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00:00:00.000 Hello, podcasters. What a day to listen to the podcast. We start with Chernobyl and how that

00:00:09.200 relates to health care here in America and Joe Biden. You don't want to miss it. Don't want to

00:00:14.540 miss John Douglas. If you saw the Netflix show Mindhunter, this is the Mindhunter. This is the

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00:03:05.900 Boy, we've got a great show for you today. We have John Douglas is going to be on with us.

00:03:11.900 You may not know his name, but if you read the New York Times bestseller or saw, what is it,

00:03:18.360 I think a Netflix show, Mindhunter, this is the guy who has interviewed David Berkowitz,

00:03:26.280 Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Lynette Fromm, Ed Edmund Kemper, James Earl Ray,

00:03:34.900 Sirhan Sirhan, Richard Speck. I mean, all of them. He's the guy who started the behavioral science

00:03:44.400 at the FBI. It's going to be a fascinating interview. Also, Dave Rubin is going to be

00:03:50.820 joining us today. And Blake J. Harris, more on Facebook and his book, The History of the Future,

00:03:59.460 coming up. But I want to start with, can we play the audio of Joe Biden, where he is talking

00:04:08.220 compassionately here about how America must now provide health care for people who are here

00:04:15.040 illegally?

00:04:16.140 Look, I think that anyone who is in a situation where they're in need of health care,

00:04:23.580 regardless of whether they're documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see that

00:04:28.540 they're cared for. That's why I think we need more clinics around the country. And this idea that

00:04:32.840 undocumented, and by the way, a significant portion of undocumented folks in this country

00:04:38.160 are there because they've overstayed their visas. It's not people breaking down gates coming across

00:04:43.200 the border.

00:04:43.760 Okay, stop.

00:04:44.400 Either way, it doesn't matter. Here's the thing. If you want socialized medicine,

00:04:51.660 then you must have a secure border. We cannot do both. You want open borders? Great. Private medicine.

00:05:02.840 But you cannot open the borders and say, anybody who's sick, come to America. Because then we're

00:05:10.960 healing the world, and we will not have the resources to heal anybody in a very short period

00:05:17.760 of time. That's just math. And I know that math doesn't really work for socialists right now. But in

00:05:25.120 the end, the gods of the copybook headings will teach us that two and two do indeed always equal

00:05:32.640 for.

00:05:33.680 Yeah. I mean, this is amazing. You have a society that is trying to do both, right? I mean,

00:05:41.920 even libertarians, and there are some libertarians who kind of, not open borders, but argue for much,

00:05:47.780 you know, many libertarians are open borders. Some of them might even say they're open borders.

00:05:51.820 But the reason is, well, we don't have to support them. We can do, we don't, we don't,

00:05:56.460 we don't have to have these giant programs. We don't want them.

00:05:59.220 So if you don't have socialist medicine, if you don't have free health care for everybody,

00:06:03.000 if you don't have a requirement to treat every person at a hospital that needs to be treated.

00:06:07.900 Or educate every kid that comes in.

00:06:10.720 Right. Financially, it's still, it's not a problem. Now there's other reasons why you might

00:06:15.580 not want to do that, but financially it doesn't become as big a problem because, well, I mean,

00:06:20.060 look, you're not giving away all this money. There's still employment and concerns and everything

00:06:24.200 else. But this is the way it goes every single time. And you have to put your, you have to

00:06:30.480 understand, and I don't think many of the younger, you know, millennials and younger who are suddenly

00:06:36.740 embracing socialism realize what underlies that. What underlies all of socialism is your dedication

00:06:43.700 to the state. It's the state as your God. And that is really where this, you know, where this ends

00:06:49.980 up. You can sit back and say, well, I want this program and I want this program. But once things

00:06:55.300 start going wrong, the socialist government that you've given all this power to has no other option

00:07:01.860 but to protect itself at all costs. And that dedication winds up killing a hundred million

00:07:08.160 people in a century or so. Right. We've seen this before. There's a great new series on HBO

00:07:13.640 called Chernobyl. Have you seen this yet?

00:07:15.940 I haven't. I've seen the, I've seen the ads for it, but I will tell you, this is a great

00:07:21.380 way, assuming that it's good. I know you've seen it. So assuming that it is, is good. This

00:07:26.800 is a great way to teach our kids who did not live through the Soviet Union, teach our kids 0.69

00:07:33.400 and our grandkids exactly what it's like to live in a socialist country. Remember, it's not

00:07:40.700 really communists. You know, the communists, oh, they didn't do communism right. No, that's

00:07:45.960 right. That's why it was the USSR, Soviet socialist states. Okay. So it was not communism because

00:07:55.760 that's the higher law. It was socialist. And so when you see what a real socialist state

00:08:00.960 was and Chernobyl is a great example of what happens.

00:08:05.200 And it's also a great example of what happens to the regular people because the regular people 0.54

00:08:09.460 who are in this society, they might not be, you know, socialist ideologues, right? They

00:08:13.840 are people who are just trying to make a living and they're living under what is, I believe,

00:08:17.180 a terrible system. And many of the people in the Soviet Union during Chernobyl were heroes.

00:08:22.420 The people who were working there, the people who came in to try to stop it.

00:08:26.220 Firefighters. Firefighters. I mean, and they talk about this and they show it in great detail

00:08:31.020 of what they went through and what they were asked to do. But let me give you this, this

00:08:35.980 part. This is amazing. So there, to set the scene, Chernobyl's happened, the nuclear meltdown

00:08:41.760 in, you know, Soviet, in the Soviet Union, Ukraine. And they are talking about, what do

00:08:47.680 we do? Now they have not come to the point where they realized how bad it was or had been

00:08:52.960 admitted to themselves how bad it was. And they're just starting to have those first conversations

00:08:57.380 back and forth about, you know, most people are saying, oh, it's a fire and it's mostly

00:09:01.840 out. And the other side saying, look, I don't, I don't think, I think we should evacuate the

00:09:05.440 town. I mean, this looks, this looks a lot worse than we thought it was. And we should

00:09:08.560 get the people out of the town. And so the, the, there's a, the two sides of this arguing

00:09:12.400 back and forth at this table as they're planning for, for what happens to the people in the

00:09:16.720 community. And as this is all going on, uh, an old guy, an old socialist, an old school

00:09:22.480 guy taps his cane on the floor and silences the room and gives this speech. It's amazing.

00:09:29.400 Listen to this.

00:09:30.440 I wonder how many of you know the name of this place.

00:09:36.660 We will call it Chernobyl, of course.

00:09:38.940 And how proud he would be of you all tonight. Especially you, young man.

00:10:08.940 And the passion you have for the people. For is that not the sole purpose of the apparatus

00:10:17.320 of the state? Sometimes we forget. Sometimes we fall prey to fear. But our faith in Soviet

00:10:30.140 Soviet socialism will always be rewarded. 0.95

00:10:37.420 Now, the state tells us the situation here is not dangerous. Have faith, comrades.

00:10:46.220 The state tells us it wants to prevent a panic. Listen well.

00:10:50.220 It's true. When the people see the police, they will be afraid. But it is my experience

00:11:01.280 that when the people ask questions that are not in their own best interest, they should

00:11:08.760 simply be told to keep their minds on their labor. And leave matters of the state to the state.

