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00:02:33.600 John Solomon, who I think is one of the best journalists in the country,

00:02:36.660 He is the CEO of Just the News and editor-in-chief of Just the News.

00:02:41.940 He is also an unpaid advisor to President Trump on this issue because he has been at the forefront of exposing and getting these things declassified.

00:02:54.160 And so he knows the story better than anybody else.

00:02:57.140 Welcome to the program, John.

00:02:58.820 How are you?

00:02:59.720 I'm great, Glenn.

00:03:00.680 Great to be with you.

00:03:01.500 Thanks for having me on.

00:03:02.660 Can you quickly explain your new role at the White House?

00:03:05.220 What is it that you do?

00:03:07.740 How do you separate that from news and journalism?

00:03:10.360 That's a great question.

00:03:11.360 So really, I'm just a journalist who got the chance to go to the White House and tell the White House which documents I've heard about that I've never been able to get through FOIA lawsuits or through my relationship with Tulsi Gabbard.

00:03:22.280 I had heard these things about China getting 220 million voter records, and I couldn't get them out of Tulsi Gabbard before I left.

00:03:30.100 And so at some point, the White House said, well, listen, why don't you just come here, work with a team of intelligence officers, tell them what you want.

00:03:37.720 When they find it and we'll declassify it, then you can go out and explain to the American public.

00:03:42.180 So I have the sort of the same exact role that I do every day, other than I just have a shortcut to getting the documents that I think will benefit the entire country.

00:03:50.420 Has that ever happened in history in America?

00:03:52.560 I've never heard of that.

00:03:53.840 I mean, that is.

00:03:54.220 I don't think so.

00:03:55.200 I have to thank the president.

00:03:56.460 That is quite the deal.

00:03:57.280 Yeah.

00:03:57.540 Yeah. Susie Wiles and the president decided this would be a good idea. By the way, it's built on a model. They didn't use a journalist at the time, but Barack Obama had a transparency office in the White House in 2015 and 16. And that's what I modeled it up as my suggestion. And they have come back. So there's seven or eight career intelligence officers. I tell them what I've learned as a reporter. They go out and try to find it. If they find it, they say, we got something. Can't show you yet. We'll get it declassified. They take it over the White House. They get it classified. They send it to the intelligence.

00:04:26.860 is this accurate? Yep. Anything that you want redacted that, you know, sources of methods.

00:04:31.660 And then as a mere mortal, I finally get to look at it. And then I go out and try to tell the

00:04:35.380 public what we found. Okay. April this year, you guys reported on the 2020 election meddling.

00:04:42.000 We did. So what did we hear last night that was new? Anything? So yeah, a lot. So in April,

00:04:49.400 I had the benefit of something very small. I had a single document from Avril Haines's team

00:04:54.720 with two sentences saying, hey, we think China got access to voter files.

00:04:59.040 What did that mean? 0.95

00:05:00.200 That sounds serious because I know we indicted Iranian hackers

00:05:04.220 for getting access to just 100,000 voter files in 2020.

00:05:07.680 So what's China been doing?

00:05:09.300 Why don't we know about it?

00:05:10.820 When those documents came back, I was floored.

00:05:13.280 I was literally floored, Glenn, because what we learned was that

00:05:17.060 China didn't have just some files, not 100,000 like Iran, 220 million.

00:05:24.200 they had the holy grail of the voter list in america and this shocked me because for one

00:05:29.480 we indicted iran for just a hundred thousand two the cia had these documents saying if anyone ever

00:05:34.680 got these voter files here are the nefarious things they can do three in 2024 joe biden got

00:05:39.960 up and railed on china because china had um hacked uh great britain's uh voter file database by the

00:05:47.720 way only 40 million files there about a fifth of what was taken from america and no one told the

00:05:53.720 the American public through this whole time. We were much larger victims. By the way, this is

00:05:58.020 larger than the Equifax leak of 2017, which was about 148 million Americans impacted, 220 million.

00:06:06.180 We were kept in the dark about something that in any other time would have been immediately alerted

00:06:11.600 to the public. So John, I just said at the same time, the media and half the states are saying

00:06:18.140 we can't give the U.S. federal government access to voter data files because it's too dangerous for

00:06:24.980 the U.S. to have. The media today is on television saying it's no big deal. You could buy this stuff

00:06:32.100 anywhere. So which is it, John? Which is it? It's a little bit of both. There are some states,

00:06:38.300 though not all 50 states, but there are some states that you can buy the commercial versions

00:06:41.700 of those databases. That commercial version doesn't have the holy grail stuff. It doesn't

00:06:45.840 have some of the things that you need to be fully read. So you'll know John Solomon votes in

00:06:50.400 Virginia. By the way, I don't vote. But if I did, I'd be voting in Virginia. But you won't know

00:06:54.280 some specific things and like identifiers and driver's licenses. What China does is it takes 0.99

00:06:59.700 the commercial data first, and then it sends a hacking unit and it's called the CNE. And then 0.79

00:07:04.780 they go in and they get they hack into the databases and get the stuff that really you can

00:07:09.260 register with the stuff you buy commercially is just surface level, you know, sort of that John

00:07:13.680 Solomon registered in Virginia. That's all you know. When you get the voter file its entirety

00:07:19.520 by hacking either commercial government or state voter databases, you're now in a position to make

00:07:25.820 a ballot request for someone from China. So there are six things that the U.S. government said once

00:07:32.420 China got access, if they would be able to do one, they would vote in your name and you'd show up and

00:07:36.580 say, sorry, sir, you can't vote because you already voted. And you're like, wait, I didn't vote. But

00:07:40.300 Remember how some people said that happened in 2020.

