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00:00:00.000 Welcome to the podcast. In such a wonderful, soothing time, we find out that the writer

00:00:05.040 of the series Black Mirror says he can't write anymore because we're just already living

00:00:10.220 Black Mirror. It's too real and we can't really do anymore. That's terrifying. We find out

00:00:16.480 the truth behind some of the Michigan protests actually misrepresented by the media. Who

00:00:21.140 would have believed it? Brad Meltzer joins us to kind of give us some historical perspective.

00:00:25.700 Uh, Ken Paxson is the, uh, is the Attorney General of Texas and he's on to talk about

00:00:32.860 the jailing of a Dallas salon owner. Uh, that one had a major development basically during

00:00:38.000 the interview. We talked to a couple of other people who are trying to keep their businesses

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00:01:15.020 Here's the podcast. Oh yeah, this is the Glenn Beck program. So yesterday I get a phone call from

00:01:38.020 somebody on my staff and they said, uh, Glenn, uh, you remember, uh, Carolyn, uh, Borsenko. And I

00:01:43.960 said, yes, isn't she the woman from like New Hampshire? She's the, the Zen psychologist. Yeah,

00:01:51.980 yeah, yeah. Right. She was the one who went to the, uh, she was a, a lefty and she went to a Trump 0.90

00:02:00.260 rally because she didn't like being told, you know, what to do. And she wanted to conquer her fear and

00:02:05.680 everything else. And she found out that, wow, Trump people are really nice. It's not like what

00:02:10.500 everybody is saying that they are. She's got a really, really great open mind. When I talked to

00:02:15.680 her on the air, I said, I think, I don't think you're, I think you're actually joining our side.

00:02:20.100 I think you're come to the dock side. Uh, and, uh, we laughed about it. And so I thought,

00:02:26.120 why is she calling? She was calling because of what I said yesterday, apparently on the air about,

00:02:32.480 uh, the Michigan rally. And I was warning people, please know that we are an image driven society.

00:02:40.460 Please, if you're carrying something, if you're, that's why I, at my things, I've always said,

00:02:45.540 please, no signs, no signs because the media will just latch on to one image and then it's over.

00:02:52.420 You have to be careful. Don't drive, you know, up to these things with, uh, with a firearm,

00:02:59.340 just, you have the right to do it. Yes, you do, but the media will latch onto those things and it

00:03:06.280 will hurt you in the long run. So just be careful. So when I got that call, I thought, okay, Carolyn,

00:03:12.940 ah, she's, she didn't come to the dock side. She's back to her dock side. No, not so much.

00:03:18.860 She actually wanted to correct me and make sure that I knew that these were really good people at

00:03:25.500 these protests. Carolyn, welcome to the program. Hi, Glenn. Thank you. And it's Carlin like George

00:03:31.080 Carlin. Oh, Carlin. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Carlin. Uh, so, uh, uh, so, so what do I have the

00:03:38.120 story? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Essentially. So I ended up speaking to the organizers of the Michigan protest

00:03:44.640 to the other day on my YouTube channel, just because I was fascinated with the whole thing. And

00:03:48.800 we had a great conversation and then just comparing what they said to what was in the media,

00:03:53.640 there are some discrepancies. I love you. I absolutely love you. I really do. I think

00:04:02.920 you're amazing. Okay. So what are the discrepancies? I know of one, the guy who was the guy who has,

00:04:12.080 he's kind of balding and he's got a big beard, uh, and he was photographed and it looks like he's

00:04:18.060 yelling at the police, but actually he's not yelling at the police. Uh, is that right?

00:04:24.300 He's not yelling at the police at all. He's yelling past the police because they're yelling

00:04:28.360 into the room where the vote was taking place. And the entire goal of this rally was to make sure

00:04:33.920 the legislature in Michigan voted not to be able to, not to extend the governor's executive's order.

00:04:39.640 That was the whole goal. And so they were yelling at them as they were taking the vote to vote. No.

