The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Kash Patel & Russ Vought ｜ 9⧸26⧸23

00:00:00.000 There's a new book out from an insider that knows he's worked in the intelligence community, he's worked in the Pentagon, he's worked at the White House, 16 years under both administrations, and he watched The Deep State.

00:00:15.120 He's exposing it all in his new book, and he's on today, Kash Patel.

00:00:20.460 We're going to talk to him.

00:00:21.420 Also, we tell you about the bizarre things that are happening up in Alaska, and more on the strange goings-on of Russell Brand and others.

00:00:37.760 We have two stories today of people speaking out, one of them speaking out, and then put into an insane asylum here in America.

00:00:49.520 What's going on?

00:00:52.420 All this and so much more on today's podcast.

00:00:54.420 Here it is.

00:01:01.460 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:09.400 Man, I am so concerned about the government shutdown, and Pat is here to share my panic.

00:01:15.440 Oh, man, I'm scared.

00:01:16.620 Oh.

00:01:17.220 I'm scared.

00:01:17.980 What are we going to do?

00:01:19.000 I don't know.

00:01:19.880 Same thing we always do, only it'd be better, because they're spending less of our money.

00:01:26.180 But can they?

00:01:27.920 Can they spend less of our money?

00:01:30.460 Well, they have to, if the government shuts down.

00:01:32.500 Wow.

00:01:32.820 Which is the beauty of a government shutdown.

00:01:34.960 They have to do all the necessary things, like pay out the Social Security benefits and the veterans benefits and all of that.

00:01:41.340 They have to continue to do that, and they do.

00:01:43.780 Yeah, including the interest.

00:01:45.000 Right.

00:01:45.320 You know, you'll notice that they're not talking about defaulting on the debt this time.

00:01:49.700 That's weird.

00:01:50.940 That's weird, because that was their biggest concern.

00:01:52.780 Isn't it?

00:01:53.380 Yeah.

00:01:53.760 That was their biggest concern.

00:01:54.980 We're going to default on the debt.

00:01:56.660 Right.

00:01:56.940 I haven't heard word one of defaulting on the debt.

00:02:00.580 No, I haven't either.

00:02:00.920 I haven't either.

00:02:01.200 No.

00:02:01.420 That's weird.

00:02:02.600 Now they're just trying to say, do you know these Republicans?

00:02:06.020 They want to have a government shutdown because they want to shut down the ATF.

00:02:11.580 Well, yeah.

00:02:12.960 Yeah.

00:02:13.940 At least we're honest about it.

00:02:15.920 You know, all the things you want to do.

00:02:17.200 You're like, oh, how dare you?

00:02:18.880 We want to take guns away.

00:02:20.540 We love guns.

00:02:21.560 I was kissing mine last night.

00:02:23.960 Oh, I clean the barrel of my gun with my tongue.

00:02:28.420 I love it so much. 1.00

00:02:29.700 Shut up. 0.99

00:02:32.560 And while we're at it, maybe the FBI, too. 0.99

00:02:35.000 Maybe that could go as well.

00:02:35.960 Maybe that could go.

00:02:37.080 I don't know.

00:02:37.900 The IRS.

00:02:38.840 That wouldn't be a bad thing.

00:02:41.160 Department of Education.

00:02:43.040 Yeah.

00:02:43.540 Get rid of all the non-essential nonsense.

00:02:46.520 Yeah.

00:02:46.800 Kevin McCarthy says, we're not going to default.

00:02:51.080 We have a number of days until funding runs out.

00:02:56.240 Do you know what we didn't have until 1980?

00:03:00.860 Government shutdowns.

00:03:02.560 We never had them.

00:03:04.800 If, you know, if the budget wasn't done, and it happened many times, you know, since 1776,

00:03:13.240 and the budget wasn't done, they just went on.

00:03:16.800 And no big deal.

00:03:18.360 The budget will be finished soon.

00:03:20.660 But now, after 1980, I wonder what changed.

00:03:25.140 Huh.

00:03:25.820 I wonder what changed.

00:03:27.020 Because now we have to shut it down.

00:03:28.960 No, we really don't.

00:03:30.460 We really don't.

00:03:31.500 I mean, it's all funny money in the first place.

00:03:33.520 Yep.

00:03:33.860 You know?

00:03:34.440 That's for sure.

00:03:35.460 So, the House Republicans are working hard today to get everybody on the same page, and

00:03:46.040 that is, yeah, we should stop spending all of this money.

00:03:50.620 You know?

00:03:50.920 And what do you say?

00:03:52.520 We just start with a few things.

00:03:54.240 Like, no, the taxpayer shouldn't pay for abortions and send people on a vacation at our expense, 0.97

00:04:03.300 and then at the end of that vacation, they have an abortion.

00:04:07.480 No.

00:04:07.820 Uh-uh.

00:04:08.560 No.

00:04:09.780 No, I don't think so.

00:04:11.200 Mm-mm.

00:04:13.380 How do you feel about the money going to Ukraine, though?

00:04:16.020 You love this?

00:04:16.660 For small business loans?

00:04:18.340 Well, now, hold on just a second.

00:04:20.740 We're trying to help them win a war.

00:04:23.300 Yes.

00:04:23.620 Let me give you a couple of clips from CBS.

00:04:27.560 When's the last time 60 Minutes actually did something where you cared about?

00:04:34.060 Yeah.

00:04:34.240 Well, they did this weekend.

00:04:36.340 Listen to this from 60 Minutes.

00:04:38.560 Cut one.

00:04:38.900 American taxpayers are financing more than just weapons.

00:04:43.060 We discovered the U.S. government's buying seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers and

00:04:49.620 covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders.

00:04:52.840 Yeah, 57.

00:04:54.060 All 57,000 of them.

00:04:55.780 Jeez.

