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John Ziegler is the most unpopular man on the planet and yet he is always taking the contrarian view on controversial topics. On this episode of the show, John takes on the Michael J. Jackson case.
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people like you we do so much for you can you do one thing for us i mean that is all we're asking
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i think you have the story wrong here on this one crap uh we're gonna today we had a we it was a it
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was an interesting journey on the podcast today first we start with john ziegler who is the most
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unpopular man on the planet by his choice he he is always taking the contrarian uh view but we talked
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about michael jackson and we talked about r kelly with him uh and and then we brought pat into the
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conversation as well then also we started talking about story and feelings and facts and the reason
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why we're losing so many times conservatives even though we have the facts we don't have the story
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and i tried to show you with dan crenshaw what he said yesterday on the border that that is the way
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to tell a story you tell the story you get people emotionally attached and then you get the facts
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in there um and that kind of took us the rest of the show to kind of uh argue back and forth with uh
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with stew and i yeah it was it's an interesting way of looking at i think it you know kind of
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encapsulates the show but it also encapsulates the way for conservatives to communicate the things that
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they believe in the principles they believe in um without kind of getting rolled over by the media
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and by the left and i think you come up at the end with a really good formula of how to do this
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and something that can actually work yeah that's all on today's podcast
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you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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do you think he gets up in the morning and says how can i piss more people off
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it's possible it is possible michael jackson could be guilty as hell
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and hbo's leaving neverland would still be unfair those are the words of john ziegler welcome to the
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program john glenn i'm gonna put ever unpopular on my business card that's what you need that's what
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you need so john i actually um you know i know this this article when you read it you thought
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yeah you know everybody's going to disagree with me on this but we actually don't um we've watched this
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uh and i think and i in reading your your article i think you would agree most likely these guys are
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telling the truth most likely this guy uh michael jackson did this to these uh to these kids and
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many others but he's not around to defend himself and we're just presenting one side
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this is dangerous that's why i wrote the column uh however that that column was written a couple of
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days ago and um i'm not sure i would write the same column today because i'm quite sure that one of
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the two guys in that hbo quote-unquote documentary wade robeson is not telling the truth really yeah um
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and let me put it this way if he is telling the truth then we might as well throw away the entire
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judicial system because uh there is absolutely positively no way for an accused person to defend
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themselves uh because the wade robeson story is on on paper is a complete joke and i purposely went
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into watching the neverland uh movie i don't want to call it a documentary because it's ridiculously
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one-sided even if jackson is guilty let me just say i hate this subject glenn i hate being the person
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that has to stand up and say wait a minute but no one else wants to do this and and i mean you said
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ever unpopular that's even with my own wife i mean my wife is furious at me with um uh but i'm telling
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you the wade robeson story my my dog in this hunt is not michael jackson i don't care about michael
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jackson i care about the truth and i really really care about the rules we're creating for how we
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evaluate these kind of stories because that is radically changing in a very dangerous way and if the
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wade robeson story is allowed to stand then i seriously glenn i do not know how a rich famous
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person uh is able to defend themselves against any allegation because i have evaluated these kind of
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stories for years now and this one is the most inexplicable uh that i have ever seen why do you say
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that why do you say that well because in all seriousness again he could be telling the truth
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but if he is then on what basis would any story ever be discredited let me i mean i could talk to you
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for hours about this but let me just give you a couple of highlights i mean here's a guy who i'm
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forgetting about the fact that at 12 years old he testified in a civil complaint that jackson never
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did anything to him and he was the greatest thing ever i'm discounting that okay he's 12 years old
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and supposedly still being abused but at 22 years old as an adult celebrity okay people need to
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understand he's a celebrity this is a guy who who allegedly broke up britney spears and justin
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timberlake because he had an affair with britney spears now right there that's confidence folks that's
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that that is not consistent what with what we're told is a sex abuse victim this is a worldly guy
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at 22 in the midst of a massive criminal trial he is not just a witness for michael jackson he is
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michael jackson's first defense witness i know michael jackson's attorney tom mesero very well here in
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los angeles tom mesero is a brilliant guy he believes michael jackson is innocent i do not
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know if he is or not i'm i'm agnostic on that issue but as far as wade robeson there is no way in hell
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that tom mesero or michael jackson if he's a criminal mastermind is going to put wade robeson
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on the stand first in his criminal trial if he's abused him for seven years and and that uh tom mesero
