Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Julio Rosas & Gerald Posner ｜ 8⧸20⧸24
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On today's show, Glenn Beck is joined by Gerald Posner, who is the author of many best selling books on the assassination of John Kennedy, to talk about the Democratic National Convention and the massive protests that took place outside the convention center yesterday.
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We're all politics today. We have covered a lot, starting with the convention and the radicals that
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are outside of the convention, plus the speeches last night, what is coming, and we have Gerald
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. I don't know much how much we pay Julio,
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but I think we should probably pay him a little more. He's in Chicago, and he was in the crowd
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yesterday with the protesters. Julio Rosas, welcome to the program.
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Yeah, thanks for having me, Glenn. You bet. So what did you experience yesterday? We're going to
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roll some of the video that you had taken yesterday, but what did you experience?
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So yesterday was the first official march on the DNC. This is something that a lot of groups have been
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planning for months. They made it very clear that they wanted to disrupt the DNC, or at least try to.
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And so they started at a park a couple blocks away from the United Center. They made their way.
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Things were fine. There wasn't anything crazy happening until they got to a park where the park
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had the security perimeter fencing that goes all around the United Center, which is where the DNC is
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being hosted. And at that point, the police that had been walking alongside them went to the edges of
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the park. And so because of that, the crowd had free access to the perimeter fencing. Probably about
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15 minutes, 15, 30 minutes after the crowd arrived at the park, they started to shake and tear down the
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fence. And I have to be honest, you know, these aren't people who, it doesn't look like a lot of
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these people go to the gym. So I didn't think it'd be possible for them to do that because this is a
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pretty sturdy fencing. But because it is temporary, they were actually able to tear down multiple
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sections of the perimeter fence. And so they were able to get closer to the second fence, which was not
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nearly as durable as the first. And they were trying to tear that down. Police had to come in
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to prevent them from doing that. And probably about 30 minutes after people streamed into the
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breaches, that's when a large contingent of Chicago police came in to force everybody back out. And
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there were at least two arrests that took place there. After people were out, then even more Chicago
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police came in to clear everybody from the park because so much damage was done to the perimeter
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that they needed to secure the area in order to allow people to fix the breaches.
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So what are you expecting to happen? Because when I heard that, you know, they're trying to recreate
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1968, which will go very poorly for the Democrats. And, you know, they had riots on the streets in
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Chicago and police brutality, yada, yada, yada. But it, the American people saw it and they said,
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I don't want any part of any of this stuff. And that could happen again. Do you think that this has
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kind of taught them that there's no way to get in and so they're going to behave or is it going to get
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I mean, I think they view it as a victory. Like I said, the fact that they were able to breach the
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fence in multiple places is pretty significant. I think, I think it's going to be great.
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Some of them to kind of keep doing what they're doing. And so I think it remains to be seen what
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happens. I think the, I think the biggest night for potential disruption and violence is Thursday
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when Vice President Harris officially accepts the nomination because they, they take credit. I mean,
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the pro-Palestinian, pro-Khamas crowd takes credit for Biden no longer being on the top of the
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ticket. They say it's because of their pressure. That's why he's no longer the nominee.
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As opposed to his disastrous debate a couple months ago. So they, they, they have, they definitely
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have an inflated sense of, of, of ego in terms of what they're able to do and what they've
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accomplished so far. So, uh, you know, we got, we got the rest of the week. Um, and I think,
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you know, Monday, yesterday was, uh, the reason why they were out at noon was because they wanted to
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really make a big show that they were out there and they, they don't want their demands to be ignored.
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So what time do you go online? You cause you're a, you can, you can watch this on your sub stack,
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Yeah. Okay. Um, so what time are you going back out today?
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So there, there's another protest, uh, at the Israeli consulate here in Chicago,
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that's scheduled for 7 PM. Um, that one is being organized by a group that is explicitly calling
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to make this week. Great. Like 1968, that's kind of their slogan. Um, and yeah, which, which is
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interesting, which is, you know, why would you want to kind of recreate the conditions to where,
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you know, your side gets absolutely, uh, beat down by the, I wouldn't really look at it as a
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success. But again, at the same time, they kind of view it as the view 1968 as a propaganda win.
