it up to Canada.

00:15:16.700 So, my gun was going around a carousel up in Quebec, Canada, and nobody approached it for a while because the entire nation of Canada surrendered to my luggage.

00:15:26.820 It's crazy what's going on.

00:15:31.280 But Cory Booker, he's afraid for his life.

00:15:34.600 So, last night, I think we were very clear.

00:15:38.060 Your gun rights are going to be infringed, if not taken away, if these radicals find themselves in office.

00:15:46.580 And it was important to notice that all of them talked about an emergency.

00:15:52.640 This is why they are not doing anything down on the border, because they need Trump to declare an emergency through executive order and take over the border.

00:16:03.840 Once he does that, they are all going to sit in their office and laugh.

00:16:08.800 They'll be outraged, but they will laugh because they know when they get into office, it's a national emergency on climate change.

00:16:17.380 It is a national emergency on gun laws.

00:16:20.240 It's a national emergency on speech.

00:16:22.960 It will become a dictatorship.

00:16:26.540 No ifs, ands, or buts.

00:16:28.340 Once you start going and legislating or not legislating, just declaring national emergencies,

00:16:34.260 the president has all the power he wants.

00:16:37.660 And if you get somebody who wants to do that and start bypassing the system,

00:16:43.460 which I believe the Democrats are now setting up for, that's a problem.

00:16:47.600 And it's a problem for Republicans.

00:16:49.200 It's a problem if Democrats do it. 0.80

00:16:51.580 It's a problem.

00:16:54.860 The best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:56.620 Hey, it's Glenn.

00:17:04.940 And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray Unleashed.

00:17:09.060 His podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast.

00:17:12.940 I want to bring on our guest, Jonna Mendez.

00:17:16.880 She is the author of The Moscow Rules.

00:17:20.260 She is the former chief of disguise at the CIA.

00:17:23.900 And we'll get into some of her other things and how you know her in just a second.

00:17:29.700 First of all, Jonna, welcome to the program.

00:17:31.860 How are you?

00:17:33.240 Thank you.

00:17:33.800 I'm great.

00:17:34.500 It's good to be here.

00:17:35.260 So you were the former chief of disguise, which the CIA, if I understand this right,

00:17:41.520 didn't have until they started watching the old Mission Impossible series.

00:17:47.920 And they were like, hey, Jonna, can we do that?

00:17:51.060 There was a disguise capability, but it was not dormant.

00:17:57.200 It wasn't widely used, and it wasn't really well thought of.

00:18:01.840 It was my husband who really went in and stirred things up and started bringing some creativity

00:18:08.140 to what we did with disguise, how we used it.

00:18:11.400 And it became just an incredible tool.

00:18:14.860 So how come we weren't using the – when you think of spies, you do now think of Mission

00:18:19.960 Impossible, which, by the way, we don't have the masks like that, right?

00:18:25.440 We do have masks.

00:18:27.140 We have – we watched Mission Impossible for years, sort of out of the corner of our eyes

00:18:32.280 while we were developing our own program.

00:18:34.340 What they show in Mission Impossible on screen is – it's a lot of CGI.

00:18:39.260 It's a lot of fudging.

00:18:41.240 What we needed was something you could put on in 10 seconds and take off in five, and

00:18:46.800 something that you could brief someone in, something that animated, something that actually

00:18:53.280 was realistic.

00:18:55.180 And we developed that, and we used those extensively.

00:18:57.480 And the guy who first did the work on Planet of the Apes, is he the guy who helped develop

00:19:04.520 the masks with you?

00:19:07.700 That's where it began with us.

00:19:09.800 His name was John Chambers.

00:19:11.120 He was the first Hollywood makeup expert to get a star on the Walk of Fame to get an Oscar.

00:19:17.440 He did Planet of the Apes.

00:19:18.840 We didn't want to turn people into apes.

00:19:20.840 Right.

00:19:21.120 But we were really interested in his technology and his materials.

00:19:24.380 That was really the beginning of our mask program.

00:19:28.220 We went way past what they do in movies.

00:19:31.420 They have lights.

00:19:32.600 They have retakes.

00:19:34.160 They have all kinds of opportunities to make it right.

00:19:36.960 We had one shot when we're using a mask on the streets of Moscow.

00:19:41.360 And it had to be difficult because without lights and masks and heavy makeup and everything

00:19:47.780 else, that sometimes, you know, when you see people in heavy makeup, et cetera, it's very

00:19:55.380 obvious.

00:19:56.280 And it would be really difficult to make it look real and not like a rubber mask.

00:20:02.840 Well, the parameters of our mask, you had to be able to put it on in a parking garage,

00:20:09.340 in an unlit parking garage, get out of the car and know that it was perfect, that it was

00:20:15.000 aligned, that it was registered, that it was on, and that it would not draw any attention.

00:20:20.160 With the hair and everything.

00:20:22.360 Yeah.

00:20:23.040 So with the hair and everything, you would just pull it over your head like a stocking cap?

00:20:26.220 Not quite like a stocking cap, but yeah, you would pull it on and you would pull it off.

00:20:33.100 I stood in front of George H.W. Bush in the Oval Office when he was president.

00:20:38.080 I was wearing one.

00:20:39.060 I had just briefed him.

00:20:40.760 I told him I was there to show him a new product.

00:20:43.080 He said, well, he looked at my hands.

00:20:45.160 He looked around.

00:20:45.780 I didn't have a bag.

00:20:46.620 He said, well, where is it?

00:20:49.000 And I did a Tom Cruise reveal, actually.

00:20:51.840 I put my finger under one side of it and just peeled it off of my face.

00:20:56.760 Oh, my gosh.

00:20:58.740 Nunu was there.

00:20:59.620 Bob Gates was there.

00:21:00.740 And they were all incredulous at how good it was.

00:21:05.620 Oh, my gosh.

00:21:07.280 You and your husband also are the author of Argo, which was made into a movie.

00:21:12.720 You went in, or your husband did.