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who has interviewed him vigorously his family vigorously is going to put him on the stand first
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this is this is the testimony which was vigorously defending uh jackson is is only one of a thousand
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data points that continue well after the trial and well after jackson's death that robeson was never
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abused after jackson dies robeson issues one of the most uh ebullient pro jackson statements i've ever
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heard anyone give he's the greatest human being that's ever lived he writes a chapter in a book
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eulogizing michael jackson he attends his funeral he and then it only shifts it only shifts immediately
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after when michael jackson is dead and ropes and loses out on the job to choreograph a circus soleil
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michael jackson show in las vegas and then he sues for millions of dollars he the first time he ever
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tells the story to anyone and in the course of that lawsuit the course of that lawsuit the discovery
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shows how he created his story and you don't even i in my column i i don't think i accurately describe
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how that lawsuit uh got adjudicated it got adjudicated because of statute of limitations
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concerns and that sounds like oh that you know there was nothing about the merit that's not really
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accurate what really happened is it was statute of limitations concern and then when he tried to
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figure out a loophole around the statute of limitations the judge determined that he blatantly
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perjured himself as proven by emails and threw out his entire testimony so now so wow i mean so if if this
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if this if wade robeson is to be believed and accepted within a documentary with zero pushback i mean
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zero skeptical questioning zero if informing the audience in the first hour of some of these basic
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facts then i really honestly glenn i do not know how anyone years later can possibly defend themselves
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and again i don't care about michael jackson and i hate this subject but come on people this was
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told and when we when you see interviews with this director dan reed i have never seen anyone as invested
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uh in a storyline uh without facts than this guy's uh so i mean look could wade robeson be telling
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the truth i guess so i guess jesse smollett and christine ford could too i i mean because i mean
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frankly uh i i that his story uh makes christine ford and jesse smollett look like george washington
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and abraham lincoln uh and that's how that's how bad it is i mean it's really it is really it's the
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worst i've ever seen wow what about the other guy now james uh shave chuck is a different
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breed of story um and i will fully acknowledge by the way both of them are very good they're very
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compelling it's disgusting it's horrific uh it's important to point out that no one seems to want
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to acknowledge these are two guys who have been entertainers since they were kids they've been
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performers so can we at least consider the possibility that in the jesse smollett era that
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they could be just telling the story that is certainly possible uh but it's much more difficult
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to to destroy uh safe chuck's story because he didn't do nearly the same number of things however
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he did testify on behalf of jackson in a civil complaint he did uh file apparently a deposition
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saying or not i mean an affidavit saying he was not uh abused he did not testify at jackson's trial
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he was about 27 years old at that time but he also didn't testify against him and he never told
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anybody about this until after jackson was dead about the actual allegations so there you know when you
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compare it to wade robeson it's not nearly as easily uh questionable um and i and i will fully agree
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that they're telling the story in neverland leaving neverland is is incredibly compelling
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and that's clearly why hbo and the director decide to go with it but shouldn't there be more than that
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i mean really shouldn't there be more than that against the man who is dead a man who was not
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convicted in court a man who was never even found liable in a civil case i mean to me the threshold
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ought to be much higher ground under those circumstances this documentary would have been fine if michael
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jackson had been convicted and confessed but that didn't happen or if he was still alive to defend
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himself that's not the case because of those circumstances i do not believe never leaving
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neverland ever should have even aired on hbo and i and i think it's an abomination from a documentary
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standpoint well it's not a documentary um a documentary is it should present both sides so you have some
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sort of idea i mean it is it is an anti-michael jackson uh uh movie um and there's no ifs ands
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or buts they do not ever give anyone a chance to say the the other side at all can i give you an
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example of that with wade robeson and i didn't know this until after it aired wade robeson during the
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time of the alleged allegations that he makes against michael jackson which go until he's 14 years old
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was dating someone he was dating a woman for eight years during his entire teenage years
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that person was michael jackson's niece brandy who is incredibly credible intelligent i've seen
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interviews with her she knows he's lying knows it now how how does that make any damn sense
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that for eight years he's he's dating a girl who's michael jackson's niece who who was there with
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him the whole time who was having sex with him um who knows him better than anybody during this
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exact period of time and they don't even interview her don't you think she might have some information
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glenn i mean that's that's not a documentary as you said that's a hit job and again we should all
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care about this not because of michael jackson and i don't want to be i hate being seen as as being
