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00:00:00.000 Hey, it's Stu, in for Glenn on the Glenn Beck Program today.

00:00:03.280 We have, I mean, a lot going on.

00:00:05.120 Obviously, the weekend stuff that was going on was devastating,

00:00:09.080 and we go through all the truth there,

00:00:10.400 including something that is absolutely not being talked about

00:00:14.280 in the media coverage revolving around these shootings.

00:00:17.680 The motivations for the El Paso shooting

00:00:20.220 being thrown completely on Trump, on white supremacism in general.

00:00:23.960 There is another major part of that story

00:00:26.340 that the media is not telling you, and we'll get to that today.

00:00:28.260 We'll also talk to Pat Gray about the shootings, get his perspective,

00:00:33.660 and also Kevin Williamson.

00:00:35.140 Kevin Williamson, he has a new book out,

00:00:36.700 The Smallest Minority, Independent Thinking in the Age of Mob Politics.

00:00:39.940 We'll talk to him.

00:00:41.020 He gets in on what's going on with the shooting,

00:00:43.020 but also just kind of generally what's going on with the country

00:00:45.800 when it comes to the mob mentality.

00:00:48.400 We will also take on as many arguments as we can think of

00:00:51.880 that you're going to be seeing in your Facebook feed

00:00:53.240 about gun control over the next few days.

00:00:55.020 And a special guest, my wife, Lisa Page,

00:00:59.660 tells her story about,

00:01:01.940 and I think this is the way most people experience the news these days,

00:01:04.840 getting in fights on social media with all their friends about it.

00:01:08.220 All that on today's podcast.

00:01:09.600 You're listening to

00:01:17.780 The Best of the Glenn Beck Program

00:01:20.520 Well, we've

00:01:25.900 crossed over

00:01:28.220 lines that I didn't know could be crossed.

00:01:31.760 I have watched the media

00:01:33.720 for a very long time.

00:01:35.400 I've watched people in Washington,

00:01:38.480 politicians,

00:01:40.160 for a very long time.

00:01:43.200 And

00:01:43.580 I thought

00:01:45.460 I had seen

00:01:47.660 the worst of them.

00:01:49.980 And every time I think that,

00:01:52.380 I find something

00:01:54.040 brand new

00:01:55.160 that they do

00:01:57.080 that crosses yet another line.

00:02:00.500 This weekend's coverage

00:02:02.040 of the two mass shootings

00:02:04.520 in the United States

00:02:06.500 this weekend

00:02:07.080 where it was

00:02:07.920 was so incredibly horrific.

00:02:12.880 It's

00:02:13.440 I am almost

00:02:14.760 without words to describe it.

00:02:17.720 Of course, you know,

00:02:18.800 by now

00:02:19.260 in El Paso,

00:02:20.400 mass shooting

00:02:21.000 in Dayton, Ohio,

00:02:23.500 another mass shooting.

00:02:24.820 They are, you know,

00:02:27.900 horrible, horrible incidents.

00:02:29.680 And

00:02:29.900 yes,

00:02:31.140 I must say

00:02:32.260 my thoughts and prayers

00:02:33.840 are with the victims.

00:02:35.040 I know that's not cool anymore to say.

00:02:37.340 You know, honestly,

00:02:37.880 my thoughts,

00:02:38.640 what do you care about my thoughts?

00:02:41.120 Prayers are actually important.

00:02:42.460 If you happen to be

00:02:43.180 a person of faith,

00:02:44.960 here's something to let you,

00:02:45.980 if you're one of these people

00:02:46.960 that is not a person of faith,

00:02:48.260 you might think that prayers

00:02:49.660 are just meaningless.

00:02:51.660 And I,

00:02:52.120 that's certainly your right to do that.

00:02:53.460 But it's one of the most important things

00:02:55.540 that someone of faith

00:02:56.780 can actually offer

00:02:57.720 in a situation like this.

00:02:59.000 So when you demean it,

00:03:00.340 you're demeaning every,

00:03:01.700 the most important things

00:03:03.160 that everyone

00:03:03.940 you're talking about

00:03:04.800 believes in.

00:03:05.560 Just so you understand

00:03:06.740 what you're doing.

00:03:07.580 And we've actually crossed

00:03:08.400 the line there too

00:03:09.140 with politicians.

00:03:09.980 Because remember,

00:03:11.300 over the past few months

00:03:12.720 we've seen this thing creep up

00:03:14.200 where they say

00:03:14.680 thoughts and prayers

00:03:15.620 are not enough.

00:03:18.200 Thoughts and prayers

00:03:19.120 are not enough.

00:03:21.100 And

00:03:21.580 okay,

00:03:22.540 I mean,

00:03:23.300 I don't understand

00:03:24.500 why you feel the need

00:03:26.420 to point that out.

00:03:27.840 I guess you think it's cool,

00:03:29.200 it gets you some new donations.

00:03:31.020 But we've crossed the line now

00:03:32.380 to this

00:03:32.900 from Kamala Harris' weekend.

00:03:34.860 No more thoughts and prayers.

00:03:37.420 So no longer

00:03:38.480 are you allowed to think

00:03:40.500 about these incidents.

00:03:41.960 And no longer

00:03:42.960 are you absolutely,

00:03:44.720 you're certainly not able

00:03:46.420 to pray

00:03:47.180 for the victims

00:03:48.140 of these incidents.

00:03:48.920 Or the families

00:03:49.940 of the victims

00:03:50.560 of these incidents.

00:03:51.260 Don't think about them

00:03:52.700 and don't pray for them.

00:03:54.260 Kamala told you not to.

00:03:56.700 No more

00:03:57.920 thoughts and prayers.

00:04:00.520 Well,

00:04:00.880 I mean,

00:04:01.200 they've mastered

00:04:01.860 the no more thoughts

00:04:02.880 part of that.

00:04:03.820 Because they certainly

00:04:04.620 don't seem to be

00:04:05.500 using their noggin.

00:04:08.980 There is very little

00:04:10.440 thinking going on

00:04:11.400 when it comes to this.

00:04:12.200 But I want to get to

00:04:12.680 something very specific.

00:04:14.300 Because if you were

00:04:15.100 reading the reports

00:04:15.880 about this this weekend,

00:04:17.320 you'll notice of course

00:04:19.760 that the Dayton shooting

00:04:20.840 was basically

00:04:21.860 not talked about.

00:04:24.240 And the reason for that

00:04:25.560 is there's no

00:04:26.180 real political

00:04:26.920 use.

00:04:29.180 You know,

00:04:29.880 you look at the

00:04:31.220 2020 candidates

00:04:32.060 and we'll play them

00:04:32.820 all for you here.

00:04:34.040 What they're doing

00:04:35.020 is trying to find

00:04:36.640 the best way

00:04:37.640 to use the dead

00:04:38.840 bodies from the

00:04:39.760 weekend to move

00:04:40.560 their polls

00:04:41.200 1%,

00:04:42.580 2%.

00:04:43.940 Who can come out

00:04:44.940 with the coolest,

00:04:45.980 most viral reaction

00:04:47.700 to these horrible

00:04:49.320 tragedies

00:04:50.220 to try to move

00:04:51.420 up the scale

00:04:52.460 of the 25 candidates

00:04:53.660 by 1 or 2?

00:04:55.200 It's despicable.

00:04:56.420 It's completely

00:04:57.160 despicable.

00:04:58.160 But what they have done

00:04:59.060 and what the media

00:04:59.560 has done,

00:05:00.500 it goes beyond that

00:05:01.860 this weekend.

00:05:04.080 You heard this line

00:05:05.280 in probably

00:05:05.800 every single report

00:05:07.400 about the white

00:05:07.980 nationalist manifesto

00:05:09.280 that went on.

00:05:09.840 And I want to

00:05:10.140 quickly before we

00:05:11.300 take a one minute

00:05:12.040 break,

00:05:12.580 say this.

00:05:13.980 I was,

00:05:14.860 I am completely

00:05:15.860 with the blazes

00:05:17.040 policy of not

00:05:21.300 naming these victims.

00:05:22.380 I've been very

00:05:22.900 outspoken about that.

00:05:23.780 If you know this,

00:05:24.280 I was one of the

00:05:24.760 people behind the

00:05:25.620 scenes asking

00:05:26.300 for this policy

00:05:27.480 beforehand.

00:05:28.980 And I also

00:05:30.080 would extend that

00:05:30.920 to talking about

00:05:31.800 their motivations,

00:05:33.080 generally speaking.

00:05:34.040 I think you should

00:05:34.560 probably know

00:05:35.080 generally what they

00:05:35.760 are,

00:05:36.160 but focusing too

00:05:37.360 much on a manifesto

00:05:38.200 I think is a really

00:05:38.700 bad idea.

00:05:39.320 This is what they

00:05:39.760 want.

00:05:40.760 But because of what

00:05:41.500 the media has done

00:05:42.060 this weekend,

00:05:42.420 I want to give you

00:05:42.940 at least one

00:05:43.700 paragraph of this

00:05:44.940 manifesto because

00:05:45.680 they are,

00:05:46.560 they are,

00:05:46.940 you know,

00:05:47.460 frankly,

00:05:47.900 they are lying

00:05:48.480 to you about it.

00:05:49.460 They are lying to

00:05:50.160 you about the

00:05:50.880 entire thing and

00:05:52.000 you need to know

00:05:52.660 the details of it.

00:05:54.040 So here is the

00:05:55.000 one line you heard

00:05:55.800 everywhere this

00:05:56.800 weekend.

00:05:57.220 And if we can get

00:05:59.060 rid of enough people

00:06:00.000 then our white way

00:06:01.020 of life can become

00:06:02.060 more sustainable.

00:06:04.340 Obviously in the

00:06:05.040 context of all the

00:06:06.080 reporting with much

00:06:07.420 quotes from the

00:06:08.240 entire manifesto,

00:06:09.780 you would take that

00:06:10.880 to mean if we can

00:06:13.420 get rid of Hispanic 1.00

00:06:14.180 people,

00:06:15.020 right,

00:06:15.900 then the white way

00:06:17.660 of life will flourish.

00:06:19.620 That is sort of the

00:06:20.780 reasoning of this guy

00:06:21.500 and there is certainly

00:06:22.360 a lot of that in his

00:06:23.160 manifesto.

