The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Ken Cuccinelli & Michael Anton ｜ 9⧸1⧸20

00:00:00.000 Hey, podcasters, welcome to the program today. Great, great show. We kind of covered a lot of

00:00:07.620 things today, but we had to start with Joe Biden and his speech in, where was it, Pittsburgh or

00:00:14.280 Philadelphia? Pittsburgh, I think, where he now suddenly is against all the protests and the

00:00:21.160 rioting. But don't worry, he knows he's going to fix it because he knows what will fix it,

00:00:25.800 and that is getting rid of Donald Trump, getting rid of the real problem, Donald Trump.

00:00:30.320 We also had Michael Anton on talking about his book, The Stakes, talking about things that nobody

00:00:37.680 likes to think about, secession, civil war, the things that could happen because of this next

00:00:43.680 election. It is a really powerful 15 or 20 minutes that I think you really need to hear. Also, Ken

00:00:51.840 Guccinelli was on with us. And, you know, more, more on the Democrats and the media saying how they

00:01:00.220 are the peacemakers and Donald Trump is fanning the flames of war. How do you get that from the

00:01:05.420 actions and the words from the left? Just a quick reminder, all on today's podcast.

00:01:10.480 Now, I have some good news for you. I think that that battle is going to be uphill for them,

00:01:31.200 but they can swing it up to, was it 10 or 15 points? I just read it again this morning.

00:01:38.240 It's an enormous amount that they can swing it. Tech can swing the election. So we're going to be on

00:01:45.680 that tomorrow, but it is going to be, I think, a bigger blowout than what the polls are showing.

00:01:51.500 I could be wrong. I usually am wrong. I want to be really clear. I usually am wrong when it comes to

00:01:58.520 politics. But let's just wait and see. The Democrats, they think they're in trouble, so much so that they

00:02:07.720 think that they can get away with something because apparently their voters are so stupid 1.00

00:02:13.760 that they don't remember that for months they've heard nothing but crickets from the left when it 1.00

00:02:20.120 comes to condemning the riots and the violence. And I mean, it's been a slow burn horror movie

00:02:26.040 gradually smoldering amongst the desperate Democratic Party that had zero message, zero unity,

00:02:32.860 and facing a serious inter-party civil war. So what did they do? They just blew. Hang on,

00:02:41.280 I think I got a spark. And they've been trying to get a race or class riot started for a very long time.

00:02:50.820 Now what happens when it looks like it's backfiring on them? They're trying to reverse course and

00:02:59.140 and not saying, you know what, we made a mistake. No, no, no. They are acting as if none of that

00:03:05.100 happened. Here's clip one from yesterday, Joe Biden in Philadelphia.

00:03:09.920 You know, this is a tragic fact of the matter that about his perilous hour, that how he's dealing

00:03:18.780 with this perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence in every form it

00:03:24.700 takes. Violence we've seen again and again and again of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force,

00:03:32.040 seven bullets in the back of Jacob Blake, knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing a Breonna Taylor

00:03:38.520 in her own apartment. Violence of extremists and opportunists, right-wing militias, white supremacists, 0.93

00:03:46.420 vigilantes, you know, who infiltrate protests, carrying weapons of war, hoping to wreak havoc

00:03:53.400 and to derail any hope and support for progress. That is quite a statement coming from Joe Biden. First

00:04:01.680 of all, the American people were not against the stopping of any of those guys. There was,

00:04:08.520 there was not a problem with any of those shootings. Far as the American public, we were all on the

00:04:15.040 same side. We wanted them to stop. We didn't think that that George Floyd should have had a neck or knee

00:04:22.460 on his neck. We all agreed. But no, no, the Democrats wanted to make sure there were protests and not

00:04:31.460 peaceful protests. They did nothing in city after city to stop riots and looting. I'm sorry, that's a

00:04:39.300 different story. And we've all seen that story. We've also seen Maxine Waters stand in front of a

00:04:47.820 crowd and actually tell people to track down and harass cabinet members. We saw Eric Holder say,

00:04:53.500 when they go low, we kick them. We've heard Hillary Clinton say, we just can't be civil anymore.

00:05:00.400 And when the rioting that they so desperately hoped would happen actually happened, we watched Nancy

00:05:06.640 Pelosi say, you know, people will do what people do. Congressman Nadler told the violence was a myth.

00:05:15.680 Ayanna Pressley went on national TV and said, there needs to be unrest in the street.

00:05:20.500 So did Nancy Pelosi. Let's not forget. Why aren't people rioting? But it wasn't just the Democrats in

00:05:27.500 D.C. Their propaganda arm, the mainstream media was quick to back the play. CNN hilariously said

00:05:35.900 the protests were peaceful while standing in front of a parking lot full of burning cars. They did it

00:05:42.220 again last week. You know what they actually came out and said they actually now have come out and said,

00:05:49.620 hey, a few blocks is not a whole city. Well, tell that to the people who live in those few blocks.