00:21:16.060 You did not go in, did you?

00:21:18.160 I did not.

00:21:18.920 I watched from the sidelines, holding my breath.

00:21:21.180 I bet.

00:21:22.500 Tell me a little bit.

00:21:23.400 Tell me about that in case anybody doesn't know about Argo and what you and your husband

00:21:27.400 were involved in.

00:21:29.120 Well, Tony Mendez was an artist.

00:21:31.400 He was hired as an artist by the CIA.

00:21:33.400 He had a very creative mind.

00:21:35.000 And when the Iranian Revolution happened and 60-some Americans were taken hostage at our

00:21:41.540 embassy after it was overrun, six escaped out a back door.

00:21:47.360 They were on the streets of Tehran, didn't know where to go.

00:21:50.780 The Canadians, bless their hearts, took them in.

00:21:54.220 And the Canadians held on to these American, we called them house guests. 0.88

00:21:58.320 They called them house guests.

00:21:59.500 They kept them for 84 days.

00:22:02.620 But someone had to come up with a way to get them out of the country.

00:22:06.880 And Tony, with his connections to Hollywood, came up with an idea of disguising them as

00:22:14.040 a Hollywood location scouting party looking for just the right bazaar for their movie.

00:22:20.080 He said everyone knows that Hollywood is a little bit crazy.

00:22:23.540 This was a plausible cover, they thought.

00:22:26.200 So Tony went in, gave them all their new bios, their new names, their new histories, their

00:22:31.280 new backgrounds.

00:22:32.180 He said, learn it.

00:22:33.540 Learn it.

00:22:34.060 You have two days.

00:22:35.620 And he walked them out through the Tehran airport, through the Revolutionary Guards with

00:22:40.820 their trigger finger attitude, with their guns at their side.

00:22:46.220 That airport was a dangerous, dangerous place.

00:22:49.240 Walked them out.

00:22:50.320 And everybody went home safe and happy.

00:22:52.560 And we still see those six house guests.

00:22:54.900 We still see them maybe once a year.

00:22:58.100 We bump into them frequently.

00:23:00.640 I just got a letter from one saying, how many times can we thank you for saving our lives?

00:23:05.580 That's amazing.

00:23:06.760 That's amazing.

00:23:08.200 And it's amazing to me.

00:23:10.380 You were in Moscow, the Moscow rules, which means what exactly, the Moscow rules?

00:23:19.420 Well, I gave a book talk last night in Seattle, and the chief of station Moscow, the CIA chief

00:23:26.960 of station Moscow, who was in the book, was at the talk last night.

00:23:31.580 He said that one rule that you put in, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

00:23:38.880 Before Muhammad Ali, pick that up as a motto, that was the CIA station in Moscow.

00:23:47.300 That was our mantra.

00:23:49.120 And Jack was very pleased to see that it was in the book.

00:23:52.080 They are rules of comportment.

00:23:53.660 They are rules of behavior.

00:23:54.860 When you're smothered with surveillance, but you still have to communicate with the Russians

00:24:02.760 who are providing us with intelligence, what are you going to do?

00:24:06.480 These were the rules that allowed you to stay safe, to keep your agent safe, most importantly,

00:24:13.980 to keep the agent safe.

00:24:15.420 Because if you were found out, you would simply be thrown out of the country and embarrassed

00:24:20.900 with newspaper photos.

00:24:22.680 But if that agent was exposed, and that's what they wanted, was the agent, he would be arrested, 0.98

00:24:29.340 taken to Lubyanka, he would be executed, he would be shot in the back of the head. 0.97

00:24:33.800 They did it over and over and over. 0.61

00:24:36.380 And when Aldrich Ames, that huge Aldrich Ames case, the treasonous CIA officer,

00:24:41.680 about a dozen Russians were arrested and killed because Aldrich Ames exposed them.

00:24:49.860 So do we have Moscow rules now?

00:24:53.820 I mean, if I understand this right, it's rules that we all kind of play by in some regard,

00:25:01.200 where we don't have those rules anymore.

00:25:06.000 Or is that just basic spy etiquette and Moscow rules are different?

00:25:13.280 These rules will always be morphing and changing as tactics evolve.

00:25:20.200 So in the new cyber-verse that we all live in,

00:25:24.120 I'm sure that there is a technological bent to these rules now that was not there then.

00:25:31.000 But a lot of these are kind of evergreen.

00:25:35.540 One of them is don't harass the opposition, which means, pardon me,

00:25:40.840 but it means don't piss off your surveillance because they will come after you,

00:25:45.220 and they can do that.

00:25:46.060 They can bumper lock you.

00:25:47.700 They can smother you with surveillance.

00:25:50.540 There's an incident at the very beginning of the book that happened in 2016

00:25:55.240 where an American diplomat is trying to exit a taxi and walk into his American embassy

00:26:03.080 at 3 o'clock in the morning.

00:26:04.640 He's attacked, and he's beaten to a bloody pulp, and he's medevaced out the next day.

00:26:10.540 He never could go back.

00:26:11.460 They broke his clavicle.

00:26:13.080 This man was really wounded.

00:26:15.020 When Tony Mendez, my husband, saw the YouTube video of that attack,

00:26:20.740 Tony looked at me and said, never harass the opposition.

00:26:24.640 So we don't know what he did, but he really, really took them off.

00:26:29.960 So we're talking to John Mendez.

00:26:32.220 She was former chief of disguise at CIA.

00:26:34.540 Her husband was the lead character, if you will, I think played by Ben Affleck in Argo.

00:26:42.900 She was a CIA officer working on Moscow and other areas.

00:26:48.180 Looking at this, I'm sure you and your husband have so much experience to be able to look at it and say,

00:26:59.420 here's what everybody's missing.

00:27:01.940 What poses the biggest threat to us right now, do you think?

00:27:06.480 Is it technology?

00:27:08.880 Is it China, Iran, Russia, global warming?

00:27:14.920 What do you see?

00:27:16.560 Is there a box for all of the above?