00:07:42.500 I remember that coming out.

00:07:43.740 The second thing that would happen is they could change a little bit of your voter file without you knowing.

00:07:48.420 You'd go in with your license, and I'm at this street, and they say, no, sir, you can't vote because you're registered on this one.

00:07:53.380 So you're going to have to do a provisional.

00:07:54.640 We may or may not count it.

00:07:56.060 The third thing they could do is go and take your identity, move you to another state.

00:08:00.240 You'll never know. 0.59

00:08:01.060 You're living in Virginia, but you just got registered in Michigan, and China will vote there for you. 0.50

00:08:05.280 And you'll never know. 0.57

00:08:05.820 You may never know you voted in another state.

00:08:08.140 And then they can do things by taking their other data hacks that they have on Americans and start targeting you for malign influence.

00:08:15.080 Like there are very clear things in these documents we released yesterday that no one's ever seen before. 0.82

00:08:19.740 The Chinese were telling their consulates, target people with this messaging. 0.90

00:08:25.160 Then they told their social media folks, make it look like Donald Trump is a bad person. 0.89

00:08:31.260 Make it try to foment racial strife on the streets.

00:08:34.940 Now, I want to compare this, what these documents say, to what Mark Warren was saying.

00:08:39.620 Nothing happened from China.

00:08:41.140 If you hacked 220 million voter files from us, if you're trying to foment racism and division on our streets, 0.81

00:08:48.240 if you're trying to use your social media, if you're using blackmail, by the way, China was gaining blackmail on U.S. officials 0.66

00:08:55.020 so that they could embarrass them just before the election.

00:08:58.080 If you're doing those things, you have intervened in our election.

00:09:01.140 I don't care what any Democrat or some knucklehead on CNN is saying.

00:09:04.500 Those four things are thresholds that amount to interference in any common American's mind.

00:09:10.800 Okay, so I thought that there were two things that came out.

00:09:14.660 One, that this is really important, this voter data, and they could just use it for algorithms to shape you on how you're going to vote.

00:09:23.800 All the things you just said and shape you as well.

00:09:26.320 And two, and this might have been a bigger thing, the cover-up from our own intelligence agencies.

00:09:35.880 I mean, John, this is what happened in Vietnam to some degree.

00:09:40.860 It's what happened with Iran-Contra in a way where everybody said, well, no, the president knew.

00:09:48.380 Here we know the president didn't know.

00:09:51.160 And it was a problem every time something like this has happened.

00:09:54.660 And I can't I think this is the most important violation of this, them keeping information vital from the president of the United States.

00:10:05.360 I think is there anything here that is going to be so indisputable that you'll see an actual perp walk?

00:10:15.420 Yes, I do. I think it's possible. I think you'll see terminations first.

00:10:18.860 right and so the cia is now reviewing everyone that was involved with a presidential daily

00:10:23.420 briefing for which this information was withheld and you're seeing things here that you're showing

00:10:27.180 up on screen so important they basically are talking about deliberately massaging

00:10:32.940 president trump's database so he won't see the chinese election interference stuff there are

00:10:37.900 people watching this that are pros in the intelligence community they're not trying to

00:10:41.820 cover it up and they're they're riding back to this like it boggles the mind that we're going

00:10:45.740 going to keep this from the president. Another FBI person who kept pulling back China intelligence

00:10:50.340 interference reports and not letting the community see them so they could be investigated, wrote in

00:10:54.900 her own text messages to her colleague, I'm running a shadow government. I'm running a shadow

00:10:59.940 government to keep the president and others from learning about this. It is remarkable when you

00:11:05.240 hear that, those sort of text messages, what was going on. Other people writing, this is clearly

00:11:10.120 politics. We should be telling the president. An NSA guy said, I'm alarmed that we're not

00:11:15.260 telling the president, but I was too weak to stand up and object in the meeting.

00:11:19.960 This was one of the widest secrets in the intelligence community that

00:11:23.380 some intelligence analysts use their power to keep the president in the dark about a 220 million

00:11:30.300 voter data breach, about the vulnerability of machines in elections, about Venezuela's

00:11:36.000 successful hack of a voter machine in a controlled environment, not an election,

00:11:40.220 but in a laboratory setting. All of those things are things that are actionable,

00:11:44.500 that a president and a congress needs to know in real time and we had analysts in the intelligence

00:11:50.420 community who thought their political purposes were more important than our national security

00:11:54.660 they they didn't want donald trump to have this they didn't want donald trump to make a china

00:11:58.340 argument so they shut off the spigot of information for what they're paid to provide the president

00:12:03.860 it's fraud it is deceit it is harmful to our national security talking to john uh solomon um

00:12:11.620 There seems to be some dots to connect between the investigation into the CCP billionaire Neville Singham,

00:12:20.520 then Cuba's efforts to agitate in the U.S.,

00:12:23.720 Marco Rubio and the State Department's mission to crack down on violent far-left extremism,

00:12:28.840 an amazing speech gesture.

00:12:29.380 Did you see that conference yesterday?

00:12:30.520 Yeah, it was amazing.

00:12:31.180 Unbelievable.

00:12:31.820 Amazing.

00:12:32.320 It was.

00:12:33.320 And to disrupt their financial networks.

00:12:36.820 Is there more to come on this?

00:12:38.200 Am I seeing dots?

