The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Ken Cuccinelli & Richie McGinniss

00:00:00.140 Hello, podcasters, you sick freaks. Great show for you today. 0.99

00:00:05.580 What would you say was the highlight of today's radio broadcast, Stu?

00:00:12.020 So many good things. Ken Cuccinelli was on today.

00:00:14.260 Yeah.

00:00:14.620 He was great.

00:00:15.940 He's from DHS, acting deputy secretary, talking about going into Wisconsin now with the invitation from the governor.

00:00:25.900 We'll see how that works out.

00:00:26.840 We also talked to the really brave reporter from The Daily Caller who stood and a lot of the video that we have now on, what is it called?

00:00:39.040 The Rittenhouse effect?

00:00:42.040 Oh, yeah. Kyle Rittenhouse is the guy, the 17-year-old shooter that everyone's calling a white supremacist with no evidence whatsoever.

00:00:48.020 It's crazy, but he talked about this in a way that you haven't heard before, and you really need to pay attention to that.

00:00:53.440 This is like a little mini Reichstag fire.

00:00:56.460 If it wasn't for these people, these reporters going out and actually getting the story, you wouldn't know the truth.

00:01:02.380 Also, we had Burgess Owens on with us today.

00:01:05.620 We talked about schools as an add-on from last night's TV special.

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00:01:34.920 Okay, so last night, things got out of control again in Wisconsin.

00:01:43.960 I mean, I can't believe we're here even without the conventions.

00:01:47.980 I told you for, what, two years?

00:01:50.100 Wisconsin.

00:01:51.240 I would sell my house right now in Wisconsin.

00:01:53.900 Democratic convention is going to be held there.

00:01:55.720 This is going to be a summer of blood.

00:01:58.000 And I wouldn't want to own property there because it's going to be riots.

00:02:01.980 Without the convention, it's happening.

00:02:06.280 And I think worse than I would have expected this quickly, at least.

00:02:14.440 And the federal government has finally been allowed in.

00:02:20.460 The governor yesterday said to Donald Trump, okay, okay, help.

00:02:25.140 So he sent them in.

00:02:26.900 Now, we have Ken Cuccinelli on the phone.

00:02:29.680 And he's the, I want to get this right here.

00:02:34.820 Hang on.

00:02:35.140 I don't even have my glasses on.

00:02:36.540 He is the acting deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

00:02:42.640 Ken, welcome to the program.

00:02:44.800 Always good to be with you, Glenn.

00:02:46.500 So, Ken, you guys are in a really tough position.

00:02:54.120 Tell me what you're planning on doing.

00:02:56.580 And when does help arrive in Wisconsin?

00:03:00.340 So, that's fair to say.

00:03:01.900 But I would note that unlike, say, the Portland story that we've all been following for three months, and, of course, I've been in the middle of it, here we have a governor who at least is willing to use his National Guard for one of the things they exist for.

00:03:17.360 Right.

00:03:17.620 And that is keeping the peace.

00:03:19.640 He didn't bring enough numbers initially, but he kept moving the numbers up to get to a point where they're adequate.

00:03:27.500 And he and the president spoke, of course, and the president has spoken vehemently about his desire for peace in all these communities and the willingness to move people in.

00:03:38.860 And this is the peace through strength plan in the civilian environment, Glenn.

00:03:43.680 It's, you know, you bring enough law enforcement responsibly executed, and there is no violence.

00:03:50.100 We saw that happen in Minneapolis after the tragic killing of George Floyd.

00:03:54.760 The first reaction in Minneapolis was, give them room to riot, the old Baltimore concept.

00:04:00.480 Well, that didn't work.

00:04:02.000 And so then they brought in the Guard, and lo and behold, things were calmed down because those who contemplated violence knew there were consequences.

00:04:10.580 And we're seeing that shift take place in Wisconsin.

00:04:14.600 Do we wish it happened faster?

00:04:16.320 Yes.

00:04:16.680 But you'll see the Department of Justice is moving over 200 marshals, FBI agents, ATF agents into Kenosha.

00:04:27.520 They've also got extra prosecution help up there, all in addition to the Guard commitments from the president and the willingness of Governor Evers to use them.

00:04:39.760 So here's the problem that we have.

00:04:42.220 The left has run unchecked, and the American people, I mean, 5 million new gun owners in the United States just in the first quarter of this year, or second quarter of this year.

00:04:54.640 And that's all because people feel like there's nobody to protect me.

00:04:59.960 This is why the Second Amendment says a well-regulated militia, and a militia is happening as your last resort. 0.53

00:05:07.060 There's nobody coming to help you.

00:05:10.660 And that's, I think, where people are starting to feel, and that becomes very dangerous.

00:05:16.460 So how do you guys, at the federal level, because I'm a federalist, I believe in the state power.

00:05:24.840 Yeah, you too.

00:05:26.020 So how do you balance this so it doesn't spiral out of control?

00:05:30.920 Because the left wants a fight.

00:05:33.140 They want it.

00:05:34.020 They do in many respects.