00:06:23.800 But I want to take a

00:06:25.100 60 second break and

00:06:26.120 on the other side

00:06:26.720 tell you what comes

00:06:28.140 immediately before that

00:06:30.280 in the same paragraph

00:06:32.780 back in 60 seconds.

00:06:38.440 This is the Glenn Beck

00:06:39.800 program.

00:06:40.720 If we can get rid of

00:06:41.820 enough people then our

00:06:42.860 way of life can become

00:06:43.800 more sustainable in

00:06:44.980 every single article

00:06:45.960 that I think I read

00:06:47.120 about these shootings.

00:06:49.040 And it is part of the

00:06:50.240 manifesto.

00:06:50.840 Now you will hear all

00:06:52.720 these candidates,

00:06:53.620 specifically blaming

00:06:56.140 Trump for these

00:06:57.600 shootings.

00:06:58.580 Beto O'Rourke

00:06:59.280 explicitly did it

00:07:01.220 this weekend.

00:07:01.880 He's from El Paso.

00:07:03.320 He said Trump is a

00:07:04.640 white nationalist

00:07:05.420 and he is responsible

00:07:08.900 for this shooting.

00:07:10.600 His racism is the one

00:07:12.060 leading to the violence.

00:07:13.520 President Trump is

00:07:14.560 responsible for this

00:07:15.720 violence from

00:07:16.500 Cory Booker.

00:07:17.240 We'll play you the

00:07:17.760 quotes coming up.

00:07:18.480 I don't want to run

00:07:18.960 out of time here

00:07:19.500 though.

00:07:22.020 Several of these

00:07:22.680 candidates did the

00:07:23.400 same thing.

00:07:24.160 The blame is on

00:07:24.780 President Trump.

00:07:25.480 Why?

00:07:25.760 Because in the

00:07:26.180 manifesto it does

00:07:27.400 reference the

00:07:28.860 dislike for

00:07:29.440 immigration, the

00:07:31.060 dislike for illegal

00:07:33.780 immigration, the

00:07:35.020 idea that many

00:07:36.420 people would be

00:07:37.060 coming across the

00:07:37.660 border and invading.

00:07:38.820 That was a big

00:07:39.260 thing that you saw

00:07:39.960 people talking about

00:07:41.200 how Trump said

00:07:42.520 this looks like an

00:07:43.320 invasion and this

00:07:44.060 guy says it looks

00:07:44.860 like an invasion.

00:07:45.600 This is Trump's

00:07:46.260 fault.

00:07:46.600 So let me give

00:07:48.820 you this paragraph

00:07:49.460 from the

00:07:51.120 manifesto.

00:07:52.640 Again it ends

00:07:53.740 with this.

00:07:54.660 If we can get

00:07:55.100 rid of enough

00:07:55.480 people then our

00:07:56.580 way of life can

00:07:57.640 become more

00:07:58.280 sustainable.

00:08:01.080 Obviously in

00:08:01.800 context what that

00:08:02.620 means is that white

00:08:03.780 people can have a

00:08:04.560 more sustainable

00:08:05.160 flourishing life if

00:08:06.180 we get rid of all

00:08:07.700 these Mexicans.

00:08:08.620 Here is the

00:08:09.180 paragraph.

00:08:09.520 The American

00:08:10.920 lifestyle affords

00:08:11.900 our citizens an

00:08:12.620 incredible quality of

00:08:13.680 life.

00:08:13.920 However, our

00:08:15.420 lifestyle is

00:08:17.100 destroying the

00:08:18.380 environment of the

00:08:19.700 country.

00:08:21.180 The decimation of

00:08:23.200 the environment is

00:08:24.340 creating a massive

00:08:25.440 burden for future

00:08:26.800 generations.

00:08:28.360 Does this sound

00:08:30.100 like Donald Trump

00:08:30.920 to you?

00:08:33.520 Corporations are

00:08:35.280 heading the

00:08:36.140 destruction of our

00:08:37.600 environment by

00:08:38.700 shamelessly over

00:08:40.260 harvesting resources.

00:08:44.920 Is this Donald

00:08:45.960 Trump or is it

00:08:47.220 anything you could

00:08:48.300 have heard from

00:08:48.900 any of the 25

00:08:50.220 candidates running

00:08:51.800 for the

00:08:52.140 presidency in the

00:08:54.280 Democratic Party?

00:08:55.640 Could this not be

00:08:56.760 said by Jay Inslee?

00:08:59.760 This has been a

00:09:00.660 problem for decades

00:09:01.460 going back to the

00:09:02.300 manifesto.

00:09:02.800 For example,

00:09:04.180 shamelessly over

00:09:04.940 harvesting this

00:09:05.580 phenomenon is

00:09:07.160 brilliantly portrayed

00:09:08.060 in the decades old

00:09:09.260 classic the

00:09:10.160 Lorax.

00:09:11.940 Watersheds around

00:09:12.780 the country,

00:09:13.480 especially in

00:09:14.240 agricultural areas,

00:09:15.440 are being depleted.

00:09:17.420 Fresh water is

00:09:18.400 being polluted from

00:09:19.460 farming and oil

00:09:20.520 drilling operations.

00:09:22.220 Consumer culture is

00:09:24.160 creating thousands of

00:09:25.440 tons of unnecessary

00:09:26.980 plastic waste and

00:09:31.600 electronic waste and

00:09:33.340 recycling to help

00:09:34.700 slow this down is

00:09:37.120 almost non-existent.

00:09:39.220 You see, he's very

00:09:42.140 upset that there's

00:09:43.400 not enough recycling

00:09:44.720 going on just like

00:09:46.840 Donald Trump.

00:09:47.100 We're harvesting

00:09:47.840 resources just like

00:09:49.940 Donald Trump.

00:09:50.820 He's very upset at

00:09:53.400 the corporations

00:09:54.560 heading the

00:09:55.700 destruction of our

00:09:56.980 environment just like

00:09:58.640 Donald Trump.

00:10:00.300 Now, when the

00:10:01.740 Mick Mulvaney went

00:10:02.720 on TV this weekend to

00:10:04.120 try to defend the

00:10:04.740 president, he brought

00:10:05.500 up the fact that

00:10:07.100 this maniac, who

00:10:09.360 we will not name,

00:10:10.880 said, well, all my

00:10:12.220 ideas predate Trump.

00:10:13.360 It's not Trump's

00:10:13.940 fault, which is true.

00:10:14.640 He does say that.

00:10:15.980 But this is, to me,

00:10:16.960 much more important

00:10:18.020 that people understand.

00:10:20.280 He goes on after the

00:10:21.620 we're not recycling

00:10:23.440 enough commentary to

00:10:25.280 say that urban

00:10:25.880 sprawl creates

00:10:28.120 inefficient cities

00:10:29.260 which unnecessarily

00:10:30.880 destroy millions of

00:10:32.160 acres of land.

00:10:33.240 we even use

00:10:35.540 God knows how

00:10:36.660 many trees

00:10:37.880 worth of paper

00:10:38.820 towels

00:10:39.420 just to wipe

00:10:41.100 water off

00:10:42.500 our hands.

00:10:44.920 Everything I have

00:10:45.900 seen and heard in my

00:10:46.720 short life has led me

00:10:47.780 to believe that the

00:10:48.920 average American isn't

00:10:50.140 willing to change

00:10:50.840 their lifestyle even

00:10:51.920 if the changes only

00:10:52.980 cause a slight

00:10:54.400 inconvenience.

00:10:55.680 The government

00:10:56.440 is unwilling to

00:10:58.080 tackle these issues

00:10:59.220 beyond empty

00:11:00.060 promises because

00:11:01.000 they are owned

00:11:02.560 by corporations.

00:11:05.140 Was that a quote

00:11:06.320 from Elizabeth Warren

00:11:07.440 or the manifesto

00:11:09.060 of the El Paso

00:11:10.340 shooter?

00:11:11.040 Which one was it?

00:11:11.840 Do you know?

00:11:12.600 If I were to just

00:11:13.180 give you that out of

00:11:13.740 context, who said

00:11:14.560 that?

00:11:15.120 Certainly wouldn't be

00:11:15.860 Donald Trump as

00:11:17.000 your guess, would it?

00:11:20.680 Corporations that

00:11:21.720 also like immigration

00:11:23.520 because more people

00:11:24.500 means a bigger market

00:11:25.420 for their products.

00:11:26.520 I just want to say

00:11:27.260 that I love the people

00:11:28.140 of this country, but

00:11:29.320 GD, most of you

00:11:30.580 are too stubborn

00:11:31.900 to change your

00:11:32.560 lifestyle.

00:11:33.560 So the next

00:11:34.080 logical step is to

00:11:35.220 decrease the number

00:11:36.380 of people using

00:11:37.300 resources, and here's

00:11:39.220 where the media picks

00:11:40.020 it up.

00:11:40.980 If we can get rid of

00:11:42.140 enough people, then

00:11:43.380 our way of life can

00:11:44.480 become more

00:11:45.100 sustainable.

00:11:46.880 Do you believe the

00:11:51.900 media is this

00:11:52.820 horrible?

00:11:53.640 I do this for a

00:11:55.500 living.

00:11:55.800 This is my stupid

00:11:58.480 job to come on

00:12:00.020 this radio station

00:12:01.580 you're listening to

00:12:02.400 or this podcast that

00:12:03.780 you're listening to

00:12:04.620 and blab about how

00:12:06.340 bad the media does

00:12:07.680 every single day.

00:12:09.680 And it's easy to

00:12:11.540 find examples of it.

00:12:13.120 But it has been an

00:12:14.320 exclusive focus.

00:12:16.040 There's a massive op-ed

00:12:17.460 from the New York

00:12:18.260 Times today that we

00:12:19.240 can go through.

00:12:20.580 There are dozens of

00:12:22.480 articles in the Times.

00:12:23.860 Every candidate that

00:12:24.940 came out on record is

00:12:26.460 saying basically the

00:12:27.460 same thing, that it's

00:12:28.140 Donald Trump's fault.

00:12:32.180 The media is a

00:12:34.060 concert.

00:12:35.540 They're all playing the

00:12:36.680 same note, though.

00:12:38.020 And that note is, it's

00:12:39.560 Donald Trump's fault

00:12:40.820 that the shooting went

00:12:41.560 on.

