The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： John Ondrasik, Dale Brisby, & Trey Trainor l 9⧸16⧸21

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00:00:25.040 I want to have a an adult conversation here, which means I want you to think of things in a different way.

00:00:39.580 I've been looking into this this Twitter and the Hunter Biden laptop and how Twitter was was found OK with what they did with the laptop.

00:00:55.040 And banning everybody from talking about the laptop. They say it was a business decision and it was cleared by the FEC, the Federal Elections Commission.

00:01:03.580 And and my first knee jerk was, of course, they get away with it.

00:01:12.160 But as I look into it and I listen to people who who were actually there and help make the decision,

00:01:21.840 I think the SEC may have done the right thing because we are a system of rules.

00:01:29.820 And I do not want mission drift from any government agency, especially the FEC.

00:01:39.500 I want to talk to and introduce you to Trey Traynor.

00:01:43.400 He is a commissioner of the Federal Election Commission.

00:01:46.620 He was appointed by President Donald Trump.

00:01:50.120 He if I'm not mistaken, he voted to say, you know, Twitter did no wrong.

00:01:56.660 But I want you to listen to why, because this these are the moments of courage.

00:02:03.460 If you agree with what I believe he did, these are the moments of courage that we must have.

00:02:10.040 And we must be careful not to condemn people because they didn't take a shortcut, no shortcuts.

00:02:18.640 They will only get us into more trouble.

00:02:21.860 Trey is with us now.

00:02:23.260 James E. Trey Traynor, the third from the FEC.

00:02:29.160 Trey, thank you for the courage for not only doing what you did, but also coming on the program today.

00:02:33.360 I know you're getting heat from all sides.

00:02:36.260 Thank you.

00:02:36.980 Thank you, Glenn.

00:02:37.660 And yes, I am.

00:02:39.300 And so I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about the decision that we made.

00:02:43.260 OK, so we've got about eight minutes to go through this.

00:02:48.060 Here's the here's the thing.

00:02:49.680 They the Twitter and Jack blocked a New York Post story about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:02:57.200 They said they were acting for business reasons.

00:03:00.520 My knee jerk reaction is they weren't acting for business reasons.

00:03:04.300 They were censoring this to make sure that they weren't affecting the election in a negative way because they thought they got Donald Trump elected by covering all the stuff Donald Trump said.

00:03:17.440 How did you view it and why did you guys come up with, yeah, Twitter did no wrong here?

00:03:24.040 Well, Glenn, I always start with the fact that the Federal Election Commission is an agency that is explicitly designed by our government to limit our First Amendment rights.

00:03:35.200 And as such, it really is the wrong vehicle to go after social media companies because there's really a greater harm to our First Amendment free speech rights if we were to expand the jurisdiction of the commission.

00:03:50.080 And our court system has said that the sole purpose of the Federal Election Commission is to regulate constitutionally protected speech.

00:03:58.120 So we have a very limited jurisdiction and we need to be very protective of what we claim to be violations of campaign finance law.

00:04:08.800 And so if you would have is I understand this and I haven't heard your opinion on this.

00:04:16.140 But if I understand this, if you guys would have gone after Twitter because you're looking at Twitter and you're not determining whether or not they're a publisher or an editor, you're you don't have that authority.

00:04:30.300 You're looking at them or you can look at them and say this is an editorial decision, whether that's right or wrong.

00:04:36.920 That's for another agency. But if we for an editorial decision, if we get them, then you can come after me on talk radio.

00:04:46.040 You can come after anybody who is doing things like this that claim to be an editor.

00:04:51.500 Is that correct? That is exactly correct.

00:04:54.560 You know, it is if we were to say that the decision to throttle the Hunter Biden story was a violation of campaign finance, then we would have a flood of complaints where we would have to find the same thing, whether it be you, you know, God rest his soul.

00:05:13.460 It would have been every time Rush went on the radio explaining anything, it would have been all of everybody on the right would have gotten a complaint filed against them immediately if we would have found that Twitter had violated campaign finance rule.

00:05:30.300 So, you know, and I can understand why people think that it's a campaign finance violation, because, you know, people of goodwill, believing in the virtue of their cause, are going to reach for whatever tool they seem to see available.

00:05:43.920 And they think of the Federal Election Commission as that entity that's the easiest to go after.

00:05:51.620 But, you know, when you look at it, the Federal Election Campaign Act was last amended in 2002, and so it really predates anything that we have to do in our modern world.