00:11:20.140 We seal off the city. No one leaves. And cut the phone lines. Contain the spread of misinformation.

00:11:29.540 That is how we keep the people from undermining the fruits of their own labor.

00:11:42.660 Yes, comrades. We will all be rewarded for what we do here tonight. This is our moment to shine.

00:11:54.540 That is wow. Amazing. They don't let the people undermine their fruits of their own labor when

00:12:07.320 they ask questions that are not in their best interests. So John Huntsman was a friend of mine,

00:12:13.200 John Huntsman Sr. Yeah. And we talked because he was one of the first guys in the former Soviet

00:12:18.920 Union. And, you know, the idea was capitalists can go in and help heal the country. So he bought

00:12:28.580 Aeroflot Airlines. Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. Yeah. So he bought when the Soviet Union 0.70

00:12:33.700 collapsed. These were all state run things. And they sold them off. And they sold them off. So he

00:12:39.940 went in and he thought, I'll buy Aeroflot so the planes can still fly. He bought Aeroflot. He sold

00:12:48.340 it so quickly. Because when he bought it, little did he know how bad things were. They literally

00:12:56.700 would lose planes full of passengers, plow it into a mountain. And when the families would be waiting

00:13:06.120 at the gate, waiting for their family, that plane to arrive, they would say it's late. And then they

00:13:12.860 would find out that, you know, it was, it had crashed the heads of it. And they would say the

00:13:19.540 heads of Aeroflot would just tell the gate people, uh, never took off. This, this never took off.

00:13:26.080 This plane didn't, this, this plane didn't exist. And so the people who were standing at the gate

00:13:30.940 when I, I, I just talked to my aunt or my husband, he was getting onto that plane. Nope. That plane

00:13:39.260 didn't, that didn't, it never took off. I don't know where your husband is. And they just had to

00:13:44.300 go back to their home and concentrate on their labor. Yeah. I mean, that's questions. Couldn't

00:13:49.140 ask questions. That's, that is the real problem of socialism is there's no police to run to

00:13:56.700 when a corporation that would never happen in America. Can you imagine a plane just plows into

00:14:04.080 a mountain and American airlines would say that plane never took off? It wouldn't, it wouldn't

00:14:09.480 happen. It wouldn't happen. But if the state controls the communication, the airlines and

00:14:17.200 absolutely everything else, who are you going to run to? Your husband dies in a plane crash.

00:14:23.860 Your husband is, is at Chernobyl and, and it's a massive meltdown. Nobody gets sued. No, nobody

00:14:32.900 investigates because the police are part of it. And socialists don't understand that somehow,

00:14:42.180 somehow or another, they just, and it comes from this progressive idea that man can progress.

00:14:50.040 Well, yes, man can progress, but each man must progress on his own.

00:14:58.080 And, and so, and, and there are certain things that are naturally born into all of us. Yeah.

00:15:04.360 And a, a willingness to be corrupt. If you're in charge, absolute power corrupts. Absolutely.

00:15:13.040 Yeah. A friend of mine works with a bunch of millennials and they, there was some, they're

00:15:18.380 having some conversation about some mandatory program that generally speaking would be a good

00:15:21.820 idea, but should it be mandatory? And none of them could see any negative. These aren't

00:15:26.360 left-wingers either. Couldn't see any negative in the government forcing these people to participate

00:15:31.380 in it. And it's, it's, it's fascinating because that is a, they, all they could see was the common

00:15:38.200 good. Well, what you just heard, that speech is the end of the common good. That's where it gets

00:15:42.940 to. Remember, he's not doing this because he wants to kill people. Right. He's doing this because he

00:15:46.100 wants to protect Soviet socialism, which is for the common good. And I, I have a proposal here.

00:15:50.480 You know, when you, you go to like a YouTube and you click play in a video and it says you have

00:15:54.180 to wait 15 seconds before you see the video. I think when you go to a voting booth and you try

00:15:59.780 to vote for Bernie Sanders, you should have to wait and watch that entire video before the vote

00:16:03.640 goes through. Just, just, you should just be able to see what you're voting for. Are you sure?

00:16:07.640 Are you sure you're casting this vote? Are you sure? Okay.

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00:16:21.920 Hey, it's Glenn. And I want to tell you about something that you should either end your day

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00:16:41.960 it matters. Look for it now, wherever you download your favorite podcast. Pat Gray joins us now from

00:16:47.460 Pat Gray Unleashed, the podcast that is sweeping America. Everybody's talking about it. Everybody's

00:16:54.500 talking about it. I mean, it's crazy. It's a little embarrassing. And what do you have? Calm down.

00:16:59.400 Everybody. And what do you have? What do you have for us today? I have a stat that I think

00:17:05.160 you're going to love on immigration. Well, illegal immigration. I'm going to love it. Yeah. I think

00:17:11.800 you're going to love this. Okay. From the entire populations of Guatemala and Honduras, 1% of the

00:17:18.380 total population of each of those countries has crossed the U.S. border. But you're thinking,

00:17:25.340 okay, what, since 1975, 1980, since last September. But, you know, how old were you last September?

00:17:34.600 I was six. And so, I mean, 1% of the population of two pretty significant countries have illegally

00:17:46.500 entered our country in the last nine months. Nine months. Wow. But this is definitely not an

00:17:51.840 crisis. It's not a crisis. It's not an invasion. Right. Can you imagine if 1% of Iran or Al-Qaeda,

00:18:01.060 1% of Al-Qaeda came across and just was in- In nine months. In nine months in America, would we say,

00:18:08.020 there's a problem? I mean, of course we would. I would love to know, what percentage must come

00:18:14.340 across the border illegally from those two countries or any other countries? 75%. 75%.

00:18:19.840 Yeah. And then they'd get alarmed? Then I'd start to get worried. I'd put a chain link fence at that

00:18:24.960 point. Hang on just a second. I mean, you can't look at it as if, well, it's not 100%, right?

00:18:30.060 Right. We didn't empty out both those countries. There's still some people that come.

00:18:33.840 Could I make the suggestion? I mean, I make the suggestion that let's slow down on this. Let's

00:18:41.180 think about this for a minute. Okay. Because there's no place for conservatives to go right

00:18:45.200 now. Like I'd love to live in California. I'll never live in California. It's crazy. So why don't

00:18:53.000 we look at Honduras and say, okay, I tell you what, you guys sneak across the border and you come in 1.00

00:19:02.720 here. And when you get to about 99%, just alert us. And then I'm going to go down to Honduras

00:19:10.520 by the entire country. And we will live as conservatives and free men.

00:19:16.880 You know, there's, that's kind of appealing actually. It is. It's kind of got oceanfront

00:19:21.000 property. I mean, start over and, and just use the constitution and we'll live by that.

00:19:27.740 You guys go ahead and go ahead and have a good time. Have a good time. It's, I mean, it's

00:19:32.860 nuts. I, the Democrats love to talk about sustainability. That's not sustainable. Is it sustainable that every

00:19:40.800 nine months, another 1% from those two countries, Central American countries or any countries

00:19:47.060 continue to flood into the United States? That's sustainable. Can you add, you know, it's not

00:19:51.060 1% of Canada, 1% of Canada crossed our border. They'd be pissed about it. Who'd be pissed?

00:19:58.380 The, the left. Oh yeah. Well, they'd be pissed because they'd be bringing their back bacon and

00:20:03.400 they're, and curling and all their, they would not like that at the Olympics. No, they wouldn't.