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Um, because when people talk about 1968, they talk about, Oh, how horrible it was for the police to,
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you know, crack down on rioters and everything. Right. Um, it certainly would have been interesting
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to have been there for that, but that's cause I'm, I'm a sick individual when it comes to that,
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but it speaks, but it speaks to, it speaks to how even back then they were, they used the media to,
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to their advantage to say, Oh, well, actually it's their fault, not our fault.
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I think that I've had. Um, so I, so, you know, looking for, for, for this week and for later
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today, there, there is stuff planned, um, just because again, they want to make sure that this
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is their time to, to crash and ruin the Democrats party because they're not listening to them.
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Julio, thank you so much. Stay safe this week, William.
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All right. Thank you. Um, blaze, uh, media national correspondent, uh, Julio Rosa.
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Um, so I don't know if you've seen, uh, what the Capitol research center has put out, but they
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have, they have a very narrow, uh, definition of extremist extremist groups are only designated
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extremist groups. If they have documented ties or publicly expressed support for terrorism or terrorist
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groups, ties to, or publicly expressed solidarity with hostile foreign governments and, or support
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for anarchism, uh, Marxism or communism. Okay. That's the deal. So how many of those groups
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are in Chicago right now, at least 279 extremist groups are now on the streets as part of this
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coalition to March on the DNC in Chicago, separate coalition that is publicly planning disruptions
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at the convention, several Chicago based Islamic groups that are also involved in the efforts,
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but are not officially enlisted in any coalition of the 229 groups involved in the anti-DNC efforts,
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162 or 71% qualify as an extremist group. At least 147 of the anti-DNC groups have expressed support.
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147 of these groups have expressed support for, or have ties to terrorist groups or terrorist attacks,
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but a handful of those 147 groups have ties to, or publicly support Hamas and, uh, and, or the
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terrorist attacks on Israel, uh, on October 7th. Hamas allied and Iran backed Marxist Leninist terror
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groups. Also on the ground, the popular front for liberation of Palestine, they have strong direct
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links to a coalition that is openly planning to replicate the violent 1968 democratic convention.
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Um, the majority of the identified extremist groups are linked to, or have expressed solidarity with at
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least one of the nine foreign governments hostile to the United States, including Iran, China,
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Venezuela, Russia, North Korea, Syria, Cuba, Pakistan, and Nicaragua. The extremist groups also have ties
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to or expressed support for 19 foreign terrorist organizations, including Hamas, Hezbollah,
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the Houthis, the Iranian revolutionary guard core, the PFLP Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Islamic resistance
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in Iraq, the lion's den, the democratic front for the liberation of Palestine, the Muslim brotherhood,
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Jamaat is, uh, Islami, uh, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Marxist terrorists from Puerto Rico, Islamist terrorists
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in Sudan, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, uh, his, Hezbollah-e-Mahajin, Duktarhan-e-Malat, and the communist party of the
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Philippines, the new people's party. The coalition to march on the DC, uh, DNC's official statement
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and website content explicitly supports Hamas and the atrocities committed on October 7th.
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A group's official involvement in the coalition is a very strong indication that they are a supporter
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of terrorism. A large portion of the extremist groups have engaged in, endorsed, or attempted to
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assist acts of violence, property destruction, economic sabotage on the U.S. soil, and if
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justifiably described as acts of terrorism. The monitoring of the mainstream media coverage
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of the protests found almost a universal failure to inform readers or watchers about the pro-terrorism
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stances of the groups and the activists mentioned and quoted in the news articles and on-air segments.
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That's quite a list. That seems, uh, I don't know, maybe dangerous and something people should
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You think that's, you think that's worth pointing out? I mean, I don't want to get extreme here. You sound like a,
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uh, some sort of a nutjob protester there with that sort of request.