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you know defending supposed pedophiles or michael jackson in particular i despise it we should care
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about the truth and these rules these new rules are so incredibly dangerous well i want to i want
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to ask you to hold on here i'm gonna break for a minute and then we'll come right back and i want
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to change this to r kelly and this uh and and and and even jeffrey epstein here's a guy who clearly
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uh on the surface has been doing some really bad stuff he gets a sweetheart deal in florida because
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he's really connected uh and now maybe there's a chance that he is going to be looked into because
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of a social media push the same thing with r kelly it's a social media push is this good or bad so john
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here's the here's the the thing i think that makes people believe some of this is these big settlements
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and you know you settle at a court and quite honestly that used to be the thing to do because
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it just isn't worth it companies do this all the time they settle that's not necessarily an
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admission of guilt and so people think that the rich can get away with anything um and and and you
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look at jeffrey uh what is it epstein or epstein epstein epstein uh you look at jeffrey epstein
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here's a guy who had uh dozens they say dozens of uh of girls testifying are willing to testify
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that he had sex with them at underage he cuts a sweetheart deal he gets off with nothing and it's
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because he's well connected the average guy would not have the same kind of system acting this way
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with them 100 true based upon what i know of that story i would agree with that a thousand percent
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but what the weird part is because he's not a celebrity he's just you're actually advantaged
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being a celebrity i think makes you far more vulnerable than and being rich of course gives
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you huge advantage uh i mean i i have always believed there i you know i covered the michael jackson
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trial as a radio talk show host here in los angeles and and before the trial i presume jackson was guilty
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as hell because of the payoffs the trial actually produced very limited evidence which is why i
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think he was correctly acquitted that doesn't mean he's innocent that means that they didn't prove it
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beyond a reasonable doubt but he was very very vulnerable largely because of his celebrity and
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his money and a payoff to him let's be fair isn't the same as a payoff well my maybe to you but not to
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me uh because obviously he was super rich at the time and so uh that's all that needs to be taken
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into consideration now the r kelly situation i find fascinating because uh to me what r kelly
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do it was doing was taking the brett kavanaugh strategy and like multiplying it times a thousand
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which is you know you got to show you're fighting back as much as possible and at least some people
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will believe you i don't believe r kelly but i think it's his strategy is interesting that he took
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in that interview with cbs so now you you you have the same kind of situation with r kelly
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as michael jackson where he says you know hey look i already beat this rap once you can't tie me into
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that i i was cleared of that well that's not really true and plus there's there's another problem for
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r kelly there's videotape in this case well i mean okay that little detail yeah um and and you know
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again i i've i've watched uh you know enough shows on r kelly to know that there's the evidence is far
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stronger based on what we currently know uh than it is against michael jackson um but but i mean did you
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believe his his reaction in that cbs interview i mean no that felt like acting no yeah it did no i
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didn't i didn't buy it at all but uh you know what does that mean i am having to judge somebody's
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you know acting ability but no but but here's why that's important plan and and and i you know um
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i think this is really important going back to this issue of the rules we're creating
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let's pretend for a second that r kelly is somehow maybe not guilty i'm not saying that i'm just putting
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that out as a theory right how is he supposed to defend himself and i i really truly do believe
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that brett kavanaugh has has carved out the last path for someone who actually is innocent
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to defend themselves donald trump wouldn't have stuck by brett kavanaugh if he hadn't uh fiercely
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attacked the story or in his testimony in front of the the senate i mean that would i mean and so
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that's your only option and what i found interesting was of course that many people on uh social media
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that i saw news reporters were saying well you know kelly proved himself to be an abuser because he was
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abusing uh his interviewer who was female female okay fine well then just tell me just please that's
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all i've ever really asked is tell me what the rules are how is an innocent person in this kind
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of situation supposed to defend themselves how are they supposed to act because frankly i think me too
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has taken away all of the avenues i don't know what you're supposed to do even if you are innocent i
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think that's a great point john i would love to see a moment like this on you know a cable news
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broadcast when they're talking about this where someone says to the host hey have you ever had an
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intern that you didn't abuse in your life okay just of course and of course they're going to say
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yes to that tell me if if that intern came on tv right now and said that you abused them what would
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you say to defend yourself what would you say what excuse could you possibly come up with you can't
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prove where you were every second of every day you don't have video of yourself every second of every
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day and if we're just supposed to believe the accuser there is no path to defend yourself even if you
