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00:00:39.060 people like you we do so much for you can you do one thing for us i mean that is all we're asking

00:00:46.120 i think you have the story wrong here on this one crap uh we're gonna today we had a we it was a it

00:00:52.740 was an interesting journey on the podcast today first we start with john ziegler who is the most

00:00:57.600 unpopular man on the planet by his choice he he is always taking the contrarian uh view but we talked

00:01:04.940 about michael jackson and we talked about r kelly with him uh and and then we brought pat into the

00:01:11.000 conversation as well then also we started talking about story and feelings and facts and the reason

00:01:24.180 why we're losing so many times conservatives even though we have the facts we don't have the story

00:01:29.280 and i tried to show you with dan crenshaw what he said yesterday on the border that that is the way

00:01:36.600 to tell a story you tell the story you get people emotionally attached and then you get the facts

00:01:41.780 in there um and that kind of took us the rest of the show to kind of uh argue back and forth with uh

00:01:50.020 with stew and i yeah it was it's an interesting way of looking at i think it you know kind of

00:01:54.120 encapsulates the show but it also encapsulates the way for conservatives to communicate the things that

00:02:00.660 they believe in the principles they believe in um without kind of getting rolled over by the media

00:02:07.080 and by the left and i think you come up at the end with a really good formula of how to do this

00:02:13.400 and something that can actually work yeah that's all on today's podcast

00:02:16.960 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program

00:02:27.280 do you think he gets up in the morning and says how can i piss more people off

00:02:36.560 it's possible it is possible michael jackson could be guilty as hell

00:02:41.420 and hbo's leaving neverland would still be unfair those are the words of john ziegler welcome to the

00:02:49.000 program john glenn i'm gonna put ever unpopular on my business card that's what you need that's what

00:02:55.720 you need so john i actually um you know i know this this article when you read it you thought

00:03:01.840 yeah you know everybody's going to disagree with me on this but we actually don't um we've watched this

00:03:08.000 uh and i think and i in reading your your article i think you would agree most likely these guys are

00:03:15.980 telling the truth most likely this guy uh michael jackson did this to these uh to these kids and

00:03:22.320 many others but he's not around to defend himself and we're just presenting one side

00:03:29.100 this is dangerous that's why i wrote the column uh however that that column was written a couple of

00:03:36.940 days ago and um i'm not sure i would write the same column today because i'm quite sure that one of

00:03:44.360 the two guys in that hbo quote-unquote documentary wade robeson is not telling the truth really yeah um

00:03:53.720 and let me put it this way if he is telling the truth then we might as well throw away the entire

00:03:59.620 judicial system because uh there is absolutely positively no way for an accused person to defend

00:04:07.320 themselves uh because the wade robeson story is on on paper is a complete joke and i purposely went

00:04:17.820 into watching the neverland uh movie i don't want to call it a documentary because it's ridiculously

00:04:23.120 one-sided even if jackson is guilty let me just say i hate this subject glenn i hate being the person

00:04:31.180 that has to stand up and say wait a minute but no one else wants to do this and and i mean you said

00:04:37.160 ever unpopular that's even with my own wife i mean my wife is furious at me with um uh but i'm telling

00:04:44.080 you the wade robeson story my my dog in this hunt is not michael jackson i don't care about michael

00:04:50.200 jackson i care about the truth and i really really care about the rules we're creating for how we

00:04:56.980 evaluate these kind of stories because that is radically changing in a very dangerous way and if the

00:05:05.440 wade robeson story is allowed to stand then i seriously glenn i do not know how a rich famous

00:05:13.320 person uh is able to defend themselves against any allegation because i have evaluated these kind of

00:05:21.460 stories for years now and this one is the most inexplicable uh that i have ever seen why do you say

00:05:30.040 that why do you say that well because in all seriousness again he could be telling the truth

00:05:34.960 but if he is then on what basis would any story ever be discredited let me i mean i could talk to you

00:05:41.820 for hours about this but let me just give you a couple of highlights i mean here's a guy who i'm

00:05:47.040 forgetting about the fact that at 12 years old he testified in a civil complaint that jackson never

00:05:53.600 did anything to him and he was the greatest thing ever i'm discounting that okay he's 12 years old

00:05:57.840 and supposedly still being abused but at 22 years old as an adult celebrity okay people need to

00:06:06.440 understand he's a celebrity this is a guy who who allegedly broke up britney spears and justin

00:06:12.680 timberlake because he had an affair with britney spears now right there that's confidence folks that's

00:06:19.620 that that is not consistent what with what we're told is a sex abuse victim this is a worldly guy

00:06:25.700 at 22 in the midst of a massive criminal trial he is not just a witness for michael jackson he is

00:06:35.060 michael jackson's first defense witness i know michael jackson's attorney tom mesero very well here in

00:06:42.600 los angeles tom mesero is a brilliant guy he believes michael jackson is innocent i do not

00:06:48.640 know if he is or not i'm i'm agnostic on that issue but as far as wade robeson there is no way in hell

00:06:56.220 that tom mesero or michael jackson if he's a criminal mastermind is going to put wade robeson

00:07:01.760 on the stand first in his criminal trial if he's abused him for seven years and and that uh tom mesero

00:07:09.280 who has interviewed him vigorously his family vigorously is going to put him on the stand first

00:07:14.580 this is this is the testimony which was vigorously defending uh jackson is is only one of a thousand

00:07:21.600 data points that continue well after the trial and well after jackson's death that robeson was never

00:07:29.800 abused after jackson dies robeson issues one of the most uh ebullient pro jackson statements i've ever

00:07:38.220 heard anyone give he's the greatest human being that's ever lived he writes a chapter in a book

00:07:43.660 eulogizing michael jackson he attends his funeral he and then it only shifts it only shifts immediately

00:07:53.040 after when michael jackson is dead and ropes and loses out on the job to choreograph a circus soleil

00:08:01.400 michael jackson show in las vegas and then he sues for millions of dollars he the first time he ever

00:08:08.760 tells the story to anyone and in the course of that lawsuit the course of that lawsuit the discovery

