The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： John Solomon & Tulsi Gabbard ｜ 10⧸11⧸22

00:00:00.000 Uh, Stu, uh, what did you think the highlight of today's game was?

00:00:04.160 Well, Glenn, I thought the highlight of today's game was the weigh-in, and we both weighed

00:00:08.960 in too heavy to host the show today.

00:00:11.420 Yeah, um, I was shocked at your weight, quite honestly.

00:00:14.680 Yeah, I know.

00:00:15.420 And I said, neither of us can fight at this weight.

00:00:18.460 No.

00:00:18.760 Uh, because...

00:00:20.060 There's an upper limit even for heavyweights.

00:00:21.440 Right.

00:00:21.900 Right.

00:00:22.120 And so we both just, uh, sat on the sidelines and, uh, ate ice cream.

00:00:26.860 And it was good.

00:00:27.840 It was a good show.

00:00:28.460 Pat brought some cookies.

00:00:30.220 This is, uh, one you don't want to miss.

00:00:31.740 Now, a lot of great stuff on today's show that you don't want to miss.

00:00:34.940 Uh, John Solomon, also Tulsi Gabbard, talks about her leaving the Democratic Party, which

00:00:40.000 was a surprise to me.

00:00:41.040 She told me, you know, at the NRA, that I want to change it from the inside.

00:00:45.980 And I was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but she's left in a fascinating conversation with her.

00:00:51.940 Yeah, not to mention, you mentioned the Don, uh, the, uh, you quickly mentioned the John

00:00:55.360 Solomon thing, but we should point out that, uh, he uncovered the, the fact that the government

00:01:00.880 was working to censor tweets from, you are a super spreader, apparently, of misinformation.

00:01:07.040 Yes.

00:01:07.400 According to these reports that he unearthed, including the Blaze and, you know, Stephen

00:01:11.340 Crowder and, I mean, John Solomon himself and his organization's just the news.

00:01:16.080 Really remarkable details on that.

00:01:17.540 And he shows what's happening.

00:01:19.560 It's getting worse.

00:01:20.740 So all that on today's program.

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00:02:41.480 Well, welcome back to Stu, who is, uh, celebrating, uh, Columbus Day yesterday.

00:02:47.360 Yes.

00:02:47.660 Did you get all the smallpox blankets out to all the kids and everything?

00:02:50.700 We distributed it to, uh, Native American children.

00:02:52.880 Yes.

00:02:53.100 Yeah, that's very, very good.

00:02:54.760 Very good.

00:02:55.080 It's the charity work we do every year.

00:02:56.300 Yeah, I know.

00:02:56.960 There is, uh, there's a new study out, a new poll out that shows that Columbus is actually

00:03:01.540 more popular than President Biden or Kamala Harris.

00:03:06.420 Pretty much combined.

00:03:07.760 Yeah.

00:03:08.260 Right.

00:03:08.520 Which is pretty nice.

00:03:09.820 Pretty nice.

00:03:10.480 Impressive.

00:03:10.920 Uh, go Columbus.

00:03:11.960 All right.

00:03:12.480 Um, I, I, I would like to make the case that we move away from California.

00:03:17.620 Okay.

00:03:18.060 And, and we don't have to, I mean, sure.

00:03:21.240 Maybe call me an extremist.

00:03:23.440 It started out as a 50 star flag.

00:03:25.760 I just took the steam ripper and took all of the stars off, uh, for New York and California.

00:03:30.580 Oh, and I'm considering other States, but, um, I would like to make the case that we just

00:03:37.320 ignore California from here on out.

00:03:40.280 Two stories, uh, September 30th, California energy commission wrote executives at five oil

00:03:46.080 companies and gas companies demanding answers for sharp price increases at California gas

00:03:51.080 pumps.

00:03:51.440 The, uh, letter accused the oil and gas companies of profiteering and claimed the oil industry

00:03:59.200 owes California's answers for not having provided an adequate and transparent explanation for

00:04:04.180 this price spike.

00:04:05.200 Well, they, um, uh, they answered yesterday in a letter for Valero, California is the most

00:04:12.020 expensive operating environment in the country and very hostile regulatory environment for

00:04:18.400 refining.

00:04:19.200 California policymakers have knowingly adopted policies with the expressed intent of eliminating

00:04:25.580 the refinery sector.

00:04:27.540 California requires refiners to pay a very high carbon cap and tax, uh, trade fees, uh,

00:04:34.160 and be burdened with gasoline with the cost of the low carbon fuel standards.

00:04:38.880 With the backdrop of these policies, not surprisingly, they wrote, California has seen refineries completely

00:04:45.540 completely close or shut down major units.

00:04:47.680 When you shut down a refinery operation, you limit resilience of the supply chain.

00:04:54.840 What?

00:04:55.180 I think they were speaking slowly in this letter.

00:04:58.100 You can, you can, you can picture the person typing with one finger angrily on the keyboard.

00:05:02.480 If you ever do this again.

00:05:07.020 Moreover, California is largely isolated from fuel markets of the central and eastern U.S.

00:05:13.840 and state regulations mandate a unique blend of gasoline, which makes California the most

00:05:20.100 challenging market to serve.

00:05:22.760 California has also imposed some of the most aggressive and thus expensive and limiting environmental

00:05:27.820 regulatory requirements in the world.

00:05:31.760 California policies have made it difficult to increase refining capacity and have prevented

00:05:35.980 supply projects to lower operating costs of the refineries.

00:05:39.200 Now, California, the governor who's right on top of this stuff, he's calling for a special

00:05:50.700 session to address the greed of oil companies.

00:05:54.840 Gas prices are too high time to enact a windfall profits tax directly on oil companies that are

00:06:00.900 ripping you off at the pump.

00:06:02.160 And that's only going to make things better.

00:06:05.420 Okay.

00:06:05.800 I don't know if I've mentioned this, but 17 states have voluntarily signed up for all of

00:06:16.880 California's nonsense when it comes to emissions.

00:06:20.560 Okay.