00:04:56.640 That includes the team that trains this rescue dog, named Joy, to comb through the wreckage

00:05:02.480 of Russian strikes looking for survivors.

00:05:04.920 Hey, I don't mind helping that one.

00:05:07.080 And the U.S. also funds the Divers, who we saw clearing unexploded ammunition from the

00:05:13.560 country's rivers to make them safe again for swimming and fishing.

00:05:18.860 Russia's invasion shrank Ukraine's economy by about a third.

00:05:22.840 We were surprised to find that to keep it afloat, the U.S. government is subsidizing small

00:05:28.700 businesses.

00:05:29.480 Wait, what?

00:05:30.980 Hold it.

00:05:32.240 Okay.

00:05:32.480 Now, the dog thing?

00:05:33.680 Okay.

00:05:34.180 If we can help out on the dog thing, fine.

00:05:36.820 And it seems to be it's connected to the war.

00:05:39.120 Yeah.

00:05:39.320 And, you know, the finding the unexploded bombs in the rivers.

00:05:43.760 Okay.

00:05:44.420 Okay.

00:05:46.180 But wait a minute.

00:05:47.220 Wait a minute.

00:05:47.640 Paying 56,000 firefighters to show up?

00:05:51.180 You know we're also paying the government salaries.

00:05:54.380 And we're paying the people's social security.

00:05:57.760 Okay.

00:05:58.420 We're not even paying it here.

00:05:59.980 And every dollar that we print to send over there is causing inflation here.

00:06:08.880 So while we are getting poorer and poorer, it's almost like it was designed to be this

00:06:14.480 way.

00:06:14.680 While we are getting poorer and poorer, they're getting bailed out by our government.

00:06:22.580 And every time we send a dollar over there, you get poorer.

00:06:27.260 And it's not because it's taking money.

00:06:29.200 It's because we're printing money.

00:06:32.060 Inflation.

00:06:34.100 So now we find out that they're also, they're not helping small businesses here.

00:06:38.820 No, no, no, no.

00:06:39.780 When we had COVID, no.

00:06:41.200 Home Depot.

00:06:42.320 Sure, Home Depot.

00:06:44.320 I mean, they're safe.

00:06:45.740 But the ma and pop stores, they're completely unsafe.

00:06:51.180 Huh.

00:06:51.620 And now we're paying.

00:06:53.280 But wait, there's more.

00:06:56.040 Cut to.

00:06:57.340 Russia's invasion shrank Ukraine's economy by about a third.

00:07:01.720 We were surprised to find that to keep it afloat, the US government is subsidizing small

00:07:07.300 businesses.

00:07:08.200 Super.

00:07:09.240 Like Tatiana Abramovic's knitwear company.

00:07:12.260 Oh.

00:07:12.720 These are Ukrainian towns.

00:07:13.660 That's Kyiv, I reckon.

00:07:14.960 Oh, that is very nice.

00:07:17.040 Especially in the condition of war.

00:07:19.300 We have to work.

00:07:20.980 We have to work.

00:07:22.020 We have to pay taxes.

00:07:23.640 Oh, they have to pay taxes.

00:07:24.720 We have to pay wait, salary to our employees.

00:07:27.240 Oh, no.

00:07:27.440 We have to work.

00:07:28.860 Don't stop.

00:07:29.800 Yeah.

00:07:30.140 Why does that help Ukraine win the war?

00:07:33.480 Because economy is the foundation of everything.

00:07:36.380 Okay, so I see.

00:07:37.240 It's the aid from governments, but it's the aid from the heart of every ordinary American

00:07:45.620 person.

00:07:46.200 Okay, so wait.

00:07:47.420 Hang on just a second.

00:07:49.340 I'm not sure that all that aid is from the heart of every American, because we didn't know

00:07:54.920 it.

00:07:55.080 If they would have asked us to help out, we would have been great.

00:08:00.780 We are the most charitable nation in the history of the world.

00:08:05.460 And we would.

00:08:06.300 We do.

00:08:07.240 Yes, we do.

00:08:08.320 Charitably.

00:08:08.880 Correct.

00:08:09.400 More than the rest of the world combined.

00:08:11.400 Correct.

00:08:12.300 But instead, they went through our government, and our government didn't tell us what they're

00:08:17.440 doing, and they are doing things that are causing us pain, and not just pain.

00:08:25.840 What's happening here is we are destroying ourselves.

00:08:30.140 We're giving them all of our tanks and ammunition that we are now dangerously low, dangerously

00:08:37.220 low.

00:08:37.900 We don't have enough howitzer shells now to do any kind of war.

00:08:44.140 And we can only make $25,000 of those a month.

00:08:48.720 Russia's using $60,000 a day.

00:08:52.720 A day.

00:08:54.940 So, I don't know.

00:08:57.880 I don't feel comfortable with this.

00:09:00.380 We've also destroyed our own oil supply.

00:09:05.380 Our strategic oil reserve, almost gone.

00:09:08.200 We're destroying our ability to make oil, to find oil, to refine it into gasoline.

00:09:16.240 And yet, we're sending stuff over there.

00:09:18.960 We're letting everybody have whatever they want over there, including fertilizer, which 0.99

00:09:24.720 our farmers are being told we can't use anymore because of global warming.

00:09:30.220 Huh.

00:09:30.860 Now, that's weird.

00:09:33.280 How come it's okay for Ukraine, but not for us?

00:09:39.320 You haven't even passed a farm bill over here to help our farmers.

00:09:43.580 But we're buying their grain over there, which, by the way, because they're getting free grain,

00:09:50.120 they're planting crops, they can now sell it at such a low cost that Poland has said,

00:09:58.140 you're killing our farmers.

00:10:00.160 We can't support you anymore, Ukraine. 1.00

00:10:05.300 See what happens when man starts to get involved in ways that he shouldn't get involved?

