The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Josh Rogin & Terri Trobiani

00:00:00.000 Hey, it's a great show today. You don't want to miss a second of it.

00:00:03.020 We talk about the Fauci insanity with the mask, talk a little bit about the banking sector,

00:00:08.940 and we dip our toe into the waters of high tech and what the government is doing with high tech.

00:00:17.660 As we talked a little bit about the Capitol hearing, this ridiculous hearing with Adam Schiff

00:00:25.800 asking the questions in Washington, D.C. about January 6th, we also give you a warning on

00:00:32.660 something that happened today with Simone Biles that I think is worth hearing.

00:00:39.100 That's all coming up on today's podcast.

00:00:48.560 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:00:55.800 We have the owner of Gianelli's Drive Thru.

00:01:01.180 This is a business up in Illinois that's been in business for a long time.

00:01:07.840 Terry Trobiani is the owner of it, and he's just been cited for flying the American flag.

00:01:17.180 The city doesn't like the fact that he has flags out front, and he's not going to stop flying the American flag.

00:01:24.580 Terry, welcome to the program.

00:01:27.080 Good morning, Glenn.

00:01:27.900 Glad to be here.

00:01:28.780 Yeah, thank you.

00:01:29.480 So what exactly is going on in your town?

00:01:32.880 They told you to take down your flag and your blue line flag, right?

00:01:38.580 Why?

00:01:39.260 Well, it's very interesting.

00:01:41.480 We've been fighting.

00:01:42.620 I'm not going to get into the past history, but the city has restrictions on temporary flags,

00:01:48.260 banners, A-frames, feather banners.

00:01:50.720 They don't want any kind of signage blowing in front of your property, which, you know, for a small business,

00:01:55.260 that's actually, that's what you need to promote your business.

00:01:58.060 So what happened on the 4th of July weekend was I had an A-frame sign out saying that here's the name of the restaurant.

00:02:03.440 We have drive-thru, carry-out, dine-in, our phone number.

00:02:06.220 And behind that, I had a row of American flags.

00:02:08.900 It was the 4th of July weekend.

00:02:10.080 So at the same time, we were requesting a variance on our A-frame.

00:02:14.260 Well, the village went in and obviously denied it five to nothing because they don't want anything.

00:02:18.400 So I left the American flags out because, according to their ordinance, the American flag is ornamental,

00:02:23.560 and as long as you're flying the flags during a national or federal holiday, ornamentation should be permitted.

00:02:28.880 So I left the flags out.

00:02:30.400 Well, the day after the 4th of July, they walk in.

00:02:32.220 The village administrator walks in, and he says, you know, you might be violating the flag code with the flags.

00:02:36.980 I said, well, why would I be doing that?

00:02:38.160 I read the flag code pretty much in compliance.

00:02:41.320 No, he handed me a brochure, and I could quickly, just two sentences, said, you might be violating these two areas.

00:02:47.640 The flags should be displayed only on permanent flagpoles or staff specifically constructed for flag display.

00:02:55.360 And secondly, flagpoles should be within 15 feet of the curb.

00:02:58.400 I said, okay, well, I read that.

00:02:59.540 I'm not in violation.

00:03:00.720 He said, maybe you should read them again.

00:03:02.240 I said, I'm pretty intelligent.

00:03:04.040 Those are one sentences.

00:03:05.320 I interpreted them.

00:03:06.080 I'm not in violation.

00:03:06.800 Well, the next morning, the police officer walked in, handed me two tickets, and said the flags need to come out of the ground.

00:03:13.180 I asked for an explanation.

00:03:14.580 No one gave me an explanation.

00:03:15.800 Read the brochure that the village administrator brought in.

00:03:18.600 I said, okay, we're going through this again.

00:03:19.960 I can read.

00:03:21.060 Apparently, what's happened here is, and I could not immediately decipher it from the letter that they gave me,

00:03:26.340 but apparently what's happened is that the village of Prairie Grove has classified the American flag as a sign and have taken away the symbol of the American flag.

00:03:35.000 So as a sign, it falls under their temporary sign ordinance, which prohibits any flying or any positioning of any signs on your property.

00:03:43.920 So now this includes the American flag.

00:03:46.540 And what they did also in this pamphlet, which, again, I wasn't looking for, but I kind of interpreted later,

00:03:52.400 is the only way that I could fly an American flag on my property is if I put it on a permanent 20 to 30 foot flagpole, which they have to permit.

00:04:00.840 So what they're doing is they're denying me my rights under the U.S. flag code and my civil rights acts and being able to fly the American flag any way I want.

00:04:11.000 I should be able to wake up in the morning and say, oh, I'm really having a great day.

00:04:14.200 I'm going to stick a flag in my front wall.

00:04:16.220 Nope, I can't do that.

00:04:17.100 I have to put concrete in the floor and build a permanent flagpole.

00:04:21.420 So now the village is dancing.

00:04:23.240 They're saying, well, we love the American flag.

00:04:25.400 We never said we can't fly the flag.

00:04:28.700 I get my questions back to them where, well, since all this has been going on, no one's come back to me and say, well, maybe we misinterpreted something.

00:04:34.860 Let's put it in the ground.

00:04:36.540 No one's gone there.

00:04:38.060 What they've done is they gave me two tickets, which I call the village to pay.