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were completely innocent that's not you know you know conviction by documentary and podcast is a
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really dangerous road to go down amen stew and again i just want to know what the rules are and i
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also would like those rules to be semi-rational and and and is that asking is that asking too much
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because we're way we are way beyond that now and i don't see how we go back i thought jesse
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smollett might at least tap the brakes but it clearly did not no and i and i we're going to
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talk next hour about how it's even getting worse now with facebook and and youtube and and everything
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else i would love to see you look into the jeffrey epstein case uh and really do uh some investigating
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on that if you do let me know john and we'll find captain we uh we follow you uh as as well
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hello pat oh i came on the wrong day yeah yeah yeah uh so you just heard uh john ziegler who is
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i think he gets up every day and is like how could i be more unpopular uh and i take the opposite
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point of view on today right and he said i i i'm not defending michael jackson i have a problem with
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this hbo documentary that really didn't address the other side although it did it kind of did a little
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bit he didn't spend a lot of time with it but both of them admitted lying under oath uh they showed a
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lot of the clips of these of people who are taking them apart online they did sort of cover the other
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side of it i mean they didn't do it extensively and it happened towards the hat they tipped their hat
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yes uh i also i i disagree with with ziggler on a couple of things i you know robson explained pretty
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much everything that ziggler talked about he he went on to yeah a lot of fame and fortune with
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nsync and britney spears and i don't know that the fact that he had his way with britney spears
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proves that he was totally together because you know this would be a signal that you're not together
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you're breaking up somebody else's marriage right it's the kevin fetterlein law i believe plus as both
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of them said neither one of them considered it abuse at the time but when they were when they
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were in the relationship they didn't consider it abuse and then in their teenage years they hadn't
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really worked through it yet yeah and when you're when you are suffering through things um sometimes you
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pour yourself into work and you become successful in spite that happens a lot right it's happened it
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happened with me yeah i mean that's what i that's what drove me was just concentrate on this just
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concentrate on this concentrate on this um you would agree to though to the idea just generally speaking
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about you know there's there's a disturbing trend of you know you get enough retweets and the person's
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guilty absolutely and that is a yes and i will admit i kind of fell into that trap on this documentary
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because i don't i don't know that michael jackson 100 is guilty i but i'm about 99.5 believe in it
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yeah and and i probably shouldn't but there is some evidence you know he openly slept with young boys
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openly over and over and over what really hurts him is you know i had an amusement park i openly slept
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with uh young boys and oh by the way i had pornos and uh and their fingerprints and the kids
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fingerprints are on it that's that's a bad sign in my closet and that's but that's all oh that has
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nothing to do with the documentary right yeah yeah those are old things but it does bring it back to
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the top of your mind a little bit jordy i'd forgotten about some of that evidence jordy
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chandler also drew you know yeah the evidence of his man unit uh and it was the exact same markings
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that the photographs had uh how did that happen is he psychic just luck maybe jordy well he lucked out
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it looked like abraham lincoln and so so he lucked out sometimes when i go to the airport i just guess
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set my qr code and draw one yeah and it comes out right i get on the right flight right yeah yeah
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i'm sure it happens yeah so it does seem like there's a lot there on that one and i think that's
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been that's the in a way that's what makes me makes me more scared of this is because i think most of
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these early examples that we could have bill cosby uh harvey weinstein uh michael jackson r kelly
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there's so much against him and there's legitimate evidence outside of just a documentary that shows
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you know like it looks pretty bad and obviously cosby and epstein both uh you know either pled
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guilty or convicted um but it's almost worse that it starts that way because at some point we're just
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going to start believing this is an okay way to make these decisions i think we're almost there already
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isn't this just the institutionalization of sololinsky tactics i mean look what they did to
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me okay you and i both know there was a book that came out said that i multiple yeah multiple books
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said one said that i killed a girl raped and killed her uh one said that i went to jail in the 19 what 80s
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or 90s uh driving your delorean drunk and i was so drunk i was always late for work and one day
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i think pat had to go bail me out or whatever it was uh what was the other one they're just
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horrible horrible things absolutely untrue published published and what do you do right
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so what am i do i could have sued him but that would have made that book sell more than five copies
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which i think it sold about three and the author bought those three um and so they're already doing
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this look at what they did uh at fox now i helped by saying things like you know barack obama i think
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he has a problem with race well i do believe that however that was just handing them something easy
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to take and turn into something ugly plus who knew that when you accuse somebody of racism it makes you