00:12:40.240 that are not disconnected?

00:12:44.360 I think you're seeing boulders coming down a hill

00:12:46.100 picking up momentum.

00:12:47.160 I think the FBI and the IRS are going to begin

00:12:49.220 taking some really big actions against people

00:12:52.300 that might have been conspiring with foreign powers

00:12:54.220 to harm American national security.

00:12:56.920 There is evidence that I'm working on right now,

00:12:58.880 by the way, as a reporter,

00:13:00.000 not in my government job right now,

00:13:01.800 that there was contact going on between U.S. groups

00:13:05.920 and foreign enemies specifically related

00:13:08.440 to the anti-ice and ice out protests. Imagine that if anyone involved in that was conspiring

00:13:13.940 with a foreign power to harm our United States. That's something we're looking at right now.

00:13:19.120 Scott Bessing came on my show a couple of weeks ago and said, we are going to start pulling

00:13:22.160 IRS tax exemptions and making people pay taxes for what they did. And they may be charged with

00:13:27.620 fraud if they claim they were doing public good and instead they were doing public harm under a

00:13:31.380 tax exemption. So the IRS, the FBI, the Homeland Security Investigations Unit created a task force

00:13:38.060 They are cracking down. And I think the first fruits of that are likely to be in the next month.

00:13:42.260 We'll start to see actual activity, perp walks, actions in court, IRS actions.

00:13:48.400 And that is the beginning of a long haul because our country has been embedded with nonprofits that are aligned with foreign enemies.

00:13:55.680 And that is something that is not a good security posture.

00:13:58.040 when uh the president said in a tweet um one of the most terrifying and yet so satisfying tweets

00:14:05.220 i don't know but within the last month he said uh something along the lines of you know the

00:14:11.500 communists are starting to come out everywhere and i i've been waiting for this moment yeah wait

00:14:17.000 to see what's coming it's going to be fun to watch yeah is this the beginning of this i think

00:14:24.080 that is what he's referring to, that we now are moving towards a body of evidence that

00:14:28.660 Americans were working with our enemies to harm our country. I don't know what charge

00:14:32.700 that will be. You can throw terms like treason and sedition. I don't know yet, but I do believe

00:14:37.980 that that's what everybody's working on. That is a very, very important development in our

00:14:42.880 country. And it's important for another reason. Rasmussen, Scott Rasmussen has a poll out

00:14:47.180 today. 31% of Americans now think socialism is good and not even a majority think it's

00:14:52.800 bad any longer. That is the most alarming statistic I've ever seen. What it means is

00:14:57.420 the mainstream media have normalized what is the radical in America, and they're now

00:15:03.600 convincing people that socialism is good. It has never been good in world history. It

00:15:07.960 has been repressive. It is bad at this moment. The joy that Venezuelans have today versus

00:15:12.680 six months ago shows you what happens when people get a little freedom from the repression

00:15:17.180 of socialism. Every economy that ever was socialist has failed. And yet Americans, a third

00:15:22.780 of Americans nearly think this is a good thing. We have to nip that in the bud, stop that. And the

00:15:27.460 way you stop it is by stopping the propagandists who pump that into our information system every

00:15:32.840 day to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year. I have about 40 seconds left. Let me just

00:15:38.580 ask this last question. In one of the documents released last night, the Chinese government sought

00:15:42.980 to identify U.S. journalists

00:15:44.640 who had reported negatively on the U.S.

00:15:46.920 presidents and pay them

00:15:49.020 to write more negative articles

00:15:50.880 about him. Yep. Are we

00:15:53.060 ever going to get to a place where we will see names?

00:15:56.040 I've asked for that now.

00:15:57.180 The commission just asked for that task force.

00:15:59.560 So if there are any journalist names that they've

00:16:01.260 confirmed, I hope we'll be able to make them public sometime

00:16:03.240 soon. Wow.

00:16:05.460 John, Godspeed. Thank you so much for

00:16:07.300 all your hard work. Good to be with you, Glenn. Thank you. You bet.

00:16:09.320 John Solomon from Just the News.

00:16:11.180 If you don't start your day with just the news, you're missing out a lot.

00:16:16.760 John was really buttoned up, justthenews.com.

00:16:21.240 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:16:26.320 So let me start with this speech that Marco Rubio gave on radical leftism yesterday.

00:16:37.620 Listen to this.

00:16:38.240 This is a distinctive and unique evil. It has always been driven by a hatred, above all else, a hatred for civilization itself.

00:16:49.080 It is a revolt of the worst against the best, a revolt of the weak and the cowardly against the strong and the good.

00:16:56.960 It is perpetrated by those who cannot build, who cannot create, who cannot achieve great 0.99

00:17:03.340 things, and take their revenge upon the world for their own inadequacy by seeking to destroy 1.00

00:17:09.220 those who can.

00:17:11.540 This is what radical leftism is.

00:17:14.660 It may wear various different slogans and ideologies across place and time.

00:17:19.040 They can call themselves anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist or communist or anarchist

00:17:24.780 or Marxist, but the fundamental character is always the same. It's always the same. It is a

00:17:30.360 poisonous resentment cloaked in the language of equality and justice, liberation, an overwhelming

00:17:37.200 need to tear down what greater men have built, to wreck what is beautiful and what is right

00:17:43.100 on behalf of people who are only filled with ugliness and have nothing else to offer the

00:17:48.480 world through violence and through terror they once again seek to impose their ugliness on all

00:17:55.660 of us here's what people think you know when they think that um and i'm going to use the actual

00:18:02.680 technical term communists those who are actual you know dsa from their own report proudly state

00:18:10.160 that 51% of their board are self-acknowledged communists.

