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00:00:30.000 Well, it is Thursday.

00:00:32.560 Stu and I, I mean, we almost came to blows.

00:00:34.560 Almost came to blows over do interdimensional beings exist?

00:00:41.360 I mean.

00:00:42.100 Just like every other talk show today, I'm sure.

00:00:45.540 Which is exactly where Han is coming up. 0.98

00:00:47.580 Of course.

00:00:49.240 Jonathan Bejo is joining us.

00:00:53.240 He is, well, I don't want to explain it.

00:00:55.800 You'll have to listen first.

00:00:57.320 That's much better.

00:00:58.120 No, because if I explain it, then you get into the questions that you had about it.

00:01:02.520 And you're like, well, wait a minute.

00:01:04.520 So you just have to experience it.

00:01:06.640 Also, Gordon Chang, is China preparing for war?

00:01:09.840 And what about the Panama Canal?

00:01:11.820 And I had to recap Biden's farewell speech from last night because I know nobody watched it.

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00:02:36.680 So Jonathan Pajot is with us.

00:02:39.700 Yes, he's French, but he's French-Canadian, so it lessens the blow a little bit.

00:02:45.060 He's with us now.

00:02:46.100 He is an icon carver.

00:02:49.200 You can find it at PajotCarvings.com.

00:02:52.320 He also writes a lot, orthodoxartsjournal.org.

00:02:56.380 And he speaks on the symbolic world, thesymbolicworld.com.

00:03:02.780 And that's what I want to talk to him about.

00:03:05.120 I want to talk to him about, you know, there's a lot of things.

00:03:07.760 I love icons.

00:03:10.860 And Carving, you know, Thomas Jefferson said, if you really want to embed the truth, you want people to remember who your society was, embed it in your architecture.

00:03:19.380 And there's a lot of lost meaning in icons.

00:03:24.680 And I was talking about this today with one of my researchers, and she said, you know, Jonathan's probably going to be able to talk about this.

00:03:32.560 And I don't know how he's going to talk about this, but I wanted to get him on first thing as he's in the airport traveling here for the full show later today.

00:03:42.240 Jonathan, welcome to the program.

00:03:44.300 It's good to meet you.

00:03:45.520 It's nice to meet you.

00:03:46.400 I can't wait to meet you in person.

00:03:48.900 So we were talking about, I had a conversation with Michael Schellenberger.

00:03:52.980 Do you know who he is?

00:03:54.500 Yes.

00:03:54.880 Yeah.

00:03:55.040 So Michael Schellenberger, last night, I asked him about the UFOs or the UAPs, the flying disks, whatever they are in all over America and the world.

00:04:10.920 And I said, what do you think those are?

00:04:13.900 And he said, well, I'll be surprised if they're China. 0.99

00:04:16.780 And I said, wow, OK.

00:04:18.800 And he said, I'd be I'd be shocked if they were ours.

00:04:23.200 And I said, well, we're narrowing it down here.

00:04:25.240 Michael, where are you going?

00:04:26.380 And he said, and I don't think they came from outer space.

00:04:28.880 I said, OK, I'm out of options.

00:04:31.940 And he said, well, I don't know.

00:04:35.220 He said, but the most logical is some sort of other dimensional being.

00:04:42.620 And he said that could be spiritual.

00:04:45.480 That could be scientific going into the, you know, a fourth dimension.

00:04:51.760 And I went down a rabbit hole last night at two o'clock in the morning just looking at all this stuff.

00:04:56.980 And I mean, we're in for something huge, if that's what it is, game changing.

00:05:04.140 Do you have any comments on this?

00:05:07.500 Well, I think the first thing to say in terms of meaning, like the thing that I'm interested in is really symbolic structures and symbolic meaning.

00:05:15.700 The first thing to understand is that this is an unidentified phenomenon.

00:05:19.360 That's really important.

00:05:20.920 That is, we don't know what it is.

00:05:22.780 There's a category for that, right?

00:05:24.540 So we're trying to guess.

00:05:25.440 We're trying to understand.

00:05:26.580 It's something like the category of stranger, right?

00:05:29.540 That is, because it's like an alien influence.

00:05:32.380 We use that word alien as well.

00:05:34.200 And so no matter where it comes from, at this moment, it's playing an alien influence on us.

00:05:39.700 That is, it's acting on us in a way that it's making us trying to understand what their intentions are.

00:05:45.220 What exactly is the reason for this happening?

00:05:47.780 Why it doesn't fit in our normal meaning structure?

00:05:50.900 And that, in some ways, is really important.

00:05:52.340 It's like a monster, right?

00:05:53.340 You encounter a monster.

00:05:54.520 You don't know what that is.

00:05:55.500 You have no idea.

00:05:56.320 A sphinx or something like that.

00:05:58.080 And that is the role that a lot of these stories are playing.

00:06:00.780 The alien, the extraterrestrial, the unidentified object, unidentified flying object.

00:06:06.300 And so people try to connect it with all these other stories that we encounter.

00:06:10.820 And so, of course, people are going to have religious interpretations of it.

00:06:14.160 They also are going to have kind of scientific inquiries about it.

00:06:19.000 And the only thing we can do is try to think, once we figure out what they are, then they won't be that.

00:06:24.480 They won't be alien anymore.

00:06:25.880 They won't be unidentified.

00:06:27.880 And we'll be able to know how to deal with them.

00:06:30.640 But until we have an idea of what they are, now we're dealing with the problem of something that's like a monster.