00:04:43.400 And the lawyer informed me that they're not going to accept my $200 unless I sign a letter that says I have violated the sign ordinance.

00:04:51.740 And then I sign a subsequent letter, which says I will never, ever in the future, I guess, as long as I live.

00:04:57.660 When did that policy come in?

00:05:00.180 You're given a ticket.

00:05:01.500 Now you have to do something that Mao had the Chinese dissidents do?

00:05:09.640 I mean, you now have to.

00:05:12.280 I guess.

00:05:13.780 I mean, I didn't finish on the subsequent letter, but I need to sign that letter.

00:05:17.500 It says I will not ever violate a sign ordinance.

00:05:19.940 And I said, well, the sign ordinance that you interpret, like, why would I sign that?

00:05:24.260 So I said, you know what?

00:05:25.000 Draw that letter up.

00:05:25.880 I'm inquisitive.

00:05:27.260 Sign the letter up.

00:05:27.940 I'd like to see the verbiage on it.

00:05:29.680 No, we're not going to do that.

00:05:31.320 You need to agree on the phone now, immediately, to agree to the letter with our attorney.

00:05:35.840 And then we will take the time to put the letter together so you can sign it.

00:05:39.200 Well, a few expletives later, I told them what to do with the letter.

00:05:46.080 So where does this stand now?

00:05:47.960 I mean, I don't understand.

00:05:49.300 It's a little small town, right?

00:05:51.880 1,904 people.

00:05:53.160 Yeah.

00:05:54.260 So is it just all crazy lefties that, you know, look at the flag and say, that's just

00:06:01.120 a Republican sign? 0.87

00:06:03.260 Or what is going on?

00:06:06.680 I didn't think so.

00:06:08.720 I know you've done your homework.

00:06:10.060 This is McHenry County.

00:06:11.120 McHenry County is one of the reddest states in Illinois.

00:06:15.600 I mean, we are Trumpers.

00:06:17.500 He won by 7,000 votes out here.

00:06:19.080 But there are people who go, and I think the case is that they appear to be independents,

00:06:25.260 and we know where that goes.

00:06:26.960 So we don't know what side they're on.

00:06:30.400 I mean, I was on a Dana Perino show yesterday, and she caught a whim of my blue flag, and she

00:06:36.260 made a comment.

00:06:37.220 And I've had these two flags up.

00:06:39.120 Now they're accusing me that, oh, you're putting the American flag up to draw attention to your

00:06:42.860 business.

00:06:43.160 And my response to that was, well, I built this development.

00:06:47.900 And when I built this building on day one, when I opened the doors, I put the American

00:06:51.560 flag on one pole.

00:06:52.800 I put a blue line and red light flag on the other pole.

00:06:55.620 And I had been flying.

00:06:56.740 I had been working this business from day one with the American flag flying outside my

00:07:00.220 establishment.

00:07:01.260 And apparently, in July of 2021, I'm now really only doing that to draw business into my

00:07:06.940 business, which is ridiculous.

00:07:08.880 They're dancing. 0.90

00:07:09.700 I think they know where they've gone.

00:07:13.580 They don't care.

00:07:15.480 Yesterday, an attorney and a police officer came into my restaurant and tried to tell me

00:07:20.420 that we called to settle the case, and they were there to work on settling with me.

00:07:23.500 And I just told the police officer, please ask your organization out of my business.

00:07:27.520 We never called you.

00:07:28.980 I'm being represented by an attorney.

00:07:31.340 Tell your attorney if he doesn't know that they should get another attorney.

00:07:35.540 So please take them out of here, walk out, or don't ever talk to me again.

00:07:38.640 And since then, my lawyer has sent them a letter explaining that.

00:07:42.420 So they don't want any signage.

00:07:47.480 And this is not pertaining to our discussion specifically, but they don't want any signage

00:07:52.420 on the road.

00:07:52.860 I can't put an open sign, a sign that says, you know, carry out, dine in, drive through.

00:07:56.920 COVID was tough.

00:07:58.300 You know, we're in the restaurant business.

00:07:59.860 COVID was tough on us.

00:08:01.620 We succeeded.

00:08:02.820 We made it through.

00:08:04.220 And we cut a lot of things.

00:08:05.840 We never cut an employee.

00:08:06.840 We paid all our employees.

00:08:08.520 I didn't take a paycheck for a year to keep our employees online because it was that important

00:08:12.980 to me to keep things going.

00:08:14.900 And, you know, you fight for a year and you beat a pandemic.

00:08:19.940 And then you've got this little municipality with five trustees and a president who just

00:08:26.740 have no respect for small business.

00:08:28.280 And right now what I see is they have no respect for the republic.

00:08:30.520 And the United States going after me with a flag.

00:08:33.760 I think it's terrible.

00:08:35.160 The direction that government in all levels have taken us to this point is it's despicable.

00:08:41.780 Glenn, I have 25 to 30 phone calls a day from all over the United States.

00:08:48.800 Army vets, you name it.

00:08:51.160 People calling me saying you stick to your guns.

00:08:53.760 Do not let them overrun you.

00:08:55.440 This is the American flag.

00:08:56.660 You fly it proud.

00:08:58.340 You fly it high.

00:09:00.480 I don't even know these people.

00:09:02.320 And I'm getting calls all day.

00:09:04.200 It's disruptive to my business because we run a restaurant.