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a racist never before in history no that that was at that time that's amazing that was new i can't think
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you have any examples and it doesn't apply anymore it was just for a short time only for a limited time
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only that was your special offer right now you can now you can accuse the president of being a racist
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and it's not a problem it's actually you're getting trouble if you don't accuse him of a
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being a racist you seriously you're now a racist if you don't accuse the president of being a racist
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that's a hell of a turn it is so i'll probably learn that right as this one exits and i'll be like
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you know what i think he is a racist and then the next guy will be in and you'll be like wait
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wait we flip back again i don't know what to do but yeah you you're a target and uh this happens i
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mean look it happens to a lot of people who go who are celebrities or well known i mean this is not
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new i think there's there's an evidence a level of evidence now that is so low it's like almost like
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if someone spends a lot of time yeah yeah i mean it goes the other way too like i mean making a
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murderer and serial are two documentaries or podcasts that are saying basically this person's
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not guilty you should believe that he's not guilty and it may be true uh but again it's a
00:26:44.800
relatively one-sided case this is what documentaries are people leave things out they say things that
00:26:50.480
aren't true and now you know there's a whole movement of people who want these people out of
00:26:55.780
prison or they want other people in prison and again like that is why we have a freaking legal
00:27:02.380
system when it doesn't work it's good that people shine light uh shine light on and i think that's
00:27:06.540
positive yeah but it's it's still we have to back up and say wait a minute there has to be this
00:27:12.840
additional process that has to be that occurs in inside our legal you know uh construct it if you
00:27:18.680
don't have that it's not real and we can all sit here and say well we think r kelly is guilty and
00:27:22.760
you know it's that's my impression as well but are you going to take his livelihood away are you
00:27:30.740
going to ban him you shouldn't think of that not based on allegations that's exactly what the left
00:27:37.520
has done now to anyone who disagrees with them if you if you supported um you know traditional marriage
00:27:45.540
10 years ago you're running a company doesn't matter what they'll destroy you they will destroy you
00:27:51.860
and you won't be able to make money the same thing you you have you have a contrary opinion we have
00:27:58.940
somebody on who i disagree with i i am not i'm i'm pro vaccination but here's a guy who made a movie
00:28:07.440
about the facts on vaccination as he understands them he is being banned now he's been dropped by uh
00:28:17.120
amazon and youtube and is he saying vaccines are dangerous yes still yes okay so i don't agree with
00:28:24.900
that i don't want to hold this guy up or this movie up and say hey everybody should watch this i think
00:28:29.460
this is true i i don't i don't but he should have the right to say it they're not doing that to jim
00:28:36.200
carey who was on that bandwagon for years with jenny mccarthy jenny mccarthy rfk and he still has a
00:28:41.940
career so if you're on the on the left here you're usually insulated is this guy right wing no i don't
00:28:47.600
know i don't know i don't know anything about him i i just know this that people are their lives are
00:28:54.500
being destroyed without a court of law and i don't think you should ban music based on allegations
00:28:59.900
like should should michael jackson's music be pulled off the air in new zealand and wherever
00:29:05.280
else they're doing this no no no unfortunately i haven't seen much of that happening in america yet
00:29:10.380
i know it did it with r kelly yes with r kelly yeah but not michael jackson i've not seen it yet
00:29:14.720
with michael jackson although that's you know we're i mean it's a lot easier to take r kelly's music off
00:29:19.260
the air it's one song right i believe i can fly oh no can we exist without that song it'll be tough
00:29:25.920
r kelly has a has sold a lot a lot i know he has he has i know he has he's made i mean he lives
00:29:33.000
quite the high life apparently he does and he's bought some women and so you got to have some money
00:29:37.320
to do that right well when you say bought women well he says their parents sold him to him sold the two
00:29:46.480
girls to him um so this is this is quite a run though so it's bought really it's just an exchange
00:29:54.860
uh okay so uh 1993 album six times platinum next one really next one five times platinum next one
00:30:03.520
eight times platinum next one four times platinum again platinum then two times platinum then three
00:30:08.720
times platinum again platinum another platinum another platinum that's impressive that is a run
00:30:13.560
there yeah that is i mean look at this is chart position for his albums two one two one two one
00:30:20.320
one one four six five four i mean that is a hell of a run that's from 1993 to 2013 it's a 20-year run
00:30:27.860
wow you know again uh we may not be the target demographic you think i think no you think but
00:30:35.540
that's a hell of a i'm not a 13 year old black girl but yeah so i may not be the target although i read
00:30:42.920
in a book you killed one which is incredible well i raped and killed oh yeah that's right i forgot
00:30:49.580
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00:31:01.520
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00:31:17.060
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00:31:19.720
so stew state your case again on on facts and i'm in complete agreement with you
00:31:25.500
i just think maybe we disagree perhaps on nuance yeah my basic uh thesis here
00:31:33.660
is that we blame a lot of things for the problems we have in our society things like you know different
00:31:39.660
ideologies uh you know uh people who uh maybe don't have enough information people who uh you know
00:31:46.940
have human characteristics uh that are flawed in some way but the one we don't give enough blame to
00:31:52.700
our feelings we don't give enough blame to the idea that emotion and feelings consistently
00:31:59.360
overwhelm actual facts in our society it's one of the reasons i became a conservative a very long
00:32:05.240
time ago is because i love the idea that conservatives were the ones who prioritize facts over emotion
00:32:12.280
and that played out for a very long time i think it still does play out to some extent but just the
00:32:19.420
human species is so overwhelmed by emotion and one of the reasons if you look if you read uh thinking fast
00:32:24.920
and slow um it's it talks about basically two types uh two things that are going on in your brain one is
00:32:31.000
this immediate action right so if someone's running at you with a knife you don't you don't sit there
00:32:36.140
and think and contemplate what is that person's motivations they don't seem like they're very happy with
00:32:40.880
me is that a real knife what are they doing and then you get stabbed uh you have the
00:32:44.780
thinking fast part of your brain that immediately reacts without thinking at all does not it just
00:32:50.220
goes fight or flight you know get out of there and then you have the other side in places like
00:32:56.080
policy and the way you design a country and individual rights and you know adhering to the
00:33:02.420
constitution all of those things are all supposed to be exclusively slow slow that second part of your
00:33:09.640
brain that's taking the time to contemplate all the the positives and negatives the rational
00:33:13.760
arguments and we use the other side of our brain that emotional uh passionate side which is great
00:33:20.080
for some things it's great for family it's great for uh it's great for movies it's great it's why