00:06:20.860 So anything they do, 17 states, hello, Virginia, your, your, uh, legislature just decided, you

00:06:28.760 know what?

00:06:29.060 We're going to just sign up.

00:06:30.080 We don't need to bring this to the people for a vote.

00:06:33.140 We'll just sign up.

00:06:34.620 We're going to sign this.

00:06:35.380 It's late at night and they pushed it through.

00:06:37.700 And now it's law.

00:06:38.540 Anything that California does, you have to do too.

00:06:42.060 Oh, so if California jumps off a bridge, yes.

00:06:44.980 Yeah.

00:06:45.840 You're going to jump off the bridge too.

00:06:48.700 Now, let me give you a, let me give you a second story here.

00:06:54.480 The Supreme court will hear arguments over a California animal cruelty law that would raise

00:07:01.160 the costs of bacon and other pork products nationwide.

00:07:03.480 The case is outcome is important to the nation's $26 billion a year pork industry, but the outcome

00:07:11.020 also could limit state's abilities to pass laws with impact outside their borders.

00:07:17.540 Good.

00:07:18.260 If you want to do that in your state, do that in your state.

00:07:24.940 I don't have to be dragged along with it.

00:07:28.020 Uh, from laws aimed at combating climate change to others intended to regulate prescription

00:07:34.840 drug prices.

00:07:35.880 The case before the court on Tuesday.

00:07:38.400 Oh my gosh.

00:07:39.340 That's today.

00:07:39.700 California's proposition 12, which voters passed in 2018, it said pork sold in the state needs

00:07:45.880 to come from pigs whose mothers were raised with at least 24 square feet of space, including

00:07:50.340 the ability to lie down and turn around the rules, um, that rules out confined gestation

00:07:56.100 crates, metal enclosures that are common in the pork industry.

00:08:00.200 Uh, they also say the way the pork market works with cuts of meat from various producers being

00:08:05.480 combined before sale, it is likely all pork would have to meet California standards, regardless

00:08:10.780 of where it's sold.

00:08:12.520 That'll cost the industry about $350 million a year.

00:08:16.900 Guess who's going to pay for it?

00:08:18.900 You.

00:08:19.560 Now I am all for being decent to animals.

00:08:22.900 I don't eat veal because I did.

00:08:25.640 I don't keep an animal in a crate the whole time.

00:08:28.740 I have a problem with it, but, uh, I don't eat veal.

00:08:34.180 I don't impose my values on everyone else and I'm sick and tired of California doing this

00:08:43.000 to us.

00:08:43.660 I am sick and tired of, oh, now I'm going to pay more for bacon.

00:08:49.720 Okay.

00:08:50.640 Oh, and also this involves the, uh, meat industry and the egg industry.

00:08:56.280 So we're going to pay more for, wow, it's almost like California doesn't want us to eat meat

00:09:04.520 or use any kind of animal products.

00:09:08.300 Wow.

00:09:09.040 That's completely weird.

00:09:11.280 Who would have seen that one coming?

00:09:14.780 The, I can't take it anymore.

00:09:16.400 Why doesn't the pork industry just say, and quite honestly, the oil industry just go, okay,

00:09:24.480 well, you're on your own.

00:09:26.580 Why don't seriously, why don't we let California just live in its own slop?

00:09:34.480 Well, Glenn, it's a big market and there's a lot of people there and they would sell a

00:09:40.980 lot of pork products there and they don't want to lose that market.

00:09:44.900 So, and that does seem to be there.

00:09:46.760 I'm willing to have ham for dinner.

00:09:48.200 I don't like ham.

00:09:49.300 I'm willing to have ham for dinner for a year.

00:09:52.300 If you guys just say, you know what?

00:09:54.940 Rest of the country, we're tired of California.

00:09:57.640 Well, this, and this seems to be an issue that really is bothering big meat producers,

00:10:04.280 right?

00:10:04.600 Yeah.

00:10:04.720 Like if this were to happen and we were just to say, well, we're just going to ignore

00:10:08.660 California, they're going to do what they do.

00:10:10.620 What would likely occur is you'd have some of those big pork manufacturers would probably, 0.98

00:10:17.320 you know, try to adopt those standards because California is a big market.

00:10:21.120 It's a big chunk of their business.

00:10:22.320 Yeah, they'd be alone in there.

00:10:22.800 But you'd have a lot of small producers who would be like, well, I'm not doing that.

00:10:25.420 We're going to sell to Iowa and to Texas and to Florida.

00:10:28.880 And so you'd wind up-

00:10:29.600 Wait a minute.

00:10:30.260 Are you saying it'll be like a free market system?

00:10:33.220 Some people would do it.

00:10:34.500 Some people wouldn't.

00:10:35.880 I know.

00:10:36.820 But I mean, it's interesting the way you're talking about this because I think I agree

00:10:40.980 with you.

00:10:41.560 But the-

00:10:42.820 Wow, write this down.

00:10:43.900 I know.

00:10:44.680 The coverage of it, sort of presenting it as the right wing position is to take up

00:10:51.380 this aggressive form of the Commerce Clause and go the other way.

00:10:58.700 Make it so California is not able to have these standards because it would affect the

00:11:04.020 commerce of other states.

00:11:05.400 No, I don't mind if they have those standards.

00:11:07.500 They can have those standards.

00:11:09.000 And I have a right as a pork producer to say, not selling to California. 0.99

00:11:12.360 Yeah, screw you guys. 1.00

00:11:13.240 Screw you. 0.99

00:11:13.720 But California does not have the right to increase the cost of my food, my cost of living. 0.98

00:11:21.740 I don't want California dictating what I do.

00:11:25.860 I don't live in California for a reason.

00:11:29.540 And California is being held up as the model for all of the United States.

00:11:35.780 This is what they want to do to the United States. 0.89

00:11:37.800 I don't want to live there.

00:11:39.360 This is totally intentional, too.

00:11:41.320 They've realized they have enough economic power to change their standards, to enforce

00:11:47.500 it on everybody else.

00:11:48.760 Exactly right.

00:11:49.020 And with 17 states on board, no matter what they do, think about that if you live in one

00:11:53.540 of these states.

