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In such a wonderful, soothing time, we find out the truth behind some of the Michigan protests actually misrepresented by the media. Brad Meltzer joins us to give us some historical perspective. Ken Paxson is the Attorney General of Texas and he's on to talk about the jailing of a Dallas salon owner. We talk to a couple of other people who are trying to keep their businesses open around the country and was there a coup attempt in Venezuela like this past week? We get the details from Jason Buttrell.
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Welcome to the podcast. In such a wonderful, soothing time, we find out that the writer
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of the series Black Mirror says he can't write anymore because we're just already living
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Black Mirror. It's too real and we can't really do anymore. That's terrifying. We find out
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the truth behind some of the Michigan protests actually misrepresented by the media. Who
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would have believed it? Brad Meltzer joins us to kind of give us some historical perspective.
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Uh, Ken Paxson is the, uh, is the Attorney General of Texas and he's on to talk about
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the jailing of a Dallas salon owner. Uh, that one had a major development basically during
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the interview. We talked to a couple of other people who are trying to keep their businesses
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open, uh, around the country. And was there a coup attempt in Venezuela like this past
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week? Seems like there was. We get the details from Jason Buttrell. Make sure you subscribe
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Here's the podcast. Oh yeah, this is the Glenn Beck program. So yesterday I get a phone call from
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somebody on my staff and they said, uh, Glenn, uh, you remember, uh, Carolyn, uh, Borsenko. And I
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said, yes, isn't she the woman from like New Hampshire? She's the, the Zen psychologist. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. Right. She was the one who went to the, uh, she was a, a lefty and she went to a Trump
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rally because she didn't like being told, you know, what to do. And she wanted to conquer her fear and
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everything else. And she found out that, wow, Trump people are really nice. It's not like what
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everybody is saying that they are. She's got a really, really great open mind. When I talked to
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her on the air, I said, I think, I don't think you're, I think you're actually joining our side.
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I think you're come to the dock side. Uh, and, uh, we laughed about it. And so I thought,
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why is she calling? She was calling because of what I said yesterday, apparently on the air about,
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uh, the Michigan rally. And I was warning people, please know that we are an image driven society.
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Please, if you're carrying something, if you're, that's why I, at my things, I've always said,
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please, no signs, no signs because the media will just latch on to one image and then it's over.
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You have to be careful. Don't drive, you know, up to these things with, uh, with a firearm,
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just, you have the right to do it. Yes, you do, but the media will latch onto those things and it
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will hurt you in the long run. So just be careful. So when I got that call, I thought, okay, Carolyn,
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ah, she's, she didn't come to the dock side. She's back to her dock side. No, not so much.
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She actually wanted to correct me and make sure that I knew that these were really good people at
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these protests. Carolyn, welcome to the program. Hi, Glenn. Thank you. And it's Carlin like George
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Carlin. Oh, Carlin. I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Carlin. Uh, so, uh, uh, so, so what do I have the
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story? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Essentially. So I ended up speaking to the organizers of the Michigan protest
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to the other day on my YouTube channel, just because I was fascinated with the whole thing. And
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we had a great conversation and then just comparing what they said to what was in the media,
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there are some discrepancies. I love you. I absolutely love you. I really do. I think
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you're amazing. Okay. So what are the discrepancies? I know of one, the guy who was the guy who has,
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he's kind of balding and he's got a big beard, uh, and he was photographed and it looks like he's
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yelling at the police, but actually he's not yelling at the police. Uh, is that right?
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He's not yelling at the police at all. He's yelling past the police because they're yelling
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into the room where the vote was taking place. And the entire goal of this rally was to make sure
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the legislature in Michigan voted not to be able to, not to extend the governor's executive's order.
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That was the whole goal. And so they were yelling at them as they were taking the vote to vote. No.