00:33:25.640
music people care about music right i mean it's because that that part of you is real and it's great in
00:33:31.500
those moments it was designed for those moments where you might die in the you know you're a caveman
00:33:36.400
you've got a club do i hit the saber-toothed tiger with the club or not that's what it's designed for
00:33:42.340
all right so it the problem is um and i agree with everything you just said um the problem is
00:33:47.860
is that it's not the blame is not on thinking fast or thinking slow that's neither one of those are the
00:33:56.380
problem or the cure the problem is we're not doing both it's it's you know um a bird can't fly with
00:34:07.560
only one wing um i don't want to live in a world without any liberals because art and everything
00:34:16.260
else will really suck really really suck music will suck television and movies will suck okay i don't
00:34:25.480
want to live in that but i also don't want to live in a world i always bring this back to a theater
00:34:30.720
i want all the liberals on stage because you're going to do a show and it's going to be great and it's
00:34:35.880
going to be wonderful we're going to pack the house every night and everybody's going to love it
00:34:39.060
and you'll piss some people off but it'll generally be great however get away from the box office
00:34:47.300
because if you get into the accounting in the box office we're going to be broke i want all the
00:34:53.320
conservatives all the slow thinkers i want them in the front of the house you're back of the house
00:34:58.880
okay we need each other and to be clear because of the title of that book it comes off as strange
00:35:04.740
slow thinkers doesn't mean they're slow yeah yeah it means that you take your time and consider
00:35:09.640
well let me give you let me give you an example of how it works in reverse okay everybody thinks
00:35:15.720
that the atomic bomb how this is sold to us is that we just bombed japan japan because we had this bomb
00:35:24.580
and we couldn't wait to use it and we just dropped it on them because well they're yellow mongrels and so
00:35:31.900
we gotta kill them all right that was that was the theory of the time in some of the propaganda we've
00:35:37.860
played it before yes yes however that's the exact opposite of the people who designed the bomb the
00:35:45.460
bomb was designed with very slow thinking and as they got closer and closer to perfection of the bomb
00:35:53.500
they all thought i don't know if we should do this and so they went to the president and they said
00:35:59.780
i don't think we should do this and they slowed thinking down even more and said let's count the
00:36:07.920
number of people that we think will die if we don't use the bomb and the number of people that will die
00:36:15.400
if we do use the bomb and let's not just count our side let's call let's count the japanese as well
00:36:21.780
that's how that decision was made it was not like we got a new bomb let's kill those yellow bastards
00:36:29.300
we didn't do that we didn't do that we knew what we had and we used slow thinking but they're accusing
00:36:38.320
us of only using fast thinking okay now the left loves fast thinking because fast thinking gets them
00:36:48.260
everywhere yeah because the facts are not on their side and they want the fast thinking a perfect
00:36:53.220
example of this and you'll recognize it immediately after every mass shooting what do they do guns
00:36:58.600
guns guns guns guns guns and immediately why because if you're thinking slow and i and again that means
00:37:06.140
over a long period of time where you you think out every option and what these things mean
00:37:10.660
you come to the conclusion well you look at the stats the violence is dropping these are very rare
00:37:15.620
incidents there's all the arguments that you hear on talk radio in the weeks after a mass shooting
00:37:20.820
those are arguments that are not emotional they're they're based on fact when and this is why there's
00:37:27.760
you hear this every other time one year anniversary of x shooting you know i just we thought we were
00:37:34.620
going to get this done this time and nothing happened it's like well no you thought you were to get this
00:37:39.140
done because you want to heighten the emotion of the incident you want people's emotion to overwhelm
00:37:44.360
their factual thinking and then you can get your thing done and once it's done it's in place and
00:37:49.580
you're and you're and you're done with the problem okay i want i want to explain this really simply in
00:37:54.740
a different way and then we're going to take a one minute break and i'm going to come back and i'm
00:37:58.360
going to show you it in action okay if you want to win if you want to change the the um the game
00:38:05.480
you have to change the way we present ourselves all right i want you to think of that theater
00:38:13.220
idea that i just gave you that all the liberals are on the stage doing a great show okay and and we
00:38:19.920
know that we know that generally speaking arts and entertainment generally lean left okay there's
00:38:27.080
there's something i don't know what it is but that's what happens in touch with their emotions
00:38:31.320
correct and generally speaking uh mathematics and and business people lean right again generally
00:38:40.360
speaking so we know that the left is attracted to emotion the right is attracted to facts fast thinking
00:38:51.540
on the stage back of house slow thinking we also know for a theater to work it has to have both
00:39:00.380
so we need each other but what are we doing what we're doing is the left will say here's a problem
00:39:10.200
and immediately fast thinking we have to help them we have to help them we have to do whatever we
00:39:16.800
can to help them help them help them help them then they usually skip over the math you're hearing
00:39:25.380
this now with the new green deal where they'll say well it doesn't matter does it matter how much
00:39:30.260
it costs well yes it does yes it does it's just a benefit analysis not a cost benefit right we we
00:39:36.600
have to know what it's going to cost because we need to know is that the best use of our money and
00:39:43.960
our resources to help that problem or are there are there other problems that we can really impact for
00:39:51.360
the same amount of money and is there any other way we can help those people without some big
00:39:57.600
government program so once you do the math remember front of the house the stage they're
00:40:05.020
telling you the story and everybody's saying we got to help them which is good and natural
00:40:10.240
then they will tell you don't pay attention to the people you know in the front of the house because
00:40:17.640
they're just evil money grubbers and they don't really care about what we care here on the stage
00:40:21.960
and so they convince people not to do the math if the people if the audience does the math you have
00:40:29.880
a moral case against socialism you have a moral case against what they're preaching on the stage
00:40:37.700
and it kind of feels bad now let me reverse it let's say uh you're standing in the lobby the show
00:40:47.780
hasn't started yet and you find out about some big crisis the the bean counters the right they're
00:40:55.240
going to say you know what we got a real problem here look at the numbers look at the numbers my gosh
00:41:00.260
the numbers are showing us that well what we're doing right now is going to eventually go into this
00:41:05.180
direction and it's just going to crash and we really shouldn't help without really engaging on the
00:41:11.000
emotional level and so everybody's like i don't care what what are they even talking about i don't
00:41:17.600
care then they go into the theater and they hear the emotional plea and they say that makes me feel
00:41:25.740
good i want to help these bean counters they're heartless but if you if you order it correctly
00:41:34.540
where you talk about the heart and the emotion then you do the math then you have a moral case for
00:41:43.540
capitalism not the only case you can make on socialism is a feeling case of socialism a moral case we say an
00:41:57.160
economic case no a moral case for capitalism and let me show you this in action and how we should be arguing
00:42:05.840
you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
00:42:13.540
today we've been talking about uh fast thinking and slow thinking the fast thinking is the emotional
00:42:30.620