00:11:53.900 You don't have a representative.

00:11:55.540 No, you don't have.

00:11:56.560 You've outsourced your entire leadership to Gavin Newsom.

00:11:59.940 Yeah.

00:12:01.080 Congratulations.

00:12:01.760 We got it.

00:12:02.020 What's the list?

00:12:02.560 You don't have the list of 17 states.

00:12:03.760 You said Virginia's on there?

00:12:05.000 Virginia's on there.

00:12:06.220 Virginia's on there.

00:12:08.100 I did a podcast with their attorney general, who I love.

00:12:11.320 Not their attorney general, their lieutenant governor.

00:12:14.440 And she was telling me, she said, Glenn, we're not California.

00:12:19.380 We don't have that many vehicles.

00:12:22.160 We don't have, you know, it's like, I don't know, 20 percent of all cars in California.

00:12:26.260 Some I don't know the number.

00:12:28.120 You have to look it up.

00:12:29.040 But a good percentage of cars on the road in California are electric, not Virginia.

00:12:34.380 And so now they have to adopt the same standards and have the electric vehicles.

00:12:40.640 That's going to throw Virginians, I mean, into an absolute turmoil when this hits.

00:12:47.160 Is anybody standing up about it?

00:12:48.920 Anybody thinking about it?

00:12:50.100 Anybody saying anything?

00:12:52.020 It is time to end the madness.

00:12:54.840 Pork producers, stop doing business with California.

00:12:59.500 I know states make a lot of money on generating their power.

00:13:05.420 What are you doing?

00:13:07.420 Why?

00:13:09.400 You are, they want you to be out of the coal business.

00:13:15.020 They are working actively to put you out of business.

00:13:19.440 Why would you generate any power for a state that is imposing regulations on you to put you out of power?

00:13:32.000 Let them feel the full weight of their decisions. 0.89

00:13:36.480 Oh, gosh darn it. 0.97

00:13:38.840 Oh, you don't like coal? 0.99

00:13:40.580 Yeah.

00:13:41.260 Okay.

00:13:42.360 Off.

00:13:44.120 It makes no sense.

00:13:46.880 We are enabling them.

00:13:48.460 They're out of control, alcoholics, and we're serving them drinks.

00:13:54.780 At some point, you got to ask, who's responsible here?

00:13:59.160 I mean, I am not the person that says, hey, the bartender needs to know when somebody's drunk.

00:14:04.060 But if you have somebody on the floor vomiting, and they're completely incapable of walking, and they're like, I think you do have some responsibility.

00:14:15.900 It's time to let the alcoholic hit bottom.

00:14:22.500 Pork producers, say enough.

00:14:25.100 Anybody who's producing energy for California, what the hell is wrong with you?

00:14:31.980 Somebody needs to stand up and say no to California. 0.51

00:14:36.020 You have 17 states that have agreed to a concept where they go out to the bar with the alcoholic and match them drink for drink.

00:14:43.460 Right.

00:14:44.260 And the guy from Virginia or whatever, you know, some of these states, they're in the bar like, I don't want to be in a bar.

00:14:50.640 I don't want to.

00:14:52.120 I don't want to.

00:14:53.520 Okay.

00:14:56.960 What are we doing?

00:14:59.040 Stop it.

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00:16:07.440 So once in a while, in fact, almost every day, somebody comes to me and says, hey, Glenn, would like to get your input on something.

00:16:14.120 We'd really like you to, hey, I wrote this book.

00:16:16.620 And I'm like, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't.

00:16:19.540 But once in a while, there is a story that is so worth it that I agree to help them and bring them on the air and talk about it.

00:16:30.180 This is not a book.

00:16:31.340 This is a story that I think fits today.

00:16:35.560 And this is a group of people that want to produce this as a four-part series with Angel Studios.

00:16:45.380 Can I say that?

00:16:46.280 Yeah, Angel Studios.

00:16:47.800 Matt Whitaker is with us.

00:16:49.280 He is the director and co-writer of Truth and Conviction, a story that you've been on for 20 years.

00:16:56.100 Yeah, a little over 20 years.

00:16:57.200 And you were lucky enough to meet a lot of the people that were part of it originally.

00:17:02.700 Yeah.

00:17:03.040 So, yeah, just over 20 years ago, I heard about this group of these teenagers in Nazi Germany who ran a resistance group who stood up to Hitler.

00:17:10.920 And I found out that the last surviving member of that group lived about an hour away from me.

00:17:15.920 So, we literally just opened the phone book and found his name.

00:17:19.340 That's crazy.

00:17:20.100 Called him up and said, hey, you know, would you share your story with us?

00:17:22.820 And he was like, yeah, sure, come on up.

00:17:24.760 So, I went up and met this man named Carl Heinz Schnibber who was at that point in his late 70s, sat down, heard his story, and was just blown away.

00:17:33.500 So, tell me, this story is about a guy named Helmuth Hubner, right?

00:17:38.420 Right, Helmuth Hubner.

00:17:39.400 Yeah.

00:17:39.420 And he was 16?

00:17:43.700 16 years old, 1941.

00:17:47.480 At the time, he was like on the Nazi party fast track.

00:17:50.680 He was working at City Hall in Hamburg.

00:17:52.940 He was a member of the Hitler Youth, kind of just buying into everything that Goebbels was saying on the radio.

00:17:58.320 And then his brother, his older brother who was serving in the German army in France, smuggled home a shortwave radio.

00:18:05.280 And Helmuth started secretly listening to that, which was a capital offense at the time.

00:18:09.560 In fact, I showed you in my office, I have what I like to call Facebook of the olden days, a radio that would not pick up any signal from any station other than the approved Nazi stations. 0.88

00:18:26.100 And that's all you could buy and have.

00:18:28.720 That's right.

00:18:29.060 That's all he had access to until he starts tuning into this shortwave radio.

00:18:33.640 And at the time, the BBC was broadcasting in the German language because they knew that that could get through.

00:18:40.080 And so Helmuth, the 16-year-old kid, starts listening to these, realizes he's hearing the truth for the first time.