00:27:19.840 I mean, every one of those is a serious, profound threat.

00:27:24.180 Every one of them.

00:27:25.340 Every one of them is an opportunity to stumble into or overexcite or react.

00:27:31.320 Every one of them is a bomb waiting to go off, if we play it wrong.

00:27:38.400 So, I don't know.

00:27:40.280 Putin said...

00:27:40.600 We're a much more intricate place than it used to be.

00:27:44.020 Putin, Putin...

00:27:45.180 Go ahead.

00:27:45.760 I'm sorry.

00:27:47.900 Putin?

00:27:48.620 What did you...

00:27:49.120 I was going to say, Putin says that we're already in World War III.

00:27:53.780 The West just doesn't recognize it.

00:27:57.380 You know, what I think is, I think that we are still in the Cold War, and that even the title of this book is slightly misleading,

00:28:04.880 because you could make a pretty strong case, and it grows stronger all the time, that the Cold War perhaps never ended,

00:28:12.080 but that it just went dormant, that it just was, you know, at a low burn for a while.

00:28:18.320 Yeah, I think the same people just, they just changed uniforms.

00:28:24.280 You and I are on the same page on that.

00:28:26.380 Yeah.

00:28:27.120 I mean, that dawned on me about, I don't know, 20 years ago, when we thought we won,

00:28:33.060 and then I went, wait a minute, but where did all the old communists go?

00:28:36.820 They just took off their uniform and started using different titles and put on a suit, and they're still running it.

00:28:45.700 I'm looking at a paragraph at the very end of our book talking about the Cold War, and it says,

00:28:51.400 the game has changed.

00:28:53.460 This is part of that great game.

00:28:55.220 It's become more of a contact sport, rougher, the rules more elastic, the prize more precious.

00:29:00.980 Putin's attempts to manipulate the U.S. government have broadened the playing field and taken the game into new territory, the U.S. political arena.

00:29:10.080 And we go on and talk about his goal of destabilizing the West, and these Russian intelligence officers have tools that we could not have imagined 20 years ago, the cyber tools, the digital tools.

00:29:23.960 Are we prepared for what we're facing?

00:29:28.160 I'm pretty confident.

00:29:29.520 We came out of the technical side, the DDS&T, Director of Science and Technology at CIA.

00:29:35.220 We were the Q.

00:29:36.140 We were the gadget guys, but we were much more than gadgets.

00:29:40.260 I think our technical expertise absolutely at least matches what they have and probably overmatches what we have.

00:29:48.340 America's power in that area is profound.

00:29:53.760 Good.

00:29:54.340 I feel good that we can counter any threat that they offer, and we can probably do some interesting counterattacking on our own.

00:30:02.160 Jonna Mendez, thank you so much.

00:30:04.340 She's the author of The Moscow Rules.

00:30:07.280 She was former chief of disguise at CIA.

00:30:09.360 As she just said, her husband, Tony, was really kind of Q from the James Bond series, the new book written by both of them, The Moscow Rules, worth the read.

00:30:23.620 Thank you so much, Jonna.

00:30:25.500 Glenn, it was a pleasure.

00:30:26.520 Thank you.

00:30:26.900 You bet.

00:30:32.500 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:30:39.360 Welcome to the program.

00:30:46.860 Today's a big day.

00:30:47.580 We're going to give you an update coming up on the commentary on last night's debate and prepare you for tonight.

00:30:55.420 If you missed this, we did a full hour, the first hour, and you can find it in wherever you find your podcast.

00:31:01.940 Just look for the Glenn Beck Program podcast, and you'll be able to get our coverage on that.

00:31:06.260 I personally, I thought it was fun.

00:31:10.220 You know, if it wasn't for the destruction of our country, you know, we could all enjoy it and have a good laugh.

00:31:15.640 It was, it was Karl Marx at his best.

00:31:19.480 It was the Marx Brothers, but just not Groucho or Harpo or Geppetto.

00:31:25.900 I can't remember the other one, but it was definitely Geppetto for sure.

00:31:30.500 It is, I think, but it was definitely the Marx Brothers, and we'll talk about that coming up in just a second.

00:31:36.260 The Supreme Court has ruled on a few cases, and some of them, some of them big.

00:31:42.960 We have Josh Hammer.

00:31:44.220 He is editor-at-large of the Daily Wire and watching these and has a quick understanding of what has come out.

00:31:54.320 They just came out a few minutes ago.

00:31:56.460 They have also reached the decision on the census question.

00:31:59.120 We're waiting for that to come out.

00:32:00.580 So, Josh, welcome to the program.

00:32:03.140 It's always great to be with you, Glenn.

00:32:04.300 Thanks for having me.

00:32:04.800 Yeah, you bet.

00:32:05.500 So, tell me, what is, what did we find out today?

00:32:11.420 Okay.

00:32:11.860 So, we've got two opinions come out so far.

00:32:14.880 We're waiting on the big one, as you just said.

00:32:17.260 We're still waiting, I guess, hopefully any second now, any minute now, perhaps, to see that big census case come out.

00:32:23.120 Actually, you know what?

00:32:25.000 As I am live on the air with you, I see Ed Whelan actually tweeting it.

00:32:29.260 It looks like the secretary did not violate the Enumerations Clause or the Census Act and decided to reinstate that question.

00:32:37.240 Okay.

00:32:37.360 So, it looks like that case is going to come out in the Trump administration's favor based on the absolute latest I'm seeing on Twitter.

00:32:43.280 So, that's a huge win for the Trump administration, Glenn.

00:32:46.280 This is a big win.

00:32:49.700 In my opinion, it's a very, very legally straightforward case.

00:32:53.320 This was a practice that was on the census that obviously comes out every 10 years for over a century, was my understanding, going back to at least the middle of the 19th century, perhaps even longer than that.

00:33:05.500 There was a very, very lengthy history of the federal government asking some questions that are not strictly necessary to purely apportion congressional districts on the census.