00:05:37.160 I mean, you can see lots of these politicians on the left who encourage the violent protesters without condemning the violence.

00:05:46.420 And even using the phrase violent protesters is not accurate.

00:05:51.000 Those are rioters and criminals and, in some cases, terrorists.

00:05:54.240 So, you know, we do need to fix that, even myself.

00:05:59.380 But that kind of encouragement reaches a situation like we saw in Portland last weekend, where you then get, in Kenosha, frankly, you get people who don't believe that law enforcement is going to be provided or allowed to do its job adequately.

00:06:16.040 And they start showing up to do it, and very sort of frontier mentality, if you will, in some cases.

00:06:24.500 But also, it's other groups who are looking to fight.

00:06:27.880 And if you don't calm that violence soon and relatively quickly, you invite that kind of violence, which really spirals out of control.

00:06:39.160 That's war in the streets between different Americans.

00:06:43.940 And they may all be misbehaving, to put it mildly, but they've been given free reign to do so by the left-wing leadership in those communities.

00:06:54.660 And then you asked the Federalist question, which is one I'm very sensitive to.

00:06:58.760 I'm sure that's no surprise to you, that we have limited federal jurisdiction.

00:07:04.400 The federal government isn't just another police state or office.

00:07:07.940 We can't be.

00:07:09.540 Yeah.

00:07:09.840 And we can't be.

00:07:10.520 No, we don't want that.

00:07:11.660 That is a, you know, you do get what you vote for.

00:07:15.080 Yes.

00:07:15.240 And in Portland, they're getting destruction.

00:07:17.900 And they're not going to, I mean, would you open a business in Portland in the next 50 years?

00:07:22.380 No.

00:07:22.460 I wouldn't.

00:07:22.680 No.

00:07:23.320 No, it's going to destroy these cities.

00:07:25.140 It is going to destroy these cities.

00:07:26.460 That's right.

00:07:27.160 And the people least able to adjust to that are the poorest people in those cities.

00:07:33.400 So, Ken, help me out on this.

00:07:34.880 You used to be the attorney general for the state of Virginia.

00:07:40.120 Right.

00:07:40.240 This kid that shot the guy in the head the other day and then shot the other guy in the arm, 0.75

00:07:46.600 he is being painted as, you know, just this militia white supremacist kind of guy.

00:07:52.000 I would not want my kid down there.

00:07:53.960 I would tell them not to go.

00:07:55.280 I would say, even if you want to be an angel of mercy, then you have to be like Mother Teresa.

00:07:59.420 Don't bring a gun.

00:08:00.280 It's a dangerous, dangerous situation.

00:08:04.500 However, we have him on tape a half hour before talking about his view.

00:08:09.560 He seems like he's just there. 0.96

00:08:10.980 He's like, look, I'm only bringing my gun because I'm not stupid.

00:08:13.600 I know it's dangerous and I'm going to defend myself, but I'm here to do medical aid.

00:08:18.540 Then you have the guy who was killed.

00:08:21.860 We have him on three different occasions taunting and chasing and tackling this kid.

00:08:27.960 The third time is when he turns because he's right on top of him and shoots and he continues to chase him and then he shoots him in the head.

00:08:38.580 Then the other guy that he shoots while he's laying down, we have video of that guy approaching him with a gun, pointing it to him like execution style.

00:08:49.020 And that's when he shoots that guy's arm off.

00:08:51.320 They're charging him with first degree murder.

00:08:56.160 How?

00:08:58.000 Well, that's a pretty knee jerk reaction.

00:09:02.880 And, you know, they're charging him because he shot people, but you're going to see undoubtedly the self-defense argument made.

00:09:11.840 I tweeted on this yesterday, noting with a lot of the interviews that this kid happened to give beforehand, he was not speaking against any of the people protesting or any of the views.

00:09:24.680 So, you know, you've got to.

00:09:27.040 And my point that I was tweeting about is this is complex investigation.

00:09:31.640 And to your point that the instant labeling is likely inaccurate, though, I don't have enough information to draw a conclusion.

00:09:41.100 Neither do I.

00:09:41.680 I don't want to do that either.

00:09:42.700 But my point is neither does anybody else.

00:09:45.600 Correct.

00:09:46.340 And but there's a desire to paint a narrative out there that there's a lot of evidence just with this particular kid that doesn't seem to fit.

00:09:56.340 So I would note that to our earlier discussion, when you let violence run amok like this, you get people who just feel like they're, you know, doing their duty, backing up police.

00:10:11.380 Correct.

00:10:11.780 Obviously, without the training, without the coordination of mutual support of other security forces going out there and and trying to do what this kid was doing.

00:10:24.640 And you end up with this kind of scattered violence.

00:10:28.740 And and I don't think anybody wants that.

00:10:31.180 No.

00:10:31.440 Anywhere in any of their cities.

00:10:32.840 And yet, I mean, Kenosha, it's not like I know, you know, Detroit.

00:10:38.140 I know.

00:10:38.300 But I tell you, Ken, any city in America, they they we had several reports last night of neighborhoods, people walking down the street three o'clock in the morning.