00:06:37.520 That's like a hybrid monster that you don't know what it means.

00:06:40.120 So, you know, that's the way that I see it.

00:06:42.960 You know, I was thinking today, I got up after a fitful few hours of sleep, and I thought, this is Nietzsche.

00:06:52.680 We have destroyed God, and we, you know, so many no longer believe in God.

00:06:59.660 They believe science is God, man is God, whatever.

00:07:02.080 And we are looking at making things, for instance, Abigail Schreiber says, you know, there's now this thing that is not part of you, but lives outside of you and inside of you that might tell you that you're a different gender.

00:07:17.000 Well, that sounds like a soul that's misinformed.

00:07:20.940 And so it seems as though we are creating or recreating a religion in our society.

00:07:30.000 That's exactly right.

00:07:32.140 And for sure, the extraterrestrial and the unidentified flying orb lights are a way to kind of re-inscribe religious stories and religious imagery into our world with a scientific lens.

00:07:44.460 And so, and often the problem, I think, and that's why I focused on meaning before, that the problem is that we're so focused on understanding what these phenomenas are in terms of, you know, what is their physical, mechanical causes.

00:07:56.160 And we are not trying to figure out what they're doing in terms of the way we perceive ourselves and the way we perceive our place in the cosmos.

00:08:05.500 And so, and that's what, that's the biggest thing.

00:08:07.740 AI, all of these questions, people are always asking the technical question, but very few people are asking, what does it mean for us to be dealing with these types of intelligences that are kind of poking their nose back into the world right now?

00:08:20.580 So, what would happen to us, I mean, my faith would be fine, but what would happen to us if we did find that we weren't alone in the universe?

00:08:33.160 Well, you know, you could ask the question in all kinds of ways.

00:08:36.820 What happened when we discovered that there was a whole continent that we didn't know about and that there were cultures that nobody has ever talked about and no one has ever dealt with?

00:08:46.240 The situation would be the same. It would be catastrophic in some ways. It would lead to the end of a world. It would lead to mass transformation, but it wouldn't change the basic structure of what meaning is and what, you know, spirituality is, what God, when we talk about God, what we're talking about.

00:09:05.420 In some ways, it would be a big clash, like the Colombian clash, you could say, but it wouldn't destroy religion at all. I don't see why it even affects them.

00:09:14.700 Right. You know, in looking at icons that have happened all over the world, you see a lot of the same kind of icons on different continents that look to be like some sort of an alien or something that's coming from the sky.

00:09:36.040 You see the huge icons that can really only be viewed from up above and made at a time when nobody was up above. What do you make of those?

00:09:47.100 Well, I think that the idea of something that comes down from heaven is definitely a, you know, it's a universal image. It's universal structure. It has to do with how light is up in the heavens. It has to do with how the stars are like a big clock that, you know, structure our world. And that's really important to understand.

00:10:07.100 Now, we have to be careful and not confuse that with the kind of scientific worldview that we live in right now.

00:10:16.800 And so there's a kind of inversion that happened at some point during the Copernican Revolution, where now, you know, how can I say this?

00:10:24.520 It used to be that the earth was the place in which we stood and we look at the heavens to kind of to give us meaning. But now we've changed that. You know, the heavens are are as physical and as mechanical as our bodies.

00:10:38.540 And so they're not that they're not the spiritual thing. They're not the pattern that helps us, at least when you see it from the scientific point of view.

00:10:46.040 The sun still gives us meaning. You know, it's still cast light on your day. It's still it's still basically structures your your entire existence because you comes up in the morning and goes in the evening.

00:10:55.540 You wake up, you go to sleep. But we have to be careful not to confuse science fiction with spirituality. And I think that that's a big danger.

00:11:05.460 And what do you mean by that?

00:11:06.320 Well, what I mean is, you know, the idea, for example, that there are alien beings outside in the world is far more similar to the ancient story of what we call the Mariners tale.

00:11:18.260 Right. Or something like going and discovering a new continent in America. So when we do that, but now outer space has become something like the ocean or you see that in Star Trek, the ocean that you go out and then you explore and you find these new worlds and find these new beings that you had never seen before.

00:11:33.860 And that's very different from, let's say, a spiritual hierarchy of of gods or of angels that are qualitatively different from us, you know, and that are in some ways the beings that provide meaning to smaller beings.

00:11:46.860 You know, like angels are messengers from higher meaning down into us.

00:11:51.300 And so it's what the reason why I say that is because there will be a great temptation to confuse if we encounter aliens like extraterrestrial beings, there will be a great temptation to confuse those with the idea of angels or of gods.

00:12:04.740 And we already see people talking about it that way, you know, like as if they have this idea that, you know, the ancient stories of gods and of angels were just extraterrestrials visiting.

00:12:13.600 Correct. Yeah.

00:12:14.740 Yeah.

00:12:15.420 And you also, I mean, I'll get into this with you later when you come in, but the idea of a golem, I think we're, we're about to enter the word world of a new golem with AI.

00:12:27.280 And the old story of golem is like, it's unbelievable. 0.97

00:12:31.840 It matches today what we're going through.

00:12:35.400 Well, we definitely, I think that humans have had intuition about the notion of artificial life and artificial beings for a very long time.

00:12:43.220 Right.

00:12:43.500 And for sure, the story of the golem is a great warning about, you know, how, when we try to manipulate intelligence.

00:12:49.960 Yes.

00:12:50.300 We try to capture it in physical terms, how it can, you know, turn against us.