00:09:06.880 But I love it.

00:09:07.880 I mean, I'm feeding on it.

00:09:08.920 Like, I can't believe there's all these people coming out of the woodwork to defend this flag.

00:09:14.900 It's really nice to see that happening on a daily basis.

00:09:19.120 Terry, I appreciate it.

00:09:20.540 We'll watch your story.

00:09:21.780 Terry, tell me when is the next date of something that's supposed to happen?

00:09:27.400 You go into court or do you have any idea?

00:09:30.580 Yeah, I have a court.

00:09:31.440 I do.

00:09:32.000 I have a court date.

00:09:32.660 I was given a court date with the tickets.

00:09:34.140 The court date is August 25th at 1.30.

00:09:36.100 They're holding it at the Village Hall.

00:09:37.760 They're not even bringing it to municipal court.

00:09:39.240 I actually go into kangaroo court where they hire a judicary lawyer who they're going to pay to be a judge.

00:09:46.240 And I said, this is going to be fair.

00:09:48.580 You know, I don't even know what I'm walking into.

00:09:50.280 I have two tickets.

00:09:51.360 I just want to pay them and go away.

00:09:52.900 So I don't even know what I'm going to court for.

00:09:54.960 I mean, are they going to reprimand me?

00:09:56.540 Are they going to feather and tire me?

00:09:58.540 I don't know.

00:10:00.340 We'll check back with you after the court hearing.

00:10:04.760 Thanks, Terry.

00:10:05.360 Appreciate it.

00:10:05.960 Okay.

00:10:06.300 All right.

00:10:06.740 Bye-bye.

00:10:07.180 I appreciate your time.

00:10:10.780 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:10:20.280 Josh Rogan is with us.

00:10:23.900 He's the author of Chaos Under Heaven and a columnist with the Washington Post.

00:10:28.560 Now, I'm not going to hold that against him.

00:10:31.180 Uh, but, uh, he has, uh, he has been on this Rand Paul, uh, Fauci debate, and I'm not hearing anybody telling the truth in the mainstream media.

00:10:43.900 Josh is trying to change all that.

00:10:45.560 Hello, Josh.

00:10:46.080 How are you?

00:10:47.440 Hey, Glenn.

00:10:47.920 Great to be back with you.

00:10:48.900 Thank you.

00:10:49.260 So, so, so, how is this not an open and shut case with Dr. Fauci?

00:10:56.760 Well, you know, we've spent a year and a half placing Anthony Fauci on this pedestal and venerating him as a deity, and so when he gets into the five-minute shouting match with Rand Paul, it's very easy for everyone to just write the story that Fauci got vanquished by Rand Paul without actually listening to what these two men were saying and seeing which one makes the most sense.

00:11:16.700 Just follow the issue of what Anthony Fauci has been doing in terms of throwing cold water on the lab leak theory and avoiding congressional oversight of the NIH's relationships with these Wuhan labs, then you can understand why people like Rand Paul and lots of other people, including lots of scientists, think Fauci is playing a double game here.

00:11:38.460 That he's using his authority and his popularity and his ability to have the Democratic Party in Congress come to his defense every time he gets into one of these scuffles to distract us from the real issue.

00:11:53.560 And the real issue is that the NIH, and not just the NIH, and USAID and the Pentagon and all of these other U.S. agencies were doing work funneling American taxpayer money and know-how to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:12:07.180 And now that the pandemic broke out on the doorstep of the lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology has told us all to go pound sand.

00:12:14.280 And how can that be, and why were we doing all of this collaboration, and do you still want to do this collaboration with a bunch of Chinese labs that won't even let us into the lab when the crisis breaks out? 0.65

00:12:25.720 And you don't even have to believe that the lab leak theory is true to understand that people like Anthony Fauci, who were the head of this collaboration, who promoted this collaboration, whether you call it gain-of-function or you don't call it gain-of-function, that's kind of a word game.

00:12:39.120 We can get into that if you want to. But the bottom line is that's a red herring, because Fauci was in charge of overseeing this collaboration, and he failed in that fiduciary responsibility.

00:12:49.660 It's obvious, because now when we're trying to get into the lab to investigate the greatest pandemic in human history, they won't even open the lab to us. 0.95

00:12:56.800 So what are we, schmucks? We want to give them more money when they tell us we can't even go into the lab to do the investigation? 0.94

00:13:02.920 That's what Anthony Fauci is arguing for, and that seems crazy to me.

00:13:05.840 Josh, can we go into the word games here being played with gain-of-function for a minute?

00:13:10.100 Because it does appear to, I think, the average person looking at this, that Anthony Fauci is just playing semantics here.

00:13:18.960 He's, I mean, the documents literally say gain-of-function on them, and he's trying to make this argument that it's obvious it is not gain-of-function.

00:13:28.380 How do we navigate this path?

00:13:31.600 Right, sure. So, you know, again, I think it is a word game, but it's worth parsing out, because it's confusing to everyone.

00:13:39.040 You know, what we know is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was doing work to modify back coronaviruses in ways that made them more transmissible and more dangerous to human beings, okay?

00:13:50.140 And that's what they published. That's what they admitted to. That's not even in dispute.

00:13:53.880 Now, to Rand Paul and to me and to you, if you're gaining the function of a virus, well, how could that not be gain-of-function?