00:06:04.820 I mean, at that time, AOL was the biggest thing on the Internet, and we were still using modems and desktops.

00:06:11.880 So, you know, they're trying to apply a statute that deals with technologies that are no longer existent and apply them to technologies where, you know, today people get all of their news, you know, in a handheld device.

00:06:31.980 You know, I mean, 15% of adult Americans get their news from Twitter, according to a few recent people in 2021.

00:06:39.560 So, we're talking about 39 million Americans getting their news from that entity.

00:06:45.460 And if you're going to allow a federal agency to start to regulate what an entity of news that goes to 39 million Americans can and can't say, then we're on a very slippery slope to the government regulating what any news site can say.

00:07:01.300 Right. I mean, I know our Blaze Glenn Beck world footprint is about 50 million Americans a month.

00:07:09.560 That's a lot of people, and we would be, in this regulation, we would be massive, massive targets.

00:07:18.180 So, let me ask you this, and you can comment on this or not, but as I see this, you could be saying, or others could be saying, look, I think this is an in-kind contribution to the extent that they knew what they were doing.

00:07:38.860 They knew they were swinging the election, but that because they're an editor, even though they claim they're not, because they have editorial license and content, I can't call it an in-kind contribution because it's technically not.

00:08:01.040 But that's kind of the way it feels, but that's kind of the way it feels to me.

00:08:04.720 Right.

00:08:05.100 Would that be fair to say that?

00:08:07.540 It would be fair.

00:08:08.720 I mean, look, they decided to moderate the content that their users were allowed to see.

00:08:16.080 But do you believe it was for actual business reasons?

00:08:19.120 I'm not asking you on the legal side.

00:08:21.260 I'm asking as a person.

00:08:23.540 Does it, does the business, what was their business reason for doing this?

00:08:28.500 Well, they have, you know, they have specific algorithms that are proprietary to, to Twitter.

00:08:35.540 They had concerns that material on the laptop itself had been hacked.

00:08:40.720 They have, they actually have written business policies that they produced to the commission that show that they will not, you know, reproduce hacked materials.

00:08:51.260 And they had concerns about criminal investigations that were ongoing.

00:08:55.360 And so, you know, they, they have specific business purposes that they produced to the commission that, you know, they, they're not going to allow law enforcement material to be applied.

00:09:07.540 So they, they had, you know, complex business reasons that exist, pre-existed the, the story related to Hunter Biden as part of their policy.

00:09:19.420 And so it was legitimate business activity on their part that reflected a commercial consideration that they have.

00:09:25.440 And, you know, the fact of the matter is, is even if that commercial activity would have had an explicit partisan bias because it was in fact commercial activity, it was something that cannot be regulated by the federal government.

00:09:47.220 We don't want to be in the business of regulating how businesses are run and what editorial decisions they make, uh, when they're moderating those.

00:09:57.240 All right. So wait, so wait, so let me ask you, um, one question here that is a change in me.

00:10:02.120 I've always been free market. I still am. I am a, I am a free market constitutionalist.

00:10:09.480 I don't think we have a free market anymore and we haven't looked at the constitution. Uh, I mean, God knows what the national archives are going to say about it next.

00:10:20.020 Um, with that being said, um, I'm to the point now where I think conservatives need to wake up and I, this may be different than your official role as the federal election, uh, commission officer.

00:10:35.180 Um, we have got to stop saying, well, it's private business. They can do what they want.

00:10:41.180 These businesses are colluding with each other and with the United States governor, uh, government and a, a political party.

00:10:50.180 So it's not just a private thing anymore. This is a public private partnership.

00:10:56.500 And there's a difference between a free enterprise, uh, and a, and a corporation that is not getting all kinds of favors and everything else.

00:11:07.720 Uh, and one that is. So when you say we can't get into this realm, do you mean as conservatives and as, uh, all aspects of the government or just the role of the sec?

00:11:26.500 Well, I think first and foremost, I'm talking about the role of the federal election commission, but I think if you get back to first principles in talking about what we as conservatives need to do in order to, uh, get back to our constitutional roots, we have to look towards what did the founders mean when they said that there is freedom of the press.

00:11:47.700 Um, and they did not mean that we have to protect the modern journalistic class from some sort of, uh, regulation.

