The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Kelly Shackleford & Sen. Mike Lee ｜ 5⧸3⧸22

00:00:00.000 Hey, great program today. Mike Lee, Roger Marshall, both senators.

00:00:05.040 Mike was great going through what everything means.

00:00:07.780 And Kelly Shackle preferred from First Liberty.

00:00:12.100 He goes a bit further.

00:00:14.880 We're not just looking at the abortion ruling in the Supreme Court, but what's coming in June.

00:00:22.820 It could change America forever.

00:00:25.580 Good or bad, I guess we're the ones who are going to decide.

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00:01:58.480 I think the Supreme Court should release this decision now.

00:02:03.120 They are, this is obviously, this was leaked to influence the decision and to put these guys in danger.

00:02:14.500 And if they don't have full-on Secret Service protection 24-7, I'm going to take up a fundraiser and take up a collection and we'll pay for private security.

00:02:27.780 I would feel actually more comfortable with private security at this point.

00:02:31.800 Um, but, uh, they are in danger and this should just be released as official.

00:02:39.840 Why let this drag on for months and months and months now?

00:02:44.920 Uh, by the way, these states allow abortion post viability.

00:02:49.480 If the mother's life or health is threatened, which is a sham, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New York, Virginia,

00:03:01.460 and Washington.

00:03:02.560 I don't know why I feel like, uh, Howard Dean.

00:03:05.240 Yeah.

00:03:06.200 These states allow late-term abortions with no state imposed thresholds.

00:03:11.700 Alaska, Colorado, uh, District of Columbia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.

00:03:18.820 Lawmakers in several Democratic-controlled states have now enacted legislation that explicitly protects the right of abortion if Roe falls.

00:03:29.500 For example, Massachusetts, New York, Rhode Island, and Oregon have all passed laws to ensure that abortion remains legal within their states in the event that Roe does get overturned.

00:03:41.500 New York, in 2019, also expanded the conditions under which a patient can receive a late-term abortion from protecting the life of a patient to the health of a patient

00:03:53.500 and reclassified abortion regulations as a public health matter rather than a criminal one.

00:04:00.580 In California, Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom aims to make the state, quote, a sanctuary for out-of-state abortion seekers,

00:04:11.380 even proposing to use state funds to defray their travel costs.

00:04:18.040 Oh, my gosh.

00:04:19.420 Get out of California.

00:04:21.460 California guarantees the right to abortion in statute and the state constitution.

00:04:25.580 It covers the cost of abortion for lower-income Californians on, uh, Medi-Cal.

00:04:31.000 It also requires private insurance to cover it, and the state has rejected the idea of requiring waiting periods or parental consent for abortion.

00:04:40.700 Those things are not going to change.

00:04:43.800 Now, some states are going to ban it outright.

00:04:48.060 Uh, I hope Texas, uh, does it, uh, but we'll see.

00:04:54.300 I would expect that, uh, the governor of Florida, if he hasn't already, uh, is, uh, is going to be announcing some things today, I would imagine.

00:05:06.000 Um, Pat Gray joins us now from Pat Gray Unleashed.

00:05:11.160 Here's what I'm worried about.

00:05:13.100 Back-alley abortions! 1.00

00:05:14.400 Now there's going to be back-alley abortions! 1.00

00:05:16.280 Dead women everywhere! 1.00

00:05:18.260 That's what they're going to start screaming.

00:05:19.780 Instead of, uh, just taking the drive?

00:05:21.920 Yeah, you can drive.

00:05:22.460 The back-alley thing is a better idea than taking the $4,000 from your employer and just taking a flight to a place where you can get an abortion? 1.00

00:05:30.040 Yeah.

00:05:30.340 I don't even understand that logic.

00:05:31.320 Well, it's the handmaid's tale.

00:05:32.720 Listen, this is what they were saying.

00:05:34.840 This is what women were saying on TikTok last night.

00:05:41.600 Yes, it is.

00:05:42.380 Yes, it is.

00:05:42.460 Yes, it is.

00:05:42.500 Yes, it is.

00:05:42.680 Yes, it is.

00:05:42.960 Yes, it is.

00:05:44.460 Yes, it is.

00:05:46.260 This abortion law goes beyond a woman's issue, and it goes beyond anything you can ever imagine. 0.95

00:05:55.760 The societal implications of this are going to be insane.

00:05:58.600 The amount of, uh, pain and damage this is going to cause, and the full ability to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body, 0.97

00:06:07.540 but we're going back into a handmaid's tale society.

00:06:10.100 Handmaid's tale.

00:06:10.660 Back to it.

00:06:11.260 All you women.

00:06:11.380 There wasn't one.

00:06:12.320 Yeah.

00:06:14.320 Who sat home.

00:06:15.760 Uh-huh.

00:06:16.440 I love her.

00:06:16.900 All you young girls. 1.00

00:06:18.380 Stupid fake drama. 1.00

00:06:19.920 Adults over 18 years old who did not go out and vote. 1.00

00:06:23.480 There's an L in old.

00:06:24.500 Who did not think that you need to protect your womb.

00:06:28.000 Does she not look like she's been drinking heavily?

00:06:30.900 We're now back in the dark ages.

00:06:32.080 Yes, like every day of her life.

00:06:33.240 Um, brace yourselves, ladies. 1.00

00:06:35.780 Brace yourselves.

00:06:36.180 Brace yourselves.

00:06:36.860 I'm with you.

00:06:37.320 We're coming to get you.

00:06:38.240 She's with you.

00:06:38.900 My heart is just broken.

00:06:41.660 Yeah, for all these babies that are going to have to live.

00:06:44.460 Yeah, I don't understand why this country is going to have to live so much.

00:06:46.100 They just don't understand it.

00:06:47.940 They don't.

00:06:48.420 They don't get it.

00:06:49.200 They don't.

00:06:50.800 Well, they didn't.

00:06:51.340 We'll get through this.

00:06:52.440 Yeah.

00:06:52.580 We'll figure out a way.

00:06:53.500 How, though?

00:06:54.260 How can you get through it if, I mean, you can't.

00:06:57.240 I don't see how they can.

00:06:58.220 Right.

00:06:58.540 No more joking about.

00:06:59.260 The babies won't get through it.

00:07:00.300 No.

00:07:00.740 No more joking about.

00:07:01.560 It being a handmaid's tale. 0.70

00:07:05.000 Oh, stop with your one reference, you know.

00:07:10.760 Is the name of that clip, Handsome Women Speak Out? 1.00

00:07:13.480 Yeah.

00:07:18.760 It's a visual joke, unfortunately, but it would have been a fantastic one.