00:20:09.020 No, they wouldn't. But I would be just as upset if it was Canada. I would too. Doesn't matter.

00:20:14.420 Doesn't matter if it's the UK or Canada, Norway, I don't care. It's unsustainable. We just can't

00:20:20.380 do it. Well, you, you heard Joe Biden, uh, uh, yesterday talk about healthcare, right? Yeah.

00:20:27.160 Where he said, we have to provide healthcare. We have to provide a obligation. So now we're providing

00:20:33.340 healthcare for 1% of the population of those two countries in nine months.

00:20:39.020 We've, we've, we're taking on 1% of two different countries and we're going to be providing their

00:20:46.200 healthcare. How, how is that sustainable? How and how, who pays for it? Who pays for it?

00:20:51.860 Of course we do. Right. We got to pay for the education. We have to pay for the healthcare. 0.83

00:20:57.080 We have to pay for the living, you know, as if we capture them, uh, we have to house them.

00:21:04.820 Uh, these, you lie. That, no, that usually works against that point. I've noticed over

00:21:11.720 the past few years, if you just yell, you lie. No, it doesn't. It doesn't anymore because

00:21:16.620 they're just admitting it. Yeah. They're just admitting it. I love that. I think about that

00:21:20.880 all the time when you predicted years ago, they're just going to start admitting all this

00:21:24.500 stuff and they have, and they are, and they're just, they're just naked Marxists.

00:21:28.640 Cause I told, I told you at the time, remember what I said, they want to know, they do.

00:21:34.500 They're dying to tell you they are so, they are so confident that socialism is the thing.

00:21:42.560 They're dying to tell you. And it's in, it's in these moments, you need to remember what the truth

00:21:49.740 is because the, you know, it wasn't that different in the mid nineties when Bill Clinton was saying

00:21:55.860 the era of big government is over. They didn't believe anything differently. Then they just

00:22:00.580 weren't telling you. Yeah. They were faking. They just believed that at that point, the best way to

00:22:05.060 advance it was to say the era of big government was over. And now they believe the opposite. They

00:22:09.520 think they can come out and admit it. And you're right. They're dying to do it. And

00:22:12.320 here's the thing. We were conspiracy theorists for saying that that's what they wanted to do.

00:22:16.820 Nine years ago, we were conspiracy theorists. Now they're coming out and saying it. And

00:22:22.560 when you point it out, nobody says you're a conspiracy theorist anymore. They're like, yeah.

00:22:29.940 You're like, wait, wait, wait, what? Yeah. I am a socialist. Yeah. I'm a communist.

00:22:35.400 That's a better system. Yeah. And, and, and then there are those people who I think the vast

00:22:41.100 majority of the voting Democrats, voting Democrats are different than Washington Democrats, big

00:22:46.520 time. And I think that the vast majority of the voting Democrats, uh, and you see this as

00:22:52.460 evidenced by, you know, Joe Biden being up 30, 30, 40, yeah. 32 to 40 points ahead of any of the

00:22:59.180 other competitors. Yeah. There is this desire that no, no, no, no. There is this starving for

00:23:06.420 anything other than socialist in the democratic party. And they are, they are willing to accept

00:23:13.840 Joe Biden, not being a socialist, but he'll give you the same stuff. He's going to give you exactly the

00:23:19.720 same stuff. You, you can't, you know, he wrapped it yesterday in compassion, compassion. Yes. But if

00:23:28.400 you're in a lifeboat, I'm sorry, but when the lifeboat is full, you must steer the lifeboat away

00:23:38.160 from the people who are flailing. And I'm sorry, but we will all die. And when that happens,

00:23:45.880 who then can we help? The answer is no, no one. When the lifeboat has been capsized or sunk,

00:23:52.540 everybody drowns. Correct. Correct. You, you, you have to, you have to balance compassion with reason.

00:24:03.180 Yeah. And when it comes to this situation, we are not able, we're the richest country in the world.

00:24:10.340 No, we're not. No, we're not. We're the biggest debtor in the history of the world. We have 23

00:24:18.440 trillion dollars, 23 trillion dollars. By the way, do you know how much money we have spent on poverty

00:24:25.540 since the great society speech from LBJ? Was it 20 trillion? 22 trillion dollars. Yeah. Yeah.

00:24:32.660 So everything that we've done and the poverty numbers have not changed. No. Everything that we have done,

00:24:39.040 we are now in debt, 20, 22 or 23 trillion dollars. We spend about 20 or 22 trillion dollars

00:24:48.680 trying to fix poverty. None of this is working. And those are all socialist programs and none of them

00:24:56.880 are working. It was 14% poverty rate, I think in 1965. It's 14% today after 22 or 23 trillion dollars.

00:25:07.500 It's crazy. Same with the war on drugs. I mean, all these wars that we're fighting against.

00:25:12.480 Because it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work. It doesn't work that way.

00:25:16.680 You know, it's like telling somebody who's depressed, you know, just cheer up.

00:25:21.640 It doesn't work. It doesn't work.

00:25:26.340 Oh, by the way, the border, if you would like to talk about real compassion.

00:25:32.240 Mercury One is implementing child rescue systems at the border right now in Texas and New Mexico.

00:25:42.420 We got this charge. We were asked by churches because these churches, another delivery is coming

00:25:50.320 today to some of these churches. 2,000 people just dumped on their doorstep today.

00:25:56.480 Wow. Okay. Um, and the problem is these churches are yesterday. Didn't we say it was a thousand a

00:26:02.480 day yesterday and now it's 2000, 2000 at least today today. Um, so we, um, operation underground

00:26:10.400 rescue got a phone call from one of these churches on the border and said, you got to help us. You have

00:26:15.780 to train our people. Cause we know we are handing these kids over to sex traffickers, but we can't

00:26:21.860 do anything about it. Yeah. They said we can't do anything about it. We have to, you have to,

00:26:26.460 have to. So what do we do? The Democrats have put them in that position. Right. So we are sitting

00:26:31.000 here, um, providing training so the churches can identify the smugglers and, uh, we will assist,

00:26:39.040 uh, the government, uh, busting up these rings. Uh, but we really need your help. Uh, Mercury One,

00:26:46.540 the idea was to be a catalyst to restore the human spirit when it's broken. And if I don't, if,

00:26:51.800 if, if, if our spirit of Americans on the border isn't broken, I don't know what is. These people

00:27:01.220 have been abandoned. American citizens and towns and churches have been abandoned by our federal

00:27:10.080 government. Let's help these towns out on the border. All you have to do is, uh, just go to

00:27:16.880 mercuryone.org and donate five bucks a month. Uh, whatever you can do, mercuryone.org, but please

00:27:25.340 give, or you can call 972-499-4747. More on that later. Pat, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

00:27:33.480 Hey, it's Glenn. And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray

00:27:37.840 Unleashed. His podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast.

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00:27:58.720 John Douglas, the original mind hunter is, uh, on with us now. Hello, John. How are you, sir?