00:18:17.240 Communism is a really terrifying thing

00:18:19.620 because it's legalized theft and legalized destruction.

00:18:28.220 They steal.

00:18:29.480 There are makers and there are takers in the world.

00:18:32.560 That's all there is, those two things, makers and takers.

00:18:34.820 Which one are you?

00:18:36.320 Now, when I say makers, most people will say,

00:18:38.300 oh, well, that's like Elon Musk.

00:18:39.620 No, you're a maker. You're a maker. You may not be the person that says, I want to run my own business. I got a plan. I'm going to build this empire. That may not be you. But you are making something every day. You're making something of yourself. You're making something of your family. If you're trying to build a family, you're a maker.

00:18:58.880 Whether you're the dad who's working two jobs or a mom that's working two jobs or a stay-at-home mom or stay-at-home dad, you are a maker.

00:19:06.520 You believe in your family, and you are building something big for the future.

00:19:12.000 And then there are those who want to take things from you.

00:19:15.440 You're working two jobs, so you're paying taxes.

00:19:19.120 And these takers want to increase your taxes because they don't have, they don't know how to make.

00:19:25.240 They don't care about the family.

00:19:27.640 They don't care about a making.

00:19:30.300 They care about tearing down.

00:19:33.280 This is what he's talking about when there's deep resentment for the people who do.

00:19:39.860 And the problem with all of this is, you know, people think it's all compassion.

00:19:43.800 Well, Jesus, no, Jesus would not have been a communist.

00:19:46.520 Jesus would not have been a socialist.

00:19:48.580 He wouldn't have.

00:19:50.100 He would be for, you know what, give all of your riches away.

00:19:55.540 but you give it away not at the barrel of a gun not because you have to nothing changes as this

00:20:02.900 is this is the part that people miss about christianity even christians miss this it

00:20:08.060 doesn't matter it doesn't matter if your heart doesn't change i'm sorry i know you can say with

00:20:14.100 your mouth i accept jesus christ my lord and savior but if your heart doesn't change

00:20:19.500 i i'm sorry you can say whatever you want but and i don't know and i could be wrong but when 0.99

00:20:25.200 you get up i'd be really shocked if somebody was like oh yeah before i die i'm with a prostitute 0.98

00:20:31.500 right now i'm i'm actually raping that prostitute while i'm pillaging some other people and oh i 0.99

00:20:38.160 accept jesus christ my lord and savior i'm sorry i don't think he's gonna accept that i really don't 0.97

00:20:44.320 i don't but maybe it's me

00:20:46.480 your heart has to change because that's the secret to all of it

00:20:53.880 when you have a government

00:20:56.720 set up to take

00:20:58.000 from those that make

00:20:59.860 your heart is hard

00:21:03.020 I want it

00:21:05.000 they don't deserve it

00:21:05.940 I deserve it

00:21:06.720 I'm going to take it

00:21:07.700 instead of changing the heart

00:21:10.520 of the people who have

00:21:11.660 all of that money

00:21:12.400 and they go

00:21:13.660 you know what

00:21:14.140 I just want to help

00:21:14.820 I want to help

00:21:16.000 and then

00:21:17.420 the socialists

00:21:20.520 or the communists

00:21:21.080 always miss

00:21:22.400 that we are

00:21:23.240 the most charitable nation on earth. They always miss that Carnegie, oh, this bad guy, Carnegie

00:21:30.480 built libraries all over the country. And why did he do it? He didn't do it as a tax write-off.

00:21:37.980 He believed that everyone could be a king of their own kingdom, that you can build something,

00:21:45.720 but not without a king's library. And so he took whatever was in the king's library at the time,

00:21:52.100 the most important books. He said, I'll build the library. I'll pay for it all.

00:22:01.100 Put all the books in it. You just build the library. You just build the building. I'll put

00:22:06.860 everything in it. And so we partnered with towns, farm towns, big towns all over the country to

00:22:13.660 build all these libraries. Well, where would we be if somebody hadn't done that?

00:22:22.100 And does that make him a good guy? No.

00:22:24.260 Does the fact that he made money make him a bad guy? No.

00:22:30.240 But the thing is, if you don't change people's hearts,

00:22:34.200 then the whole thing depends on somebody else being absolutely right all the time.

00:22:46.620 And that can never go wrong.