00:11:55.600 What they meant by that rather was that we need to protect the printing press, um, and it's modern analogies, the apparatus for being able to speak, uh, to the public.

00:12:07.400 And we have to protect the right of anyone to be able to disseminate their opinions, whatever those opinions may be, um, you know, left, right, or center.

00:12:18.560 Uh, and that includes, we have to protect the rights of Twitter to be able to disseminate, uh, their, um, ideas, uh, whether even if they, even if they're partisan and, and, and even if they, um, at the end have an effect on, uh, what people believe from the news.

00:12:39.820 I mean, this is the, this is the real problem with the, the, the, the fake news is that we still have to protect that right to put out fake news.

00:12:48.320 Our founders were very, very clear on that.

00:12:51.440 Um, uh, Trey, I appreciate it.

00:12:53.220 I'm sorry.

00:12:53.620 I wish we had more time.

00:12:54.600 I'd like to talk to you more, but I appreciate you coming on today.

00:12:57.800 I know it was not an easy choice.

00:12:59.320 Um, but, uh, thank you.

00:13:00.900 And please hold fast to the constitution, uh, whether our side wins or loses because of that.

00:13:08.420 Just do the right thing.

00:13:10.200 Continue to do it.

00:13:11.140 Trey, thank you so much.

00:13:12.480 Thank you so much, Glenn.

00:13:13.360 You bet.

00:13:14.100 Commissioner of the federal election, uh, commission.

00:13:20.360 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:13:22.160 And we really want to thank you for listening.

00:13:30.960 I can't stand to fly.

00:13:35.640 I'm not that nice.

00:13:38.420 This is a song that is forever, at least burned into my memory, uh, as the song for the heroes of 9-11 Superman by John Adrasik.

00:13:53.800 Um, John is an amazing guy.

00:13:57.640 He's a singer, songwriter, um, uh, for five for fighting.

00:14:03.500 Uh, he's, I think he's been on the show before, uh, our show, but you know, I don't know his politics.

00:14:09.580 I know that he stands up for the military.

00:14:12.000 I know that he is trying to do good with his power in his career.

00:14:18.600 Uh, and I have, I'm not only a fan, I also am a, um, uh, also am a fan of a nice guy.

00:14:27.060 He's trying to be a good guy.

00:14:29.140 He's getting some heat because, uh, he's coming on this program.

00:14:32.500 He tweeted, I'm going to be on the Glenn Beck radio program talking about blood on my hands and the current situation on the ground in Afghanistan.

00:14:39.120 And, um, he got a lot of heat from some of his fans.

00:14:42.080 If you had any shred of dignity, you wouldn't go on these shows that continue to lie about the election and vaccines.

00:14:47.180 I don't know what those lies are, but, um, as somebody else, I'm surprised to see, uh, he's one of the people hurting us. 0.81

00:14:53.180 I'm so sad to see, uh, his choice to join with liars and demagogues. 0.89

00:14:57.640 That's a good name of her show instead of, you know, Glenn and Stu, liars and demagogues, maybe.

00:15:02.740 Um, we welcome now to the program, uh, John Andrasik.

00:15:06.920 Hi, John.

00:15:07.540 How are you?

00:15:09.100 Hey, Glenn.

00:15:10.100 Demagogue is a good name for a rock band. 0.99

00:15:11.900 The demagogues, um, you are in the news this week because you wrote a song and I don't know when, uh, rock and roll became, you know, obey the man and don't, don't question authority.

00:15:29.200 Um, but you wrote a song and I want to play a little bit of it, blood on my hands.

00:15:33.420 Uh, and it was, you're not allowed to promote it on Facebook.

00:15:37.600 Here it is.

00:15:38.420 This, I think, is something that everybody is feeling right now.

00:16:06.840 I don't understand what's happening and I just want to ask some questions, uh, and you are, you are asking some pretty profound questions and some questions that every American should be asking.

00:16:20.180 Tell me, uh, Willie, uh, Millie, when did you decide this will defend your sacred motto now means nevermind?

00:16:29.840 Um, why can't Blinken, why can't you look us in the eye?

00:16:33.960 I mean, those are important things to question.

00:16:36.340 Tell me where the song came from and the reaction to it.

00:16:39.720 Well, you know, Glenn, I think like everybody, when, uh, the first images that are coming out of Afghanistan, uh, you know, the people falling off planes and mothers throwing their babies over walls and, you know, people getting crushed at checkpoints.