00:10:47.820 Wake up, wake up.

00:10:49.400 You know, give us your houses that what that emails from Richmond.

00:10:53.380 You know, there's nothing has happened in Richmond, per se.

00:10:55.980 I got an email yet this morning about incidents like this from last night.

00:11:00.580 And when that multiple gunshots as well, when that happens, you will have, you know, citizens watch parties and they'll have guns.

00:11:10.280 And because if they feel the police are not going to help them, they will band together.

00:11:17.000 And that's a bad situation.

00:11:19.040 But I completely understand it.

00:11:21.260 If I think police are not coming to my neighborhood, you're damn right. 0.99

00:11:24.460 I've got a gun and I'll shoot you on my property. 0.98

00:11:27.480 Well, and honestly, self-defense is the most the single most important thing. 0.98

00:11:33.540 The Second Amendment is for right.

00:11:35.180 Right.

00:11:35.400 So there were no police in 1791 when when that was ratified.

00:11:42.460 And, you know, there weren't for many, many years in the United States.

00:11:47.320 So people are used to the cultural requirement of at least being their first line of defense.

00:11:56.800 We are our own first line of defense.

00:11:59.120 Correct.

00:11:59.340 And when you are in cities where you've got politicians who refuse, as we see in Portland, to do police work, then you can fully expect to see more of this kind of response.

00:12:12.900 People are going to take things on themselves and they don't have, you know, crowd control munitions.

00:12:17.980 When they're threatened, they only have one next step to go to, and that's shooting for self-defense.

00:12:23.680 And if we want to avoid this, we need we need better leadership in many of these cities.

00:12:28.400 Ken, I know you are you're a little busy today, so I know your time pressure.

00:12:33.680 Let me just ask you one more question.

00:12:35.300 I started the show saying normally the biggest storm to hit Louisiana in 160 years, the most powerful storm to hit that area in 160 years would be the lead story in all anybody's talking about.

00:12:47.400 But we have so many other things.

00:12:49.820 I don't want to lose sight of that.

00:12:51.740 What are you guys doing down there?

00:12:54.180 So Laura made landfall at 2 a.m. this morning Eastern Time.

00:12:58.260 It was it came with a big storm surge, very big.

00:13:02.980 And, you know, we we measure these hurricanes on wind, but the water does so much damage.

00:13:07.860 And and that's that's where our fear resides more than anything.

00:13:13.000 We pre-positioned 500,000 meals, 100,000 liters of water and numerous teams to be prepared to respond as soon as the danger struck.

00:13:25.940 And all our teams are in action right now.

00:13:28.780 Laura has not moved out of Louisiana.

00:13:30.780 It's moving northeast, probably crossing the state for the duration of the day, headed into Arkansas.

00:13:36.280 And, you know, the secretaries talked to both governors yesterday.

00:13:44.000 And, you know, there's much teamwork and preparation as we can do is in place.

00:13:49.300 And we in the federal government are supportive.

00:13:52.820 That's our role is to support the state and local responses.

00:13:56.780 And while Louisiana is experienced at this, it's not the kind of experience any state wants.

00:14:02.380 Yeah. So we're we're prepared to do an awful lot of work to to help keep folks safe there and to help those communities recover.

00:14:10.100 Because and that's something the president already declared emergencies.

00:14:13.660 He's got he's he's got us leaning forward as far as we can.

00:14:17.240 Eighty one miles north of Lake Charles.

00:14:19.540 The real scary thing in New Orleans really is New Orleans because it's just a bowl.

00:14:25.480 And if it fills up, how is New Orleans doing?

00:14:28.140 Have you heard?

00:14:28.640 Well, as of yesterday, I actually talked to folks in New Orleans and and when you compare weather across the whole front, they were doing pretty well.

00:14:38.580 And as you know, you know, we talked about water.

00:14:44.040 The flooding can can hit New Orleans later.

00:14:47.600 It doesn't have to be immediate.

00:14:48.800 So that's something that the Army Corps and the rest of us will keep our eye on as well.

00:14:54.100 Ken, thank you very much.

00:14:55.560 Ken Cuccinelli from the Department of Homeland Security.

00:14:58.640 Thank you.

00:15:02.720 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:15:14.720 Yesterday, we told you what was going on in Kenosha and the shooting that happened.

00:15:19.980 And and this morning we had the deputy secretary or assistant secretary of DHS on with us.

00:15:30.260 Ken Cuccinelli.

00:15:31.120 He was talking about the National Guard not only going down to Louisiana and everything that's been happening with the federal government down in Louisiana,

00:15:38.340 but also the Wisconsin governor finally said to Donald Trump.

00:15:45.440 OK, OK, we'll take your help.

00:15:47.380 So they're on their way up to Kenosha.

00:15:49.520 One of the really the only reason we know what's going on and that there is a chance that what's now being called the Rittenhouse incident is is known and doesn't become the Reichstag fire.

00:16:06.380 Is because we have people on the ground, really brave reporters who are willing to go in and and videotape.