00:05:57.620 Do you not care about individuals at all? And what what neighborhoods are they burning down? The nice

00:06:04.720 ones? The old the overall grand strategy was to let America burn, hoping that it would make Trump look

00:06:14.980 bad. Well, it backfired and dare I say it bigly. Polls are now turning the so-called early route that

00:06:24.280 Democrats thought they were seeing a few months ago now into a virtual tie. Real, real clear politics

00:06:30.180 just released their new betting odds for who will win. And it's a toss up. But I don't think it actually

00:06:35.780 is a toss up. I think there were millions of Democrats and independents who might have

00:06:42.500 not liked Donald Trump. But they see what's happened to their Democratic Party and they want nothing to do

00:06:50.960 with it. Seems like Americans just don't like blood in the streets. They don't like rioting and violence.

00:06:58.780 They don't like when their livelihoods are destroyed and their elected officials just stand by watching

00:07:04.160 it happen. I'm going to be very interested to see what happens in the next mayoral election

00:07:08.800 in Portland, in Seattle, in Kenosha.

00:07:16.300 So now we have a few Democrats that are willing to come out and publicly state that the that rioting is

00:07:23.300 bad, the obvious. But that's not what they actually believe. Because they're on record saying the exact

00:07:31.040 opposite. The only reason why they're saying it now is because they're now pointing the finger

00:07:37.720 at Trump. I want you to listen to cut, uh, cut three.

00:07:45.780 I look at this violence and I see lives and communities and the dreams of small businesses

00:07:52.920 being destroyed. Oh my gosh. The opportunity for real progress and the issues of race and police

00:07:57.860 reform and justice being put to the test. Donald Trump looks at this violence and he sees a political

00:08:06.800 lifeline. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

00:08:11.280 Never mind. Never mind. A black lives matter started under the Obama administration. 0.78

00:08:19.420 Do you remember that? Do we have the video of Ferguson? When did that happen?

00:08:25.060 That happened under the Obama administration. Go ahead and play it, please.

00:08:29.880 You need to disperse immediately or you will be subject to arrest. Do it now.

00:08:34.180 This is not Donald Trump's America, as Joe Biden is saying.

00:08:38.420 broken into and looted. Uh, tear gas has been thrown, water bottles we witnessed being thrown

00:08:42.860 at police. If you remember, tear gas just dropped right near us. It's going to get very bad here if

00:08:49.980 we don't have masks. If you remember right, uh, in Portland, they were rioting under Donald, uh,

00:08:56.440 under, uh, uh, Joe Biden and Barack Obama's America as well. This has been fomented. This has

00:09:04.300 been really well crafted. It is the Democrats that have put $175 million into Black Lives Matter

00:09:14.980 Inc.'s coffers. This is not, you're watching a stage play. And now the playwright sees that at

00:09:25.480 intermission, everybody is walking out and he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And he's trying

00:09:29.480 to change what the character said in the first half. Nobody's going to buy that.

00:09:37.540 These are democratic governors, democratic mayors, democratic city councils. These are progressive

00:09:42.740 hell holes that have, these people have been in power for decades. So how is that Trump's fault?

00:09:49.840 I mean, do you really believe Democrats? And I'm talking about the Democrats in power.

00:09:55.920 Do you really believe your voters are this stupid? I mean, even I don't believe that. And I, you always 1.00

00:10:03.960 say, I think the worst of the Democrats that are voting. No, I don't. I think they're patriotic

00:10:10.060 Americans, many of them liberals that I disagree with, but they're not revolutionaries. They don't 0.96

00:10:16.420 hate America. They don't go out and burn the flag. They come with us to 4th of July.

00:10:22.260 They, they, you know, and yes, even some of them occasionally weep during this, the, uh,

00:10:30.460 the fireworks, the star spangled banner. Many of them are very patriotic. You don't think

00:10:37.680 they are. You think they're all revolutionaries and dumb ones at that because they won't remember 1.00

00:10:45.860 what you've been saying. You know, how is it? How is this Trump's fault? It's his fault that the 0.98

00:10:57.460 same democratic officials are now rejecting help from federal law enforcement, refusing the national

00:11:02.360 guard, telling their cops to stand down. That's Trump's fault. Was, was Ferguson's Trump's fault as

00:11:09.380 well? Was Ferguson really in 2014? And if this is the case, why didn't they use that line at any time

00:11:18.580 during the DNC? Because the polls hadn't come out yet. Democrats were getting exactly what they

00:11:26.600 wanted. And now Americans are pissed off. They think you're stupid. I'm sorry. I don't think America

00:11:37.660 is that stupid. A few weeks ago, Senator Ted Cruz repeatedly gave the good Senator from Hawaii 1.00

00:11:44.620 multiple opportunities to call out the rioters. She actually got up and walked out of the room. 0.97

00:11:51.940 She wouldn't declare the rioters as a problem. It's the same song and dance that Democrats like

00:12:01.220 Pelosi, Nadler, refusing to call out the violence. It was their strategy. They wanted the main street

00:12:09.220 of U.S. to burn down and they coordinated their collective silence. Let's remember the,

00:12:16.680 the vice president want to be Kamala Harris was on the late show with, with Stephen Colbert. 0.99

00:12:24.320 Here's what she said about the riots. Oh, we don't have, sorry, we don't have it. Two months ago,

00:12:33.320 she said, quote, this is a movement. I'm telling you, everyone beware. Protesters are not going to

00:12:39.860 stop before election day in November, and they're not going to stop after election day. They should not.