00:28:05.540 Very well, Glenn. Thanks for having me. Uh, it's an honor to talk to you. Um, I remember, um,

00:28:11.020 what in some way, what you went through when you first started talking to people. Cause I remember

00:28:17.220 my grandfather saying, these guys are just talking to them. They're going to make excuses. I don't

00:28:22.140 care what happened to them in their life. They did the crime. And that was the prevalent theory when

00:28:28.540 you started interviewing these mass murderers. Correct. Uh, at the FBI, very, very much what's

00:28:36.080 happening on the, uh, series, the mind hunter series on Netflix. Um, the question was, why am I doing

00:28:41.720 this? What, what are you doing? And, uh, uh, you shouldn't be going into the prisons doing these

00:28:46.080 interviews. Well, at the time I was 32 years old. Uh, I came back, uh, uh, to Quantico after working

00:28:52.680 seven years in the field. I was a very young agent when I was recruited. Uh, I just got out of the

00:28:57.080 military at four years of military, a couple of advanced degrees and came back and was sitting back

00:29:01.480 the classroom. Now I had to audit the senior instruction instructors and these senior instructors

00:29:08.380 just didn't have their facts right. And, and how do I know that? Because there were police officers in

00:29:14.060 the classroom that were challenging the instructors. And they say, Hey, look, you know, I worked the

00:29:18.840 Manson case. You got your facts all screwed up. So here I am now 32 years old and I got to get up in

00:29:25.160 front of these senior investigators from throughout the world and, and FBI agents, you know, at some

00:29:31.120 point and, and what can I do to accelerate my learning? So in the old days we had, we'd call

00:29:35.420 road schools. You go out and, and maybe teaching in San Diego, then later on Boise, Idaho, and, you

00:29:41.880 know, let's go into these prisons. I asked my partner, I said, let's go, let's see if Manson will

00:29:46.420 talk to us. Let's see if, um, uh, David Berkowitz, uh, the son of Sam or Sirhan Sirhan and, um, thought

00:29:54.120 it was a crazy idea, but went into the, the, uh, prisons just unannounced, which was kind of good

00:29:58.660 when you're an agent, you just show your creds, you can go in and, and you don't have to tell

00:30:02.920 anybody why you want to speak to these people. And to our surprise, they were very, very, uh, very,

00:30:08.720 very, very forthcoming, very, very, uh, interested in speaking with me. But we made mistakes early on

00:30:14.020 in the, uh, when we first started doing the interviews, uh, we'd go in there with notes,

00:30:19.260 uh, go in there with a tape recorder. And that was a eternal, uh, a, a turnoff for them. Uh, why?

00:30:25.540 Because they, uh, they're paranoid individuals and they should be paranoid. They're incarcerated

00:30:29.620 with a lot of other violent offenders. They don't trust corrections. They're certainly not

00:30:33.820 going to trust the, uh, the FBI. So what I began to do, uh, as we went along and teamed

00:30:40.760 up with Dr. Ann Burgess, Boston college, and we developed a computerized instrument for interviews,

00:30:46.040 uh, which I would never fill out, uh, during the interview process would be before and after

00:30:51.300 the, uh, you know, the interview and then, um, started to, uh, you know, document this, you know,

00:30:57.560 this material and, and began to get some really fantastic information, uh, from them regarding

00:31:04.220 victim selection, pre-offense behavior, post-offense behavior. Then I started thinking, what can I do

00:31:09.460 creatively, creatively to create a situation where I may cause David Berkowitz, for example, uh, to go to

00:31:16.620 the grave site, uh, of his, uh, victims or to inject himself into the police investigation? Well,

00:31:23.140 the Bureau stood afar. They were, they were really against this, you know, what the hell are you doing?

00:31:27.380 You know, this kind of, you know, this kind of work. And, and they were really the last ones to

00:31:31.980 embrace my own agency. They were waiting for me, I think, to screw up. And then they'd send me to,

00:31:37.240 uh, Butte, Montana, you know, wrestling cases or something like that. So, so, uh, you know,

00:31:43.220 they were the last ones, uh, you know, to embrace it. And then when I got really some national,

00:31:48.460 some international publicity, uh, and I was doing so many cases, but then when I hit the

00:31:52.980 Atlanta, the Atlanta child killings was very controversial. I was censured, uh, by the Bureau,

00:31:58.860 uh, when I, I publicly said the killer would be a, a, uh, a black offender would not be white in that 0.94

00:32:05.300 particular case. Historically, we had a lot of white serial killers leading up to, uh, to that time.

00:32:11.000 And, um, when they finally, they, uh, arrested, uh, Wayne B. Williams in the case, then I got

00:32:17.580 involved in cross-examination strategies, coaching the prosecutor on how to, how to, um, go after him

00:32:24.500 on the stand. And again, I was very, very, very, very young, but now it's this young, young agent.

00:32:29.700 And when I would now get in front of a group, a cop, senior, cop, senior agents, you know, it's, uh,

00:32:35.300 you're like the old show EF Hutton, when, when EF Hutton speaks, everyone listens. So they started,

00:32:41.000 started, you know, listening, but along the way, it's, it's stressful, man. It's stressful.

00:32:46.240 John, let me, let me ask you this on, on the, on the stress part of it. First of all,

00:32:50.800 I don't want to give any spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen the series on Netflix. Um, but

00:32:55.060 is that last episode, did that at all, anything like that? Did you go through that?

00:33:01.340 Well, it was, it's actually, it's worse, uh, it's worse than the episode.

00:33:04.840 Oh my gosh.

00:33:05.700 Because it was that particular way that didn't, didn't happen like that. But I, um, I, I was

00:33:12.180 training in New York city, uh, to, um, in 1983 and it was around, let's see around October,

00:33:18.320 November. And while, while on stage training several hundred police from, from Nassau County,

00:33:24.520 Suffolk, all around Manhattan. Um, I'm sorry. I just came back on the Yorkshire Ripper case.

00:33:29.180 I, I, I have to go up to, uh, Alaska where a guy is, uh, believe is hunting down women. He's,

00:33:35.760 he's, uh, abducting women, stripping them down naked as he takes them to his airplane, 0.69

00:33:40.980 flies them up into the wilderness and hunts them down. And then there's the green river,

00:33:44.980 the green river killer in Seattle, Washington. So I had this anxiety attack, uh, while on stage.

00:33:51.880 And, and I know my material so well that my mouth is talking, but my brain is elsewhere.

00:33:58.100 And I, I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm having a heart attack. I'm, I, I'm perspiring. I'm saying to

00:34:03.640 myself, I was saying, Douglas, man, you got to regroup. You got to come, come out of this,

00:34:08.900 refocus, focus. And, uh, so I got through it. I don't think anyone, no one ever said anything.

00:34:13.700 No one ever detected it. But, uh, by the time I got back to Quantico, I, I felt at 38 years of age,

00:34:20.100 I'm going to have a heart attack. I'm going to something, I'm going to have cancer. Something's

00:34:24.000 going to happen to me. So I took out all this income protection insurance.

00:34:28.100 And then it's now time to go out on the green river murder case in Seattle, Washington.

00:34:31.540 I have tremendous headaches. I have to train two younger agents now assigned to my program.

00:34:37.840 And the long and short out there, what happened was, is before I, uh, I went to the, before

00:34:41.580 the task force, come back to my hotel room, tell the agents, I feel like I'm getting a flu.

00:34:46.800 And that night I collapsed in my hotel room floor. They kicked down the door three days later

00:34:52.060 because I have a do not disturb sign on the door. And they find me in a frog like position.