00:04:44.380 And that's not the way it was spun. Okay. So you say that there, you say that there are the things

00:04:54.760 that maybe I or other conservatives are doing, uh, that, uh, is we have wrong. So tell, talk to the

00:05:02.500 conservatives that in me that may have it wrong. Go ahead. Yeah. The biggest thing is that the entire

00:05:09.720 rally was coordinated with law enforcement from the very beginning. So there's this,

00:05:14.500 this perception that the police were put in danger. Law enforcement was put in danger. That's

00:05:18.560 absolutely untrue. The organizers of the rally coordinated with law enforcement, literally

00:05:23.040 every step of the way, leading up to the rally, the day before the rally, during the rally,

00:05:27.060 they coordinated with law enforcement to make sure there was a specific path kept open for the

00:05:31.460 hospital in case people needed to get there. Permits were issued when they went into the Capitol

00:05:36.540 building. Their temperatures were taken. It was all very orderly. The militia folks that were there,

00:05:41.940 the ones with the big guns, which I agree is not the best, the best photo in the world,

00:05:46.080 but there are other photos that show that the police were actually like hanging out with the

00:05:50.480 militia guys and smiling. So there wasn't an adversarial relationship. Everyone was working

00:05:55.200 together. So, so, so Carla, I want you to know that I don't believe there is an adversarial

00:06:00.800 relationship with the police. I know these kinds of people. I've, I've been doing this for a

00:06:06.520 long time. I know these kinds of people. What I, I learned from Martin Luther King that love is

00:06:13.840 always the answer. That's great. These people are loving people for the most part. I mean,

00:06:19.240 there's creeps in every crowd, but these are families. These are regular Americans that believe

00:06:24.340 in good things and yada, yada, yada. But the, what I'm always concerned about is the other thing I

00:06:30.760 learned from Martin Luther King. It is an image that will destroy you. It is one photograph that

00:06:37.960 will destroy you. It's the dogs barking, um, with really peaceful black people walking down the street 1.00

00:06:45.480 that turned America's head because there was no way to position that. So I'm just concerned about

00:06:51.920 the images. King was very disciplined and it's hard with libertarians to say, okay, guys, we've got to

00:06:59.100 organize and have a set of rules. It's like herding cats can't be done, but we have to have discipline

00:07:05.160 to make sure because we know how dishonest the press is. We know how images will be used against us

00:07:11.940 because it's been done before. And, and I agree with everything that you just said, but I guess I'm

00:07:17.180 going to push back a little and say, at what point does the media have some responsibility? And I'm talking

00:07:21.580 to the conservative media now to make sure they are telling the full and accurate story of what

00:07:27.420 happened to push back against some of these misconceptions, because I'm just a random person

00:07:31.740 on the internet and I was able to tell this. And so, so you guys have some responsibility as well.

00:07:38.100 I agree with Carla. I absolutely agree with you. And if I have let the audience down on that,

00:07:44.360 I apologize. And we will double our effort on it. Um, uh, but I, I will tell you that,

00:07:49.780 uh, listening to you talk, you will not be able to relate to this. I have waited for you. I was just

00:07:58.120 listening to you give that first point. And I thought to myself with a smile on my face. And I thought

00:08:04.140 I have waited for someone like her for 15 years. I have waited for, I really have Carlin. I really

00:08:13.720 have, and so has this audience. You are somebody who is, you're, you're not in lockstep with

00:08:20.660 everything that I say or whatever. You've come from the left and you just, you just want the truth.

00:08:28.020 We're not talking politics. You just want the truth. Your voice, until they discredit you,

00:08:33.880 your voice, um, brings, uh, a hope and an awful lot of credibility because this is not your horse.

00:08:44.480 And so some of us have been beaten down by the press for so long and destroyed. We have to,

00:08:52.120 we want to make sure we're uber, uber careful because we're on the front line of being, you will be soon,

00:08:58.580 but we're on the front line of being attacked. And we've learned our lesson in the past.

00:09:05.560 That doesn't mean we've given up the fight by any chance or any stretch of the imagination. We're

00:09:10.300 just more cautious on things because we know how fast one mistake will just absolutely destroy you.

00:09:18.200 Oh, does that make sense? Yeah, it does. I mean, and it's certainly a conversation I've had with so

00:09:23.200 many conservatives over the past several months and, you know, it's something that I, that I hear and

00:09:28.420 listen, I'm, I'm fully willing to step up and be, be a truth teller in this scenario, but I simply hope

00:09:34.360 that I'm not the only one that's telling the story of regular Joe's that, that organized this rally

00:09:39.640 because they wanted to do the right thing. Yeah, you're, you're, you're absolutely not. We have

00:09:45.260 reached out to many of the organizers in different States. I've got four people on today that are going

00:09:51.060 to tell their story about what's going on. So you're not alone. That's make sure you know that.