00:16:17.600 And so we have this incident from like four different angles.

00:16:21.720 Now, none of them from the networks, the networks are saying this was straight up murder.

00:16:27.320 Well, I don't know.

00:16:29.360 I think you could make a case that not even close, but we'll see how this plays out.

00:16:34.800 Richie McGinnis, he is with the Daily Caller and he is the chief video director and he has been there.

00:16:40.680 In fact, he's the guy who first rushed to the guy that was shot in the head and helped him into the ambulance, help carry his body to help.

00:16:50.300 And Richie is with us now.

00:16:52.160 Richie, how are you?

00:16:54.480 I'm good, Glenn.

00:16:55.400 Thanks for having me on.

00:16:56.140 First of all, I mean this sincerely.

00:16:58.900 It's not just a quick, how are you?

00:17:01.480 You guys have got to be, you're running on very little sleep and there's got to be some PTSD going on.

00:17:09.320 Are you, are you sleeping?

00:17:11.820 Are you doing all right?

00:17:14.640 Last night I slept quite well, actually.

00:17:17.020 I think it's actually taken a bit of time to sink in.

00:17:20.000 Yeah.

00:17:20.280 But yeah, as far as that, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that our first responders and law enforcement do.

00:17:26.140 I know.

00:17:27.400 Do you, do you have a bulletproof vest?

00:17:31.400 Not yet, but.

00:17:32.360 Okay.

00:17:32.700 I should get one.

00:17:33.560 You have one coming?

00:17:35.380 Because I.

00:17:35.600 Around in front of me.

00:17:36.660 Yeah, I think I should get one.

00:17:37.960 Yeah.

00:17:38.440 Okay.

00:17:38.700 So I would, I would like to supply you with one and I will, I'll get you a vest and we'll see what we can do to protect you.

00:17:48.680 I know you, you know, you don't work with me and we don't really, you know, know each other, but I really respect what you're doing.

00:17:55.660 And I really thank you for being there to document it because we're in real trouble if somebody doesn't do what you're doing.

00:18:05.480 Tell me, tell me exactly what happened that night.

00:18:12.620 What did you see?

00:18:13.680 So actually right before the shooting took place, I witnessed the riot control clear out protesters from an area that had been burned out two consecutive nights.

00:18:28.340 And actually the night prior to the shooting, I saw the business that Kyle was standing in front of burning with the business owners and some employees of that business using a power washer to try to put out the fire because, because the fire trucks weren't coming.

00:18:41.760 And so the next night I saw Kyle, along with a number of armed men, some of them were also on the roof of the business, standing with what looked to be AR-15 in, at least over Kyle's shoulder.

00:18:54.760 And I immediately asked if any of them would be interested in doing the interview as to why they were there.

00:18:58.860 And Kyle volunteered.

00:18:59.760 He actually didn't volunteer his name, but he said that he was willing to appear on camera and get an interview.

00:19:04.780 So I interviewed him for about two and a half minutes.

00:19:07.120 And actually, after the interview concluded, they said, we're going to go try to find if anybody needs medical aid after this, after the riot control just came through, tear gas people.

00:19:20.240 So they actually went out into the crowd to, left the dealership to, Kyle was trying, shouting out, does anybody need medical aid?

00:19:27.180 Does anybody need medical aid?

00:19:28.260 Is there any indication from you, Richie, that he was, you know, a white supremacist, that he had the intention of going out and shooting people or, I mean, they're, they're charging him with first degree murder.

00:19:52.460 Any, any indication that that's who this guy was?

00:19:58.800 So obviously I'm not going to speculate on the legal side of things, you know, whether it was murder, whether it was self-defense, that's, that's worse to decide.

00:20:05.280 But what I, what I can say is that during the brief time that I met him, he came across as a very young and innocent kid who did not know the degree of the situation that he was in.

00:20:17.980 And, and, you know, again, I only spoke to him for about two minutes and that was the first time I had ever seen him before, but that was my first perception.

00:20:26.520 He told me that he was there both to protect the business and to make sure that anybody who needed medical aid would get it.

00:20:34.700 And he also did note the absence of police and necessity for somebody to provide a degree of law and order.

00:20:42.080 So that was, you know, it was, again, it was only about a two and a half minute interaction.

00:20:45.380 So, so I, yeah, right.

00:20:48.060 Okay.

00:20:48.420 So you were there when he was, he didn't trip and fall.

00:20:53.240 He was kicked to the ground.

00:20:55.660 And a guy came at him with a skateboard, was going to beat him with that.

00:20:59.160 Another guy came at him with a gun.

00:21:01.820 I mean, he, he, this looks like total self-defense to me.

00:21:07.160 Did you see, did you witness that part of the shooting too?

00:21:10.940 Or were you with.

00:21:12.660 So actually I was in the hospital by then.

00:21:14.740 Well, actually I was heading to the hospital by then.

00:21:18.480 The shooting that I witnessed was the first shooting, which is the one playing right now.

00:21:24.420 And that was when things really started.