00:12:45.940 They should not. And we should not. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:12:56.220 Michael Antoni was former national security official in the Trump administration,

00:13:00.500 senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, and he has a new book out called The Stakes,

00:13:05.020 America at the Point of No Return, which is exactly where we are. Michael, welcome to the program. How are

00:13:12.100 you? Thanks for being on. I just, I want to mention also my, my, my day job, my primary affiliation is

00:13:17.740 that I'm a lecturer at Hillsdale College at our campus in Washington, D.C. Oh, really,

00:13:22.540 really good institution to be associated with. A fine institution, indeed. Okay. So you, um,

00:13:28.680 you are, of course, with this book, you're going to be called, um, crazy conspiracy theory or overreacting.

00:13:36.840 It's all of these things. Trust me, I've been called this for a very long time. Uh, and,

00:13:42.100 I can't punch a hole in what you're saying is coming because I don't think people really realize

00:13:50.440 the end of America as we know it is here and it's just waiting for November 3rd to see which way we're

00:13:58.660 going to go. Yeah. I'd love to be wrong. I've never more wanted to be wrong. You know, you don't want

00:14:03.400 to put six months of your life into something as grueling as writing a book and then say that you

00:14:07.880 hope your entire thesis is wrong, but you know, what, what patriotic decent American wants to be

00:14:12.540 right about the end of your country as you know it. I, I, I certainly don't, but I had to write the

00:14:17.700 book honestly and call it as I saw it. And it's pretty obvious to me, first of all, from having

00:14:22.120 grown up in California and lived in New York, I've seen what happens once voting patterns,

00:14:28.600 demographics, et cetera, tip a place permanently blue so that there's no effective opposition

00:14:33.300 and what Democrats and liberals do. And it's very bad. Second of all, all you have to do is listen

00:14:38.180 to what they say and watch what they try to do at the national level to get a picture of what they

00:14:43.400 will do when they have, when, and if they gain blue dominance coast to coast and essentially turn

00:14:49.820 the USA into a giant California, New York. Um, it's not hard to figure out what they're going to do.

00:14:55.240 All you got to do is look at what they've already done, look at what they're doing now and look at what

00:14:58.640 they say they want to do. So again, if, if I'm, um, crazy alarmist and it's all, you know, it's all

00:15:04.800 not happening, I'd like to hear a convincing refutation of why they won't do what they're already doing

00:15:10.600 and say they want to do. Okay. So describe, uh, America, you know, a year from now, should the

00:15:17.900 Democrats win? Well, I look, think about some of the completely radical things on their agenda that

00:15:23.840 they, that they ran on, um, tearing down existing sections of the wall, right? Not only are they

00:15:29.160 against president Trump's wall, which is still not complete, not because the president doesn't want

00:15:33.380 to build the wall, but because he faces so much internal opposition from the federal government,

00:15:36.800 they want to tear down sections that immediately exist. Joe Biden has said he will amnesty, uh,

00:15:42.520 every illegal immigrant in the country. And he uses the, the, the fake number 11 million,

00:15:47.240 which we've been hearing for something like 20 years now. How is it that with porous borders and about

00:15:52.440 a million and a half new entries a year or whatever it is, it's gone down under the Trump

00:15:55.860 administration. The 11, 11 million figures remain static for a couple of decades. That seems

00:16:00.560 unlikely, doesn't it? Well, Yale university put out a study last year. Uh, I think it's actually in

00:16:05.500 late 2018 saying, we think the number is more like 22 million, right? We don't know how many illegal

00:16:11.760 immigrants are in the country, but Joe Biden will amnesty them all. And then they will be eligible 1.00

00:16:16.360 for family reunification, uh, visas for, uh, relatives abroad, which is a dumb part of the

00:16:23.880 immigration law that president Trump would like to get rid of, but hasn't been in so-called chain

00:16:27.840 migration, but hasn't been able to do because he, you know, he can't, it's impossible to get any

00:16:32.500 piece of good legislation through Congress. So just in Joe Biden's first term alone, we could see the

00:16:38.280 additional importation of tens of millions of new people, all fast track to citizenship, um,

00:16:43.420 uh, so that they can tip purple States blue and produce an electoral lock for the, for the