00:33:17.180 This goes back a very long time.

00:33:18.680 It was on the long-form version of the census up until 2010 when the Obama administration took it out.

00:33:26.420 So, this is very legally straightforward in my mind.

00:33:28.980 This is a big win for the Trump administration.

00:33:30.500 And what does it mean to the states and to the left?

00:33:38.000 What does the reinstatement of this question, what does it mean?

00:33:42.640 Why is it important?

00:33:45.240 Right.

00:33:45.500 So, the actual narrow legal reason why it's important is actually not super obvious.

00:33:52.400 It's actually very important for litigation under Section 2 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

00:33:58.040 A lot of the cause of action that fall under that particular statutory provision require very accurate data as to the citizens, not just the total person population, but the actual citizens, in order to bring a viable claim for voting disenfranchisement under that particular statutory provision.

00:34:17.000 But the broader kind of macro picture here, Glenn, is why it's important, is it's important just for the federal government to have a sense, not just as to the total number of persons, including aliens, but as to citizens.

00:34:32.700 I mean, think about the Constitution, Glenn, think about the preamble, think about basic structural principles.

00:34:38.660 We, the people, we, the people who form this union, we, the people, you know, in the framers' conception of that are thinking of citizens.

00:34:49.620 Right.

00:34:50.180 And it's kind of just, it kind of is a more symbolic ability of the citizenry taking back their country and kind of getting back the entire notion that the citizens created the government, not the other way around.

00:35:02.520 Okay.

00:35:02.860 So, it's very symbolic here.

00:35:05.100 And the real reason why the left is going to go ballistic over this is?

00:35:09.760 The real reason that the left is going ballistic is that they think it is going to suppress aliens, both legal and illegal aliens, from responding to the census.

00:35:21.460 So, they think that it will suppress response in such a way as to, not only might be, from their perspective, xenophobic, but also might actually potentially politically benefit more red states than blue states for purposes of the 2020 census.

00:35:36.920 It seems to me pretty unfounded, to be honest with you.

00:35:40.160 There are plenty of red states, like our state of Texas, Glenn, that have a large, both legal, yeah, very large legal and illegal alien population.

00:35:50.820 It's not just California and New York here.

00:35:52.680 Okay.

00:35:52.980 So, let's go to gerrymandering, because that was the other one that came out.

00:35:57.640 Yep.

00:35:58.140 So, that was the other kind of big case that came out this morning.

00:36:00.960 I haven't had time to do more than a very quick scheme of the opinion, but it looks, you know, this is a traditional 5-4 split.

00:36:07.720 It comes out along the lines of you would expect Chief Justice Roberts to write the opinion for the court.

00:36:12.880 Justice Kagan filed a dissent for the liberal bloc.

00:36:15.840 They're basically saying that this is not a judicial case.

00:36:19.320 And this, to me, is very clearly correct.

00:36:23.140 Gerrymandering, as a practice, goes back literally to the beginning of the republic.

00:36:27.900 The very term gerrymandering refers to Founding Father, Elbridge Gerry.

00:36:32.440 And another word, Glenn, for gerrymandering is politics.

00:36:37.860 The Constitution clearly grants the state legislature the ability to draw congressional maps.

00:36:44.840 So, if you want to change congressional delegation in your state, the way to do that, and the way that you've always had to do that, going back to the beginning of the republic, is to win elections at the ballot box.

00:36:57.920 And under the Constitution, under Article III, which is the judiciary, you have to have standing.

00:37:04.520 And in order for you to have standing, you have to have a viable, what Article III refers to, as a case or controversy.

00:37:10.000 And the Supreme Court, for cases for centuries, the seminal case, the 1992 case called Luhan, the Justice Scalia opinion, if I recall.

00:37:21.920 He kind of broke that down and showed exactly what you need for there to be standing.

00:37:25.660 There has to be an injury in fact, direct causation, and the court has to be able to redress it in a suitable fashion in accordance with traditional tools of equitable remedies.

00:37:36.980 The courts have had going back to English common law.

00:37:39.600 And this clearly does not meet that threshold.

00:37:43.900 I mean, we're talking here about torts or criminal law or a direct injury.

00:37:48.220 But a body of partisan Democrats or Republicans complaining that the other party gerrymandered them out of district is just so far removed from the case or controversy requirement of which the Constitution speaks.

00:38:02.740 So this seems to me a very, very clearly correct holding.

00:38:06.080 I'm excited to dig a little deeper into your opinion.

00:38:07.880 So this is one that I hate agreeing with because I hate gerrymandering.

00:38:14.200 And even Justice Thomas comes out and says that in the opinion that—

00:38:18.740 Roberts.

00:38:19.160 Or Roberts.

00:38:19.900 That this is a really bad thing.

00:38:23.140 I don't agree with gerrymandering.

00:38:25.740 It's a toxic thing.

00:38:27.840 But it's—the power is in the state.

00:38:31.260 It's not at the federal bench.

00:38:33.280 And so as a libertarian, I lean towards, yes, more power to the local than the state and the least amount of power going to the federal government.

00:38:44.180 So I agree with it.

00:38:45.860 It's just that I disagree with gerrymandering.

00:38:48.160 And the Republicans are going to celebrate now, but there will come a time when they don't have control of the states, and those things will be gerrymandered back.

00:38:58.860 And they won't be happy.

00:39:01.960 Yeah, no, I think that's—I think that's right, right?

00:39:04.420 I mean, the two causes of action that kind of led to this case, though, one was out of North Carolina where it was Democrats complaining, and then one was out of Maryland where I believe it was the Republicans complaining.

00:39:15.420 So it's actually both parties who are having their complaints kind of dismissed here by the court.

00:39:22.260 I think you're right, Glenn.

00:39:23.800 I mean, from like a partisan perspective, if we're trying to like put on—you know, we're trying to channel what the Republican National Committee might be thinking, it would be short-sighted to think of this as a victory.

00:39:33.940 But from the perspective of someone trying to get the original public meaning of the Constitution right, I think it's a clear victory.