we got to do something and and that is normal and it is valuable really valuable you know when people
00:42:39.720
get into the normalcy bias they die the people who tried to make an airplane flying into the world
00:42:47.620
trade center into something normal which is also normal it's called the normalcy bias those people
00:42:54.600
who said you know what i've got to first go turn off the lights in my office they died the people who
00:43:00.420
reacted normally not necessarily rationally normally saying we got to get out of here they lived
00:43:08.820
so fast thinking is really important but slow thinking looking at the facts has to be coupled
00:43:18.320
with it like i said you know if all the liberals are doing the show on stage which they're best at
00:43:24.140
and the theater is being run by a bunch of bean counters who are slow thinkers who are generally on
00:43:29.300
the right that's important we need each other we have to have each other otherwise we're going to have
00:43:34.740
great shows and no money or lots of money and no shows so we need each other fast thinking and slow
00:43:42.600
thinking must be coupled slow thinking requires differing opinions and i i want to talk to you about
00:43:53.660
something i want to talk to you here about vaccinations but i do not want to get into the vaccination
00:43:59.920
thing i am a big believer in vaccinations a lot of people aren't fine that's a difference in opinion
00:44:07.420
but we have entered a place adam schiff has come out and said that he believes that we should
00:44:14.160
silence the government google youtube facebook um and all of these all of amazon should um restrict
00:44:24.620
anti-vaxxers if you will any information that does not fall into line with what the government studies
00:44:31.740
show on vaccinations that's extremely dangerous one of the guys who has uh put together a uh uh a a
00:44:43.360
documentary called um vaxxed is del big tree he's one of the preeminent voices of the vaccine risk
00:44:51.980
awareness movement all around the world he's a founder of the non-profit uh the informed consent
00:44:57.560
action network uh and he is one of the first to be banned welcome to the program del thank you very
00:45:04.680
much glenn thank you for having me and thank you for discussing this very important issue yeah and i i
00:45:10.240
want to talk to you del about what happens i mean first of all what you were told and how this is
00:45:16.940
impacting you and the voices of of reasonable people and forget it even unreasonable people
00:45:23.680
um just affecting the voices of anybody who believes differently than the federal government
00:45:30.320
well we've seen this throughout history i mean every time you know a government really begins to fail it
00:45:36.460
starts to use coercion and then bullying then ultimately i believe this is book burning this is
00:45:41.280
a fear that the information that is against the perspective of the government if it's out there
00:45:47.120
it's dangerous uh and oftentimes we look out you know through history governments start seeing
00:45:52.680
themselves as the victim against um you know other information or in my case i would say truth
00:45:59.840
you know i made a documentary about a whistleblower at the cdc that came forward and said
00:46:05.220
that they had committed scientific fraud on the mmr autism study and that they knew
00:46:10.620
that vaccine the mmr vaccine could be causally linked to autism in that study and they covered
00:46:16.540
it up and hid it from the people it wasn't my opinion i'm a document you know i made a documentary
00:46:21.500
i put people in front of a camera i let them speak their truth dr william thompson still works the cdc
00:46:27.820
he is still protected by whistleblower status so how is it that that is misinformation which is what
00:46:34.640
this is being called so yes censorship at amazon they pulled all you know we were on amazon prime
00:46:40.280
anybody could watch it you could stream it and now it's been pulled and you know i think that
00:46:45.560
that's a dangerous step when the government starts getting involved look we know amazon
00:46:49.320
is a private company they can do what they want but when government officials start pressuring private
00:46:55.880
companies and industries to do their bidding or to censor people then you're moving into a very
00:47:03.320
very dangerous place i mean it may not be dangerous in china or iran but here in america where we're
00:47:09.160
supposed to have freedom of speech that is shocking and terrifying so delvin what are you going to
00:47:15.720
do about this what is your recourse well my recourse is to continue doing what i've been doing for the
00:47:22.040
last three years which is continuing to investigate our government our health agencies to i've won two
00:47:28.520
lawsuits against the health agency of america i've won a lawsuit against the national institute of health
00:47:33.240
i won a lawsuit against health and human services proving that they are not doing the safety research
00:47:39.800
demanded by the laws of this country when it comes to vaccines also just so you know i think
00:47:46.120
that the dvd sales of backs have gone through the roof we're rating higher than we ever have because
00:47:51.960
people in america and around the world still have blood pumping through their veins and when they're told
00:47:57.800
they can't look at something they become curious and this is what happened with the film in the
00:48:02.200
beginning we got kicked out of tribeca film festival after having been accepted and then
00:48:06.840
robert de niro came out and defended the film and even after robert de niro defending the film
00:48:11.960
the pharmaceutical sponsor of tribeca the sloan foundation ended up pushing us out and there was
00:48:17.960
nothing robert de niro could do that censorship drove more curiosity and made vaxxed one of the
00:48:24.360
biggest movies on you know on vaccine risk around the world there's been bomb threats in theaters
00:48:30.280
around the world where vaxxed has tried to uh be screened so obviously there's something in this
00:48:35.960
movie that you know governments do not want you to see that the pharmaceutical industry do not want
00:48:41.560
you to see and that curiosity is driving and we're going to have the biggest sales this month and we've
00:48:47.080
had in the last three years since we we first you know toured with it so then then you would then
00:48:54.040
the argument on the other side would be then we're doing you a favor they are doing us a favor but
00:48:59.640
they're not doing the constitution a favor and they're not doing a favor for the future of america
00:49:05.240
i'm not worried about sales of my film that's not what this is about we are talking about
00:49:10.280
censorship we are talking about in this country right now we are taking away there's multiple states
00:49:16.920
there's a push by the federal government both the congressional hearing and the senate hearing
00:49:20.920
to take your right to choose what's injected into your children away we're seeing it in states
00:49:27.080
all across the country to take your ability to opt out of this vaccine program away let's take
00:49:32.840
vaccines out of discussion glenn we are talking about turning our children into government property
00:49:39.080
of the united states government meaning the government overrides your decision as a parent
00:49:44.520
they can inject your child with whatever they want whenever they want however they want
00:49:49.240
how when we look back at history in nazi germany and and in china how do we think that it would be
00:49:55.640
intelligent to give our government control of our bodies and by the way it's not going to end with
00:50:01.160
children there's a policy called healthy people 2020 uh that health and human services put together
00:50:06.760
which is a forced vaccination program for every adult in america so children are only the beginning
00:50:12.840
if we step onto this slippery slope we are talking about not controlling our bodies not having
00:50:19.240
the right to say i don't know what's in that shot you're about to give me i don't want it i don't
00:50:24.360
want my child to have it is it really outrageous or preposterous to think that we shouldn't have the
00:50:29.880
right to stop injections coming into our own bodies from a government agency when it comes to things and and
00:50:36.520
see this is where i i i may disagree with you on on vaccines but i am really torn and i'm in your favor when it
00:50:47.640