00:16:50.300 democratic party. Uh, remember the first democratic debate when they were asked to 10 candidates were

00:16:55.380 asked, how many of you would extend, uh, Medicaid to illegal aliens? Uh, they, of course, they never 0.98

00:17:01.060 would use the phrase illegal alien. They use whatever euphemism they used undocumented immigrants

00:17:05.020 or something. All 10 hands went up. So we're going to bankrupt these federal programs designed,

00:17:10.860 however, imperfectly designed to help American citizens by giving it, by giving the, uh, care

00:17:17.640 away completely free to people who broke the law to come into the country in the first place. 0.99

00:17:22.240 I mean, this is just, these are just the beginnings of the radicalism of their agenda that I'm convinced

00:17:27.540 they will implement if they get in and take power. So I'm, I'm, um, I'm with you on those

00:17:33.540 things, Michael, but I am more concerned. Um, that's a, that's a hard thing to say, but I am more

00:17:42.420 concerned that the silencing of voices, the silencing of our churches, the, um, the silencing

00:17:51.360 of conservatives. I mean, it is not unusual now to hear people on CNN or whatever saying,

00:17:57.700 you know, conservatives really need to be reeducated. Um, you know, they, they are,

00:18:03.500 they are, they are in a very frightening, uh, Stalinist kind of path right now.

00:18:12.060 And for the most part, so far, they're doing it through their, they've outsourced the silencing

00:18:18.420 of voices, censorship and so on to private companies, to the social media companies and others. And so you,

00:18:24.220 you guys do this and the government doesn't necessarily need to do it. Um,

00:18:27.680 I, I, I shudder to think what they will do when they also have complete state power. Look,

00:18:33.280 I think their preference is, yes, we absolutely want a lockdown on what can be said, uh, but we'd

00:18:39.800 prefer not to have to use the government to do it because that can get messy. And, you know,

00:18:42.980 there might be court challenges we might lose. It might be unpopular, but you know, so far there's

00:18:47.320 been very little pushback on tech censorship and, and complete tech control of speech and thought

00:18:54.320 in this country. And the Dems like it that way because they know that they can

00:18:57.620 count on the tech companies to do exactly what they want them to do. Um, but all of

00:19:02.420 that, all of that will get worse that, you know, there should be right now, there should

00:19:06.300 be significant governmental pushback on these tech monopolies. And there isn't any, we know

00:19:10.880 for an absolute fact that the tech companies are overwhelmingly democratic in the voting

00:19:15.060 patterns of their employees and in the donations of their executives. And so when you have a democratic

00:19:19.720 administration in the white house, again, I think you'll see these two, um, uh, institutions

00:19:24.960 work hand in glove to an even greater extent than they have so far. And that will be disastrous

00:19:30.000 for freedom of speech and freedom of thought. And you mentioned churches. I'm the one thing,

00:19:34.400 another thing that worries me very, very much is the way these lockdowns have taken place.

00:19:39.840 Uh, you know, we have a legislative branch for a reason. And if there's a need to change policy

00:19:45.900 because of an emergency, right, we should be working through legislative institutions,

00:19:50.640 whether that's the Congress, whether it's a state legislature, whether it's a city council,

00:19:53.680 but all over the country, we've seen mayors and governors just say, as if they have the power,

00:19:57.840 you can't go outside anymore. Now that's ruled by fiat. I mean, that really is, I mean,

00:20:02.360 they call president Trump a fascist and all these kinds of names. Oh no. What, what is this extra

00:20:06.600 legislative, extrajudicial power where an executive without color of law and in any respect just says,

00:20:12.280 I've gave an order, you now must follow it. I don't know, but that's not the kind of government

00:20:16.220 America is supposed to be. And it's not the kind that I want to live in.

00:20:20.540 So they are, they are making rules up for themselves where you can't, uh, you can't go

00:20:27.140 to church, but you can go out and protest. Uh, you know, you can go out and riot, uh, but you can't

00:20:33.520 peacefully protest if you're on the wrong side in some states. Yeah. It seems like the more,

00:20:38.680 I don't, I hate to use such terminology, but I don't, I can't think of any other,

00:20:42.280 it seems kind of like the more destructive a thing is the more they're willing to tolerate

00:20:46.520 or even encourage it. And the more peaceful and constructive it is, the more they hate it. So

00:20:50.560 they'll shut down all kinds of businesses, but make sure the pot dispensaries stay open and liquor

00:20:55.740 stores stay open. Now, why is that? There's a, there, I sense a kind of sinister agenda from what

00:21:00.700 I call in the book, the ruling class that they want as much sort of soul destroying garbage in the 1.00

00:21:06.760 culture as possible because it keeps the population from getting too restive and from noticing 0.86

00:21:11.700 their bad governance and maybe fighting back. I mean, that is that that's, that was part of the

00:21:16.200 deal with the Weimar Republic. Yeah. And so, you know, I mean, why are we legalizing marijuana all

