The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Jonathan Isaac & AG Daniel Cameron ｜ 6⧸1⧸22

00:00:00.000 I get it.

00:00:01.680 See, look at him.

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00:00:05.940 We were just talking about Jonathan Isaac, who was in studio later in the podcast today

00:00:10.580 from the Orlando Magic.

00:00:12.080 What a nice guy.

00:00:13.700 Really nice guy.

00:00:14.940 And then Stu was challenging my knowledge of sports.

00:00:17.920 And not just one sport, all sports.

00:00:20.620 You know?

00:00:21.780 He was like, hey, you know, tell me about the WNBA.

00:00:25.400 And I said, I'm from Seattle.

00:00:26.420 I'm from the West Coast.

00:00:27.480 I know that's part of the, that's the Western division of the NBA.

00:00:33.420 And anyway, he's on today's program and so much more.

00:00:38.780 We talk about the Durham trial.

00:00:41.320 Kind of have a real big warning on what's coming this fall.

00:00:47.180 We also talk about what we're doing tonight on television.

00:00:50.300 There is a, there is a executive branch, all government, all levels, sort of crisis and

00:01:05.180 crisis SWAT team that has been created.

00:01:08.280 And it will be used.

00:01:09.820 And tonight you'll see it at nine o'clock.

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00:02:43.540 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:47.740 Daniel Cameron is joining us now.

00:02:53.420 He's the Kentucky Attorney General, the 51st Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

00:03:00.320 He's the first African-American independently elected to statewide office in Kentucky's history,

00:03:06.560 and the first Republican elected to the Attorney General's office since 1948.

00:03:12.080 Daniel, welcome to the program.

00:03:14.480 How are you?

00:03:15.760 I'm doing well, Glenn.

00:03:16.900 Thank you so much for having me on this morning.

00:03:19.180 Thank you for everything that you're doing.

00:03:21.180 You're one of these Attorney Generals that are taking ESG very seriously.

00:03:24.760 And you say that stakeholder capitalism, environmental, social, and governance investment practices actually violate the laws of Kentucky, right?

00:03:38.600 Yeah, Glenn, that's right.

00:03:41.600 It is inconsistent with state law.

00:03:44.060 Well, and honestly, I think if you look at our law or if you even look at some of the language in ERISA itself,

00:03:52.980 the requirement of investors regarding pension systems here in the Commonwealth indicate that the way that the investments are supposed to work is that they are solely to bring and bring money for the beneficiary.

00:04:12.380 And so that is the sole mission and purpose of an investment.

00:04:17.100 And so when you see things like ESG that are ancillary interest and could have a consequential negative impact on the investments of teachers, firefighters, law enforcement, other state public employees,

00:04:36.060 that's something that, as AG of Kentucky, I'm going to stand up against and make sure that folks here in the Commonwealth know that we're going to be watching this very closely to ensure that the investment practices are done in a way that is solely for the benefit of the beneficiary as opposed to some of these ancillary interests related to ESG.

00:04:58.620 If I'm not mistaken, a study just came out last week or the week before that showed that the ESG funds, many of them are performing under the market.

00:05:10.160 And one of the big may have been BlackRock, I'm not sure which one, but one of the big funds came out and said, yeah, well, I mean, for a while you are going to make less money, fewer returns on your investment.

00:05:26.960 But in the long run, it's the right thing to do. And it'll pay off. That's not you can't do that.

00:05:35.080 Glenn, you I mean, you're exactly right. You think about the folks sitting at their dinner table who have worked in here in Kentucky, at least in state government or have served as teachers or firefighters or law enforcement.

00:05:50.760 You know, they don't want to hear that they're in their investments, their pensions might take a hit because somebody in New York at some asset management firm wants to figure out a way to include ESG in their financial strategy.

00:06:12.260 That just is not something that's going to sit well with folks here in Kentucky. And I dare say not going to sit well with a lot of your listeners.

00:06:18.860 They want sound financial investments that are based on the sole responsibility of looking out for the beneficiary rather than environmental, social and governance type strategies that, again, are not specific to making money for the beneficiary.

00:06:38.620 And it's, you know, another problem with this is people don't understand. It's because of ESG.

00:06:45.320 We are having these gasoline prices. We're having the fuel shortages because the ESG investors are taking our state funds, you know, every union that has the funds, the pension funds, that all is going into investment.

00:07:03.440 Most of it is going to places like BlackRock, and they won't invest in coal or petrochemicals.

00:07:13.440 Well, you know, when you run out of money, you run out of gas and fuel.

00:07:20.080 Yeah, that's right. I mean, I've talked to a lot of, you know, fossil fuels, natural gas and coal companies that say that on the open market, it's hard for them to find financing.

00:07:30.560 Right. And it's because the these index funds or these asset managers are using other people's money.