00:22:48.500 so once the system starts to fail

00:22:52.000 as it always does

00:22:53.080 then you have to have secret police

00:22:55.900 because this is the way it always ends 0.64

00:22:57.780 KGB, East Germany

00:22:59.500 called theirs the Stasi

00:23:00.720 the Stasi had one informant

00:23:03.380 for every 63 East Germans

00:23:05.200 more surveillance per capita

00:23:07.120 than any regime in human history

00:23:08.840 and here's what the deal

00:23:12.200 stop people from saying

00:23:13.800 the plan doesn't work

00:23:15.100 that's the thing

00:23:17.300 people notice when bread doesn't come

00:23:20.360 and so they start saying something

00:23:22.540 and so

00:23:23.840 I gotta stop them from saying it

00:23:26.320 that's why the left does not

00:23:28.260 that's why they want to control the

00:23:30.420 algorithm, that's why they want

00:23:31.980 you to stop saying things, they want you

00:23:34.400 to learn, no

00:23:36.300 there's consequences when you say

00:23:38.320 things that we don't want you to

00:23:40.380 say, because that's essential

00:23:42.480 and you've got to become militant

00:23:44.780 about it, because eventually the plan

00:23:46.340 doesn't work and so you have

00:23:48.580 to have people that come in like the 0.99

00:23:50.480 Stasi and silence those people

00:23:52.480 you know when the wall came down in 0.99

00:23:55.640 1989 we found out what East

00:23:58.440 Germany actually looked like we didn't know for sure

00:24:00.420 per person about a

00:24:02.460 third as wealthy as the West Germans

00:24:04.380 they had been separated from for

00:24:06.240 40 years same language same culture

00:24:08.240 same starting point in 1945

00:24:10.700 only difference

00:24:12.100 one said it was right

00:24:14.500 to take from the makers

00:24:15.680 and when the wall opened

00:24:18.360 people flowed one direction

00:24:20.520 they didn't go to East Germany

00:24:21.800 they all went to West Germany 0.86

00:24:23.300 this is what we're fighting

00:24:31.660 and this administration

00:24:33.800 and Marco Rubio and last night Donald Trump

00:24:35.700 they're getting serious about it

00:24:36.880 I mean I told you yesterday

00:24:38.040 I did not think that Donald Trump would come out

00:24:40.800 and be as harsh on China as he was

00:24:43.360 I mean he named it

00:24:45.560 He said, there it is.

00:24:46.920 And who did it? 1.00

00:24:47.660 The Chinese. 0.99

00:24:49.080 Now, I don't know what that means.

00:24:51.260 I wonder if they've had conversations yet, him and President Xi.

00:24:54.980 But I got to tell you, it was stronger than I expected.

00:25:05.740 But I don't want you to listen to the media.

00:25:08.300 I want you to listen to the media, understanding what they're doing.

00:25:15.120 They are trying to silence actual documents.

00:25:19.000 They're trying to say those documents don't make any difference.

00:25:23.080 And the people who are in with the media and the left will tell you you're a conspiracy theorist for believing them.

00:25:31.280 I want you to listen to what they're saying.

00:25:33.280 I want you to compare and contrast.

00:25:35.400 I want you to read the documents yourself that the president put out last night at WhiteHouse.gov.

00:25:41.600 Read the documents because they make it very clear.

00:25:45.120 very clear. And then go ahead and listen to the media and see what they say about those documents.

00:25:52.860 You'll be able to decide. You're smart enough to figure this out on your own. You don't need me

00:25:56.720 or anybody else to tell you. Just read what it actually says. But they want you to shut up. And

00:26:04.860 let me give you a really good example of having to shut up, what that leads to. In Maine, there is

00:26:13.320 Ashley Webb

00:26:15.100 she's an activist

00:26:16.340 she's a guy

00:26:19.020 now I'm not supposed to say that

00:26:21.180 because there's a penalty attached to that

00:26:23.540 if I say she's actually 0.99

00:26:25.680 a dude 0.89

00:26:26.380 there's a penalty because they need 0.97

00:26:29.780 me to shut up 0.85

00:26:31.100 and that is just it doesn't care 0.96

00:26:33.620 about Ashley it is about control

00:26:35.720 over me and people who won't

00:26:37.800 toe the line it has nothing to do

00:26:39.880 with Ashley Webb

00:26:41.400 but during the debate for candidates to replace graham plattner ashley webb is on and this is

00:26:51.500 what she said this is why she's qualified to serve in he is qualified to serve for the u.s

00:26:59.120 senate listen ashley webb what qualifications do you have to serve in the u.s senate oh i ran for

00:27:05.000 office several times didn't win but i did run and then um i'm a songwriter and then i write my own

00:27:12.620 books and then i suppose my transparency i wouldn't lie to the people and i wouldn't

00:27:19.800 deceive the people like we're being deceived right now you have to see this video it's sad

00:27:26.800 it really is truly sad it's truly sad it looks like an sl uh you know an snl sketch but they 0.63

00:27:34.740 would SNL would never do this sketch you know they can't see the they can't see the the absurdity 0.92

00:27:42.820 in real life anymore but this would 20 years ago that would have been a sketch and the audience

00:27:49.300 would have been roaring laughing because it's so absurd he's wearing a dress by the way and

00:27:57.120 standing on the stage.

00:28:00.120 And you know what?

00:28:01.380 I applaud his courage.

00:28:03.960 I applaud his willingness to serve.

00:28:07.300 I applaud his courage.

00:28:12.140 His courage.

00:28:16.140 But that's how insane things have gotten. 0.98

00:28:19.660 Things are so insane that they have gone from a Nazi rapist, 0.89

00:28:25.060 alleged 0.91

00:28:26.380 to

00:28:28.920 I mean

00:28:31.340 this guy might win

00:28:32.740 I don't know who's going to win

00:28:34.740 I don't know who's going to win

00:28:36.080 it's so insane

00:28:37.880 if there were any kind of data

00:28:41.020 out that said Ashley Webb 0.67

00:28:42.760 is the most electable

00:28:45.280 anybody

00:28:46.760 and the Democrats who would say 0.92

00:28:48.580 this is ridiculous 0.93

00:28:49.740 today would be saying 0.87

00:28:51.520 that's the one I'm going to vote for

00:28:53.200 because they can win.

00:28:56.760 They can beat.

00:29:01.120 It's this horrible, twisted game,

00:29:03.360 and I think what you and I have in common

00:29:05.420 is we don't look at this as a game.

00:29:07.140 This is our country.