00:14:01.080 And what Fauci's game here is, is that he's pointing to a specific definition that the NIH uses to determine whether or not they should submit this gain-of-function research to their own review body.

00:14:12.180 In other words, is it risky enough to warrant another level of review?

00:14:15.500 But what's funny about that, I mean, not ha-ha funny, but kind of ironic funny, is that that definition was written by the NIH and Anthony Fauci.

00:14:22.580 In other words, he crafted a definition to exclude all of the research that he was in charge of, and so then he built an oversight mechanism and then never used it, okay?

00:14:33.780 They built an entire oversight mechanism, review board, after the Obama administration paused the gain-of-function research, because it's risky, because lab accidents happen all the time.

00:14:44.080 And they turned it back on, and Anthony Fauci was instrumental in turning it back on inside the government during the Trump administration, when the Trump officials weren't paying attention.

00:14:53.100 And then he wrote the definition and designed the oversight system so it was never used, okay?

00:14:58.280 And then when the bat coronavirus pandemic breaks out on the doorstep of the bat coronavirus lab, and everyone's like, hey, Anthony Fauci, can we take a look at your documents? 0.99

00:15:07.080 And by the way, he says, no, I won't even give my documents over.

00:15:11.400 And then, by the way, do you think now that perhaps you should have reviewed this risky research?

00:15:17.120 So you could make, in other words, it's going to be tough to prosecute Anthony Fauci for lying, because in his mind he's telling the truth.

00:15:25.120 But the point is that he's bragging about a loophole that he created.

00:15:28.860 He built a loophole into the system, then he walked through the loophole, and then he uses it to defend himself.

00:15:34.740 And that is probably a good defense against perjury, but it's not a good defense against, hey, why were you doing all this risky research with all these Chinese labs that tell us to go pound sand when there's a pandemic there? 0.88

00:15:44.320 It's like having a cheating husband and having the cheating husband design what cheating is.

00:15:49.180 And he says, well, massage parlors aren't cheating, right?

00:15:52.480 Like, well, okay, I mean, but you designed the rules that amount to cheating, so of course you're not going to break them.

00:16:01.800 Right, or it's like, I always like to say it's like, you know, having, you know, Robert Kardashian judge OJ, okay?

00:16:10.000 Doesn't mean that Robert Kardashian is not like a great lawyer, but he's got a conflict of interest because he's friends with OJ, okay?

00:16:15.480 And that's what I'm getting to here is that Anthony Fauci, by the way, if you read the New York Times yesterday, is preparing to ask Congress for billions of dollars more to expand risky virus research to every kind of virus there is, influenza, you name it, okay?

00:16:30.700 That's his project.

00:16:31.640 That's his endgame.

00:16:32.540 He gave an interview in the New York Times where he said the pandemic shows we have to spend billions, billions more digging up viruses all over the world, taking them back to labs.

00:16:40.040 Now, you know, on CNN, on Sunday, Jake Tapper asked Anthony Fauci, do you still think it's a good idea to do business with these Wuhan labs that we can't even get into?

00:16:48.780 And he said, don't worry, we've always been safe, we'll continue to be safe.

00:16:52.900 In essence, he's saying, trust me, okay?

00:16:54.900 And that doesn't, when you know this, Glenn, when a public official says, trust me, that's when you know something's fishy, that's when you know you have to install some oversight.

00:17:04.360 So my point is that we can't have a system where the doctors and scientists oversee the doctors and scientists because they don't understand national security, and they definitely don't understand what's going on in China now, which is the big, bigger scope of my book, which is that, yeah.

00:17:18.820 No, go ahead.

00:17:19.560 Finish your thought.

00:17:20.240 Which is that, you know, these scientists in China may be very nice people, but they're not in control.

00:17:26.580 They live in a totalitarian dictatorship that's becoming more aggressive and more repressive, and that means us harm, and that if you understand China, you understand that they're not doing open science anymore, and that they've taken all of our money and know-how and built another part of the lab where they've worked with the Chinese military to do whatever they want to do with those viruses outside of our purview. 0.66

00:17:45.620 That's what the Trump administration revealed.

00:17:47.440 That's what the Biden administration has confirmed, as that U.S. intelligence shows.

00:17:51.880 They took us, okay?

00:17:53.680 They took all of our help, and then they built the other part of the lab to build something that was aimed at us.

00:18:01.400 That's what military bioresearch is.

00:18:03.580 We have a program.

00:18:04.380 They have a program.

00:18:05.320 Now, the question is, going forward, do we want to continue to fund and build their military bioresearch program?

00:18:10.680 Is that a good idea, especially when they won't even let us into the city that the pandemic broke out into?

00:18:16.240 That seems crazy to me, but that's what Fauci is explicitly advocating for.

00:18:20.000 So how did we miss the fact that the guy who's running this lab is a former, I think, general, at least in the Communist Party army, and his job was bioweapons?

00:18:35.900 You know, what happened was, for the first year of this pandemic, and Glenn, I know you know this well, we couldn't even talk about the Wuhan labs.

00:18:44.100 You were called racists or conspiracy theorists for even uttering the word Wuhan lab.

00:18:48.600 And I know this because I got attacked all the time, and many people like me.