00:12:41.760 It's his rhetoric that

00:12:42.660 leads to these things.

00:12:43.700 If you want to find a

00:12:44.620 balanced source, they'll

00:12:45.660 say something like,

00:12:46.820 well, look, you can't

00:12:47.780 blame Donald Trump, but

00:12:49.040 he's creating an

00:12:49.860 environment in which

00:12:50.840 this stuff can flourish.

00:12:52.400 Well, what the hell

00:12:53.740 is this?

00:12:56.060 Listen to the

00:12:56.980 candidates on stage.

00:12:58.360 They are telling you

00:12:59.300 that people like

00:13:00.560 Donald Trump and

00:13:01.220 corporations are

00:13:02.620 killing you, killing 0.99

00:13:03.960 your children, using

00:13:05.740 things like excess

00:13:08.320 plastic waste, not

00:13:09.640 enough recycling,

00:13:11.060 ruining our water.

00:13:12.960 The environment is

00:13:13.960 under attack by the

00:13:15.480 American consumer, and

00:13:17.580 we must do

00:13:18.440 something to stop

00:13:19.720 it, or our way of

00:13:21.300 life will not be able

00:13:22.740 to be sustained.

00:13:24.240 That is the

00:13:25.480 unquestioned truth

00:13:26.780 from every single

00:13:28.280 Democrat and

00:13:29.560 basically every media

00:13:31.420 source available in

00:13:32.960 America today.

00:13:38.120 Now, it's one thing to

00:13:40.260 completely ignore the

00:13:42.900 part of the manifesto

00:13:44.120 that disagrees with

00:13:45.920 your narrative, because

00:13:47.220 that's what a lot of

00:13:48.260 the media has done

00:13:49.280 here.

00:13:49.760 They just say, you

00:13:50.760 know what?

00:13:52.480 You know what?

00:13:53.220 I gotta say, look, it's

00:13:55.080 all about Trump.

00:13:55.940 It's all about

00:13:56.400 immigration.

00:13:57.380 That's what he's

00:13:57.940 talking about.

00:13:58.520 We're not gonna link

00:13:59.060 to it now, because we

00:14:00.600 don't want to give him

00:14:01.180 attention.

00:14:01.820 That's our reasoning.

00:14:02.740 We're not gonna link to

00:14:03.580 it.

00:14:04.320 But, trust us, here's a

00:14:06.500 bunch of quotes from it

00:14:07.280 that all point to the

00:14:08.220 white supremacy thing.

00:14:09.940 Yet here he is

00:14:10.840 outlining, and in

00:14:11.780 detail, every argument,

00:14:14.120 you could say the same

00:14:15.840 thing about Elizabeth 0.85

00:14:16.540 Warren.

00:14:17.540 He's talking, she's 1.00

00:14:18.260 talking about corporate

00:14:19.240 consumerism, destroying

00:14:20.520 our nation, victimizing

00:14:22.500 innocent people.

00:14:23.820 Jay Inslee is talking

00:14:25.060 about how the

00:14:25.620 environment is being

00:14:26.440 ruined, and people

00:14:27.760 like, you know, Donald

00:14:29.820 Trump and big

00:14:31.800 corporations are

00:14:33.320 victimizing you and

00:14:35.500 destroying our way of

00:14:36.840 life.

00:14:37.280 He's quoting from their

00:14:39.380 campaign platforms.

00:14:40.860 It's one thing to

00:14:43.540 ignore it, it's

00:14:45.480 another step beyond

00:14:47.420 that, to use a quote

00:14:49.780 from that paragraph, and

00:14:52.700 still not mention the

00:14:54.680 environmentalist part of

00:14:56.440 his manifesto.

00:14:58.200 They're quoting from the

00:14:59.380 same paragraph, and

00:15:03.640 acting as if that

00:15:05.680 information does not

00:15:06.960 exist, beyond, beyond

00:15:10.580 horrible, beyond

00:15:11.940 anything I have ever

00:15:13.400 seen before in the

00:15:15.420 media.

00:15:16.100 Let's play some of the

00:15:17.020 clips for you.

00:15:18.400 Here is, let's start

00:15:20.020 with Beto O'Rourke,

00:15:21.320 because, look, Beto

00:15:22.420 O'Rourke is in a

00:15:23.120 massive amount of

00:15:24.980 desperation.

00:15:26.300 He needs something to

00:15:27.620 go his way, and he's

00:15:29.960 decided, you know

00:15:31.160 what, there's a bunch

00:15:32.520 of people suffering, so

00:15:34.320 let's use that.

00:15:35.620 That's a good way to

00:15:36.720 rise in the polls.

00:15:37.920 Here is Beto O'Rourke

00:15:40.820 talking about Trump

00:15:41.760 being a white 0.74

00:15:42.580 nationalist.

00:15:44.060 Do you think

00:15:44.420 President Trump is a

00:15:45.240 white nationalist?

00:15:48.280 Yes, I do, and

00:15:50.080 again, from some of

00:15:51.820 the record that I just

00:15:52.580 recited to you, the

00:15:54.080 things that he has

00:15:55.000 said, both as a

00:15:56.900 candidate and then as

00:15:58.980 the president of the

00:16:00.300 United States, this

00:16:01.740 cannot be open for

00:16:04.380 debate.

00:16:04.980 And you, as well as

00:16:06.500 I, have a

00:16:07.380 responsibility to call

00:16:08.580 that out to make

00:16:09.400 sure that the

00:16:10.360 American people

00:16:11.040 understand what is

00:16:12.040 being done in their

00:16:13.400 name by the person

00:16:14.260 who holds the

00:16:14.960 highest position of

00:16:16.380 public trust in this

00:16:17.900 land.

00:16:18.300 So it's not even,

00:16:19.560 it's okay to suggest

00:16:21.160 it.

00:16:21.360 There can't be a

00:16:22.060 debate about it.

00:16:22.640 You can't disagree.

00:16:24.260 Look, there's no

00:16:26.580 evidence that Donald

00:16:28.400 Trump is a white 0.66

00:16:29.560 nationalist.

00:16:31.040 Is he occasionally

00:16:32.300 insensitive when it

00:16:33.620 comes to racial

00:16:34.360 issues?

00:16:34.980 Probably.

00:16:35.780 Probably true.

00:16:36.580 Does he say the

00:16:37.180 wrong thing sometimes?

00:16:38.260 Yeah, probably true.

00:16:40.240 Is he a white 0.94

00:16:41.020 national, does he have

00:16:41.680 a white nationalist

00:16:42.480 ideology?

00:16:43.460 You know, it's hard to

00:16:44.700 I think make an

00:16:45.200 argument that Donald

00:16:45.720 Trump has a

00:16:46.320 particularly well

00:16:47.480 defined ideology of

00:16:48.560 any sort.

00:16:49.500 He believes in a few

00:16:50.080 things really strongly,

00:16:51.520 things like trade

00:16:52.060 protectionism that he's

00:16:52.860 believed in his

00:16:53.360 entire life ever since

00:16:54.360 he's been in the

00:16:54.780 public eye.

00:16:55.880 There are things like

00:16:56.700 the border that, you

00:16:57.860 know, he came to

00:16:58.560 later in life, but

00:17:00.100 has been pretty

00:17:00.540 consistent in this run

00:17:02.340 since he announced

00:17:04.180 his candidacy.

00:17:04.860 He's been strong on

00:17:06.280 the border, has been

00:17:07.400 trying to do that

00:17:08.380 pretty outwardly.

00:17:10.140 But the idea that he

00:17:10.720 is any, there's any

00:17:12.180 evidence that he has a

00:17:13.660 developed white

00:17:15.060 supremacist ideology is

00:17:16.800 completely insane.

00:17:18.240 It is not true.

00:17:20.060 Beto O'Rourke knows

00:17:21.200 it's not true.

00:17:23.640 Here is Beto talking

00:17:25.160 about Trump's racism

00:17:26.340 leading to violence.

00:17:27.960 He is a racist, and

00:17:30.140 he stokes racism in

00:17:31.980 this country, and it

00:17:32.640 does not just offend

00:17:34.080 our sensibilities, it

00:17:36.140 fundamentally changes

00:17:37.700 the character of this

00:17:38.900 country, and it leads

00:17:39.920 to violence.

00:17:41.480 It leads to violence.

00:17:42.080 I mean, again, do you

00:17:44.100 think Beto, you know,

00:17:45.420 it's his district, it's

00:17:46.740 his, at least his

00:17:47.420 area, do you think he

00:17:48.820 bothered to read the

00:17:49.860 manifesto?

00:17:51.100 Do you think that we

00:17:51.780 could, does he know

00:17:52.720 that we could go into

00:17:53.580 his platform and do the

00:17:54.880 exact same thing to him?

00:17:56.880 Does he know it?

00:17:57.540 Does he care?

00:17:58.900 Because he knows the

00:17:59.700 media is not going to

00:18:00.360 do it to him.

00:18:01.300 The media is not going

00:18:01.900 to say, hey, Beto O'Rourke

00:18:03.740 and Jay Inslee and

00:18:05.940 Kamala Harris, you know 0.97

00:18:07.180 what?

00:18:07.480 We're seeing a lot of

00:18:08.360 your rhetoric in his

00:18:10.040 manifesto.

00:18:10.980 Do you want to comment

00:18:12.060 on that?

00:18:13.560 Is that fair?

00:18:15.380 Well, of course it's not

00:18:16.620 fair.

00:18:17.920 Of course it's not fair.

00:18:19.400 Just like it's not fair

00:18:20.420 to blame Donald Trump.

00:18:22.400 You don't, this is a

00:18:24.000 crazy idea, and I've

00:18:25.180 developed this over a

00:18:26.200 long, long, I see,

00:18:27.440 I've been thinking

00:18:27.900 about this one for a

00:18:28.640 while, and I want you

00:18:29.120 to see, I'm going to

00:18:29.620 run it by you, see what

00:18:30.300 you think.

00:18:31.060 Maybe the person who

00:18:32.100 pulls the trigger should

00:18:32.880 be responsible for the

00:18:33.880 murders.

00:18:37.580 Now look, the show's

00:18:39.140 really short if we all

00:18:41.140 agree on that one.