00:21:27.800 I believe that the second shooting that took place very, very soon after, but after the shots were fired, people were just looking for individuals with guns to, you know, detain or whatever.

00:21:39.680 So even, even the New York, even the New York Times said in their tick tock that they released today that the, the guy who was shot was pursuing.

00:21:52.100 We have him on tape as being a real antagonist to these guys, calling them all kinds of names that we can't say on the air, the N word, et cetera, et cetera.

00:22:01.380 He was picking a fight.

00:22:02.600 He had tried to jump Rittenhouse several times, at least two that we know of.

00:22:09.000 And when you look at what the New York Times is reporting, they're saying that, and you can see it on the videotape, your videotape.

00:22:17.800 There, there is a shot.

00:22:21.720 He's running.

00:22:22.980 He sees the guy behind him.

00:22:25.660 He hears a shot.

00:22:27.340 He thinks he's being fired at.

00:22:29.600 He turns around, tries to shoot at the guy.

00:22:32.020 The guy continues to chase him.

00:22:34.060 I think it's six shots ring out from elsewhere that you can, you can hear, right?

00:22:40.000 Yeah, I actually, um, that was my, two of my colleagues, uh, who, who filmed the video.

00:22:46.420 I was actually six or seven feet behind them.

00:22:48.240 And once I realized that this situation was turning into a situation where somebody was going to get shot, I actually focused more on what was in front of me than my phone in my hand.

00:22:59.660 And actually I was about seven feet behind them when, uh, the shot, uh, reached for Kyle's weapon.

00:23:09.580 I saw that happen and he basically avoided the reach and then fired.

00:23:16.780 What I saw were three shots from Kyle's gun, but I also heard some other shots coming from elsewhere.

00:23:23.500 So you, but you were behind, did you fear for your life?

00:23:27.720 Is it reasonable to believe that, that Kyle was freaking out thinking they were shooting at him?

00:23:33.840 Yeah, so actually I was running behind them because me being the middle of three brothers, my first instinct was to yell at them to, to chill out because I knew, and I've been in Seattle, I've been in Portland, I've been in New York, I've been in DC.

00:23:48.460 These, these protest zones, things spiral out of control very quickly.

00:23:50.960 So knowing that Kyle was a young man that I just interviewed with a very powerful weapon in his hands, I was trying to emphasize the fact that everybody just needed to stop because this was going to get bad quickly.

00:24:02.360 And basically the moment that I was doing that, I was running behind them.

00:24:05.080 Kyle turned around and I'm not sure if he turned around because the shot rang out or if he turned around because the man was pursuing him and he felt cornered.

00:24:14.720 But what I do know is that the moment that he turned around, I entered the line of fire because I was behind that man just about seven feet.

00:24:22.760 And you can see in the video, I'm actually standing right there.

00:24:24.480 I take about two steps back.

00:24:26.180 I'm not sure if it was Kyle's weapon or if it was the other shots that were fired, but I felt some concrete hit my legs.

00:24:32.660 And I assumed that that was some kind of ricochet or something.

00:24:34.980 But once I realized that I actually hadn't been hit, I ran over to provide medical aid to the man who was lying lifeless on the ground.

00:24:43.540 And I actually didn't realize at the time I saw Kyle run and I assumed that he was gone.

00:24:48.240 But he actually goes around the car and comes up behind me as I'm kneeled over him.

00:24:53.380 And I actually turned and just saw legs next to me.

00:24:55.540 And I said, what are you doing?

00:24:56.540 Call 911.

00:24:57.800 And the individual who I now realized hours, hours later that it was Kyle pulled out his phone.

00:25:03.660 And I don't know who he called or what he did, but he ran away very soon after that.

00:25:08.900 As the crowd descended on the body that I was trying to provide assistance to.

00:25:16.200 Richie, again, thank you for what you do.

00:25:21.240 I have to ask this question.

00:25:23.220 Why are you doing this?

00:25:24.360 Glenn, when all of this stuff started after George Floyd was killed or died, our team is based in Washington, D.C.

00:25:39.260 And we were there at the White House on the ground when things really started to spiral out of control.

00:25:44.140 And as these protest zones sprung up around the country, what we noticed is that nobody was on the ground in the 12 a.m. to 4 a.m. hours when all of the actual violence takes place.

00:25:55.880 So we went to Seattle, for example.

00:25:59.680 You see all the network news reporters out there.

00:26:01.900 Well, it's very much a party-like atmosphere out here.

00:26:05.620 And you'd see them do their dayside hits.

00:26:07.200 You'd see them do their hits at 7 p.m.

00:26:08.800 And it was at that time.

00:26:10.720 But they weren't out there at 12 a.m. or 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. when fights were happening with individuals who were all armed with no police officers anywhere to be seen.

00:26:20.180 And no chance for police to even come in there because they really couldn't.

00:26:25.680 So I knew that that was our video team's responsibility to tell the American public exactly what was going on in those zones at that time.

00:26:36.260 Because the prevailing narrative was that, you know, it was peaceful and all kumbaya.