00:18:47.880 Somehow was able to kind of discern, what I'm hearing from Goebbels is not accurate.

00:18:52.740 You know, it's really strange.

00:18:53.960 I just had a psychology professor on with me from Europe.

00:18:59.660 And he wrote The Psychology of Totalitarianism.

00:19:05.400 And he said, and I can't remember, do you remember, Sarah?

00:19:09.240 He said 10 or 20 percent of the population is not susceptible to what's going on right now.

00:19:17.120 You know, this mass hypnosis all over the world that is happening.

00:19:21.340 He, Helmuth must have been one of those kind of people that just all of a sudden, he knew it wasn't right once he was allowed to hear the truth.

00:19:29.260 That's right.

00:19:30.200 Once he figured out, okay, what I'm hearing from the BBC is the truth.

00:19:34.600 What I've been hearing otherwise isn't.

00:19:37.120 He realized that.

00:19:38.100 But then what's important to me is that he took the next step.

00:19:41.340 He decided, I have to do something about it.

00:19:43.760 You know, so he picked up really the only weapon he knew how to use.

00:19:46.960 And that was the typewriter.

00:19:48.040 He was a brilliant writer.

00:19:49.340 At 16.

00:19:50.220 At 16.

00:19:51.000 And he started typing up these anti-Hitler leaflets.

00:19:54.760 At first, he started out even have like a little, on these little kind of quarter-sized red sheets that he would just kind of put these really concise anti-Hitler messages. 0.56

00:20:03.140 Are these examples of them?

00:20:04.440 So, these are some replicas that we've had done up there in English so that you can read it.

00:20:10.740 Down with Hitler.

00:20:11.780 People's seducer. 0.94

00:20:12.760 People's corrupter. 0.94

00:20:13.620 People's traitor. 0.99

00:20:14.420 Down with Hitler. 0.99

00:20:16.180 That's a capital offense. 0.92

00:20:17.480 You die for this.

00:20:18.480 Yeah.

00:20:19.140 Did he know that?

00:20:21.080 Oh, yeah.

00:20:21.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:21.920 He understood that.

00:20:23.100 Now, he was 16, so there must have been some, you know, a little bit of I'm immortal, maybe a little bit to that.

00:20:28.840 But he was a really bright kid as well, and he knew it.

00:20:31.240 And I love even from this example where it says the people's seducer, if you read that in German, it's the folks were führer. 0.67

00:20:38.640 So, he adds this little prefix of V-E-R at the front of the word führer.

00:20:42.440 So, instead of saying the people's leader, it says the people's seducer, just this really clever little play on words who I saw that Dietrich Bonhoeffer made those same references years earlier.

00:20:55.180 So, there's some evidence that Helmut was even pulling from Bonhoeffer.

00:20:59.220 We know that he was weaving together other band authors like Shakespeare and Schiller and Heinrich Mann and these, and just kind of weaving them together in these, starting with these little quarter-sized sheets.

00:21:10.260 But eventually, at a certain point, that wasn't enough.

00:21:12.600 So, he went to the full-size sheet, no margins, just cramming as many words as he possibly could onto these leaflets.

00:21:21.980 So, wow, a new year has begun, a year in which Hitler has set all of his last hopes into the struggle, which is fact, it's already hopelessly lost. 0.88

00:21:33.800 1942, the year of decision, will decide decisively, we are told.

00:21:39.420 It will show until now deeds still triumph over words, even when these words, one is tempted to say these dictionaries full of words,

00:21:48.740 spring from the mouth of a certain hair, Dr. Joseph Goebbels.

00:21:53.780 So, this guy, he was not, this kid was not just writing this by himself.

00:21:59.600 I mean, he was writing it by himself.

00:22:00.880 Right.

00:22:01.520 But he was also going to church, and the church was against this.

00:22:07.980 The bishop of the church even had put out a…

00:22:11.740 Yeah, he put a sign on the door which said, no Jews allowed.

00:22:16.760 Right.

00:22:16.960 Especially poignant because they just had one Jewish convert that attended this congregation,

00:22:22.780 and he happened to be a good friend of Helmut's.

00:22:25.120 And so, that for Helmut was one of the last straws as well.

00:22:27.640 He started finding the truth, but also when that happened, when his friend Salomon was arrested by the Gestapo

00:22:33.120 and taken to a concentration camp, that was kind of the last straw, and he started putting out these flyers at night.

00:22:39.240 And the church, like most churches, I mean, most churches in Germany just had gone really dark.

00:22:45.380 This church was just, were they actually anti-Jewish or were they trying to protect?

00:22:51.300 No.

00:22:51.600 Yeah.

00:22:51.840 In fact, that was really an exception.

00:22:54.120 You know, most of the other branches of this church throughout Germany, as far as we know, none of the others put that kind of a sign on the door.

00:22:59.940 Yeah.

00:23:00.020 It's interesting that this bishop that they had, though, he was, I've met with his sons, you know, and they talk about, you know, he was really a good man.

00:23:08.140 He was also a devout Nazi. 0.83

00:23:09.400 So this, it's weird.

00:23:11.660 Yeah.

00:23:11.940 Devout Nazi, good man. 0.86

00:23:13.780 Yeah.

00:23:14.160 This is the kind of decisions that we are facing now.

00:23:18.800 When you begin to compromise, what happens?

00:23:23.380 That's, again, why I said don't compromise.

00:23:25.920 We're with Matt Whitaker.

00:23:27.360 He is the director and co-writer of a series called Truth and Conviction that is still on the storyboard.

00:23:35.520 They're going to be fundraising here soon.

00:23:39.400 He's with Angel Studios.

00:23:42.600 And this is a project.

00:23:44.980 I love this story because it's about teenagers in Germany that risked their life and did make an impact.

00:23:55.960 So tell me the story.

00:23:59.200 So this 16-year-old kid, Helmut Huebner, learns the truth, picks up the weapon he knows, which is a typewriter,

00:24:06.300 starts typing up the truth on these little flyers and leaflets.