00:07:38.880 I mean, let's let's call it what it is. They are. They're not using their own money.

00:07:41.920 They're using other people's money. They're using retirees money. 0.74

00:07:45.860 They're using folks that have been working in state government and state systems.

00:07:49.700 Again, teachers, law enforcement. They're using their money to make these decisions. 0.56

00:07:54.480 And, you know, your listeners and folks here at home don't necessarily know this.

00:07:59.660 And so one of the reasons we wanted to issue this opinion and we were asked to issue this opinion is to put a spotlight on it so that this is whether it's in this context or other context.

00:08:12.280 The more information people have, the better decisions and informed decisions they can make in terms of where their money is going, how it's being spent.

00:08:21.960 You're seeing this in so many different contexts and so many different industries.

00:08:25.660 And that's why I'm obviously honored to be on with you this morning to talk about this, because I think as patriots, as men and women who get up and work every day and and want to see a better future for themselves and their children,

00:08:39.720 they don't want their money going to some of these ideas or strategies that are not aligned with their own values.

00:08:47.220 And so that's also another reason that we decided to issue this opinion.

00:08:50.960 You stated in this opinion, investment management firms are publicly committed to coordinating joint action for ESG purposes, such as reducing climate change.

00:08:59.920 For example, the steering committee at the Glasgow Alliance for Net Zero states these, quote,

00:09:05.500 the systematic change needed to alter the planet's climate trajectory can only happen if the entire financial system makes ambitious commitments and operationalizes those commitments with near term action.

00:09:22.580 Nobody voted for this.

00:09:25.240 And Glenn, to see your point earlier, right, as domestic production of gas and oil goes down,

00:09:34.080 our prices at the pump are going up.

00:09:36.780 And so the challenge that we are seeing is that this is hurting the pocketbooks of the working men and women of this country.

00:09:43.380 And again, we, as you all often talk about, have got to stand up and be willing to push back against these notions that are out of line with the majority of the values of the men, women, children across America.

00:09:58.380 OK, so what are you doing as attorney general?

00:10:00.320 You say you were asked to release this.

00:10:03.480 Who asked you to do that?

00:10:06.180 So our state treasurer, Allison Ball, asked us because she had concerns as well about.

00:10:14.400 Good for her.

00:10:15.140 Yes, absolutely.

00:10:17.260 How is our process here in Kentucky?

00:10:19.360 Are we to be single minded in in making sure that the beneficiaries, that their money or the money that they put into the system, that the investments themselves mirror or make sure that those dollars can be maximized as opposed to taking some sort of hit because of these ESG goals?

00:10:45.640 So she asked us to look into this.

00:10:48.460 Obviously, as it relates to any single investment, that's a fact intensive inquiry.

00:10:54.560 So if we are asked to conduct any sort of investigation, we'd have to take a fine tooth comb, if you will, and look through that analysis.

00:11:04.620 But we want to put a marker down.

00:11:06.160 We want to put a flag in the sand to say this cannot be a process that is jeopardized in Kentucky when it comes to making money for our beneficiaries.

00:11:16.900 That process cannot be jeopardized by these ESG approaches.

00:11:21.420 So the three biggest firms that are involved have, I mean, trillions of dollars.

00:11:28.800 They most likely have some Kentucky money in it.

00:11:31.960 Are you going after those?

00:11:34.920 Are you taking those out or looking?

00:11:36.720 Is she looking at individual firms that are ESG based?

00:11:40.400 So we wanted to empower our pension boards, if you will, our trustees to have this information so that they can make wise decisions moving forward on what our investments look like and to scrutinize those closely and report back to us if there's anything that we need to be undertaking in terms of investigating any of the actions of the asset managers.

00:12:07.660 Real quick, could you just talk to other attorney generals in other states that may not be pursuing something like this and to the American people on how important this is, how dangerous this is?

00:12:19.300 Well, I'll say to my colleagues and other attorney general across the country, this is a big issue.

00:12:27.680 This is important to the pocketbooks of the working men and women.

00:12:31.640 And, look, I'm a part of a party, the Republican Party, that believes in standing up for the values of the working men and women and the working class folks all across this country.

00:12:42.820 And I know a lot of my colleagues believe in that.

00:12:45.140 This is a way to do it, to stand up to these ESG practices that have invaded a lot of the investment strategies across our financial markets.

00:12:57.280 What I'll say to hear to your listeners and folks back home is pay attention to this stuff, whether it's in the financial context or in Hollywood or entertainment more broadly.

00:13:13.780 We've got to be careful about where our dollars are going and what they are funding.

00:13:18.480 So, this is, again, these ESG practices are things that are an investment strategy that is using your money.

00:13:27.540 Let's be clear on that.

00:13:28.640 It's not using the leaders of these investment funds.