00:18:52.420 And the problem, of course, was that the reason that that was considered a conspiracy theorist theory was because the friends of the lab, including Peter Daszak at the EcoHealth Alliance and lots of other friends of Anthony Fauci, you know, put out a bunch of scientific papers saying the lab was totally impossible, and you're a racist, a conspiracy theorist if you mention the lab.

00:19:10.560 So that's why for a year, we couldn't even have a rational conversation.

00:19:14.240 We still can't have a rational conversation in a Senate hearing about how we got into this mess, about how the pandemic that killed 400, 4 million people and 630,000 Americans started, which is crucial information, by the way, for preventing the next one.

00:19:27.640 In other words, if we don't figure out how this started, how are we going to prevent the next one?

00:19:31.020 Do you want to do this every year?

00:19:32.460 So the fact that in Wuhan they have a bioweapons program, bioresearch program with the military is not really a shocking thing to say after all, because of course they do, because we have one, they have one. 0.90

00:19:45.640 That's what you do if you're a big country, you have a bioweapons research program. 0.54

00:19:49.180 But the fact that that was also may have been linked to or they may have taken our know-how from our government-funded projects, that's a big problem.

00:19:58.260 That's a big, scary thing to think about.

00:20:00.280 It has implications for the entire industry of scientific collaboration, and that's Anthony Fauci's industry.

00:20:06.420 He's the head of that, a part of that industry.

00:20:08.860 So lots of big, powerful interests here are getting upset just by the idea of getting to the truth of this.

00:20:15.040 And that's not even talking about the Chinese government cover-up.

00:20:17.820 They're covering up the lab.

00:20:18.860 There's a reason they're covering up the lab.

00:20:20.420 They don't want people to look through their bioweapons program. 0.79

00:20:22.820 Why would they want that?

00:20:24.100 You know, so they've got a real problem here, too.

00:20:26.820 So it's very easy for the Biden administration to just do a 90-day intelligence review and then come out and say, well, we couldn't figure it out.

00:20:33.500 Oh, well, you know, let's all go on with our days.

00:20:35.740 But that's a very dangerous path to go down.

00:20:37.860 That's what Anthony Fauci would like us to do.

00:20:39.560 He'd like us to say, oh, that's his new line.

00:20:41.800 Oh, well, I don't know what's going on in China.

00:20:43.760 But, you know, we're never going to find out.

00:20:46.400 So what are you going to do?

00:20:47.900 But that's the problem is that we don't know what's going on in China.

00:20:50.600 Why is he funding these labs if we can't know what's going on inside them?

00:20:54.100 That seems to me to be the biggest, the easiest thing we can solve, whether the lab leak theory is true or not.

00:20:59.820 Any justice going to be done on Fauci?

00:21:02.460 Is anyone going to follow up on this?

00:21:04.280 Will he be held accountable for anything?

00:21:08.300 Well, here's the thing.

00:21:09.120 Right now, we have several congressional investigations trying to get the documents, not just, again, from Fauci, but from USAID.

00:21:15.460 Why won't Anthony Blinken hand over the documents?

00:21:17.560 Samantha Power, Francis Collins of the NIH.

00:21:20.240 There are Pentagon documents about tens of millions of dollars that the Pentagon, the U.S. Pentagon, gave to the EcoHealth Alliance that went to these Wuhan labs.

00:21:28.720 We need all of that stuff.

00:21:29.940 Well, the reason it's not happening is because no Democrats are on board.

00:21:32.300 Why would the Pentagon want to fund that if it wasn't gain of research?

00:21:39.120 Or, you know, gain of function?

00:21:41.600 The Defense Threat Reduction Agency gave millions of dollars to the EcoHealth Alliance, and some of that went to the Wuhan labs. 0.73

00:21:48.960 They were trying to, you know, cooperate with China's bio-research program, which now looks kind of crazy.

00:21:56.780 Now it looks kind of, they didn't know that, but now we know that.

00:21:58.820 The question is, what are we going to do going forward, and how can we even know what to do if those documents all remain secret?

00:22:04.920 So we need at least one Democratic committee chairman to threaten to use the subpoena power to get those documents that are in the hands of the U.S. government.

00:22:12.660 It's our stuff.

00:22:13.560 They need to release our intelligence.

00:22:15.100 We don't need the Chinese Communist Party to give us permission to investigate.

00:22:19.060 You wouldn't ask O.J. for permission to investigate O.J., would you?

00:22:22.980 No, you would just use your powers and influence to do the investigation, whether the defendant likes it or not.

00:22:28.800 The Chinese government is not going to like it, and Democrats don't want to risk upsetting the U.S.-China relationship.

00:22:34.220 But I say, if you don't risk upsetting the delicate sensibilities of the Chinese Communist Party to figure out the death of 630,000 Americans, what would you risk it for?

00:22:43.840 What could be more important?

00:22:45.140 What could be more crucial to our national security and our public health?

00:22:48.880 Talking to Josh Rogan, his book, Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, Xi, and the battle for the 21st century.

00:22:54.320 And Josh, I want to focus on the last part here for a second.

00:22:56.500 You look at China and what's happened over the past just few years, where they're cracking down on capitalists, businessmen are disappearing.

00:23:06.880 They're cracking down on crypto and removing that from the country, obviously expanding the Uyghurs and all the problems there, the issues with Hong Kong and the way that that has changed. 1.00

00:23:17.640 It just strikes me as there is a massive change in the way this country is dealing with the world.