00:12:55.320 There's also that image in revelation of, you know, the beast that the, the statue that speaks, like if we make this creation of ours speak, then everybody is, is surprised and can be deluded by it.

00:13:07.660 Yeah.

00:13:08.320 I'm anxious to talk to you.

00:13:09.660 I can't wait to have a safe flight here.

00:13:11.260 Jonathan, we'll talk to you a little while.

00:13:13.320 All right.

00:13:13.720 Thanks, Ben.

00:13:14.240 All right.

00:13:14.500 Bye-bye.

00:13:15.320 Jonathan Pajot.

00:13:17.300 He is going to be on the podcast tonight.

00:13:20.220 He's also going to be on a plane in about 10 seconds.

00:13:22.300 It is.

00:13:23.020 It is.

00:13:23.500 You know, it's, it's weird because do you remember the book we talked about, oh, years ago called Hitler's Monsters?

00:13:29.980 Oh, yeah.

00:13:30.480 We're repeating that right now.

00:13:32.660 We are beginning to enter this world where perverse spirituality is starting to take hold.

00:13:41.080 People are looking for meaning and things.

00:13:43.640 There is a, there's a bright light that is happening.

00:13:46.800 I think we're at the very beginning of a new great awakening, but at the same time, I mean, it just really freaked me out with Michael Schellenberger yesterday because he's, he's not a guy to, he just doesn't, he doesn't exaggerate.

00:14:02.780 He doesn't chime in on things that he's not sure of.

00:14:07.040 And he made it very clear.

00:14:08.080 I'm not sure.

00:14:09.380 But he's like, if I had to place my money, I wouldn't place it on China or America, that this is earth technology or technology that mankind has.

00:14:21.680 Gosh, that's unbelievable.

00:14:22.820 That's unbelievable.

00:14:23.860 I don't even know what to think about that.

00:14:25.560 I know.

00:14:26.300 That's so bizarre.

00:14:27.840 I know.

00:14:28.080 But I guess those are the times we're in.

00:14:29.720 Good.

00:14:30.240 Good.

00:14:30.740 Good.

00:14:31.220 We got that going for us.

00:14:32.220 Repeating Hitler's Monsters? 0.90

00:14:33.340 Great.

00:14:33.580 Yeah, great.

00:14:34.420 Great.

00:14:34.980 We needed a sequel.

00:14:36.440 Yeah.

00:14:36.760 Well, we didn't, we didn't know the first time.

00:14:38.960 I mean, Nietzsche warned us, but we didn't have, I mean, we, we can figure this out this time.

00:14:45.220 And I think God gave us a break.

00:14:48.000 I think it's going to be a quick break, really quick break.

00:14:51.340 But he did give us a break to catch our breath and say, okay, wait, wait, wait.

00:14:54.580 What's really going on?

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00:16:26.780 All right, Gordon Chang is with us now, author of China is Going to War.

00:16:35.600 Gordon, welcome to the program.

00:16:36.780 How are you?

00:16:38.140 I'm fine, thanks, Glenn, and thank you so much.

00:16:40.400 Yeah, I've wanted to talk to you about the Panama Canal.

00:16:44.260 There's a lot of things I want to talk to you about with China.

00:16:47.520 You know, you have been saying for a long time China is a paper tiger.

00:16:50.840 They've got, you know, real problems with their economy, which has proven to be absolutely right.

00:16:57.800 They're in real trouble, which kind of makes me nervous because when somebody is backed into a corner

00:17:04.960 and because of their economy, they're starting to have uprisings or at least people vocalizing that

00:17:11.840 we're not with everything that China is doing.

00:17:14.360 They're going broke.

00:17:15.300 They're losing all of the money they've put towards housing, etc., etc.

00:17:21.120 They need some sort of a nationalistic kind of move to galvanize the population behind the party.

00:17:30.180 At least that's the way I look at it.

00:17:31.760 Do you think that's accurate?

00:17:33.420 And what is coming?

00:17:36.040 Xi Jinping clearly needs a war.

00:17:38.660 And the reason is that he is being held responsible for China's simultaneous crises,

00:17:43.580 which is not just a crumbling economy, but it's also, as you point out, plunging property prices.

00:17:49.400 That's really important because 70 percent of the wealth of the Chinese middle class is in property, 1.00

00:17:54.100 and they're losing double digits every year.

00:17:56.680 But you go through the list of all the problems, and Xi knows that the only way out for him is a misadventure abroad.

00:18:04.320 And I think he wants it for one primary reason, and that is if he has a war,

00:18:10.740 he prevents other Communist Party leaders from challenging him and deposing him

00:18:15.960 because he knows that they can't move against him in a warlike situation.

00:18:20.800 With the Chinese people, I suppose he wants to galvanize them,

00:18:24.200 but we've got to remember that the Chinese people right now are really unhappy.

00:18:28.580 They don't want a war.

00:18:30.040 They just want peace and prosperity.

00:18:31.800 They know the Communist Party is responsible for taking away those two things,

00:18:36.920 and they're not very happy right now.

00:18:39.320 So a couple of weeks ago, I did a show on what I thought might happen in 2025,

00:18:45.080 and one of them was China's going to war.

00:18:47.980 But I thought it would be something that was not the Panama Canal.

00:18:51.940 It would be something where we wouldn't get involved, but it would help them and their people,

00:18:58.400 so they would go into one of the countries around them and just take it and go to war.