00:13:33.260 It's your money that's being used to finance and fund these ESG strategies.

00:13:40.220 And, again, I know that's not aligned with or in alignment with a lot of the values of the folks across our country.

00:13:47.320 Thank you so much.

00:13:48.480 I really appreciate you being attentive to this and being a leader out front.

00:13:53.040 His name is Daniel Cameron.

00:13:54.480 He is the Kentucky Attorney General.

00:14:00.160 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:14:07.820 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:14:10.860 There is a new addition to our international pandemic regulations that come from the WHO.

00:14:21.920 They were meeting last week in Davos, and I wanted to bring somebody on who has really been following this, Daniel Horowitz.

00:14:33.200 He's a Blaze podcast host, conservative review, and senior editor for TheBlaze.com.

00:14:39.720 Daniel, how are you, sir?

00:14:41.940 We are doing all right, even in this perilous time.

00:14:45.220 Yeah, boy.

00:14:45.880 I'll tell you, I'm doing a show tonight, Daniel, on all of the things that are happening.

00:14:51.800 And I don't even think we might touch on the WHO and what they're doing, but that's not our main focus.

00:15:00.120 Everything is being lined up for an emergency.

00:15:04.220 And when that emergency is announced, you've got nothing.

00:15:08.500 There's no freedom anywhere.

00:15:10.540 Can you talk to us about the WHO and what they did with their new health policy?

00:15:17.840 Sure.

00:15:18.380 There's actually a lot of positive news and uncanny news as well, in which the East and the West have been mixed up in our lifetime.

00:15:26.100 So, essentially, to go over this, the Biden administration submitted 13 amendments to international health regulations that, taken together, would serve to cancel out all of the requirements to consult with the host country before declaring a public health emergency in that region.

00:15:45.640 Hang on just a second.

00:15:46.600 That wouldn't be, that's when you say the authority, that's, they don't, the WHO would not have to talk to our president or Canada's prime minister or anybody else if they wanted to declare a health emergency in the United States or Canada.

00:16:06.420 That's crazy.

00:16:07.980 You see that crossed out in the language of the existing international health regulations by the Biden administration.

00:16:15.400 If you remember, they did it quietly, no press release, no press conference.

00:16:19.560 It was discovered three months later.

00:16:22.680 But we had the most unusual results.

00:16:25.000 Most of my lifetime, I'm used to criticizing the U.N. and similar organizations because of tin pot third world dictators. 1.00

00:16:34.400 And we're like, man, you know, this is run by the third world. 1.00

00:16:37.300 We need to pull out of it.

00:16:38.680 But here's what's happening now.

00:16:40.600 We have become the communists.

00:16:42.240 So it's the United States, Canada, and Australia really pushed it.

00:16:46.680 All of the countries we would consider as the Western democratic nations pushed for it.

00:16:52.360 But they were ultimately scuttled.

00:16:54.700 Why?

00:16:55.640 Because 47 African nations led by Botswana, along with India, Brazil, and Russia said, hey, we don't want a part of this. 0.98

00:17:05.680 We're concerned about this.

00:17:07.300 We're concerned about the rush timeline of this.

00:17:09.580 So it was ultimately voted down because of the third world countries.

00:17:16.740 But it was infatically pushed by the Western countries.

00:17:19.700 That is incredible.

00:17:21.620 Just incredible.

00:17:23.560 So how is the West going to get it done anyway?

00:17:28.020 You know, it's weird.

00:17:30.120 They just don't take no for an answer.

00:17:32.580 They just find another way to do it.

00:17:34.940 I think what we've learned from the last two years is we're not governed by the rule of law.

00:17:41.200 We're governed by the rule of political will.

00:17:43.200 And whoever wields it and controls it wins.

00:17:47.220 Unfortunately, that's where we are.

00:17:48.600 So it's not a matter of a formal treaty or even some sort of international regulation.

00:17:53.660 It's funny.

00:17:54.320 The fact checkers were all over us saying, well, the WHO can't force you to do anything.

00:17:58.980 Well, yeah, that's why I was saying states need to preemptively just say we're not doing it.

00:18:03.980 But the reason why it drew attention to this is because it demonstrated the intent of the Biden administration.

00:18:12.440 I'm more concerned about then than the WHO.

00:18:14.840 So but you were hit by factcheck.org.

00:18:20.420 The WHO has no authority to dictate U.S. health policy.

00:18:25.020 And in fact, because you're the the editor in chief of the Blaze, you were you were hit.

00:18:34.440 The Blaze was hit by Facebook when when they said, no, this is not true.

00:18:39.860 Because Psy Check Digest says it's not true.

00:18:45.260 Do you it's kind of like the Amelia Bedelia books I read to my kids.

00:18:49.960 Right.

00:18:50.460 So then they do this on purpose.