00:23:25.300 Over just the past few years, we've always thought of China as a threat and there's problems there.

00:23:30.040 We've never agreed with them on human rights and all these things.

00:23:33.080 Am I correct to detect a real change, though, in momentum and direction over the past couple of years?

00:23:39.080 Absolutely.

00:23:39.780 I like to refer to it as the great leap backward.

00:23:42.240 You know, it's clear that Xi Jinping, in his first couple of years, when he came in in 2013, said about consolidating power,

00:23:48.500 purging all of his rivals under a false corruption, anti-corruption plan, shutting down freedoms, building concentration camps.

00:23:57.560 And once he had all that in place, he turned his focus to the rest of the world.

00:24:01.040 And that's a big part of the book, is how the Chinese Communist Party has expanded its interference and influence in free and open societies, especially ours,

00:24:09.140 how they've sought to influence our schools and our markets and our tech companies and our sports and our Hollywood movies

00:24:15.980 and how all the various institutions of U.S. society have been slow to react to that reality.

00:24:23.020 But they're waking up to it now as, you know, the pandemic ravages the whole world and we see what China's power really looks like. 0.99

00:24:31.300 And I think that awakening is happening in other countries as they're getting blackmailed about for Chinese vaccines

00:24:37.080 or told that their companies can't do business in China unless they ignore the genocide or ignore the crackdown in Hong Kong.

00:24:44.800 And yet here in America, our Justice Department is dismissing, you know, all of the Chinese military spies that were in our in our institutions.

00:24:55.860 We're just a missing a dismissing the charges, not not continuing with an investigation and setting them free.

00:25:01.800 I mean, yeah, I think the. Go ahead.

00:25:05.620 I think the Biden I think the Biden administration is torn, right?

00:25:08.620 There are some people who want to continue the Trump policy of standing up to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:25:12.680 And there are some people who think that, you know, targeting Chinese researchers was racist or wrong.

00:25:18.100 But the fact is that if you're a Chinese researcher who hid their affiliation with the Chinese military,

00:25:23.460 you've broken U.S. law and you deserve to be prosecuted full stop.

00:25:27.380 And what the suspicion is, is that they did that in advance of Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman's visit to Beijing yesterday,

00:25:33.820 where she traveled all the way, not to Beijing, to Taijin,

00:25:36.480 where she traveled all the way to China only to have the Chinese Communist Party officials tell her to go screw herself. 0.99

00:25:43.540 And and she had to travel all the way back with nothing.

00:25:45.740 What they did was they humiliated the U.S. government by pretending that they were going to have an open dialogue

00:25:51.600 and then just spreading a bunch of their propaganda.

00:25:53.720 And what that shows us is that Xi Jinping sees this not as China rising, but as China risen.

00:26:00.180 And the Chinese Communist Party is becoming more totalitarian, more fascist, more nationalistic, more aggressive, more repressive.

00:26:08.760 It's all going in one direction. And it's really, really dangerous.

00:26:12.780 Now, that doesn't mean that we have to go to war right now.

00:26:15.420 It means we have to avoid the war by confronting these problems before they get worse.

00:26:20.960 And that's what the challenge is going forward.

00:26:24.160 And that's not a partisan challenge. That's for all Americans and really all people around the world.

00:26:28.380 Thank you so much, Josh Rogan from Washington Post.

00:26:32.720 Thank you for being on with us.

00:26:34.740 We will probably have you on early and often about China as they they have risen.

00:26:40.460 And I think we're already with ones and zeros at war with them. 0.84

00:26:48.220 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:26:54.180 I've got a big charity weekend coming up on Friday.

00:26:59.160 I'm going to be Friday morning broadcasting from St. George, one of the most beautiful towns you've ever seen.

00:27:06.380 Quick conservatives flock to St. George, buy a place in St. George because all these California people are going to move in and they're going to destroy this great little town.

00:27:17.440 Anyway, I'm going to be there not saying things like that on Friday to encourage people to rise up.

00:27:25.560 Last year, Operation Underground Railroad had a campaign to rise up for children and stand against sex slaves and trafficking, human trafficking and just slaves in general.

00:27:41.280 I don't know. I think it's something we can all do.

00:27:43.880 Everybody is, you know, wanting to get out in the streets.

00:27:47.280 This is one thing that we can all agree on.

00:27:49.760 So rise up this Friday.

00:27:52.580 You can go to Operation Underground Railroad and find out more details.

00:27:56.560 But I'm going to be there in St. George in the morning with them all day with Tim Ballard.

00:28:02.700 I think Lewis houses is going to be there as well.

00:28:06.020 And then at night we'll be flying into Salt Lake to Thanksgiving point at Electric Park.

00:28:13.560 And they've got a big concert going on.

00:28:15.820 And I don't know why they invited me to that.

00:28:18.640 I mean, I can't imagine a big concert and then me coming out and going, hey, everybody, let me tell you a story.

00:28:25.000 I don't think that's going to go well.

00:28:27.080 When you want to have fun, you always invite Glenn.

00:28:29.540 You always invite me.

00:28:30.340 Yeah, that's no.

00:28:30.760 But you have said as soon as I leave, the parties get good.

00:28:35.320 Yeah, because people people sort of save up the fun they would have had at the party when you're there.