00:09:57.180 And if you ever feel alone, you call me, I want you, my staff will give you, I don't have a phone, so

00:10:02.940 they'll give you a way to contact me personally. They'll give you my private email address so you can

00:10:08.860 contact me directly because you're not alone. You give me a lot of hope. All right. So the, the next

00:10:15.520 thing, uh, that you, you think needs to be corrected. Well, and the law enforcement was,

00:10:21.720 was the big one. Oh, another thing that I haven't heard talk about is that there were literally zero

00:10:26.280 warnings from law enforcement issued at this entire rally. There was only one arrest that was made.

00:10:31.680 And, and Glenn, do you want to guess what the one arrest was at this rally? Want to guess who it

00:10:36.580 was? Uh, no, go ahead. It was a Democrat. It was a Democrat. It was protest. And what were they

00:10:46.520 were, what were they arrested for? What were they arrested for? They were kicking people at the rally.

00:10:52.460 Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Was that, was that even reported anywhere? I don't, I don't believe it was,

00:11:00.340 but it's on my YouTube channel, the interview that I did with them. Um, and another thing, um, is,

00:11:05.440 uh, the elected representatives, as they were taking the vote, they were actually in communication

00:11:09.820 with the people at the rally. They were like texting back and forth because a guy at the rally

00:11:14.180 knew the Senate majority leader. And so the people inside, I mean, I've seen these tweets come out

00:11:18.320 basically saying, Oh, we were so scared of these people. They knew what was going on. They were

00:11:22.780 coordinating and talking back and forth the whole time. And so I have a really hard time believing

00:11:26.980 that anyone was actually scared.

00:11:29.160 Carlin, I love you. I do. I just can't thank you enough, uh, for just being interested in the

00:11:41.200 truth and, and being brave enough to take on your own, your own circle. I mean, nobody wants to be a

00:11:50.180 pariah. Nobody wants to have to recheck everything that they thought they believed in. It's a, it's a scary

00:11:55.740 thing, but everyone should do that on both sides. And you're, you're just a great example. Just a

00:12:02.840 great example for so many people. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You need anything. You call me.

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00:13:29.380 the story of the Dallas salon owner. Uh, her name is Shelly Luther, and she went back to work because,

00:13:36.960 well, let's play the audio of her before the judge, uh, what yesterday or the day before,

00:13:44.200 here's what she said to the judge after he said, I'm going to punish you in jail unless you apologize 0.56

00:13:49.680 and, uh, close your shop. Here's her response.

00:13:53.200 Judge, I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and laws

00:13:56.820 and that I've never been in this position before. And it's not someplace that I want to be,

00:14:06.540 but I have to disagree with you, sir. When I, when you say that I'm selfish

00:14:13.080 because feeding my kids is not selfish. I have hairstylists that are going hungry

00:14:20.680 because they'd rather feed their kids. So, sir, if you think the law is more important than kids

00:14:27.760 getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.

00:14:32.640 This is, this is a civil rights moment. This is a new civil rights movement. These, these are

00:14:41.760 unelected officials, um, making dictates. And, you know, there's one thing to say, Hey, we really

00:14:49.120 recommend this and we really want you to do this. And another with giving you either as they're doing

00:14:56.200 now in California, they're not putting you in jail. They're, they're giving you absolutely crippling,

00:15:01.700 uh, fines or taking away your business license. So you're done. You're just out. There's no place

00:15:07.540 to go. So Ken Paxton, who is the attorney general of the great state of Texas yesterday, uh, came out

00:15:15.980 and he was, I'd say pretty darn strong on, uh, on his, uh, stance. He put out a letter along with,

00:15:26.220 uh, Greg Abbott, uh, and, and basically, basically took the judge and what's going on apart. We have

00:15:35.520 Ken Paxton on with us now, the attorney general of the great state of Texas and a friend. Hello,

00:15:40.900 Ken, how are you? Hey Glenn, I'm doing well. How are you? I'm very good. All right. I'm glad to hear

00:15:47.040 when I saw your tweet yesterday, I was so happy to hear that you were, you were on the side of common

00:15:53.300 sense. Um, tell me your stance cause you're now getting heat from judges. So tell me what you,

00:16:00.220 what you said yesterday about this whole thing. I just said, you know, this is ridiculous. It's 0.97

00:16:06.160 outrageous that a woman who went out to work who needs an income was put in jail. And I understand 1.00

00:16:13.540 there are orders relating to this and, and maybe consequences that, you know, happen to people,

00:16:19.080 but putting someone in jail, especially in light of Dallas County releasing or wanting to release,

00:16:25.120 you know, criminals who have been convicted because they're afraid they're going to get

00:16:28.260 Corona. And now you're putting a woman in a jail where, where she could get Corona. So I, 0.99

00:16:32.300 it makes no sense to me. You wrote the trial judge did not need to lock up Shelly Luther.