00:39:41.320 So, Josh, I'm looking—we're talking to Josh Hammer of Daily Wire.

00:39:45.680 I'm looking at this ruling on the census, and it's seemingly incredibly complicated and way above my intellect.

00:39:53.200 You could—obviously, when you read this thing in full, it happened breaking here as we're on the air.

00:39:57.420 But it does seem that it says it's affirmed in part, reversed in part, and remanded.

00:40:01.600 And we're seeing the—I mean, the breakdown of it, there's several parts.

00:40:06.160 I mean, it's, you know, Roberts, the unanimous court on parts one and two, opinion of the court with respect to parts three, four B, and four C, which Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh joined.

00:40:15.680 With respect to four A, Thomas, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Kavanaugh.

00:40:20.140 Like, it is, like, all over the board on all different parts, and the summary I'm starting to see here is that they will not allow the census question to be on the 2020 census, though it almost seems like they're going into the motivations as to why it was placed there in the first place.

00:40:41.600 I, you know, this is a—I mean, I feel like I'm in the middle of, you know, like—

00:40:47.180 So wait.

00:40:47.720 A really bad episode of Law & Order in which they really don't explain things well.

00:40:51.700 So, Josh, I tell you what, instead of wasting time with conjecture, can we just cut you loose here and then have you read this and come back and tell us what you really think it means?

00:41:02.000 Sure, absolutely, guys. Happy to do that.

00:41:03.660 All right, so we'll cut you loose now. You go and study that.

00:41:06.360 When you're ready, you just call us back, and we'll get into the census.

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00:41:52.260 Tim Poole, been a fan of yours for a while.

00:41:54.720 Well, you are fair, outspoken, unafraid, and you know what you're talking about more than I think almost anybody else in the media when it comes to what is really happening, when it comes to freedom of speech and censorship at Google and Twitter and Facebook.

00:42:18.940 Welcome to the program.

00:42:21.020 Thanks for having me.

00:42:21.960 So do you agree that what we're facing now, what's coming out, and most people in the media are ignoring with Project Veritas and everything else, that this is the beginnings of an understanding of an all-encompassing control on everyone's life and mind?

00:42:47.840 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:50.940 And I got to say, it's astounding that I was a lifelong liberal and now having conversations about massive, powerful corporations infringing on our lives and our rights with conservatives.

00:43:01.840 And, you know, throughout my life, all the liberals who are the ones challenging the corporations, even in the debate last night, bringing up all these corporations, where was the conversation about how Google and Facebook are controlling what we are seeing and hearing?

00:43:14.020 It's not coming from the left, and you look at the mainstream press, I ain't using that term, but there's a website called All Sides that tracks the biases of various sites, and they straight up said the Veritas story has been largely ignored by left-wing media.

00:43:30.060 Oh, yeah.

00:43:30.200 So that's crazy to me.

00:43:32.280 Well, it's crazy also because, you know, where's the ACLU?

00:43:37.140 Where are people that are, they say they're for freedom of speech?

00:43:42.460 I disagree.

00:43:43.360 I mean, I vehemently disagree with Alex Jones.

00:43:46.480 I've been a target of his. 0.95

00:43:48.160 I have no, there's no love between us at all.

00:43:51.180 But I will stand for his right to be heard.

00:43:54.320 We can't, we can't do this.

00:43:56.840 I don't want any Marxist silenced.

00:43:58.880 I don't want any crazy person silenced.

00:44:02.000 This, what's happening, these organizations are not only silencing people by taking them off, but they're also doing, for instance, the Donald and Reddit.

00:44:12.820 They didn't remove them.

00:44:14.900 They just removed them and put them in their own little special little ghetto. 0.84

00:44:19.020 And that eventually just decays away because you're not seen anymore.

00:44:25.500 Right, right.

00:44:26.320 I think the Donald, I'm sure, you know, your listeners are familiar.

00:44:30.200 It's basically the biggest pro-Trump forum.

00:44:32.160 And what's particularly worrisome to me about this, they claim that it was taken down because people on the forum were making threats of violence towards police.

00:44:40.440 Well, I really doubt conservative Trump supporters are going to threaten police, but maybe, right?

00:44:45.700 And what's worrisome is that anyone can make an account, go into any forum, post whatever they want, take a screenshot, and then, you know, wave flags and say, hey, look, ban them.

00:44:56.020 They're saying bad things.

00:44:57.320 You know, if you're going to tell me that conservatives are making threats against cops, I'd laugh, and I wouldn't believe you.

00:45:02.020 And so I'm confused as – even the Trump supporters are posting photos of police saying we love cops.

00:45:06.900 That would never happen.

00:45:08.060 So how easy would it be for some activists to go in, make some fake posts, and then flag that to administrators and say, hey, ban them now?

00:45:16.760 Well, first of all, unless they have banned, you know, Black Lives Matter and Antifa, they don't have a consistent case at all.

00:45:28.080 I'll tell you what.

00:45:29.040 There was a post on one forum.

00:45:31.300 It was a far-left forum where they were saying that people should bring firearms to confront, you know, a Trump rally.

00:45:38.860 And they said, hey, we better bring our guns, protect ourselves.

00:45:41.780 Now, for one, I'm like, okay, that's – you know, you have your Second Amendment right.

00:45:44.140 I can understand that.

00:45:44.900 But how is that not – you know, far-left people are saying there's going to be violence at this rally, so we should bring our guns.

00:45:50.280 That's okay with Reddit, but, you know, right, in its capacity.

00:45:55.440 There's a bunch of better examples I could give than that because that one kind of gets close to a 2A argument.

00:46:00.480 But it's an example, in my opinion, of double standards.

00:46:04.040 Because if you look at some of these left-wing forums, they all day call for violence and harm against other people.

00:46:09.140 So I talked to Dr. Robert Epstein.

00:46:11.880 Do you know him from Harvard, the creepy line?

00:46:14.280 I'm not familiar, no.