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But look at the, look at the groups. These are all the enemies, the worst of the worst,
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and they are 60% of them, they say, are from foreign countries. 60% of these people coming in to,
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on the streets of Chicago are from foreign countries. This is foreign interference from our
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greatest enemies. And the Democrats are playing footsie with them. Yeah. I mean,
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they should be denouncing them from the state. Yes, that should be not, not handing them their,
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the, their chosen vice presidential pick. That's certainly not the direction to go. I mean,
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if you think about it that way, the reason why Tim Walls is the vice presidential candidate is to
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appease these groups. They specifically picked him because they were worried about these protests
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and worried this stuff would flare up. Yes. So they gave them exactly what they wanted. And what
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happens, Glenn, when you give terrorists and terrorist supporters exactly what they want?
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They demand more and get stronger and louder and more dangerous. And you incentivize them.
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And closer to you. Right. You incentivize them to do more of this. And so this is what they have to
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deal with. I mean, they have made this bed and they now have to lie in it. So let me just,
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now that you know who these protesters are and you know, the reaction of the, uh, Harris, uh, campaign
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to embrace and get closer. Do you think she's qualified to be commander in chief?
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Do you think sitting down at a negotiating table with Iran, South Korea, China, Putin,
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that she'd be able to actually bring peace to the world?
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This is the most dangerous time in our country's history. This is more dangerous than the civil war
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We not only have the chance of civil war in this country, we are looking at global annihilation as
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well. If we're not careful, my gosh, I just, you know, nobody is, nobody's pointing anything out
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in the media, the mainstream media. It was all bunny rabbits and, and Easter flowers from the networks
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yesterday and they intentionally hid Joe Biden. They intentionally, I mean, you don't go 90 minutes
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late for the president of the United States. They pushed him out of prime time on the East coast.
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And that was intentional. They're hiding him. Nobody wants to see him anymore. He's now on vacation
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in California. And I, I hope his health stays really, really strong. But again, I ask who's running
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compare and contrast here for a second. Last month, while covering the Republican national convention,
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the Washington post published a piece filled with contempt for the rich, the corporate bigwigs
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that were flocking to Milwaukee to rub shoulders with Donald Trump. Now you could have said this
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maybe 20 years ago, 25 years ago that, you know, wall street and big business was in the pocket of the
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Republicans. You cannot say that anymore. You just can't. All of the corporations,
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are all part of the W E F and this global public private partnership that Biden and Harris have been
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pushing. In the article during the RNC, they described the oil and gas executives and the
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crypto backers and powerful Republican politicians having hushed conversations in fancy luxury suites
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about alleged tax breaks that apparently Donald Trump is only going to provide to America's most
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wealthy. The image they painted was greedy, evil businessmen making back alley deals in dark rooms.
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After all, the post would remind you democracy dies in darkness.
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But even if the post description of the RNC attendees was completely accurate,
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I'd still take rich CEOs over the groups invading the DNC in Chicago this week,
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which unsurprisingly, the post and others have failed to cover. Last hour, we told you who these
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people were. And it is terrifying. It is every terrorist group on the planet is on the streets in Chicago.
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But is anybody going to say anything about it? No, no. You know, there's, it's very hard to make
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Planned Parenthood look good, but those protesters do. But what are they calling for? One's calling for
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Jewish blood, and the other is calling for baby blood. This is a blood death cult. That's all it is.
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Planned Parenthood was parked outside with buses providing free vasectomies and abortions for those
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who are lucky enough to sign up before all the spots were filled. I mean, how many abortions can you do
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in a bus in one day? I don't know. Conservative media reacted to the news with shock and disgust,
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libs of TikTok called Planned Parenthood's efforts demonic. It is. The pro-life group Students for Life
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said this proves the far left is, quote, the party of death. That is true. But free abortions really
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shouldn't be all that shocking. After all, pro-abortion groups like Aid Access, run by a team
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of European doctors, has been mailing abortion pills to women in all 50 states for as low as 100 bucks for
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years. The party's nominated VP candidate signed a bill into law last year that removes the requirement
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for doctors to use all reasonable measures to preserve the life and health of a baby who survives
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an abortion attempt. Born, born outside of the mother's body. There is no health for the mother you have to
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worry about anymore. And the nominee for the president, Kamala Harris,
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made, I think, a Freudian slip of the tongue. Do we have the reduce the population clip by any chance?