00:10:11.160 See what happens?

00:10:12.300 All of the unexpected consequences that come from this, or maybe they are expected.

00:10:21.660 So, now, the Biden administration is requesting over $20 billion more.

00:10:27.660 We wondered how they were paying for it.

00:10:30.540 We wondered where it was going.

00:10:33.620 Well, there are some things that you should probably know.

00:10:37.580 So, there is some questioning of some of the people that were in the administration over there

00:10:47.340 and part of the group that was getting the money and divvying it out.

00:10:52.100 I think about 60 of them now are actually being investigated, are going to jail,

00:11:00.560 or have lost their jobs because they were corrupt and taking and using our money for other things.

00:11:09.560 I just didn't know we were paying for everything over there.

00:11:13.340 Things that we wouldn't pay for us over here.

00:11:16.660 Didn't know that.

00:11:17.820 Nobody did.

00:11:18.800 Didn't know that.

00:11:19.720 Except the administration.

00:11:21.120 Yeah.

00:11:21.560 Until Sunday with 60 Minutes.

00:11:23.880 Yeah.

00:11:24.060 And USAID, which is now run by Cass Sunstein's wife.

00:11:30.500 Remember her?

00:11:32.420 She's in charge of USAID, and that's where all of this money is coming from and being distributed through.

00:11:40.280 Now, one last thing.

00:11:42.560 You know, that lady at least sounded grateful. 1.00

00:11:44.920 I want you to listen to the Ukrainians tell us how they really feel about our money, your money.

00:11:59.800 Listen.

00:12:00.740 The country's fighting for its survival, bankrolled in large part by U.S. taxpayers.

00:12:07.200 The outcome may be decided by America's willingness to keep paying.

00:12:11.940 Some Americans say we're very sympathetic to you Ukrainians, but we're going through tough times at home, and we just can't afford to keep on supporting you.

00:12:23.760 Ukrainians pay with their lives. 1.00

00:12:26.720 Ukrainians pay with their lives. 1.00

00:12:28.340 And I believe and I hope that their lives cost much more than money.

00:12:35.160 That their lives count much more than money.

00:12:37.920 Taxpayers' money.

00:12:38.620 Much more than taxpayers' money.

00:12:40.320 Wow.

00:12:41.520 Their lives count much more than taxpayers' money.

00:12:44.340 Wow.

00:12:44.740 Yeah, it does.

00:12:45.960 It does.

00:12:48.320 Although nobody asked us.

00:12:53.660 Now, this is what Joe Biden is talking about when he calls for a, when he's saying it's going to be a government shutdown.

00:13:01.200 You don't have to shut it down.

00:13:02.660 Just agree to not send any more money over to Congress and then propose exactly what you want and exactly where it's going.

00:13:11.940 Go through the proper channels for it.

00:13:14.660 But you don't want to do that.

00:13:16.920 Because you know, I mean, I find it amazing that CBS in 60 Minutes ran this right at the beginning of the budget stuff.

00:13:26.060 Yeah.

00:13:28.300 Incredible.

00:13:28.940 That says something.

00:13:29.900 Yeah, it does.

00:13:30.560 It says even they are getting fed up now with the shenanigans of this administration.

00:13:38.460 Hopefully.

00:13:40.220 Hopefully.

00:13:40.700 I hope so.

00:13:41.500 And I think, you know, we talked about this a little bit yesterday, but I think even the liberals in the media are disgusted with this president.

00:13:51.720 And they see the fact, and even if they're not disgusted, they understand he's a problem.

00:13:57.300 And he might not win because people are seeing how compromised he is mentally and physically.

00:14:02.880 And so this might be part of encouraging him to exit.

00:14:09.280 By the way, we now have photos of the ambassador, the American ambassador, ambassador that was over in Ukraine meeting twice with the Burisma official after being told the firm was corrupt.

00:14:25.400 So we were told that they didn't know anything.

00:14:32.780 It's impossible to not know that Burisma and the head of Burisma was a total oligarch that literally beheads the people that are in his way.

00:14:44.820 And our American ambassador was told, as was Joe Biden, don't meet with these guys, don't, they're really, really bad.

00:14:54.340 But the Burisma official who worked closely with Hunter Biden was invited to two separate events by the U.S. ambassador.

00:15:05.520 For what reason?

00:15:06.740 For what reason?

00:15:08.240 After she was told, have no contact with this person.

00:15:12.620 What was going on?

00:15:13.800 What is still going on?

00:15:17.240 Why are we bankrupting America?

00:15:19.940 This isn't America 1960, 1950, 1940.

00:15:25.980 We have lost our manufacturing base.

00:15:30.360 We are now in the midst of losing our cheap energy and we have lost our cheap labor.

00:15:36.320 So what made America America in the 1940s, 50s and 60s was we had cheap labor.

00:15:43.780 We had abundant, cheap energy.

00:15:46.840 We had all of our natural resources.

00:15:51.040 And nobody else had anything.

00:15:54.260 Well, now we don't have those things because they've been taken off the table.

00:15:58.180 And now when we do a Marshall Plan, by the way, in inflation-adjusted numbers, we are only about $50 billion away.

00:16:09.480 And Joe Biden wants another $20 billion today.

00:16:12.520 We're about $50 billion away from the cost of the entire Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe.

00:16:22.640 Wow.

00:16:25.400 Where is all that money?

00:16:28.320 Where is all that money?

00:16:30.140 And what do you want to bet we're past that number already?

00:16:33.160 Oh, I think.

00:16:33.580 In reality.

00:16:34.180 In reality.

00:16:34.700 We don't have any idea how much has been sent.

00:16:37.680 So when they say, well, we are some extremists that want to shut the government down, I don't think it's extremist.

00:16:45.160 I really don't.

00:16:46.440 With all of the corruption, which we'll get into here in a second, all of the corruption that seems to be everywhere now.