00:29:07.980 This is our children.

00:29:10.040 This is our children's future.

00:29:11.900 It is the future of freedom all around the world.

00:29:14.660 If we blow this, there's no other place to run.

00:29:18.240 And it's not a game.

00:29:19.400 And I think that's why you and I get so roped in, why we are so, we get sometimes so angry about it because we actually care.

00:29:32.160 And it seems like so many people, this is my biggest problem with the left, and not the left, people who vote Democrat who are just getting their news from one source.

00:29:41.480 If I could talk to them and they could say, oh, no, I read the documents.

00:29:45.080 Did you really read the documents?

00:29:46.520 What did the documents say?

00:29:47.260 and they said, oh, I read them, and here's what it said.

00:29:49.780 But here's why I disagree with you, Glenn.

00:29:51.240 I could live with that person forever.

00:29:54.880 I just can't handle people who only get their news from one source like CNN,

00:30:01.140 and then they say, that's it, and then they'll defend it to the day,

00:30:04.940 and you can show them the proof that that's not what it is,

00:30:07.860 and their eyes glaze over, and they just keep arguing.

00:30:12.160 That's where it becomes a game for so many people,

00:30:15.000 and in a sad game because it's hypnosis either that or it's a mental illness

00:30:21.280 this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:30:25.740 how are you sir well i'm doing great it's good to be with you thanks yeah it's uh it's good to

00:30:35.940 be you uh uh good to be with you um uh i have to tell you i remember reading the odyssey when i

00:30:41.680 I think I was in high school, and I just thought it was just a bore fest

00:30:45.740 and couldn't get through it.

00:30:49.940 It is one of the greatest stories of all.

00:30:53.120 I mean, you know, I love this.

00:30:55.780 I remember I read Wuthering Heights at one point as an adult,

00:31:00.180 and I read it, and I'm like.

00:31:01.140 That is actually a boring book, I have to tell you.

00:31:03.300 Oh, really?

00:31:03.840 That one is actually boring.

00:31:05.040 I don't know.

00:31:05.400 Did you like it?

00:31:06.280 Oh, no.

00:31:06.980 I did.

00:31:07.240 I did.

00:31:08.240 I liked it, and I thought.

00:31:09.800 All right, maybe I should reread it.

00:31:10.900 yeah there's something about these classics you know discovery you know here i have a 30 year old

00:31:16.900 guy going you know people should read more classics there's something to this classic yeah

00:31:21.040 they're classics for a reason don't say anyway yeah the odyssey is is like that um uh where it

00:31:28.680 is such a great story can you start with what the story is yeah i'm really happy to do that and it's

00:31:36.980 easy on one level it's a story about a guy going home Odysseus is a warrior and a king he's the

00:31:43.580 king of Ithaca he's been fighting in Troy for 10 years that's the prequel the Iliad if you like

00:31:49.760 and this is the sequel to the Iliad where he tries to make his way home but for a whole bunch of

00:31:55.300 reasons including the wrath of the gods and all sorts of other mythological mishaps along the way

00:32:02.080 He can't get back. And when he arrives back, finally, he discovers that a pack of weasels and snakes, a bunch of suitors have taken over his palace and he has to wreak vengeance upon them to gain his queen back Penelope, who's been waiting for him all that time, all those 20 years that he's been gone.

00:32:24.340 and uh he one of the reasons he doesn't come back is because uh because everybody died uh that he

00:32:32.020 was that was under his command and so he's kind of feeling bad about that or do i have that right

00:32:38.020 or wrong well something close so people all of his men die along the way as part of this

00:32:45.540 tormented journey but you're getting at another layer of the story which is once you tell

00:32:51.520 the kind of beginning middle end plot of it you get to dig deeper into these incredible layers

00:32:59.540 including yeah why is it that this guy can't make it home and what does it mean to come home after

00:33:04.700 10 years of war what does it take to rediscover yourself and reflect on the experience of being

00:33:11.700 a soldier having to do savage brutal deeds and then go back and become a husband and a family

00:33:17.400 guy and a dad out back in the yard with a beer so there's definitely that going on as well and

00:33:23.300 these big questions of leadership that you were being raised i don't i don't remember the hammock

00:33:27.380 with the beer in the story but maybe i missed something sorry wine why they're greeks so it's

00:33:31.160 wine but yeah close enough um the okay so the the other thing and and please uh correct me if i'm

00:33:37.600 i'm wrong because i most likely am um but his son is angry with him right and uh and and his wife

00:33:46.940 Well, everyone's got a lot of feelings.

00:33:49.300 Right, right, right.

00:33:50.000 I would say, Glenn, everyone's got a lot of feelings.

00:33:52.060 His son, Telemachus, he's one of the first ever coming-of-age stories that we have in Western literature.

00:34:01.000 And this is how the poem starts, which may be why you were bored by it.

00:34:04.400 It's possible that you got to this poem and you were like, ah, there's dragons and monsters and witches and gods.

00:34:10.580 And then the first thing that happens is we sit around in Ithaca with this kid who's kind of not sure about what he wants to do with his life.

00:34:20.600 And he's fatherless.

00:34:21.480 So he's trying to gain a certain amount of manhood and maturity.

00:34:26.620 Penelope, meanwhile, yeah, is waiting for Odysseus.

00:34:30.360 She's a famous model of devotion, but she's also human.

00:34:33.860 And everyone in this poem is beautifully human.

00:34:36.440 So she is trying to stave off the suitors with this famous trick of weaving and unweaving a burial shroud.

