Glenn Beck is joined by Jonathan Pajot, an icon carver, to talk about UFOs, aliens, and the Panama Canal. Also, Eddie wrote in about his experience with Relief Factor, and Gordon Chang asks if China is preparing for war.
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00:03:10.860And Carving, you know, Thomas Jefferson said, if you really want to embed the truth, you want people to remember who your society was, embed it in your architecture.
00:03:19.380And there's a lot of lost meaning in icons.
00:03:24.680And I was talking about this today with one of my researchers, and she said, you know, Jonathan's probably going to be able to talk about this.
00:03:32.560And I don't know how he's going to talk about this, but I wanted to get him on first thing as he's in the airport traveling here for the full show later today.
00:03:55.040So Michael Schellenberger, last night, I asked him about the UFOs or the UAPs, the flying disks, whatever they are in all over America and the world.
00:04:10.920And I said, what do you think those are?
00:04:13.900And he said, well, I'll be surprised if they're China.
00:05:07.500Well, I think the first thing to say in terms of meaning, like the thing that I'm interested in is really symbolic structures and symbolic meaning.
00:05:15.700The first thing to understand is that this is an unidentified phenomenon.
00:06:27.880And we'll be able to know how to deal with them.
00:06:30.640But until we have an idea of what they are, now we're dealing with the problem of something that's like a monster.
00:06:37.520That's like a hybrid monster that you don't know what it means.
00:06:40.120So, you know, that's the way that I see it.
00:06:42.960You know, I was thinking today, I got up after a fitful few hours of sleep, and I thought, this is Nietzsche.
00:06:52.680We have destroyed God, and we, you know, so many no longer believe in God.
00:06:59.660They believe science is God, man is God, whatever.
00:07:02.080And we are looking at making things, for instance, Abigail Schreiber says, you know, there's now this thing that is not part of you, but lives outside of you and inside of you that might tell you that you're a different gender.
00:07:17.000Well, that sounds like a soul that's misinformed.
00:07:20.940And so it seems as though we are creating or recreating a religion in our society.
00:07:32.140And for sure, the extraterrestrial and the unidentified flying orb lights are a way to kind of re-inscribe religious stories and religious imagery into our world with a scientific lens.
00:07:44.460And so, and often the problem, I think, and that's why I focused on meaning before, that the problem is that we're so focused on understanding what these phenomenas are in terms of, you know, what is their physical, mechanical causes.
00:07:56.160And we are not trying to figure out what they're doing in terms of the way we perceive ourselves and the way we perceive our place in the cosmos.
00:08:05.500And so, and that's what, that's the biggest thing.
00:08:07.740AI, all of these questions, people are always asking the technical question, but very few people are asking, what does it mean for us to be dealing with these types of intelligences that are kind of poking their nose back into the world right now?
00:08:20.580So, what would happen to us, I mean, my faith would be fine, but what would happen to us if we did find that we weren't alone in the universe?
00:08:33.160Well, you know, you could ask the question in all kinds of ways.
00:08:36.820What happened when we discovered that there was a whole continent that we didn't know about and that there were cultures that nobody has ever talked about and no one has ever dealt with?
00:08:46.240The situation would be the same. It would be catastrophic in some ways. It would lead to the end of a world. It would lead to mass transformation, but it wouldn't change the basic structure of what meaning is and what, you know, spirituality is, what God, when we talk about God, what we're talking about.
00:09:05.420In some ways, it would be a big clash, like the Colombian clash, you could say, but it wouldn't destroy religion at all. I don't see why it even affects them.
00:09:14.700Right. You know, in looking at icons that have happened all over the world, you see a lot of the same kind of icons on different continents that look to be like some sort of an alien or something that's coming from the sky.
00:09:36.040You see the huge icons that can really only be viewed from up above and made at a time when nobody was up above. What do you make of those?
00:09:47.100Well, I think that the idea of something that comes down from heaven is definitely a, you know, it's a universal image. It's universal structure. It has to do with how light is up in the heavens. It has to do with how the stars are like a big clock that, you know, structure our world. And that's really important to understand.