00:18:42.040 I got to tell you, this

00:18:42.920 three-hour thing, filling

00:18:44.200 in for Glenn today, I'd

00:18:46.140 have to go, and we might

00:18:47.180 be talking NFL by hour

00:18:48.420 two, because I don't, I

00:18:51.240 would not be able to

00:18:52.300 keep this one going if we

00:18:53.980 all agree on it, but I

00:18:55.140 thought it would be an

00:18:56.400 interesting concept if we

00:18:58.280 blamed the perpetrator of

00:18:59.980 the crime for the crime.

00:19:02.580 I thought we could go

00:19:03.660 down that road.

00:19:05.100 We don't blame whatever

00:19:06.460 politician we don't like

00:19:08.120 for the crime.

00:19:09.880 Instead, we blame the

00:19:11.180 person who actually

00:19:12.680 committed the crime for

00:19:14.500 the crime.

00:19:15.380 It's an approach

00:19:16.240 occasionally used by law

00:19:17.620 enforcement.

00:19:18.100 That's kind of how they

00:19:21.720 look at it.

00:19:22.420 We've got a legal system

00:19:23.580 that our founders put

00:19:24.460 together that put the

00:19:25.960 squarely the blame for a

00:19:30.080 crime on the shoulders of

00:19:31.760 the person who committed

00:19:32.840 it.

00:19:33.140 Not family members, not

00:19:35.440 their children, not their 0.81

00:19:36.660 brothers, not their 0.69

00:19:37.580 fathers, not the person

00:19:39.520 that they share general

00:19:41.420 agreement with on one

00:19:43.340 section of a politician's

00:19:44.920 policy.

00:19:45.500 And not the person who

00:19:49.000 also agrees we don't

00:19:50.720 recycle enough or we're

00:19:52.740 over-harvesting resources

00:19:54.380 or that corporations are

00:19:56.420 the massive ill destroying

00:19:58.480 our nation.

00:20:00.180 No, no.

00:20:01.580 We don't blame them.

00:20:03.140 We blame the person who

00:20:04.480 actually committed the

00:20:05.520 crime.

00:20:06.360 Crazy idea.

00:20:07.960 Let me know what you

00:20:08.720 think.

00:20:09.060 The best of the Glenn Beck

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00:20:31.100 We go to Dave in

00:20:31.660 Washington.

00:20:32.120 Hey, Dave.

00:20:34.320 Hey, Stu.

00:20:35.560 This is why I subscribe to

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00:20:39.540 I've been on the road

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00:20:42.140 morning, and I've

00:20:43.800 listened to CNN, to

00:20:45.420 Fox and Friends.

00:20:46.520 I listened to a little

00:20:47.340 bit of Breitbart, and I

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00:20:56.600 time I'm not getting

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00:21:11.080 This is the best of the

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00:21:23.980 In the New York Times

00:21:25.020 today, there's a op-ed from

00:21:26.880 James Comey, and it's

00:21:29.560 entitled, Mr. President,

00:21:31.060 Please Take a Stand

00:21:32.820 Against Racism.

00:21:34.620 This is what you've

00:21:35.500 heard basically nonstop,

00:21:36.840 that the president needs

00:21:37.640 to condemn, in the

00:21:38.360 strongest terms, racism.

00:21:41.160 Well, if that's actually

00:21:43.860 what the request was, the

00:21:45.080 president just did that

00:21:46.060 in incredibly explicit

00:21:48.780 terms, condemned racism,

00:21:51.640 said the ideology of hate

00:21:52.960 has no place here, said

00:21:55.080 that the internet was a

00:21:57.740 big source of this, and he

00:21:59.720 wants to go after it, going

00:22:02.480 after, he said, we will

00:22:03.940 not be powerless in

00:22:04.840 trying to stop this

00:22:05.580 ideology, and he

00:22:08.060 condemned racism in the

00:22:09.460 strongest terms you've

00:22:10.220 probably heard him do it

00:22:11.940 in.

00:22:12.260 So, I mean, if that was

00:22:13.460 actually a real request,

00:22:16.260 it has been fulfilled.

00:22:17.680 I suspect that the goal

00:22:19.940 posts will be moved on

00:22:21.020 this one, and now there

00:22:22.800 will be, well, why aren't

00:22:23.680 you doing X, Y, and Z?

00:22:24.720 There was a six-part plan

00:22:27.980 the president outlined in

00:22:30.400 response to these

00:22:31.100 shootings.

00:22:32.180 Talked about the DOJ

00:22:33.660 looking for early warning

00:22:34.880 signs for people being

00:22:36.500 radicalized and potentially

00:22:37.720 turning into shooters.

00:22:39.940 He started talking about

00:22:40.760 involving big tech

00:22:41.800 companies and trying to

00:22:42.860 detect these things

00:22:43.620 early.

00:22:44.100 That was one.

00:22:44.720 Two, wanted to stop the

00:22:46.200 glorification of violence

00:22:47.740 in our society.

00:22:48.620 He cited the video games

00:22:50.180 that have been cited by,

00:22:52.240 you know, a lot of

00:22:52.900 conservatives, and usually

00:22:54.660 are after shootings, and

00:22:56.660 the media's glorification

00:22:58.540 in general of these

00:22:59.740 shootings.

00:23:00.540 Talked about mental

00:23:01.180 health treatment and

00:23:02.400 potential confinement if

00:23:04.060 someone seems to be a

00:23:05.520 high risk.

00:23:07.440 The only sort of gun law 0.68

00:23:09.900 he mentioned, one

00:23:11.900 surrounding the gun

00:23:12.800 debate, would be the

00:23:13.480 red flag laws.

00:23:14.560 This is a extreme risk

00:23:16.620 protection.

00:23:17.540 It's a program we've

00:23:18.620 talked about before, and

00:23:20.100 it exists in several

00:23:21.340 states.

00:23:21.720 Basically, if someone, if

00:23:23.760 a lot of people around

00:23:24.620 somebody are saying,

00:23:25.540 this guy is in a major

00:23:26.760 problem, here's the

00:23:27.580 evidence, that there

00:23:28.620 could be some process to

00:23:29.960 at least temporarily take

00:23:31.100 away their weapons if

00:23:32.180 they are deemed to be a

00:23:34.280 massive threat.

00:23:37.320 And step six, I guess,

00:23:41.140 step six was the, step

00:23:43.120 five, excuse me, the

00:23:43.720 federal death penalty.

00:23:45.580 He wants to make that

00:23:46.920 come back.

00:23:47.360 He'd already talked about

00:23:48.000 that already.

00:23:48.320 And bringing in the

00:23:50.500 opportunity to kill

00:23:51.600 people in a federal

00:23:54.100 sense, which obviously

00:23:56.080 the states already have

00:23:56.960 their own laws on that.

00:23:57.900 And he talked about

00:23:58.500 doing last, it was the

00:23:59.980 all ideas that will

00:24:00.760 actually work.

00:24:01.760 That was interesting in

00:24:02.500 the way he phrased

00:24:03.140 actually.

00:24:04.400 The emphasis on

00:24:05.400 actually, meaning don't

00:24:06.620 bring me the same old

00:24:08.320 crap you do over and

00:24:09.620 over again after these

00:24:10.440 shootings that aren't

00:24:11.240 going to affect them.

00:24:12.060 He talked about his

00:24:15.100 past accomplishments

00:24:15.960 with school shootings

00:24:17.300 and with the hope of

00:24:18.560 trying to get something

00:24:19.280 bipartisan done.

00:24:21.820 And we should, you can

00:24:22.620 always talk about whether

00:24:23.220 that's a good idea.

00:24:24.060 Bipartisan action sometimes

00:24:25.720 sounds better than it is

00:24:27.180 in moments of national

00:24:29.940 stress.

00:24:31.340 We'll get into that in a

00:24:32.460 moment.

00:24:32.700 Let's take a 60 second

00:24:33.580 break and we'll give you

00:24:34.340 one more quick review before

00:24:35.640 we get to the bottom of

00:24:36.480 the hour.

00:24:36.720 We have Kevin

00:24:43.200 Williamson coming up

00:24:44.100 here in just a little

00:24:45.300 while and he's going to

00:24:47.040 react to the shooting as

00:24:47.940 well.

00:24:48.100 He's got his new book out

00:24:48.840 called The Smallest

00:24:49.640 Minority. 0.51

00:24:50.740 It plays into, it really

00:24:51.920 ties in well with the

00:24:53.860 conversation going on

00:24:54.820 today.

00:24:55.260 A couple things I want to

00:24:55.780 give you quickly.

00:24:56.680 How much time do we have?

00:24:57.640 We're about a minute.

00:25:01.420 The president brought up

00:25:02.360 his ban of bump stocks

00:25:03.360 and that is interesting.

00:25:05.740 It's obviously used as

00:25:06.700 a positive here.

00:25:09.080 I do not agree that it's

00:25:10.380 a positive.

00:25:11.140 I believe that is an

00:25:12.420 entirely unconstitutional

00:25:13.980 thing that the president

00:25:15.080 has done.

00:25:16.820 And we talked about that

00:25:18.060 in depth at the time.

00:25:20.100 You can't just ban things

00:25:22.080 when it comes to firearms

00:25:23.680 in this country.

00:25:24.440 It's, you know, I mean,

00:25:25.320 he's been able to do it.

00:25:26.140 I do believe it will go up

00:25:27.300 and be challenged in the

00:25:28.160 courts and, you know,

00:25:29.920 potentially be overturned

00:25:31.040 eventually.

00:25:31.800 It's not that I care about

00:25:32.920 bump stocks.

00:25:33.440 Certainly never going to

00:25:34.080 buy one.

00:25:35.100 But this is a positive

00:25:36.680 this is a incredible,

00:25:37.900 it's an incredibly slippery

00:25:39.960 slope we're talking about

00:25:41.520 here.

00:25:42.100 And I don't believe it

00:25:43.320 should have been allowed.

00:25:44.560 There's also reporting in

00:25:46.660 Tim Alberta's new book.

00:25:47.840 This is following the

00:25:48.980 Steve Scalise shooting.

00:25:51.140 Says the only unusual part

00:25:52.400 of Trump's response to the

00:25:53.620 Scalise shooting was his

00:25:54.400 fixation and discussions

00:25:55.500 with doctors at the

00:25:56.380 hospital and later with

00:25:57.380 Scalise himself on the

00:25:58.380 size of the bullet.