00:16:54.740 It kind of, in a way, it kind of, in a way reminded me of 9-11 and just the horrific images and that kind of stunned what is happening.

00:17:02.920 And, uh, but it really didn't, really didn't start forming as a song till the day our 13 soldiers were killed and the 100 Afghans were killed by the suicide bomber.

00:17:10.840 Or, like, uh, like musicians and, and probably you, you probably have a punching bag or something you do or go for a walk or a run when you get mad.

00:17:19.280 I, I sit at the piano and just bang.

00:17:21.520 And I went up there and, uh, still had no intention of writing a song.

00:17:25.840 And, um, but then a few days later when I was driving my family to Mammoth for a nice weekend, I got a call from a friend and I pulled over and she said to me,

00:17:37.420 Hey, I need some help. Can you give me a certain contact to some, some folks I know?

00:17:41.440 And I said, sure. What's going on?

00:17:43.420 And she said, well, I'm organizing evacs of ACITs and SIVs from Afghanistan.

00:17:49.340 And I'm like, and again, I'm, you know, I'm a naive singer.

00:17:53.180 I'm like, what's an, what's an AMCIT, ACIT?

00:17:55.700 She's like American citizen. 0.58

00:17:57.260 And I'm like, wait a minute, you're telling me that private citizens are risk, risk, risking their lives to go rescue our people that our government left behind.

00:18:06.420 And this is a tough, toughie, this, this, this woman.

00:18:10.040 And she started crying and, and I'm like, what is happening?

00:18:14.900 So, um, a couple of verses were written that day.

00:18:17.960 And then finally, finally, when president Biden came out and gave his extraordinary success speech, um, obviously like all of us, I was kind of stunned.

00:18:28.000 And, and, and I was hopeful because I've always, as you know, I've been a big supporter of the military and I was hopeful that General Milley and, and General Austin would, will come out and put some perspective on that.

00:18:37.940 Because I've always felt, look, politicians are who they are, but our generals are the adults in the room.

00:18:42.560 And if things get really sketchy, they'll, uh, they'll make, you know, at least make the right decisions or be honest with us.

00:18:48.260 But when they started parodying the, oh, extraordinary success, look at this amazing evac, everything went according to plan.

00:18:55.800 I got scared.

00:18:57.180 I'm like, this is dangerous because I realized at that moment, this is not a humanitarian mission.

00:19:02.920 This is not a military mission.

00:19:05.160 This is a political exercise.

00:19:06.780 So, the last few verses about Milley and Austin and Blinken basically wrote themselves.

00:19:14.260 And, uh, and then, you know, I waited till 9-11, uh, was over, um, because certainly you don't want to put a song like this out over that weekend.

00:19:21.360 And I put it out the next day.

00:19:23.180 And, uh, I think a lot of people agree with the message.

00:19:26.880 Um, unfortunately, we're such a tribal country that there's many folks who, uh, are not interested in, uh, letting, letting me hear it.

00:19:34.580 Um, and I'm not accusing Facebook of that because I think this was more of an algorithm thing.

00:19:38.440 But the problem is, you know, that we've seen so many examples of censorship from big tech that when something like this happens, it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:19:47.680 But, uh, it's getting out there.

00:19:49.300 People are resonating.

00:19:50.460 I'm getting hundreds of emails from all walks of life, all political stripes, certainly veterans, military families.

00:19:56.980 So, I think it's an important message because, as you said, it's a moral issue.

00:20:01.300 It's not a political issue.

00:20:02.620 And deep down, we all know what happened with a calamity.

00:20:07.840 I'll tell you, John, I, I've never, I mean, I've been embarrassed by my country historically.

00:20:14.620 Um, you know, there were times, uh, that I've seen some of our presidents say things, do things, and I'm like, oh, geez, that's going to leave a mark.

00:20:22.960 Um, and there were times even under Donald Trump that I thought, I'm embarrassed.

00:20:27.800 Stop, stop tweeting.

00:20:29.160 Stop saying these things.

00:20:30.400 You know what I mean?

00:20:31.480 Uh, that's different than his policies, which I generally supported.

00:20:35.620 Um, uh, but this was the first time that I felt my country in the time.

00:20:43.060 You know what I mean?

00:20:43.600 I've, I know we've done it in the past, but in real time, this is the first time I have been shocked, horrified, scared, uh, at the lack of honor.