00:07:24.760 I think you could use your own imagination.

00:07:27.780 Yeah.

00:07:28.400 Yeah, you could.

00:07:29.360 I don't know how much trouble they're having in this particular arena.

00:07:32.440 Oh, that's what happened in Handmaid's Tale.

00:07:34.520 First, they started saying handsome women.

00:07:37.040 Right.

00:07:37.600 Next thing.

00:07:37.800 Then they were wearing red robes.

00:07:39.240 Red robes.

00:07:40.140 Just like that.

00:07:40.720 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:41.200 Damn. 0.99

00:07:42.180 The most frustrating part about that clip is they know no other references. 0.99

00:07:46.400 Right.

00:07:46.600 Everyone just goes to this, say, okay, we got it.

00:07:49.060 You have Netflix or Hulu, whatever it is.

00:07:51.200 Hulu.

00:07:52.120 I got it.

00:07:53.200 There is no world in which this is going to be the handmaid's tale.

00:07:59.320 Oh, I see religious people. 1.00

00:08:02.480 I see religious people taking women and making them surrogates and just raping them. 1.00

00:08:10.740 Oh, it happens all the time. 1.00

00:08:12.480 Yeah.

00:08:12.840 Yeah.

00:08:13.000 I see that happening all.

00:08:14.720 I mean, that's tomorrow.

00:08:16.360 It's an uplifting show, by the way, if you haven't seen it.

00:08:18.700 By the way, the max, the max we're looking at here is a two hour flight that will definitely

00:08:24.120 be paid for by an abortion organization.

00:08:25.880 That is the worst case scenario.

00:08:27.380 If you want an abortion, this is why this does not end this. 0.93

00:08:30.520 No, there is.

00:08:31.340 This is just the we're not even close to the end of the fight against abortion.

00:08:35.880 It is still going to happen in large numbers.

00:08:38.720 Will it decrease?

00:08:40.240 Possibly.

00:08:41.040 Possibly not.

00:08:42.120 The whole thing about this ruling, if it stands, is that it belongs into the hands of the people

00:08:53.420 and that the legislative arm should have the right in different areas.

00:09:00.540 Which I, by the way, I don't know about you guys, totally disagree with.

00:09:03.540 No, the legislature should not have the right to kill children.

00:09:07.160 No, they shouldn't.

00:09:08.700 However, this is an improvement as to where we've been before.

00:09:12.200 So I am with you on that because, you know, I mean, I have heard this morning and I'm waiting

00:09:18.460 for verification of this, that California and New York are already starting to put things

00:09:23.720 in for afterbirth abortion.

00:09:26.340 I find that.

00:09:27.240 We talked about California a little bit on that.

00:09:29.880 Yeah.

00:09:30.500 Up to a week after.

00:09:32.180 They're denying.

00:09:32.880 That is crazy.

00:09:35.080 They're denying that's what it would say or do.

00:09:38.160 But it says perinatal.

00:09:39.340 It says, yep.

00:09:39.880 In the bill.

00:09:40.540 Which means a week after.

00:09:41.900 Or some people say 30 days after.

00:09:44.060 Yeah.

00:09:44.240 Yeah.

00:09:44.540 That is, that's, that's insanity.

00:09:46.760 Yeah.

00:09:47.000 That's absolutely insane.

00:09:48.420 It's evil.

00:09:49.580 It's just straight up evil.

00:09:52.060 By the way, Glenn, I think you were going through the state laws.

00:09:53.900 You mentioned Texas.

00:09:54.800 Texas does have a trigger law already in effect.

00:09:56.740 Yes.

00:09:57.080 26 states have trigger laws that would outlaw at least or restrict abortion if Roe versus

00:10:04.160 Wade goes away.

00:10:05.100 Wow.

00:10:05.840 So, you know, that's, that's.

00:10:08.640 Great.

00:10:09.540 You know, it'd be great.

00:10:10.560 But again, you're either, if you say Florida, which I think is questionable.

00:10:15.100 And I don't know that, that Florida will go that far, uh, you know, Florida has essentially

00:10:20.000 been a purple state for a long time.

00:10:22.060 Yeah.

00:10:22.260 Remember, Ron DeSantis was, was put in by like, you know, I know a very, very couple percentage

00:10:26.740 point, a couple of tenths of a percent basically.

00:10:29.200 But if you do that, you're maybe in Southern Florida, probably as far away as you can be.

00:10:33.320 Maybe in Louisiana, you have a couple of hours of a flight that every organization in

00:10:38.420 America that wants you to have an abortion will pay for. 1.00

00:10:40.780 And you can go on a little trip and have your abortion in another state. 1.00

00:10:43.700 This is not, this is not the handmaid's tale.

00:10:46.580 And they will lie about that and say it is.

00:10:48.800 They're going to say that this eliminates abortion, which it does not.

00:10:51.920 It doesn't.

00:10:52.360 And that's why people.

00:10:53.260 But see, they, they need that argument.

00:10:55.720 They do.

00:10:56.080 They have to have that argument because they're not arguing.

00:10:59.160 They're not arguing about abortion right now.

00:11:01.800 They're arguing about packing the court.

00:11:05.240 That's been the number one thing they have wanted over abortion. 0.99

00:11:09.960 They will use abortion to get to packing the court. 1.00

00:11:15.000 Ilana Mars already suggested it, that they pack the court. 0.97

00:11:18.800 And she said, as we've done numerous times before, well, it's happened six times in American

00:11:24.840 history, six, and almost always less than nine.

00:11:28.860 One time it went to 10 for three years and then went back to nine in 1869.

00:11:34.240 It's been there ever since. 0.85

00:11:35.900 What dunce suggested an even number? 0.61

00:11:38.640 Yeah, I don't know. 0.85

00:11:39.380 But that didn't work out very well.

00:11:40.820 No.

00:11:41.180 So they got rid of it after three years.

00:11:43.620 That's why we need 77.

00:11:45.480 Yeah, right.

00:11:46.300 We need 77 justices.

00:11:48.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:49.440 I mean, look, this is typical of the left, right?

00:11:52.660 Hey, this governmental body is doing something that we don't like.

00:11:56.660 Therefore, let's call them illegitimate and change all the rules.

00:12:00.640 Because that's what they want to do with the filibuster.

00:12:02.720 Normally, you'd need 60 votes to force through a law like this.

00:12:06.980 What they want to do is get rid of the filibuster.

00:12:08.640 Bernie Sanders has already said this.

00:12:10.260 Go back to Manchin.

00:12:11.260 Go back to Sinema.

00:12:12.140 Say, overturn it, at least for this one thing.