00:25:59.680 There's also the question

00:26:00.760 he posed to friends and

00:26:01.980 aides in the days following

00:26:03.300 the shooting.

00:26:04.180 Quote, should we do gun

00:26:05.780 control?

00:26:06.400 The president asked.

00:26:07.580 Steve can lead the way.

00:26:08.820 He's got credibility now.

00:26:10.480 End quote.

00:26:12.780 You know, the defense of the

00:26:14.760 Second Amendment has never 0.66

00:26:15.460 been central to Donald

00:26:16.520 Trump's candidacy per se.

00:26:18.220 He's had a, I would say,

00:26:19.640 a really good record when it

00:26:20.800 comes to someone like

00:26:21.640 Gorsuch.

00:26:23.320 I feel very confident in his

00:26:25.020 backing there.

00:26:25.740 So far, he's holding the

00:26:28.200 line on this.

00:26:29.020 I think the phrasing that he

00:26:30.980 said in that statement, the

00:26:32.920 way he emphasized the word

00:26:34.380 actually, when he said, I

00:26:35.400 will look at all ideas that

00:26:37.300 will actually work, was

00:26:39.120 important.

00:26:40.100 The president and his

00:26:40.900 administration seem to be

00:26:42.020 holding the line on this.

00:26:43.300 It gets tough sometimes, but

00:26:44.940 this is when it's most

00:26:45.840 important to have principles.

00:26:51.960 You're listening to the

00:26:53.240 best of the Glenn Beck

00:26:54.220 program.

00:26:55.740 Jeffrey Goldberg, the

00:27:06.080 editor-in-chief of The

00:27:07.140 Atlantic, called Kevin

00:27:08.280 Williamson one of the most

00:27:09.300 talented conservative

00:27:10.360 writers in America.

00:27:11.980 He also said he's not one of

00:27:13.840 the most talented

00:27:14.380 conservative writers in

00:27:15.420 America.

00:27:16.000 He's one of the most

00:27:16.840 talented writers in

00:27:18.660 America.

00:27:19.920 High praise that could only

00:27:21.440 be followed up just a few

00:27:22.400 days later with, and that's

00:27:24.080 why he can't work here.

00:27:25.740 Kevin Williamson is a

00:27:29.120 fantastic writer.

00:27:30.660 You know his work from

00:27:31.620 National Review and The

00:27:33.340 Atlantic for like three

00:27:34.320 days, and he joins us now.

00:27:36.460 His new book is called The

00:27:37.920 Smallest Minority, Independent 0.57

00:27:39.300 Thinking in the Age of Mob

00:27:41.000 Politics.

00:27:41.800 Welcome to the show, Kevin.

00:27:43.180 Hey, how are you?

00:27:44.420 Pretty good.

00:27:45.500 It was an interesting weekend

00:27:47.080 weekend and speech from

00:27:48.600 President Trump.

00:27:49.460 Do you have any reaction as

00:27:52.300 to what the day's events are,

00:27:54.560 where the day's events are

00:27:55.640 taking us?

00:27:57.480 Well, I guess my only reaction

00:28:00.300 would be from Isaiah, and

00:28:02.620 woe unto them who call evil

00:28:04.480 good.

00:28:04.860 I think that we are at a

00:28:08.160 moment in our national

00:28:09.340 history in which we are

00:28:10.560 almost entirely without

00:28:12.020 moral and intellectual

00:28:14.220 leadership.

00:28:15.240 I resist the urge to put the

00:28:16.980 president at the center of

00:28:18.500 national life, but it's

00:28:19.760 natural that in times like

00:28:20.980 this, people would be looking

00:28:22.040 to him for some clarity and

00:28:24.380 direction, at least so far as

00:28:25.960 policy and such things go.

00:28:27.740 That, of course, is lacking

00:28:28.760 because he's a man of no

00:28:30.540 principles and can't really

00:28:32.220 provide clarity for that

00:28:33.340 reason.

00:28:33.940 So it's a terrible scene.

00:28:37.640 You know, I live here in

00:28:38.860 Dallas where the El Paso

00:28:40.040 shooter was from this area,

00:28:41.680 and I think that there's a

00:28:44.440 great deal of sadness and

00:28:46.600 frustration here over that.

00:28:49.040 Yeah, it's really rough, and

00:28:51.160 I, you know, it's one of

00:28:53.060 those things where it's

00:28:54.160 dominating the news coverage

00:28:55.880 today, and it's important to

00:28:57.560 talk about it, but I do want

00:28:59.320 to kind of transition to the

00:29:00.780 book.

00:29:00.960 I think, you know, there is

00:29:02.120 a natural transition here in

00:29:04.380 that, you know, probably the

00:29:05.840 gun debate is potentially the

00:29:07.280 most tribal thing that goes

00:29:09.480 on in our politics.

00:29:10.860 I mean, you know, you see

00:29:11.680 this immediately after the

00:29:13.980 shooting.

00:29:14.440 People don't even take time to

00:29:16.980 even understand how many

00:29:18.480 people have been lost before

00:29:20.880 they're saying either it's

00:29:23.280 about video games or whatever

00:29:25.320 it is on the right or on the

00:29:26.880 left, it's about gun

00:29:27.740 legislation.

00:29:28.300 Do you see that as maybe the

00:29:31.100 most obvious reflection of

00:29:32.660 what your book kind of covers?

00:29:34.680 Well, I think that, yeah, it

00:29:36.580 seems like the press releases

00:29:37.480 are already written.

00:29:38.240 They didn't have someone on

00:29:39.240 file awaiting to go through

00:29:40.440 these sorts of episodes.

00:29:42.360 But there's something else that

00:29:43.600 I get to, and I don't want to

00:29:45.520 trivialize these shootings by

00:29:49.340 saying that they're the same

00:29:50.160 thing as these, you know, sort

00:29:51.300 of social media outrage

00:29:52.520 episodes, because they're not,

00:29:54.880 but they have something in

00:29:55.740 common, which is we have a

00:29:58.880 culture in which certain

00:30:00.500 people have come to feel that

00:30:02.160 the only thing really worth

00:30:03.860 having is someone's attention.

00:30:06.540 What they value above all is

00:30:08.840 celebrity, fame, notoriety, and

00:30:12.380 they engage in these

00:30:13.920 performative hysterics, and these

00:30:16.680 mass shootings are, in that

00:30:18.300 sense, not just acts of

00:30:20.820 terrorism, but like all acts of

00:30:22.460 terrorism are also a form of

00:30:24.160 theater. They're a way of people

00:30:26.120 trying to draw attention to

00:30:27.480 themselves and to derive from

00:30:30.960 these acts a sense of

00:30:31.980 significance in their lives. And

00:30:34.720 it's right to understand these

00:30:36.240 things as terrorism, but the

00:30:37.720 point of terrorism is to change

00:30:40.140 how people think and feel and

00:30:43.020 act. You know, terrorism is

00:30:44.920 about beyond the actual act of

00:30:48.020 violence in question. It's a

00:30:49.300 larger cultural ramifications in

00:30:51.900 how it influences how people

00:30:53.200 conduct their lives. And that's

00:30:55.200 how I think these things need to

00:30:56.180 be understood.

00:30:58.020 Yeah, it strikes me as the,

00:31:00.940 because if your goal is to stop

00:31:02.540 mass shootings, you probably

00:31:04.280 don't have the right goal, right?

00:31:05.940 The goal should be to keep,

00:31:07.740 protect life in general as much

00:31:10.840 as you can. I think, you know,

00:31:12.480 the idea that we have a rising

00:31:14.700 incidence of mass shootings in an

00:31:19.200 in an environment where crime is

00:31:21.640 dropping and murder is dropping

00:31:24.320 is a highlight on what you're

00:31:27.760 talking about, is that it's

00:31:29.200 really seems to me to be the

00:31:30.640 attention people are seeking and

00:31:33.040 doing things in this way. And that

00:31:35.720 is, that plays, I think, to the way

00:31:38.500 the media covers these things. And it

00:31:40.200 certainly plays to the way people

00:31:42.240 are able to kind of enter small

00:31:44.600 tribes online and let the end, and

00:31:47.540 they sort of multiply the anger and

00:31:50.260 angst on top of each other. Does

00:31:51.680 that, does that make sense?

00:31:53.540 Yeah, you know, the biggest school

00:31:55.180 massacre in American history, I

00:31:57.360 think it's still the biggest one, was

00:31:58.560 the one that happened at Bath,

00:31:59.720 Michigan in the early, early part of

00:32:01.380 the 20th century that didn't involve

00:32:03.740 any firearms at all. It was dynamite

00:32:06.300 and bombs. And it was a fellow who was

00:32:09.200 a frustrated political candidate who

00:32:11.880 also had some debts and other

00:32:13.540 problems in life that he had

00:32:15.080 political ambitions that he was

00:32:16.580 unable to realize. And his, you

00:32:20.080 know, desperate act was a sense of a

00:32:22.000 way to try to draw attention to

00:32:23.500 himself and to show that he was

00:32:25.480 someone who mattered and who should

00:32:26.800 be thought about and who should be

00:32:28.180 considered when he was unable to get

00:32:30.420 that through politics. So part of the

00:32:32.800 alienation, I think, has to do with

00:32:34.360 some changes in the way we live, that

00:32:36.580 not all of us, but a lot of us move a

00:32:38.420 lot more than we used to. We change

00:32:40.260 employers a lot more than we used to

00:32:42.000 get married later in life. We put off

00:32:44.060 parenthood until later in life. There's

00:32:46.280 less church attendance. So the normal

00:32:49.160 ties and relationships that for a long

00:32:51.700 time gave people a sense of value and

00:32:53.500 meaning in their lives have been either

00:32:55.600 diminished or in some cases entirely

00:32:57.340 eliminated for people. And so they're

00:32:59.300 looking for new sources of relationship

00:33:01.020 and context and meaning. And

00:33:03.060 unfortunately, people have found these

00:33:04.780 on the Internet and on social media

00:33:06.660 in the worst kind of tribalistic

00:33:09.320 politics, whether it's the sort of us

00:33:12.220 and them version of Democrats and

00:33:14.100 Republicans, Team Red and Team Blue, or

00:33:16.600 some of the more extreme and in the end

00:33:18.900 homicidal political tendencies that you

00:33:21.580 see on some of the outlying corners of

00:33:24.080 the Internet.