00:16:38.340 His order is shameful abuse of judicial discretion, which seems like another political stunt in Dallas.

00:16:44.520 He should release her immediately. I hope he'll listen to that. I hope that he'll come to his

00:16:50.380 senses. Uh, you, I think that these judges are all banding together in Dallas County to criticize

00:16:55.780 my statements, but look, this is a, I mean, this is just a regular citizen. She did not,

00:17:01.380 she didn't go out and shoplift in Dallas, which is not a crime there apparently. Um, and she hasn't

00:17:07.540 committed any kind of crime. So I don't, I do not think she should be in prison.

00:17:11.460 Ken, where do we, uh, the, the governor is in, uh, a, just a heck of a spot. Uh, and I know Greg

00:17:22.960 Abbott and I respect him. So I give him a lot of, of room here. Um, mainly cause I would not want to

00:17:30.320 be in his position. He loses either way. If he does nothing, he loses. If he does too much,

00:17:37.960 he loses for some people, if he does anything, he loses. So there's no place for him to go.

00:17:44.420 How do we balance, uh, this? I mean, me and a lot of other people think the governors and the

00:17:52.540 president and the mayors should come out and say, look, this, these are the scientific facts.

00:17:58.300 You need to stay home. We're, we're, we're not going to throw anybody in jail,

00:18:03.080 but you need to stay home. Please let's do this together. Otherwise, if you make it an edict,

00:18:10.280 you're violating all of my civil rights. Yeah. I think you make a really good point. One,

00:18:18.220 we don't have like a, uh, uh, a model to look at. We haven't been through this before. There's

00:18:22.680 nobody that knows how to do it. Right. And everybody's, there's not a single governor,

00:18:27.420 whether they have good motors, bad motors, who's going to get this a hundred percent right

00:18:30.960 and get the balance between protecting health and safety versus protecting people's ability to

00:18:36.420 make a living and, and what impact that has on their lives. And so I think the, the, we,

00:18:42.220 we should do the least amount that we can do to protect people's lives. And so I think the

00:18:47.620 governor's, you know, he's, he's struggling with that balance and he's trying to, he's trying to get

00:18:51.360 there. And, you know, we're going to, I think, be one of the faster states that moves towards

00:18:55.400 opening up and letting people work and letting, let it be individual decisions about, because I think

00:19:00.160 people are, are educated now they, they know they they've been sufficiently scared about the

00:19:05.080 Corona virus. And I think they should now be making their own decisions about what risk they want to

00:19:10.420 take based on their own health situation and their age. And they're responsible for themselves.

00:19:17.200 You know, I use this example. Uh, I use this example last hour, uh, that, uh, my church, uh, moved to

00:19:26.920 close down services before any state or government did anything. They said, we're going to cancel all

00:19:32.500 services, you know, do your services at home, blah, blah, blah. And they, they pass that now in

00:19:37.940 Illinois, the governor is saying, you may not go to church for the next, uh, year. We may close

00:19:43.620 churches down. Well, wait a minute. I think this is a, I mean, churches are responsible for their flock.

00:19:50.880 And, you know, there are some crazy people out there, but there's, there's, you know, churches

00:19:55.820 that will say, we're going to do services limited to this, or we're not going to do services. And then

00:20:00.980 each individual should be allowed to choose from there. Where does the state get its power to do

00:20:05.640 these things? I don't think they have the power. If you'll notice in Texas, we never said that. And

00:20:10.960 governor Abbott put churches as an essential business, uh, with the list that the federal government

00:20:17.660 had given us. There were 16 essential businesses and he added this one. And I think rightfully so

00:20:23.160 there are special protections for first amendment under the constitution. And so you can't go and

00:20:28.640 restrict churches the way you can restrict other things. And so I think we've, we've made the right 1.00

00:20:33.540 call. And I think in the end, look, people need help. There's a lot of people that are suffering right

00:20:38.400 now because they've lost their jobs and they've gone through difficult times, health situations, and

00:20:42.960 they're going to need spiritual leaders in their lives. And, and so we don't need to be telling

00:20:48.180 from a, from a state position or any government saying you can't meet. And I know other states

00:20:52.680 have done that. Kentucky, the governor there was taking down license plates of people at church,

00:20:57.320 uh, you know, apparently wanting to record that information to somehow use it against them. That's

00:21:01.940 just not right. Uh, I have to ask you a question. Greg Abbott just tweeted, throwing Texans in jail,

00:21:10.700 whose businesses shut down through no fault of their own is wrong. I'm eliminating jail for

00:21:16.920 violating an order retroactive to April 2nd, superseding all local orders. Criminals shouldn't

00:21:24.880 be released, uh, to prevent COVID-19 just to put business owners in their place. Your reaction.