00:21:22.880 over the country and what, why are Republican, you know, Republicans, um, lawmakers when they get,

00:21:30.100 go leave Congress and including, including a former speaker of the house, becoming lobbyists for

00:21:34.920 marijuana, which is a substance, a substance, whatever you think of it. I mean, it's, it's not conducive to

00:21:40.080 having a constructive life or to, you know, ultimately to the social order. I think it's

00:21:44.960 because they think, you know, well, the more people are just on the couch stoned, then, you know, the

00:21:49.680 less trouble they're going to give us. You talk in the book about a couple of things that I would

00:21:53.820 like you to expand on. Um, Caesarism. Yeah. Explain. Caesarism is a form of, so it's obviously named

00:22:01.280 after the first Caesar, Julius Caesar, who took over the last remnant of the Roman Republic, uh,

00:22:07.080 about 50 years before the birth of Christ and turned it into a one man rule state, but it's a

00:22:11.620 particular form of one man rule. Uh, another way of terming one man, absolute rules, you know,

00:22:16.280 you call an absolute monarchy or you can call it a tyranny, right? But it's a particular form that

00:22:20.560 becomes, uh, in a sense, it's not justified, uh, maybe necessitated when the constitutional order

00:22:28.700 is broken and can't go on. Uh, and so you're, you asked me about this. This is in a chapter of the

00:22:34.500 book, chapter seven, in which I speculate, I basically don't take sides. I don't make

00:22:38.420 recommendations, but I say, if the present ruling arrangement is a thing that can't go on forever,

00:22:44.340 and I think that's, it's possible, then it'll have to stop. It'll have to break. Well, what will

00:22:50.060 follow it? What will, and I, Caesarism is one of those things that could follow it. If, if,

00:22:54.520 if present trends continue, especially without president Trump and his closest allies fighting

00:23:00.780 them, I think the country as we've known it could break and then something has to follow. And that

00:23:05.860 Caesarism could, could be one of those things. And Caesarism could emerge from either side. It's

00:23:11.600 easier to imagine Caesarism coming from the blue side or the democratic side, just because they have

00:23:17.380 all of the commanding heights, uh, you know, powerful institutions in America now, except one,

00:23:21.960 the white house, which they're determined to get back this fall. It's, it's harder to imagine a path

00:23:26.220 for a Caesarism of the, of the other side to happen, but not impossible. And I, you know,

00:23:30.820 I give all of the reasons and sort of speculate about how this one might happen or that one might

00:23:35.380 happen just because I think no one's thinking about these things. Uh, and I, I, I point the finger

00:23:40.660 in particular at conservatives, you know, I'm not going to name names necessarily, but there's a

00:23:45.060 strain of conservative thought, which is so in love with the idea of American exceptionalism that it

00:23:50.500 thinks that it, nothing can ever get bad enough for America, for America to fundamentally change for the

00:23:55.860 worse. So human possibilities that have been around since there has been mankind, you know,

00:24:01.380 the fall of Republics, tyrannies, civil wars, things like that. We don't even have to think about them

00:24:06.680 in America because they can't happen here anymore. And I think that's foolish. And somebody needed to 0.99

00:24:11.640 begin the conversation about, well, what happens if it does get bad enough? And so I, I stuck my neck

00:24:16.320 out and did that. So Michael Anton, he's the author of the stakes. Um, and I want to talk to you

00:24:22.920 about, cause I think we're closer to these things, Michael, than most people do. Um, I could see a

00:24:31.020 breakdown on the election. It's already going to happen with, with the Democrats saying mail-in votes.

00:24:37.880 It'll be days before we know that will be a shock to the system. Um, and it will, you know, probably

00:24:45.260 will end that night with Trump being ahead. Then these, these ballots will trickle in and trickle in

00:24:52.240 and it will appear as a stealing. Even if he, even if Trump continues to hold, they are going to say,

00:25:01.280 look how many people are being disenfranchised. They're throwing all these ballots out because

00:25:05.380 the typical number of ballots on mail-in that are thrown out is about 20%. And they'll make this into

00:25:12.520 some new scandal. I could see either side standing up and saying, that's not my president. It's not my

00:25:20.860 point. And, and, and secession, serious talk of secession where states say, I'm not abiding by

00:25:27.480 you because you're out of control. I, I worried about this too. I, you know, I do go into some

00:25:33.520 of these election issues in the book. Um, I couldn't, you know, it, they're so vast and complicated,

00:25:39.060 right? An entire book about how, you know, to, to do modern election fraud, especially with the way

00:25:44.100 these changes are taking place. So I'm foreseeing exactly the same possibility that you foresee.

00:25:50.240 I mean, the best, you know, we probably won't have what we had in 2016, where by about two or

00:25:55.540 three o'clock in the morning, if you were still awake, you knew who the president was going to be,

00:25:59.220 right? It was over. Um, and, and it, you know, days may be optimistic. It could be weeks or months.