00:19:04.420 Do you think that's likely, or more likely it's going to be something big?

00:19:10.520 Well, right now, we've got proxy wars that China is waging in Ukraine,

00:19:15.400 North Africa, and in the Middle East, in Israel.

00:19:18.200 So one more war looks like global conflict, World War III.

00:19:24.080 So anything can happen, Glenn, and so we have to be prepared for anything at any place at any time.

00:19:30.900 I think that Xi Jinping is going to stumble into a war someplace in East Asia.

00:19:35.820 South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, something like that.

00:19:39.420 But the first sign that we will have of a war could be an incident in the Panama Canal

00:19:44.660 because the Chinese want to prevent the U.S. Navy from taking ships and submarines

00:19:49.140 from the Atlantic Fleet to the Pacific Fleet.

00:19:51.680 So we may know about this first, and this war may start in our own hemisphere.

00:19:56.700 And you've written that you think that an accident, quote-unquote accident,

00:20:02.040 something like what happened at the Francis Scott Key Bridge,

00:20:05.260 where something just goes wrong with a ship and then just destroys the Panama Canal

00:20:12.260 for at least a few days.

00:20:14.060 Is that what you think, how it would begin?

00:20:17.380 Yes.

00:20:18.000 There are any number of ways for China to do that.

00:20:20.380 So, for instance, they could take a ship, they could ram one of the locks,

00:20:24.080 they could scuttle it in the Calibra cut, which is a narrow portion of the canal.

00:20:29.100 They could also take down a bridge.

00:20:31.580 They're building the fourth bridge over the canal.

00:20:34.280 They can design that bridge to come down easily, or they could construct it so that it falls apart.

00:20:41.440 These are things that we've got to be worried about because the Chinese have a thorough knowledge of, 1.00

00:20:47.600 and they've penetrated Panama, so they know what to do.

00:20:51.080 You know, one thing that we learned in New Orleans on New Year's Day,

00:20:55.800 and that is when you have a determined adversary who knows a lot about the territory,

00:21:00.960 the place is crowded, it's very difficult to prevent a terrorist act.

00:21:06.380 It's the same thing with the Panama Canal.

00:21:08.620 The Chinese are there, they've thoroughly penetrated everything, they know what to do. 1.00

00:21:13.160 Yes, we can think about contingencies, but the Chinese will be one step ahead of us. 1.00

00:21:17.800 So, explain to people, because China says they're not there, but there's, what is it, CK Hutchinson or something like that,

00:21:27.500 a company that was from Hong Kong, has been there for a long time, and they're saying that, no, that's not the Chinese.

00:21:34.460 Explain what they actually have in assets there.

00:21:38.240 They have, well, you talk about Hutchinson, they've got ports at both ends of the canal,

00:21:45.100 at Balboa on the Pacific end, and San Cristobal on the Atlantic side.

00:21:49.780 But they've also got Chinese state enterprises there.

00:21:53.020 When Laura Hutchinson, who was head of U.S. Southern Command in the middle of 2022, 0.98

00:22:00.100 she flew over the canal, and she pointed out all of the Chinese civilian, quote-unquote, operations.

00:22:06.740 She said they were dual use.

00:22:09.060 They would be turned into military facilities at a time of war.

00:22:13.260 Now, Hutchinson is a private Hong Kong company, but the point is, in the People's Republic,

00:22:18.900 no company, regardless of ownership, can disobey an order of the Communist Party.

00:22:23.820 So Hutchinson port operations in the Panama Canal Zone will be military bases,

00:22:29.700 as will other Chinese facilities in the area.

00:22:32.660 So what does Donald Trump, I mean, when he told me this, and I started looking into the Panama Canal,

00:22:39.920 he told me this months ago, and he said, do your homework, and I did.

00:22:44.260 And I saw him as somebody who actually knows what's going on and cares about the country and was way ahead.

00:22:55.540 What does he, what does he have to do?

00:22:59.800 Because people are poo-pooing everything he's saying about the Panama, oh, he wants a war in Panama.

00:23:04.000 No, he doesn't.

00:23:04.880 He just doesn't want that canal to block everything we need in case there is a war.

00:23:11.600 What does he have to do?

00:23:12.700 It's going to be very difficult, but I'm sure Trump can do it.

00:23:16.820 And one of the things is we've got to make sure that China doesn't have port operations in the Canal Zone,

00:23:22.160 which means Panama expropriating them.

00:23:25.220 That means we need to have American businesses who are willing to take it over.

00:23:29.220 Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:23:30.300 How do they do that?

00:23:31.180 Didn't they just sign a big contract?

00:23:32.980 They've renewed for 25 years the franchise for both of those port operations, but a country can expropriate.

00:23:42.780 They can void contracts.

00:23:44.240 We can do it.

00:23:44.880 China can do it.

00:23:45.540 Any country has a sovereign right to do it.

00:23:47.940 So does Panama. 0.88

00:23:49.300 And we've got to convince Panama that it is in their interest to do that.

00:23:53.740 So we've got to get the Chinese businesses out of the Canal Zone. 1.00

00:23:57.220 Not easy.

00:23:58.500 It's going to take a lot of effort.

00:23:59.860 But when you know what the problem is and you're determined to protect the United States, you can do it.

00:24:06.140 The other thing, and this is last resort, and that is that when we turned over the Panama Canal to Panama, there were two treaties.

00:24:17.080 One of them is called the Neutrality Treaty, which is the treaty that survives, still in existence.