00:08:14.880 shows how he created his story and you don't even i in my column i i don't think i accurately describe

00:08:24.100 how that lawsuit uh got adjudicated it got adjudicated because of statute of limitations

00:08:29.980 concerns and that sounds like oh that you know there was nothing about the merit that's not really

00:08:34.860 accurate what really happened is it was statute of limitations concern and then when he tried to

00:08:39.800 figure out a loophole around the statute of limitations the judge determined that he blatantly

00:08:44.540 perjured himself as proven by emails and threw out his entire testimony so now so wow i mean so if if this

00:08:52.300 if this if wade robeson is to be believed and accepted within a documentary with zero pushback i mean

00:08:59.780 zero skeptical questioning zero if informing the audience in the first hour of some of these basic

00:09:07.060 facts then i really honestly glenn i do not know how anyone years later can possibly defend themselves

00:09:14.460 and again i don't care about michael jackson and i hate this subject but come on people this was

00:09:21.040 told and when we when you see interviews with this director dan reed i have never seen anyone as invested

00:09:27.460 uh in a storyline uh without facts than this guy's uh so i mean look could wade robeson be telling

00:09:34.620 the truth i guess so i guess jesse smollett and christine ford could too i i mean because i mean

00:09:40.460 frankly uh i i that his story uh makes christine ford and jesse smollett look like george washington

00:09:47.320 and abraham lincoln uh and that's how that's how bad it is i mean it's really it is really it's the

00:09:53.520 worst i've ever seen wow what about the other guy now james uh shave chuck is a different

00:10:00.400 breed of story um and i will fully acknowledge by the way both of them are very good they're very

00:10:06.840 compelling it's disgusting it's horrific uh it's important to point out that no one seems to want

00:10:12.260 to acknowledge these are two guys who have been entertainers since they were kids they've been

00:10:16.200 performers so can we at least consider the possibility that in the jesse smollett era that

00:10:23.120 they could be just telling the story that is certainly possible uh but it's much more difficult

00:10:28.700 to to destroy uh safe chuck's story because he didn't do nearly the same number of things however

00:10:34.960 he did testify on behalf of jackson in a civil complaint he did uh file apparently a deposition

00:10:41.120 saying or not i mean an affidavit saying he was not uh abused he did not testify at jackson's trial

00:10:48.100 he was about 27 years old at that time but he also didn't testify against him and he never told

00:10:54.200 anybody about this until after jackson was dead about the actual allegations so there you know when you

00:11:02.420 compare it to wade robeson it's not nearly as easily uh questionable um and i and i will fully agree

00:11:08.800 that they're telling the story in neverland leaving neverland is is incredibly compelling

00:11:14.380 and that's clearly why hbo and the director decide to go with it but shouldn't there be more than that

00:11:20.400 i mean really shouldn't there be more than that against the man who is dead a man who was not

00:11:25.120 convicted in court a man who was never even found liable in a civil case i mean to me the threshold

00:11:31.600 ought to be much higher ground under those circumstances this documentary would have been fine if michael

00:11:37.240 jackson had been convicted and confessed but that didn't happen or if he was still alive to defend

00:11:42.080 himself that's not the case because of those circumstances i do not believe never leaving

00:11:47.280 neverland ever should have even aired on hbo and i and i think it's an abomination from a documentary

00:11:52.440 standpoint well it's not a documentary um a documentary is it should present both sides so you have some

00:11:58.780 sort of idea i mean it is it is an anti-michael jackson uh uh movie um and there's no ifs ands

00:12:08.320 or buts they do not ever give anyone a chance to say the the other side at all can i give you an

00:12:15.040 example of that with wade robeson and i didn't know this until after it aired wade robeson during the

00:12:20.740 time of the alleged allegations that he makes against michael jackson which go until he's 14 years old

00:12:25.760 was dating someone he was dating a woman for eight years during his entire teenage years

00:12:31.120 that person was michael jackson's niece brandy who is incredibly credible intelligent i've seen

00:12:40.560 interviews with her she knows he's lying knows it now how how does that make any damn sense

00:12:47.920 that for eight years he's he's dating a girl who's michael jackson's niece who who was there with

00:12:55.620 him the whole time who was having sex with him um who knows him better than anybody during this

00:13:01.100 exact period of time and they don't even interview her don't you think she might have some information

00:13:06.640 glenn i mean that's that's not a documentary as you said that's a hit job and again we should all

00:13:13.160 care about this not because of michael jackson and i don't want to be i hate being seen as as being

00:13:19.180 you know defending supposed pedophiles or michael jackson in particular i despise it we should care

00:13:24.500 about the truth and these rules these new rules are so incredibly dangerous well i want to i want

00:13:32.260 to ask you to hold on here i'm gonna break for a minute and then we'll come right back and i want

00:13:35.400 to change this to r kelly and this uh and and and and even jeffrey epstein here's a guy who clearly

00:13:44.420 uh on the surface has been doing some really bad stuff he gets a sweetheart deal in florida because

00:13:52.120 he's really connected uh and now maybe there's a chance that he is going to be looked into because

00:14:00.880 of a social media push the same thing with r kelly it's a social media push is this good or bad so john

00:14:08.480 here's the here's the the thing i think that makes people believe some of this is these big settlements

00:14:16.060 and you know you settle at a court and quite honestly that used to be the thing to do because

00:14:23.360 it just isn't worth it companies do this all the time they settle that's not necessarily an

00:14:29.380 admission of guilt and so people think that the rich can get away with anything um and and and you

00:14:36.640 look at jeffrey uh what is it epstein or epstein epstein epstein uh you look at jeffrey epstein

00:14:43.240 here's a guy who had uh dozens they say dozens of uh of girls testifying are willing to testify

00:14:52.800 that he had sex with them at underage he cuts a sweetheart deal he gets off with nothing and it's

00:15:00.540 because he's well connected the average guy would not have the same kind of system acting this way

00:15:07.980 with them 100 true based upon what i know of that story i would agree with that a thousand percent

00:15:14.160 but what the weird part is because he's not a celebrity he's just you're actually advantaged