00:18:52.000 They take this hyper literalist approach when you raise a political concern.

00:18:56.440 Hey, why is the Biden administration truncating all the timelines for approval as well as vitiating any requirement to consult with the host nation in order to declare a public health emergency?

00:19:08.620 And they're like, well, the WHO can't do anything to you anyway.

00:19:11.580 Well, yeah, I mean, that's why we're saying we need to stand up to that.

00:19:15.020 But but the broader point is that it demonstrates that the Biden administration is not done with this.

00:19:21.600 They're not done with covid.

00:19:22.920 It's not like they're moving on to gun control or other things.

00:19:27.100 I mean, they might be doing that as well.

00:19:28.700 But they see this as a permanent great reset and they want to codify this permanently.

00:19:35.360 So whether it's in a WHO regulation or not, this is what they plan to do domestically.

00:19:40.780 And certainly when you start hearing about monkeypox and the next thing and the pediatric hepatitis pandemic they're talking about,

00:19:49.440 you definitely know that lockdowns, masks, forced therapeutics, they're not done with that.

00:19:57.100 Yeah.

00:19:57.260 In fact, one of the articles I was reading earlier this morning as I prepared for this interview was the fact that the defenders of this are saying this is not, you know, this is not some crazy idea.

00:20:14.420 Let me let me read part of it.

00:20:15.480 Global pandemic response had relatively little coordination, little unity.

00:20:20.420 In fact, it was more like 1983 and 2009 TV miniseries V, where politicians, personalities, social media accounts and others seem like they were actually trying to help the enemy.

00:20:31.100 In this case, the covid-19 that allowed the virus to kill over six point two seven million people and counting.

00:20:38.380 That's why the World Health Organization is discussing the global pandemic treaty at the upcoming 75th World Health Assembly.

00:20:47.020 Yet some celebrities, a bunch of social media accounts have been trying to guess what?

00:20:53.160 Argue against such a treaty.

00:20:55.400 Yeah.

00:20:55.640 Having no global agreement in place before the next pandemic is going to work out well.

00:20:59.580 Right.

00:21:00.680 So it goes into how how screwed up the response was.

00:21:05.020 And if the who would have just had authority to make sure everybody was doing the same thing and the right thing, how many lives could have been saved?

00:21:14.140 But we know the who was incompetent itself.

00:21:17.460 Well, what's remarkable about all of this is that they never take ownership for the results of their incumbency.

00:21:26.820 We were not in control.

00:21:28.360 I can tell you that much.

00:21:29.700 We helped about it for two years, but no one listened to us.

00:21:33.020 You had some isolated areas that over time moved away from these policies.

00:21:36.740 But for the most part, whether it was formally coordinated or not, which it's hard to tell, nearly every corner of the world coalesced around closing schools, around masking, around mass vaccination, around denying treatment.

00:21:54.160 It's funny.

00:21:54.620 Like you look at the denial of the hydroxy and ivermectin in America.

00:21:57.960 I mean, that occurred in almost every corner of the world.

00:22:01.720 So they got what they wanted, and yet we have six times more cases now, even though it's kind of off-season in the summer, than we did this time in late May, early June of 2021, even though all the vulnerable people have at least three, if not four shots, and it keeps going and going and going, they never take ownership for their policies.

00:22:26.540 They act as if no one's vaccinated, as if we didn't try all these things, and as if somehow we were in power, we had zero control over that.

00:22:37.180 So, in fact, they actually did this.

00:22:39.980 I think what they're saying is that they want more like the Shanghai type of response at the time, and that's what they're working on.

00:22:47.400 So, because they say that another pandemic is right around the corner.

00:22:50.780 It used to be a hundred-year pandemic.

00:22:52.680 Now it's another one is right around the corner, and we have to have all of these things to be able to control.

00:23:00.180 Daniel, do you think that this is why the Biden administration is back in court trying to force people on airplanes to wear masks again?

00:23:11.220 There's no question.

00:23:12.320 I think people think that the masks have been repudiated, and they have been.

00:23:16.940 And with the scientific literature, we're actually seeing evidence of negative correlation with outcomes.

00:23:23.180 Certainly, obviously, carbon dioxide problems and many other language development problems with children are unbelievable.

00:23:30.500 The U.K. health department, education department is openly talking about that.

00:23:35.040 But it hasn't been repudiated politically.

00:23:37.060 And I'm seeing even places like Lincoln, Nebraska school districts bringing it back.

00:23:43.260 Some places never got rid of it.

00:23:45.640 You still have disabled people that have to wear it when they go to their numerous medical appointments. 1.00

00:23:52.960 So this is not even over with yet.

00:23:55.120 They absolutely want to continue it.

00:23:56.800 And I think it's funny when you look at Justin Trudeau, he announced his new gun control measure this week.