00:24:22.540 We believe the United States, when we ratified that, we had a reservation that allowed the U.S. military to move into the Canal Zone to protect it from a third country.

00:24:33.880 So that is our ultimate card.

00:24:36.480 Panama won't like that, but there's nothing they can do about it.

00:24:40.040 So clearly we've got a lot of cards to play, but hopefully we don't have to use that one.

00:24:45.940 Right.

00:24:46.480 You wouldn't necessarily use that if we convinced Panama to cancel those leases, right?

00:24:53.720 Absolutely.

00:24:54.660 And we've got to make sure that American businesses are interested and alive to the possibilities of actually doing business and making profits in places like Central America, South America, Africa.

00:25:07.360 American businesses have, I think, made poor business decisions in allowing those regions to be taken over by the Chinese. 1.00

00:25:16.100 We have a strong diplomatic presence in Latin America.

00:25:20.780 These are things that we need to do.

00:25:22.180 And by the way, it's also the Caribbean.

00:25:24.400 Just to give you an example, talking about port operations, China has a port operation 87 miles east of Palm Beach, Florida.

00:25:32.600 That's in Freeport in the Bahamas.

00:25:34.560 That container port could be turned into a naval base in an instant.

00:25:40.720 So we really need to make sure that we look at all of these Chinese port operations in our hemisphere.

00:25:46.480 They've got 40 of them, Glenn.

00:25:48.600 40.

00:25:49.760 I will tell you, Gordon, I look at what's happening.

00:25:53.800 And again, I credit Donald Trump for bringing attention to this in a global sort of way.

00:26:00.120 It feels as though we are possibly headed towards a kind of a Cuban missile crisis moment.

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00:26:16.360 All right.

00:26:16.800 So Joe Biden, and I know this is all going to come as new news to you, Stu, because I'm not going to lie.

00:26:23.260 It came to me as new news this morning when I when I read it in the show prep.

00:26:29.020 This is not something I would even care about from this president.

00:26:34.940 But I think it's important just to notice how he's leaving office.

00:26:39.160 And there's a couple of things. 0.86

00:26:40.300 One, have you ever seen a president that nobody gives a flying crap about more than this one? 0.96

00:26:47.580 Um, I don't think so. 0.97

00:26:52.860 I don't think so.

00:26:53.780 I don't think I mean, I'm have I know.

00:26:56.580 Has it ever occurred in American history?

00:26:58.720 I think is more of the question.

00:26:59.900 Right.

00:27:00.100 It could be like, you know, John Tyler or Taylor.

00:27:03.160 I don't even know.

00:27:04.020 Tyler.

00:27:04.360 Tyler, right.

00:27:04.980 That was the one I didn't even realize existed.

00:27:06.560 Right.

00:27:07.060 John Taylor, I think is the basis for Duran Duran.

00:27:09.560 John Tyler.

00:27:10.480 OK.

00:27:10.780 Former president.

00:27:11.520 Right.

00:27:11.720 So former president.

00:27:12.880 I care about what's happening in this administration just a little bit more than John Tyler or John

00:27:21.320 Taylor or John Taylor either either.

00:27:22.980 I mean, I care a little bit more about John.

00:27:24.580 Yeah, I do.

00:27:24.980 Yeah, I do too.

00:27:26.440 Because he had I mean, they did have some great songs.

00:27:28.540 They had some great songs.

00:27:29.420 Yeah.

00:27:30.120 So, I mean, I just don't care.

00:27:32.380 I don't care.

00:27:33.000 The only reason why I do care is because what is he doing today to destroy our country?

00:27:38.280 OK.

00:27:38.820 Yeah.

00:27:39.080 You know, we've been doing the series of Biden's parting shots.

00:27:42.420 Yeah.

00:27:42.580 On our show.

00:27:43.560 Studios America, by the way.

00:27:44.840 Blaze TV.

00:27:46.360 And there's a lot.

00:27:48.480 You could say he's not doing anything because you think he's incoherent and falling asleep

00:27:53.760 on the job.

00:27:54.540 No, he's not doing anything.

00:27:55.700 Yeah.

00:27:55.900 It may very well be true.

00:27:56.900 But it also doesn't matter.

00:27:58.120 He is doing a lot.

00:28:00.040 Yeah.

00:28:00.320 To the country here as he walks out the door.

00:28:02.520 Sure.

00:28:02.920 But it does not seem like anyone seems to really care.

00:28:05.960 Like there was another, what, $500 billion forgiveness of loans yesterday?

00:28:12.600 Not that much, no.

00:28:13.440 How much was it?

00:28:14.560 He did 150,000 people and then another 200,000 people, I believe, over the past few days.

00:28:21.640 It's a lot of money and a lot of people.

00:28:23.420 Yes.

00:28:23.740 And this one he's saying, because the university scammed them.

00:28:28.480 Oh, God.

00:28:30.340 Okay.

00:28:31.100 So, yes?

00:28:32.440 I think that's just, it's amazing.

00:28:34.360 It's like, okay, if the university scammed them, you go through a legal proceeding?

00:28:38.260 Yeah.

00:28:38.380 And that's how they get their money back.

00:28:39.300 That's how you get your money back.

00:28:39.820 They don't get the money back just because we don't have to take that on as a country.

00:28:43.900 Correct.

00:28:44.000 Correct.

00:28:44.240 And again, none of this is legal.

00:28:46.000 None of this is constitutional.

00:28:47.300 Most of this will be overturned after he's out of office.