00:34:45.700 And then she's also, yeah, this very beautiful symbol of how she's a match for him because he's famous for his matis, his cunning, and his intelligence, basically.

00:34:57.260 She has that same amount of kind of deceitfulness, but also wiles and smarts.

00:35:04.300 And when they finally meet, he's in disguise.

00:35:08.140 She's not sure what to believe.

00:35:10.280 She's not ready even to let go of her defensiveness.

00:35:14.260 And neither is he.

00:35:15.400 And they have this gorgeous reconciliation scene where she practically melts into his arms when he finally proves that he knows the secret of their marriage, which is that their bed is carved out of a tree that she asked him to move.

00:35:28.620 And he says, no, I can't.

00:35:29.420 So there's this, there are all of these moments that are really cinematic and offer a great kind of palette for a director like Nolan to work with.

00:35:38.920 There's also a lot of wordplay and kind of the plot on purpose twists around.

00:35:44.820 The word that Homer uses at the beginning for Odysseus is he's palutropos, he's many-wayed, he has many ways and wanderings, and the plot itself loops back over onto itself.

00:35:55.280 So there's also stuff that maybe if you're coming to it for the first time, you're like, I thought this was about a king and a queen, and now I'm kind of wandering about in Pylos and Sparta with all these random characters.

00:36:08.400 But what I would say, if you're getting into reading it for the first time, is like, bear with him for the first four books.

00:36:16.120 There are 24 books or chapters of the poem.

00:36:18.600 And just keep an eye on Homer's great theme, which is the man.

00:36:21.660 He begins the poem,

00:36:23.620 Amdra moi enepe musa,

00:36:24.920 sing to me of a man muse.

00:36:27.480 And the whole thing is about who is this guy?

00:36:29.800 And if you think about it as a kind of identity tale

00:36:35.260 and a homecoming tale,

00:36:36.780 and you keep an eye on the character of Odysseus,

00:36:38.560 you find just like endless stuff

00:36:40.560 that reveals itself with more and more rereading.

00:36:42.700 It has high replay value, as they say, of video games.

00:36:45.480 Okay, so Christopher, forget everything he just said,

00:36:48.440 because I think we just made this sound really boring.

00:36:50.200 um christopher nolan christopher nolan if you're going to go see a movie

00:36:55.000 christopher nolan and i don't know if you feel this way i think he's one of the better storytellers

00:37:00.180 of our age um oh he's so good no question he's so good and there is you've seen the movie 0.81

00:37:05.820 so please tell me he didn't wreck it by putting a bunch of crap and woke crap in it he just told

00:37:12.700 a great story he did not wreck it i'm totally ready to just say this is a good movie now there's 0.61

00:37:19.920 a lot of footnotes and stuff that we can get into talking about but just the bottom line is

00:37:23.640 the thing we were afraid of which is completely reasonable and understandable i was listening to 0.96

00:37:29.380 you talking about how dumb actors are when they open their mouths and boy i want to coach like 0.99

00:37:35.900 just i'm so in for this rider the shut up and sing the shut up and act right right that you 0.99

00:37:40.660 want to put on contracts completely they've done so much damage to people who are already fed up 0.97

00:37:46.920 And understandably, right?

00:37:48.740 Because, like, I always think about Rachel Zegler in Snow White, this disastrous Disney remake.

00:37:56.420 And, you know, Zegler, Snow White is famously very, very white. 0.59

00:38:00.660 Zegler is not all that white.

00:38:02.020 So people were kind of raising their eyebrows at that.

00:38:04.220 But more than that, and much more importantly, she doesn't like the source material. 1.00

00:38:08.640 She was giving these interviews saying, oh, it's misogynist and it doesn't like women in power. 1.00

00:38:13.940 And it's all about keeping women down.

00:38:15.460 So that combined with the fact that these racial recastings only ever go in one direction, and you're kind of ashamed for noticing this, right? I think that's driven people a little bit crazy. And I understand that now whenever somebody does this, they think, oh no, here we go again.

00:38:37.520 And with The Odyssey, which is such an incredible work of art and such a foundational work of Western literature, it's a very tender sore spot, right? Like, you're going to take this thing and you're just going to drag it through the muck and you're going to, like, tell me that it's evil and you're going to give me your stupid modern take on it, you know? 0.90

00:38:54.160 So I think that's what people are worried about. And I think that that got blown a little bit out of proportion because Nolan is not doing that at all in this movie. He makes some changes to the source material so you can like or not like, but none of them is designed to undermine the poem or to tell you you're wrong and racist for liking it. 0.54

00:39:13.320 it's the actors who kind of mouthed off and it's the controversy that got kicked up around the

00:39:19.700 poem that stuff you know Lupita Nyong'o who is one of the people that talked about oh Homer 0.87

00:39:24.620 doesn't like women or whatever um you know she she's a great actress and she gives a really

00:39:30.340 interesting performance in this and she's really her part is really like a vanishingly small part

00:39:36.300 of the movie as are a lot of the other things that people got um upset and mad about and Nolan

00:39:41.680 really does which not a lot of directors have done he really does put the story on screen he

00:39:47.500 gives you matt damon as the smartest soldier around tormented guy making his way back home

00:39:54.180 and he gives you anne hathaway in the best performance i've ever seen her give

00:39:57.560 who is good unlike a lot of other penelopes that have been on screen she really does

00:40:02.620 want odysseus back she loves him she's of course conflicted she's confused and in pain but she