00:24:10.380 At first, he's by himself going out on the streets of Hamburg at night, posting them up, extremely dangerous.

00:24:15.660 But he reaches a point where that's not enough.

00:24:17.380 So he recruits his two best friends from church.

00:24:19.840 And, you know, he's 16, they're 17 and 15.

00:24:23.860 And the three of them, they actually sneak in the church and start cranking off copies on the mimeograph machine and then going out.

00:24:30.480 And nobody at church knows this.

00:24:31.680 No, nobody at church knows this at all.

00:24:33.460 And they're posting these out for about a year.

00:24:36.320 Well, of course, the Gestapo is, you know, some of them are being turned in.

00:24:40.380 And the Gestapo is finding these and then just seeing how dangerous they are.

00:24:44.660 You know, at that point for the Gestapo, the typewriter is more dangerous than the pistol.

00:24:49.500 Sure.

00:24:50.020 Because they know they can take pistols away.

00:24:51.720 They can take those away.

00:24:52.520 But what somebody believes in their mind, that's much more difficult.

00:24:56.340 So they were very threatened.

00:24:57.620 They were convinced that it was a university professor that was writing these, some sort of communist university professor they were trying to track down.

00:25:04.640 And so for a year, they were relentlessly pursuing them.

00:25:08.200 And one Gestapo agent in particular, Agent Müsner was his name.

00:25:12.520 And he was just obsessed with finding out who was doing this.

00:25:15.400 And so really that whole time that Helmut and his friends were putting these out, the agent is trying to track them down.

00:25:22.480 And they operated for about a year.

00:25:25.100 And then before eventually he was tracked down at his work at the city hall in Hamburg and was arrested.

00:25:32.240 And they arrested Helmut first.

00:25:35.680 He had made a promise to his friends that, you know, if any of us get caught, don't turn in the others.

00:25:40.980 And he was able to keep that promise for about five days.

00:25:44.720 Yeah.

00:25:44.820 Via Vase of making you talk.

00:25:46.020 Yeah.

00:25:46.300 And that's exactly what happened.

00:25:47.500 I've read some of the documentation about that interrogation process where they use terms like, we use deciduous persuasion.

00:25:56.060 You know, these euphemisms that would, but eventually after five days, they broke him.

00:26:02.660 They were first trying to get him to say, who's the adult behind this?

00:26:05.780 Who's writing these?

00:26:06.860 You know, who is that?

00:26:07.560 They thought for sure there was somebody, this kid was just the paper boy, you know.

00:26:12.480 But eventually they realized that this is the kid who's been writing these.

00:26:15.560 Did he admit that, that he would write away?

00:26:17.180 In fact, he admitted that right away.

00:26:18.540 Yeah.

00:26:18.660 He said, I'm the one doing this.

00:26:19.860 I'm doing it alone.

00:26:20.740 It's just me.

00:26:22.020 After five days, they broke him.

00:26:24.420 He gave the names of his friends.

00:26:25.980 They arrested Carl and Rudy.

00:26:28.140 And the three of them were also tortured and interrogated and held.

00:26:33.020 And then on August 11th of 1942, so 80 years ago, this past August, they stood in the highest court in Nazi Germany, Hitler appointed judge.

00:26:43.240 And it was, you know, it was a kangaroo court, of course.

00:26:46.020 You know, they had Nazi appointed attorneys to represent them and that kind of a thing. 0.65

00:26:51.520 But the really, for me, the most powerful part, and this will be the climax of our four-part series, is when this now 17-year-old Helmut Huebner stands up and decides he can see if they were going to go after Carl, his older friend who had turned 18.

00:27:06.260 So he was the adult.

00:27:07.720 And Helmut realized that they were going to go after him.

00:27:11.900 And so-

00:27:12.320 You mean to make him the kingpin.

00:27:14.260 That's right.

00:27:15.060 And hang him out to dry.

00:27:16.340 That's right.

00:27:16.760 Hang him out to dry.

00:27:17.460 So Helmut – and Carl told me this personally.

00:27:19.340 He could see it happening.

00:27:20.360 He watched Helmut stand up, literally and figuratively stand up and take all of the attention on himself.

00:27:27.020 And he started getting in the face of that judge and exposing the lies that the judge was telling in the court.

00:27:32.360 And they have this interchange back and forth.

00:27:35.560 And he really kind of –

00:27:36.100 Is that all documented?

00:27:36.960 Oh, yeah.

00:27:37.600 Yeah.

00:27:37.900 Oh, my gosh.

00:27:38.520 I'd love to see this.

00:27:39.740 Yeah.

00:27:39.920 It's incredibly powerful.

00:27:41.840 But at the end, it worked.

00:27:43.120 He took all the attention on himself.

00:27:45.180 He was sentenced to death for his actions.

00:27:47.800 His two friends were sentenced to years of hard labor.

00:27:51.460 But they lived.

00:27:53.280 And something that's really important to me is just minutes after that.

00:27:56.180 And Carl tells about how they were all moved into this little cell in kind of the last few minutes together as Helmut, who was telling them, please, you know, don't forget what we did.

00:28:05.220 You know, that kind of a thing.

00:28:06.420 His last two words to his two best friends were, remember me.

00:28:10.860 And I think that word remember is so important.

00:28:13.860 They spent – his two friends spent the rest of their lives trying to tell this story, you know, and giving an example of what it means to – what it meant then to stand up.

00:28:21.760 The movie's never been made about this.

00:28:23.160 No, there have been – I made a documentary for PBS 20 years ago.

00:28:27.440 And it's while I was doing that that I just realized, you know, this is a story that changes people who hear it.

00:28:32.820 And it needs to reach a much broader audience, which is –

00:28:35.680 Especially teens.

00:28:36.900 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:28:38.860 You know, our generation, my generation, the X-Gen, Gen Xers and Boomers and that kind of thing, we're going to be drawn to this kind of story for teenagers to see kids their own age that are standing up for what is right.

00:28:51.840 You know, Carl told me they were, you know, in their church, they were raised singing that old traditional Christian hymn, Do What Is Right, Let The Consequence Follow.