00:33:25.620 You talk about the idea of how people

00:33:29.760 choose these these tribes, how do they

00:33:32.460 choose these these like groups that they

00:33:35.020 join? And I will say and I think I'm

00:33:37.560 completely wrong on this, but for a very

00:33:39.120 long time, I believed these tribes were

00:33:42.400 chosen essentially with

00:33:45.320 with I don't know in the moment sort of

00:33:48.800 objective cost benefit, right? Like you're

00:33:51.720 looking at policies that you like policies

00:33:53.360 that you don't like and you choose sort of

00:33:57.540 your group based on who agrees with you

00:33:59.800 more. You make the point in the book

00:34:01.360 that's not at all. That is not it at all,

00:34:03.120 is it?

00:34:04.120 I want it to be it, but it's not true.

00:34:05.940 These are underlying social identities.

00:34:07.980 People don't actually vote in a way that

00:34:10.320 has anything to do with their short term

00:34:12.380 or near term economic interest.

00:34:13.860 There's a lot of research on this.

00:34:16.040 And one of the best ways of predicting

00:34:17.860 someone's partisan identification is what

00:34:21.080 their parents was. People inherit these

00:34:23.060 social identities through their families.

00:34:24.860 And you see this, too, especially on in the

00:34:26.760 Northeast where you meet guys who are

00:34:28.760 bankers and and, you know, insurance

00:34:31.800 people and other people sort of

00:34:33.220 stereotypically think of as being

00:34:34.740 Republicans. And they're, you know,

00:34:36.300 lifelong Democrats. And you ask them why.

00:34:38.680 And nine times out of 10, the answer is

00:34:40.320 going to be something like, well, my dad

00:34:41.460 was in the union. We were all Democrats.

00:34:42.940 And that's and that's how it went.

00:34:44.260 And I think that's perfectly respectable.

00:34:45.880 It's a fine reason, as any, to get your

00:34:48.320 political identity. But that's that's it

00:34:50.540 doesn't come from self-interest.

00:34:52.020 It doesn't come from economic factors.

00:34:55.260 People often talk about this in a very

00:34:56.780 stupid way in the case of black voters, 0.99

00:34:59.220 because black voters tend to identify very

00:35:00.960 strongly with the Democratic Party.

00:35:02.340 And there's this idea that it's because of,

00:35:03.940 you know, the hope of welfare benefits and

00:35:05.720 that sort of thing.

00:35:06.700 But in truth, as African-Americans get 1.00

00:35:09.180 wealthier, as their incomes go up, they

00:35:11.020 become much more left wing.

00:35:13.100 Their preferences for redistribution,

00:35:15.400 for higher taxes, for welfare benefits and

00:35:17.600 things like that actually increase the less

00:35:19.860 likely they are to benefit from those.

00:35:22.740 And this is, you know, this is something

00:35:24.860 that's a matter of social identity and how

00:35:26.560 people understand their place in the world.

00:35:29.060 And it's about, well, here's what people

00:35:31.000 like me are like.

00:35:32.040 And but the more important part, of course,

00:35:33.400 is and here's what these other people are

00:35:34.960 like.

00:35:35.900 You know, a lot of it's based on just plain

00:35:37.260 opposition that, well, maybe I don't agree

00:35:39.520 with the Democrats on everything, but I grew

00:35:41.720 up really not liking these conservative

00:35:43.880 people I knew from church.

00:35:45.200 And they were very backward and they were 1.00

00:35:47.140 very judgmental.

00:35:48.180 And so I take my identity as being in

00:35:49.960 opposition to that.

00:35:51.860 That's where a lot of this stuff comes

00:35:53.240 from talking to Kevin Williamson, the

00:35:55.000 smallest minority, independent thinking

00:35:56.640 in the age of mob politics is the book.

00:35:59.200 There's something that politicians say

00:36:00.960 all the time and there's a word they use

00:36:02.480 all the time and it's never criticized

00:36:04.040 by anyone.

00:36:05.320 In fact, when you say it, it ends

00:36:06.900 arguments.

00:36:07.820 The word, of course, is democracy.

00:36:10.620 Your take on democracy is a little

00:36:13.000 different than the way I see it portrayed

00:36:15.200 in the media.

00:36:16.340 And I think it's the right way of looking

00:36:18.080 at it.

00:36:18.460 Can you kind of walk us through this?

00:36:20.580 Sure.

00:36:20.740 Yeah, I'm more with John Adams and those

00:36:23.100 guys on this.

00:36:23.880 They hated the idea of democracy as such.

00:36:26.280 Of course, they meant slightly different

00:36:27.400 things by it than we do.

00:36:29.140 So democracy is perfectly, not only fine,

00:36:32.020 but necessary as a procedural question.

00:36:34.180 It's how we make certain kinds of

00:36:35.360 decisions, how we choose representatives.

00:36:38.260 In some cases, it's how we make our voice

00:36:40.440 heard through reprimand and things like

00:36:42.220 that.

00:36:42.780 But the idea that something is right or

00:36:46.420 desirable or necessary, because 50% plus one

00:36:50.460 of the people believe that is nonsensical.

00:36:53.720 And the idea that something becomes more

00:36:55.080 valuable as it becomes more popular or

00:36:56.880 legitimate as it becomes more popular

00:36:58.400 is also nonsensical.

00:37:00.200 This is why we have things like written

00:37:02.780 laws and a Constitution and a Bill of

00:37:04.940 Rights.

00:37:05.400 You know, the Bill of Rights is the most

00:37:06.880 anti-democratic institution in American

00:37:08.880 life.

00:37:09.680 It's the list of 10 things you idiots don't

00:37:11.520 get to vote on.

00:37:12.560 This stuff is settled, which is going to, of

00:37:14.420 course, come up right now with the Second

00:37:15.700 Amendment, especially.

00:37:17.040 But we tend to attribute value to things

00:37:21.400 because they're popular.

00:37:23.440 And popularity certainly has certain kinds of

00:37:25.520 economic value.

00:37:26.640 You know, Taylor Swift's going to make a lot

00:37:27.920 more money than Johan Bach will this year.

00:37:30.860 She's going to sell a lot more music than he 0.99

00:37:32.640 will.

00:37:33.480 But that doesn't necessarily make it better or

00:37:35.840 more desirable or superior.

00:37:37.760 So democracy is one little part of something

00:37:40.960 that is more broadly known as liberalism.

00:37:43.160 Liberalism constitutes, you know, the rule of

00:37:45.060 law, individual rights, property, freedom of

00:37:48.340 speech, independent courts, all the rest of

00:37:49.940 these things that make a decent, civil, humane

00:37:53.140 government possible.

00:37:54.560 In some cases, the more democratic things get,

00:37:56.920 the worse they get.

00:37:57.580 And we see this in cases where you've got

00:38:00.720 democratic forms that are being led by these

00:38:04.420 populist demagogues.

00:38:05.540 And that's basically how Venezuela got into the

00:38:07.620 situation where it is right now.

00:38:09.780 We've seen things happen like that in countries

00:38:11.640 like India and Pakistan, and to a lesser extent

00:38:14.240 in the United States.

00:38:15.560 We've mostly been lucky on that front, but not

00:38:17.520 always.

00:38:18.800 You talk about the Second Amendment, and

00:38:19.780 certainly that's going to be coming up for

00:38:22.280 massive debate here in the next few days.

00:38:24.840 You also talk a lot about, in the book, about

00:38:26.420 the First Amendment.

00:38:27.360 And one of the phrases that you, again, another

00:38:31.360 conversation ender.

00:38:33.060 When you say, hey, look, you can't shout fire in a

00:38:36.040 crowded theater.

00:38:36.560 That's supposed to mean, well, whatever speech I'm

00:38:39.120 against at this moment is okay for me to censor.

00:38:43.100 Can you kind of go into that?

00:38:44.120 Why do people misunderstand what that means?

00:38:47.480 That one is one of the worst.

00:38:48.640 It's one of the dumbest cliches that's really

00:38:50.300 enabled a lot of repression.

00:38:53.080 So this came out of a Supreme Court argument in

00:38:56.680 which the court was trying to decide whether we could

00:38:59.220 lock up the head of the Socialist Party for

00:39:01.160 protesting World War I.

00:39:03.140 And the idea behind fire in a crowded theater

00:39:06.340 was, well, if this guy is allowed to speak this

00:39:08.760 way, people will riot.

00:39:11.000 There will be civil unrest.

00:39:13.720 And so essentially, this is Justice Holmes coming

00:39:17.380 up with a legal rationale for the heckler's veto

00:39:20.140 for saying that the problem isn't the speech.

00:39:23.120 The problem, or rather, the problem isn't the fact

00:39:25.320 that people are going to commit violence in reaction

00:39:27.580 to the speech, but the speech itself.

00:39:29.500 So it's a pretext for censoring things that we

00:39:31.960 don't want to hear because they're unpopular.

00:39:34.320 And this is a really interesting thing for where we

00:39:35.980 are as a country right now, because we've got really

00:39:37.720 good First Amendment jurisprudence right now,

00:39:39.680 thanks to some really, really good judicial

00:39:41.160 appointments.

00:39:41.720 The First Amendment legally has probably never been

00:39:44.060 in better shape.

00:39:45.120 But there's a cultural question there, too.

00:39:47.540 And these things feed on one another.

00:39:49.560 And so to the extent that we think of certain

00:39:51.700 ideas as being unutterable, as being outside of what

00:39:55.660 should be protected, then these things can

00:39:59.320 eventually be squeezed out of what's protected

00:40:01.840 by the First Amendment.

00:40:02.740 This is where the idea of hate speech comes in.

00:40:04.940 Well, we want to protect political speech unless

00:40:07.520 we really, really don't like it, in which case

00:40:09.300 we're going to call it something else, and it's

00:40:10.600 not protected.

00:40:11.680 And of course, the whole idea of the First Amendment

00:40:13.700 is to protect speech which is controversial and

00:40:16.740 unpopular and marginal.

00:40:18.220 Because if it weren't, it would need protection in

00:40:20.340 the first place because no one would be trying to

00:40:21.940 censor it. 0.50

00:40:22.920 So these things kind of feed off of one another.