00:16:53.700 Everywhere.

00:16:55.320 All of these deals being made with foreign countries by our senators and our House members.

00:17:02.340 On top of that, the incredible spending, I think it would be a good idea to shut it down.

00:17:08.540 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:17:12.140 Russell Vogt, welcome to the program, sir.

00:17:15.620 How are you?

00:17:17.000 I'm doing great.

00:17:17.740 Thanks for having me, Glenn.

00:17:18.660 So you were on, I think, even a year ago, and we were talking about, you know, what they need to do.

00:17:25.800 And the people in the House were talking, that's what we're going to do.

00:17:29.820 And they never did any of it.

00:17:31.300 And now here we are at the last hour again, trying to scramble and figure out what are we going to do so we don't have another CR.

00:17:39.180 Exactly.

00:17:41.900 I mean, this year started with so much promise and opportunity to have a real debate about what can weaponized defunding of the bureaucracy.

00:17:52.300 And Kevin McCarthy basically threw that out the window of the negotiating table when he decided he was going to be in coalition with Hakeem Jeffries.

00:17:59.120 And then he used as an excuse, he said, oh, we'll do it during the appropriations process.

00:18:03.980 None of us believed it at the time, but that was his argument.

00:18:07.120 And now, lo and behold, by the way, he moved none of the or one of the appropriations out of the many appropriations bills and intentionally created a pile up at the end of the fiscal year to jam conservatives.

00:18:20.760 And now conservatives are saying we're not doing that.

00:18:24.360 We're going to insist on doing appropriations bills, and then we're going to insist on policy riders to defund the weaponized portions of the federal government under the banner of no security funding.

00:18:36.080 And that would apply to border security, energy security, ensuring the rule of law, the Department of Justice.

00:18:41.700 And that's going to be an important debate as we head towards this leverage point at the end of this week with regard to the lapse of the annual fiscal year.

00:18:51.520 Could you explain for the average person that may not know what a CR is and not know that how a how our Constitution says we're supposed to work as a country?

00:19:04.020 Sure.

00:19:04.540 In the jargon of budget speak, a continuing resolution basically says we're just going to continue you at last year's funding level, and we may make a few changes on top of it.

00:19:17.520 But it ends up being a very small bill because you're extending all of, in this case, Biden federal government spending, which is militant.

00:19:26.800 It's not just big.

00:19:27.820 It's aimed at us.

00:19:29.460 So that's why it's so harmful.

00:19:30.920 The way it's supposed to work is that you have an annual debate on the Department of Agriculture, the EPA, the Department of Defense, and we've gotten out of the business of having that debate on the House floor.

00:19:47.100 And what ends up happening is that it's all crafted behind closed doors.

00:19:53.120 And it's just they put them all together.

00:19:55.800 You'll hear another word called the omnibus bill.

00:19:58.360 That's bad, too.

00:19:59.120 They'll put it together, and then they'll attempt to just jam it through in the night of day and late at night and expect members to not have read it.

00:20:09.620 And what these members are saying is we're done.

00:20:12.160 It's not we're not doing that process anymore.

00:20:14.140 But it's more than just a process.

00:20:16.360 It's about, to your point earlier, using this leverage point to actually save the country because this is the last leverage point that we have heading into next year because of some of the other decisions that Kevin McCarthy has made.

00:20:30.540 And what are those decisions that he's made?

00:20:34.360 He extended the debt limit to the new administration.

00:20:38.080 And so when you take essentially one of your few leverage points and push that past into 2025, now you're left only with funding leverage.

00:20:50.820 And in Congress, there are very few must-pass bills.

00:20:54.280 We call them must-pass bills that forces the cartel to act.

00:20:59.320 And the cartel hates these because they then have to stop governing behind closed doors at agencies where they legislate apart from Constitution, apart from the Congress.

00:21:10.560 They have to come in to Congress and get these things passed.

00:21:14.580 And we only have about two or three of them.

00:21:17.060 This is one of the last impactful one to be able to defund the woke and weaponized bureaucracy.

00:21:24.720 So tell me when this changed.

00:21:26.700 It was 2008.

00:21:27.960 And why did they do a continuing resolution in 2008?

00:21:34.280 Yeah, I mean, this has been a problem that is growing for years.

00:21:39.580 Each year is a little differently based on the interest of what's going on in play.

00:21:46.100 Sometimes a continuing resolution is better than an omnibus but still bad.

00:21:52.240 And so it's hard to say what was going on.

00:21:54.340 But all of it is a natural progression of the cartel year in, year out, to basically avoid the House floor, avoid debate amendments and doing real budgets,

00:22:07.020 and to push it behind closed doors in that fashion and to make it so that it's very, very painful and stark.

00:22:14.880 So we just found out from 60 Minutes this last weekend that we are now paying for every firefighter in Ukraine.

00:22:25.540 You know, we're paying for their equivalent of Social Security.

00:22:29.300 Many of their agencies we're paying for.

00:22:32.620 But we're also paying for their small businesses and bailing out all of their small businesses.

00:22:38.720 All of that causes inflation to an incredible degree here in America.

00:22:45.520 Who knew about this?

00:22:48.700 Well, I think we've had suspicions about what has been all of these taxpayer dollars been used in Ukraine.

00:22:57.560 We're now hearing more and more reporting of it.

00:22:59.760 But this is the fundamental problem when you are cutting these enormous checks for Ukraine,

00:23:04.600 and you're putting yourself in a position that the country will help escalate a war in Europe at the expense of our taxpayers and our consumers here in this country.

00:23:18.100 And then you find out it's not just for weapons that are going to be hard for us to replace on our own stockpile,

00:23:24.280 but it is for basically the funding of their domestic economy.

00:23:28.380 And it's totally outrageous.