00:28:59.520 And that's exactly what they did.

00:29:01.540 You know, they stood up and the consequences for them were grave.

00:29:04.260 So how did Carl, when he told you about – I watched him, I watched him take it all on and basically free me from the gallows.

00:29:16.360 What was his feeling?

00:29:17.700 It's interesting because I know that he had told the story before, but when he was telling it to me, it was as if he was telling it for the first time.

00:29:27.400 He was emotional.

00:29:28.580 We had the incredible experience of taking Carl with us back to Germany to go into the chamber where his friend was executed, was actually beheaded by guillotine at the age of 17.

00:29:40.040 It's now a national memorial in Berlin.

00:29:42.900 And Carl walked in there and then just started weeping and talking to his friend and telling us, this is where it happened.

00:29:50.560 And he saved my life.

00:29:52.180 That's interesting that that's what Carl said.

00:29:53.580 He saved my life.

00:29:55.520 Amazing.

00:29:56.740 All right.

00:29:57.520 So what point are you at for producing this?

00:30:02.060 Yeah, so we partnered with Angel Studios who brought us The Chosen, an amazing series, and we've partnered with them and we're in the process now of crowdfunding.

00:30:16.080 That's what Angel Studios has done.

00:30:17.880 They've kind of turned the traditional model of raising money for and distributing independent film and series on its head where traditionally,

00:30:29.200 you know, the Hollywood version is kind of, let's make it first.

00:30:32.500 We'll spend our millions making it and then spend millions more hoping that we can build an audience for it.

00:30:37.620 They are like, build an audience.

00:30:39.400 Let's build an audience first, make sure that we have an audience.

00:30:42.300 And once we know that, then we'll make it.

00:30:44.460 Then we already have our audience in place.

00:30:46.180 And so that's where we're at now is we're with Angel Studios.

00:30:48.780 We're just, we're opening it up so people can actually go to our landing page, to our website at angel.com slash truth and show their interest.

00:30:58.960 They can back the project, you know, and I don't, you're not crowdfunding yet, but it's coming in the future.

00:31:04.780 But you, anybody, if you are interested in this, I think this is a really important story to tell.

00:31:11.880 It's one of my favorite stories.

00:31:13.720 I mean, I'm a, I'm a sucker for the underdog who stands and in the end kind of thinks they, they lost, but they really didn't.

00:31:22.780 Because once you get out of their time, you know, there are memorials to him and, and, and people in Germany know him.

00:31:32.380 You, you look at what was the guy's name?

00:31:36.920 I was telling you about the Mein Kampf that has his book played in it.

00:31:41.120 Stauffenberg.

00:31:41.760 Stauffenberg.

00:31:42.320 Yeah.

00:31:42.980 Stauffenberg.

00:31:43.520 Most people don't even didn't know before the Tom Cruise movie.

00:31:46.740 Most people in America didn't know who he was.

00:31:48.380 He's a national hero in, uh, in Germany and he was executed.

00:31:53.600 Um, we need to learn these, these stories about the Bonhoeffers and the, uh, the humaners and, uh, and the von Stauffenbergs, uh, go to angel.com slash truth, angel.com slash truth, and find out more about this, uh, truth and convictions TV series.

00:32:15.020 Um, and hopefully we will see it soon.

00:32:18.200 When do you go back to Germany?

00:32:19.760 Uh, well, we're heading to, to Germany for the 80th anniversary of Helmut's execution, uh, this in about two weeks, October 27th.

00:32:27.860 Oh, wow.

00:32:28.160 Is when he was executed and the German government is, is, you know, holding a memorial service there.

00:32:33.540 So we're going to be there for that.

00:32:34.900 We'll be, we'll be, uh, posting source to our socials and actually doing a live stream and we can give you a call.

00:32:40.240 And yeah, let me know.

00:32:41.060 Cause I'd love to attach you to my socials too.

00:32:43.400 I'd love to see that.

00:32:44.560 Oh, that would be, I wish I could be there.

00:32:45.640 That would be fantastic.

00:32:46.540 Yeah.

00:32:46.980 Thank you so much.

00:32:48.160 God bless you.

00:32:49.140 Angel.com slash truth, angel.com slash truth.

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00:33:02.820 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:13.400 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:15.520 Uh, I, uh, there was a story that came out today that I, I found, uh, fascinating, uh, and that is Tulsi Gabbard.

00:33:23.360 I can no longer remain in today's democratic party. 0.69

00:33:25.680 Uh, it is now under the complete control of elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly, uh, cowardly wokeness who divide us by radicalizing every issue. 0.98

00:33:35.800 Stoke anti-white racism actively worked to undermine our God-given freedoms. 0.97

00:33:40.100 Um, I wanted to talk to Tulsi because, uh, um, I know her. 0.88

00:33:46.440 I think we have the big things in common, the, you know, bill of rights constitution.

00:33:53.100 Hey, I, I think America's made some really bad things.

00:33:55.820 Let's, uh, let's learn from those.

00:33:57.860 Cause, uh, most of it is really good if we can get it right.

00:34:01.560 Um, but she, it's interesting also because she's leaving the democratic party and she wasn't like when people leave the republicans,

00:34:10.100 the republican party, they're either really, really conservative and believe in things.

00:34:14.540 And they're like, this party doesn't mean anything.

00:34:16.440 Or you've got the people who are just, they're not really Republicans.

00:34:20.860 They're more of a Democrat, conservative Democrat.

00:34:24.440 Uh, and they leave.

00:34:26.360 She was deep into the, the socialist side of the party.

00:34:31.860 Uh, Tulsi Gabbard joins us now. 0.79

00:34:33.700 Hi, Tulsi.

00:34:34.240 How are you?

00:34:35.700 Hey, Glenn.

00:34:36.640 Good morning.

00:34:37.040 I'm good.

00:34:37.360 How are you doing?

00:34:37.900 Good.

00:34:38.300 Good.

00:34:38.500 So, um, first of all, let me just introduce it.

00:34:41.700 It's a host of the Tulsi Gabbard show.