00:12:14.240 Because then we can pass a national law that bans, that it requires everyone to have abortions 0.85

00:12:19.200 or whatever, puts governmental abortion huts on every corner. 0.86

00:12:23.320 See, this is, again, this is the shortcut.

00:12:26.800 That's why this case, Roe v. Wade, was overturned.

00:12:31.420 If you read the decision, it was overturned because it was all shortcuts.

00:12:36.140 And the Supreme Court was like, you can't use shortcuts on this.

00:12:41.060 You have to do it the right way.

00:12:44.760 And so what do they do?

00:12:46.300 Another shortcut.

00:12:47.680 They just want their way and to impose it on other people.

00:12:52.520 Gang, that's dictatorial.

00:12:55.140 You know, I agree with you generally, but you know what?

00:13:00.900 It's not wrong to impose people being allowed to live.

00:13:03.920 No, no, no.

00:13:04.560 I'm saying the opposite.

00:13:06.780 I get it.

00:13:07.580 But like, I don't think this, I am really happy this is happening.

00:13:11.780 But again, overturning Roe v. Wade is not the goal.

00:13:16.800 It's just a step.

00:13:18.560 Correct.

00:13:18.860 But I happen to agree with the Supreme Court.

00:13:22.880 You can't force the country to agree.

00:13:27.200 I disagree with that.

00:13:27.520 No, no, wait.

00:13:28.220 You can't enforce them into agreement.

00:13:33.260 No, you can't.

00:13:33.960 That's something that we have to work out as people.

00:13:37.020 Yes.

00:13:37.260 And it talks about it's going, you know, it went one way for a while and now it seems

00:13:43.420 to be going the other way.

00:13:44.680 And eventually we'll work this out.

00:13:47.100 But you can't force people into a belief that becomes dictatorial, except in this particular

00:13:56.260 case, we are talking about, at least half of us believe, murder.

00:14:02.840 Murder.

00:14:03.800 Life is actually guaranteed.

00:14:05.940 Correct.

00:14:06.700 However, I will say, even that, even in overturn making it fully illegal, as we know, drugs

00:14:11.540 are illegal and people do them all the time.

00:14:13.420 There are organizations set up all around the world.

00:14:16.580 Back alley.

00:14:17.120 Not even back alley abortions.

00:14:18.720 Pills can be sent in envelopes to people's houses.

00:14:21.500 Also, the flights we're talking about that go from Texas to New Mexico can also go from

00:14:26.420 Texas to Mexico and they can get them there. 0.77

00:14:28.800 They can go to Canada.

00:14:29.760 Justin Trudeau is not on the verge of overturning abortion.

00:14:32.280 I assure you.

00:14:34.220 And as long as you have your vaccine, they'll let you in and they'll give you as many abortions 0.99

00:14:37.880 as you like.

00:14:39.000 This is not it only the only way it's won, Glenn, you're totally right on this, is by persuading

00:14:45.160 people that it is a horror show, just like it was won over for, you know, slavery or

00:14:50.860 interracial marriage.

00:14:52.000 When we all looked at this and said, wait a minute, they were enslaving people?

00:14:55.180 We all look at this.

00:14:55.900 If they made slavery, if the Supreme Court came out today and said, you know, slavery is

00:14:59.280 legal again, how many people would be buying slaves? 0.93

00:15:01.740 None.

00:15:02.200 None.

00:15:02.520 Because we all think it's horrible.

00:15:03.960 Well, I can't say that anymore.

00:15:05.840 Well, yeah.

00:15:07.340 I mean, in the traditional sense, we know that there are other slavery issues around the

00:15:12.040 world.

00:15:12.640 No.

00:15:12.900 And there's radicals.

00:15:14.020 I mean, I can't say that anymore just because I mean, I always used to think, oh, we all

00:15:19.000 generally agree.

00:15:20.140 No, no, I don't think we do.

00:15:21.460 No, I don't think we do anymore.

00:15:24.000 But you have to get it to that point where it's just such a everyone realizes it's so

00:15:28.720 horrible that, you know, bank robbery is illegal.

00:15:32.380 Right.

00:15:32.820 You know, but they still occur.

00:15:34.160 We all know that they're going to back alley abortions will always be a thing. 1.00

00:15:38.360 Look, there there will always be a place where you can get and get to an altar to sacrifice

00:15:43.880 your baby to Moloch.

00:15:45.640 There will always be that place, especially with Uber.

00:15:48.800 Now you can get around anywhere.

00:15:50.200 Can I get to an altar?

00:15:51.300 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:15:59.560 Mr. Kelly Shackelford from First Liberty.

00:16:02.320 How are you, sir?

00:16:03.880 Great, Glenn.

00:16:04.960 Happy to be with you.

00:16:05.900 Uh, so let's take this apart.

00:16:09.760 First of all, um, is it illegal to leak this document?

00:16:15.200 I am not aware of any, um, uh, criminal violation.

00:16:21.260 Uh, obviously it's a, it's, it's a really, it's an attack upon the institution of the court.

00:16:27.780 And I don't know if people understand.

00:16:29.720 I mean, the court will never be the same.

00:16:31.480 Um, I don't know what they're going to have to do now, but the ability of all the, all

00:16:37.640 the justices have court clerks.

00:16:39.860 Uh, these are some of the brightest young attorneys in the country.

00:16:43.380 They bring in new ones and the ability to share with your own clerks, the opinions you're

00:16:52.360 working on.

00:16:53.080 Um, I mean, I, I just think it's going to damage the court permanently.

00:16:57.640 Um, and that's the reason why this has never happened.

00:17:01.040 And, and it's, it's, we've crossed that Rubicon now.

00:17:04.420 I'm not sure that it will never be the same.

00:17:06.620 I don't, I'm not sure it will change forever if they put the hammer down on anybody that

00:17:13.100 was involved.

00:17:14.320 Wouldn't that send a strong enough message to bring it back?

00:17:17.720 I hope.

00:17:18.880 I mean, you know, I mean, number one, are they going to figure out who it is?

00:17:22.520 I mean, I think it's highly likely to be one of the 12 clerks for the three liberal

00:17:27.820 justices.

00:17:29.280 Um, I mean, you know, what if God forbid it, it ended up being involved with a justice.

00:17:35.460 I mean, to me, I think that's impeachable.

00:17:37.960 Um, but I just think that people don't understand the long, I mean, this is like sort of shooting

00:17:43.380 a rocket at the Supreme court.

00:17:45.720 Um, it, it, it is something that could, that we might not return from as far as the court being

00:17:51.860 able to be what it was, which is the ability for justices.