comes to choosing yourself but i am torn because we do have a social contract with each other for
00:50:55.640
things like polio i mean we we got rid of polio now it's coming back it's because people are saying i
00:51:02.680
don't want that well okay does that affect me and my children as well i mean i don't want to have leper
00:51:10.920
colonies where the people who don't have the vaccine have to go off and be in a leper colony i
00:51:17.160
also don't want a country where they're telling me i have to have this i mean i i have to have this rfid
00:51:25.880
chip put in me because it it makes for you know uh commerce and it makes uh makes them able to track me
00:51:33.960
it's for my safety you know they put this chip in now the doctor can monitor my heart and everything
00:51:40.280
else i don't want any of that stuff and you have a right to say no it is your body that's absolutely
00:51:47.320
right and i i just i want to correct one statement polio is not coming back you made that statement
00:51:52.760
there's no polio in america and the only cases of polio around the world right now are vaccine strain
00:51:58.680
polio they're being caused by the the vaccination program in third world countries those are the facts
00:52:08.120
we are fortunate to once again have bernie sanders uh just uh stopping by uh hello glenn how how are you
00:52:25.560
very well i'm very strapping feeling virile young good energized by the campaign of the election
00:52:31.560
and the goodwill of the american people right now you just signed a loyalty uh i didn't pledge
00:52:36.280
which means that what i signed the loyalty pledge saying that in the unlikely event that i lose the
00:52:42.440
democratic primary yeah if i should lose the democratic primary i will not run as an independent
00:52:47.480
i will i will stay as a democrat and i've done that because i'm so confident that i will win and if
00:52:52.040
not i will win in the next election or the next one and i i have i have decided also to pledge to
00:52:57.400
keep running for president until at least 2072 all right well you're i don't know if you've noticed
00:53:03.160
this but you are getting up there in uh you're getting a little long in the tooth i my goal glenn
00:53:08.680
and i think the american people would agree with me my goal is to have the same age as all of the
00:53:13.880
other entrants to the presidential race combined and so i am rapidly approaching that and i believe
00:53:19.480
that will be peak burning okay so now you are actually ahead am i not am i mistaken i am winning
00:53:25.320
in the polls that's true i am in the polls right now of the people that have announced of the people
00:53:28.920
that are announced but one of the people that looks like he's going to announce and and is beating
00:53:33.720
you is uh joe biden joe biden yes joe biden uh joe biden is the embodiment the embodiment glenn of the
00:53:41.400
establishment of an establishment that props up the top one percent of the top one percent of the top one
00:53:46.360
percent also he has hair plugs and that man is corrupt except when he is running against a
00:53:50.440
republican in which case he is a valiant hero that i support and my good friend okay so he is your
00:53:54.920
good friend he is a he is a quantum friend right he is both a good friend right when he is running
00:53:59.960
against a republican but also a terrible person when running against democrats right okay quantum state
00:54:04.920
plan i'm capable of these things okay all right so uh and um and he's i mean he's getting up there in
00:54:11.480
in in years as well he no he is uh in in in my opinion he is uh wildly inexperienced and too young
00:54:18.680
to become president he he barely knows about football uh about about politics uh he's just you
00:54:25.080
know he's just going around spilling people's collarbones that's what he does he and he barely
00:54:29.960
knows about football i know glenn i'm actually uh in addition to running for president i'm writing a
00:54:34.440
book on football are you uh and i i i've told that you are not a huge football fan may i explain the game
00:54:39.160
to you uh sure i guess yeah so uh there is a a big field it's reminiscent of the work and toil of
00:54:46.840
the american agricultural sector done by good populists in the middle of the country and there
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are two teams do you know who the two teams are glenn uh the two teams are the players and the owners
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those are the teams there are two teams the players and the owners and all the people in the stands
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that are being lied to by thieving monsters that own the teams and once i'm president they will get
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their do i am telling you that right now well wait first of all that that team does is not on the
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field no it's not on the field team it's a shadowy team it's a shadowy team that controls the things
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and they've made it so it's a slanted field when you look at a football field you're like well that's
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self-explanatory it's a putting green with white lines i get this right no it's a slanted field it's
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a slick because you think i'm gonna kick the ball harder they'll give me more balls that's how football
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works no you don't get more balls you kick as hard as you want the balls go to the rich people
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and that's football all right i don't think that i mean i don't know anything about football but i
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don't think that makes any sense at all that uh i i uh look it up look it up that is uh those are
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the rules of football if you actually look into it all right okay well bernie it's uh i mean it's
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it's been educational i thank you and and glenn on that note i would like to remind you that uh i i have
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several policies that i think your listeners would get behind uh first and foremost i think everyone agrees
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that medicare for all would be a very popular policy for everyone on earth uh and i i remain
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dedicated to medicare for all for everyone on earth but on top of that i believe that uh education is
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a priority in the united states it is not a luxury it is a right you have a right to education you have
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a right to any education any time however much you want for however long you want and also i could go
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in i could go into college today you could well glenn in your case you would you would have to go
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into college today as i would have to go in yes i believe that uh college should be voluntary or obligatory
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and i will uh in your case i i think that there are certain things you would like it would benefit
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you to know them so wait a minute so so would i go to like harvard or yale or you know some place
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like that or harvard and yale will be destroyed under my plan they are they are uh they are okay
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pupa pupa engorged centers of breeding for the one percent no more of them no more of them everything's
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community college everything will be divided so harvard will be eight community colleges and yes you
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would be locked in one of those until you came to your senses okay wait a minute so it's like a
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re-education it's not sort of yes you would be reading a lot of canes and uh and and you would
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be forced to wear a shag wavera t-shirt okay all right okay bernie best of luck to you and i mean