00:26:04.560 So I have a section in that famous chapter and well, famous, it's not famous yet, but it might

00:26:09.440 be chapter seven in which I say states could secede and this could happen from the blue left or the

00:26:16.300 red, right. Depending. Um, now I don't necessarily even know that, you know, there's two ways to talk

00:26:23.100 about secession, right? One is actually pulling it off, right? Because the other is just giving it a

00:26:29.840 try. So what happens if the state just passes a state legislature passes a resolution and says

00:26:34.340 we've seceded from the United States of America? Well, it's not really accomplished until the issue

00:26:39.620 is settled and both sides agree. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're separate countries now. Are the feds going

00:26:43.720 to necessarily accept that? And if they decide that they don't want to accept it, what are they going

00:26:47.080 to do about it? And will what they try to do about it be effective? Um, these are all questions that

00:26:52.780 I think we've barely begun thinking about, much less thinking through. Um, I admit, I don't resolve any of

00:26:59.820 them in the book because I don't know the answers, but I think I have, I think I have raised all of

00:27:03.880 the questions that we need to be talking about. And if I haven't, I urge people to read what I wrote

00:27:08.320 and, and, and, you know, write it up somewhere and say, well, Anton forgot this. And he didn't think

00:27:12.860 about this. He didn't think about that. Cause we need to get on this right away. So I tell you,

00:27:16.320 Michael, um, I thank you for doing this from, uh, the point of view from the conservative, uh, right.

00:27:23.560 Um, because I do believe the left has already war game this years ago. I, I,

00:27:29.260 yeah, I don't know. They, they, they, you say the war game, they war game did pretty recently.

00:27:34.240 If I, I'm assuming you saw the leak that they deliberately planted in, I can't remember if it

00:27:39.080 was Politico or the New York times about a month ago where they got together and they had a war

00:27:42.800 game scenario that included session. And then they deliberately put that out into the press

00:27:47.560 for, for reasons, you know, we can only speculate about, but they don't, you don't leak something

00:27:52.140 to the press unless you think you're going to benefit from the leak. So they must think

00:27:54.980 that they benefit from the leak somehow. And in one of those scenarios, um, uh, in which

00:28:00.460 president Trump wins, this is a member, these are democratic and anti-Trump players playing

00:28:05.500 this game. Trump wins convincingly in the electoral college, but loses the popular vote, just like

00:28:10.060 2016. And the Biden campaign refuses to concede and tries to urge, um, states where Trump,

00:28:18.160 that Trump won to send Biden electors. And from there, uh, the dispute gets to a point where

00:28:26.220 remember, if it, if the election gets kicked into the house, it's not the full house that

00:28:30.820 votes. It's the state delegations. Each state has a vote. So even though the Democrats control

00:28:37.700 the house, they don't control, um, they don't control it. Right. Each state delegation in that

00:28:43.380 sense. So under this scenario, uh, certain states, I think they had California and some others

00:28:48.800 seceded because they didn't want to live under president Trump. Now call me crazy. And many

00:28:53.420 people will, but I have a hard time imagining red America saying, Oh no, California, please don't

00:29:00.200 go.

00:29:04.220 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:29:13.380 This is the Glenn Beck program. Ken Cuccinelli is with us. He's the acting DHS deputy secretary,

00:29:22.060 former attorney general of Virginia. He is a federalist, meaning he believes the state rights

00:29:30.240 are the most, uh, important, uh, and is not looking for any kind of national police work,

00:29:37.820 but he is, uh, is now working in, uh, Portland and all over the country where these riots are

00:29:46.680 happening. And as soon as the governor asked for the help from the federal government, they're

00:29:53.140 sending it in. Welcome again to the program. Ken, how are you? Good to be with you, Glenn. I'm doing

00:29:58.980 well. Thank you. I wanted to talk to you about Portland and this, this, uh, this shooting. I think

00:30:05.160 this was an, an execution that happened in Portland and, uh, and, and by a really, really bad guy,

00:30:14.160 apparently. Can you tell us what we know about the alleged shooter? Well, it is preliminary and,

00:30:22.260 and, uh, it's a messy situation. The investigation has just begun. And one of the tough things about

00:30:27.680 this sort of a situation, especially for us Americans is, you know, we're so antsy and impatient.