00:23:29.940 And it's one of the reasons why I think we're going to have a big fight this week on whether Kevin McCarthy has to stick by his commitment to strip out all the Ukraine funding.

00:23:39.680 I think that'll be one of the points of drama that we look to this week.

00:23:43.280 And I'm thankful that some of this reporting has come out because this is, you know,

00:23:47.520 the country is increasingly outraged by our spigot with regard to funding Ukraine.

00:23:54.040 And it puts them in a situation where it's not unlike the Fed, right?

00:23:58.080 When the Fed has low interest rates for far too long, people make bad investment decisions and you have a bubble.

00:24:05.620 This is like the foreign policy version of it.

00:24:07.920 When we don't force them to make their own determinations by their own resources,

00:24:13.680 they have an overextension of what they feel they can get away with, and they don't make good decisions.

00:24:20.220 And so it doesn't help them, and it certainly doesn't help us.

00:24:22.700 So you put out seven points on the things that you think should transpire since they don't have the votes for a CR, right?

00:24:35.120 So we know that they can't do a continuing resolution, and that could open us up to a government shutdown.

00:24:45.160 Do you have any idea of how solidified the Republicans are on this showdown with the left?

00:24:57.100 The House conservatives are very solidified, and as a result, because of the slim majority, we're going to have a shutdown.

00:25:05.260 I'm convinced of it.

00:25:07.240 There are certainly huge portions of the majority, the House Republicans, that want to avoid that at all costs, and most of the Senate.

00:25:15.800 The Senate will be criticizing anything that the House does that is at all righteous.

00:25:19.880 And so I do think there will be a shutdown.

00:25:23.680 I do think that the House conservatives have the ability this time, because McCarthy's political capital is so depleted from the previous debt deal,

00:25:32.660 that they will be able to force this fight, and the question will be, at that point, execution,

00:25:39.440 and being able to hold strong, hold the line, and be able to really message to the American people what this debate is about.

00:25:47.480 And really, I think it's about this, do they feel secure on the host of issues facing them from this government?

00:25:55.800 And I think that answer will be a resounding no, and I think that's an opportunity to win a debate like this

00:26:02.980 and manage the political risk that comes from it.

00:26:05.660 But I always think that political risk is overblown, quite frankly, from a shutdown.

00:26:09.380 When Republicans and conservatives fight, the voters reward them in the next election.

00:26:15.120 And I think we will see that in this case as well.

00:26:18.380 So tell me, this job then, if we shut down the government, I mean, we can pay our bills, we're not going to default,

00:26:27.380 all of these things that they've been saying for so long that are just untrue.

00:26:31.820 But it is your former job, right, the office of OMB, to make the money that we do have work and keep critical things open.

00:26:42.960 Is that right?

00:26:43.500 That is right.

00:26:45.080 And you're hitting on the main thing, which is that, you know, Social Security checks go out, Medicare payments occur,

00:26:52.200 you know, the Department of Defense just doesn't all of a sudden, you know, go home.

00:26:57.220 All of these things, in terms of what we think of the federal government being open, is in play.

00:27:03.160 What is not in play are things like the regulatory agenda of the Biden administration at the EPA.

00:27:08.800 Those people have to go home and not work.

00:27:12.280 So one of the tasks of OMB is to make sure that things stay open that are vital to the security of property and the American people,

00:27:25.060 life and things of that nature.

00:27:28.100 And so that was one of the things we did.

00:27:30.120 And we set a high bar.

00:27:31.400 We said, you know, we're going to make this as painless as possible for the American people, consistent with the law.

00:27:36.000 And we did that.

00:27:37.220 And I think it's going to be hard for them to play the games that they previously did,

00:27:41.480 trying to shut down the memorials and national parks when they don't have to and get away with it.

00:27:48.180 And I think we will be holding them accountable as much as we possibly can.

00:27:51.820 Yeah, well, I think people have a very, very short memory, especially when there was no pain when you did it.

00:28:00.140 There was no real pain.

00:28:02.180 And they are.

00:28:02.860 Why aren't they using the we're going to default argument this time?

00:28:09.960 Well, the default argument is largely one with regard to the debt limit.

00:28:13.620 And so when you're a funding situation, now you're, you know, the framing of the attack changes to one about here's here's ex-government services and it's no longer available to you.

00:28:25.980 Your life will shut down.

00:28:28.200 I think it's going to be harder also for them to make that argument.

00:28:31.800 We're in the aftermath of COVID.

00:28:33.700 I mean, they shut the economy down for for right for weeks.

00:28:37.380 And so, you know, people have lived through that.

00:28:40.940 So, you know, the loss of of of of some, you know, timely grant is not going to be rise to the same level that that once did, in my view.

00:28:53.260 OK, so we're talking to Russell Vogt.

00:28:56.040 He is the president of the Center for Renewing America.

00:29:00.440 He's also the former Office of Management and Budget, the former director of of that.

00:29:06.300 So what should they be aiming for and what do you think they could get if they stand firm?

00:29:13.560 So what we've called on them to do is to ensure that, you know, that we crush the woke and weaponized bureaucracy with a major cut to non-defense spending and bringing it back to pre-COVID levels, which would be about a 20 percent cut.

00:29:26.680 And obviously, you and I could do much more cutting in a long weekend.

00:29:31.880 But in terms of really sending a massive signal to the bureaucracy, it would be about a 20 percent cut.

00:29:39.560 And that's what they should be doing.

00:29:42.560 And I would I would put on top of it some very clear parameters.

00:29:46.240 We call it fencing in the money.

00:29:47.860 None of the funds can be used for disinformation campaigns that are used against conservatives.

00:29:55.100 None of the funds can be used by the FBI to target conservatives or any really anyone from the standpoint of just living their life and trying to express their viewpoints under the First Amendment.