00:15:20.260 being a celebrity i think makes you far more vulnerable than and being rich of course gives

00:15:25.940 you huge advantage uh i mean i i have always believed there i you know i covered the michael jackson

00:15:31.500 trial as a radio talk show host here in los angeles and and before the trial i presume jackson was guilty

00:15:37.100 as hell because of the payoffs the trial actually produced very limited evidence which is why i

00:15:42.560 think he was correctly acquitted that doesn't mean he's innocent that means that they didn't prove it

00:15:46.360 beyond a reasonable doubt but he was very very vulnerable largely because of his celebrity and

00:15:51.620 his money and a payoff to him let's be fair isn't the same as a payoff well my maybe to you but not to

00:15:57.280 me uh because obviously he was super rich at the time and so uh that's all that needs to be taken

00:16:02.920 into consideration now the r kelly situation i find fascinating because uh to me what r kelly

00:16:09.840 do it was doing was taking the brett kavanaugh strategy and like multiplying it times a thousand

00:16:15.140 which is you know you got to show you're fighting back as much as possible and at least some people

00:16:20.220 will believe you i don't believe r kelly but i think it's his strategy is interesting that he took

00:16:25.960 in that interview with cbs so now you you you have the same kind of situation with r kelly

00:16:32.980 as michael jackson where he says you know hey look i already beat this rap once you can't tie me into

00:16:39.200 that i i was cleared of that well that's not really true and plus there's there's another problem for

00:16:47.920 r kelly there's videotape in this case well i mean okay that little detail yeah um and and you know

00:16:58.180 again i i've i've watched uh you know enough shows on r kelly to know that there's the evidence is far

00:17:04.620 stronger based on what we currently know uh than it is against michael jackson um but but i mean did you

00:17:11.840 believe his his reaction in that cbs interview i mean no that felt like acting no yeah it did no i

00:17:17.820 didn't i didn't buy it at all but uh you know what does that mean i am having to judge somebody's

00:17:23.360 you know acting ability but no but but here's why that's important plan and and and i you know um

00:17:28.720 i think this is really important going back to this issue of the rules we're creating

00:17:32.960 let's pretend for a second that r kelly is somehow maybe not guilty i'm not saying that i'm just putting

00:17:39.740 that out as a theory right how is he supposed to defend himself and i i really truly do believe

00:17:45.140 that brett kavanaugh has has carved out the last path for someone who actually is innocent

00:17:51.020 to defend themselves donald trump wouldn't have stuck by brett kavanaugh if he hadn't uh fiercely

00:17:57.080 attacked the story or in his testimony in front of the the senate i mean that would i mean and so

00:18:02.900 that's your only option and what i found interesting was of course that many people on uh social media

00:18:08.380 that i saw news reporters were saying well you know kelly proved himself to be an abuser because he was

00:18:14.260 abusing uh his interviewer who was female female okay fine well then just tell me just please that's

00:18:20.780 all i've ever really asked is tell me what the rules are how is an innocent person in this kind

00:18:25.340 of situation supposed to defend themselves how are they supposed to act because frankly i think me too

00:18:30.460 has taken away all of the avenues i don't know what you're supposed to do even if you are innocent i

00:18:35.120 think that's a great point john i would love to see a moment like this on you know a cable news

00:18:38.280 broadcast when they're talking about this where someone says to the host hey have you ever had an

00:18:42.640 intern that you didn't abuse in your life okay just of course and of course they're going to say

00:18:46.960 yes to that tell me if if that intern came on tv right now and said that you abused them what would 1.00

00:18:52.560 you say to defend yourself what would you say what excuse could you possibly come up with you can't

00:18:56.860 prove where you were every second of every day you don't have video of yourself every second of every

00:19:00.180 day and if we're just supposed to believe the accuser there is no path to defend yourself even if you

00:19:06.600 were completely innocent that's not you know you know conviction by documentary and podcast is a

00:19:12.520 really dangerous road to go down amen stew and again i just want to know what the rules are and i

00:19:19.840 also would like those rules to be semi-rational and and and is that asking is that asking too much

00:19:25.480 because we're way we are way beyond that now and i don't see how we go back i thought jesse

00:19:31.200 smollett might at least tap the brakes but it clearly did not no and i and i we're going to

00:19:35.700 talk next hour about how it's even getting worse now with facebook and and youtube and and everything

00:19:41.160 else i would love to see you look into the jeffrey epstein case uh and really do uh some investigating

00:19:47.940 on that if you do let me know john and we'll find captain we uh we follow you uh as as well

00:19:54.680 individual one is the name of his podcast free speech broadcasting.com and follow him on twitter

00:20:01.220 at zigman freud the best of the glenn beck program

00:20:07.340 hey it's glenn and if you like what you hear on the program you should check out pat gray unleashed

00:20:18.640 his podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast and pat gray is is with us now

00:20:24.500 hello pat oh i came on the wrong day yeah yeah yeah uh so you just heard uh john ziegler who is

00:20:33.060 i think he gets up every day and is like how could i be more unpopular uh and i take the opposite

00:20:39.540 point of view on today right and he said i i i'm not defending michael jackson i have a problem with

00:20:45.440 this hbo documentary that really didn't address the other side although it did it kind of did a little

00:20:52.940 bit he didn't spend a lot of time with it but both of them admitted lying under oath uh they showed a

00:20:59.060 lot of the clips of these of people who are taking them apart online they did sort of cover the other

00:21:05.340 side of it i mean they didn't do it extensively and it happened towards the hat they tipped their hat

00:21:10.940 yes uh i also i i disagree with with ziggler on a couple of things i you know robson explained pretty

00:21:19.040 much everything that ziggler talked about he he went on to yeah a lot of fame and fortune with 0.69

00:21:26.740 nsync and britney spears and i don't know that the fact that he had his way with britney spears

00:21:31.920 proves that he was totally together because you know this would be a signal that you're not together

00:21:38.220 you're breaking up somebody else's marriage right it's the kevin fetterlein law i believe plus as both

00:21:44.420 of them said neither one of them considered it abuse at the time but when they were when they