00:28:49.920 Right.

00:28:50.000 Most of these poor people who believe they no longer have these loans will wind up having

00:28:53.940 these loans.

00:28:54.500 Right.

00:28:55.120 But they're still going.

00:28:56.260 They're still going.

00:28:57.040 I mean, they're filing all kinds of suits in courts and you're like, that's not going

00:29:00.960 to stand under Trump.

00:29:02.280 They're not going to pursue that.

00:29:03.300 It's just, okay, well then stop it.

00:29:05.060 Spend the time to stop it.

00:29:07.820 That's what he's doing.

00:29:09.340 He's just lighting little brush fires everywhere.

00:29:12.680 Thank goodness Donald Trump is not California.

00:29:16.820 He'll put them out quickly, I think.

00:29:19.080 Now, Biden gave a speech and I just rewrote it.

00:29:26.140 I'm sorry.

00:29:26.840 I rewrote the speech because, you know, I said everything that he said, but I added a

00:29:32.980 little bit of the truth.

00:29:34.420 Okay.

00:29:35.200 So, let me give you what he said last night.

00:29:38.580 I mean, first, I mean, do we have the hail to the chief or something that makes it sound

00:29:43.820 official because it was a very official.

00:29:45.720 It was in the White House.

00:29:46.480 He was sitting on, I'm not kidding.

00:29:47.600 He was sitting on a pillow last night.

00:29:51.180 Yeah.

00:29:51.500 No, real.

00:29:52.100 And just go ahead.

00:29:53.300 And so he's.

00:29:55.220 And now a message from the president of the United States.

00:29:59.660 My fellow Americans, folks, I'm serious.

00:30:03.340 This is it.

00:30:03.860 This is my last address as your president.

00:30:06.140 No joke.

00:30:06.600 I've been in public service for 50 years now.

00:30:11.980 Maybe more.

00:30:13.060 I've seen a lot of my time, but I got to tell you, still believe in America.

00:30:16.800 But there's some things we need to talk about, things that really worry me.

00:30:19.500 I'm not kidding.

00:30:20.640 That's the serious stuff.

00:30:22.340 First of all, the oligarchy thing.

00:30:26.240 Yeah, it's bad.

00:30:28.400 Folks, we got billionaires and corporations running the shows right now, and it's dangerous.

00:30:33.360 I mean, come on.

00:30:34.280 We can't have people, billionaires, that think they can run everything like George Sork.

00:30:38.700 Or, well, no, okay, probably, he deserves a medal, but other people like that, that vote

00:30:44.960 differently than the way we want them to vote, that's just got to stop, got to stop, okay?

00:30:50.340 He's a good guy, mostly, you know?

00:30:52.260 And big tech, don't even get me started, folks. 0.62

00:30:54.880 Don't, don't.

00:30:55.920 It's like my dad used to say when I was growing up in Scranton, you know, just an average

00:31:01.140 scrappy kid hanging out with black people and minorities mainly. 0.98

00:31:05.060 Uh, I, you know, my dad used to say to me, don't trust big tech. 0.95

00:31:09.180 He was way ahead of the game, way ahead.

00:31:11.560 I loved my dad.

00:31:12.780 I'm going to cry.

00:31:13.480 By the way, California, I can relate because I've had a kitchen fire once.

00:31:18.780 Anyway, back to big tech.

00:31:20.720 Don't even get me started.

00:31:21.940 We had to work with them, you know, you know, to protect democracy.

00:31:25.940 That's why we had an open line to Facebook and Twitter.

00:31:28.500 Some people called it censorship.

00:31:30.020 That's malarkey, okay?

00:31:31.440 It was just, uh, what's the word?

00:31:35.680 Guardrails.

00:31:36.600 Yeah, guardrails for democracy.

00:31:38.800 That's what that was.

00:31:40.140 And misinformation, folks, I'm serious.

00:31:43.840 It's everywhere.

00:31:45.600 No joke.

00:31:47.380 Americans are buried in misinformation.

00:31:49.920 But let me be clear.

00:31:51.280 We weren't part of that.

00:31:52.840 Okay, maybe a little bit, but not very much.

00:31:54.840 I mean, not that you know of.

00:31:56.180 It's coming out.

00:31:57.680 Okay.

00:31:58.800 Well, all right.

00:31:59.980 Maybe a little.

00:32:01.260 I mean, we did say Hunter's laptop was fake.

00:32:03.260 Turns out it wasn't.

00:32:04.020 That was a surprise.

00:32:04.980 No joke, people.

00:32:05.900 I had no idea.

00:32:08.000 You know, maybe we got a few things wrong about COVID.

00:32:10.780 You know, like the origins, the lockdowns, the vaccines.

00:32:13.580 You know, but come on.

00:32:15.220 Come on, folks.

00:32:15.920 I'm serious.

00:32:16.620 It was confusing.

00:32:17.820 You try keeping it straight.

00:32:19.820 Come on.

00:32:20.500 Look, I know some of you are mad about my family making a few bucks overseas, but folks, let

00:32:26.320 me tell you, that's how business get done sometimes.

00:32:28.460 You know, what are you going to do?

00:32:29.880 My son, Hunter, good kid, smart as a whip.

00:32:32.380 Oh, my gosh.

00:32:33.220 What a talented painter he is.

00:32:35.440 Did you hear?