00:26:40.820 And what we saw and what we reported on, it speaks to itself.

00:26:44.940 I don't know if this was your video last night, but I saw a sheriff's, you know, armored car come in to Kenosha last night.

00:26:53.780 And these guys had guns.

00:26:56.540 They were calling the sheriffs all kinds of names.

00:26:59.440 Come on out.

00:27:00.240 Fight.

00:27:00.620 Come on out.

00:27:01.520 It was ugly.

00:27:02.680 What are you expecting people to do when the feds arrive?

00:27:09.820 It's interesting because what we saw happen in Portland is, I think, very much being reflected here.

00:27:16.680 The courthouse is really, in this case, it's a county courthouse, not a federal courthouse.

00:27:20.340 But it's very much the center of the protests.

00:27:22.680 And actually, they put up a fence that's almost exactly the same construction as the one in Portland.

00:27:26.880 And what happened in Portland is when the feds arrived, things escalated because the perception of the protesters, or whatever you want to call them, was that, you know, Donald Trump was putting his foot in their community.

00:27:43.180 And I think that this is only the beginning of the protests that we're going to see here in Kenosha as well, similar to what we're seeing in Portland.

00:27:53.700 All right.

00:27:54.620 Richie, thank you.

00:27:55.400 Please stay safe.

00:27:56.560 Please stay safe.

00:27:57.280 And reach out.

00:27:57.840 If there's anything that I can do for you, please reach out.

00:28:02.580 You are doing important work.

00:28:05.320 God bless.

00:28:06.200 Thanks.

00:28:06.500 I want to play a couple of clips from last night.

00:28:21.820 Here's Burgess Owens on what the people want you to believe.

00:28:26.600 I was raised in the South during the days of Jim Crow and the KKK.

00:28:30.880 Even through the challenges of segregation, we were taught that anything is possible in America.

00:28:36.960 When I was 22 years old, I thought all my dreams had come true when I was drafted by the New York Jets.

00:28:43.140 Ten years later, with a Pro Bowl nod and a Super Bowl championship under my belt, I left the NFL to start a business.

00:28:49.880 I thought I could never fail, but years later I did, and I lost everything.

00:28:54.880 As I moved my family of six into a one-bedroom basement apartment in Brooklyn, New York, I had a choice to make.

00:29:01.760 To feel sorry for myself or get to work.

00:29:03.920 I worked as a chimney sweep during the day, and a security guard at night.

00:29:09.160 It was humbling to be recognized cleaning a chimney by someone who once cheered me as an NFL fan.

00:29:15.440 But those hard days would pay off, and eventually I started a career, a rewarding career, in the corporate world.

00:29:22.040 We live in a country where we're encouraged to dream big, where second chances are at the core of our American DNA.

00:29:27.980 We don't hear that same message from Nancy Pelosi's Congress, career politicians, elitists, and even a former bartender who want us to believe it's impossible.

00:29:39.260 They want us to believe that what I did, what my great-great-grandfather did, is impossible for ordinary Americans.

00:29:45.100 Burgess Owens is with us now.

00:29:48.420 Burgess, first of all, hello, Gov!

00:29:50.740 I didn't know you were a chimney sweep.

00:29:52.100 I didn't know you were a chimney sweep.

00:29:54.320 Oh, yeah.

00:29:55.220 Yeah.

00:29:56.080 It was a very important chapter in my life, to be honest with you.

00:29:58.740 It's called A Humbling Process.

00:30:00.100 Yeah.

00:30:00.660 It was good.

00:30:01.300 I bet it was.

00:30:03.100 I mean, I know what it's like to be at the top of the world, and then not be at the top of the world, and that is a really difficult thing to, if you don't expect, if you don't accept that as a great lesson of humility, it can really drive you crazy.

00:30:21.700 Congratulations.

00:30:22.880 Well, thank you, Glenn.

00:30:23.840 And I'll tell you, this is the thing that one American can tell the other, the greatest words, nine words of hope, if I can do it, you can do it.

00:30:30.920 And we all go through our obstacles, that's what we have to realize.

00:30:33.540 There's nobody exempt from it.

00:30:35.440 We just have to embrace it, not hoard those tough times.

00:30:38.380 Let people know.

00:30:39.000 Listen, I know what it looks like.

00:30:40.600 So, country, as long as you're green big, as long as you hang tough and just keep up the good work, keep the faith, good things are happening in this country.

00:30:47.580 That's what it's all about.

00:30:48.340 So, I noticed during your speech, they put, last night, they started putting up to register to vote, text this number.

00:30:57.100 And I think that the RNC has done the best job of reaching out to a community that they have only just kind of scratched the surface because they've never believed it was worth the time, that nobody would ever change their vote, that no black person would ever vote for a Republican over a Democrat.

00:31:17.320 And this convention is so different than any RNC convention I've ever seen.

00:31:25.280 Well, you know what it is, we're at a point, Glenn, and we look at it, it's been a really rough year, but it's also a year in which we're more gray.

00:31:34.180 We're seeing, for no question, what we've been talking about for years.