00:21:50.540 were in the relationship they didn't consider it abuse and then in their teenage years they hadn't

00:21:54.540 really worked through it yet yeah and when you're when you are suffering through things um sometimes you

00:22:01.780 pour yourself into work and you become successful in spite that happens a lot right it's happened it

00:22:09.180 happened with me yeah i mean that's what i that's what drove me was just concentrate on this just

00:22:15.020 concentrate on this concentrate on this um you would agree to though to the idea just generally speaking

00:22:21.380 about you know there's there's a disturbing trend of you know you get enough retweets and the person's

00:22:27.620 guilty absolutely and that is a yes and i will admit i kind of fell into that trap on this documentary

00:22:32.960 because i don't i don't know that michael jackson 100 is guilty i but i'm about 99.5 believe in it

00:22:39.540 yeah and and i probably shouldn't but there is some evidence you know he openly slept with young boys

00:22:44.680 openly over and over and over what really hurts him is you know i had an amusement park i openly slept

00:22:51.360 with uh young boys and oh by the way i had pornos and uh and their fingerprints and the kids

00:22:57.760 fingerprints are on it that's that's a bad sign in my closet and that's but that's all oh that has

00:23:01.800 nothing to do with the documentary right yeah yeah those are old things but it does bring it back to

00:23:05.100 the top of your mind a little bit jordy i'd forgotten about some of that evidence jordy

00:23:08.760 chandler also drew you know yeah the evidence of his man unit uh and it was the exact same markings

00:23:16.900 that the photographs had uh how did that happen is he psychic just luck maybe jordy well he lucked out

00:23:24.100 it looked like abraham lincoln and so so he lucked out sometimes when i go to the airport i just guess

00:23:29.660 set my qr code and draw one yeah and it comes out right i get on the right flight right yeah yeah

00:23:35.100 i'm sure it happens yeah so it does seem like there's a lot there on that one and i think that's

00:23:39.380 been that's the in a way that's what makes me makes me more scared of this is because i think most of

00:23:45.940 these early examples that we could have bill cosby uh harvey weinstein uh michael jackson r kelly

00:23:53.060 there's so much against him and there's legitimate evidence outside of just a documentary that shows

00:24:00.220 you know like it looks pretty bad and obviously cosby and epstein both uh you know either pled

00:24:05.660 guilty or convicted um but it's almost worse that it starts that way because at some point we're just

00:24:13.260 going to start believing this is an okay way to make these decisions i think we're almost there already

00:24:18.460 isn't this just the institutionalization of sololinsky tactics i mean look what they did to

00:24:24.240 me okay you and i both know there was a book that came out said that i multiple yeah multiple books

00:24:31.540 said one said that i killed a girl raped and killed her uh one said that i went to jail in the 19 what 80s

00:24:40.660 or 90s uh driving your delorean drunk and i was so drunk i was always late for work and one day

00:24:46.580 i think pat had to go bail me out or whatever it was uh what was the other one they're just

00:24:52.080 horrible horrible things absolutely untrue published published and what do you do right

00:24:58.420 so what am i do i could have sued him but that would have made that book sell more than five copies

00:25:04.420 which i think it sold about three and the author bought those three um and so they're already doing

00:25:11.200 this look at what they did uh at fox now i helped by saying things like you know barack obama i think

00:25:19.900 he has a problem with race well i do believe that however that was just handing them something easy 0.99

00:25:27.180 to take and turn into something ugly plus who knew that when you accuse somebody of racism it makes you

00:25:33.880 a racist never before in history no that that was at that time that's amazing that was new i can't think

00:25:39.820 you have any examples and it doesn't apply anymore it was just for a short time only for a limited time

00:25:44.040 only that was your special offer right now you can now you can accuse the president of being a racist

00:25:50.180 and it's not a problem it's actually you're getting trouble if you don't accuse him of a

00:25:53.640 being a racist you seriously you're now a racist if you don't accuse the president of being a racist

00:25:58.760 that's a hell of a turn it is so i'll probably learn that right as this one exits and i'll be like

00:26:05.140 you know what i think he is a racist and then the next guy will be in and you'll be like wait

00:26:09.720 wait we flip back again i don't know what to do but yeah you you're a target and uh this happens i

00:26:17.120 mean look it happens to a lot of people who go who are celebrities or well known i mean this is not

00:26:22.140 new i think there's there's an evidence a level of evidence now that is so low it's like almost like

00:26:29.400 if someone spends a lot of time yeah yeah i mean it goes the other way too like i mean making a

00:26:34.800 murderer and serial are two documentaries or podcasts that are saying basically this person's

00:26:39.840 not guilty you should believe that he's not guilty and it may be true uh but again it's a

00:26:44.800 relatively one-sided case this is what documentaries are people leave things out they say things that

00:26:50.480 aren't true and now you know there's a whole movement of people who want these people out of

00:26:55.780 prison or they want other people in prison and again like that is why we have a freaking legal

00:27:02.380 system when it doesn't work it's good that people shine light uh shine light on and i think that's

00:27:06.540 positive yeah but it's it's still we have to back up and say wait a minute there has to be this

00:27:12.840 additional process that has to be that occurs in inside our legal you know uh construct it if you

00:27:18.680 don't have that it's not real and we can all sit here and say well we think r kelly is guilty and

00:27:22.760 you know it's that's my impression as well but are you going to take his livelihood away are you

00:27:30.740 going to ban him you shouldn't think of that not based on allegations that's exactly what the left

00:27:37.520 has done now to anyone who disagrees with them if you if you supported um you know traditional marriage

00:27:45.540 10 years ago you're running a company doesn't matter what they'll destroy you they will destroy you

00:27:51.860 and you won't be able to make money the same thing you you have you have a contrary opinion we have

00:27:58.940 somebody on who i disagree with i i am not i'm i'm pro vaccination but here's a guy who made a movie

00:28:07.440 about the facts on vaccination as he understands them he is being banned now he's been dropped by uh

00:28:17.120 amazon and youtube and is he saying vaccines are dangerous yes still yes okay so i don't agree with