00:24:05.060 They were all standing around wearing masks while announcing that.

00:24:10.180 I think it's a very powerful tool of control and submission.

00:24:15.580 They absolutely do not want to let go.

00:24:18.600 And there's very few states so far that have banned them.

00:24:21.560 A few of them have.

00:24:23.100 New Hampshire legislature did, but the RINO governor just vetoed it.

00:24:26.180 But, I mean, we have our work cut out for us.

00:24:29.780 I think too many of us are moving on to the next issue because, unfortunately, there are so many issues.

00:24:34.940 But this is not done yet.

00:24:37.100 The senior editor for TheBlaze.com and host of the Conservative Review podcast, Daniel Horowitz.

00:24:44.300 Daniel, thank you, as always.

00:24:47.000 You know, he wrote about this and he wrote about it accurately.

00:24:50.720 The one thing about Daniel is he pays a lot of attention to the details and makes sure that he gets it exactly right.

00:25:01.480 And this has hurt our Facebook pages, our social media, because they said that he was lying.

00:25:09.600 He's not lying.

00:25:10.240 That is, what he wrote is absolutely true.

00:25:13.880 Now, they say we're not going to lose our sovereignty.

00:25:16.620 But, really?

00:25:18.980 You can't speak about things.

00:25:21.700 Isn't that a loss of personal sovereignty?

00:25:24.020 A loss of freedom of speech?

00:25:26.800 Don't listen to these people anymore.

00:25:28.720 They are dangerous.

00:25:30.000 And they're going to become more dangerous as we get closer and closer to the next real emergency.

00:25:37.060 And that emergency is going to be fuel, any kind of energy, and food.

00:25:44.860 And it will be here by the fall.

00:25:48.340 Make sure you're prepared.

00:25:49.460 Tonight, I'm going to show you on my Wednesday night TV show the disasters that are coming.

00:25:56.540 And they are Biden-made disasters and how they will cripple us and what the administration in the bureaucracy is already laying the foundation for.

00:26:08.840 Because they're not only just creating it, they have a solution for those problems.

00:26:15.740 And I don't think you're going to like them.

00:26:17.920 And you didn't vote for any of them.

00:26:21.220 Tonight, famine and blackouts.

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00:27:31.040 Finally, a sports figure both Stu and I can agree on.

00:27:34.560 From the Orlando Magic, we have Jonathan Isaac, a great player.

00:27:41.300 Stu knows everything about him.

00:27:43.040 I have no idea.

00:27:44.060 But I do know, I know you because you are the guy who took two stands when it was really

00:27:52.760 not in your best interest to do so.

00:27:55.540 So welcome.

00:27:56.460 I'm glad you're here.

00:27:57.300 Glenn, thank you so much for having me.

00:27:58.420 Stu, I'm excited to talk with you guys.

00:27:59.760 Thank you.

00:28:00.700 So you've just put out the book, Why I Stand.

00:28:04.780 And take me through the first stand, which was the flag, right?

00:28:11.820 Yes, sir.

00:28:12.800 Everybody was kneeling, taking a knee for the flag, and you refused to do it.

00:28:18.680 Yeah.

00:28:18.960 So there's a lot of backstory and a lot of details that the book offers.

00:28:23.320 So if you want to get all of it, you got to go get Why I Stand.

00:28:25.500 But for me, what happened to George Floyd was obviously tragic, and it was obviously

00:28:30.080 terrible.

00:28:30.880 But what I tried my best to do was take a step back and think, what is the best way for

00:28:34.460 me to respond in this moment?

00:28:36.240 And looking out, I'm thinking to myself, man, the world needs healing.

00:28:40.160 And to me, healing is not going to come through a movement.

00:28:43.120 It's not going to come through an organization, a party, anything like that.

00:28:46.240 When I looked at my own life, I said, man, my life has been supported, changed, and healed

00:28:50.000 by the gospel of Jesus Christ, the love of Jesus Christ.

00:28:52.780 And I was saying, man, this is the message that I want to push, and this is the message

00:28:55.980 that I want to share in this moment.

00:28:57.240 And so when I thought about healing, I know that racism and all the things that plague

00:29:00.580 our society are heart issues, and they're ultimately spiritual issues.

00:29:03.520 And I said to myself, you know what?

00:29:04.880 I can't think of a better message or antidote for these times other than that message.

00:29:08.640 So I decided to share it.

00:29:09.580 The one thing I love in your book, you talk about how you didn't feel, you kind of felt

00:29:15.840 like a fraud, and it wasn't until you found a relationship with God that you realized,

00:29:23.120 no, no, no, I have everything I need to be able to succeed and to thrive, right?

00:29:29.840 Yes, sir.

00:29:30.440 Absolutely.

00:29:31.040 I grew up Christian, so my parents always had me in the church like every single day.