00:31:38.600 It's no longer hypothetical what socialism looks like.

00:31:41.640 We see it full face, and we have Americans across the board can finally have conversations about what we don't want.

00:31:47.960 We want light.

00:31:48.700 We want hope.

00:31:49.860 We want opportunity.

00:31:51.120 We don't want dark, depression, death, and destruction.

00:31:54.520 We never have been there, and I think that the left, just because they have no vision, they have no idea they've pushed it way too far, and American people are just not going to put up with it.

00:32:04.880 So, Burgess, let me ask you this.

00:32:06.760 I know to some degree, because I've been told what it is like to be a conservative and black, and so many times, and I've had this experience being conservative in New York, where people will come up and say,

00:32:21.060 I'm conservative too, but don't say anything.

00:32:24.060 Is that changing in the black community, where they're not whispering as much?

00:32:29.220 Are you seeing it?

00:32:30.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:32:31.760 It's a sea change.

00:32:32.920 It is.

00:32:33.460 I think the greatest president of President Obama was that he's such a lousy president that black people finally say, you know, whatever happened, I hope it changed. 0.98

00:32:40.320 What really was the deal? 0.53

00:32:41.240 And we have people, literally, when I go to the airports, black people wearing MAGA hats. 0.54

00:32:45.400 We have a walk-away campaign.

00:32:47.400 We have the Blexus.

00:32:48.940 That is what's scaring the left so much.

00:32:51.260 They have been addicted to us for decades, and we're finally realizing that we're not just walking away.

00:32:56.300 We're sprinting away.

00:32:57.540 So, no, I'm excited about what's happening.

00:32:59.080 And for those who are just kind of, you know, what I think is going to happen, those who still don't quite understand all of the ways that we believe in our party,

00:33:09.940 they're realizing when they see their homes being destroyed or their lives, their businesses being just upended,

00:33:16.240 they're realizing that there's something wrong with the party they were part of.

00:33:19.140 And all we have to do is have more voices like ours, and that's going to continue to move us in the right direction.

00:33:23.640 I feel very hopeful, Glenn, for what's happening across the country.

00:33:26.620 You know, it was a lot easier to make this case before COVID because people were actually seeing it.

00:33:34.800 Now they're struggling again, and the black communities, and it's not helping in some cities when they're burning things down to the ground. 1.00

00:33:43.540 Antifa is doing that.

00:33:45.080 Yeah.

00:33:46.500 How is the attitude towards the economy?

00:33:51.420 Because when people are hungry, you know, they're hungry.

00:33:57.280 Well, here's the deal. 0.96

00:34:00.060 When you have black people who all they want is life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, 1.00

00:34:04.060 and they see these white BLM.inc people coming through with a few blacks that are kind of with them, 0.97

00:34:10.280 they see Antifa, and they're destroying their community, destroying their livelihood,

00:34:14.000 and they're telling us they need to defund.

00:34:17.060 The black community is probably getting it, that they never have been a priority to the left.

00:34:21.420 And the more messages we get out there like we're doing right now, the more they're going to understand it.

00:34:25.700 So I think there's going to be a big sea change, to be honest with you.

00:34:28.660 And I'll say this, Glenn.

00:34:29.560 And I've always believed that the black community and the Hispanic community and those minorities that we've been kind of marginalized to a degree

00:34:37.280 are going to be the communities that as we pull ourselves back from the abyss, we'll pull our entire country back.

00:34:43.100 History will be told that it was the black, it was the minority communities that truly was a salvation for our nation,

00:34:48.640 because we're getting it, we're waking up, and as we do so, the left has so little power,

00:34:54.260 and they cannot get their illegals in fast enough to replace us. 0.55

00:34:58.320 And they can't get enough torsionally ballots in to replace us.

00:35:03.480 So this will go down in history as the minorities, those who had trouble assimilating,

00:35:09.180 as being the people that bring our country back and show the rest of the world what America really looks like.

00:35:14.460 We're talking to Burgess Owens.

00:35:17.320 He is a candidate, you know, 4th District in Utah, right?

00:35:21.360 Yep, yep.

00:35:22.100 Not something, I mean, I've known you for a long time, not something that you've ever wanted to do,

00:35:27.400 which I think you should wear that as a badge of honor.

00:35:33.480 Well, you know, Glenn, when our conversation is always about the second chance of little youth,

00:35:38.160 it was all about the kids that we all believe is our future.

00:35:41.460 And I realized this time last year that if we don't get the house back,

00:35:45.160 our kids here in Utah, around the country, do not have a chance.

00:35:48.440 Because it's always been about policies.

00:35:50.200 And as we know, the left, the elitists, love to put in policies to keep people miserable, dependent, and hopeless.

00:35:56.880 And you see that now across the country.

00:35:58.640 So we have such a good group.

00:36:01.420 I'll say that those that are listening, look at your district.

00:36:04.460 If you have a Republican standing, vote for him or her, support them.

00:36:08.840 This is a very different class of individuals that are patriots,

00:36:12.880 that know how to replicate a president who understands what American-loving leadership looks like.