00:21:32.480 God bless Greg Abbott. Um, that was a great move on his part. I think he, he saw what happened to

00:21:39.820 Shelly Luther and he's responded in a, uh, in a responsible, appropriate way. And I say,

00:21:46.240 God bless Greg Abbott. And please, I beg this judge, let this woman out of jail. She should not be there. 0.85

00:21:53.480 This judge, can you said it in your tweet yesterday? I think the guy is, I think the guy's ego was

00:22:00.040 bruised by her when he said, you know, that, uh, she had, uh, what was it? Uh, maligned or,

00:22:06.900 or something, something ridiculous about you defiled his order, defiled his order by tearing 0.76

00:22:13.780 it in half and demanded an apology. This is out, absolutely out of control. 0.90

00:22:19.880 I agree with you. I think it got personal for him and I think he took it personally. And that's why he

00:22:25.300 reacted by, overreacted by instead of just merely giving her a fine. Um, and I don't think anybody

00:22:32.640 would have said anything about that, whether they agree, you know, people might've disagreed,

00:22:35.820 but not to the extent of putting a woman in jail. Who's just trying to do her job. 0.98

00:22:41.000 So let me ask you on Greg's, uh, on the governor's, uh, um, uh, order here, you responded by saying,

00:22:48.860 uh, uh, please judge, please do this. Does, does the governor have the right to say I'm canceling,

00:22:58.240 uh, all of, all of these convictions and they're to be released or does the, do the judges have to

00:23:05.900 agree with him? How is this going to work? So it's going to be interesting. So yes, the governor's

00:23:10.940 order supersedes any County order that would be different than what he just ordered. The question

00:23:16.220 here is it wasn't the County or state or the, uh, city that really put her in jail. It was his judge

00:23:23.100 and it was a contempt order. So I don't know. My guess is that the judge can still keep her in jail

00:23:30.900 despite the fact that now, you know, retroactively that everything has been wiped out and what he also

00:23:38.120 had an order earlier this week that opened up haircut starting tomorrow. So, you know, potentially she 1.00

00:23:43.060 could still be sitting in jail despite the fact that there's nothing wrong with it. Now,

00:23:46.680 all of the penalties of being in jail have been wiped out both across the state and this judge

00:23:52.720 might still keep her in jail. I hope he doesn't do that. Everything has been taken away. There's

00:23:57.500 nothing wrong with what she, she, she's done. Let's go. Let's let her out. All right. One,

00:24:02.260 one last question. Um, as a business owner myself, I am looking for someone to give us some sort of

00:24:11.840 protection, uh, from litigation because they're already, I think 2,400 cases, uh, against businesses,

00:24:21.920 et cetera, et cetera, all across the country, um, on Corona virus. And if somebody walks into my place

00:24:29.040 of business and they get sick, uh, am I going to get sued? Are you guys thinking at all of any

00:24:36.540 protection or giving us any kind of, any kind of release from liability if we're opening up our

00:24:42.680 stores and we're being responsible? Well, so that, that is a completely controlled by the Texas

00:24:48.540 legislature. Um, the governor can't really stop lawsuits. Even with an executive order, it would

00:24:55.280 expire. You know, he can't, he can't after the, the Corona virus is no longer a threat. He, he wouldn't

00:25:02.080 have the same authority. So it has to be the Texas legislature, which meets in January and they

00:25:06.540 could, uh, I believe they could, uh, retroactively, uh, ended these, these, these lawsuits.

00:25:14.180 Do you think that that is worth calling a special session for? I mean, it's an emergency. I mean,

00:25:19.900 my, honestly, my business partner is like, I'm not opening up these studios until I have something

00:25:25.980 I can point to and say, well, no, they said we could go back to work if we did these things,

00:25:32.360 you know? And I, I don't know when you're going to tell regular businesses, you can open back up

00:25:37.240 and everybody can come back to work. You know, we're worried. We actually have no one in our

00:25:41.860 studios right now. I have 80,000 square feet. I mean, I was in the middle of construction of

00:25:46.500 remodeling. I not even, I can't even bring the construction workers in because I'm afraid that

00:25:51.640 one person who's an emergency person who's on the other side of the building could get sick

00:25:56.320 and it would just, it would destroy us. What do we do? I think you, uh, I think that's,

00:26:03.640 that's certainly something that the governor should consider. It's, it's, it's, it's definitely a

00:26:09.200 challenging issue for businesses to not have some security as it relates to this issue. And you know,

00:26:15.500 there will be lawsuits filed. So, you know, I don't know. I'm going to be thinking about this.