00:40:08.400 passionately loves him and is waiting for him and it's just a very moving story so

00:40:12.160 i i don't know i think nolan does a really great job the book is better because the book's always

00:40:18.260 better than the movie but it's that's something that you know you can kind of talk about when you

00:40:23.180 see the movie the the woke takeover stuff is what everyone was really afraid of and that just

00:40:28.480 doesn't happen it's just not in this movie which is great yeah you know one of my favorite poets

00:40:33.000 you're gonna lose a lot of respect for me it's dr seuss no one of my favorite one of my favorite

00:40:38.200 favorite uh uh poets is edgar allen poe and and his you like him because i just read something

00:40:45.720 that said uh most people you know especially in that era all of the critics all of the other poets

00:40:54.260 except for a few over in england they all thought he was trash oh poo this is snobbery this is just

00:41:01.520 sheer people like edgar allen poe and that's why critics look down on him i think i mean they think 0.82

00:41:07.940 of him as trash or entertainment and because it's fun you know because it's exciting and people like

00:41:12.920 it then they'd say oh he's not really a great poet he's not a sophisticated literary artist

00:41:17.980 there are sophisticated great poets who are difficult to understand but poe is incredible

00:41:22.360 and he's a beautiful wordsmith so is dr seuss by the way a genius yeah no i know it's impossible

00:41:27.780 to do what dr seuss does anyway yeah yes okay so okay um can you tell me there is um while we're

00:41:34.480 here on ancient culture except for the poe thing ai is now helping us unroll ancient scrolls that

00:41:41.360 we haven't had access to can do you know anything about this can you talk to me about this and

00:41:46.460 what's happening and what we're finding i love this story so this is like i'm not used to um

00:41:54.320 people being interested in things that i'm passionate about because i'm a classicist

00:41:58.320 so the fact that there's this big movie about the uh odyssey and this major ai story about

00:42:04.380 classics oh no you're nerding out this is your weekend i'm just this is my like this is my

00:42:09.120 moment i am just like put me in coach um right so but this is a genuinely awesome story and it's

00:42:15.580 awesome for about a zillion different reasons um these scrolls that you're talking about were

00:42:20.880 buried under the ash of vesuvius you remember mount vesuvius it exploded erupted and buried

00:42:27.840 Pompeii and there was another city Herculaneum and so obviously there's like incredible stuff

00:42:33.400 preserved there a lot of dead bodies for one thing but in addition in the 18th century they 0.95

00:42:39.500 found this villa with a library and it's not like today where you can just be a schmuck like me and 0.94

00:42:45.500 have a big shelf of books behind you it's like very few people had were wealthy enough to have 0.74

00:42:50.600 large collections of books and so there's a lot of stuff in there that might be lost that is lost

00:42:56.280 from the ancient world that we could recover. And it's tantalizing because they're baked into these

00:43:01.960 carbonized chunks, basically. They're like charcoal, basically. And so for centuries,

00:43:06.940 people have been trying to figure out how to read them, how to read what's inside them without

00:43:10.760 destroying them or just making them crumble to a million pieces. It's like an Indiana Jones type

00:43:16.580 thing. If you touch it, it falls apart. And there have been all sorts of different mechanical

00:43:21.080 efforts to do this, including most recently, and this was when I was in grad school, people were

00:43:25.460 shooting them with x-rays very highly powerful x-rays that can see inside the layers without

00:43:32.380 touching the scrolls or doing damage to them but it's really really hard to figure out once you

00:43:37.340 have the x-ray images how you're supposed to basically arrange them virtually unroll them

00:43:44.060 they say to make them lie flat so you can read them see what's on them and that's what ai has

00:43:51.300 now helped people to do. There's this project called Vesuvius Project, which is funded by a

00:43:56.180 tech investor where you get a prize if you can do this with one of the scrolls. And they just

00:44:01.200 recently figured out how to do it with a complete scroll. So you can just look inside into the past

00:44:07.320 into these priceless treasures using the help of AI, but not, and this is really important. I know

00:44:11.760 we've talked about this before. The AI is not reading the scrolls. So it's not guessing what

00:44:16.720 letters are there it's it doesn't even know any greek if that makes sense there's no there's no

00:44:22.140 language built into the it's just showing us what it is exactly yeah and then the people come along

00:44:28.040 and they they read the the stuff that's in there so okay right now sorry to say a bunch of philosophy

00:44:33.720 the hope there's all these scrolls left to unroll we could find stuff by aristotle we could find

00:44:40.100 poems that were missing, like Ennius, the great Roman, the great Latin poet. We have a tiny sliver

00:44:48.960 from this period. We've got, you know, seven plays by Aeschylus, which is just a miniature

00:44:58.760 portion of what he wrote. There could be anything in there. And I just love that, you know, the tech

00:45:02.520 is actually working to help the humans rather than the other way around.

00:45:06.200 um thank you so much uh spencer i'm glad to hear this review that my pleasure the odyssey is is

00:45:13.380 good uh and uh you know because that's what i would expect from christopher it rocks so

00:45:18.000 thank you appreciate it god bless you man thank you great to be here spencer clavin yeah

00:45:23.680 that's uh wouldn't it be interesting if if we open up the scrolls and we found like the words

00:45:30.520 to Beyoncé, and we realize, no, no, that's why those words are so good.

00:45:36.340 They're ancient.

00:45:38.600 Uh-huh, right?

00:45:41.080 Yeah.

00:45:42.400 Maybe words from Lizzo's songs, but certainly not Beyoncé.

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