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And that's not the way it was spun. Okay. So you say that there, you say that there are the things
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that maybe I or other conservatives are doing, uh, that, uh, is we have wrong. So tell, talk to the
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conservatives that in me that may have it wrong. Go ahead. Yeah. The biggest thing is that the entire
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rally was coordinated with law enforcement from the very beginning. So there's this,
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this perception that the police were put in danger. Law enforcement was put in danger. That's
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absolutely untrue. The organizers of the rally coordinated with law enforcement, literally
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every step of the way, leading up to the rally, the day before the rally, during the rally,
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they coordinated with law enforcement to make sure there was a specific path kept open for the
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hospital in case people needed to get there. Permits were issued when they went into the Capitol
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building. Their temperatures were taken. It was all very orderly. The militia folks that were there,
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the ones with the big guns, which I agree is not the best, the best photo in the world,
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but there are other photos that show that the police were actually like hanging out with the
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militia guys and smiling. So there wasn't an adversarial relationship. Everyone was working
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together. So, so, so Carla, I want you to know that I don't believe there is an adversarial
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relationship with the police. I know these kinds of people. I've, I've been doing this for a
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long time. I know these kinds of people. What I, I learned from Martin Luther King that love is
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always the answer. That's great. These people are loving people for the most part. I mean,
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there's creeps in every crowd, but these are families. These are regular Americans that believe
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in good things and yada, yada, yada. But the, what I'm always concerned about is the other thing I
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learned from Martin Luther King. It is an image that will destroy you. It is one photograph that
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will destroy you. It's the dogs barking, um, with really peaceful black people walking down the street
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that turned America's head because there was no way to position that. So I'm just concerned about
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the images. King was very disciplined and it's hard with libertarians to say, okay, guys, we've got to
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organize and have a set of rules. It's like herding cats can't be done, but we have to have discipline
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to make sure because we know how dishonest the press is. We know how images will be used against us
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because it's been done before. And, and I agree with everything that you just said, but I guess I'm
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going to push back a little and say, at what point does the media have some responsibility? And I'm talking
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to the conservative media now to make sure they are telling the full and accurate story of what
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happened to push back against some of these misconceptions, because I'm just a random person
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on the internet and I was able to tell this. And so, so you guys have some responsibility as well.
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I agree with Carla. I absolutely agree with you. And if I have let the audience down on that,
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I apologize. And we will double our effort on it. Um, uh, but I, I will tell you that,
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uh, listening to you talk, you will not be able to relate to this. I have waited for you. I was just
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listening to you give that first point. And I thought to myself with a smile on my face. And I thought
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I have waited for someone like her for 15 years. I have waited for, I really have Carlin. I really
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have, and so has this audience. You are somebody who is, you're, you're not in lockstep with
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everything that I say or whatever. You've come from the left and you just, you just want the truth.
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We're not talking politics. You just want the truth. Your voice, until they discredit you,
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your voice, um, brings, uh, a hope and an awful lot of credibility because this is not your horse.
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And so some of us have been beaten down by the press for so long and destroyed. We have to,
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we want to make sure we're uber, uber careful because we're on the front line of being, you will be soon,
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but we're on the front line of being attacked. And we've learned our lesson in the past.
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That doesn't mean we've given up the fight by any chance or any stretch of the imagination. We're
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just more cautious on things because we know how fast one mistake will just absolutely destroy you.
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Oh, does that make sense? Yeah, it does. I mean, and it's certainly a conversation I've had with so
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many conservatives over the past several months and, you know, it's something that I, that I hear and
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listen, I'm, I'm fully willing to step up and be, be a truth teller in this scenario, but I simply hope
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that I'm not the only one that's telling the story of regular Joe's that, that organized this rally
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because they wanted to do the right thing. Yeah, you're, you're, you're absolutely not. We have
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reached out to many of the organizers in different States. I've got four people on today that are going
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to tell their story about what's going on. So you're not alone. That's make sure you know that.
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And if you ever feel alone, you call me, I want you, my staff will give you, I don't have a phone, so
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they'll give you a way to contact me personally. They'll give you my private email address so you can
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contact me directly because you're not alone. You give me a lot of hope. All right. So the, the next
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thing, uh, that you, you think needs to be corrected. Well, and the law enforcement was,
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was the big one. Oh, another thing that I haven't heard talk about is that there were literally zero
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warnings from law enforcement issued at this entire rally. There was only one arrest that was made.