00:46:15.080 Okay, you should talk to him.

00:46:16.980 He's fantastic.

00:46:18.660 He started doing research.

00:46:20.380 He's a guy who voted for Hillary Clinton.

00:46:22.560 He's a lefty – not a lefty.

00:46:25.120 He's a Democrat.

00:46:26.300 And he started doing research on Google because he wanted to see if they were swaying elections at all.

00:46:33.920 And he found real evidence and said that it is much worse in the 2018 than it was in the 2016.

00:46:43.680 And he believes that they can, just through their search engines, by the way they give you answers to your queries and how they stack those things, he says that 80% of undecideds can be swayed.

00:47:03.820 And he has evidence that Google is doing it now.

00:47:06.500 Well, isn't that the same thing by saying your videos, my videos, Dave Rubin's videos, Ben Shapiro's videos?

00:47:14.880 When you go on YouTube and you'll find one of our videos, but then your other videos don't come up in the recommended.

00:47:24.180 It's something else, which they say they are doing right now.

00:47:28.320 That's the same thing.

00:47:31.200 It's a really interesting argument on principle for me.

00:47:34.100 You know, I don't believe that YouTube is legally required to recommend my content to anybody.

00:47:39.100 Right.

00:47:39.540 So I will – you know, I tell my listeners, listen, you know, if you like my content, share it.

00:47:44.040 Otherwise, I don't deserve it.

00:47:45.040 But here's the thing.

00:47:46.220 If we then recognize that YouTube is – I believe they're like the largest media distributor on the planet, the second largest search engine.

00:47:52.660 We recognize that.

00:47:54.660 And if they are specifically targeting certain perspectives – because I don't consider myself a conservative.

00:47:59.440 I'm moderate slightly to the left.

00:48:01.280 But if they're going to take down someone like me or Dave Rubin or Prager University, and they're still going to provide recommendations to left-wing voices and mainstream media voices, well, then I understand, right?

00:48:13.220 I don't think that – I have the right to have my content promoted.

00:48:16.160 But then you are going to see a massive shift in the perception of Americans and the world because Google is feeding them specific ideology.

00:48:25.840 Correct.

00:48:26.700 Correct.

00:48:27.500 So I heard you speak earlier this week, and you were talking in one of your videos about how you think it might be too late to get out of the beginning of this matrix.

00:48:39.380 Why do you think that?

00:48:43.480 Well, there's data published a couple weeks ago on Twitter.

00:48:48.720 I can't remember who the researcher was, but he took a look at LexisNexis data.

00:48:52.220 This is a big tracking company.

00:48:53.580 They look at stories going back to the 70s.

00:48:55.620 And they tracked left-wing, identitarian, ideological terminology, right?

00:49:02.040 It's kind of jargon, but basically far-left words like intersectionality, white privilege.

00:49:09.120 And around the beginning of 2010, there's a hockey stick on all of these graphs, a massive skyrocketing.

00:49:14.440 I think this has to do with digital media companies who are not ideologically driven who discovered pissing people off results in shares, which results in money.

00:49:25.920 So they end up hiring these activists to push this narrative, this ideology, over and over again.

00:49:30.860 And we're at a point now where you look at some of these internal messages like what Veritas leaked, where they refer to PragerU and Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, as Nazis.

00:49:39.460 And you can see that these people have really been infected with a dogmatic ideology of some sort.

00:49:47.360 So now we're at a point where you have a very large group of people who, I guess you can say, have been indoctrinated through this algorithmic money chasing.

00:49:58.820 They're not going to let those views go.

00:50:00.200 Their world is built around this idea that's a fake reality.

00:50:04.780 How do you break that?

00:50:05.960 I don't know, right?

00:50:07.060 Because these companies certainly aren't going to disappear overnight.

00:50:09.040 They are hurting now, you know, the BuzzFeeds, the Voxes, etc.

00:50:12.100 But now look at what happens with these people are so entrenched in their tribalism that you have Donald Trump come out, what, years ago saying we have a border crisis?

00:50:21.680 And it took two years for the media and the Democrats to finally recognize we actually have a border crisis.

00:50:28.640 And now they're finally going to.

00:50:29.940 And so because the media was so, you know, look, these media companies are making money off of this ideology, all of them, you know, and it's infecting the bigger, more credible sources now as well.

00:50:39.900 Like the New York Times runs a front page story about one guy who watched YouTube videos to push some narrative about the far right.

00:50:47.000 It was complete nonsense.

00:50:48.960 So the New York Times is now hiring on these people.

00:50:51.600 They refuse to acknowledge reality.

00:50:53.920 And that truly terrifies me.

00:50:55.200 And, you know, what's crazy is I feel like we're too far gone at this point.

00:51:00.140 I mean, maybe it's a bit hyperbolic.

00:51:01.580 But when you look at the rhetoric we have where we say, hey, these people are pushing things that are nonsense.

00:51:06.560 There's nothing we can do.

00:51:07.560 How do we stop this?

00:51:08.800 I mean, they're saying the exact same thing about us.

00:51:11.980 Oh, these people live in a fake reality.

00:51:13.640 It's like, look, you know, I go I go on the ground.

00:51:16.180 I've been on the ground across the world.

00:51:18.400 I talk to regular people.

00:51:19.580 They don't believe these weird things that you guys believe on the Internet, you know, the far left.

00:51:24.660 But they live in that reality.

00:51:26.500 And now, because all of these young people have started to pick up this this indoctrination through, you know, the Vox's, the Huffington Post, the BuzzFeeds, they're starting to work at The New York Times.

00:51:35.740 They're starting to work at NBC.

00:51:37.060 And they're weaponizing these media platforms to silence their political opponents.

00:51:41.660 So I'll add this very quickly.

00:51:43.080 I recently was leaked some information where I was I was able to publish an email from a left wing journalist who accused us.

00:51:52.320 Essentially, it sounded like they were saying Chase Bank was supporting the Proud Boys by providing basic financial services.