00:26:20.200 I don't know whether he's going to call a special session before January. It's 100% the governor's

00:26:24.800 call. And I just have no idea whether he's going to do that. Would you be willing to pass that on

00:26:30.800 to him for us? Cause I know a lot of business people that are in the same boat. We want to

00:26:34.400 open back up and we will be responsible. We just need some indication from the governor that

00:26:39.700 it's going to be okay. You go back to work now. We need somebody to say that. So we're not there

00:26:45.300 all on our own waiting for just dogs of, of, uh, of, uh, litigation to devour us.

00:26:53.100 Absolutely. I will communicate that message today. I think that that's a good message for him. I'm

00:26:58.060 sure he's already heard it, but for him to hear. I'm sure he has. So yeah, happy to do that.

00:27:04.100 Ken, thank you very much. I appreciate it as this is some really good news. Uh, and, uh,

00:27:09.100 and thank you for, uh, your leadership and, and keeping us out of just really nasty things.

00:27:14.340 Thank you so much.

00:27:18.300 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:27:25.940 This is the Glenn Beck program. We're so glad you're here. Um, uh, years ago, I hired, uh,

00:27:31.540 somebody to be our military and global affairs researcher and writer. Uh, his name is, uh,

00:27:36.660 Jason Buttrill and he is, he's an amazing guy. He has been, um, now named our head writer and chief

00:27:43.900 researcher on all things. Uh, he's responsible for a lot of, uh, what we, uh, expose on any of our

00:27:52.440 specials on Wednesday night. I've asked him to look into this Venezuela operation. Um, and he joins us

00:27:59.300 now. Hi Jason, how are you? Hey Glenn, doing good. Thanks for having me. Uh, so this, this story

00:28:06.480 here on Venezuela is amazing. Um, and they have just now, uh, trotted one of these former, I think

00:28:16.660 green berets or special forces, uh, members out in front of television on in Venezuela. Uh, and I'll

00:28:24.420 ask you to tell me about them here in just a second, but he was arrested in Venezuela, uh, and admitted

00:28:32.360 to a plot to capture president Maduro. Uh, he said that he and six Venezuelan mercenaries along with

00:28:41.440 another American, uh, were commanded by, by Donald Trump, uh, to go in, kidnap, uh, Maduro. That

00:28:51.000 doesn't sound like a very good plan if indeed is true. Yeah. I believe it was came from the white 1.00

00:28:59.180 house in any way, shape or form. Absolutely not. And I think that's the best way to, or

00:29:04.240 the best jumping off point to look at the story because I've looked into the story. I've actually

00:29:09.900 reached out to people that were, I don't want to say involved and I'm going to be very careful

00:29:14.560 to keep their, uh, their identities hidden. But, um, they were, they did go to the training

00:29:19.560 camps, which were in Columbia. They did help initially in some of the training, but one of

00:29:25.020 the reasons why they backed out was because they said that there was no, uh, support from

00:29:30.200 any government whatsoever. There was no support from the transition government with Gallardo

00:29:34.080 and Venezuela. And there was definitely no U S government support. And that caused many people

00:29:40.600 to say, look, I don't want to have anything to do with this. So they went down, the people

00:29:45.560 you spoke to went down and were part of this training early on and then figured it out and

00:29:51.680 went, this is crazy. Yeah. I mean, they, they reported, uh, they reported, you know, malnourished

00:29:58.160 soldiers on the ground. They reported a lack of weapons. They reported a low amount of, uh,

00:30:03.140 actual soldiers that could pull this off. So the people that were involved were, you know,

00:30:08.180 to be pretty bluntly, uh, known drug traffickers. In fact, the, the head, his name is Alcala was

00:30:15.240 a general under Chavez and he's been a dissident. He, uh, separated from the Maduro, uh, military.

00:30:22.580 He was involved in the get go from a lot of the armed uprisings we saw back in April of

00:30:27.220 last year. Um, he is now in a U S prison because he was involved with Chavez to smuggle cocaine,

00:30:34.420 uh, up into the United States. These are the people that were involved here.

00:30:38.000 So who was paying for it? Was he involved in paying for it?