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And, and Glenn, do you want to guess what the one arrest was at this rally? Want to guess who it
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was? Uh, no, go ahead. It was a Democrat. It was a Democrat. It was protest. And what were they
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were, what were they arrested for? What were they arrested for? They were kicking people at the rally.
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Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Was that, was that even reported anywhere? I don't, I don't believe it was,
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but it's on my YouTube channel, the interview that I did with them. Um, and another thing, um, is,
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uh, the elected representatives, as they were taking the vote, they were actually in communication
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with the people at the rally. They were like texting back and forth because a guy at the rally
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knew the Senate majority leader. And so the people inside, I mean, I've seen these tweets come out
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basically saying, Oh, we were so scared of these people. They knew what was going on. They were
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coordinating and talking back and forth the whole time. And so I have a really hard time believing
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Carlin, I love you. I do. I just can't thank you enough, uh, for just being interested in the
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truth and, and being brave enough to take on your own, your own circle. I mean, nobody wants to be a
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pariah. Nobody wants to have to recheck everything that they thought they believed in. It's a, it's a scary
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thing, but everyone should do that on both sides. And you're, you're just a great example. Just a
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great example for so many people. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You need anything. You call me.
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with an S.com slash back. This is the Glenn Beck program. We're glad you're here. So you might know
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the story of the Dallas salon owner. Uh, her name is Shelly Luther, and she went back to work because,
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well, let's play the audio of her before the judge, uh, what yesterday or the day before,
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here's what she said to the judge after he said, I'm going to punish you in jail unless you apologize
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Judge, I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and laws
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and that I've never been in this position before. And it's not someplace that I want to be,
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but I have to disagree with you, sir. When I, when you say that I'm selfish
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because feeding my kids is not selfish. I have hairstylists that are going hungry
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because they'd rather feed their kids. So, sir, if you think the law is more important than kids
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getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.
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This is, this is a civil rights moment. This is a new civil rights movement. These, these are
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unelected officials, um, making dictates. And, you know, there's one thing to say, Hey, we really
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recommend this and we really want you to do this. And another with giving you either as they're doing
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now in California, they're not putting you in jail. They're, they're giving you absolutely crippling,
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uh, fines or taking away your business license. So you're done. You're just out. There's no place
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to go. So Ken Paxton, who is the attorney general of the great state of Texas yesterday, uh, came out
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and he was, I'd say pretty darn strong on, uh, on his, uh, stance. He put out a letter along with,
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uh, Greg Abbott, uh, and, and basically, basically took the judge and what's going on apart. We have
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Ken Paxton on with us now, the attorney general of the great state of Texas and a friend. Hello,
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Ken, how are you? Hey Glenn, I'm doing well. How are you? I'm very good. All right. I'm glad to hear
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when I saw your tweet yesterday, I was so happy to hear that you were, you were on the side of common
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sense. Um, tell me your stance cause you're now getting heat from judges. So tell me what you,
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what you said yesterday about this whole thing. I just said, you know, this is ridiculous. It's
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outrageous that a woman who went out to work who needs an income was put in jail. And I understand
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there are orders relating to this and, and maybe consequences that, you know, happen to people,
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but putting someone in jail, especially in light of Dallas County releasing or wanting to release,
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you know, criminals who have been convicted because they're afraid they're going to get
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Corona. And now you're putting a woman in a jail where, where she could get Corona. So I,
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it makes no sense to me. You wrote the trial judge did not need to lock up Shelly Luther.
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His order is shameful abuse of judicial discretion, which seems like another political stunt in Dallas.
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He should release her immediately. I hope he'll listen to that. I hope that he'll come to his
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senses. Uh, you, I think that these judges are all banding together in Dallas County to criticize
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my statements, but look, this is a, I mean, this is just a regular citizen. She did not,
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she didn't go out and shoplift in Dallas, which is not a crime there apparently. Um, and she hasn't
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committed any kind of crime. So I don't, I do not think she should be in prison.