00:20:57.400 And I think people, no matter what walk of life, I think we all felt this is dishonorable, really dishonorable.

00:21:07.680 You wrote a line.

00:21:09.400 I can't hear her scream.

00:21:10.960 If she's not, if she's not on TV, I can't hear him scream.

00:21:15.020 If he's not, he's not, he's not on TV.

00:21:17.540 What do you mean by that?

00:21:19.760 I can't agree with you more.

00:21:23.140 And, um, just to echo what you said, if Donald Trump were president and we were in this situation, I would write the same song and the names would change.

00:21:31.720 It would be the same song because it is a moral issue.

00:21:34.100 And believe me, I'm no huge Trump fan and I've been embarrassed by him before, but as this is, I think, a generational catastrophe because our word, the American word matters.

00:21:46.780 No man left behind matters.

00:21:48.800 Um, and why would anybody trust us again?

00:21:51.620 I am ashamed.

00:21:53.120 Glenn, I just got off the phone with my friend who I mentioned inspired the song.

00:21:57.140 I talked to her every day, though.

00:21:59.220 She goes radio silent, you know, for a couple of days.

00:22:01.620 And then I start to worry, but literally when you guys called, I hung up with her.

00:22:06.440 She would tell me about a music school that was burned down by the Taliban and the children are in hiding and they're trying to get them out.

00:22:14.580 But they're having struggling with the state department because there's this thing called a lily pad transfer.

00:22:19.680 I'm learning all this stuff.

00:22:20.620 I have no idea that they have to get permission from a country to take them.

00:22:24.260 That's happening right now.

00:22:25.780 Okay.

00:22:26.500 What do we see on television?

00:22:27.940 You know, certain usual suspects still focus on Afghanistan, but the media has moved on.

00:22:34.300 And to me, that's a shame.

00:22:35.500 I feel, I feel ashamed because you're right.

00:22:38.480 If it's not on TV, it doesn't matter in America.

00:22:41.380 And those kids are trapped.

00:22:43.400 There's people getting tortured and it's on us.

00:22:46.820 It didn't have to happen.

00:22:48.680 And it's not about the decision to withdraw or not.

00:22:50.900 We could have done it in a much orderly way.

00:22:52.800 We could have kept Bagram.

00:22:54.040 We could have kept a small force, kept air power to have been very, I wouldn't say easy, but it didn't have to be this way.

00:23:00.520 And it doesn't have to be this way now.

00:23:02.300 But that's happening as we speak.

00:23:04.100 And we're supposed to be a compassionate country.

00:23:05.980 I hear that from, you know, some of the folks on the other side that frankly don't have any interest in playing this song.

00:23:12.080 And I'm wondering, is this America 2.0?

00:23:15.040 And I really don't like it very much.

00:23:16.600 And I'm with you.

00:23:17.240 I'm ashamed.

00:23:18.420 And I don't know what to do.

00:23:20.400 Sometimes songwriters have no words.

00:23:22.120 It's rare, but I have no words.

00:23:24.940 Sean, I, do you have any thoughts on what the hell has happened to the arts community,

00:23:36.020 the songwriters, the musicians, rock and roll is a rebellion.

00:23:44.780 It is about questioning authority.

00:23:48.460 I mean, when you're going after Eric Clapton for a song about COVID-19 and the lockdown,

00:23:57.780 when you're going after Clapton, what has rock and roll and music become?

00:24:03.620 Isn't it ironic that rock and roll, speaking to the man, now the music industry and all the publications is the man?

00:24:16.280 It's surreal.

00:24:17.640 They used to appreciate rebels.

00:24:19.540 Now they have pseudo rebels.

00:24:21.760 And they're all, I think, I think it's two things.

00:24:24.480 I think there are people who agree with our sentiments.

00:24:28.500 And I think pretty much everyone does.

00:24:30.420 But they're scared.

00:24:31.520 They will, you know, it will affect their career.

00:24:34.060 They may get canceled.

00:24:35.060 They may get their concerts canceled.

00:24:37.300 And if the machine comes after them, they're scared.

00:24:39.860 And I think the other side of it is what permeates the whole country is the tribal group thing.

00:24:44.740 Okay.

00:24:45.020 We've gotten to a point where we're so tribal that no matter what the issue is, we don't think it, look at it through a moral lens.

00:24:52.400 We look at a political lens.

00:24:53.460 Does this hurt our side or not?