00:51:59.040 About a day, a day after that email was sent, Chase cut off the personal and business accounts of Enrique Tarrio of the Proud Boys.

00:52:06.280 Look, you don't have to like the Proud Boys.

00:52:07.780 That's not the point.

00:52:08.640 The point is these journalists know that bad PR is a weapon and they're using it for activist reasons.

00:52:14.060 Like they're activists now.

00:52:15.480 It's not about sharing information.

00:52:17.160 It's about weaponizing their platform to hurt political opponents.

00:52:21.400 And it's only getting worse.

00:52:22.640 So, you know, when it comes to the issue of Google, I look I look back to the same example of the border.

00:52:28.300 Trump said there was a crisis on the border.

00:52:29.940 Everyone finally agrees.

00:52:30.980 For the most part, you know, Ocasio-Cortez still doesn't.

00:52:33.360 But it took years to get to this point.

00:52:35.200 We have Project Veritas.

00:52:36.720 We have leaked video of Sergey Brin, the co-founder of Google, saying he's deeply offended by the election of the 2016 election and that Trump supporters don't share his values.

00:52:45.520 That was last year.

00:52:47.700 When is the media going to finally say, hey, it's not a conspiracy theory anymore?

00:52:51.240 Two more years?

00:52:52.460 Well, look, this censorship that we're seeing, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I got to say it's a damn perfect coincidence that the same day as the Democratic debates, the Donald gets quarantined so you can't find their posts anymore.

00:53:05.140 Project Veritas has basically been banned by all of the big providers.

00:53:09.100 Even Vimeo now has banned their account.

00:53:11.660 Reddit's banned their account.

00:53:13.340 YouTube took down.

00:53:15.800 Their video.

00:53:16.240 YouTube.

00:53:16.740 I'll tell you what's really crazy.

00:53:17.980 This is what freaks me out.

00:53:19.580 I made a video commenting on publicly available information that was reported on by BuzzFeed, by The Guardian, by, you know, just all of these major outlets.

00:53:29.700 They said Pinterest, you know, has banned live action, this pro-life group.

00:53:33.340 So I made a video.

00:53:34.580 I commented on it.

00:53:36.200 YouTube took my video down without warning, without any chance to fix any problems, saying I was violating the privacy of the people in the story.

00:53:44.740 Even though the information was public, was on Twitter, they took my video down.

00:53:48.760 So that I take great offense to.

00:53:51.680 I understand, you know, look, YouTube wants to argue that Veritas is violating someone's privacy. 0.87

00:53:56.560 I think that's ridiculous.

00:53:57.660 But the argument over when a name is newsworthy, fine, we can have that argument.

00:54:04.020 I still think Veritas is in the right.

00:54:05.700 But for me, we've stepped into an even crazier dystopia where the act of commenting on the information that was already made public is now being banned from the platform.

00:54:14.820 To me, that's scary because that means independent people.

00:54:19.120 Look, YouTube's the only game in town, right?

00:54:21.140 You're not going to get a million views on Vimeo.

00:54:22.860 You're not going to get a million views on these other video platforms.

00:54:25.800 YouTube has really monopolized the video space.

00:54:28.560 And that means if you want to reach people, YouTube's the only game in town.

00:54:31.600 They've dominated.

00:54:32.660 And they're using that power to suppress those that are critical of what's happening.

00:54:36.720 So I'll say this.

00:54:37.440 Here's what I think is happening.

00:54:38.720 We know the censorship has been going on for a long time.

00:54:41.120 I think this is partly due to the fact that in reality, conservatives are better at the Internet than liberals are.

00:54:47.720 You know, they say the left can't meme.

00:54:49.520 So in response to this, we see these people at Twitter, at Facebook, at Google start taking down conservative content to try and rectify that.

00:54:56.920 We know what's happening.

00:54:58.120 Even Jack Dorsey has said his conservative employees are scared to speak up.

00:55:02.140 Pinterest really – James O'Keefe really cracked the case open with Pinterest's overt censorship of live action.

00:55:09.200 And you could see that Pinterest panicked.

00:55:11.540 They at first, when the story broke, they unblocked live action.

00:55:14.700 But then immediately issued a statement saying, you know what?

00:55:16.300 No, we're going to ban them anyway.

00:55:17.720 I think that was an opening of the floodgates that emboldened all these other platforms.

00:55:21.760 So when Veritas comes out with a bigger expose, hey, Google, here's what their employees are saying behind closed doors.

00:55:27.680 Google now says, you know what?

00:55:28.760 Screw it.

00:55:29.260 Regulation's coming anyway.

00:55:30.420 Knock them down.

00:55:31.480 I think they're at a point where they just don't care anymore.

00:55:34.360 Pinterest was the floodgates being ripped open where you can't deny it anymore.

00:55:37.600 And now Google says, you know what?

00:55:40.880 Let's just go for it.

00:55:42.600 Tim, I know we have a podcast scheduled with you in a few weeks, and I'm really looking forward to being able to have some real time to sit down and talk to you about all of this.

00:55:52.200 I appreciate your time today.

00:55:53.360 Thank you so much.

00:55:54.580 Tim Poole, you can follow him at TimCast.

00:55:57.420 It's a great day to have Mark Skousen join us.

00:56:15.600 By the way, we're going to hear from Josh Hammer, who is one of our legal minds that is following the Supreme Court.

00:56:24.140 He's going to give us the latest on what has been released today from the Supreme Court.

00:56:28.600 But Mark Skousen is on with us right now.

00:56:31.080 He is the producer of Freedom Fest, and I've been invited to speak at Freedom Fest.

00:56:36.040 And he is with us now.

00:56:37.480 Hi, Mark.

00:56:37.900 How are you?

00:56:38.980 Well, I'm doing great, Glenn.

00:56:40.500 It's glad to be on your show to talk about the big show in Vegas, Freedom Fest.

00:56:44.580 Okay, so it's in Vegas.

00:56:46.360 When is it?

00:56:46.820 It's a few weeks away, isn't it?