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Ken, where do we, uh, the, the governor is in, uh, a, just a heck of a spot. Uh, and I know Greg
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Abbott and I respect him. So I give him a lot of, of room here. Um, mainly cause I would not want to
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be in his position. He loses either way. If he does nothing, he loses. If he does too much,
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he loses for some people, if he does anything, he loses. So there's no place for him to go.
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How do we balance, uh, this? I mean, me and a lot of other people think the governors and the
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president and the mayors should come out and say, look, this, these are the scientific facts.
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You need to stay home. We're, we're, we're not going to throw anybody in jail,
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but you need to stay home. Please let's do this together. Otherwise, if you make it an edict,
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you're violating all of my civil rights. Yeah. I think you make a really good point. One,
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we don't have like a, uh, uh, a model to look at. We haven't been through this before. There's
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nobody that knows how to do it. Right. And everybody's, there's not a single governor,
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whether they have good motors, bad motors, who's going to get this a hundred percent right
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and get the balance between protecting health and safety versus protecting people's ability to
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make a living and, and what impact that has on their lives. And so I think the, the, we,
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we should do the least amount that we can do to protect people's lives. And so I think the
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governor's, you know, he's, he's struggling with that balance and he's trying to, he's trying to get
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there. And, you know, we're going to, I think, be one of the faster states that moves towards
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opening up and letting people work and letting, let it be individual decisions about, because I think
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people are, are educated now they, they know they they've been sufficiently scared about the
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Corona virus. And I think they should now be making their own decisions about what risk they want to
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take based on their own health situation and their age. And they're responsible for themselves.
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You know, I use this example. Uh, I use this example last hour, uh, that, uh, my church, uh, moved to
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close down services before any state or government did anything. They said, we're going to cancel all
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services, you know, do your services at home, blah, blah, blah. And they, they pass that now in
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Illinois, the governor is saying, you may not go to church for the next, uh, year. We may close
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churches down. Well, wait a minute. I think this is a, I mean, churches are responsible for their flock.
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And, you know, there are some crazy people out there, but there's, there's, you know, churches
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that will say, we're going to do services limited to this, or we're not going to do services. And then
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each individual should be allowed to choose from there. Where does the state get its power to do
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these things? I don't think they have the power. If you'll notice in Texas, we never said that. And
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governor Abbott put churches as an essential business, uh, with the list that the federal government
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had given us. There were 16 essential businesses and he added this one. And I think rightfully so
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there are special protections for first amendment under the constitution. And so you can't go and
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restrict churches the way you can restrict other things. And so I think we've, we've made the right
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call. And I think in the end, look, people need help. There's a lot of people that are suffering right
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now because they've lost their jobs and they've gone through difficult times, health situations, and
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they're going to need spiritual leaders in their lives. And, and so we don't need to be telling
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from a, from a state position or any government saying you can't meet. And I know other states
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have done that. Kentucky, the governor there was taking down license plates of people at church,
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uh, you know, apparently wanting to record that information to somehow use it against them. That's
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just not right. Uh, I have to ask you a question. Greg Abbott just tweeted, throwing Texans in jail,
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whose businesses shut down through no fault of their own is wrong. I'm eliminating jail for
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violating an order retroactive to April 2nd, superseding all local orders. Criminals shouldn't
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be released, uh, to prevent COVID-19 just to put business owners in their place. Your reaction.
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God bless Greg Abbott. Um, that was a great move on his part. I think he, he saw what happened to
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Shelly Luther and he's responded in a, uh, in a responsible, appropriate way. And I say,
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God bless Greg Abbott. And please, I beg this judge, let this woman out of jail. She should not be there.
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This judge, can you said it in your tweet yesterday? I think the guy is, I think the guy's ego was
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bruised by her when he said, you know, that, uh, she had, uh, what was it? Uh, maligned or,
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or something, something ridiculous about you defiled his order, defiled his order by tearing
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it in half and demanded an apology. This is out, absolutely out of control.
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I agree with you. I think it got personal for him and I think he took it personally. And that's why he
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reacted by, overreacted by instead of just merely giving her a fine. Um, and I don't think anybody
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would have said anything about that, whether they agree, you know, people might've disagreed,
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but not to the extent of putting a woman in jail. Who's just trying to do her job.