00:17:55.920 I don't know if people know this, Glenn, but what happens is there's a majority and a dissent

00:17:59.760 and you begin to write, you know, they voted just a few days after the argument, they vote

00:18:04.020 and they start to write on the opinion.

00:18:06.780 The majority writes theirs, the dissent writes theirs, and they share those.

00:18:10.020 And people end up being convinced this is the marketplace of ideas in a different way,

00:18:15.180 but it's a, it's very important.

00:18:16.920 They want to know what, what the law is.

00:18:18.580 What, what does the law really say?

00:18:20.040 Oh my gosh, I didn't think of that.

00:18:21.680 And people switch.

00:18:22.740 And there's lots of that that's happened where people go to a concurrence or a dissent

00:18:26.820 or dissent to the majority.

00:18:28.200 And if you can't share the opinions and have that discussion without people, you know, taking

00:18:34.760 what's being written and taking it out in public to try to use it as a political tool, I mean,

00:18:40.660 you just destroyed the internal deliberations that go on and the exchange of ideas.

00:18:46.400 It's a really horrible thing what this person did.

00:18:49.740 What about the, what about the idea that it might've been a conservative clerk that thought

00:18:57.840 maybe they're going to switch to the other side, this will lock them into position?

00:19:03.740 It doesn't make sense on a lot of levels.

00:19:06.360 I understand people think that's really, really cute because it locks them in.

00:19:09.840 But I mean, number one, the whole point is that conservatives don't do that.

00:19:14.440 That conservative justices actually restrain themselves from politics and they say, you

00:19:20.560 know, no matter what I believe, I'm going to follow what works.

00:19:24.300 What is the original meaning?

00:19:25.740 What is it?

00:19:26.240 The whole philosophy of those people is not to warp the court into what they want it to

00:19:31.000 be.

00:19:31.340 That's clearly a liberal approach.

00:19:33.860 Right.

00:19:34.000 And that is clear in this ruling.

00:19:37.000 I mean, that is mentioned several times that we are not a political body.

00:19:41.900 We can't acquiesce.

00:19:43.880 So we have no idea what this is going to do with the American people, but we can't care

00:19:49.480 about that.

00:19:50.360 We have to do what our job is.

00:19:53.180 And that is to interpret the law against the constitution.

00:19:57.400 And here's the thing about that, Glenn, that nobody talks about is this is a, you know,

00:20:01.960 talk about populism.

00:20:03.400 This is a massive return of power to the people and away from a few oligarchs who control everything

00:20:10.920 in a dark room in the Supreme Court.

00:20:13.180 They weren't supposed to.

00:20:14.140 It's not in the constitution.

00:20:15.740 So this is a huge return of power to people of the United States to make their decision

00:20:21.340 to decide what they think is right or wrong and not have, you know, just a handful of

00:20:26.020 people tell them what morality is.

00:20:28.060 So it's not talked about that way, but it really should be.

00:20:31.420 This is what the founders meant.

00:20:32.680 It really is incredible because I saw signs last night, power belongs to the people, and

00:20:40.160 they were protesting.

00:20:41.460 And I thought, no, that's what this document says.

00:20:45.980 Now, can this go to, we know it can now go back to states, as it should be, and they can vote

00:20:55.980 and do whatever they want.

00:20:58.840 Does this, can this also just go right back to Congress and have a federal law?

00:21:03.860 They can, they can, if they can, if they can pass it.

00:21:08.240 Because again, the constitution doesn't speak to it, and therefore it's up to the people.

00:21:13.220 So they could pass a law, but they would, they would have to do one of two things.

00:21:17.260 They would have to, you know, in the Senate, get 60 votes in order to, what was called the

00:21:23.680 filibuster.

00:21:24.360 It's really a vote cloture.

00:21:26.480 They could either get 60 votes, which they're not going to be able to do, or they could destroy

00:21:30.920 the filibuster.

00:21:32.560 And that would be a permanent damaging of the Senate.

00:21:36.420 I mean, the last time they didn't have a filibuster was, you know, before Thomas Edison,

00:21:41.960 you know, invented the light bulb.

00:21:43.720 So, I mean, we're talking about that this would be, you know, change the Senate forever,

00:21:48.380 because the reason the Senate is considered probably the most well-known deliberative body

00:21:54.900 in the world is because you can't just pass it with raw political power.

00:21:59.980 You have to get some consensus from the other side.

00:22:03.220 It takes that 60 votes and it slows things down so that you don't have one party taking

00:22:08.440 over and flipping the country one major direction to the other.

00:22:12.080 The Senate kind of stops that and makes there be some consensus.

00:22:16.800 You take, if you destroy the filibuster, we're going to see court packing.

00:22:20.960 We're going to see Puerto Rico becoming a state, D.C. becoming, I mean, we're not going

00:22:26.180 to recognize our country.

00:22:27.540 And I think I've mentioned this before with your audience even, Glenn, but if people don't

00:22:33.180 understand how bad court, once you do court packing, once your country's over.

00:22:36.860 And so this is the kind of stuff that would happen if they do get rid of the filibuster,

00:22:42.040 as Bernie Sanders and others are advocating today, because they know they'll have to do

00:22:46.380 that if they're going to push through a new law, a new Roe v. Wade by federal mandate.

00:22:51.380 And is court packing just one justice or does it have to be several?

00:22:56.240 I mean, I don't know who would go five to five, but it's four.

00:22:59.940 Um, they've already filed the bill to add four justices to the Supreme Court.

00:23:04.580 So it would add four, which would then make the liberals have the majority and they would

00:23:09.660 just start doing whatever, basically like a super legislature.

00:23:13.040 But the problem is once you do it once, um, the court's over.

00:23:17.520 It's just, uh, you know, a subsidiary of the majority party in power and there is no rule

00:23:23.920 of law anymore and you don't have any rights anymore.

00:23:26.200 You have whatever right the majority party wishes for you to keep and that's why.

00:23:30.420 And you never really go back.

00:23:32.320 You don't.

00:23:33.040 You look at, if people wonder what happened to Venezuela, that's what happened.

00:23:37.040 Um, Argentina, we can go through lots of countries.

00:23:40.100 People don't understand, but when it happens that first time you're done, you're tyranny.

00:23:45.060 And, uh, and really a dictatorship is where you go.

00:23:47.940 So it's something that they tried in 19, uh, 36, 37 FDR did because he did not like the

00:23:54.660 fact that, you know, they were, um, uh, not getting his new deal through, but even his

00:24:00.200 own party turned against him before it was over and said, this is tyranny.

00:24:03.600 We're not going to do this in this country.

00:24:05.220 And it failed, but it's very dangerous.