00:30:05.540 So that's the type of things that we would be aiming for and we're encouraging them to do is to say, when you fund this stuff, you are funding your this federal government to be aimed at you.

00:30:17.860 And that's that honestly, that is something that is a penny that is finally dropped with the with much of these this this Congress to understand, like, let's stop focusing on the spending that's on autopilot when you at the exclusion of the stuff that you vote on every year in budget language.

00:30:34.420 We call it discretionary spending.

00:30:36.340 And that's the federal government we interact with on a daily basis that needs to be defunded.

00:30:42.100 And we need to be having a debate about the fact that we are funding gay pride of activists in Senegal.

00:30:47.860 Gay pride events in Prague that we're funding the NASA space of camp in Pakistan.

00:30:53.640 These are these are totally winnable debates on each and every day if they choose to have them and explain to them what their tax dollars are going to be able to be funded with.

00:31:04.900 It is shocking to me that they are willing to let the government shut down over a fight of 20 percent cuts and not 20 percent cuts to bring us back to 2010, but just to bring us back to the outrageous spending levels that we had before covid.

00:31:29.320 That that's incredible that we won't cut back 20 percent that we gained in covid.

00:31:37.880 If you can't win that debate, Glenn, I don't know why we send Republicans to Congress.

00:31:43.420 I mean, if you can't use a leverage point to have that very simple debate and bring it back and send that message to the bureaucracy, I mean, it's just unjustifiable.

00:31:54.300 Unbelievable. Do you think they're going to stand and do it?

00:32:01.660 I think right now we're in a really good place with conservatives united to try to force this as a leverage point.

00:32:10.440 You know, the establishment is powerful that they work.

00:32:13.180 They're going to lose their minds.

00:32:14.460 They're already starting to on all of the different legacy media.

00:32:18.780 And but this here's this here's why I'm optimistic.

00:32:22.000 This crew, this 20 and larger, and it's grown over the course of this year.

00:32:26.980 And folks like Marjorie Taylor Green are coming back into the team.

00:32:30.360 This this group held strong and had historic change that was that was potential in January.

00:32:38.220 They have that that chance now.

00:32:40.080 And I think they're going to use it.

00:32:41.300 I sense a great commitment in them.

00:32:43.340 And the margins are such that we don't need all Republicans to stick together.

00:32:48.500 We need those 20.

00:32:50.320 Thank you very much, Russell.

00:32:51.520 I appreciate it.

00:32:52.200 Russell Vogt.

00:32:52.840 He is from the Center for Renewing America and former director of the Office of Management and Budget.

00:33:00.180 You can find him at his Web site, America Renewing dot com.

00:33:05.380 America Renewing dot com.

00:33:07.900 Back in a minute.

00:33:08.480 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:15.600 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:17.740 I want to bring somebody on here.

00:33:19.420 We're going to go back to Canada in just a minute.

00:33:21.260 Cash Patel is with us.

00:33:23.040 He is a former Department of Defense chief of staff, former deputy director of national intelligence.

00:33:29.440 And he has released a book today called Government Gangsters.

00:33:34.160 This is a tell all book that is a real tell all book.

00:33:40.760 We welcome him to the program now.

00:33:43.220 Cash, how are you, sir?

00:33:44.840 I'm good, Glenn.

00:33:45.440 Thanks so much for having me on.

00:33:47.440 I've got a I've got a lot of questions.

00:33:49.380 We're going to have to have you back maybe next week.

00:33:51.100 But no problem.

00:33:52.720 So Donald Trump said he's going to use this book as a blueprint to help take back the White House and remove these gangsters from government.

00:34:01.420 Who really is running the country?

00:34:04.260 Is it the president?

00:34:05.180 Is it Congress or is it the deep state?

00:34:08.440 No, I wish it was.

00:34:09.480 I wish it wasn't the deep state.

00:34:10.920 I wish I didn't write a book called Government Gangsters about taking out the deep state.

00:34:15.040 I served for 16 years in Democratic and Republican administrations and the entrenched class that I saw rise up the ranks and make themselves public.

00:34:22.660 When Donald Trump was the president, the United States was not anything I expected in the United States of America.

00:34:28.460 We fought them.

00:34:29.580 Doesn't matter if they were Republican or Democrat.

00:34:31.420 More than we fought the levers of Congress, more than we fought the mainstream media and more than we fought the political enemies that Donald Trump had.

00:34:39.680 They think the levers of government and positions are there to serve their own egos.

00:34:43.760 And I was shocked that you saw it, not just in DOD, but at DOJ, FBI, NSA.

00:34:49.280 And, you know, a good friend of mine was like, look, this is a moment in time in history where you have to put it out there for the American people to digest and understand in a credible fashion and not use hyperbole.

00:34:59.440 And that was the mission with government gangsters.

00:35:01.460 Hopefully we did that.

00:35:02.540 So, was there a point, I mean, working, you know, 16, 16 years, did you think, ah, this isn't true?

00:35:14.440 At what point did you think, wait a minute, there might be something to this deep state idea?

00:35:19.960 What was your first encounter that showed you how rotten to the core this thing really was?

00:35:26.160 Well, I was the lead prosecutor for the Benghazi terrorist attacks at Maine Justice.

00:35:31.020 And that led me on the trail of the Hillary Clinton email fiasco.

00:35:35.460 Of course, this was before anybody ever even knew about it.

00:35:38.100 And when I raised that specter at DOJ, they thought I was out of my mind.

00:35:41.900 And the rest is history.

00:35:43.120 So when that happened, I said, wait a second, why are we not prosecuting the 17 terrorists that killed four Americans?

00:35:50.100 I remember Attorney General Elder walked in the room and said, no, we're only going to prosecute this one guy.

00:35:55.260 Everything else is too political.

00:35:56.720 And I was just, I was floored.

00:35:57.940 I was like, wait a second.