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Maybe it was a mistake for the prompter. Maybe. Maybe she accidentally said the quiet part out loud.
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I think it was Freudian. She said, she said this, listen. When we invest in clean energy and electric
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vehicles and reduce population, more of our children can breathe clean air and drink clean water.
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Freudian slip. Freudian slip. She said, she said reduce population, but I'm sure the prompter said
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reduce pollution. But that is part of the deal. Listen to Bill Gates. We have to reduce the population.
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Now the left is revealed. It's no longer just the party of killing babies.
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They're also the party of eliminating the possibility of them at all.
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J.D. Vance received immense backlash from the left recently calling out the childless cat ladies running the
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Democratic Party. But he's right. Democratic voters are more likely to not have children by choice.
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Not due to medical reasons or the inability to conceive, but by choice than the Republican
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counterparts. There was a University of Chicago poll that was conducted in 2022. They found 38% of
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Democrats had no children compared to 26% of those on the right. 38 to 26. But like Planned Parenthood's
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free abortions, it shouldn't be surprising. This has been an ongoing movement pushed by the left for
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decades. There was an op-ed published by the New York Times in 1990. William A. Burley argued that
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quote, having fewer children means a better life and a healthier environment. He wrote this truth
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should be taught to our kids, which unfortunately he was in the perfect position to do as the principal
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of an elementary school in New Milford, Connecticut, teaching yesterday's millennials, who are now
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reproducing today at staggering low levels, that having kids in their future adult years is a death
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sentence for personal freedom. So the Washington examiner, Timothy Carney, wrote that a decade or two
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after Burley's op-ed was published, New Milford, Connecticut, has suffered such a decline in birth rate
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that it closed its family birthing center. Student population at the high school dropped so much
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that the JV and varsity football teams had to combine to field a team. A shutdown of the community
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center building now hosts a Howl-o-ween parade for dogs. This is happening all throughout the country.
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On TikTok in 23, the term DINK resurfaced from the late 1980s, which stands for dual income, no kids.
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That year, DINK videos of child-free parents bragging about the ample time and money they have
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to travel and eat at nice restaurants surpassed 33 million views.
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One of the TikTokers who posts DINK vlogs for her over 100,000 followers said in one video,
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we don't have kids to feed. We've got lots of money to spend on goodies while showing her and her
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husband shopping at Costco. The glamorizing on social media of the decision not to reproduce
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may be enough to push thousands of potential parents grappling with the decision to decide
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How different would fertility rates look today if TikTok videos romanticized parenthood instead?
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So while the child-free lifestyle rises in popularity, the popularity of just being around
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kids plummets. Major league sports stadiums now have family sections as if kids don't belong with
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the rest of us. In vitriolic backlash against social media famous parents who sacrifice their
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own dreams for the sake of their kids, like Ballerina Farm, that continues to grow. So what is the reason
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behind all of this? Surely a political party starving for power and control would realize it needs a future
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populist to carry the torch. But they're aborting their own future voters. That party also stands
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directly alongside globalists who want freedom thinkers to have as little power as possible. And having
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kids gives you just that. Having and raising kids gives parents something to live for beyond
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themselves. It requires them to reflect on the future and the kind of country they want for their
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kids and what citizenship means and how to teach that. It gives them a reason to fight. It gives them
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I'm not saying kids are property. They're living beings with their own individual needs, personalities, and
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desires. But raising them gives parents the kind of autonomous power that globalist governments do not want
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citizens to have in any shape or form. Whether it's financial freedom in owning a home or the intellectual
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freedom in knowing that my kid is mine and you can't force me to teach her the dark principles and
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beliefs of the far left. They are teaching so brazenly in schools and everywhere. But still they try
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through educational indoctrination as soon as a child is big enough to don a backpack. But at the end of
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the day the far left knows that indoctrinating the sacred home where the parents have complete control
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over the lessons and the principles that they choose to shape their kids is much it's a much bigger
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battle in a tougher battle. So why fight the fight when you can just eliminate the kids?
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You will own nothing and be happy. You will raise no one and you will be happy. He'll be happier just
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as the dink couple. Extra money to spend on gifts and lavish trips around the world they say.