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So let me ask you on Greg's, uh, on the governor's, uh, um, uh, order here, you responded by saying,
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uh, uh, please judge, please do this. Does, does the governor have the right to say I'm canceling,
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uh, all of, all of these convictions and they're to be released or does the, do the judges have to
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agree with him? How is this going to work? So it's going to be interesting. So yes, the governor's
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order supersedes any County order that would be different than what he just ordered. The question
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here is it wasn't the County or state or the, uh, city that really put her in jail. It was his judge
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and it was a contempt order. So I don't know. My guess is that the judge can still keep her in jail
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despite the fact that now, you know, retroactively that everything has been wiped out and what he also
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had an order earlier this week that opened up haircut starting tomorrow. So, you know, potentially she
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could still be sitting in jail despite the fact that there's nothing wrong with it. Now,
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all of the penalties of being in jail have been wiped out both across the state and this judge
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might still keep her in jail. I hope he doesn't do that. Everything has been taken away. There's
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nothing wrong with what she, she, she's done. Let's go. Let's let her out. All right. One,
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one last question. Um, as a business owner myself, I am looking for someone to give us some sort of
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protection, uh, from litigation because they're already, I think 2,400 cases, uh, against businesses,
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et cetera, et cetera, all across the country, um, on Corona virus. And if somebody walks into my place
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of business and they get sick, uh, am I going to get sued? Are you guys thinking at all of any
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protection or giving us any kind of, any kind of release from liability if we're opening up our
00:24:42.680
stores and we're being responsible? Well, so that, that is a completely controlled by the Texas
00:24:48.540
legislature. Um, the governor can't really stop lawsuits. Even with an executive order, it would
00:24:55.280
expire. You know, he can't, he can't after the, the Corona virus is no longer a threat. He, he wouldn't
00:25:02.080
have the same authority. So it has to be the Texas legislature, which meets in January and they
00:25:06.540
could, uh, I believe they could, uh, retroactively, uh, ended these, these, these lawsuits.
00:25:14.180
Do you think that that is worth calling a special session for? I mean, it's an emergency. I mean,
00:25:19.900
my, honestly, my business partner is like, I'm not opening up these studios until I have something
00:25:25.980
I can point to and say, well, no, they said we could go back to work if we did these things,
00:25:32.360
you know? And I, I don't know when you're going to tell regular businesses, you can open back up
00:25:37.240
and everybody can come back to work. You know, we're worried. We actually have no one in our
00:25:41.860
studios right now. I have 80,000 square feet. I mean, I was in the middle of construction of
00:25:46.500
remodeling. I not even, I can't even bring the construction workers in because I'm afraid that
00:25:51.640
one person who's an emergency person who's on the other side of the building could get sick
00:25:56.320
and it would just, it would destroy us. What do we do? I think you, uh, I think that's,
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that's certainly something that the governor should consider. It's, it's, it's, it's definitely a
00:26:09.200
challenging issue for businesses to not have some security as it relates to this issue. And you know,
00:26:15.500
there will be lawsuits filed. So, you know, I don't know. I'm going to be thinking about this.
00:26:20.200
I don't know whether he's going to call a special session before January. It's 100% the governor's
00:26:24.800
call. And I just have no idea whether he's going to do that. Would you be willing to pass that on
00:26:30.800
to him for us? Cause I know a lot of business people that are in the same boat. We want to
00:26:34.400
open back up and we will be responsible. We just need some indication from the governor that
00:26:39.700
it's going to be okay. You go back to work now. We need somebody to say that. So we're not there
00:26:45.300
all on our own waiting for just dogs of, of, uh, of, uh, litigation to devour us.
00:26:53.100
Absolutely. I will communicate that message today. I think that that's a good message for him. I'm
00:26:58.060
sure he's already heard it, but for him to hear. I'm sure he has. So yeah, happy to do that.
00:27:04.100
Ken, thank you very much. I appreciate it as this is some really good news. Uh, and, uh,
00:27:09.100
and thank you for, uh, your leadership and, and keeping us out of just really nasty things.