00:28:24.900 that i don't want to hold this guy up or this movie up and say hey everybody should watch this i think

00:28:29.460 this is true i i don't i don't but he should have the right to say it they're not doing that to jim

00:28:36.200 carey who was on that bandwagon for years with jenny mccarthy jenny mccarthy rfk and he still has a

00:28:41.940 career so if you're on the on the left here you're usually insulated is this guy right wing no i don't

00:28:47.600 know i don't know i don't know anything about him i i just know this that people are their lives are

00:28:54.500 being destroyed without a court of law and i don't think you should ban music based on allegations

00:28:59.900 like should should michael jackson's music be pulled off the air in new zealand and wherever

00:29:05.280 else they're doing this no no no unfortunately i haven't seen much of that happening in america yet

00:29:10.380 i know it did it with r kelly yes with r kelly yeah but not michael jackson i've not seen it yet

00:29:14.720 with michael jackson although that's you know we're i mean it's a lot easier to take r kelly's music off

00:29:19.260 the air it's one song right i believe i can fly oh no can we exist without that song it'll be tough

00:29:25.920 r kelly has a has sold a lot a lot i know he has he has i know he has he's made i mean he lives

00:29:33.000 quite the high life apparently he does and he's bought some women and so you got to have some money

00:29:37.320 to do that right well when you say bought women well he says their parents sold him to him sold the two

00:29:46.480 girls to him um so this is this is quite a run though so it's bought really it's just an exchange

00:29:54.860 uh okay so uh 1993 album six times platinum next one really next one five times platinum next one

00:30:03.520 eight times platinum next one four times platinum again platinum then two times platinum then three

00:30:08.720 times platinum again platinum another platinum another platinum that's impressive that is a run

00:30:13.560 there yeah that is i mean look at this is chart position for his albums two one two one two one

00:30:20.320 one one four six five four i mean that is a hell of a run that's from 1993 to 2013 it's a 20-year run

00:30:27.860 wow you know again uh we may not be the target demographic you think i think no you think but

00:30:35.540 that's a hell of a i'm not a 13 year old black girl but yeah so i may not be the target although i read

00:30:42.920 in a book you killed one which is incredible well i raped and killed oh yeah that's right i forgot

00:30:47.740 they're wrong thank you pat

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00:31:19.720 so stew state your case again on on facts and i'm in complete agreement with you

00:31:25.500 i just think maybe we disagree perhaps on nuance yeah my basic uh thesis here

00:31:33.660 is that we blame a lot of things for the problems we have in our society things like you know different

00:31:39.660 ideologies uh you know uh people who uh maybe don't have enough information people who uh you know

00:31:46.940 have human characteristics uh that are flawed in some way but the one we don't give enough blame to

00:31:52.700 our feelings we don't give enough blame to the idea that emotion and feelings consistently

00:31:59.360 overwhelm actual facts in our society it's one of the reasons i became a conservative a very long

00:32:05.240 time ago is because i love the idea that conservatives were the ones who prioritize facts over emotion

00:32:12.280 and that played out for a very long time i think it still does play out to some extent but just the

00:32:19.420 human species is so overwhelmed by emotion and one of the reasons if you look if you read uh thinking fast

00:32:24.920 and slow um it's it talks about basically two types uh two things that are going on in your brain one is

00:32:31.000 this immediate action right so if someone's running at you with a knife you don't you don't sit there

00:32:36.140 and think and contemplate what is that person's motivations they don't seem like they're very happy with

00:32:40.880 me is that a real knife what are they doing and then you get stabbed uh you have the

00:32:44.780 thinking fast part of your brain that immediately reacts without thinking at all does not it just

00:32:50.220 goes fight or flight you know get out of there and then you have the other side in places like

00:32:56.080 policy and the way you design a country and individual rights and you know adhering to the

00:33:02.420 constitution all of those things are all supposed to be exclusively slow slow that second part of your

00:33:09.640 brain that's taking the time to contemplate all the the positives and negatives the rational

00:33:13.760 arguments and we use the other side of our brain that emotional uh passionate side which is great

00:33:20.080 for some things it's great for family it's great for uh it's great for movies it's great it's why

00:33:25.640 music people care about music right i mean it's because that that part of you is real and it's great in

00:33:31.500 those moments it was designed for those moments where you might die in the you know you're a caveman

00:33:36.400 you've got a club do i hit the saber-toothed tiger with the club or not that's what it's designed for

00:33:42.340 all right so it the problem is um and i agree with everything you just said um the problem is

00:33:47.860 is that it's not the blame is not on thinking fast or thinking slow that's neither one of those are the

00:33:56.380 problem or the cure the problem is we're not doing both it's it's you know um a bird can't fly with

00:34:07.560 only one wing um i don't want to live in a world without any liberals because art and everything

00:34:16.260 else will really suck really really suck music will suck television and movies will suck okay i don't 0.92

00:34:25.480 want to live in that but i also don't want to live in a world i always bring this back to a theater

00:34:30.720 i want all the liberals on stage because you're going to do a show and it's going to be great and it's

00:34:35.880 going to be wonderful we're going to pack the house every night and everybody's going to love it

00:34:39.060 and you'll piss some people off but it'll generally be great however get away from the box office

00:34:47.300 because if you get into the accounting in the box office we're going to be broke i want all the

00:34:53.320 conservatives all the slow thinkers i want them in the front of the house you're back of the house

00:34:58.880 okay we need each other and to be clear because of the title of that book it comes off as strange

00:35:04.740 slow thinkers doesn't mean they're slow yeah yeah it means that you take your time and consider

00:35:09.640 well let me give you let me give you an example of how it works in reverse okay everybody thinks

00:35:15.720 that the atomic bomb how this is sold to us is that we just bombed japan japan because we had this bomb

00:35:24.580 and we couldn't wait to use it and we just dropped it on them because well they're yellow mongrels and so 0.99

00:35:31.900 we gotta kill them all right that was that was the theory of the time in some of the propaganda we've

00:35:37.860 played it before yes yes however that's the exact opposite of the people who designed the bomb the