00:34:57.180 My brain had split in the right temporal lobe from 107 degree body temperature. My heart beats 220

00:35:03.340 and I'm in a coma and I'll remain in a coma for a week and come out of the coma, uh, paralyzed all along

00:35:11.860 that the, uh, the left side can't, you know, can't speak. Uh, before I came out of the coma,

00:35:16.800 they were planning, I'm a veteran. They were planning to bury me at the veteran, uh, veteran

00:35:20.000 cemetery. And, um, uh, the doctors later on, when I came back, they flew me back after a month

00:35:26.520 in the hospital, back to where I live in, uh, Virginia, uh, went to various doctors, went to

00:35:33.220 psychologists and psychologists test to me. And they said, John, I said, man, well, first you got

00:35:37.400 the viral encephalitis brought on your immune system is so low. Uh, you came very close to dying.

00:35:44.080 Plus you had complications of blood clots that nearly killed you. And he says, but the,

00:35:48.440 the, you were really suffering this post-traumatic stress disorder that some, and some of the

00:35:52.700 things we see in, and our veterans coming back, but you're experiencing the same kind of thing,

00:35:57.080 the same kind of thing here, uh, dealing with death and violence and dealing with the victims

00:36:02.060 of these violent crimes that break your heart when you have to deal with them. Or when a victim's

00:36:08.140 mother tells you, John, you have to tell me how my daughter was killed. Did my daughter fight?

00:36:13.580 And, you know, on and on. And it really is, uh, it was emotionally, uh, exhausting.

00:36:17.940 So John, did you, did you, because in watching you and in reading these books that you've, you've

00:36:24.480 written, um, you, at least I am, I, I think the toll on you on sitting, you know, and, and, and

00:36:35.880 intentionally making them feel superior to you by, by adjusting the chair. So they're higher than

00:36:42.500 you are and doing all these things and befriending them. It just seems like there is a, you're

00:36:49.680 paying a, uh, a, a price in your soul, uh, to be able to get this information.

00:36:56.500 Well, yeah, I give you an example. I interviewed, uh, Richard Speck who killed seven nurses, uh,

00:37:01.280 in, uh, in the Chicago area. And, and, and he was extremely violent. Uh, they were holding him

00:37:07.880 in a cage, uh, and they wanted me to show, show me his cell first in his pornography and

00:37:12.980 in a cell. But meanwhile, he's screaming and yelling like, uh, you know, like crazy. And

00:37:18.120 when I finally got back in his cage with him, I was with his counselor. Uh, I decided to

00:37:22.900 totally ignore him and turn my back to him. And I had a conversation with his counselor and

00:37:28.840 I, I had to use, I use street language and talking to his counselor about the crimes that

00:37:34.280 he committed, you know, kind of filthy kind of language, but the kind of language that, 0.70

00:37:38.080 you know, Richard Speck, uh, can identify with. And I said something to the effect that,

00:37:42.920 you know, uh, to his counselor, I said, I don't know what this guy eats for breakfast, but man, 0.98

00:37:47.000 I said, he, uh, he raped these seven, uh, you know, seven women. I just don't understand it. 0.97

00:37:51.900 And I knew he didn't do that. So he chimes in behind me and he's, he's sitting up on top of

00:37:56.340 a credential. I'm six foot two and he's six two as well, but he still wants to dominate,

00:38:00.520 you know, over me and you let him do it. And he says, I didn't, I didn't, and using street

00:38:05.100 terms, what he did to those girls. And I said, I know, I said, it was just the, the one on the

00:38:09.060 couch. And he says, you're crazy, man. You ought to be in here with us. I mean, you're just like us 0.99

00:38:14.060 and I'm really not just like him, but I have to show this, this false sense of, of empathy.

00:38:19.400 And I'd be lying to you, Glenn, if I tell you at the end of the day, when I have to come back to my

00:38:23.580 own family and at the time, and then the young children, uh, you know, that have, uh, and that you may

00:38:29.400 have flashbacks, you may even be in bed with your wife one night and, and, and, um, you're thinking

00:38:36.100 that some amorous type of thing you may want to be doing, but now you're thinking about some horrific

00:38:41.100 case that you're, that you're working on. And it's really, uh, it's dangerous to your health.

00:38:47.540 All right. I want to, I want to take it. I assume you don't tell her to tell her that on date night,

00:38:51.040 you know, like, Oh honey. Yeah. You know what I'm thinking about right now.

00:38:55.760 John, I, I'm going to take a quick break for about a minute and then we're going to come back

00:38:59.080 and continue our conversation, but I just have to thank you for what you've endured as a,

00:39:03.660 as a human being for all of our sakes. Uh, you know, you, you put up with both sides,

00:39:10.160 the law and the devil, uh, and, uh, and took a lot of grief and, and thank you for, for standing

00:39:17.800 and doing that. Oh, thank you back in just one more minute. Uh, John Douglas, uh, the killer

00:39:23.860 across the table. He is the original mind hunter that if you've seen the Netflix show,

00:39:29.080 this is the guy, this is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:39:38.380 Hi, it's Glenn. If you're a subscriber to the podcast, can you do us a favor and rate us

00:39:42.940 on iTunes? If you're not a subscriber, become one today and listen on your own time. You can

00:39:48.440 subscribe on iTunes. Thanks. Dave Rubin. How are you, sir?

00:39:54.000 Glenn, it's good to be with you.

00:39:55.160 Where are you? Like the North pole? This is the worst phone connection I've heard since my

00:40:00.260 grandmother.

00:40:01.500 Are we on a bad connection here? I am. I'm in my backyard at the moment because LA, uh,

00:40:06.820 AT&T services, uh, is hit or miss.

00:40:09.440 Yeah. Well, wow. It's bad.

00:40:10.940 Let me see if I could, let me see if I can shift into.

00:40:13.380 No, no, no. It's fine. It just, it just sounds like you're on using on like an old timey phone

00:40:17.860 and a lot of his. It's like, I've got a person to person, coast to coast call for you, Mr. Beck.

00:40:24.040 Uh, Glenn, I have to go on the assumption that, you know, I've been dealing with these problems

00:40:28.480 with YouTube, that it must be the phone company.

00:40:31.180 That's right. Congratulations on a million subscribers on YouTube. And I know you have

00:40:37.480 taken, uh, some pretty big risks, uh, recently, uh, to stand up for your principles and, and

00:40:45.680 putting your eggs in the YouTube basket is really kind of a frightening thing. Uh, and

00:40:52.420 it is paying off for you in some regard. Uh, I know that they demonetize you. If, if you

00:40:58.940 have anybody that is slightly to the right of Bernie Sanders, I know they flag you immediately.

00:41:06.840 Well, it's pretty crazy what they're doing. And, you know, this is a really, really interesting

00:41:12.000 debate that we've discussed a little bit before where it's starting to push my libertarian side,

00:41:17.380 which is my, which is the core of what I am. Uh, it's pushing my libertarian side to its limits

00:41:22.800 because look, these are private companies and in my estimation, they can do what they want to do.