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You will have the freedom to stay up late. You will roll back and forth in bed just screaming
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But like so much of the far left claims the opposite is true.
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I don't know what will convince people of the lies that they're buying into. So many of
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them just last night. Stunning lies. Provable lies. But you see they're counting on their voter
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and they've laid the groundwork. They don't trust that just stupid is enough. They need you to hate
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Donald Trump more than your personal finances. They need you to hate Donald Trump more than open borders.
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They need you to hate Donald Trump more than fentanyl and drugs on our streets and our children being
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killed by illegals. The drug cartels are now running. They need you to hate Donald Trump more than hotel
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rooms while vets on the streets. They need you to hate Donald Trump more than notice the people who
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are strung out on drugs in our streets which are decaying every day. They need you to hate Donald Trump
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more than communism. War. Possibility of nuclear war.
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They need you to hate Donald Trump more than this cult of death.
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I don't know. When we get into the ballot box, all of us as Americans, do they, do Americans actually
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hate Donald Trump more than what's in their own best interest? You're listening to the best of Glenn
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Gerald Posner is an investigative journalist, Pulitzer finalist. He's the author of 13 bestselling
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books, including Mengele, Case Closed, Why America Slept, God's Bankers, Pharma. And what was the one you
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were mentioning, Stu? Hitler's children. Yeah. Gerald, welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
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Glenn, great to be with you. You know, and I and I listened to your lead in when you said, you know,
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what is the Secret Service doing about the hundreds of groups and the tens of thousands of radical and
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extreme demonstrators in front of the building? You know, one of the things I worry about is that the
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recent assassination attempt on Donald Trump, which exposed sort of how the paper tiger of the
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Secret Service, how they were not the James Bonds of the world that they had been, we'd been led to
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believe in some ways, might encourage a copycat, might encourage somebody else who's on the edge to
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realize that the system is vulnerable and vulnerable is with a capital V. So, Gerald, I mean, you've looked
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at the Kennedy case, Martin Luther King, you've studied that for years and years to do case closed
00:30:18.340
very, very thorough. When you look back, there were so many conspiracy theories on that. And that's
00:30:30.660
because there were some things that just didn't seem right at the time, like Oswald being shot right
00:30:35.180
after. This is conspiracy central, because everything the government is doing, everything that the
00:30:44.220
Secret Service is doing, the FBI, is not normal. And if you don't want conspiracy theories, they're acting
00:30:53.240
exactly the wrong way. And so I don't know what's fact and what's theory. I don't know how to process
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this with a government that you don't trust. Yeah, you're exactly right. Look, you hit the nail on the
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head. The government in this case is not only, you know, hiding the information from the American
00:31:14.680
public, from investigators, from researchers. We're getting some members in Congress who are
00:31:20.100
getting whistleblowers who are coming forward. That's not the way to get information on when the
00:31:24.720
former president of the United States came within an inch of being killed. They should have learned
00:31:30.020
from the Kennedy assassination. They didn't. They should have learned from the King assassination.
00:31:33.160
Cover-ups do not work well. And it doesn't have to be the cover-up of a murder. It's just the cover-up
00:31:38.800
of the truth. They hide things. They keep documents back. They have communications here that they say
00:31:44.540
they didn't hold on to. There's a whole series of things. They've stonewalled from the beginning. And
00:31:48.860
Glenn, we became accustomed over time on these things, whether it was 9-11 or whether it was a
00:31:54.620
Cat 5 hurricane that came in or an earthquake. The government has these round-the-clock
00:32:00.400
news conferences in which people from FEMA and the FBI and whatever else, they hold the conferences.