00:35:45.460 bomb was designed with very slow thinking and as they got closer and closer to perfection of the bomb

00:35:53.500 they all thought i don't know if we should do this and so they went to the president and they said

00:35:59.780 i don't think we should do this and they slowed thinking down even more and said let's count the

00:36:07.920 number of people that we think will die if we don't use the bomb and the number of people that will die

00:36:15.400 if we do use the bomb and let's not just count our side let's call let's count the japanese as well

00:36:21.780 that's how that decision was made it was not like we got a new bomb let's kill those yellow bastards 1.00

00:36:29.300 we didn't do that we didn't do that we knew what we had and we used slow thinking but they're accusing

00:36:38.320 us of only using fast thinking okay now the left loves fast thinking because fast thinking gets them

00:36:48.260 everywhere yeah because the facts are not on their side and they want the fast thinking a perfect

00:36:53.220 example of this and you'll recognize it immediately after every mass shooting what do they do guns

00:36:58.600 guns guns guns guns guns and immediately why because if you're thinking slow and i and again that means

00:37:06.140 over a long period of time where you you think out every option and what these things mean

00:37:10.660 you come to the conclusion well you look at the stats the violence is dropping these are very rare

00:37:15.620 incidents there's all the arguments that you hear on talk radio in the weeks after a mass shooting

00:37:20.820 those are arguments that are not emotional they're they're based on fact when and this is why there's

00:37:27.760 you hear this every other time one year anniversary of x shooting you know i just we thought we were

00:37:34.620 going to get this done this time and nothing happened it's like well no you thought you were to get this

00:37:39.140 done because you want to heighten the emotion of the incident you want people's emotion to overwhelm

00:37:44.360 their factual thinking and then you can get your thing done and once it's done it's in place and

00:37:49.580 you're and you're and you're done with the problem okay i want i want to explain this really simply in

00:37:54.740 a different way and then we're going to take a one minute break and i'm going to come back and i'm

00:37:58.360 going to show you it in action okay if you want to win if you want to change the the um the game

00:38:05.480 you have to change the way we present ourselves all right i want you to think of that theater

00:38:13.220 idea that i just gave you that all the liberals are on the stage doing a great show okay and and we

00:38:19.920 know that we know that generally speaking arts and entertainment generally lean left okay there's

00:38:27.080 there's something i don't know what it is but that's what happens in touch with their emotions

00:38:31.320 correct and generally speaking uh mathematics and and business people lean right again generally

00:38:40.360 speaking so we know that the left is attracted to emotion the right is attracted to facts fast thinking

00:38:51.540 on the stage back of house slow thinking we also know for a theater to work it has to have both

00:39:00.380 so we need each other but what are we doing what we're doing is the left will say here's a problem

00:39:10.200 and immediately fast thinking we have to help them we have to help them we have to do whatever we

00:39:16.800 can to help them help them help them help them then they usually skip over the math you're hearing

00:39:25.380 this now with the new green deal where they'll say well it doesn't matter does it matter how much

00:39:30.260 it costs well yes it does yes it does it's just a benefit analysis not a cost benefit right we we

00:39:36.600 have to know what it's going to cost because we need to know is that the best use of our money and

00:39:43.960 our resources to help that problem or are there are there other problems that we can really impact for

00:39:51.360 the same amount of money and is there any other way we can help those people without some big

00:39:57.600 government program so once you do the math remember front of the house the stage they're

00:40:05.020 telling you the story and everybody's saying we got to help them which is good and natural

00:40:10.240 then they will tell you don't pay attention to the people you know in the front of the house because

00:40:17.640 they're just evil money grubbers and they don't really care about what we care here on the stage

00:40:21.960 and so they convince people not to do the math if the people if the audience does the math you have

00:40:29.880 a moral case against socialism you have a moral case against what they're preaching on the stage

00:40:37.700 and it kind of feels bad now let me reverse it let's say uh you're standing in the lobby the show

00:40:47.780 hasn't started yet and you find out about some big crisis the the bean counters the right they're

00:40:55.240 going to say you know what we got a real problem here look at the numbers look at the numbers my gosh

00:41:00.260 the numbers are showing us that well what we're doing right now is going to eventually go into this

00:41:05.180 direction and it's just going to crash and we really shouldn't help without really engaging on the

00:41:11.000 emotional level and so everybody's like i don't care what what are they even talking about i don't

00:41:17.600 care then they go into the theater and they hear the emotional plea and they say that makes me feel

00:41:25.740 good i want to help these bean counters they're heartless but if you if you order it correctly 0.78

00:41:34.540 where you talk about the heart and the emotion then you do the math then you have a moral case for

00:41:43.540 capitalism not the only case you can make on socialism is a feeling case of socialism a moral case we say an

00:41:57.160 economic case no a moral case for capitalism and let me show you this in action and how we should be arguing

00:42:05.840 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program

00:42:13.540 today we've been talking about uh fast thinking and slow thinking the fast thinking is the emotional

00:42:30.620 we got to do something and and that is normal and it is valuable really valuable you know when people

00:42:39.720 get into the normalcy bias they die the people who tried to make an airplane flying into the world

00:42:47.620 trade center into something normal which is also normal it's called the normalcy bias those people

00:42:54.600 who said you know what i've got to first go turn off the lights in my office they died the people who

00:43:00.420 reacted normally not necessarily rationally normally saying we got to get out of here they lived

00:43:08.820 so fast thinking is really important but slow thinking looking at the facts has to be coupled

00:43:18.320 with it like i said you know if all the liberals are doing the show on stage which they're best at

00:43:24.140 and the theater is being run by a bunch of bean counters who are slow thinkers who are generally on

00:43:29.300 the right that's important we need each other we have to have each other otherwise we're going to have

00:43:34.740 great shows and no money or lots of money and no shows so we need each other fast thinking and slow

00:43:42.600 thinking must be coupled slow thinking requires differing opinions and i i want to talk to you about

00:43:53.660 something i want to talk to you here about vaccinations but i do not want to get into the vaccination