00:41:28.340 Nobody's forcing me to be on YouTube. I'm voluntarily using their service. They provide,

00:41:33.440 uh, when it, when they're doing it right. And then people are getting your videos and they're

00:41:37.540 staying subscribed and all those things. They're providing an incredible service and all of those

00:41:41.580 things. So I say that primarily, but the next part is how these tech companies become so awesomely

00:41:49.420 powerful that we actually can't even grapple with how much information they control, how much power

00:41:55.400 they have the amount of, uh, connections that they have with the government at this point. Uh,

00:42:02.300 these are all things that we have to think about. And, you know, there is a seemingly really big

00:42:06.700 push I'm seeing on the right right now from conservatives to ask for government intervention.

00:42:11.500 Don't, don't, don't, don't. Bad idea. Bad idea. So look, I get why in the short term people think

00:42:19.300 this will be good because it does seem that conservatives are getting banned more, but you

00:42:23.200 have to always take, you know, a couple of steps down the road with these things. And the point is,

00:42:27.620 well, if you hand over the power to the government, I mean, first off, the idea that the government

00:42:31.160 could run tech companies or regulate tech companies. I mean, when was the last time you were on a

00:42:35.020 government website, it looks like AOL in 1994. So, so that, that's just like the easy version of it.

00:42:40.780 But the real issue of course, is that, so let's say you hand over the power to the government to,

00:42:46.440 to regulate or to be in charge of these tech companies or break them up or whatever it is.

00:42:50.580 Well, the government now, a Trump, you know, conservative presidency might be friendly to

00:42:55.540 conservatives right now, but what happens if the democratic socialists get in power and now they've

00:43:00.800 got the tech companies, we know they have the tech companies and now they've got the government

00:43:04.600 too. I mean, how quickly do you think they'll be banning all of the people that they deem to be,

00:43:09.380 you know, Nazis and white supremacists and the rest of it. So that's where, you know, I know,

00:43:13.660 you know this, but that of course is where you really have to be leery of, of using power until

00:43:20.480 the absolute last second. First of all, you know, regulation, you know, when, when Mark Zuckerberg comes

00:43:27.920 out and is begging for regulation, you know, it's in his best interest at Facebook to have

00:43:34.360 regulation. And the reason why is because they will come to those people and those companies

00:43:39.360 and say, how do we regulate? And they will write the laws, which will take all competition and crush

00:43:45.420 any possible contender, uh, to their throne. On top of that, if we get them and we, we go to them

00:43:54.520 and say, how do we regulate you? And they get their regulation. It will not only crush all competition,

00:44:01.360 but on top of it, it will then make the bill of rights absolutely worthless because these are

00:44:09.420 companies that are private. And so they do have a right, but if they're the backbone and because of

00:44:16.640 regulation, that's really all our choice, they can ban any voice and you have nowhere to go because

00:44:24.820 the bill of rights does not apply to them. It will apply to the government. So this is the,

00:44:32.860 the catch 22. And I think for people like us that put Liberty before everything else, I think this is

00:44:37.860 the tricky spot that we're in because look, but you know, Glenn, you've built an incredible company

00:44:41.700 using, using digital, uh, properties, right? Like I'm on YouTube. We use, we do podcasts and all

00:44:48.580 sorts of things. Now, the simple truth is, uh, you probably have some extra protections because of

00:44:53.340 the way I think you have a technology arm of the blaze. So some of your stuff is proprietary,

00:44:57.100 but which is, which is actually probably the way all creators should be going ultimately. And I've been,

00:45:02.440 I've been researching a little bit into that, but the point is that right this moment, as we're

00:45:06.980 talking, technically, there's nothing that I can do to stop YouTube from just shutting me

00:45:11.700 off and, and iTunes kicking me out and the rest of it. And it's like, that is, that is a truly,

00:45:17.800 truly awesome power that they have, especially as we know that all of this seems to be getting

00:45:22.640 ramped up to 2020. So it's putting all of us, especially the Liberty minded folks in a,

00:45:28.100 in a really weird position. And what I'm afraid of is I'm seeing too many conservatives, you know,

00:45:35.020 chomp at the bit here and say, you know, regulate, regulate, regulate, and it will just be used

00:45:41.100 together. Now that being said, you know, creating the competition. So for, for people like us that

00:45:45.360 believe in competition, right, we believe in human ingenuity. We believe we can, we can solve problems.

00:45:49.840 And I would always rather the free market solving. I mean, there's still a major issue here, which is

00:45:54.060 that the amount of money and resources to solve these problems is so massive. And, you know, there's

00:46:00.960 blockchain technologies and all sorts of interesting things that are, that are still sort of years away

00:46:05.920 from being mass adopted. So we're, we're just at a unique point. And, you know, hopefully,

00:46:11.740 hopefully those of us that are doing good work, uh, and, and trying to get some truth out there,

00:46:16.360 you know, hopefully it's not being turned against us just yet, but you just don't know. You really

00:46:21.660 don't. Um, Dave, I want to make a pitch for somebody. Um, there is a guy who's wrote, uh, who,

00:46:28.560 who wrote the book, uh, the history of the future. His name is Blake Harris. Do you know who he is?

00:46:33.900 Mm-hmm. You know, his name has come across every now and again. I get, I get messages suddenly,

00:46:39.260 and a few people have messaged me about him. You need to have him on. Um, I've had him on several

00:46:44.480 times and the story that he tells, he's just like you. I mean, he was a liberal and now he's kind of

00:46:51.380 like, wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't think that's not what I bought into. This is, I'm on the

00:46:55.820 wrong side. Um, and, and he's, he's much more of a classic liberal, uh, very, very freedom minded,

00:47:02.920 but he has the inside scoop of what's happening with Zuckerberg and Facebook. He has, he has

00:47:11.320 evidence of, of laws being, uh, broken by Mike, uh, by Mark Zuckerberg himself. Uh, it's, it's

00:47:20.920 incredible. And no one in the media is giving him any attention. And, you know, his, his books,

00:47:27.700 you know, one of the first book is being made into, it was made into a movie and now

00:47:31.900 a TV show. Seth Rogen is in it. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, interesting, you know, yeah, I do.

00:47:37.140 I do know who he is. He's the guy that wrote the book about Oculus and some of the internal

00:47:41.140 documents that were going around. Yeah. Uh, I, I will talk to him for sure. And it's super

00:47:45.700 interesting. And you know, that actually brings up a good point, uh, something that I was sort

00:47:49.000 of tweeting about this morning is that the other thing that we're seeing right now, you know,

00:47:52.560 in a, in an age of fake news, it's not just sort of the nonsense that the media puts out

00:47:58.140 that, that fake news and the manipulation and, you know, quotes where they literally

00:48:02.560 take out the word, not at the beginning of the sentence or anything. It's also what they

00:48:07.500 refuse to report on. So for example, this week, you know, I'm sure you talked about it on your

00:48:12.220 show, but Brian Sims, the state rep in Pennsylvania, who was harassing those little girls outside of 0.90

00:48:17.760 the abortion clinic. It's like CNN did not even touch that story. And that is a type of fake

00:48:23.880 news that we need to be aware of. You know, that, that, uh, the Muslim school in Philadelphia,

00:48:29.220 where they were literally training jihadists, also in Philadelphia, it's like that wasn't touched.