00:34:43.980 Uh, and you can find out more about her at Tulsi dot substack.com.

00:34:50.040 So Tulsi, why leave the Democrats and why now?

00:34:57.660 Glenn, you know, you and I have had a lot of great conversations and so many of those conversations often I find have been centered around freedom.

00:35:07.060 As you mentioned, the bill of rights, these fundamental principles, our country was founded on the things that are most important that, that really bind us all together as Americans.

00:35:17.480 And when it comes right down to it, today's Democratic Party does not believe in freedom.

00:35:25.020 They don't believe in freedom.

00:35:26.340 Uh, and because they don't believe in freedom and because they are, uh, you know, the party is led by fanatical ideologues.

00:35:34.620 They're actively trying to undermine those God-given rights that we have that are enshrined in our Constitution.

00:35:43.600 They are, they are actively seeking to undermine our freedom of speech.

00:35:48.360 They want to control what we say and what we think.

00:35:52.280 Uh, they are attacking our religious liberty.

00:35:55.600 Uh, they cannot handle it when people dare to speak out or even question, question the things that they are trying to, uh, impose on us as a society.

00:36:08.200 Uh, and the way that they, they, uh, you know, they foment fear, you see this cancel woke culture, uh, they try to silence anyone who dares to disagree or anyone who dares to expose the insecurity, uh, their insecurity and the weakness in their argument and narrative.

00:36:24.120 And, uh, for a whole host of reasons, and you can go and, you know, uh, read my statement on Substack or listen to, to, you know, I, I spoke about this in detail, um, on the Tulsi Gabbard show, but it really all comes down to, uh, freedom.

00:36:40.340 And I, I can, I can no longer be associated with today's Democratic Party that is so actively anti-freedom.

00:36:48.560 Tulsi, you know, you and I have talked many times and I really respect you, but I have to ask, uh, a couple of questions and I want you to know, these are honest questions.

00:36:58.100 I'm not trying to do anything, but really understand a couple of things.

00:37:01.560 First of all, um, address the cynics that would say you're only doing this now because you want the publicity for your podcast or, you know, Substack.

00:37:11.360 Uh, you, I'm, I'm laughing a little bit as you're asking that Glenn, because, uh, every time I've made a decision that, uh, got, got some attention, uh, but was maybe politically not expedient or the popular thing to do.

00:37:31.260 That was very often the response.

00:37:32.680 You're like, Oh, you're just doing this to get attention.

00:37:34.320 It's never made sense.

00:37:35.660 That's never been the motivation that I've had.

00:37:38.500 Uh, I have done my best and continue to do my best, uh, to make decisions, whether it be about policy or other things, uh, based on, on what's right.

00:37:49.760 Okay.

00:37:50.220 And, uh, this was not a decision that I made lightly or quickly, but it's one that I knew, uh, had to be done. 0.81

00:37:57.820 Um, this is, this is the part that, um, that I'm really interested in because I think there are people that are leaving, um, the parties, both parties, um, because they think they're both about bull crap.

00:38:14.240 Um, there are people like Bill Maher that are really, uh, speaking out against this democratic mob.

00:38:22.340 Um, and he, people will say, I think he's turning conservative.

00:38:26.740 No, he's not.

00:38:27.880 He's a classical liberal.

00:38:29.640 He's a guy who believes in freedom, et cetera, et cetera.

00:38:33.440 He just believes in more taxes and more government and everything else.

00:38:37.000 So he's just being the kind of American that loves the country and agrees with the bill of rights.

00:38:45.500 And the kind of American that doesn't want to fight his neighbor can live side by side.

00:38:52.360 I, I'm, I, I want to ask you because you, uh, I mean, you endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016, um, endorsed Keith Ellison.

00:39:02.700 Um, you are somebody that has, you're way down the rabbit hole to the left on your policies.

00:39:09.880 Have you changed your mind on those or are you more like Bill Maher?

00:39:16.240 What, what, what's happening?

00:39:19.160 Uh, well, first I want to go back to what you mentioned about, you know, being, being a classic liberal.

00:39:25.060 And I think a lot of people have forgotten or don't know maybe what that actually means.

00:39:29.140 But if you look at, if you look at classic liberalism, and this is something that you talk about,

00:39:34.180 classic liberalism is about respecting individual freedom and individual rights.

00:39:39.420 Uh, it's about, uh, really living up to that ideal of a government of by and for the people.

00:39:45.040 It's about civil liberties and freedom.

00:39:47.380 And my gosh, today's democratic party, uh, is, is clearly so far off from the classic liberals of greats of our past.

00:39:58.600 Uh, you know, uh, I, there, I, I've never put myself, as you know, in, in a box, like I've, I've never cleanly fit in, uh, you know,

00:40:07.520 the so-called progressive box or the, you know, even, even as a Democrat, I've always been an independent Democrat.

00:40:12.900 And so there are things that, uh, probably I, I agree with some folks on or disagree with other folks on, uh,

00:40:20.080 but ultimately what it, what it comes down to is, is the democratic party of today has literally gone insane.

00:40:28.340 And the foundation of freedom, uh, has not only been lost.

00:40:32.860 It's something that they're actively attacking, uh, which, which makes it impossible to even have a conversation

00:40:40.200 about many of the other things that, that affect us in our everyday lives.

00:40:44.620 If we can't stand on this common foundation of, and principle of freedom, uh, and, and recognizing

00:40:51.500 our God-given rights enshrined in the constitution, then there's, there's not a whole lot of, uh, room to talk.

00:40:59.640 So tell me what you think happened to the democratic party.

00:41:03.180 As, as I see it, they gave it, they gave into the Marxists, but they're not really giving into the Marxists.

00:41:09.980 That's the, that's a, I don't know, that was a feint or something. 0.99

00:41:13.220 I, I'm not sure what it was, uh, but it was a useful idiots. 0.99

00:41:17.620 Uh, and really what they've done is they've become this corporatist, uh, globalist, uh, monster. 0.99

00:41:28.420 What happened?

00:41:29.360 Do you think?