00:36:17.220 We can change this country in such a big way by getting the House,

00:36:20.640 putting some more backbone in our Senate, and allowing our president to have four more years.

00:36:23.800 I say this, we have a renaissance ahead of us.

00:36:26.980 Great things will come together, and we'll finally point out who our true enemy is.

00:36:31.200 And it's not each other.

00:36:32.220 It's that hard left, Marxist and socialist, that's done so much damage to so many who've trusted him in the past.

00:36:37.000 We're talking to Burgess Owens.

00:36:39.720 Burgess, when you stood on the stage last night and did that, can you just take me,

00:36:44.400 just a personal kind of thing, take me through what it's like to receive a call from whomever,

00:36:51.680 does the White House call you, and say, we want you to speak,

00:36:56.660 and then to find yourself on a stage knowing that 20 million people are listening to your words.

00:37:02.580 What is the pressure like?

00:37:04.440 What is that like?

00:37:05.740 Thank goodness, Glenn, we didn't talk, and you were going to tell me those 20 million people.

00:37:09.940 I might have had a different approach on it if I had known that.

00:37:12.820 But here's the thing.

00:37:14.220 This is where dreams can come true.

00:37:16.060 Two years ago, I wrote my last book, Why I Stand, and I was hoping, not thinking about politics,

00:37:21.580 hoping to just get a present so I can some way be able to go across the country

00:37:24.940 and help give a voice to those who are running for office that needed my voice.

00:37:29.000 And I've always hoped that maybe, hopefully, I can maybe be part of a convention.

00:37:33.460 Maybe my voice could be there.

00:37:35.100 So for me to get that call, it was just a confirmation.

00:37:38.920 Dream big.

00:37:40.040 Go toward it.

00:37:41.140 Know that there's a perfect plan out there.

00:37:43.080 If you want to make a difference, Heavenly Father will find a way for you to do that.

00:37:45.860 And I just thought it was just remarkable.

00:37:48.480 And to get through it and then to say, finally, that the talk worked out pretty good,

00:37:54.260 for me, that was a magic moment.

00:37:55.920 I could relax and now go back and enjoy it.

00:37:57.880 So it was a good one.

00:37:59.520 It really was an exciting moment.

00:38:01.080 That's good.

00:38:01.500 We'll watch you go through this whole cycle.

00:38:04.340 And thank you for everything that you have done.

00:38:06.580 And you were fantastic on our special this summer when you were out at Gettysburg talking about,

00:38:13.020 was it your great-grandfather or your great-grandfather?

00:38:15.460 Great-great-grandfather Salisberg.

00:38:17.180 And everybody's beginning to know about him.

00:38:19.180 And I'm so thankful because that is the American dream.

00:38:21.360 That's the American way.

00:38:22.140 Tell her real quick.

00:38:23.040 That's how you get here.

00:38:23.960 Tell her real quick.

00:38:24.560 Great-great-grandfather Salisberg came here in the village of the slave ship,

00:38:27.760 eight years old, escaped to the north of the Underground Railroad,

00:38:31.760 got out to Texas, became a successful entrepreneur,

00:38:33.840 started the first black church, the first black elementary school,

00:38:38.500 first 102 acres of land paid off in two years,

00:38:41.320 and was a tremendous Christian who was able to forgive because of the people he met

00:38:46.200 coming across the plains and realized that all whites were not bad. 1.00

00:38:50.800 There were good Americans out there helping them to make it happen.

00:38:53.400 And that's what we, the people, Glenn, have always done.

00:38:55.480 If we ever learn our history, we can never, ever go to the racist race

00:39:01.400 because we have been so good to helping each other out.

00:39:04.160 It doesn't matter what our color are, what our religion is.

00:39:06.720 We, the people, have done great things.

00:39:08.100 We just have to remember that.

00:39:09.140 And he's a good example of that, by the way.

00:39:11.260 Burgess, thank you so much.

00:39:12.640 It's an honor to be your friend.

00:39:13.880 Burgess4Utah.com.

00:39:16.400 Burgess4Utah.com.

00:39:19.100 Thank you so much, Burgess.

00:39:20.280 Thank you, Glenn.

00:39:21.140 All right.

00:39:21.360 Bye-bye.

00:39:21.760 We got him to win.

00:39:23.140 He needs to win.

00:39:24.460 Maybe great.

00:39:25.260 Yeah.

00:39:25.560 You know, by the way, the last poll,

00:39:28.300 there's only been one poll that I've seen from that race.

00:39:30.860 It was an exact tie.

00:39:32.840 So this is a very, you know, very winnable for Burgess.

00:39:35.800 He'd be great in Congress.

00:39:37.960 And it's in Utah.

00:39:39.920 It's a swing district.

00:39:41.400 I can't believe that he wouldn't win, but, you know,

00:39:44.520 I don't know who the American people are anymore.

00:39:47.240 I really don't.

00:39:48.760 Na-na-na-na.

The Glenn Beck Program - August 27, 2020

Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Ken Cuccinelli & Richie McGinniss

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