00:48:35.980 And it's like, if you took the reverse of any of these, where this was a Christian school,

00:48:40.500 or it was a Christian man harassing somebody else or a Republican or a conservative doing any of

00:48:46.260 these things, if you just flip, if you flip the immutable characteristics on these things,

00:48:50.700 the media would be in an outrage. So we need to really recalibrate how, how we're looking at media

00:48:55.660 as a whole. It's why we, and that's of course, directly related to all the stuff we're talking

00:48:59.380 about with the tech companies. It's honestly why we have to talk to one another, because we just

00:49:04.920 assume that the Democrats that we might know, and I'm not talking about the, I'm not talking about

00:49:10.240 the activists. I'm talking about just the average Democrat that we know. We think that they know

00:49:15.280 these stories. And I did this with Riaz Patel, who is a guy who is, is very liberal. Um, and after the

00:49:23.040 election, I brought him in and I said, let me show you these stories. I just picked like 10 or 15

00:49:29.200 stories. This is why we were so upset at Barack Obama. And I gave him the stories and I think about

00:49:36.020 eight out of those 10 stories. And he's a well-informed guy he had never heard of. He had, he was like,

00:49:42.760 what is that? I don't even know what that is. And it was because of, of the editing of the truth.

00:49:50.120 Yeah. And this is the huge problem with, you know, look, we're all walking around with iPhones. We

00:49:54.260 have access to information in an absolutely unprecedented way, a way that I think 20 years

00:49:59.440 from now, there will be many, many studies written on how this changed the human mind and human

00:50:04.360 communication and all of these things. Uh, but you know, there, there is a risk here in that,

00:50:09.300 you know, 20 years ago when we had ABC, you know, CBS, NBC, you basically got the same stories

00:50:15.240 out of, out of the three networks, cable news interrupted and you had a little bit of a widening

00:50:19.320 of that. And now we live in a time where the, there's basically no safeguards whatsoever. Now,

00:50:24.420 I generally think that's a good thing. Uh, but the problem is that we're all catering it to

00:50:29.780 ourselves. And then yes, the good, because I believe, and I know you do too, there are still good

00:50:35.340 liberals out there. Um, but they, they are having the wool pulled over their eyes and they don't

00:50:41.140 hear these stories. And then, you know, then they see us, you know, sort of ranting and raving about

00:50:46.180 things and they go, ah, you know, they're, they're just nuts. You know, they're, they're aiming the 0.96

00:50:50.460 wrong way. And it's like, this is why what I've always said is if the media would just do a decent

00:50:55.660 job, they don't have to do a great job. They don't even have to do a good job. Truly. I mean this,

00:51:00.320 if they would have just, if they would just be doing a decent job so that I could wake up every

00:51:05.680 morning and look at Twitter and not realize that CNN either misquoted several people or, you know,

00:51:11.520 absolutely ignored a story or whatever it is. If they would just not do that, then the bunch of

00:51:16.420 us that are on the outside of this, uh, that are doing this in a YouTube space or in a podcast space,

00:51:20.940 we wouldn't have as much ammo. And I would actually prefer that. I would find something else to do with

00:51:25.700 my life. I wouldn't mind moving to a farm one day, you know? Yeah, me too. Me too.

00:51:29.700 Dave, congratulations. Thank you so much. We'll talk again.

00:51:36.420 This is the best of a Glenn Beck program.

00:51:45.640 Blake J. Harris on with us now. He is the author of the book, The History of the Future.

00:51:52.680 And, uh, and welcome to it. How are you?

00:51:55.040 I am great. And in part, perhaps largely in part because of, of you guys and, and what you did for

00:52:02.840 me to help get the word out about the book a few weeks ago, it really, it's career changing and

00:52:08.760 therefore life changing because my life, my life is my career.

00:52:11.760 Yeah. That's, that's nice of you to say, but you deserve it. The book is fantastic. And if we lived in a

00:52:17.920 fair world, uh, it would have been reviewed, uh, and would have been everywhere, uh, because of the

00:52:23.800 information in it is phenomenal. Not only is it just riveting story about one of the greatest

00:52:29.000 entrepreneurs, uh, I think in, you know, in the last five years, at least, and there's, you know,

00:52:35.040 we're talking about Elon Musk and, you know, some crazy entrepreneurs, Palmer Luckey. He's this guy

00:52:41.380 who is, you know, was a kid and broke the code for, uh, VR and, and came up with Oculus.

00:52:49.380 What were you guys doing when you were 19 years old?

00:52:52.400 Yeah. Not bad.

00:52:53.180 I certainly wasn't starting a multi-billion dollar company.

00:52:55.680 Uh, and so you started to do that story, uh, and halfway through the election happens and Palmer

00:53:05.300 is for Trump and all these things are started to be said by Facebook people and others, uh, about

00:53:13.480 Palmer. You know, those things aren't true. Uh, and you start to find out that some of the people

00:53:22.080 that you really had high hopes on and Facebook and, and Mark Zuckerberg were not what you thought

00:53:27.960 and they were actually pretty nefarious.

00:53:31.460 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and that in particular, in two regards, one was with Palmer and the story

00:53:36.340 that I was covering, uh, you know, said Palmer posted that he would be supporting Gary Johnson

00:53:41.680 in the 2016 election. Um, which by the way, he did end up voting for Gary Johnson, not, not of his

00:53:48.800 own choice, but because it was suggested to him by the lawyers that because they had a trial coming

00:53:55.260 up, it would be best for him to follow through with your statement. I am not kidding you. So I

00:54:01.920 guess it, I guess it wasn't a lie that he was supporting Gary Johnson. It just wasn't his own

00:54:06.100 will since the statement had been written by Mark Zuckerberg. And you have to tell the story about

00:54:10.560 how you figured out it was not Palmer lucky. Cause this is, I, this is just a great piece of

00:54:15.520 journalism right here. Yeah, he wrote to me, I wrote you something and he writes to me and he's

00:54:22.440 like, by the way, uh, uh, this is because of the way you write your emails. This is how I figured out

00:54:29.240 that Palmer had not written that. I'm like, what? Yeah. So, so what that actually means is that most

00:54:37.620 people after the end of a sentence will use one space after a period, but, but people who grew up with

00:54:44.560 typewriters and for some reason, Palmer lucky use two spaces and you know, you use two spaces

00:54:49.640 and, um, and so Palmer's post in which he said he was going to be supporting Gary Johnson,

00:54:55.640 which was suspicious to me anyway, cause I knew we had talked so many hours about why he

00:55:00.500 supporting Trump. Uh, Palmer's post had one space, which was the first time on any of his Facebook

00:55:06.520 posts over the years that he had one space. So I thought that was suspicious. I obviously didn't

00:55:10.800 know at the time that the reason why was because Mark Zuckerberg wrote that and he had to post it,

00:55:15.100 but, but that was really what set me off. So that was like my, my one good Sherlock Holmes moment.

00:55:21.280 Um, and, and I'm pretty proud of noticing that one. Yeah. Can we be clear here though? By the way,

00:55:25.580 isn't, I mean, two spaces is the correct way, isn't it? Is it? I don't know. Yes, it is.

00:55:32.680 Two spaces is right. Yes. And I'll also, the reason I was so aware of that was because when

00:55:38.460 people leaked me emails, they oftentimes took photos of the emails and sent it to me instead

00:55:42.780 of forwarding it because I would create a paper trail. And so I would transcribe these things

00:55:46.400 and Palmer was often on the threads of when people would share stuff with me. So I was used to it,

00:55:50.100 but I would also say that John Carmack, who is one of the most brilliant people in the world and who

00:55:53.880 helped discover Palmer and is now at Oculus, uh, you know, he also uses two spaces. So I will probably

00:55:59.460 concede that when two billion people plus you guys, I'm doing it wrong, but it still grinds my gears.