00:27:25.940
This is the Glenn Beck program. We're so glad you're here. Um, uh, years ago, I hired, uh,
00:27:31.540
somebody to be our military and global affairs researcher and writer. Uh, his name is, uh,
00:27:36.660
Jason Buttrill and he is, he's an amazing guy. He has been, um, now named our head writer and chief
00:27:43.900
researcher on all things. Uh, he's responsible for a lot of, uh, what we, uh, expose on any of our
00:27:52.440
specials on Wednesday night. I've asked him to look into this Venezuela operation. Um, and he joins us
00:27:59.300
now. Hi Jason, how are you? Hey Glenn, doing good. Thanks for having me. Uh, so this, this story
00:28:06.480
here on Venezuela is amazing. Um, and they have just now, uh, trotted one of these former, I think
00:28:16.660
green berets or special forces, uh, members out in front of television on in Venezuela. Uh, and I'll
00:28:24.420
ask you to tell me about them here in just a second, but he was arrested in Venezuela, uh, and admitted
00:28:32.360
to a plot to capture president Maduro. Uh, he said that he and six Venezuelan mercenaries along with
00:28:41.440
another American, uh, were commanded by, by Donald Trump, uh, to go in, kidnap, uh, Maduro. That
00:28:51.000
doesn't sound like a very good plan if indeed is true. Yeah. I believe it was came from the white
00:28:59.180
house in any way, shape or form. Absolutely not. And I think that's the best way to, or
00:29:04.240
the best jumping off point to look at the story because I've looked into the story. I've actually
00:29:09.900
reached out to people that were, I don't want to say involved and I'm going to be very careful
00:29:14.560
to keep their, uh, their identities hidden. But, um, they were, they did go to the training
00:29:19.560
camps, which were in Columbia. They did help initially in some of the training, but one of
00:29:25.020
the reasons why they backed out was because they said that there was no, uh, support from
00:29:30.200
any government whatsoever. There was no support from the transition government with Gallardo
00:29:34.080
and Venezuela. And there was definitely no U S government support. And that caused many people
00:29:40.600
to say, look, I don't want to have anything to do with this. So they went down, the people
00:29:45.560
you spoke to went down and were part of this training early on and then figured it out and
00:29:51.680
went, this is crazy. Yeah. I mean, they, they reported, uh, they reported, you know, malnourished
00:29:58.160
soldiers on the ground. They reported a lack of weapons. They reported a low amount of, uh,
00:30:03.140
actual soldiers that could pull this off. So the people that were involved were, you know,
00:30:08.180
to be pretty bluntly, uh, known drug traffickers. In fact, the, the head, his name is Alcala was
00:30:15.240
a general under Chavez and he's been a dissident. He, uh, separated from the Maduro, uh, military.
00:30:22.580
He was involved in the get go from a lot of the armed uprisings we saw back in April of
00:30:27.220
last year. Um, he is now in a U S prison because he was involved with Chavez to smuggle cocaine,
00:30:34.420
uh, up into the United States. These are the people that were involved here.
00:30:38.000
So who was paying for it? Was he involved in paying for it?
00:30:42.940
Very good question because the American contractor, uh, that kind of set everything up,
00:30:47.800
the former, uh, special, uh, green beret, uh, Jordan Goudreau, he said that initially they had
00:30:53.520
the Venezuelan transition government on board. They promised to pay them money, but the money
00:30:58.260
never showed up. Now there's been a lot of people who've been trying to follow the money trail.