00:32:36.040 Here, $500 million of his paintings have been lost in the fire. 0.99

00:32:40.180 Damn it. 0.98

00:32:40.860 But a good thing we had insurance on all of that art. 0.99

00:32:45.700 You know, he got some deals, you know, China, Ukraine, whatever.

00:32:48.540 But it was all above board.

00:32:49.960 I mean, I'm serious, folks.

00:32:51.960 It's fine.

00:32:52.880 Totally legit.

00:32:53.700 And here's the thing about AI.

00:32:58.380 It's scary.

00:33:00.140 Artificial intelligence.

00:33:01.320 That's what they call it.

00:33:02.080 I don't trust it.

00:33:03.120 One day you're talking to your phone.

00:33:04.480 The next thing you know, it's running your life.

00:33:06.680 That's why I wanted Congress to ban stock trading for government employees.

00:33:10.460 No joke.

00:33:11.640 No joke.

00:33:12.480 You can't have senators buying stocks when they know stuff about stocks.

00:33:17.520 It's just wrong, folks.

00:33:18.940 Never.

00:33:19.720 I mean, not recently.

00:33:21.300 I've not recently benefited from stock trading.

00:33:24.440 No joke.

00:33:24.940 My family made it the old-fashioned way, through bribery.

00:33:27.580 Okay?

00:33:28.100 That's what we did.

00:33:30.140 All right?

00:33:30.580 And that's America.

00:33:31.720 Let me tell you about America and unity.

00:33:34.200 Folks, we need unity now more than ever.

00:33:37.740 But you know what's stopping us?

00:33:39.100 And I mean it.

00:33:39.980 People who don't listen.

00:33:41.800 They spread lies.

00:33:43.040 They stir up division.

00:33:44.640 Some of them even vote for the other guy.

00:33:46.280 And I'm not kidding.

00:33:47.140 These people are dangerous, folks.

00:33:49.760 I'm not kidding.

00:33:51.300 It makes me so mad.

00:33:52.640 I could...

00:33:53.760 I don't know.

00:33:57.180 You know the rest.

00:33:59.860 Now, I know I've made some mistakes.

00:34:01.700 Nobody's perfect.

00:34:02.920 I mean, I'm pretty damn close.

00:34:04.800 But come on, folks.

00:34:05.660 Give me a break.

00:34:06.320 I'm just doing what's right, you know.

00:34:07.940 You've got to trust me on this.

00:34:09.480 In closing, I want to remind you of the Statue of Liberty.

00:34:13.020 That lady's been swaying in the wind for years. 1.00

00:34:15.640 But she never falls.

00:34:16.860 Just like America. 0.78

00:34:17.800 She might lean a little to the right or to the left. 0.96

00:34:20.900 But she stays upright.

00:34:22.040 No joke.

00:34:22.520 It's a miracle.

00:34:24.580 They wouldn't let me change that torch to an ice cream cone.

00:34:28.200 Which I think would have been great.

00:34:29.740 You know, on her feet.

00:34:30.420 We should have given her some socks or something. 1.00

00:34:32.140 Because her feet's got to be cold.

00:34:33.420 They're made out of metal, you know.

00:34:34.900 Seriously.

00:34:36.140 Seriously, folks.

00:34:37.040 I'm not joking.

00:34:37.760 What's her hair smell like? 0.57

00:34:38.900 So now it's your turn to stand guard.

00:34:42.840 Keep the faith.

00:34:43.640 Protect democracy.

00:34:48.020 And remember, I love the little children.

00:34:50.680 Hey, God loves the little children.

00:34:53.320 He keeps them in the palm of his hand.

00:34:55.700 I've got my palm of my hand on little children.

00:34:58.400 It's good.

00:34:59.380 Folks, come on. 0.99

00:35:00.560 I'm being serious.

00:35:01.380 It's real.

00:35:03.340 I love it.

00:35:04.640 I'm serious.

00:35:05.280 God bless you, and God bless something else.

00:35:10.960 I don't remember what it was.

00:35:12.380 So that is the summary of his speech last night.

00:35:15.820 And then he walked off into the sunset.

00:35:23.700 And they're pretty close.

00:35:26.380 He had the seniors come in, you know, from his senior center.

00:35:29.780 And ride a...

00:35:33.420 It was pretty good.

00:35:35.280 Ow. 0.99

00:35:36.420 That one hurt there.

00:35:38.660 Hey, he was trying.

00:35:39.660 No, folks.

00:35:41.000 Seriously.

00:35:41.560 They're trying their best.

00:35:42.800 They're seniors.

00:35:43.860 And look at them go.

00:35:46.400 Look at them go.

00:35:48.200 The Joe Biden players, ladies and gentlemen.

00:35:51.200 And we're going to miss them.

00:35:51.940 We're going to miss them.

00:35:53.580 We really are.

00:35:54.420 We really are.

00:35:55.900 You know, I was thinking, I really don't care, except for the destruction.

00:35:59.900 And I think Democrats kind of have it in the exact right place, because they don't care

00:36:05.820 about the destruction, I don't think, you know, at least the ones in Washington.

00:36:09.320 And they're not paying attention to him at all.

00:36:10.880 They do not care what he's doing.

00:36:12.940 They don't care.

00:36:13.900 Okay.

00:36:14.120 Isn't this exactly the way we should all feel about our president all the time?

00:36:21.640 Without the fear of, good God, what is he doing behind the scenes?

00:36:25.040 Without that fear.