00:56:48.720 Yep, July 17th through the 20th.

00:56:51.340 It's a Wednesday starting the evening with our opening ceremonies and ends with our Saturday program.

00:56:59.960 We've got the full schedule online at freedomfest.com, and we're expecting a couple thousand people.

00:57:06.580 We're very excited to have you.

00:57:07.780 Now, these are libertarians, conservatives.

00:57:13.700 These are the people that are actually looking at the Constitution and trying to rule their life on constitutional things.

00:57:21.500 In fact, we do have a Constitution Day with Douglas Ginsburg, the judge.

00:57:31.480 He's going to be covering that topic as well as 250 other sessions.

00:57:36.700 You know, Glenn, the whole idea of Freedom Fest, which I came up with over a decade ago, was we're losing this war for freedom mainly because we're all going our separate ways.

00:57:50.220 And I know you have tried your best to gather people together.

00:57:54.120 My idea is that once a year, all the freedom lovers come together in Las Vegas, the entertainment capital of the world, and we come together to network, to socialize, to learn, to celebrate liberty.

00:58:10.280 And you've been there before you came in 2015, which is when Donald Trump came, and we had 2,500 people there.

00:58:19.660 It was just standing room only.

00:58:21.860 Mark, who do you have this year?

00:58:26.100 You have Justice Ginsburg, not Justice Ginsburg.

00:58:28.640 You have, who did you just say?

00:58:31.800 Gorsuch.

00:58:32.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:33.320 And then you have me.

00:58:35.300 I know Penn Jillette is coming.

00:58:36.520 Who else is coming?

00:58:37.240 Well, we have Kevin O'Leary of Shark Tank, and he's going to debate John Mackey, the CEO of Whole Foods Markets, about the real purpose of business.

00:58:47.400 Is it to make money, or is it to have a higher purpose?

00:58:51.940 And, of course, John Mackey argues for a higher purpose in business.

00:58:55.280 And Kevin O'Leary says, listen, it's all about making money if you want a friend buy a dog.

00:59:02.100 So it's going to be electrifying.

00:59:06.380 That's going to be a great debate.

00:59:08.700 But we do a lot of debates.

00:59:11.580 We're going to have a debate on, is eating meat ethical and nutritional, is one of our debates with John Mackey, as well as Joel Salatin, who's the libertarian Christian farmer from Virginia.

00:59:27.120 We have John Stossel, George Gilder, Rich Lowry from National Review, Alan Dershowitz, and Randy Barnett are going to talk specifically about these recent Supreme Court decisions.

00:59:39.400 We have Steve Moore and Herman Cain, who both were going to be nominated to go in the Fed.

00:59:45.620 And we're going to ask them what would they have done if they had been nominated and became members of the Fed.

00:59:51.620 We have Candace Owens, the fiery black conservative who took on Congress recently. 1.00

00:59:56.740 It's really a fun conference.

01:00:02.020 Well, I will be there.

01:00:03.460 And if you want to join us, how do you get tickets?

01:00:07.380 So the best thing is to go to FreedomFest.com, and if they register before July 1st, you get $100 off, and it's really going to be a lot of fun.

01:00:17.960 I'm really looking forward to having you there again and to meet all of these people who are anxious to change.

01:00:25.380 Change, you know, my feeling is if we all gather together once a year, they can't ignore us anymore, right?

01:00:33.540 That's the whole idea.

01:00:35.200 And if we can get as big as the NRA or what have you, you make a big difference.

01:00:39.840 So, Mark, you are an award-winning economist, and I don't know if you saw the debate last night,

01:00:47.520 but they're talking about ending the free market now in the Democratic Party.

01:00:54.420 Yeah.

01:00:54.980 How fast can this thing be dismantled?

01:00:59.080 Well, I think the Democratic Party is trying to distinguish themselves some way.

01:01:09.840 So the way they're doing it is by going further and further toward the cause of socialism.

01:01:16.240 I mean, let's call it what it is, and that's what your topic is going to be at FreedomFest.

01:01:20.920 And, you know, I have to deal with this because I teach economics at Chapman University.

01:01:28.700 I've also taught at Columbia Business School, and I write on the board.

01:01:33.240 I say, okay, let's take this quote that sounds really good, from each according to his ability to each according to his needs.

01:01:41.020 And I don't tell them it's from Karl Marx because I don't want to affect their bias.

01:01:46.880 And I said, just by a show of hands, how many of you upper-middle-class students at Chapman University, how many of you agree with this?

01:01:54.520 And I get about 75% who raise their hand and says, oh, it sounds really good.

01:01:58.020 And then I said, put your economics cap on, and what happens to anybody who earns more than the need level, which for them was, believe it or not, $75,000 a year for these students?

01:02:12.460 I said, what if you earn more than $75,000?

01:02:15.140 Well, it's all taken away, and it's put into this community pot.

01:02:18.860 So I said, in essence, what's the marginal tax rate under this plan?

01:02:24.700 And it's 100%.

01:02:25.920 And once people, once students get that and they get it right away, suddenly they realize, oh, this isn't really a great plan after all.

01:02:35.060 And when you're through, I have 100% voting against it.

01:02:38.000 They say we don't want it.

01:02:39.100 So we have to educate our people.

01:02:41.460 And obviously the Democrats who are running for office offering free Medicare and free college education and so forth, it all sounds very appealing until you realize it's going to result.

01:02:55.660 And extremely high tax rates, which is going to destroy what caused us in the first place to become a prosperous country.

01:03:05.380 Exactly right.

01:03:06.300 Mark, I look forward to seeing you at Freedom Fest.

01:03:10.380 You can go to FreedomFest.com, FreedomFest.com.

01:03:13.400 I highly recommend that you come, and I'm going to be there.

01:03:15.580 And my topic is socialism versus the free market, and I'm anxious to present that, and we'll see you there.

01:03:25.340 Mark Skousen, thank you so much.

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The Glenn Beck Program - June 27, 2019

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