00:24:08.240 And it's something that they can only do if they destroyed the filibuster, which would

00:24:13.260 be what they had to do to pass a new Roe v.

00:24:15.420 Wade in federal statute.

00:24:17.040 So that is the thing that, um, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at here at, I'm not sure

00:24:24.340 they release this to do anything but to, um, pour fuel on the fire right now.

00:24:33.300 Why wait until summer, pour fuel on the fire right now to get court packing, uh, uh, done

00:24:41.480 and the end of a filibuster.

00:24:42.920 I think it has more to do with that than the actual judgment from the court.

00:24:48.920 Would you agree?

00:24:50.220 I think it's both probably they're, they're hoping they can, you know, intimidate, uh,

00:24:55.920 one of the justices.

00:24:57.520 Um, but this is the beginning of what I've been predicting, you know, for months.

00:25:02.340 I think we were just together recently.

00:25:03.960 And I said, I think this is coming in June, uh, when these decisions start coming down.

00:25:08.860 Um, and I think they're going to go for court packing with a frenzy.

00:25:12.820 I think this is going to be their new election approach.

00:25:15.540 Um, cause they're obviously not working well under the current, uh, you know, polling and

00:25:20.280 et cetera.

00:25:20.900 And I, I think this is going to be their attempt and we're seeing just an early sort of release

00:25:26.020 of that.

00:25:26.520 In addition to a hope that they can intimidate one of the five justices that supposedly are

00:25:32.000 on this opinion.

00:25:33.300 It only says Alito, but again, part of the leak was that for other justices, not the chief,

00:25:38.900 but for the others are with them.

00:25:40.880 So they, they might hope that they can pick off a Kavanaugh or a Barrett who lose their

00:25:46.200 nerve.

00:25:46.680 I don't think that will happen.

00:25:48.020 I think this will entrench them even more because yeah, it would just destroy the, I

00:25:52.560 mean, everybody would know that they changed their, their principled opinion because of

00:25:57.500 pressure.

00:25:57.840 So I, I don't think that's going to happen.

00:25:59.960 So I, I agree with you that I think long-term, this is their strategy and this is what they're

00:26:03.900 going to do.

00:26:04.340 Kelly Shackelford is on the board of trustees of the United States Supreme court historical society

00:26:09.840 is earned his law degree from Baylor university.

00:26:13.080 And he is also the president and CEO of first Liberty Institute.

00:26:17.000 If you are thinking about donating money to any cause, I can highly recommend first Liberty

00:26:23.720 Institute.

00:26:24.960 They can use your money and they are winning and actually leaving permanent marks.

00:26:31.640 It's first Liberty.org.

00:26:33.660 So Kelly, you have been in front of the Supreme court and we were talking recently and you said

00:26:38.840 to me, um, we're probably more free by the end of summer.

00:26:42.360 We'll be more free, religiously speaking, than we have been in our lifetime.

00:26:47.660 You also said because of Roe versus Wade and the other opinions that you think are coming

00:26:55.420 down the pike that the left is going to lose their mind. 0.99

00:26:59.280 What are the other cases?

00:27:00.860 Well, you've got, obviously you've got Dobbs, which is the Roe v. Wade, which we're now seeing

00:27:06.700 the precursors to, but in addition, and by the way, what the way this works is the court

00:27:11.660 issues, all of its opinions in, in, by June, because the session will end and they will

00:27:17.620 mostly leave the country and speak and teach and stuff that other places.

00:27:21.800 So the opinions are out by the end of June.

00:27:24.720 Um, it's highly expected that most, you would have expected Dobbs, for instance, to be issued

00:27:30.160 that last week, probably.

00:27:31.740 And hang on, let me ask you a question.

00:27:33.700 Why don't they just finish it now and make it official?

00:27:37.360 They might, they might.

00:27:39.000 I mean, I don't know how far along they are because what we saw was an early draft.

00:27:43.080 Um, and so, but you know, if I'm the chief, I think I might move it along now and say,

00:27:48.260 you know, we're going to get this out quickly.

00:27:50.060 So all this nonsense will stop.

00:27:52.460 Um, but it normally would have been late, but in addition to Dobbs, um, you've got a

00:27:58.180 second amendment case, which will be, I think in favor of the second amendment and against

00:28:04.000 the New York restrictions, uh, on guns, which will do, which would do what it would, it would

00:28:10.160 just bolster the second amendment and say that, uh, these types of restrictions are unconstitutional

00:28:16.040 because there is a second amendment right, uh, to keep and bear arms.

00:28:19.900 And this violates that, uh, fundamental right.

00:28:22.780 I think you're going to get that kind of decision.

00:28:24.980 I think we're going to, uh, we argued a major school choice decision in December.

00:28:30.700 And I, you know, it's expected, uh, the way the argument went that we're going to win

00:28:35.160 that case, which it will say that anytime there's any school choice program anywhere in

00:28:42.360 the country, you cannot exclude religious schools or religious choices from the parents.

00:28:47.800 Um, and that'll make clear that school choice has to be fair, uh, and that be everywhere it's

00:28:53.480 going on.

00:28:53.980 And it's, there's a lot of programs out there.

00:28:56.580 Uh, the exclusion of the religious schools is over.

00:28:59.920 And so that, that will cause a lot of religious schools to come into being because now there'll

00:29:05.160 be resources that the parents have to choose what they think is best for their kids.

00:29:09.600 So that'll be a big decision.

00:29:12.060 Um, the coach Kennedy case, which we just argued, uh, a week ago, Monday, um, that's a huge case.

00:29:18.600 And it looks like it's going to be even bigger than expected depending upon how they write

00:29:23.680 the opinion.

00:29:24.280 But, and again, this is a coach who was fired for going to a knee after the game to say a

00:29:30.080 20 second prayer, thanking God for the privilege of coaching the young many coach.

00:29:33.980 And it was, it's the first time the court has ever had a case on the free exercise or

00:29:41.260 religious freedom rights, uh, of a teacher, a coach, anyone.

00:29:46.400 So there's never been a decision on this.

00:29:48.580 So it's going to affect a lot of people that way.

00:29:51.060 But what people didn't expect is during the oral argument, the court got into a discussion

00:29:55.700 about possibly ending the lemon case, which has been around for 50 years.

00:30:01.620 And if people wonder why our whole lives, we've seen attacks on nativity scenes and menorahs

00:30:07.560 and veterans memorials with religious symbols and, you know, 10 commandments, monuments and

00:30:13.140 all that.

00:30:13.600 It's not because the founders said anything about that.

00:30:16.400 It's because of this really bad case 50 years ago.