00:40:24.740 What's considered culturally undoable is part of how

00:40:28.880 things get defined in places like Canada and Austria

00:40:32.120 and Germany, where they've got more invasive speech 0.67

00:40:35.400 rules than we have here in the United States, but also

00:40:37.400 how people here in the United States foresee a future

00:40:40.800 regime of which you've got hate speech laws, more controls

00:40:44.880 on political speech to what we euphemistically call campaign

00:40:47.800 finance law, and those sorts of things.

00:40:50.060 So they feed off of one another.

00:40:51.780 And that's an important thing, I think, to keep in mind

00:40:53.840 that any time you're putting something outside the realm

00:40:56.980 of what should be protected, that's what you're really

00:40:59.100 setting yourself up for is a future regime of censorship.

00:41:03.040 Does it worry you that they're already talking about

00:41:05.900 the DOJ looking into ways to partner with big tech firms

00:41:09.460 to crack down on this sort of speech?

00:41:13.240 I mean, nobody's going to stand up, I think, more than

00:41:16.300 conservatives to say white nationalism, especially as a

00:41:21.220 government ideology, which, you know, is just implied.

00:41:23.720 You have gigantic government to enforce these types of

00:41:26.180 things.

00:41:26.540 I mean, it's just totally against what conservatives want.

00:41:31.040 Absolutely fine.

00:41:31.920 We should all stand up against white supremacy and this

00:41:34.340 sort of speech.

00:41:35.240 But that's what the idea is.

00:41:36.400 When it comes to government trying to implement laws to

00:41:39.460 stop this, that is, I hate to use the slippery slope thing,

00:41:42.860 but it's terrifying.

00:41:44.460 Well, and the slope is slippery for reasons that people

00:41:47.140 don't understand.

00:41:47.900 You know, corporations like one-size-fit-all solutions.

00:41:50.780 They like to have uniformity and homogeneity.

00:41:53.860 And the problem with that is that companies like Facebook and

00:41:56.520 Google and Twitter and others are global.

00:41:59.600 They are international.

00:42:01.000 And it's tempting for them to take the most restrictive

00:42:03.900 standard and make that their default position, the same way that

00:42:07.000 California essentially sets automotive emissions rules for the

00:42:10.120 rest of the country.

00:42:10.760 So in places like Germany, Austria, much of Western Europe, but

00:42:15.320 also Singapore, China, and some other places, they have a whole

00:42:18.780 different culture about free speech, and they have a whole

00:42:20.780 different set of rules and assumptions.

00:42:22.740 Now, Western Europe is pretty liberal, and it's democratic, of

00:42:25.380 course, but they've also got rules about political speech and 0.60

00:42:28.840 certain kinds of political organizing.

00:42:30.400 I get into this extensively in the book.

00:42:32.720 They just simply wouldn't be acceptable in the United States or the

00:42:35.460 First Amendment.

00:42:35.960 They have a theory called militant democracy, and this is the idea

00:42:39.180 under which they ban certain kinds of political speech.

00:42:41.920 They prohibit certain kinds of political parties.

00:42:44.400 You know, in Austria, you can theoretically go to prison for 25

00:42:46.880 years for selling someone a copy of Mein Kampf.

00:42:50.100 Now, I don't think Mein Kampf is a great book.

00:42:52.360 I don't want to lock people up for reading it either.

00:42:55.160 And in the United States, we think of these things as being crazy,

00:42:58.860 and we wouldn't accept that.

00:43:00.080 But these are not crazy, uncivilized countries.

00:43:03.000 This is Western Europe we're talking about.

00:43:04.640 Yeah, Kevin, we're up against a break here.

00:43:06.820 We've got to call it here.

00:43:07.980 But the smallest minority, independent thinking in the age of

00:43:10.620 mob politics, much better than Mein Kampf.

00:43:12.800 I can tell you that right now.

00:43:14.120 You can get it in bookstores everywhere.

00:43:15.580 Kevin, thanks for being on the program.

00:43:17.220 Thanks so much.

00:43:20.540 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:43:22.480 A real thing going on with the media, where they quoted this one line,

00:43:37.040 if we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable

00:43:41.160 from the manifesto of this maniac.

00:43:44.760 What they did not include is what the context of that was.

00:43:47.240 It had nothing to do with white supremacism.

00:43:48.900 It had to do with the environment.

00:43:51.460 Very clearly talked about the environment, how corporations are shamelessly over-harvesting

00:43:57.560 resources, talking about watersheds around the country being depleted, talked about water

00:44:04.140 being polluted from oil drilling operations, talked about consumer culture creating tons of

00:44:11.320 unnecessary plastic waste, all of these things, left-wing things, that were just not,

00:44:18.200 just left out of the conversation.

00:44:21.260 But I don't think that's how most people take this stuff in.

00:44:23.560 I think the way that this hits most people, certainly, thankfully, not the violence,

00:44:26.880 because our violence, our rates of crime are way down.

00:44:31.580 But I think where this hits most people is in their daily lives on social media.

00:44:35.340 Because you're getting hit with all these arguments.

00:44:37.780 We went over a bunch of them this hour already.

00:44:40.820 But you're getting in fights with all your friends over guns.

00:44:43.880 And no better person to talk to this about is probably the greatest booking of my life.

00:44:48.960 If there's ever a guest that I've booked on this program that I would marry, it's this one.

00:44:54.220 My wife, Lisa Page, joins us here on the program.

00:44:56.700 And the reason you join us, of course, Lisa, is because you get in these fights all the time on Facebook.

00:45:03.820 And I don't understand it at all.

00:45:07.320 I know.

00:45:07.940 And here you are posting what you believe to be the right thing.

00:45:11.140 And your friends all can't help themselves, but they jump into your feed.

00:45:15.120 Yes.

00:45:16.420 So, you know, when something like this, a tragedy like this happens,

00:45:21.700 I actually don't jump to Facebook to comment.

00:45:25.620 I really don't.

00:45:26.660 I try and keep my opinions to myself.

00:45:29.480 But yesterday, I could not help myself.

00:45:32.940 And I really posted because I was really sick and tired of reading everybody else's opinions.

00:45:40.900 Now, when some of my friends that disagree with my opinion or my view on what's going on,

00:45:47.180 they're very quick to come at me.

00:45:49.160 They do.

00:45:49.980 I don't normally reciprocate because I cherish our friendship.

00:45:53.820 I usually stay quiet.

00:45:56.180 I stand down.

00:45:57.120 I don't say a lot.

00:45:58.100 In my head, I'm raging.

00:45:59.600 But I'm not going to let anybody know about that.

00:46:01.400 But yesterday, I don't even think what I posted on my personal page because I rarely do this on my radio page or other things.

00:46:10.480 If you don't know, Lisa Page, a much bigger national radio personality than myself or Glenn Beck.

00:46:15.940 I have a number one show across the country.

00:46:17.400 She does.

00:46:17.960 A very big show.

00:46:19.080 It's huge.

00:46:19.380 But it's not a political show.

00:46:20.720 So you don't normally do that type of thing.

00:46:21.920 And I would die.

00:46:22.600 I would never do that.

00:46:23.600 This is why you do this and I do what I do.

00:46:25.620 I cover pop culture.

00:46:27.040 You cover the political side of things.

00:46:29.080 But I don't even think what I posted on my personal page yesterday was insensitive.

00:46:35.100 It wasn't offensive.

00:46:36.660 It was just me saying, listen, guys, there's only so much we can do.

00:46:40.980 You can sit here and you can ask why, why, why, but we can't do much more than to support, to donate, to get involved.

00:46:51.660 But as far as voting, we've heard this over and over and over and over again.

00:46:58.580 There's always going to be someone who decides they're going to do something terrible.

00:47:02.340 And whether it's guns or as we saw in France, for example, someone decided to drive their truck over a bunch of people at a festival.

00:47:09.040 Did they feel better about that?

00:47:10.320 Was that an improvement for their families that they didn't get shot?

00:47:13.440 They only got run over?

00:47:14.740 And it was more people dying.

00:47:16.820 It was more than triple the amount of people who died in this past weekend's attacks.

00:47:22.040 This is going to happen either way.

00:47:24.440 Bad people do bad things.

00:47:25.640 That was basically the tone of your post.

00:47:27.220 I was like, you cannot stop killings.

00:47:29.820 A gun does not fire itself.

00:47:32.200 The person behind the gun fires the gun.

00:47:34.560 And, you know, like I said in one of the, I was, I was going back and forth with one of my friends about mental illness.

00:47:40.760 And, you know, she's saying, well, not all the cases are.

00:47:43.740 It's not all about mental illness.

00:47:45.120 Well, maybe because a lot of these guys that have been, you know, committing all these mass murders, they didn't maybe check out.

00:47:52.860 There wasn't a red flag.

00:47:53.620 And, like, if you watch any of the morning shows this morning, they had a lot of specialists on saying that there, at some level, there is a mental, there's something wrong in their head.

00:48:02.840 Listen, anybody that wants to go in to a place with the intention of murdering hundreds of people or a handful of people, you're, something's not right in your head.

00:48:12.480 So you can classify it as, well, no, but he didn't check out as, he wasn't mentally unstable.

00:48:17.580 He was able to get this firearm.

00:48:18.860 He got it like, well, people are going to kill if they want to kill.

00:48:21.360 They're going to find a way.

00:48:22.260 They're going to find a way.

00:48:23.540 And they have with all sorts of different things when it comes to whether it's, you know, poisoning people or bombing people or running people over or stabbing people.

00:48:30.380 There's always something there.

00:48:32.100 There's always a way for them to do it.

00:48:33.660 But we were saying yesterday, Stu and I were talking, and we're like, you know, every day in the country, there are people that are getting huge car wrecks.

00:48:41.720 And 10 in 12 people are dying at once.

00:48:44.340 Where's the outrage there?

00:48:45.360 Where's the outrage for the drunk driver that hit somebody over the weekend and killed 12 people?

00:48:48.860 Where's the outrage?

00:48:49.920 I don't hear about it.

00:48:50.640 Yeah, because there's not a political advantage.

00:48:52.260 No, right.

00:48:52.800 My Cory Booker doesn't get to get a couple more donations if he comes out and talks about car accidents.

00:48:56.720 Yeah.

00:48:57.100 But it's like, it's an interesting part of this.

00:48:58.780 And that's a great point.

00:49:00.380 When you have a situation where there's political divides, the most difficult road to solve a situation like that is to attack the place where most people disagree.