00:56:07.940 It's just a little tap of one finger, man. I don't know why it's such an issue.

00:56:12.820 So can you go back to the beginning of this a little bit? And because it's one thing to say,

00:56:16.700 it's a great entrepreneurial story of a guy in a trailer coming up with something that

00:56:20.180 the best people in tech had tried to do for a while and had basically given up on at that point.

00:56:25.240 How on earth does he actually do this? What, how does he discover how to

00:56:29.420 crack this code? Well, part of it is exactly what you've said and that most of the people

00:56:33.280 had given up on it. So Palmer is a genius and a great entrepreneur and all that, but it is

00:56:38.940 partly just because he was one of, let's say less than a hundred people in the world who still cared

00:56:43.020 at cared about and believed in virtual reality. And so, you know, it seems shocking. I mean,

00:56:48.900 it just seems like such a, such a straight line sort of development when it comes to the way we're

00:56:53.260 immersed in everything. And he's not, he wasn't, he wasn't trying to crack it because I'm going to get

00:56:57.800 rich. He really believed in it. Well, that's really the thing that I think that you find with

00:57:03.720 most successful entrepreneurs or even the entrepreneurial side of writing is, you know,

00:57:07.880 I had seven years as a failed screenwriter. And then when I finally wrote something the first time

00:57:12.580 in my life, which was console wars, not for money, that was the thing that cracked because that was

00:57:17.020 passion fueled. And Palmer, he's a, he's a, he's a gamer at heart. And so he just wanted to step into

00:57:24.600 the screen and actually feel like he was in the game. So it was for his own selfish passion filled

00:57:29.320 reasons. And I was telling Glenn yesterday that the book starts in April, 2012, when he starts

00:57:34.860 Oculus and he connects with John Carmack and this whole crazy ride that ends with selling to Facebook

00:57:38.920 for $3 billion starts. But there's really a whole other story that is ignored by the three years

00:57:44.160 before that of how he cracked this code and why he did it and all that. But, you know, it's not

00:57:50.200 surprising in retrospect that he did because look what he's doing now. He has a new company,

00:57:54.040 Anderil, and they are coming up with great border solutions. They're in the defense,

00:57:58.120 the defense business. They're trying to bring technological solutions to it. So,

00:58:01.560 you know, lightning doesn't just happen to strike these people, you know, whether it's Elon Musk with

00:58:06.900 Tesla and SpaceX, you know, there's something about these kinds of people, whether it's their

00:58:11.260 brilliance, their ability to get other people on board. And Palmer Luckey is just one of those people

00:58:15.480 that I know for the next 50 years, he's going to keep dazzling us. It's most likely their

00:58:19.640 privilege. Um, but, uh, it's true because to me, and I think to you too, is, is the ultimate rags

00:58:26.540 to riches story. This kid living in a trailer. And I remember somebody once posted something like

00:58:31.800 that on Reddit. And there were people who said, Oh no, it's not a rags to riches story. He's in a

00:58:35.960 white male privilege. And I'm like, he could have been anyone. And when John Carmack reached out to him,

00:58:44.360 which set this whole thing in motion, John was reaching out to somebody, Palmer tech, that could

00:58:48.060 have been anyone. How could any of that have to do with something with this? But you're starting to

00:58:52.800 sound like a conservative and I apologize. Okay. So, um, uh, let me just talk about, uh, we were just

00:59:01.280 talking about Dave Rubin and about how he's being, you know, shut out and they're trying to shut him

00:59:05.700 down at YouTube. Um, Steven Crowder, the same thing is happening with him. Uh, you have,

00:59:13.600 you have had dealings with journalists in a completely different way. I mean, you,

00:59:19.960 you're a liberal, um, more of a classic liberal, I would think, but you considered yourself a regular

00:59:25.520 straight ahead. I've always voted Democrat since as far back as John Kerry. And then you, uh, things

00:59:32.020 have kind of changed for you because you're starting to see the same thing that we even found on our

00:59:36.760 side. Holy cow. Some of the people on our side really suck. I don't stand for what I thought we

00:59:42.560 all stood for. Um, and can you, can you go over some of the emails that you had? I brought some,

00:59:50.360 uh, some gifts. So there's a, I pulled these up because there's a great article on niche gamer by

00:59:55.820 Sophia Narwitz, who's a games writer. And she was curious about my interactions and dealings with

01:00:02.280 journalists. And to her credit was the only person who reached out to me about it. So I was happy to

01:00:06.680 share my experiences. And so I pulled up some of my emails from, from private conversations that I'd

01:00:11.640 had with, with game and tech journalists who I considered either friends or, you know, peers,

01:00:16.720 colleagues. I had a good relationship with them. And they were asking you about, okay, come on,

01:00:20.740 tell us he's really a racist or whatever. And, and you were answering them honestly, and they really

01:00:28.720 didn't have any intent of listening. Right. The one that I was telling you about yesterday was I,

01:00:32.440 I actually spent two hours on the phone with someone who I considered a friend. I mean, I was

01:00:36.320 spending two hours on the phone with him and he was asking if Palmer was a white supremacist. And I

01:00:40.320 said, I can't tell you what's in his heart, but as someone who knows him probably better than anyone

01:00:43.880 in the world, but his girlfriend, no, absolutely no. You know, you can go back to the start of

01:00:49.640 Oculus. The first three, three people he hired were an Asian guy and Indian guy and a bisexual guy.

01:00:55.840 Like, you know, he just doesn't care about that stuff. Um, and, and, and at the end of this call,

01:01:01.780 the person said, well, I guess I get what you're saying, but where's the smoking gun? I want the

01:01:05.740 proof that he's not a white supremacist. And I said, how can I give you the proof that he's not

01:01:09.640 something that he isn't? Um, and then here was a few, a few responses I got while just reaching out

01:01:15.440 privately to journalists after I had done this research and said for years. Yeah. And said,

01:01:20.600 you guys were wrong. Like you should correct your article or, or do you have any, like,

01:01:24.740 or tell me your pushback for why you think I'm wrong? Cause I don't want to publish this book.

01:01:28.220 If I'm missing something. And these articles were just to, to reset this part of it because

01:01:32.180 people had blamed him after he had come out and supported Trump. And it was not even a, in a major

01:01:37.700 public way, but he had made a small donation to one, uh, you know, a political organization

01:01:42.100 and had appeared at one rally where he wasn't hiding, but he wasn't like a main featured speaker

01:01:46.480 or anything. Right. The issue, the issue was largely that the organization he donated to people

01:01:51.840 would say, Oh, it was not just a harmless organization. This, this organization, Nimble 0.63

01:01:55.620 America, their plan was, uh, their actual plan was to put up billboards across America,

01:02:02.400 meme like billboards, just like more like younger, funny. Yeah. Certainly nothing offensive about

01:02:07.800 them, but people said, people interpreted that as that they were going to put up hateful,

01:02:11.600 that they had put up hateful memes across the internet. And this was a journalism error.

01:02:16.380 Like, I mean, like quite clearly put up one. It was not. Yeah. In the entire history of Nimble

01:02:21.900 America, they put up one billboard ever. And it was, and what did it say? It said controversially

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