00:29:35.260 But as I begin to grow up and just kind of want what the world has to offer and went after

00:29:40.320 it and all the things like that, but I have this great like coming to God moment in the

00:29:44.140 book and stories full of details and just God orchestrating my footsteps and ultimately

00:29:48.940 me coming to understand that God loves me for me.

00:29:52.020 I don't have to work for it.

00:29:53.220 I don't have to strive for it.

00:29:54.400 I don't have to make a basket in order to experience this love.

00:29:55.980 It changes everything, doesn't it?

00:29:57.320 Yes, sir.

00:29:57.940 Yes, sir.

00:29:58.340 I mean, I was so related to this section of the book because that's the way I was.

00:30:03.980 And I was very formulaic when I was, I knew what the right thing to do was, you

00:30:10.080 know, to be able to advance a career and everything else.

00:30:13.020 And it was just, I was just miserable because it wasn't real.

00:30:18.340 And I was just covering for all the things that I thought I was deficient in, you know?

00:30:25.280 And when you, for me, I had to have a bad break.

00:30:29.820 But when you have that God moment and you surrender, oh my gosh, it's crazy great.

00:30:38.480 Yes, sir.

00:30:38.940 And to your point about having that like bad break, like I was injured at the time.

00:30:43.560 And so it's like, God uses those moments to kind of get our attention.

00:30:46.680 And in that he revealed himself to me.

00:30:48.860 And I'm like, man, like this is great.

00:30:51.220 And I've been on this journey of just growing in relationship with him and ultimately to

00:30:54.900 go from a young boy who struggled with anxiety, struggled with fear, self-insecurity to a

00:30:59.420 man that was willing to stand up for what he believes in in these moments and display a

00:31:03.260 form of courage that I hope that everyone can take from the book and internalize and

00:31:06.880 ultimately do the same.

00:31:08.600 And it is, it's only because, you know, I think that the, what God does for people, a

00:31:15.120 belief in God is give you the confidence that you need and not an arrogant confidence, but

00:31:23.400 give you the confidence to be able to go in on the basketball court and know, I got this,

00:31:29.820 you know, go anywhere.

00:31:31.260 I got this.

00:31:31.860 And then go into the lion's den and say, yeah, okay.

00:31:36.900 I'm, uh, I'm not going to kneel.

00:31:38.380 I'm not going to wear the, the, uh, you know, the black lives matter Jersey either. 0.86

00:31:42.900 Yes, sir.

00:31:43.520 And to your point about what God does, what, what, what I was, the message that I was trying

00:31:47.520 to get across in the moment is when you have these times like George Floyd or any tragedy

00:31:51.920 or anything like that, what's so easy for us to do is immediately take the, take the

00:31:56.200 role of, of the judge and say, this person is awful.

00:31:58.880 They did this, throw them away. 0.85

00:32:00.260 They're terrible.

00:32:01.260 Um, but what I have seen in my own life is when I was able to look at my own sin, my own

00:32:05.680 shortcomings, my own failures, I was able to sympathize with people who go through the same

00:32:09.280 thing and what the, what the gospel does is it puts everybody on the same playing field

00:32:13.220 and it says, we are all in need.

00:32:15.700 Yes.

00:32:16.020 Justice.

00:32:16.780 It is real equity.

00:32:18.500 You know what I mean?

00:32:19.500 It's, we are, when we come here, we are all equalized, you know, in our own, in our own

00:32:28.040 way.

00:32:28.460 Yes, sir.

00:32:28.900 In need of a savior.

00:32:30.120 And so it's pretty much saying like we, we need to stand up for what we believe in

00:32:33.900 because at the end of the day, I didn't kneel and I didn't wear the t-shirt.

00:32:36.600 We need to do those things.

00:32:37.640 But at the same time, we do it in love and we render to people what we would have them

00:32:41.600 render to us.

00:32:42.320 And ultimately the way God handles us is the right way to handle people.

00:32:45.140 So what was the result from your teammates?

00:32:49.440 Yeah, it was, so it, first off, it was a very emotional time.

00:32:53.620 There were guys on my team who were extremely charged about the BLM movement and being all 0.99

00:32:58.940 in.

00:32:59.200 And so we had a heated conversation afterwards.

00:33:01.580 We had a team only meeting just the players and, and, and certain guys, you know, felt the

00:33:05.620 way about it and were upset about the stand that I took.

00:33:07.760 And we were able to have a conversation and almost leave it at, look, you guys believed

00:33:11.600 in what you were kneeling for, but I believe in what I'm standing for too.

00:33:14.980 And I respect you guys' decisions.

00:33:16.900 That's great.

00:33:17.200 So, but I, I expect that same respect in return.

00:33:19.900 And have those, have those wounds healed with everybody on the team?