00:31:02.260
There's been multiple, uh, millionaires, billionaires, uh, some of them in the United States who
00:31:07.280
initially sounded like they were giving some money, but it pretty much sounds like once
00:31:11.800
they figured out the scope of this, that they actually were going to do an invasion with
00:31:16.660
300 men, Glenn, the Venezuelan army has over 140,000. Now they had 300 men, 300. I mean,
00:31:28.020
you know, that's that, isn't that that famous movie 300 and that famous story from what Troy
00:31:33.700
300 men, uh, so yeah, it is crazy. Now Maduro is taking this guy and, uh, he is just spilling
00:31:44.120
his guts, but he's, he's saying that a, uh, company called silver corp, uh, was involved
00:31:51.800
in this. What is silver corp? So silver corp is, uh, Jordan Goudreau is the former, uh,
00:31:57.220
green beret. It's his company. If you look on it, it looks like a lot of the, the contractor,
00:32:02.820
shady contractor type websites. There's really no way to get in contact with them. They just
00:32:07.220
show them doing pictures of cool stuff, you know, wearing earpieces or, you know, running
00:32:11.340
around with their shirts off up mountains and stuff and saying they can provide. So
00:32:14.560
it's like a, a black, a black water, one of a black water wannabe. Exactly. Less legit.
00:32:21.160
So like black water, the way they would operate is they would get a government contract that's
00:32:24.700
fully sponsored by the U S government and they would go do something. That's the first way
00:32:27.680
you can do those things. The second is you get full support from the host nation. Some contractors
00:32:32.700
do that. This guy went option C, which was none of the above. We're just going to say,
00:32:37.860
screw it. Gather a bunch of guys and go in. Yeah. And their plan was to go take the airport.
00:32:43.960
I mean, this guy describes it on television in Venezuela that my job was to take the airport
00:32:49.980
and secure the him to take the airport and secure the perimeter. Uh, what was their plan
00:32:58.040
beyond that? So from what I can tell what they expected was they're claiming to have larger
00:33:05.460
support within Venezuela. Now that very well could be true, but I guess really to fully understand
00:33:10.300
it, we've got to go back to April of 2019, April 2019. I don't know if you remember, but
00:33:15.420
that's when, you know, there was an actual like kind of turn in a lot in some of the soldiers.
00:33:19.380
There was that big uprising at one of the military bases. Uh, Gallardo, uh, kind of emerged
00:33:24.620
at that point, the U S government said, okay, we support this guy. And we thought more military
00:33:28.440
were going to start flipping. Well, that failed when that failed. I always wondered what happened
00:33:32.740
to those guys. Where'd they go? Well, they went to Columbia and this story continues as
00:33:37.420
all coup stories happen in a Marriott in Bogota, Columbia. Um, don't all of course they do.
00:33:45.480
I don't, I don't know. Yes, yes, yes. Uh, they always do. So that's when all of these guys
00:33:50.500
are clean, they have a Bible in the, in the, in the bedside. And so it's, you know, I mean,
00:33:56.480
even revolutionaries want a nice place to stay. Um, so what happens to this guy? I mean, first
00:34:02.520
of all, he is claiming on television that he got his orders direct from Donald Trump, which
00:34:09.980
is laughable. I mean, there's no Donald Trump. If he's going to go in, he's going in, he's
00:34:16.840
not going in with this guy. Yeah, no, this is dumb. Nobody would support this plan.
00:34:22.820
His claims are absolutely false, which we verified, uh, ourselves. Um, I don't know what
00:34:28.900
happens to him. Uh, Pompeo said yesterday that the U S government was going to do what
00:34:32.560
they could to try and get them back. But I personally don't think that they're going
00:34:36.100
to be able to do anything. We've already got sanctions on them. We're not going to push
00:34:39.600
this too far because it wasn't sanctioned. And then we don't want to make it. Well, why
00:34:42.980
would we wait, wait, wait? Yeah. Why would we want these guys back? I mean, you
00:34:48.620
know, if I go into another country and I break the law, I have to pay the price in
00:34:54.380
that the United States government is not going to come and save me. You know, I
00:34:57.920
have to pay the fine or go to jail or whatever it is. These guys were going in
00:35:02.960
to foment a revolution and a coup. And while I agree with the goal, I didn't, why
00:35:11.480
are we saving them? That's true. We'll come down directly to that. And you
00:35:17.120
know, these, these were big boys. They knew what they were doing. This is awful.