00:30:33.600 We want everything done yesterday. Uh, but to do an investigation correctly does take some time,

00:30:39.020 but, but the initial person, uh, of interest is clearly someone with a track record and, um,

00:30:46.600 yeah, generally to put it. And, um, uh, you know, when you invite and frankly, encourage violence for

00:30:55.500 months at a time, what you get is violence. And, um, you also, and frankly, in some respects,

00:31:03.220 uh, it took longer than I thought it would, you invite in other elements. And I don't mean

00:31:10.740 necessarily bad people who are just fed up, who are so frustrated with the failure of the rule of law

00:31:16.520 that they want to go do it themselves. And historically we've called the vigilantes, but,

00:31:20.200 but the reality is America policed itself for, you know, the first hundred years of its existence,

00:31:25.840 right? There were no police. Um, there was you and me in our neighborhoods and, um, and that attitude,

00:31:33.280 that cultural element, uh, has never left us completely. And when people like the mayor of

00:31:38.560 Portland intentionally decline to adequately police their own communities, um, you invite more violence

00:31:47.940 in violence begets violence. It doesn't burn itself out. And we've seen that all over the country,

00:31:53.340 the obvious comparison being Kenosha, where a somewhat reluctant governor Evers did bring in

00:31:58.960 national guard, you know, small amounts at first, but when he finally put enough people there, um,

00:32:06.120 after some more violence happened, um, the president had urged him to do so peace broke out and has

00:32:13.080 remained in Kenosha. Um, this is the peace through strength concept that Ronald Reagan made famous in

00:32:19.840 international relations simply applied to domestic tranquility. And that's the goal. It's the goal of

00:32:25.280 the president. It's the goal of many people, but apparently not the mayor of Portland or the governor

00:32:30.200 of Oregon to achieve peace. So let's talk about Wisconsin here for a second. Um, if you watch that

00:32:36.480 video and I'm not saying this kid should have gone down there, but that is what people do. I mean,

00:32:41.980 you know, it's crazy that the left is, we were just talking about it, right? So people show up

00:32:46.660 because they don't see the government doing their job and it offends them. And so they show up to help

00:32:52.040 out their fellow Americans. Right. And isn't this, isn't this just what happened, uh, in Charlottesville?

00:32:59.800 I mean, the, the Nazis were there and the left decided to show up to stop it. And that caused the

00:33:05.680 problem. And those of course, were the good guys, according to the media. Now somebody shows up and says,

00:33:10.940 hey, uh, you know, we got to at least protect these businesses, et cetera. He's a bad guy. But

00:33:16.680 that said, I wouldn't have had my son there and I would be really upset if my kids went to that.

00:33:22.320 Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. However, he, it, the video looks like it was self-defense,

00:33:27.720 especially with all of the other videos showing this guy really trying to jump him several times.

00:33:33.560 And the left is acting like it, like none of that matters. And they're saying, look,

00:33:39.940 first degree murder. Ken, how are they charging this kid with first degree murder?

00:33:46.460 Well, first of all, they did it so quickly that you knew they were just slapping on a charge.

00:33:52.340 Um, and remember the standard to charge is much lower than to convict. I would be astonished if that

00:34:02.260 charge weren't dramatically reduced, possibly ultimately dropped, but dramatically reduced

00:34:08.860 before they go forward with it. Um, because, uh, in the absence of other information that we haven't

00:34:16.840 seen. And one of the things about having all this public video, it can be a little chaotic,

00:34:21.260 but it does give everybody at least some window into what happened. And, um, you know, you clearly,

00:34:28.160 as you've said, Glenn, see this kid and his lawyer, you know, broadcast, they're going to defend on

00:34:34.720 self-defense and, um, and you, you have a right to defend yourself. The real question, I think that

00:34:42.120 the whole thing will come down to is the amount of force used. Was it appropriate under the

00:34:47.740 circumstances? And, um, I think that's what the whole thing will turn on. And if a jury finds that

00:34:54.120 it was a legitimate, um, use of force, meaning the using a gun was appropriate under the circumstances,

00:35:01.500 then he will, he will not end up being convicted of anything under those circumstances.

00:35:07.200 So let's go back to, uh, Portland. They, uh, the, the press is making this, this guy who lost his life

00:35:18.420 as, you know, uh, a guy who is inciting violence. Ken, doesn't it look like an execution? Is, is there

00:35:27.720 a defense for somebody, you know, saying, you know, Hey, I, I don't agree with you. And just even

00:35:35.900 forcefully, I don't agree with you, but, but not having a weapon and then somebody just pulling

00:35:40.760 out a gun and is shooting you. Yeah. See when they, when you've got, if, if it's one-on-one,

00:35:47.540 we don't have nearly the kind of video coverage that we do of the Kenosha situation that you and

00:35:53.040 I were just talking about. So the facts surrounding what actually happened are much less certain here.

00:35:59.580 And, um, but one of the factors, if this is a one-on-one situation is, um, an armed person

00:36:08.480 and an unarmed person, um, and that, you know, that's with my captain obvious cape on, right.

00:36:15.280 But, uh, but that's a factor here. And it also raises the question of malevolence to your point,

00:36:23.260 was this premeditated in some way? Um, and, uh, that is still, you know, a long way off from being

00:36:31.220 resolved. That one's going to be, um, in many ways, murkier and more difficult to investigate,

00:36:38.140 I think, than the Kenosha case in part, because there's so much video in the Kenosha situation.