00:30:42.940 Very good question because the American contractor, uh, that kind of set everything up,

00:30:47.800 the former, uh, special, uh, green beret, uh, Jordan Goudreau, he said that initially they had

00:30:53.520 the Venezuelan transition government on board. They promised to pay them money, but the money

00:30:58.260 never showed up. Now there's been a lot of people who've been trying to follow the money trail.

00:31:02.260 There's been multiple, uh, millionaires, billionaires, uh, some of them in the United States who

00:31:07.280 initially sounded like they were giving some money, but it pretty much sounds like once

00:31:11.800 they figured out the scope of this, that they actually were going to do an invasion with

00:31:16.660 300 men, Glenn, the Venezuelan army has over 140,000. Now they had 300 men, 300. I mean,

00:31:28.020 you know, that's that, isn't that that famous movie 300 and that famous story from what Troy

00:31:33.700 300 men, uh, so yeah, it is crazy. Now Maduro is taking this guy and, uh, he is just spilling

00:31:44.120 his guts, but he's, he's saying that a, uh, company called silver corp, uh, was involved

00:31:51.800 in this. What is silver corp? So silver corp is, uh, Jordan Goudreau is the former, uh,

00:31:57.220 green beret. It's his company. If you look on it, it looks like a lot of the, the contractor,

00:32:02.820 shady contractor type websites. There's really no way to get in contact with them. They just

00:32:07.220 show them doing pictures of cool stuff, you know, wearing earpieces or, you know, running

00:32:11.340 around with their shirts off up mountains and stuff and saying they can provide. So

00:32:14.560 it's like a, a black, a black water, one of a black water wannabe. Exactly. Less legit.

00:32:21.160 So like black water, the way they would operate is they would get a government contract that's

00:32:24.700 fully sponsored by the U S government and they would go do something. That's the first way

00:32:27.680 you can do those things. The second is you get full support from the host nation. Some contractors

00:32:32.700 do that. This guy went option C, which was none of the above. We're just going to say,

00:32:37.860 screw it. Gather a bunch of guys and go in. Yeah. And their plan was to go take the airport.

00:32:43.960 I mean, this guy describes it on television in Venezuela that my job was to take the airport

00:32:49.980 and secure the him to take the airport and secure the perimeter. Uh, what was their plan

00:32:58.040 beyond that? So from what I can tell what they expected was they're claiming to have larger

00:33:05.460 support within Venezuela. Now that very well could be true, but I guess really to fully understand

00:33:10.300 it, we've got to go back to April of 2019, April 2019. I don't know if you remember, but

00:33:15.420 that's when, you know, there was an actual like kind of turn in a lot in some of the soldiers.

00:33:19.380 There was that big uprising at one of the military bases. Uh, Gallardo, uh, kind of emerged

00:33:24.620 at that point, the U S government said, okay, we support this guy. And we thought more military

00:33:28.440 were going to start flipping. Well, that failed when that failed. I always wondered what happened

00:33:32.740 to those guys. Where'd they go? Well, they went to Columbia and this story continues as

00:33:37.420 all coup stories happen in a Marriott in Bogota, Columbia. Um, don't all of course they do.

00:33:45.480 I don't, I don't know. Yes, yes, yes. Uh, they always do. So that's when all of these guys

00:33:50.500 are clean, they have a Bible in the, in the, in the bedside. And so it's, you know, I mean,

00:33:56.480 even revolutionaries want a nice place to stay. Um, so what happens to this guy? I mean, first

00:34:02.520 of all, he is claiming on television that he got his orders direct from Donald Trump, which

00:34:09.980 is laughable. I mean, there's no Donald Trump. If he's going to go in, he's going in, he's

00:34:16.840 not going in with this guy. Yeah, no, this is dumb. Nobody would support this plan. 1.00

00:34:22.820 His claims are absolutely false, which we verified, uh, ourselves. Um, I don't know what

00:34:28.900 happens to him. Uh, Pompeo said yesterday that the U S government was going to do what

00:34:32.560 they could to try and get them back. But I personally don't think that they're going

00:34:36.100 to be able to do anything. We've already got sanctions on them. We're not going to push

00:34:39.600 this too far because it wasn't sanctioned. And then we don't want to make it. Well, why

00:34:42.980 would we wait, wait, wait? Yeah. Why would we want these guys back? I mean, you

00:34:48.620 know, if I go into another country and I break the law, I have to pay the price in

00:34:54.380 that the United States government is not going to come and save me. You know, I

00:34:57.920 have to pay the fine or go to jail or whatever it is. These guys were going in

00:35:02.960 to foment a revolution and a coup. And while I agree with the goal, I didn't, why

00:35:11.480 are we saving them? That's true. We'll come down directly to that. And you

00:35:17.120 know, these, these were big boys. They knew what they were doing. This is awful.