00:24:55.280 And if it hurts our side, we're going to buy and parrot.

00:25:00.820 And I'll say this to your audience.

00:25:02.640 What's happening with the left on the extraordinary success is similar to what happens on the right with Donald Trump winning a landslide.

00:25:10.020 All these people walk around, Donald Trump won in a landslide.

00:25:12.460 Donald Trump did not win a landslide.

00:25:13.980 Donald Trump lost the election.

00:25:14.960 And similar with this Afghanistan parodying of an extraordinary success.

00:25:19.520 What a evac.

00:25:20.440 And it was disgusting to see some of the Democrats in the Congress questioning Blinken, basically just towing that party line.

00:25:27.520 When they know deep down this is catastrophic for America, that's a sickness.

00:25:31.640 That's a malignancy this country has.

00:25:33.400 And if we don't address that, then I fear for our grandchildren.

00:25:37.420 Because if it's an Orwellian narrative, it's an Orwellian world.

00:25:40.400 And we're moving down that path.

00:25:41.540 John, I appreciate what you're doing.

00:25:46.260 If you wouldn't mind holding, I'd like to talk to you off air about your friend in Afghanistan.

00:25:50.280 I don't know if you're aware of what we're doing.

00:25:52.720 I can't make any promises, but I can at least see if we can help at all.

00:25:59.040 It is, if our country isn't going to do it, it is our personal responsibility that we do the right thing, even if our country doesn't.

00:26:09.760 John, thank you.

00:26:11.540 Hold on for just a second.

00:26:13.900 If you want to hear the song, you can find it pretty much anywhere.

00:26:19.920 Blood on my hands.

00:26:21.100 It is a song that is not sticking it to the man, is asking the man, what the hell is going on?

00:26:30.940 I think we deserve some answers.

00:26:32.540 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:26:38.720 I'm going to play a clip of a Netflix show, How to Be a Cowboy.

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00:27:06.700 Yes, Mom?

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00:27:12.160 Welcome to Radiator Ranch.

00:27:14.080 There's a lot to learn from our way of life, so you may as well learn it from the best.

00:27:18.360 The one and only Dale Brisby.

00:27:20.340 Are you crying?

00:27:24.360 It's a circle of life.

00:27:25.820 I appreciate Mother Nature.

00:27:27.360 If you don't, then you ain't no cowboy.

00:27:29.340 Oh, yeah.

00:27:30.240 One, two, three.

00:27:32.300 If you're not a cowboy, don't step in here.

00:27:44.700 How to Be a Cowboy is on Netflix, and there's a method to my madness on why I'm asking the

00:27:52.560 greatest bull rider of all time, as well as, and he'll tell you himself, the most humble.

00:27:57.860 No evidence of him being on a bull ever, but legend has it that he has been 90 in Maine,

00:28:06.380 Spain, Spokane, Fort Wayne, Alabama, and by legend, we mean his YouTube channel.

00:28:14.420 Welcome to the program, Dale Brisby.

00:28:17.540 How are you, sir?

00:28:18.940 It's good to be here.

00:28:20.060 Thanks for rolling out the red carpet, sir.

00:28:22.180 You bet.

00:28:23.300 So I had a thought the other day.

00:28:25.660 Somebody had said about one of the guys, one of the congressmen that went over to save

00:28:30.800 people in Afghanistan, the headline was, he's acting like a cowboy.

00:28:36.600 And I thought, yeah, if you mean live by a set of code that, you know, includes honor and

00:28:42.640 integrity, yeah.

00:28:44.440 And we give cowboys, the elites give cowboys a bad name.

00:28:49.160 But the cowboy life is who I think every man should try to emulate.

00:28:56.880 I agree 100%.

00:28:58.500 It's funny that you say that because I was looking up articles about the Netflix show and

00:29:03.180 I looked and definition of a cowboy popped up.

00:29:05.740 One definition was someone who tends to livestock, usually horseback.

00:29:10.300 The second definition was typically aggressive or something like that.

00:29:15.420 And I thought, well, we might be aggressive in that we ride a bull, but I mean, we're, as

00:29:20.900 you might see in the show, like we're pretty caring towards animal and our fellow human

00:29:26.540 beings.

00:29:27.200 Yeah.

00:29:27.640 I don't, I've never heard that.

00:29:29.360 I think you have to live out West and to actually have met cowboys to understand that

00:29:35.460 they're, they're some of the least aggressive guys.