00:28:40.200 Yeah.

00:28:40.400 And then they double it on the back end.

00:28:42.000 Right.

00:28:42.360 So, yeah, it can get.

00:28:43.360 So it's going to get crazy after I leave.

00:28:45.320 It's going to get crazy.

00:28:46.300 Which should be about six minutes after you're off stage.

00:28:48.860 Thank you very much.

00:28:50.080 You can get your tickets at our rescue dot org slash rise up.

00:28:55.200 We'll see you there.

00:28:56.340 Then on Saturday, I am having my my art show and and gallery sale.

00:29:03.880 Now, I want you to know that everything that I sell on Saturday, all of it is going to Hunter Biden's blow.

00:29:10.600 Well, no, I didn't think.

00:29:13.220 No, I know.

00:29:13.860 I wasn't thinking about that.

00:29:15.700 No, I know.

00:29:16.560 Sorry.

00:29:18.000 Preservation of American history through Mercury one.

00:29:22.060 So much better cause.

00:29:23.320 Yeah.

00:29:23.520 Cocaine for cocaine for a day.

00:29:25.980 That.

00:29:26.660 Right. 0.96

00:29:26.920 And if he doesn't have a hooker, you know, if I can't afford it, is it you get to the point 0.99

00:29:31.240 where you're Hunter Biden just drugs. 0.94

00:29:33.740 Yeah. 0.95

00:29:34.020 Where are the hookers along with the rights? 1.00

00:29:36.680 There's that's there's just no. 0.55

00:29:37.700 And where's the cash from China?

00:29:39.320 Right. 0.99

00:29:39.720 I need to be bathing in cash from China while doing blow off a hooker's belly. 1.00

00:29:44.440 That's how it works. 0.99

00:29:45.240 That's a Friday night.

00:29:46.180 And that's that's more like a Tuesday night for Hunter.

00:29:50.620 Friday gets a lot crazier.

00:29:53.160 But it's a Tuesday.

00:29:55.380 What's a Thursday night like?

00:29:57.040 I don't want to go into that.

00:29:58.240 That's bad.

00:29:59.420 The cocaine and hookers is actually more like a Tuesday brunch for Hunter.

00:30:06.420 At this point.

00:30:07.520 And that's why you need to sell paintings for five hundred thousand dollars.

00:30:10.460 Yours will be a little cheaper than a little cheaper, a little cheaper, but cheap again.

00:30:14.780 I'm not saying that this would happen, but, you know, anybody who buys my painting might,

00:30:20.900 you know, might have the opportunity to.

00:30:23.260 To meet my dad.

00:30:24.300 Now, my dad has been dead for, I don't know, about almost 10 years now.

00:30:28.900 Yeah.

00:30:29.180 So it's going to be a kind of a grisly thing to meet him.

00:30:32.640 But if that's what gets you to buy a painting, I'm fine.

00:30:35.160 It's all the money's going to charity.

00:30:38.060 These are great, though, by the way.

00:30:39.120 You can see them on your Instagram page, right?

00:30:40.620 I mean, I do.

00:30:41.980 I will say every time I go to your Instagram page and you're showing off your art, I think

00:30:45.100 to myself, is he actually talented at something?

00:30:49.140 How did this happen?

00:30:50.140 I don't understand how it occurred.

00:30:52.280 It's crazy, isn't it?

00:30:53.540 They're really great.

00:30:55.100 I don't know how you.

00:30:56.140 I feel like.

00:30:57.280 Is it possible?

00:30:57.720 Well, you suffered through the years and years and years of just bad art.

00:31:01.760 No, you've always been pretty, pretty talented in that realm, though.

00:31:05.160 You've improved.

00:31:06.160 I mean, even.

00:31:07.600 It's amazing what lessons will do.

00:31:09.360 Yeah.

00:31:09.640 Yeah.

00:31:10.280 You struggle your whole life and you're like, I don't have any idea what I'm doing.

00:31:13.740 And when I finally hired this teacher, she said, you haven't even tried watching YouTube?

00:31:22.860 And I'm like, no, no.

00:31:25.620 She's like, you know, you can learn a lot of this on YouTube. 0.99

00:31:28.280 And I'm like, shut up. 0.99

00:31:29.960 You're wasting money. 1.00

00:31:31.480 Let's go.

00:31:32.000 Let's go.

00:31:32.460 Teach.

00:31:32.820 Don't talk through the lesson.

00:31:34.440 Don't mock me and ridicule me.

00:31:37.880 Which she still does for about 10 minutes before we start and usually afterwards. 0.89

00:31:41.800 She's like, well, that went well.

00:31:44.820 She's actually she's actually she's been she's unbelievable.

00:31:50.620 Unbelievable.

00:31:51.200 A good teacher can accelerate anything.

00:31:56.260 Oh, certainly.

00:31:57.060 This is why every wife back in the day used to say, why don't you ask for directions? 0.94

00:32:01.440 You know, I think that's entirely different.

00:32:04.640 You know what we did?

00:32:05.280 Ladies, we invented GPS. 1.00

00:32:07.280 That's what we did.

00:32:08.040 OK, we put satellites in space.

00:32:09.840 So we didn't have to stop at a gas station.

00:32:12.040 Yeah.