00:41:31.460 You know, I, I can't tell you specifically what the cause is, but what I have experienced and what

00:41:37.800 I've seen is, you know, going back 20 years ago, when I first ran for state house here

00:41:44.280 in Hawaii and I looked at, okay, well, which party do I want to affiliate with at that time

00:41:48.840 when I looked and Hawaii's past, especially, I saw the democratic party as a big tent, inclusive

00:41:54.100 party, respecting people who hold different views on different issues, but really rooted

00:41:59.620 in the foundations of justice and fairness and freedom and being a champion for the little

00:42:04.320 guy, for the working class American.

00:42:07.100 And that party is, is, is not recognizable, uh, today.

00:42:11.760 Uh, it is a, it is a party of the elite by the elite and for the elite.

00:42:16.300 It is a party of, of warmonger, warmongers who are firmly in the grips of the military

00:42:21.860 industrial complex.

00:42:23.340 Uh, it's a party that has left the people behind and, uh, and it's been taken over by

00:42:30.560 these fanatical ideologues who, um, are blinded by their ambition and desire for power.

00:42:38.080 You know, I, I've, I've been through this, uh, over the years and I've seen how not only

00:42:44.140 do they try to destroy people who disagree with them, even if you just don't say anything

00:42:49.720 about whatever their cause at the moment is, because it changes, then their response is,

00:42:54.940 well, you're, you are complicit. 0.51

00:42:56.620 If you are silent, you are complicit.

00:42:58.280 You're part of the problem.

00:42:59.600 Then, then if you say, oh, you know, okay, well, fine.

00:43:02.060 I, I, I agree with that.

00:43:03.420 Makes sense.

00:43:04.220 It's, it's not enough unless you get out there with your megaphone and stand on the

00:43:09.640 street corner and scream loudly and march in the protest and, you know, proclaim your

00:43:15.260 allegiance to whatever their cause of the moment is, then it's not enough.

00:43:20.400 They're not convinced.

00:43:21.660 Uh, it, it, the, the goalposts keep changing.

00:43:25.440 They don't believe in truth.

00:43:26.980 And when people don't believe in truth and there are no boundaries to, uh, what they are

00:43:33.440 propagating in our society, which, which frankly poses, uh, great danger and risk.

00:43:41.560 So I'm, I'm taking, and maybe I have this wrong, but I'm taking it that you, you know,

00:43:47.060 you haven't become a conservative, but you still agree with some of the socialist big

00:43:52.660 government things that you supported in the past.

00:43:54.940 So if that's true, who are you going to vote for?

00:43:58.600 I mean, how are you, there's an election coming up.

00:44:01.240 You don't have to have names, but do you vote for the party?

00:44:05.000 Even if the person is good?

00:44:08.640 I know.

00:44:10.740 The answer is no.

00:44:12.700 Uh, I, I, I have always been of the mindset that we should not be voting based on party lines.

00:44:20.820 We should be voting based on the character and values of a candidate and their commitment

00:44:26.880 to the constitution.

00:44:29.120 Um, you know, there, there are different, uh, issues or positions that, you know, through

00:44:35.700 my experience, I've seen, okay, wow, well, you know, I, I didn't know that, or I didn't

00:44:40.060 understand that.

00:44:40.840 And I think it's important to, to always be willing to self-examine and say, okay, was I

00:44:46.480 right on that or not?

00:44:47.460 Or is there a better approach to being able to tackle the problems that we face?

00:44:52.240 Um, you know, I, I was confounded when I was vice chair of the democratic national party,

00:44:57.640 uh, for a few years in Washington, every time we would go to events during, during election

00:45:02.940 year, and you'd hear the mantra vote blue, no matter who.

00:45:07.160 And it never made any sense to me.

00:45:09.480 It never made any sense because I know a lot of people who probably should not have ever

00:45:15.680 been running for office, but we're standing up on a stage, getting people support and

00:45:20.700 votes as people stood next to them saying, vote blue, no matter who, the, who matters

00:45:25.640 character matters.

00:45:26.740 Your values matter, your commitment and who you're loyal to matters the most.

00:45:32.040 The fact that we have gotten to a place in a country where we have so many leaders in

00:45:36.840 Washington who took that oath that every one of us takes when you take public office,

00:45:42.600 that oath to support and defend the constitution, but they've thrown the constitution in the trash

00:45:48.540 or they're openly, uh, you know, stomping their feet on it in defiance of that oath that

00:45:56.180 they took, uh, this is where, if you look at, you start questioning, why are, why are

00:46:02.140 people doing these things?

00:46:03.240 Why are they taking the position that they're taking?

00:46:05.000 Why are they, why don't they believe in the rule of law?

00:46:08.020 Why, how can they oppose free speech?

00:46:10.680 Uh, it's, it's because they don't believe in the constitution and, and without that, uh,

00:46:17.100 they're floundering and there is no foundation to stand on.

00:46:20.000 Talking to Tulsi Gabbard, um, and I, I think it is really important.

00:46:26.660 Um, I like Tulsi.

00:46:28.080 I don't know if you would consider me a friend, but I consider you a friend, Tulsi.

00:46:30.860 I do.

00:46:31.420 I do, Glenn.

00:46:32.200 Um, and, uh, and while we, I'm sure disagree on a lot of really big things, it is really

00:46:40.160 important when somebody recognizes and says, oh, that's poison.

00:46:44.780 Um, that even though they're not on your team per se, that you recognize that's a huge,

00:46:53.440 huge step and important because we have to get back to being a country where we can live

00:46:59.140 side by side and disagree with each other, but still like each other and respect one

00:47:04.740 another.

00:47:05.180 So Tulsi, good job.

00:47:07.280 Thank you so much.

00:47:08.200 Thank you.

00:47:08.760 You bet.

00:47:09.020 Great to talk to you, Glenn.

00:47:09.880 Have a great day.

00:47:10.520 You too.

00:47:10.840 Tulsi.substack.com and, uh, you can, uh, find out more follower on, uh, at Tulsi Gabbard

00:47:17.880 or Tulsi Gabbard.com.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 11, 2022

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