00:29:37.640 I mean, I suppose you could walk into a bar and find some wannabe cowboy that is aggressive,

00:29:42.480 but generally speaking, cowboy, if you live out West and to me means a guy who a cowboy

00:29:49.920 contract looks you in the eye, shakes your hand, and that's all you need.

00:29:55.160 You don't need writing.

00:29:56.160 You don't need an attorney.

00:29:57.420 It's going to be done.

00:29:58.900 There's honor.

00:30:00.420 Absolutely, man.

00:30:01.340 You gave me chill bumps the way you described it just because, you know, I think maybe people

00:30:05.540 have the old Western show in mind where they, they envision a guy in a bar like what you're

00:30:10.680 talking about and he's real aggressive and he's, he's drinking from a bottle that has

00:30:14.260 three X's on it, you know, and he gets in a duel, but I've never been in any duels.

00:30:20.120 And, uh, my, my old man was kind of a description of what you just said, a mix between John Wayne

00:30:25.460 and Woodrow F.

00:30:26.200 Call from Lonesome Dove.

00:30:27.520 And when you shook his hand, it meant, meant something.

00:30:29.940 Yeah.

00:30:30.060 Um, so I am, I'm a rancher and when I say I'm a rancher, I, I have a farm and a ranch

00:30:38.000 and I go there from time to time and I'll cut like, you know, the hay field until I get

00:30:44.560 bored and then I'll get off and I'll say, all right, go ahead.

00:30:47.720 So I'm not really a rancher or a farmer, but it is the life that I tried to get away from

00:30:54.940 with my family as a kid.

00:30:56.860 I just wanted to live in New York city and it is the life I would give everything to

00:31:01.420 be able to return to full time.

00:31:03.320 There is something about living on a farm and, and reconnecting with animals and, and the

00:31:13.780 land that makes us American.

00:31:16.480 And, and you just, you don't have to teach an awful lot of stuff because you're taught

00:31:23.340 just by living it.

00:31:25.740 Absolutely.

00:31:26.600 You know, the, the idea of the show actually came from, you know, me being a cowboy in social

00:31:31.480 media, I get a lot of people that, uh, are thinking the exact same thing that you are.

00:31:36.180 Now reach out to me about wanting to learn about this lifestyle.

00:31:39.620 And that's where the show idea came from.

00:31:41.760 But essentially they are seeing exactly what you're seeing.

00:31:45.100 Now, some people get here and they realize, okay, I can work way less than this and make

00:31:52.860 more money.

00:31:53.880 Oh yeah.

00:31:54.320 Doing something else.

00:31:55.240 Well, wait a minute.

00:31:55.860 Hold on just a second.

00:31:57.000 You can raise cattle and make money.

00:31:59.660 You'll have to tell me how that's done.

00:32:01.880 Not much.

00:32:02.720 Right.

00:32:03.220 Okay.

00:32:04.660 Most people with big ranches you see are doing it because it's a tax write-off and you'll,

00:32:09.680 you'll notice like, Oh, you guys do this because you love it.

00:32:11.940 You know, but I haven't figured out the tax write-off thing either.

00:32:17.800 So I've got to get on that as well.

00:32:20.220 Um, the changes to, uh, farming, the changes to the ranching industry over the last few

00:32:28.980 years, what does it mean to America if we lose it?

00:32:32.000 Well, I mean, I mean, shoot, we lose what's in the grocery store, unfortunately, you know,

00:32:41.660 so I think that that's a start, you know, it's just, I feel like people just need to

00:32:46.000 be less headline readers and look more at the facts of what this does for, for the country.

00:32:53.940 I mean, we're literally feeding America and, and, and I think that that needs to be respected,

00:32:59.520 not just used as a slang term for someone that might be too aggressive.

00:33:05.120 So I wanted to talk to you because I think, um, I mean, we're, we're raising, and we've

00:33:10.860 been doing this for about 30, maybe 40 years.

00:33:12.980 We're raising weak men, just absolutely weak men.

00:33:17.180 Uh, and that destroys nations, uh, and, uh, we need to find strong men and I'm in the midst

00:33:26.680 of writing some stuff about cowboy rules.

00:33:29.160 And I wanted to know to you from you, what are the things that to you scream cowboy that

00:33:38.700 men need to do? 1.00

00:33:42.360 Ah, man, that's a lot.

00:33:44.540 That's a big question.