00:30:19.800 And it's been the weapon of choice for secularists now for 50 years to try to wipe our society 1.00

00:30:26.540 clean of religion. 0.88

00:30:27.580 And it's pretty clear that, uh, maybe a majority of the justices are about to say that's over.

00:30:34.180 And that, that's a sea change if that happens as well.

00:30:37.480 So those are just a handful and there's some others too.

00:30:41.440 Uh, there's a campaign finance, good.

00:30:43.380 There's the border case that was just argued last week.

00:30:45.640 So all this stuff is coming down and the end of June.

00:30:49.300 And I'm, my guess is that the, uh, the, the Marxist left is not going to like these things.

00:30:55.000 It is amazing to me as it, as we are traveling down this road where the country seems, the

00:31:02.200 government seems to be going in entirely the wrong direction, uh, and you're kind of losing

00:31:07.860 hope, uh, that the Supreme court now rides in and is doing remarkable, uh, things that

00:31:16.040 quite honestly, I would think would find favor in the eyes of, uh, of God.

00:31:21.340 Um, it's, I mean, hopefully it buys us some time, Kelly.

00:31:26.740 Yeah.

00:31:27.280 And you know, it's, it's what it's doing is, is these, these justices aren't themselves

00:31:33.620 politicians.

00:31:34.480 They don't go one way or the other, but they're going back to the original meaning of the text

00:31:39.620 of the constitution, which takes us to our founding.

00:31:43.060 Kelly Shackleford, uh, president, CEO of first Liberty Institute.

00:31:47.440 You can find it and donate at first Liberty.org.

00:31:51.260 I highly recommend that.

00:31:53.780 That's the thing about constitutionalist judges.

00:31:56.380 It doesn't always cut your way because it's all about freedom and rule of law.

00:32:06.340 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:32:17.440 Senator Mike Lee, how are you, sir?

00:32:21.180 Hello.

00:32:21.580 Good to be with you, Glenn, as always.

00:32:22.900 Thank you very much.

00:32:24.220 I've got some campaign slogans for you.

00:32:26.920 What do you think?

00:32:27.840 Yeah.

00:32:28.180 Are you ready?

00:32:28.780 I'm sure they're going to, I'm sure they're going to make reference to how riveting I am

00:32:33.100 in my presentation style.

00:32:34.420 No, I'm just, I'm just, well, I'm, I'm, I'll share them some other time.

00:32:40.720 You don't seem open to ideas.

00:32:42.280 No, no, no, Glenn, I'm open, I'm as open as can be anything you can do to make me, you

00:32:49.400 know, more cool.

00:32:50.880 Oh, this will make you much more cool.

00:32:52.860 What do you think?

00:32:54.140 Mike Lee, horrible at parties, perfect in the Senate.

00:32:59.800 I like it.

00:33:00.760 That's a good one.

00:33:01.520 Yeah.

00:33:01.760 See, see, I can see that on the back of a, of a bumper someplace.

00:33:05.420 All right.

00:33:06.000 I'm not horrible at parties, but I get the point.

00:33:08.420 No.

00:33:08.680 So, so Mike, thank you for joining me today.

00:33:14.020 I can't wait to hear your opinion because you are, I think you're the strongest on the

00:33:19.540 constitution and you should be a Supreme court justice someday.

00:33:23.840 Tell me what, first of all, are we going to hunt for, find, and I don't think it's against

00:33:32.340 the law, at least kick this person out, uh, and disbar them for leaking this.

00:33:41.620 Well, I will say this, I, as a former law clerk, I've been clerked for Justice Alito.

00:33:46.140 I can tell you, law clerks are expected to keep utmost confidentiality and decorum.

00:33:52.040 You know, it's a respectful, collegial, and, and even friendly work environment.

00:33:56.340 And I can't imagine the damage this leak will bring to the atmosphere and the operation

00:34:01.040 of the court.

00:34:02.220 I, I, I, um, I am confident that the court is going to look into it.

00:34:06.680 Now, what the court decides to do about it will be up to the court.

00:34:09.460 It's difficult to predict because we've never had a situation exactly like this.

00:34:13.720 You know, before the Obamacare ruling in 2012, there were, um, leaks in the form of rumors

00:34:20.620 about what the result was likely to be.

00:34:23.340 And that was scandalous at the time.

00:34:25.400 That was nearly unprecedented at the time.

00:34:28.780 An immense pressure was brought to bear on the Supreme court justices rumored to be in

00:34:34.160 what was thought to be a majority getting ready to strike down Obamacare.

00:34:37.440 And it turned out, uh, looks like those things might've made some difference, but there's no

00:34:42.280 precedent for this one where an opinion, an entire opinion, the opinion of the court has

00:34:48.100 leaked, uh, this is stunning.

00:34:49.900 The odds, the odds, the odds that a Supreme court justice knew about it.

00:34:57.780 Yeah, it seems unlikely.

00:35:00.460 The Supreme court justices themselves have got to work with one another for the rest of their

00:35:06.420 natural lives.

00:35:07.860 Um, and so it seems like the cost for them would be too high.

00:35:12.280 Okay.

00:35:12.680 Well, it seems more likely that it was someone else.

00:35:15.460 Okay.

00:35:16.420 So Mike, let's go through this, um, ruling.

00:35:20.340 I know you've read the whole thing.

00:35:22.540 It seems extraordinarily logical, uh, and really based on this was bad law from the very beginning.

00:35:31.900 Casey then took it apart even more.

00:35:34.540 None of it makes sense.

00:35:35.840 None of it is constitutional.

00:35:37.280 Uh, and even the left and Ginsburg has said that these are all the things that I gleaned

00:35:43.440 from it.

00:35:44.600 Uh, is, is that the right analysis?

00:35:48.280 Yes, it's, it's the right analysis.

00:35:50.520 I would add to that the fact that, um, Roe versus Wade just found no grounding whatsoever

00:35:56.920 in the constitution in hundreds of years of, uh, jurisprudence.

00:36:03.860 It, it, it was created out of whole cloth, uh, by the Supreme court in 1973.

00:36:09.300 And what this did was just take away the authority of the States to protect unborn human life and

00:36:16.080 to make the difficult decisions on exactly where the law line is drawn.

00:36:20.700 And, uh, you know, in States that allow abortion, what under what circumstances to allow it, uh,

00:36:26.240 uh, how long at what stage, all of these things were taken off the table by the Supreme court of

00:36:33.060 the United States acting without any constitutional authority because nothing in the constitution

00:36:37.200 deals with abortion.

00:36:39.340 Consequently, this is left to the States to decide.

00:36:41.720 So they made this simultaneously.