00:43:59.920 thing i am a big believer in vaccinations a lot of people aren't fine that's a difference in opinion

00:44:07.420 but we have entered a place adam schiff has come out and said that he believes that we should

00:44:14.160 silence the government google youtube facebook um and all of these all of amazon should um restrict

00:44:24.620 anti-vaxxers if you will any information that does not fall into line with what the government studies

00:44:31.740 show on vaccinations that's extremely dangerous one of the guys who has uh put together a uh uh a a

00:44:43.360 documentary called um vaxxed is del big tree he's one of the preeminent voices of the vaccine risk

00:44:51.980 awareness movement all around the world he's a founder of the non-profit uh the informed consent

00:44:57.560 action network uh and he is one of the first to be banned welcome to the program del thank you very

00:45:04.680 much glenn thank you for having me and thank you for discussing this very important issue yeah and i i

00:45:10.240 want to talk to you del about what happens i mean first of all what you were told and how this is

00:45:16.940 impacting you and the voices of of reasonable people and forget it even unreasonable people

00:45:23.680 um just affecting the voices of anybody who believes differently than the federal government

00:45:30.320 well we've seen this throughout history i mean every time you know a government really begins to fail it

00:45:36.460 starts to use coercion and then bullying then ultimately i believe this is book burning this is

00:45:41.280 a fear that the information that is against the perspective of the government if it's out there

00:45:47.120 it's dangerous uh and oftentimes we look out you know through history governments start seeing

00:45:52.680 themselves as the victim against um you know other information or in my case i would say truth

00:45:59.840 you know i made a documentary about a whistleblower at the cdc that came forward and said

00:46:05.220 that they had committed scientific fraud on the mmr autism study and that they knew

00:46:10.620 that vaccine the mmr vaccine could be causally linked to autism in that study and they covered

00:46:16.540 it up and hid it from the people it wasn't my opinion i'm a document you know i made a documentary

00:46:21.500 i put people in front of a camera i let them speak their truth dr william thompson still works the cdc

00:46:27.820 he is still protected by whistleblower status so how is it that that is misinformation which is what

00:46:34.640 this is being called so yes censorship at amazon they pulled all you know we were on amazon prime

00:46:40.280 anybody could watch it you could stream it and now it's been pulled and you know i think that

00:46:45.560 that's a dangerous step when the government starts getting involved look we know amazon

00:46:49.320 is a private company they can do what they want but when government officials start pressuring private

00:46:55.880 companies and industries to do their bidding or to censor people then you're moving into a very

00:47:03.320 very dangerous place i mean it may not be dangerous in china or iran but here in america where we're

00:47:09.160 supposed to have freedom of speech that is shocking and terrifying so delvin what are you going to

00:47:15.720 do about this what is your recourse well my recourse is to continue doing what i've been doing for the

00:47:22.040 last three years which is continuing to investigate our government our health agencies to i've won two

00:47:28.520 lawsuits against the health agency of america i've won a lawsuit against the national institute of health

00:47:33.240 i won a lawsuit against health and human services proving that they are not doing the safety research

00:47:39.800 demanded by the laws of this country when it comes to vaccines also just so you know i think

00:47:46.120 that the dvd sales of backs have gone through the roof we're rating higher than we ever have because

00:47:51.960 people in america and around the world still have blood pumping through their veins and when they're told

00:47:57.800 they can't look at something they become curious and this is what happened with the film in the

00:48:02.200 beginning we got kicked out of tribeca film festival after having been accepted and then

00:48:06.840 robert de niro came out and defended the film and even after robert de niro defending the film

00:48:11.960 the pharmaceutical sponsor of tribeca the sloan foundation ended up pushing us out and there was

00:48:17.960 nothing robert de niro could do that censorship drove more curiosity and made vaxxed one of the

00:48:24.360 biggest movies on you know on vaccine risk around the world there's been bomb threats in theaters

00:48:30.280 around the world where vaxxed has tried to uh be screened so obviously there's something in this

00:48:35.960 movie that you know governments do not want you to see that the pharmaceutical industry do not want

00:48:41.560 you to see and that curiosity is driving and we're going to have the biggest sales this month and we've

00:48:47.080 had in the last three years since we we first you know toured with it so then then you would then

00:48:54.040 the argument on the other side would be then we're doing you a favor they are doing us a favor but

00:48:59.640 they're not doing the constitution a favor and they're not doing a favor for the future of america

00:49:05.240 i'm not worried about sales of my film that's not what this is about we are talking about

00:49:10.280 censorship we are talking about in this country right now we are taking away there's multiple states

00:49:16.920 there's a push by the federal government both the congressional hearing and the senate hearing

00:49:20.920 to take your right to choose what's injected into your children away we're seeing it in states

00:49:27.080 all across the country to take your ability to opt out of this vaccine program away let's take

00:49:32.840 vaccines out of discussion glenn we are talking about turning our children into government property

00:49:39.080 of the united states government meaning the government overrides your decision as a parent

00:49:44.520 they can inject your child with whatever they want whenever they want however they want

00:49:49.240 how when we look back at history in nazi germany and and in china how do we think that it would be 0.62

00:49:55.640 intelligent to give our government control of our bodies and by the way it's not going to end with

00:50:01.160 children there's a policy called healthy people 2020 uh that health and human services put together

00:50:06.760 which is a forced vaccination program for every adult in america so children are only the beginning

00:50:12.840 if we step onto this slippery slope we are talking about not controlling our bodies not having

00:50:19.240 the right to say i don't know what's in that shot you're about to give me i don't want it i don't

00:50:24.360 want my child to have it is it really outrageous or preposterous to think that we shouldn't have the

00:50:29.880 right to stop injections coming into our own bodies from a government agency when it comes to things and and

00:50:36.520 see this is where i i i may disagree with you on on vaccines but i am really torn and i'm in your favor when it

00:50:47.640 comes to choosing yourself but i am torn because we do have a social contract with each other for

00:50:55.640 things like polio i mean we we got rid of polio now it's coming back it's because people are saying i

00:51:02.680 don't want that well okay does that affect me and my children as well i mean i don't want to have leper