00:33:45.820 One thing that is, is interesting to me, there's a country singer, his name's Cody Johnson.

00:33:50.380 And he told me he visited with the guy who wrote Chris Ledoux's biography.

00:33:55.640 Chris Ledoux is a cowboy, rodeo cowboy, very famous.

00:33:58.920 He passed away of cancer, unfortunately.

00:34:00.860 But the guy who wrote his biography said to Cody, the one thing I wish that I'd have put

00:34:05.580 in this book that I didn't was Chris's definition of a cowboy.

00:34:09.340 And it was this, he said, it's someone who lets their yes be yes and their no be no.

00:34:14.980 And, you know, you can get into the technical definition of the fact that, you know, you

00:34:19.440 need to ride a horse every day to make your living.

00:34:21.920 But essentially it's that code you're talking about.

00:34:25.320 And, uh, for me, it's God first, family second, and you know, the rest all, I mean, love

00:34:32.880 God, love people, you know, as it says in Mark.

00:34:36.080 And, um, and, and, and that's the start of being a cowboy in my opinion.

00:34:40.700 So I want to ask you if question, if emphasis on the, if, if Dale Brisby was a fictional

00:34:49.140 character, uh, how would he fare on the TV show Yellowstone?

00:34:54.500 Um, I mean, would he be taking people to the train station or would you be delivered to

00:34:59.980 the train station?

00:35:00.800 If you've, if you're a fan of that show, I don't know if you are, uh, I'm, I'm a fan

00:35:06.020 of, of most things that Taylor Sheridan does.

00:35:08.460 But, um, no, it's, uh, you know, Dale Brisby is going to be that unique character that you

00:35:14.220 can't figure out if he's the good guy or an outlaw, you know, he's, uh, usually when

00:35:19.240 that's one of the things I kind of like about, cause we are so far away from, uh, right and

00:35:25.760 wrong and a cowboy culture.

00:35:28.060 And I don't mean a lawlessness, but there are times when you're just like that, that

00:35:32.560 shouldn't be that way.

00:35:33.740 It, it should, that, that we should be able to take care of that, you know what I mean?

00:35:38.140 And so it's confusing to see now things you're like, well, that's the way it should be, but

00:35:43.840 it's not that way.

00:35:44.860 So I don't know if that's an outlaw or a good guy.

00:35:49.080 Does that make sense to you?

00:35:50.220 Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:51.660 Well, there's, you know, there's that old saying, there's no honor among thieves.

00:35:54.960 Well, when even the thieves are complaining about the way things are, that make you question

00:36:00.580 what's going on.

00:36:01.520 Well, it's good to talk to you.

00:36:03.760 Thank you so much.

00:36:04.560 We'd love to, uh, uh, love to meet you.

00:36:06.980 I'd love to actually come out to the ranch and see you guys, uh, at some point.

00:36:10.760 But, uh.

00:36:11.040 Well, it's been great to interact with you and hear what all that you're doing, you

00:36:14.580 know, with, with the Nazarene Fund and et cetera.

00:36:17.000 I'm, I'm, I'm waiting to hear back from them on some stuff.

00:36:20.220 So I'm excited to, to help just with the cause that you've got going on.

00:36:24.960 Oh, I wasn't aware of that, but thank you so much.

00:36:27.480 I appreciate that.

00:36:28.500 Thank you.

00:36:28.940 Yes, sir.

00:36:29.600 No, big, big, big thumbs up on those, on those organizations that you're backing.

00:36:34.320 Thank you.

00:36:34.740 Well, you have huge fans, uh, here at the Mercury studio.

00:36:38.960 Um, uh, the host of how to be a cowboy, Dale Brisby.

00:36:44.060 It's on Netflix.

00:36:45.220 It is a fun show that you should watch, uh, how to be a cowboy takes everything.

00:36:50.980 People think about Texans and, uh, takes it up about 10,000%.

00:36:56.220 Uh, pretty much.

00:36:59.900 Yeah.

00:37:00.600 How to be a cowboy on Netflix.

00:37:02.440 Thanks so much, Dale.

00:37:03.200 Appreciate it.

00:37:03.980 God bless.

00:37:04.340 Yes, sir.

00:37:04.740 Thank you, Mr. Beck.

00:37:05.640 Have a good day.

00:37:06.080 Na, na, na, na, na.

00:37:07.620 Na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 16, 2021

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