00:36:43.100 Um, you know, whenever you have video of violence, you need to understand the context and you need to

00:36:47.680 be able to know what happened before and sometimes after, but, um, but at least you have it,

00:36:54.140 it becomes a baseline to, to, to analyze the facts. And, you know, I, I don't have the luxury

00:36:59.700 like people outside of, uh, federal government and the state government that's responsible for this,

00:37:06.340 of going too far down the road of potential conclusions. Um, you know, the, the restraint we

00:37:15.160 have to show in talking about this, um, impairs our ability to address the particular situation.

00:37:21.720 I will say that the indications where you have two groups facing off like this and, and some of

00:37:30.080 them randomly just, you know, okay, rallies are over, we're walking out. And some people may go

00:37:34.560 picking fights with, with others who don't agree with them. You know, that, that, that is all invited

00:37:40.840 by the kind of path this mayor and governor have encouraged. They haven't merely allowed it.

00:37:47.680 They've encouraged it. And, um, it's, uh, it's really quite extraordinary that, um, an entire

00:37:56.420 state would allow this to go on like this. And undoubtedly, Glenn, you saw the governor's

00:38:01.540 quote plan unquote for resolving the violence in Portland, relying on surrounding law enforcement,

00:38:07.500 uh, uh, uh, sheriff's offices. And they, they declined to enter. And one of the most

00:38:14.280 outstandingly written letters that I have seen in a very long time was by one Washington County

00:38:20.900 sheriff nearby. I think it was Washington County, um, who said, I cannot, I want peace. I'll help

00:38:27.400 analyze social media. I'll do these other things to help at a distance, but I, without the political

00:38:32.540 support and without the prosecutions being undertaken and putting, I cannot put my deputies in that kind

00:38:39.620 of danger in that sort of, and the most interesting phrase was something along the lines of legally

00:38:45.360 questionable situation, meaning you won't protect them, right? You won't protect them. I have an

00:38:52.940 obligation to my own deputies to not put them in those situations. And, and I think that sheriff was

00:38:58.180 absolutely right. This mayor and this governor have all the tools they have ever needed to bring

00:39:04.520 peace to Portland tomorrow, tomorrow. And yet they refuse to do it. So this is a decision on their

00:39:12.740 part that, that somehow the violence is politically preferable to them than, um, than the alternative.

00:39:20.880 And I've said, you know, with the mayor's response to the president's most recent letter,

00:39:25.180 this mayor hates president Trump more than he loves the people of Portland that he's responsible

00:39:32.260 to protect, not just represent, but he's the chief of police too, but to protect. And he is failing

00:39:38.420 intentionally in that obligation. I know you have a meeting you've got to run to. Can I get just a

00:39:44.240 couple of short answers, uh, on two questions? One, um, the media is now claiming this is the right

00:39:51.620 wing in flaming the protests. And the second is the, you know, your boss, Chad Wolf said,

00:39:57.740 we are targeting and investigating the heads of BLM and Tifa and those who fund them comments on both

00:40:04.960 of those things. So, uh, on the, on the second one, there are literally hundreds of federal

00:40:11.720 investigations running across the country into the violence around the country, not just Portland and

00:40:18.160 Kenosha. And inevitably those will also involve, uh, not just the occurrence of violence, but to the

00:40:24.980 extent funding was required to pull it off where that came from and what networking, uh, might be

00:40:30.600 involved in it. So that's unfolding as we speak, um, literally hundreds of investigations involved

00:40:36.200 there. There's nothing too specific to point to. What was your, your first, again, the first one is

00:40:40.600 the, the right wing is inflaming the protest. Right, right, right, right. This is just the latest

00:40:45.020 narrative. Look, when we, when, when we augmented our federal forces in Portland, you heard all the

00:40:50.340 media say, Oh, they cause the violence. Well, you know, that was a little ridiculous with five weeks

00:40:57.040 of violence and declarations of riots before we, before we were even seen there. Um, and Mayor Wheeler

00:41:03.340 on July 3rd saying the violence has to stop. This is from, you know, the, the main opponent there.

00:41:08.920 This is just the latest narrative, Glenn, and not one of them has survived. When the, we caused the

00:41:16.020 violence failed. They said, we made it worse. It was getting better. We made it worse. Well, we showed

00:41:20.660 the data that showed it was actually getting worse before we got there. It's why we came. Every single

00:41:25.940 narrative of the left, promptly propagated by the subservient mainstream media has been utterly

00:41:33.400 defeated by that most powerful force in the universe. Truth and truth, uh, not only will set

00:41:41.740 you free, but it will also accurately describe what's going on around you. Ken Cuccinelli. Thank

00:41:46.720 you very much. Acting DHS deputy secretary. You can follow him on Twitter at Homeland Ken.

00:41:52.140 And that's how my news is.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 01, 2020

Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Ken Cuccinelli & Michael Anton ｜ 9⧸1⧸20

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