00:32:06.040
If the investigators can't say something because it's under investigation, they'll say,
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I'm sorry, I can't comment on that now. But here's what we can tell you. And here they went into a
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silo. They didn't say anything at all. And, you know, not until we saw the former, you know,
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disgraced Secret Service director get subpoenaed before Congress or she wouldn't have even been there
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and then stonewalled them that day. No wonder people are skeptical about what happened. And
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one last thing, I think, you know, you had a key thing when you said the Kennedy and King
00:32:33.720
assassinations, which I have studied. One of the things that they have in common with this
00:32:38.340
assassination attempt on Donald Trump, which raises questions from the get-go, is you have a
00:32:44.100
shooter with a rifle shooting from a long distance. In most assassinations, we're accustomed to
00:32:49.740
somebody running up to the person they want to kill, like Sirhan Sirhan on Bobby Kennedy, or when
00:32:54.820
Wallace was shot by Bremer, or, you know, Ronald Reagan is shot by Hinckley. We know who the shooter
00:33:00.100
is. It doesn't answer the question of whether it was a conspiracy. Did they do it with somebody else
00:33:04.240
or were they a gun? But you know the person with the gun. Here, you have a shot from a distance with
00:33:10.800
a rifle, which immediately conjures up all the ideas for people who've seen, you know, Day of the
00:33:15.940
Jackal, some hired assassin, something more to it. And so I think that that adds to the overall
00:33:21.840
conspiracy speculation from moment one. So we also know now that two days before they said they were
00:33:30.000
going to increase Donald Trump's protection because they had stumbled upon a plot to kill him through a
00:33:37.780
Pakistani with ties to Iran, who was supposed to set it up and then leave before the assassination.
00:33:45.920
And they arrested him at the airport the day before the assassination. But then we find out not only did
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they not increase, they actually decreased from four snipers to two. Yeah. Amazing. No, no, it's the type
00:34:03.900
of stuff that leaves you just shaking your head and say, no, that can't be true. And we now know that
00:34:09.920
that was the first time in the Trump campaign that there were snipers at a rally. So before that,
00:34:15.880
the Secret Service hadn't even provided the snipers. Imagine if this assassination attempt had been
00:34:21.980
successful and the snipers weren't there. People would be we'd be asking for people to go to jail.
00:34:27.540
And you're you're right about they've had a threat from a terror state that they know
00:34:33.420
they understand somebody's trying to kill the former president. They still have not upgraded
00:34:39.960
the security to be as great as it would be as if he was the sitting president. They actually cut it
00:34:45.360
down. We now know for two years before this, when the Trump campaign was asking for additional
00:34:51.760
security for different events, they were turned down repeatedly, something the Secret Service had first
00:34:56.300
denied and then had to admit when four whistleblowers told that to the Washington Post, Washington Post,
00:35:02.860
no friend of Donald Trump. They even reported that. And so here's a case in which we have them doing
00:35:08.080
less security, not providing it, notwithstanding the fact that there was a foreign threat to the
00:35:13.560
president as well. So what does your gut tell you? Hey, my gut tells me that we're going to find,
00:35:21.660
I think, I think, at the very least, like we did with Peter Strzok and the FBI when they were doing
00:35:28.100
the, you know, the fake investigation about Russia and the Russian dossier. And later Strzok's found
00:35:34.780
to have had emails to Lisa Page that says, I can't stand that guy, Trump. And he shows all of his bias
00:35:41.980
and how the investigation was paid. I'd be very surprised if we do not get emails, maybe official
00:35:49.540
emails within on government servers or private emails in eventual government investigations. If
00:35:55.060
the Republicans take the house, keep the house in November, we will have those inquiries in which
00:36:01.760
senior Secret Service members or maybe even those operational details for some of the rallies that
00:36:07.160
Donald Trump was at are saying very, very bad things about the former president. And that is going
00:36:12.220
to call into question. And we think of the Secret Service as being apolitical. It doesn't mean you don't
00:36:16.440
have a feeling about who you vote for. You go to the election ballot and you cast a ballot,
00:36:20.340
but you're protecting everybody. You're giving up your life for the candidate that you're protecting.
00:36:25.300
And if we start to think that they had tipped the scale because they didn't like the person they
00:36:30.740
were supposed to protect, and they may have been lax to allow somebody like a crooks, the 20-year-old
00:36:37.740
shooter, to get off a shot, then it's going to cause a real ruckus.