00:35:58.940 And I'm a career, you know, national security prosecutor guy here trying to take out the bad guys.

00:36:02.800 And then fold that over into Russiagate, which I then ran for Chairman Devin Nunes.

00:36:06.960 And I saw how the FISA court process was broken, was ruptured.

00:36:10.800 And the FBI and DOJ committed unlawful acts to illegally surveil a presidential candidate.

00:36:16.340 Whatever your politics are, I was just shattered by that faith in justice, having used the FISA process to actually manhunt terrorists.

00:36:24.100 So those two events sort of like gelled it together for me.

00:36:27.220 And then, of course, Donald Trump gets elected and it was on steroids after that.

00:36:31.020 Yeah.

00:36:31.360 So is there.

00:36:33.900 But what is the percentage of people that are involved, knowingly involved?

00:36:40.760 And how much of the government does it cover?

00:36:45.920 All of it?

00:36:47.420 It covers every agency and department.

00:36:49.580 Everything.

00:36:50.100 All of it.

00:36:50.620 All the administrative places, legislative, executive, even the judiciary.

00:36:54.620 Now we've seen one of the moves I call for in government gangsters is we've seen those that don the black robe of justice on the bench mediate judicial rulings based on political ethos.

00:37:05.060 And so I would say it takes up about 10 percent of all government bureaucracy, the deep state, the entrenched class.

00:37:11.680 And that's why I think we have the ability to remove them and secure this country and the levers of justice again for the American people.

00:37:19.020 If it was any more than that, we'd have a whole nother problem.

00:37:21.620 But that 10 percent has become so powerful.

00:37:24.040 They drown out.

00:37:24.780 And then that's what I want to highlight in my book, the many great Americans that continue to do the mission.

00:37:29.260 I get calls every day from people at the FBI, DOJ and DOD thanking us for the work we're continuing to do to try to correct course here.

00:37:36.380 Why aren't there more of them standing up then?

00:37:41.620 Yeah, that's the great question.

00:37:43.440 We try to do it.

00:37:44.260 We try to help whistleblowers along.

00:37:45.740 And I think the political retaliation that you see for those that stand up, I mean, just look at a couple of the FBI whistleblowers.

00:37:53.420 They were removed from their jobs, paid.

00:37:55.920 Their pay was suspended.

00:37:57.580 One of them was moving across the country with four little children and couldn't afford to pay rent.

00:38:01.620 That's what they do to you if you dare to come forward.

00:38:04.980 So we have to build institutions to help them do that.

00:38:08.340 We're working on all that.

00:38:09.500 But it takes unfortunately takes time.

00:38:11.700 And a lot of these people, they just want to serve.

00:38:13.420 That's what they went to government to do is serve quietly.

00:38:16.200 And I think you're right, though.

00:38:18.060 We need some more people to come forward.

00:38:19.660 So when you think of the deep state, I think a lot of people think it's a bunch of Dr.

00:38:24.280 Evils making plans in some underground dungeon, some cabal.

00:38:29.360 How does it really work?

00:38:32.060 What is it really like?

00:38:34.340 You know, I think it used to be like that maybe 15, 20 years ago.

00:38:37.840 Now the deep state is just in your face publicly out there because they use their mainstream media partners in the fake news.

00:38:45.180 There is no deep state, no government gangsters without them.

00:38:47.920 They leak information to them.

00:38:49.480 They did it in Russiagate, Ukraine impeachment one, two, Hunter Biden laptop, 51 intel letter, you name it.

00:38:54.560 They have the playbook written out.

00:38:56.140 When a political narrative is out there that they want to defeat, they call their few friends in government and they say, OK, what do we want out there?

00:39:03.980 How do we help defeat Donald Trump's agenda?

00:39:06.020 How do we help defeat the conservative movement?

00:39:08.160 And that is how they operate, because they get full cover in this two tier system of justice.

00:39:12.020 Because they know they are never going to get prosecuted internally as long as they are serving the mission of the government gangsters.

00:39:18.320 And again, it's not a Republican-Democrat thing.

00:39:20.800 In my book, I probably call out more Republicans than I do Democrat in the back index where I name every government gangster.

00:39:27.000 Name some of them.

00:39:28.860 Bill Barr, Mark Esper, Gina Haspel, Rod Rosenstein, Chris Wray, Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco.

00:39:36.000 And so I probably have 70 others in the back of the book there.

00:39:39.160 That's just a few.

00:39:39.900 And have you connected them to each other?

00:39:45.420 Or is this just look at what they're doing?

00:39:48.800 That must mean they're in the deep state.

00:39:51.760 I will give you that was a great point.

00:39:54.160 I've connected them and I'll give you a fantastic example.

00:39:56.740 Rob Rosenstein, who wrote the unlawful FISA warrant against President Trump, who covered up the Devin Nunes and I's investigation on Russiagate when Chris Wray was the FBI director and they threatened to investigate us.

00:40:08.160 I'll let a story for another day, but they actually did subpoena my records when I was a senior staffer on Capitol Hill.

00:40:13.680 And Gina Haspel, who was the CIA station chief in London, who authorized the launch of Russiagate, later became a CIA director.

00:40:20.720 Do you know where Gina Haspel and Rod Rosenstein work today?

00:40:23.460 At Christopher Wray's old law firm in Washington, D.C.

00:40:27.980 Holy cow. 0.89

00:40:31.820 Is the next president, no matter who he is, is he going to be able to do this?

00:40:36.600 I mean, if 10 percent of the government and all of the media, how does a president even begin to to operate and and shut these things down?

00:40:51.760 It's a multi pronged sort of game that you have to level.

00:40:58.440 And the one thing that you have to start with is personnel.

00:41:00.680 I think the one thing the Trump administration learned in the first term was you can't trust these entrenched government bureaucrats and anyone that they've ever talked to and anyone that recommended them is out.