00:36:26.380 He should not have that big of an impact. 0.99

00:36:29.460 Nor should all those clowns in Washington. 0.97

00:36:32.500 You know what I'd like to do? 0.95

00:36:33.520 I'd like to go back to doing comedy.

00:36:36.140 Like, remember, Stu, in the old days, 25 years ago, before 9-11, we were doing comedy.

00:36:41.580 Wouldn't that be nice?

00:36:42.620 That would be nice.

00:36:44.500 I'd love to do that.

00:36:45.800 But we suddenly had to care because these people are completely out of their mind and

00:36:50.940 out of control.

00:36:53.480 The way the Democrats care about Joe Biden right now is the way we should care about every

00:36:59.680 president.

00:37:01.120 Okay.

00:37:01.380 They should have such little power.

00:37:03.760 Not, no, I'm not joking, folks.

00:37:05.360 I'm not.

00:37:06.300 Being serious.

00:37:08.200 Such little power.

00:37:09.460 We don't care.

00:37:13.260 Yeah.

00:37:15.520 Yeah.

00:37:16.680 Now let's go have some ice cream.

00:37:18.600 I mean, that's, you know, what the founders kind of wanted, right?

00:37:21.820 Yeah.

00:37:22.060 They wanted a country in which you didn't have to think about the king all the time.

00:37:26.340 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:26.520 And you would say, shut up. 1.00

00:37:29.060 Shut up a you. 1.00

00:37:30.020 That's what I think our founders, our Italian founders used to say. 1.00

00:37:33.840 Shut up a you. 1.00

00:37:34.480 Shut up a you. 1.00

00:37:35.240 Shut up a you. 1.00

00:37:35.920 Because, again, it's easy to think about it now as someone you probably like is coming 0.99

00:37:40.340 into office, right?

00:37:41.580 Yeah.

00:37:41.720 So you might, you know, like the focus on him.

00:37:44.600 Well, I like the focus on him because he's going to fix it.

00:37:47.480 He's going to undo a lot of the things that Biden has done.

00:37:49.900 And then we need to care enough to get those things out of an executive order and, I don't

00:37:55.640 know, passed his laws.

00:37:57.060 Otherwise, four years from now, we can have somebody even Karl Marx.

00:38:01.980 They might bring back from the dead and they'd be like, Karl Marx, you know, his first time

00:38:06.720 around didn't go well, but I'm serious, folks.

00:38:09.260 He's great now.

00:38:10.260 And look at that beard.

00:38:11.340 I mean, that's a great beard, especially for being dead for so long.

00:38:14.920 And they could bring him back and we'd be facing again.

00:38:17.880 He'd be like, I'm going to do a few executive orders.

00:38:21.220 But what's the problem?

00:38:22.980 I know.

00:38:24.180 No.

00:38:25.340 We need to pay attention so they actually pass these things as bills.

00:38:30.620 Interesting thing development on that front.

00:38:32.840 The Republicans are trying to talk Trump out of doing some of these executive orders when

00:38:39.040 he first starts because of basically a technicality that comes with this law that they want to

00:38:45.540 pass, this reconciliation bill.

00:38:47.280 This is coming up.

00:38:48.380 This is their one big bill.

00:38:49.680 Right.

00:38:50.140 And to do that, they can they can pass this bill with only 50 senators if it's cutting the

00:38:55.760 deficit, essentially.

00:38:57.380 And so the what some of these executive orders that Trump wants to do will help that.

00:39:05.960 Right.

00:39:06.100 But they need to have it to have them in the bill to make sure the scoring is right so

00:39:10.760 they can pass it.

00:39:11.560 I got to tell you, I think there's more to cut than everybody thinks.

00:39:15.740 You know what I mean?

00:39:16.380 I'm with you on that.

00:39:17.160 You know, oh, gee, we've got it.

00:39:18.620 We've got to reduce the deficit and you're going to cut a lot of places.

00:39:21.820 I think you can find more.

00:39:23.100 I think you can.

00:39:23.680 I think you can.

00:39:24.440 I think you can.

00:39:24.700 I mean, again, if you're going to do it anyway, I'd prefer like if it's a good measure

00:39:30.240 and it's going to improve the budget situation, I would rather have it in the reconciliation

00:39:35.020 bill than as an executive order for the same reasons you're talking about.

00:39:38.640 Yeah.

00:39:38.660 Yeah.

00:39:38.840 So I think I would like to not give away the stuff that we could get also through executive

00:39:44.900 order.

00:39:46.280 Yeah.

00:39:46.880 You know, like if you can get it through the law, get it through the law, get it through

00:39:52.060 the bill.

00:39:52.560 We get it that way.

00:39:53.520 If it's not available there, then you go with the executive order.

00:39:57.720 Because there's a lot that can be cut.

00:40:00.300 I mean, gee, I don't know.

00:40:02.060 We're a few hundred billion dollars away from being able to save on the deficit and pass

00:40:07.200 this bill.

00:40:07.820 I don't know.

00:40:08.340 Department of Education, where are the keys?

00:40:10.480 You can't do that by executive order, though.

00:40:12.600 No, no, no.

00:40:13.020 I'm saying Congress.

00:40:14.200 Yeah, Congress, go for it. 0.99

00:40:15.400 Oh, we can't do it in the bill because we can't pass it with just 50 because there's

00:40:19.680 not enough.

00:40:20.120 Where are the keys to the Department of Education?

00:40:24.300 But, you know, I'd just like to see them right now.

00:40:26.460 Let's put them in the pile.

00:40:28.120 Na, na, na, na.

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