00:36:43.660 They, they took what should have been an issue decided by state government and made it federal

00:36:48.600 and then took it away from the lawmaking process generally and made it a matter for nine lawyers

00:36:56.700 wearing robes.

00:36:58.420 That's the problem.

00:36:59.920 Yeah.

00:37:00.020 I, you know, I was amazed at seeing the people that were in front of the Supreme court yesterday

00:37:04.040 saying, you know, uh, power to the people, uh, you know, rights belong to the people.

00:37:09.180 And I thought, yeah, but that's what the Supreme court said that this, this is not taking away

00:37:13.980 anyone's right to have an abortion from the Supreme court. 1.00

00:37:18.360 It's just saying your state has to decide, correct?

00:37:23.120 Correct.

00:37:23.720 Correct.

00:37:24.020 There is nothing in this decision making abortion unlawful.

00:37:28.020 That is a fallacy, a fallacy pushed by the left to scare people.

00:37:33.140 What this is saying is that decisions regarding abortion will be made by lawmakers, primarily,

00:37:40.840 almost exclusively at the state level, not at the federal level.

00:37:44.700 So does this in, in any place, um, set it up for, you know, go ahead in California, do your

00:37:53.280 abortion laws and then bring it back to the court and, uh, you know, we'll see if it stands. 0.99

00:37:58.880 Does it is, does it make a case at all that is saying that it's going to be hard to pass,

00:38:05.440 uh, a bill for abortion and have it stand? 0.86

00:38:10.420 Not from what I read in this opinion, this opinion as drafted, uh, I hope and pray this

00:38:17.180 is in fact, the opinion of the court as it purports to be, uh, because as written, it

00:38:23.100 uproots, uh, row and Casey root and branch doesn't leave anything left of them.

00:38:29.120 And it simply makes the case that, uh, these are decisions for state lawmakers, not decisions

00:38:35.440 for federal judges.

00:38:37.140 Uh, now let me, let me take you to one of the things that I'm, I'm hearing and they spent

00:38:43.480 a lot of time talking about this.

00:38:45.280 Um, people are saying, you know, there's 50 years now of precedent, uh, and you just

00:38:51.480 can't, you just can't overturn that.

00:38:53.740 And they spent a lot of time talking about that.

00:38:56.520 Can you go into it?

00:38:58.320 Sure.

00:38:59.320 Uh, now look, I, I would point people to page 39 of the opinion of the court authored by Justice

00:39:06.680 Alito, uh, the infamous decision in Plessy versus Ferguson is, uh, as the opinion characterizes

00:39:14.440 it, one of these decisions that the Supreme court decided and got it wrong.

00:39:19.960 Plessy versus Ferguson was terrible.

00:39:23.300 It was deeply wrong.

00:39:25.080 It was damaging.

00:39:26.940 What was it?

00:39:27.580 And it, uh, Plessy versus Ferguson was the case that set up the separate, but equal.

00:39:33.180 Okay.

00:39:33.540 Got it.

00:39:33.980 Got it.

00:39:34.260 Got it.

00:39:34.480 And you know, it was evil, radically contrary to the constitution.

00:39:40.260 And it was precedent that was in place for many, many decades, far too long.

00:39:46.720 And fortunately the Supreme court has acknowledged that it got it wrong.

00:39:50.640 The Supreme court gets things wrong.

00:39:52.220 Sometimes it got it wrong in Plessy versus Ferguson.

00:39:55.240 It got it wrong in Roe versus Wade.

00:39:57.380 And today the court corrected that.

00:39:58.860 And it, it says that even precedent, first of all, they disregarded, uh, precedent in our

00:40:05.560 country, um, by enacting this, uh, but also it, it says at no point does precedent play a

00:40:13.780 role when we believe it's wrong.

00:40:17.480 Correct.

00:40:18.400 Right.

00:40:19.160 Right.

00:40:19.580 There's nothing about precedent that makes it sacrosanct.

00:40:22.340 The court follows this doctrine known as stare decisis, which basically just means we're

00:40:26.660 going to stick to a ruling that we've already issued, uh, in most circumstances, because

00:40:32.680 it makes it more predictable for litigants and it makes it easier for the court to stand

00:40:37.060 by that.

00:40:37.540 But the court also says it's not going to stick to precedent.

00:40:41.760 That was clearly wrong.

00:40:43.680 And, uh, particularly when you're dealing with constitutional interpretation, there's a

00:40:49.440 diminished standard of deference, uh, uh, uh, owed, uh, under the doctrine of stare decisis

00:40:54.720 where you're dealing with the constitutional provision.

00:40:56.540 These are things that can't just be changed by legislative bodies.

00:40:59.360 It would require an amendment to the constitution.

00:41:02.080 And so that's why, you know, mercifully, uh, the court was able to change course, uh, when

00:41:08.820 it decided Brown versus board of education, acknowledging that Plessy versus Ferguson was wrong.

00:41:14.140 Let me, it had other instances where it's, it's reversed itself after interpreting the

00:41:19.260 constitution incorrectly.

00:41:20.340 So Mike, um, take me through quickly, the idea of the 14th amendment and, uh, the right

00:41:28.020 to privacy.

00:41:29.700 Okay.

00:41:31.080 So there are provisions in the constitution that protect things that we associate with

00:41:38.200 our privacy interests.

00:41:39.540 Uh, best example, um, might well be the fourth amendment, right?

00:41:44.140 You know, the, uh, the government can't, um, uh, search your house without a warrant.

00:41:49.860 And the warrant has to be based on particular evidence, providing probable cause and describing

00:41:54.540 with particularity, what's going to be searched.

00:41:57.100 There are other amendments that in one way or another may, uh, also involve privacy.

00:42:04.180 The fifth amendment, right.

00:42:05.660 And protection against self-concrimination, for example, what happened is that in 1965, the

00:42:13.220 Supreme court of the United States in a case called Griswold versus Connecticut, uh, concluded

00:42:18.500 that when you add all these things together, when you add up things like the fourth amendment

00:42:23.940 and the fifth amendment and the ninth and 10th amendments, those things themselves overlap

00:42:33.200 to form emanations and penumbras, which are themselves broad enough to encompass, uh, a,

00:42:40.180 a, a broad abstract right to privacy.

00:42:43.720 The court then used that to conclude that States may not restrict access to con contraception

00:42:50.260 by married couples.

00:42:51.660 A few years later, the Supreme court applied that same reasoning to say it doesn't just

00:42:56.140 apply to married couples, but States can't restrict access to contraception generally.