00:33:23.500 Well, I think as time has gone on, everyone has been able to kind of breathe a little bit

00:33:27.480 and, and see kind of the landscape for what it was and to see the way that the organization

00:33:31.920 or people were moving in that time.

00:33:33.240 It was very angry.

00:33:34.120 It was very, you know, vitriol, but, um, have been able to take a step back and kind

00:33:38.460 of see some of the things that are going on.

00:33:39.700 And then you took another controversial stand.

00:33:41.700 You wouldn't take the COVID vaccine.

00:33:43.740 No, I didn't.

00:33:45.100 And, and that, that for me was a kind of the same trail where it was like, you know what?

00:33:49.520 I need to take a step back, see what's going on because this thing is being forced.

00:33:53.600 Um, you know, people are losing their jobs.

00:33:55.660 People are medical and religious exemptions are being denied.

00:33:58.500 This feels fishy to me.

00:33:59.980 And then we get to the point where the Rolling Stone article drops and they say that I came

00:34:03.960 to my decision by watching Donald Trump press conferences and studying black history.

00:34:08.440 And that was when I was like, you know what?

00:34:10.260 On principle, even they're not saying that the vaccine is terrible and everybody's going

00:34:13.420 to die if they take it, but on principle, this thing hasn't been gone about the right

00:34:17.660 way.

00:34:18.340 And, uh, so I decided not to take it and just be a voice for people who.

00:34:21.820 I think they would have actually had more people get the vaccine if they hadn't have been

00:34:26.100 so creepy.

00:34:26.820 I'd absolutely agree.

00:34:27.700 Yeah, I'd absolutely agree.

00:34:28.600 I mean, it's just, it was just creepy.

00:34:29.740 I absolutely agree with that.

00:34:33.240 And at the end of the day, it's just, when you're coming across something like that and you're,

00:34:36.220 you're studying exactly what COVID is and everything that they're saying, it should have just been

00:34:40.140 a choice.

00:34:40.980 It should have just been a choice.

00:34:42.060 And, you know, one of the questions that I got was, you know, you took, you took vaccines

00:34:45.520 when you were younger.

00:34:46.960 Um, uh, but I was like, at the end of the day, that was my mother's choice to give it

00:34:50.580 to me.

00:34:50.740 And she wasn't forced to do it.

00:34:52.120 And so, uh, I think just the way that it was forced, the way that it was pushed, and

00:34:55.720 even throughout the season, I was the only one who, who didn't get vaccinated and I

00:34:59.080 didn't get COVID.

00:34:59.620 And so many guys on the team who are vaccinated.

00:35:01.300 So many people who have been, who had the COVID vaccine, you know, uh, episode one through

00:35:07.200 seven, uh, are getting the, you know, are getting COVID over and over and over again.

00:35:13.120 I don't know what the stats are.

00:35:14.440 You probably do.

00:35:15.120 I don't know what the stats are.

00:35:16.240 Are they.

00:35:16.680 At the bottom line though, is as you point out, it should be your choice.

00:35:19.480 If you want to get it, you get it.

00:35:21.100 If you don't want to get it, you shouldn't want to get it.

00:35:23.160 The religious exemption thing is a really important part of this that you mentioned.

00:35:25.960 I mean, if you believe that this is not for you, who, who's the NBA, who is the government

00:35:32.220 to tell you that you have to take it?

00:35:34.040 Right.

00:35:34.240 And that's the principle that I was talking about, about just like not saying that the

00:35:37.560 vaccine is some awful thing, but you know, obviously some people have had adverse reactions

00:35:40.900 to it.

00:35:41.520 I'm young, I'm healthy.

00:35:42.620 I've already had COVID in the past.

00:35:43.900 I have natural immunity.

00:35:45.120 I don't see the wisdom in putting this into my body and still being able to get the,

00:35:49.220 the virus and transmitted anyway.

00:35:51.020 And so, uh, but just for the principle of the people who were struggling in that time, the

00:35:54.420 people who went from essential workers to, uh, you know, being able to be excluded.

00:35:58.880 I was like, you know, just on principle, I don't think this is right for me.

00:36:01.560 So the name of the book is why I stand by Jonathan Isaac.

00:36:04.700 It is a tremendous book.

00:36:05.920 How is it doing?

00:36:06.900 It's doing fantastic.

00:36:07.860 So we became a national bestseller this week.

00:36:10.620 Um, and again, they tell me that you're, you're the guy and you're going to be, I'm the

00:36:15.280 guy, you're the guy to push this thing.

00:36:17.740 So, uh, well, I will tell you that it is a exceptional and you're number one on Christian number

00:36:22.600 one in sports.

00:36:24.000 So this, this week, so when we first dropped, we were number one in Christian, number one

00:36:27.920 in political books, number one in basketball biographies.