00:10:07.100Now, we have to be careful and not confuse that with the kind of scientific worldview that we live in right now.
00:10:16.800And so there's a kind of inversion that happened at some point during the Copernican Revolution, where now, you know, how can I say this?
00:10:24.520It used to be that the earth was the place in which we stood and we look at the heavens to kind of to give us meaning. But now we've changed that. You know, the heavens are are as physical and as mechanical as our bodies.
00:10:38.540And so they're not that they're not the spiritual thing. They're not the pattern that helps us, at least when you see it from the scientific point of view.
00:10:46.040The sun still gives us meaning. You know, it's still cast light on your day. It's still it's still basically structures your your entire existence because you comes up in the morning and goes in the evening.
00:10:55.540You wake up, you go to sleep. But we have to be careful not to confuse science fiction with spirituality. And I think that that's a big danger.
00:11:06.320Well, what I mean is, you know, the idea, for example, that there are alien beings outside in the world is far more similar to the ancient story of what we call the Mariners tale.
00:11:18.260Right. Or something like going and discovering a new continent in America. So when we do that, but now outer space has become something like the ocean or you see that in Star Trek, the ocean that you go out and then you explore and you find these new worlds and find these new beings that you had never seen before.
00:11:33.860And that's very different from, let's say, a spiritual hierarchy of of gods or of angels that are qualitatively different from us, you know, and that are in some ways the beings that provide meaning to smaller beings.
00:11:46.860You know, like angels are messengers from higher meaning down into us.
00:11:51.300And so it's what the reason why I say that is because there will be a great temptation to confuse if we encounter aliens like extraterrestrial beings, there will be a great temptation to confuse those with the idea of angels or of gods.
00:12:04.740And we already see people talking about it that way, you know, like as if they have this idea that, you know, the ancient stories of gods and of angels were just extraterrestrials visiting.
00:12:15.420And you also, I mean, I'll get into this with you later when you come in, but the idea of a golem, I think we're, we're about to enter the word world of a new golem with AI.
00:12:27.280And the old story of golem is like, it's unbelievable.
00:12:31.840It matches today what we're going through.
00:12:35.400Well, we definitely, I think that humans have had intuition about the notion of artificial life and artificial beings for a very long time.
00:12:50.300We try to capture it in physical terms, how it can, you know, turn against us.
00:12:55.320There's also that image in revelation of, you know, the beast that the, the statue that speaks, like if we make this creation of ours speak, then everybody is, is surprised and can be deluded by it.
00:13:32.660We are beginning to enter this world where perverse spirituality is starting to take hold.
00:13:41.080People are looking for meaning and things.
00:13:43.640There is a, there's a bright light that is happening.
00:13:46.800I think we're at the very beginning of a new great awakening, but at the same time, I mean, it just really freaked me out with Michael Schellenberger yesterday because he's, he's not a guy to, he just doesn't, he doesn't exaggerate.
00:14:02.780He doesn't chime in on things that he's not sure of.
00:14:09.380But he's like, if I had to place my money, I wouldn't place it on China or America, that this is earth technology or technology that mankind has.
00:23:59.860But when you know what the problem is and you're determined to protect the United States, you can do it.
00:24:06.140The other thing, and this is last resort, and that is that when we turned over the Panama Canal to Panama, there were two treaties.
00:24:17.080One of them is called the Neutrality Treaty, which is the treaty that survives, still in existence.
00:24:22.540We believe the United States, when we ratified that, we had a reservation that allowed the U.S. military to move into the Canal Zone to protect it from a third country.
00:24:54.660And we've got to make sure that American businesses are interested and alive to the possibilities of actually doing business and making profits in places like Central America, South America, Africa.
00:25:07.360American businesses have, I think, made poor business decisions in allowing those regions to be taken over by the Chinese.
00:25:16.100We have a strong diplomatic presence in Latin America.