00:43:01.460 And then it was that same reasoning that the Supreme court relied on in 1973, concluded

00:43:06.900 that this abstract right to privacy imposed initially on the federal government by operation

00:43:12.300 of the amendments that I described and made applicable to the States through the due process

00:43:17.540 clause of the 14th amendment, prohibit the States from unduly restricting a woman's access 0.99

00:43:23.460 to an abortion. 0.94

00:43:24.440 So it required inference upon inference and it required a lot of, uh, legal verbal constitutional

00:43:30.620 gymnastics to get there. 0.98

00:43:31.960 At the end of the day, there was still nothing there.

00:43:35.620 Now look, there's not a state in America today that would or should ever even consider, uh,

00:43:42.240 restrictions on contraception.

00:43:44.120 And so there are those who are going to try to attack this opinion by saying, Oh, this

00:43:48.540 is going to undermine access to the country's contraception.

00:43:51.180 That's nonsense.

00:43:52.520 Not a state in the country that would do that.

00:43:54.920 Right.

00:43:55.060 And it specifically says in here that this is only about abortion.

00:44:00.660 It's not to be used for any other argument.

00:44:04.240 Sure.

00:44:05.480 That's right.

00:44:06.260 And that's, that's the way the Supreme court works.

00:44:07.960 It deals with the facts before it rather than some other case.

00:44:11.740 So that's the point is they try to dress it up in language that, you know, kind of appeals

00:44:18.800 to people's general sense that they have a right to privacy.

00:44:21.800 There are privacy interests protected by the constitution.

00:44:24.240 That does not mean there's anything in the constitution saying that a state has no authority

00:44:29.300 to protect unborn human life, which is what they've been doing since 1973.

00:44:33.440 So Mike, are they going to finalize this faster and get it out to end this, you know, this,

00:44:41.420 uh, this time of intimidation?

00:44:46.320 You know, so it's not my, my place to tell them what to do as a lawmaker.

00:44:50.820 Right, right, right.

00:44:51.340 Separate, total ordinate branch of government.

00:44:52.960 I'm just guessing though.

00:44:54.680 I'll tell you what I think I would do in that circumstance.

00:44:57.600 That's what I, what seems to make the most sense to me.

00:45:01.160 I think they ought to issue a decision immediately because look, the whole point of this, I fear,

00:45:09.760 I still don't know who leaked it or what their motives were.

00:45:12.640 One could surmise that perhaps following, uh, the model from 2012 is maybe they wanted to leak it

00:45:20.040 so as to make it difficult for those justices of planning on signing it to threaten, intimidate, and harass them.

00:45:28.620 And one could conclude that the best way for the court to deal with that and make sure that this doesn't happen again

00:45:34.520 or something is leaked for purposes like that is to say, we're just going to issue this opinion right now.

00:45:40.460 Yeah.

00:45:40.900 So that there's, there's no time for pressure to build.

00:45:43.980 So they could do that in a couple of different ways.

00:45:46.860 The chief justice could just say, okay, everybody sign on to either the majority opinion or a dissent

00:45:52.580 or a concurring opinion of your choosing, uh, by no later than close the business Thursday or Friday.

00:45:58.280 Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and then they could issue it then another approach they could do is issue an order today,

00:46:03.740 a per curiam unsigned order of the court announcing the results in this case and saying that an opinion would follow

00:46:12.040 and they could do it that way.

00:46:14.700 Either way, I think it would be good for the court to signal that this doesn't work.

00:46:20.800 Yeah.

00:46:21.560 This is done.

00:46:22.240 It doesn't work.

00:46:23.100 Yeah.

00:46:23.820 Um, Mike, are you, how concerned are you about, cause I,

00:46:27.840 I think this really is, uh, less about abortion and more about packing the court and the filibuster.

00:46:36.840 How concerned are you with your Senate colleagues on those two things?

00:46:42.360 Well, I'm, I'm scared to death about both of them.

00:46:45.760 Ending the filibuster would destroy the Senate as we know it. 0.90

00:46:48.840 And I believe that they might consider doing it here as a means toward the end of packing the Supreme Court.

00:46:56.140 As I've written in my forthcoming book called Saving Nine comes out on, on June 7th and Saving Nine.

00:47:01.560 I explain why court backing is a terrible idea.

00:47:04.480 It's inimical to the very foundation of our constitution.

00:47:08.560 It, it threatens the independence and the integrity of our courts.

00:47:12.980 It's designed to turn the courts basically into a political body.

00:47:16.160 Now, the last time they tried this, the Democrats tried this in 1937, it failed legislatively.

00:47:22.480 But as I explained in, in Saving Nine, it still left an indelible scar.

00:47:28.800 One that I think has caused problems for us ever since then.

00:47:32.580 Uh, that is it, it influenced the way individual Supreme Court justices were voting.

00:47:37.360 And, uh, the, the result has been a government that knows no boundaries around its authority, uh, that regulates every aspect of human existence and has accumulated $30 trillion in debt.

00:47:49.780 Those are all, I believe, outgrowths in one way or another of FDR's court packing plan in 1937.

00:47:56.380 The one that failed, but still scared Supreme Court justices into submission.

00:48:00.280 How soon do you think we're going to see them trying to move on these things?

00:48:05.560 I, I, I think you will see, uh, as soon as this opinion becomes final, it will not surprise me at all to see, uh, Democrats trying to get action on this immediately.

00:48:15.480 I think you'll start hearing messaging as soon as this week from some Democrats in the House and in the Senate calling for this action.

00:48:23.280 Because in their view, somehow, uh, the ends justify the means, and this is so drastic, so grave an insult that this has to be done.

00:48:31.880 But let's remember what this is and what it isn't, Glenn.

00:48:35.860 This is just, the justices reaching the conclusion, the Constitution doesn't deal with this.

00:48:43.040 And consequently, this is not an issue to be decided by federal judges.

00:48:46.940 This is an issue to be decided by elected lawmakers.

00:48:50.000 Right.

00:48:50.140 It's just, it's given the, uh, the House and the Senate and our, our state legislatures more power.

00:48:58.840 It's just saying, take your power back.

00:49:02.020 And for some reason they think that's draconian.

00:49:04.700 It's bizarre.

00:49:06.180 Mike Lee, thank you so much.

00:49:07.860 I appreciate it.

00:49:08.680 God bless and, uh, stay safe.

00:49:10.800 We pray for all of you in Washington on all sides of the aisle and all nine of our justices.

00:49:17.300 Uh, they, I, I believe this puts them in, in grave danger.

00:49:22.220 I hope our government recognizes that.

00:49:25.680 Mike Lee, you can find him, uh, and follow him at, uh, Mike Lee.

00:49:31.220 I believe it's Mike Lee for Utah or Mike Lee for Senate.

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 03, 2022

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