00:36:30.200 And then I think we got as high as 15 overall books.

00:36:32.780 But I think after this interview, we're going to get to, we're going to get to one in overall

00:36:35.940 books.

00:36:36.200 Well, that would be, uh, I mean, I can't do that for my book in the New York times.

00:36:40.700 I can do it on all other lists, but not the New York times.

00:36:43.280 So don't count on it.

00:36:44.380 Uh, but, uh, the name of the book is why I stand and it is truly an inspirational book.

00:36:49.180 It is, I mean, there is a real shortage of two things and they, uh, are correlated.

00:36:57.640 Um, people who actually believe in God and the power of God.

00:37:05.620 I'm not saying that, yeah, I believe in God.

00:37:07.760 No, no.

00:37:08.460 You actually believe in God.

00:37:10.860 And the other is we have a lack of people who actually have courage and those two go

00:37:18.860 hand in hand.

00:37:19.760 You cannot break those two apart.

00:37:22.280 You'll have courage because you believe in God.

00:37:26.180 Um, and this book does a great job of explaining in just a story form of your own life.

00:37:33.320 Right.

00:37:33.560 And to the point about that, it's like, what I do really love about the book is that it's

00:37:37.660 not a fairy tale.

00:37:38.360 It's not like this guy is just the most courageous guy in the world and he has such great belief

00:37:42.600 and he's just did this amazing thing.

00:37:44.380 And it's not something that people can strive toward.

00:37:46.840 There are moments in the book where, again, I talk about my early childhood, about how

00:37:49.500 much I struggle with anxiety and how developing a relationship with Christ has been the thing.

00:37:54.080 And the people that were around me in that time to help me get through that, I mean, ultimately

00:37:57.500 get me to be able to stand in the first place.

00:37:59.260 So it's something that people can draw off of.

00:38:01.520 People can see themselves in the story.

00:38:03.120 People can be encouraged and inspired that they can do the same because it's the same thing that

00:38:07.780 I went through.

00:38:08.160 And you had to have a conversation with your wife at some point going, honey, this is

00:38:15.000 hundreds of millions of dollars that are at stake, right?

00:38:18.580 Well, she wasn't my wife at the time.

00:38:19.940 She was my fiance.

00:38:21.080 Okay.

00:38:21.620 But the night before-

00:38:23.160 Did she encourage you to take a stand?

00:38:24.960 Yes.

00:38:25.500 So the night-

00:38:26.500 You married the right woman.

00:38:27.680 I did.

00:38:28.500 Yeah.

00:38:28.600 So the night before I stood, I was on the phone with my pastor.

00:38:31.600 He was my first call and my fiance was my second.

00:38:33.680 And I called him and we're talking about, you know, you don't understand how big this

00:38:37.600 is going to be.

00:38:38.200 Like, I'm going to be a coon. 0.99

00:38:39.820 I'm going to be an Uncle Tom.

00:38:40.860 You know, I hadn't signed my contract yet.

00:38:44.240 And so that was still up in the air.

00:38:45.960 So that could have been destroyed.

00:38:47.680 But he said, you cannot stand for God and God not stand for you.

00:38:52.100 And so we went with it.

00:38:53.720 And the same thing I said to my wife, she was like, you're standing alone in there, but

00:38:56.860 you're not standing alone because I'm standing with you.

00:38:59.200 And so there are many people who have been encouraged by it, many Christians who are standing

00:39:02.840 and many people who just believe the message that ultimately the love of God is what heals

00:39:07.500 and being able to show the love of God in these moments, still standing for what you

00:39:10.980 believe in, but rendering unto others the way that you would want to be.

00:39:14.020 You would want it.

00:39:15.320 So if you did something that was wrong and it was caught on tape, you would want mercy.

00:39:18.820 You would want forgiveness.

00:39:19.740 You would want people to handle you in a certain way.

00:39:21.340 So we have to be the ones that understand from a Christian perspective and want to show

00:39:25.200 that same love and grace to other people.

00:39:27.340 You get it.

00:39:28.020 You're fantastic.

00:39:29.620 Tagafio.

00:39:30.600 Yeah.

00:39:31.260 And I'm not just saying that because you just signed an $80 million contract and I'd like

00:39:35.100 a loan, but his name is Jonathan Isaac.

00:39:40.300 He is with the Orlando magic.

00:39:44.780 Why I stand.

00:39:46.280 It's tremendous.

00:39:47.500 Buy it wherever you get your books, go to Amazon or wherever you buy your books.

00:39:50.860 Now, why I stand.

00:39:52.480 Thank you, sir.

00:39:53.240 Thank you.

00:39:53.840 God bless you.

00:39:54.320 Thank you.

00:39:54.500 God bless you.

The Glenn Beck Program - June 01, 2022

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