00:49:09.780 Right.

00:49:10.160 Right.

00:49:10.380 So if you want to keep – if your goal is to stop mass shootings, well, that's not the right goal.

00:49:14.980 The goal should be to keep people alive.

00:49:16.660 Right.

00:49:17.020 Right.

00:49:17.660 So, you know, you talked about car accidents.

00:49:19.680 Well, these things do happen all the time.

00:49:21.580 There are – automated cars, the whole self-driving car things.

00:49:24.860 They estimate that that would wipe out 94% of deaths.

00:49:29.400 94% of deaths.

00:49:30.580 We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people that would be alive instead of dead over a decade.

00:49:36.000 Right.

00:49:36.180 If that were to come to fruition.

00:49:38.640 There's no political opposition to it.

00:49:40.820 Right.

00:49:40.940 There's not like Republicans like it and Democrats don't.

00:49:43.300 But that's – so there's no fun.

00:49:44.280 Yeah.

00:49:44.780 There's no point.

00:49:45.500 There's no point.

00:49:45.700 In saving those lives.

00:49:46.380 Right.

00:49:46.540 There's no point arguing.

00:49:48.380 You know, and I will say that it's not everybody that I know.

00:49:53.860 It's a few people.

00:49:54.660 But, you know, a couple of my friends genuinely want to know.

00:49:58.820 Right.

00:49:59.040 Like, I have one friend, and we've been friends for almost 20 years, and she genuinely wants

00:50:04.400 to know why people like guns or why, you know, like –

00:50:09.220 Yeah.

00:50:09.380 She's very left but tries to understand the arguments from the other side.

00:50:11.900 Yeah, and she really does try. 1.00

00:50:12.780 And –

00:50:13.540 That's infrequent, though.

00:50:14.520 I will say, on Facebook, right, it's people just stating whatever their preconceived notion

00:50:20.360 is about the topic.

00:50:21.020 Right, right, right.

00:50:21.500 And I will state my opinion, and they just keep coming back.

00:50:25.100 And at some point, you just have to – you got to just end the argument.

00:50:28.580 I mean, this is why yesterday will probably be the first and maybe the last time I even

00:50:33.640 express my political opinion about it because it's not worth getting in fights and getting

00:50:38.800 frustrated and causing conflict with your friends.

00:50:41.300 Y'all know where I stand.

00:50:42.720 If you are a friend on my personal page, you know – you know where I'm coming from.

00:50:47.860 Right.

00:50:47.960 You know what I believe.

00:50:48.800 You know – so lay off.

00:50:51.120 Lay off me for a minute, okay?

00:50:53.580 Because this is – you've brought this up before, and I think this is a really interesting

00:50:56.060 point.

00:50:56.600 If people know where you stand, why bother – if you're friends, why bother jumping in there

00:51:02.460 when you know how it ends?

00:51:03.420 Well, I guess because I feel like I would get support from my friends.

00:51:08.460 Okay.

00:51:08.760 I feel like maybe – because most of our friends – most of my friends are like-minded

00:51:13.660 like me.

00:51:14.120 Our kids go to a school where many of the parents – we're all kind of in the same

00:51:18.160 boat.

00:51:18.580 We all think the same way.

00:51:20.020 We all believe the same things.

00:51:21.940 And I think my intention was, well, I'm just going to put this out there because I am

00:51:25.840 going to – I know I'm going to get support from my friends.

00:51:27.380 And I did.

00:51:27.880 I got a lot.

00:51:28.940 I mean, we're up to almost 70 comments.

00:51:30.680 But then there's a couple people back and forth, back and forth, back, and then our

00:51:33.940 neighbors are getting involved.

00:51:34.840 And now – last night I went to bed, and I'm like, I'm not – I'm glad I am not

00:51:38.640 involved anymore.

00:51:39.600 These – all these four can hash it out.

00:51:42.060 But it really is like social media.

00:51:44.340 It's hard because you do – it's social media.

00:51:47.020 Everybody's on it.

00:51:48.040 So you kind of have to bring it up.

00:51:49.960 And I mean, thankfully, my show is not a political show, so I make no mention of it

00:51:54.000 because it's not my place.

00:51:55.420 But it's funny.

00:51:56.860 You enter the debate the same way we do in political circles.

00:52:00.320 And I think this happens to everybody.

00:52:01.900 This debate starts working – you know, playing out on your Facebook page.

00:52:05.300 Right.

00:52:05.500 You have strong feelings about it.

00:52:07.020 Whoever your friend is has strong feelings about it.

00:52:09.460 And you're – I know what it feels like.

00:52:11.600 Like, your stomach's tight.

00:52:13.860 You're raging.

00:52:14.760 You just want to respond.

00:52:16.020 You want to find the perfect thing that's going to shut them down.

00:52:17.800 Literally.

00:52:17.860 I want to punch a wall.

00:52:18.720 Right.

00:52:19.400 I'm literally – I'm not a drinker.

00:52:20.940 I want it to do 700 shots yesterday.

00:52:23.300 Just get wasted.

00:52:24.580 But it's true.

00:52:25.680 And, like, I don't know.

00:52:26.780 Like, in the end of the day, you never solve a debate when you feel like that.

00:52:32.440 But it kind of puts you in that same position of, like, hosting – you know, you're obviously

00:52:37.040 in media, but, like, not everybody is.

00:52:38.960 And so you're in that circle where, like, you are now in front of all your friends, arguing

00:52:44.040 back and forth, looking for that, like, sort of mic drop moment to win this debate.

00:52:47.440 That never comes.

00:52:48.220 No.

00:52:49.140 I mean, because you know why you have the people that want to just keep coming back

00:52:52.760 with you to stats and stats and stats.

00:52:54.600 Really, what I should have did was plop up my laptop right next to you and said, just

00:52:57.720 tell me what to write now.

00:52:58.840 I don't know what to say.

00:52:59.560 I'm out of all it.

00:53:00.500 But honestly, like, it is – it's one of those things where you – it's hard to not

00:53:05.140 – it's hard to not stay quiet about it.

00:53:07.320 Because especially when topics like this arise, like, I get very heated, as you know.

00:53:11.560 I get passionate.

00:53:12.300 And a lot of times, Stu will say, just get off of Facebook.

00:53:16.580 Stop going back and forth.

00:53:18.720 And, you know, ironically, like, a lot of these conversations we'll have.

00:53:21.560 And then, like, five minutes later, I'm just on the phone texting with a friend that I

00:53:24.420 was just sort of kind of having a – maybe a little bit of an argument.

00:53:27.340 And we're talking about, you know, what are you wearing tomorrow?

00:53:31.060 Did you see the show?

00:53:31.900 Are you watching?

00:53:32.520 You know, did you get your – so it's very – you know, it's confusing.

00:53:37.280 It's hard to not address, but also you want to not address it, but –

00:53:41.760 Well, you don't want to get in the middle of it, but it's also, like, you don't want

00:53:43.920 to cede the ground, right?

00:53:45.260 These are important issues.

00:53:46.480 You feel passionately about them, obviously.

00:53:48.440 Like, to just eliminate the debate and take yourself out of it is not the right answer

00:53:52.180 either.

00:53:52.360 I think my favorite, actually, moment of this was – I think at one point you posted something

00:53:56.360 on Instagram.

00:53:57.840 And, you know, you're in the middle and someone made some anti-gun comment and all of a sudden

00:54:02.160 in your feed pops up Dana Lash. 0.99

00:54:04.280 Yeah.

00:54:04.520 And it's like, can you imagine the mismatch which is going on right now?

00:54:07.480 You have Dana Lash who's, like, written multiple bestsellers.

00:54:11.180 And she's a good friend of mine.

00:54:12.320 And she's a good friend of ours, yeah.

00:54:13.460 So don't – yeah.

00:54:13.880 And this poor person who thinks they're going to win this debate is now arguing against

00:54:19.080 Dana Lash.

00:54:19.900 I know.

00:54:20.200 Oh, this is horrible.

00:54:21.700 Yeah.

00:54:22.100 So, well, I like – are you still friends with these people?

00:54:25.580 Are you still –

00:54:26.040 Yes.

00:54:26.620 I am –

00:54:27.200 Everything worked out okay?

00:54:28.100 I am very good friends.

00:54:28.420 Very good friends.

00:54:29.120 And we will just have to always continue to agree to disagree on a lot of these things.

00:54:33.400 Thank you.

00:54:33.920 And Lisa Page, of course.

00:54:35.360 Now, first of all, I've heard all the jokes.

00:54:37.120 Yes, I know I married up.

00:54:39.120 Yes, the purses are still in the Liberty Safe.

00:54:40.700 The purses are still in the Liberty Safe.

00:54:42.220 That's always a topic.

00:54:42.880 I didn't threaten you at the beginning of this relationship.

00:54:44.920 Can you confirm that on the record?

00:54:46.120 No, you never threatened.

00:54:46.900 Thank you.

00:54:47.600 No.

00:54:48.160 I didn't bribe anybody.

00:54:50.180 No.

00:54:50.240 Well, maybe a little bit.

00:54:51.020 And a purse contract.

00:54:51.700 There we go.

00:54:52.840 Lisa Page, she has a radio show.

00:54:54.760 Also, a new podcast as well.

00:54:56.100 Oh, yeah.

00:54:56.440 Lisa Page made me do it.

00:54:57.720 Lisa Page made me do it.

00:54:58.480 So if you are a guy –

00:54:59.600 We will not be talking political stuff.

00:55:01.560 No.

00:55:01.820 No politics.

00:55:02.800 Nothing on politics.

00:55:03.540 If you're a guy who wants to figure out good presents for your wife, I would recommend

00:55:07.580 this highly and as well as following her.

00:55:09.620 And if you're a lady or you happen to identify today as a lady and you like –

00:55:16.040 Equal rights.

00:55:16.440 All the – you know, whatever products or whatever you're spending, you know, 90% of

00:55:19.820 all of our money on, you can go to Lisa Page made me do it as a podcast.

00:55:23.520 You can check that out.

00:55:24.520 Lisa, thank you so much.

00:55:26.560 Thank you.

00:55:27.100 I appreciate it.

00:55:27.860 And hopefully you can keep your friends here for the next few days at least.

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The Glenn Beck Program - August 05, 2019

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