00:36:42.340
You know, Gerald, has it always been like this? And I've just been naive. I mean, I've always
00:36:50.020
looked up to Secret Service guys. I've seen them protect dirtbags and know that some of those guys
00:36:59.340
don't like these guys. And I mean foreign dirtbags, not just American. And they'd risk their life for
00:37:07.080
these guys. And I've always looked up to them. And I don't know. Is this new? Or has it always been
00:37:15.420
No, I think that, look, and you see this very, very well in your report on it as well, how polarized
00:37:23.260
we are as a country. And it seems to me that that has infected the bureaucracy in many ways.
00:37:31.680
We talk about the politicization of the FBI. And if we think of that as the CIA and the intelligence
00:37:39.040
services and the State Department, why should we be surprised? It's not as though there was a wall
00:37:43.380
up that kept that virus from going over to Secret Service. But I do think, to what you said, that
00:37:49.280
most of the agents, the vast majority of the agents in the field, what I call the close protection,
00:37:55.560
those who are responsible for actually throwing themselves on top of a candidate if they hear gunshots,
00:38:00.980
as those agents did, who were close to the stage. And they are putting themselves in the line of a
00:38:08.760
bullet for all they know. Now, one of the things we all said, Glenn, when we saw that play out was it
00:38:15.840
was very visible that when they lifted, you know, the former president gets back on his feet and
00:38:20.880
they're starting to move in a cauldron around him back to the car. They have that circle around that
00:38:25.680
close protective circle. They don't know if there's a second shooter, if the shooter who's originally
00:38:30.320
gotten off, the shots is still active. And we see two of the agents who are full head shorter than
00:38:36.820
the president. The old way of doing it was that you assigned Secret Service agents for the close
00:38:42.580
protection who at least were the same size as the candidate you were covering. Right. So that if
00:38:47.720
you're trying to get the candidate out of there and somebody's shooting, they're going to hit an
00:38:51.040
agent, not the candidate. If the former president was being moved out from Butler, from that rally,
00:38:58.120
after that failed shot and was then killed by a second shooter because the agents were too short,
00:39:05.380
could you imagine what we would be doing in this country? It would be it would turn it just it
00:39:10.960
would turn things upside down. I think that day, I mean, you you saw it. I was I saw it right after it
00:39:18.380
happened. And it just just clipped his ear because he moved. If if he wouldn't have moved, it would
00:39:26.660
have been John F. Kennedy live on television. I think that could have put us in civil war.
00:39:32.760
No, you're right. And I tell you that we now know, which we didn't at that time, that now we see all
00:39:41.920
the videos. You know, one of the great things, the difference from the Kennedy or King assassination
00:39:46.100
is people have what you expect, cell phone videos. They're they're taping the rally. They're there.
00:39:51.240
And what's amazing is that 140 yards away from the stage where Donald Trump is taking the stage at
00:39:57.460
6 p.m. and then speaking are a group of people, you know, regular rally goers who've gone out that
00:40:03.400
day to see the former president saying, hey, there he is. There he is. See him. He's rolling over.
00:40:07.760
He's there. Hey, officer. Hey, officer. And and that you have to put yourself for half a second
00:40:13.780
into the shooter, the 20 year old kid who has practiced a lot of the range. He's got this
00:40:19.620
deranged idea that he's going to kill the former president. But he's expecting he's found this spot.
00:40:26.000
You know, he wants to get to the top. He has his range finder. He tried to get through the perimeter
00:40:30.180
and they turned him away. He's climbed onto the roof of the building. He's managed to get his gun up
00:40:35.860
there and he's ready to try to pull off this assassination. Now he gets spotted for this
00:40:41.040
minute and a half, two minutes beforehand. People are yelling and he can hear that clearly.
00:40:45.760
They're down there. They're they're calling him out. They're pointing to him. So that has to add
00:40:50.120
some adrenaline to the whole mix. And then a police officer gets to the top of the roof.
00:40:56.280
Right. Right. Before he starts to fire, he looks over and that officer drops down. But
00:41:01.220
it had to rush the shooting a little bit. He had to be under the pressure of knowing
00:41:06.500
it's closing in on him. And so we talk about, you know, the difference between getting off that shot
00:41:13.620
and it hits the former president and kills him or not could also be those moments of chaos that are
00:41:20.360
playing out away from the stage that just made enough of the difference.