00:41:10.800 We are working.

00:41:11.840 I'm obviously in all in for President Trump on the personnel package that should come with him should he win the presidency.

00:41:18.100 But also what you need is Congress to come in and suspend the budgets of the people that have robbed us of our two tiers of our system of justice at the FBI, at DOJ and zero out these line items and eliminate the seats and the billets, as we call them, that just endlessly grow government morass to no end to feed places like the defense industrial complex.

00:41:37.660 You have to have all three branches firing at the same time, but it starts with a huge personnel package and it starts with a massive, massive funding expenditure removal based on corruption.

00:41:49.740 When you're looking at the FBI, DOJ, CIA intelligence, can they be fixed?

00:41:58.800 Yes, they can.

00:42:00.200 It's going to be a monumental list.

00:42:02.000 I'll give you a little example I talk about in government gangsters.

00:42:04.180 When I was deputy director of national intelligence, we cut 10 percent of that workforce, even though everybody told us you can't fire anyone in government.

00:42:10.980 That's just not true.

00:42:12.340 Nobody had the will to do it.

00:42:13.980 You've got to go to Congress.

00:42:15.040 You've got to tell them, hey, take this out of our budget immediately.

00:42:17.900 I don't want this seat.

00:42:18.880 I don't want this position for next year.

00:42:20.840 And you can remove people who committed acts of corruption and unlawful, unethical behavior.

00:42:26.220 So you can do it.

00:42:27.060 You just have to have the people across the board.

00:42:28.820 We didn't have that.

00:42:29.760 We had guys like Barr and Esper and Gina Haspel blockading the Trump administration's agenda and keeping their personnel protected. 0.93

00:42:38.240 They all were talking to each other continuously.

00:42:40.780 And remember, Rod Rosenstein agreed to wear a wire because the deputy director of the FBI, Andy McCabe, told him to do it against the sitting president.

00:42:47.760 And this is the levels of corruption we have to fight against.

00:42:52.300 But the bench, the good news is the bench exists.

00:42:54.660 I've worked with them.

00:42:55.600 I know them.

00:42:56.300 A lot of them are still in.

00:42:57.620 Some of them left.

00:42:58.560 And we can bring them all back.

00:43:00.220 But we're going to need a leader, in my opinion, like President Trump, to put all those pieces on the chessboard.

00:43:04.900 Do you have, do you think, enough people in Washington, in either party, that you could cobble together the support to do this?

00:43:14.500 Does anybody in Congress or the Senate, in any great number, exist to help you?

00:43:24.740 Massive.

00:43:25.260 It's not a massive number, but I'm out there on the campaign trail for a lot of conservative candidates in both the House and the Senate.

00:43:31.920 And they subscribe to the same ethos.

00:43:34.060 So you've got to start somewhere, and it's not going to be an overnight success.

00:43:37.980 And the deep state is going to come out and attack these candidates going forward.

00:43:42.980 But I think there's enough of a clan of us that can get this mission across, or at least start it up, over the next year.

00:43:50.060 My goal is to educate America through now until next November of the election cycle to say, this is a deep state.

00:43:56.520 This happened, and this is what we must do to fix it.

00:43:59.200 Then, hopefully, once we win all levers of government, we can come in and do it.

00:44:03.120 I'd like to put a chalkboard together with your help on how this thing works and what needs to be done.

00:44:10.700 So I'd love to have you back at some point, maybe next week, when you get off of the book tour crunch here.

00:44:17.680 The name of the name of the book is Government Gangsters.

00:44:23.320 He names names.

00:44:25.120 He knows he was there.

00:44:26.960 If we want to end this nightmare, a couple of things have to happen.

00:44:33.340 The money has got to be cut.

00:44:36.220 And the Republicans, I shouldn't say the Republicans, the Freedom Caucus is working on that today.

00:44:43.100 And they're hammering it out on each other, trying to get this thing done.

00:44:48.260 You have to give the purse strings back to the Congress.

00:44:52.780 And if Congress doesn't do anything, then we vote them out and we continue to do it in larger and larger numbers.

00:44:59.320 But the other is going after the deep state and identifying who these people are and where they're hiding is the most important part.

00:45:09.660 You've got to identify them.

00:45:11.680 Are you worried at all, Cash, about, I mean, this is movie stuff.

00:45:16.380 People have died for less than this.

00:45:20.480 Yeah.

00:45:21.820 Look, it is a scary sort of roadmap that we've laid out.

00:45:26.960 But it's the one that matters most to save this constitutional republic.

00:45:30.860 So that's why there are people out there, whether it's me and you and the conservative voice movement,

00:45:36.140 that are out there that are putting the mission first, as I say, government gangsters.

00:45:40.120 And I think we have enough of us to do it.

00:45:42.640 But we've also got to take out the fake news media machine.

00:45:47.340 And that's the bigger challenge, in my opinion, than taking out just the deep state government gangsters themselves.

00:45:52.940 I think we can do it.

00:45:54.280 Yes, it's going to be a brutal year.

00:45:56.340 But if we don't do it and we don't win in 2024, then that's it.

00:46:00.680 Game over.

00:46:01.320 Yeah.

00:46:01.720 Thanks, Cash.

00:46:02.380 I appreciate it.

00:46:03.300 God bless.

00:46:03.680 We'll talk to you again.

00:46:04.600 Name of the book is Government Gangsters.

00:46:07.220 It came out today.

00:46:08.280 I will tell you, I think the mainstream media is losing its grip on America.

00:46:14.180 That's why you're seeing people like Elon Musk and Russell Brand, who may be guilty of some things,

00:46:20.900 but this is a political takedown of him.

00:46:23.640 They are going to get stronger and stronger.

00:46:27.100 I'm trying to take people down because we are becoming very effective.

00:46:31.120 Na na na na

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