00:32:13.260 As we look at the one the one woman who is in the actual studio, poor Sarah, every time

00:32:17.980 we say something about a woman, she's just the representative. 0.93

00:32:20.540 Sorry, Sarah.

00:32:21.520 We're just yelling at her through the glass.

00:32:23.240 Yeah.

00:32:23.380 Now let me tell you.

00:32:24.300 Now let me tell you about Nancy Pelosi and Lynn Cheney.

00:32:28.440 We hold you responsible.

00:32:29.420 By the way, did you hear about the guy that the New York doctor who met this wonderful

00:32:37.960 woman? 0.96

00:32:39.780 He's he's young.

00:32:41.840 He's handsome.

00:32:43.820 You know, he's got a lot of money.

00:32:45.880 He very successful.

00:32:47.960 New York City.

00:32:49.120 He meets this this woman.

00:32:51.620 She's a former Miss Connecticut, USA, and she had gone to school.

00:32:58.120 I don't remember where she went to school, but she went to school.

00:33:01.820 She was majoring in chemistry.

00:33:06.720 And so she had her chemistry.

00:33:09.580 I don't know what the hell.

00:33:10.900 I mean, I don't know what you do with that.

00:33:12.140 What do you what do you do?

00:33:13.200 Is that like a mixologist?

00:33:14.420 I think this is how Breaking Bad started.

00:33:16.360 I think so.

00:33:16.940 Yeah, that's how it ends up.

00:33:18.220 Well, it kind of ends that way.

00:33:19.900 Yeah, she didn't go to college.

00:33:22.160 She didn't even graduate from high school.

00:33:24.140 She was Miss Connecticut, USA, but that's it. 1.00

00:33:29.220 In fact, she was a hooker and still is a hooker. 1.00

00:33:35.040 And they got married and she said, I'm just working on I'm working on an app right now 0.95

00:33:43.780 with some people and it causes me to have to go places and I'm going to be doing stuff

00:33:48.680 and because she all of a sudden had like five hundred grand in her bank account.

00:33:54.340 I'm just working on, you know, this algorithm.

00:33:57.700 I'm working a lot.

00:33:59.840 Apparently, I mean, I don't know what the rates are these days, but that seems like a lot of

00:34:03.540 a lot of physical activity to get to that.

00:34:05.980 She had a couple of sugar daddies that were kind of like taking care of her. 1.00

00:34:11.100 Ah, you know what I mean?

00:34:11.980 Okay.

00:34:12.520 And so he found out and the guy says, I want to file for divorce.

00:34:19.480 I mean, what's up with that?

00:34:21.520 He doesn't support a working woman.

00:34:24.360 This is this is the sort of sexism that goes on in this country.

00:34:27.160 Amen, brother.

00:34:27.960 Can you imagine finding that out about your wife?

00:34:31.100 No, no, I know.

00:34:32.520 That would be very bad.

00:34:33.300 That would be I feel like disruptive to your your home life.

00:34:38.220 That's what I would.

00:34:39.160 That's how I would describe it.

00:34:40.080 It might be.

00:34:40.980 Yeah, it might be.

00:34:41.980 It might be also the time you go, wow, glad we didn't have children.

00:34:45.780 You know what a mom she would make. 1.00

00:34:48.520 What a mom she would make. 0.99

00:34:51.080 Working hard for the kids.

00:34:52.600 Yes.

00:34:52.940 You know, I only do this so you can have a better life.

00:34:57.560 So you make mommy do that. 1.00

00:34:59.340 You make you mommy does this because you cry.

00:35:03.820 You didn't clean up your room.

00:35:05.340 Look what mommy had to do. 1.00

00:35:11.320 That's what I tell my kids now.

00:35:13.820 Yeah.

00:35:14.380 Dad's an alcoholic only because you cried when you were little.

00:35:17.580 Right.

00:35:18.300 That's the seed of it.

00:35:19.740 You don't understand.

00:35:20.720 You don't understand.

00:35:21.360 Man, I've gone through all of the steps and I got to I think I got to step number three

00:35:28.000 and I'm like, it's the kids and they're crying all the time.

00:35:30.380 It's making me drink.

00:35:31.220 And so I stopped the rest because I got it.

00:35:33.560 I got it.

00:35:34.260 It was the kids that made me drink.

00:35:35.840 Right.

00:35:36.320 And once you find the cause of it, you're able to deal with it a lot better.

00:35:40.380 Right.

00:35:40.640 And you can you can handle your alcoholic.

00:35:42.340 So she I don't know if she has to what she's going to do to handle her her hookerism that she 1.00

00:35:49.460 apparently is addicted to.

00:35:50.900 But apparently this doctor is not going back with her.

00:35:56.420 It's called it's being judgmental.

00:35:58.480 You don't want women in the workforce. 1.00

00:35:59.780 And this is the sexism that's ruined our country. 1.00

00:36:02.740 So she's a sex worker and a secret sex worker. 1.00

00:36:07.880 What? 0.97

00:36:08.380 He's a doctor.

00:36:09.620 They both see people naked.

00:36:13.200 Yes.

00:36:14.260 Yes, they do.

00:36:15.400 Yes, they do.

00:36:16.220 Both work with bodily fluids.

00:36:17.900 Pretty much the same gig.

00:36:18.860 I don't know what you're complaining about, Doc.

00:36:21.320 No, no, no, no.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 27, 2021

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