00:35:20.420 The situation is awful. Um, I think, or I think the official numbers are around

00:35:25.080 nine men died, including the Americans that were captured. They're alive, but it

00:35:29.760 was a, it was a tragedy. And you know, this kind of all, this really all falls on

00:35:34.080 Jordan Goudreau, the guy that, you know, started this. It was his plan. He was in

00:35:38.380 command of these guys. He convinced them to go. Jordan Goudreau, if, if, if he's

00:35:42.840 even listening to this, you need to go offer yourself. You need to go say, Hey,

00:35:46.400 look, I offer myself, let my men go. Cause this is all on his shoulders. A 300

00:35:52.020 troop plan to topple a government is absolutely ridiculous. It's all on his 0.98

00:35:57.120 shoulders. He needs to trade himself for his men and get them out of there.

00:36:00.700 Well, you know how ridiculous this charge is when the media who has tried to pin

00:36:06.160 everything on Donald Trump. I mean, everything when the media is not running 0.68

00:36:11.620 with this as an attempted coup, you know, it would be very damaging if, if, if,

00:36:17.220 if it were a coup, uh, that Donald Trump had done, if it was a, you know, uh, Iran

00:36:23.360 contra kind of thing, but it's so clearly not that even the mainstream media is not

00:36:28.160 running with that narrative. Now, this is a, this is basically like, uh, I don't

00:36:32.740 know, this is more like Bay of pigs. If the apple dumpling gang grabbed the local 0.99

00:36:36.480 crime Lord and said, Hey, let's go invade a country or something like that. Um, and

00:36:41.860 the way they tied it to Donald Trump is they said, look, this guy would like did

00:36:45.060 security with Trump and they, they pull all these screenshots of him providing

00:36:48.300 security at a lot of Trump rallies. Hey, I'm sorry, but probably every contractor

00:36:52.760 in America when they're not overseas has provided security for president Trump at

00:36:57.800 one of his rallies. So you're, that's easy to find. There's no, absolutely no

00:37:02.160 connection between this guy and Donald Trump, besides the fact that he knew

00:37:06.140 Trump's former bodyguard and use that, uh, connection to become, you know, to do

00:37:10.960 security at some of these, that, that is it. That's all.

00:37:15.200 Unbelievable. Thank you very much, uh, Jason. I appreciate it. And keep us up to

00:37:18.920 speed on this. Cause I, I find this story fascinating, just fascinating. I was

00:37:23.420 watching this, this, you know, hostage video, if you will, where he is, uh, he's

00:37:29.280 saying all these things. And I thought to myself, I haven't seen this, I think

00:37:32.600 since the cold war, I haven't seen anything like this. I mean, uh, it's, it's

00:37:39.260 just bizarre, just bizarre. Any idea how he's probably being treated or why he's

00:37:44.960 saying these things? Is he being tortured or is this just him? Just, I don't know,

00:37:50.400 trying to get preferential treatment. Well, he's been given the same treatment

00:37:54.140 I've been given and he's probably tapping into that is seer survival of

00:37:57.880 Asian resistance escape. And what he's doing right now is delaying as long as

00:38:01.040 possible. So he'll give out information that might, it sounds bad that he's

00:38:04.320 admitting to things, but he's doing what he has to do in order to save, to, to

00:38:08.120 stall for time so that he can survive. So that's what he's doing right now.

00:38:11.380 He's giving them little bits of information. He's giving them little bits of

00:38:14.520 little victories for them so he can get small victories for himself. Maybe I

00:38:18.820 shouldn't be saying a lot of this where I get in trouble and again, knock on the

00:38:21.360 door from a guy in a black suit, but he's doing what exactly what he needs to do

00:38:25.100 to stall for time. Right. And we, we've seen this happen before and our military

00:38:31.800 always knows about what these guys are doing. Unfortunately, this guy, uh, is out

00:38:39.000 on his own. I would be for rescuing people. If this, if our president or our

00:38:43.660 Pentagon was behind it and it was a failed deal, we have a responsibility

00:38:48.340 to that individual to go save them. Uh, but not if you're doing this on your

00:38:53.000 own, not if you're doing it on your own and it's, it's, it's, uh, uh, it's a

00:38:57.960 totally different story. So thank you very much, Jason. I appreciate it.

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