00:35:20.420
The situation is awful. Um, I think, or I think the official numbers are around
00:35:25.080
nine men died, including the Americans that were captured. They're alive, but it
00:35:29.760
was a, it was a tragedy. And you know, this kind of all, this really all falls on
00:35:34.080
Jordan Goudreau, the guy that, you know, started this. It was his plan. He was in
00:35:38.380
command of these guys. He convinced them to go. Jordan Goudreau, if, if, if he's
00:35:42.840
even listening to this, you need to go offer yourself. You need to go say, Hey,
00:35:46.400
look, I offer myself, let my men go. Cause this is all on his shoulders. A 300
00:35:52.020
troop plan to topple a government is absolutely ridiculous. It's all on his
00:35:57.120
shoulders. He needs to trade himself for his men and get them out of there.
00:36:00.700
Well, you know how ridiculous this charge is when the media who has tried to pin
00:36:06.160
everything on Donald Trump. I mean, everything when the media is not running
00:36:11.620
with this as an attempted coup, you know, it would be very damaging if, if, if,
00:36:17.220
if it were a coup, uh, that Donald Trump had done, if it was a, you know, uh, Iran
00:36:23.360
contra kind of thing, but it's so clearly not that even the mainstream media is not
00:36:28.160
running with that narrative. Now, this is a, this is basically like, uh, I don't
00:36:32.740
know, this is more like Bay of pigs. If the apple dumpling gang grabbed the local
00:36:36.480
crime Lord and said, Hey, let's go invade a country or something like that. Um, and
00:36:41.860
the way they tied it to Donald Trump is they said, look, this guy would like did
00:36:45.060
security with Trump and they, they pull all these screenshots of him providing
00:36:48.300
security at a lot of Trump rallies. Hey, I'm sorry, but probably every contractor
00:36:52.760
in America when they're not overseas has provided security for president Trump at
00:36:57.800
one of his rallies. So you're, that's easy to find. There's no, absolutely no
00:37:02.160
connection between this guy and Donald Trump, besides the fact that he knew
00:37:06.140
Trump's former bodyguard and use that, uh, connection to become, you know, to do
00:37:10.960
security at some of these, that, that is it. That's all.
00:37:15.200
Unbelievable. Thank you very much, uh, Jason. I appreciate it. And keep us up to
00:37:18.920
speed on this. Cause I, I find this story fascinating, just fascinating. I was
00:37:23.420
watching this, this, you know, hostage video, if you will, where he is, uh, he's
00:37:29.280
saying all these things. And I thought to myself, I haven't seen this, I think
00:37:32.600
since the cold war, I haven't seen anything like this. I mean, uh, it's, it's
00:37:39.260
just bizarre, just bizarre. Any idea how he's probably being treated or why he's
00:37:44.960
saying these things? Is he being tortured or is this just him? Just, I don't know,
00:37:50.400
trying to get preferential treatment. Well, he's been given the same treatment
00:37:54.140
I've been given and he's probably tapping into that is seer survival of
00:37:57.880
Asian resistance escape. And what he's doing right now is delaying as long as
00:38:01.040
possible. So he'll give out information that might, it sounds bad that he's
00:38:04.320
admitting to things, but he's doing what he has to do in order to save, to, to
00:38:08.120
stall for time so that he can survive. So that's what he's doing right now.
00:38:11.380
He's giving them little bits of information. He's giving them little bits of
00:38:14.520
little victories for them so he can get small victories for himself. Maybe I
00:38:18.820
shouldn't be saying a lot of this where I get in trouble and again, knock on the
00:38:21.360
door from a guy in a black suit, but he's doing what exactly what he needs to do
00:38:25.100
to stall for time. Right. And we, we've seen this happen before and our military
00:38:31.800
always knows about what these guys are doing. Unfortunately, this guy, uh, is out
00:38:39.000
on his own. I would be for rescuing people. If this, if our president or our
00:38:43.660
Pentagon was behind it and it was a failed deal, we have a responsibility
00:38:48.340
to that individual to go save them. Uh, but not if you're doing this on your
00:38:53.000
own, not if you're doing it on your own and it's, it's, it's, uh, uh, it's a
00:38:57.960
totally different story. So thank you very much, Jason. I appreciate it.