00:51:10.920 colonies where the people who don't have the vaccine have to go off and be in a leper colony i 1.00

00:51:17.160 also don't want a country where they're telling me i have to have this i mean i i have to have this rfid

00:51:25.880 chip put in me because it it makes for you know uh commerce and it makes uh makes them able to track me

00:51:33.960 it's for my safety you know they put this chip in now the doctor can monitor my heart and everything

00:51:40.280 else i don't want any of that stuff and you have a right to say no it is your body that's absolutely

00:51:47.320 right and i i just i want to correct one statement polio is not coming back you made that statement

00:51:52.760 there's no polio in america and the only cases of polio around the world right now are vaccine strain

00:51:58.680 polio they're being caused by the the vaccination program in third world countries those are the facts 1.00

00:52:03.960 this is the best of the glenn beck program

00:52:08.120 we are fortunate to once again have bernie sanders uh just uh stopping by uh hello glenn how how are you

00:52:25.560 very well i'm very strapping feeling virile young good energized by the campaign of the election

00:52:31.560 and the goodwill of the american people right now you just signed a loyalty uh i didn't pledge

00:52:36.280 which means that what i signed the loyalty pledge saying that in the unlikely event that i lose the

00:52:42.440 democratic primary yeah if i should lose the democratic primary i will not run as an independent

00:52:47.480 i will i will stay as a democrat and i've done that because i'm so confident that i will win and if

00:52:52.040 not i will win in the next election or the next one and i i have i have decided also to pledge to

00:52:57.400 keep running for president until at least 2072 all right well you're i don't know if you've noticed

00:53:03.160 this but you are getting up there in uh you're getting a little long in the tooth i my goal glenn

00:53:08.680 and i think the american people would agree with me my goal is to have the same age as all of the

00:53:13.880 other entrants to the presidential race combined and so i am rapidly approaching that and i believe

00:53:19.480 that will be peak burning okay so now you are actually ahead am i not am i mistaken i am winning

00:53:25.320 in the polls that's true i am in the polls right now of the people that have announced of the people

00:53:28.920 that are announced but one of the people that looks like he's going to announce and and is beating

00:53:33.720 you is uh joe biden joe biden yes joe biden uh joe biden is the embodiment the embodiment glenn of the

00:53:41.400 establishment of an establishment that props up the top one percent of the top one percent of the top one

00:53:46.360 percent also he has hair plugs and that man is corrupt except when he is running against a 0.61

00:53:50.440 republican in which case he is a valiant hero that i support and my good friend okay so he is your

00:53:54.920 good friend he is a he is a quantum friend right he is both a good friend right when he is running

00:53:59.960 against a republican but also a terrible person when running against democrats right okay quantum state

00:54:04.920 plan i'm capable of these things okay all right so uh and um and he's i mean he's getting up there in

00:54:11.480 in in years as well he no he is uh in in in my opinion he is uh wildly inexperienced and too young

00:54:18.680 to become president he he barely knows about football uh about about politics uh he's just you

00:54:25.080 know he's just going around spilling people's collarbones that's what he does he and he barely

00:54:29.960 knows about football i know glenn i'm actually uh in addition to running for president i'm writing a

00:54:34.440 book on football are you uh and i i i've told that you are not a huge football fan may i explain the game

00:54:39.160 to you uh sure i guess yeah so uh there is a a big field it's reminiscent of the work and toil of

00:54:46.840 the american agricultural sector done by good populists in the middle of the country and there

00:54:51.640 are two teams do you know who the two teams are glenn uh the two teams are the players and the owners

00:54:57.960 those are the teams there are two teams the players and the owners and all the people in the stands

00:55:02.360 that are being lied to by thieving monsters that own the teams and once i'm president they will get

00:55:07.560 their do i am telling you that right now well wait first of all that that team does is not on the

00:55:13.160 field no it's not on the field team it's a shadowy team it's a shadowy team that controls the things

00:55:18.440 and they've made it so it's a slanted field when you look at a football field you're like well that's

00:55:21.720 self-explanatory it's a putting green with white lines i get this right no it's a slanted field it's

00:55:26.520 a slick because you think i'm gonna kick the ball harder they'll give me more balls that's how football

00:55:29.960 works no you don't get more balls you kick as hard as you want the balls go to the rich people

00:55:33.640 and that's football all right i don't think that i mean i don't know anything about football but i

00:55:40.040 don't think that makes any sense at all that uh i i uh look it up look it up that is uh those are

00:55:45.160 the rules of football if you actually look into it all right okay well bernie it's uh i mean it's

00:55:51.640 it's been educational i thank you and and glenn on that note i would like to remind you that uh i i have

00:55:57.560 several policies that i think your listeners would get behind uh first and foremost i think everyone agrees

00:56:01.560 that medicare for all would be a very popular policy for everyone on earth uh and i i remain

00:56:06.200 dedicated to medicare for all for everyone on earth but on top of that i believe that uh education is

00:56:11.320 a priority in the united states it is not a luxury it is a right you have a right to education you have

00:56:15.640 a right to any education any time however much you want for however long you want and also i could go

00:56:21.640 in i could go into college today you could well glenn in your case you would you would have to go

00:56:25.880 into college today as i would have to go in yes i believe that uh college should be voluntary or obligatory

00:56:31.240 and i will uh in your case i i think that there are certain things you would like it would benefit

00:56:36.040 you to know them so wait a minute so so would i go to like harvard or yale or you know some place

00:56:41.880 like that or harvard and yale will be destroyed under my plan they are they are uh they are okay

00:56:46.920 pupa pupa engorged centers of breeding for the one percent no more of them no more of them everything's 0.95

00:56:52.280 community college everything will be divided so harvard will be eight community colleges and yes you

00:56:56.120 would be locked in one of those until you came to your senses okay wait a minute so it's like a

00:57:00.040 re-education it's not sort of yes you would be reading a lot of canes and uh and and you would

00:57:05.480 be forced to wear a shag wavera t-shirt okay all right okay bernie best of luck to you and i mean

00:57:10.840 thank you thank you the blaze radio network

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