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00:00:15.120 We spent some time with KT McFarland as well.

00:00:17.320 You might remember her from Fox and the Trump administration.

00:00:19.860 She's talking about Michael Flynn and everything that's going on with the FBI

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00:01:31.140 You know, I, last night I, I went back and I read a couple of speeches and, you know,

00:01:51.620 maybe tomorrow we're going to go through them.

00:01:53.520 But I read the 1981 first inaugural speech of Ronald Reagan.

00:02:00.240 And then I read the 33 first inaugural speech from FDR.

00:02:04.500 That's the famous one.

00:02:05.520 We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.

00:02:07.940 And both of them have something in common.

00:02:12.540 They're uniquely different.

00:02:15.100 FDR just talks about the corruption and how the government needs to, you know,

00:02:20.640 get involved in control things where Ronald Reagan said the exact opposite.

00:02:25.720 But they both talked about fear.

00:02:27.820 The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

00:02:31.080 Now, he wasn't talking about the fear of a distant enemy.

00:02:35.900 He was talking about the fear that we had, that we would never be the same, that we would never recover.

00:02:42.400 Okay.

00:02:42.960 So this is the thing that we really need to conquer here.

00:02:47.120 And this COVID-19 talk is not helping us.

00:02:52.480 I mean, I read stories every single day, all the time, that say, you know, we should be in for the next year.

00:02:59.980 We should be in for the next two years.

00:03:03.260 Well, you know, airplane travel is a thing of the past.

00:03:06.660 We're not going back to the skies. 0.94

00:03:09.180 What are you, crazy? 0.98

00:03:10.200 Let me flip this around. 0.92

00:03:12.740 You know, one of my favorite stories today is Tom Cruise and Elon Musk are in talks right now to shoot the first movie in space.

00:03:21.980 Thank you.

00:03:23.520 That's who we are.

00:03:25.040 That's who we are.

00:03:26.200 And I spend 10 minutes just thinking only Tom Cruise, only Tom Cruise.

00:03:30.380 And he could be sucked out of an airlock and he'd be like, no, I got to do it myself.

00:03:35.800 No stunt double.

00:03:37.280 You just want me to open my helmet shield outside?

00:03:40.300 Okay, I'll give it a shot.

00:03:42.140 Let's get it in one take.

00:03:44.000 That's who we are.

00:03:45.940 We're explorers.

00:03:48.040 We are not people that sit around on our hands.

00:03:50.840 And that is one, just one of the problems that is currently happening in the United States.

00:03:56.900 First of all, we've got to get rid of the fear.

00:04:02.000 What happened in 2008?

00:04:04.640 In 2008, we had the fear that the entire thing is going to be shut down.

00:04:08.320 And so what did we do?

00:04:09.240 We ran the tarp.

00:04:10.680 Huge mistake.

00:04:11.920 Huge mistake.

00:04:12.820 What did we do after 9-11?

00:04:15.880 We were fearful.

00:04:17.580 So we ran immediately to the government and got the Patriot Act.

00:04:20.940 Huge mistake.

00:04:22.420 Can we stop repeating the pattern?

00:04:24.600 We've got to stop repeating the pattern.

00:04:29.700 And the pattern is the government takes more control because you have fear and you want someone to protect you.

00:04:39.660 Now, I want to play this audio from Nancy Pelosi, who was talking with CNN and Wolf Blitzer.

00:04:47.880 Wolfie was on to talk about some tax cuts, a payroll tax cut.

00:04:53.600 Everyone would get a payroll tax cut.

00:04:57.420 The reason why a lot of people in Washington don't want a payroll tax cut is because once you see how much you are actually making and earning every single month,

00:05:08.240 trying to get that baby and that genie back into the bottle is going to be really difficult.

00:05:13.940 But that's not why Nancy Pelosi doesn't want it.

00:05:18.940 Here she is trying to explain.

00:05:20.760 Listen.

00:05:21.360 Is a payroll tax cut okay from your point of view or is it a non-starter?

00:05:25.980 No, it is not.

00:05:26.480 And if it is a non-starter, Madam Speaker, why is a payroll tax cut a non-starter?

00:05:30.520 First of all, this is all to be related to the coronavirus.

00:05:35.700 We have enormous, enormous costs.

00:05:38.580 Much of it incurred because the president was in denial early on.

00:05:42.560 Yes, okay.

00:05:42.900 So we got to blame Trump down.

00:05:44.020 Delayed a reaction to it.

00:05:44.780 Caused deaths.

00:05:45.820 But what's wrong with the payroll tax?

00:05:47.320 We have $500 billion for state, $250, maybe $300 billion for local.

00:05:58.040 This is a way for us to address the situation.

00:06:04.800 There are other things, direct payment, unemployment insurance, issues like PPP.

00:06:10.520 There's a great deal of money that is being put out there.

00:06:14.980 Ah, okay.

00:06:16.460 Okay, so let me ask you something.

00:06:21.900 Stu.

00:06:24.100 Yes.

00:06:24.720 If I had a shovel and we were out digging a ditch and I was holding a shovel, how much

00:06:32.580 sense would it make if we were really in a crisis and we really needed to get things

00:06:36.880 done to hire someone to take my shovel, cut a little bit of the handle off of that shovel,

00:06:46.460 then give it to you, you cut a little bit of the handle off and then hand it back to

00:06:54.540 me.

00:06:57.100 Does that make any sense at all?

00:06:58.460 It seems suboptimal.

00:07:00.100 Go ahead.

00:07:00.900 Yeah, it does.

00:07:01.720 Okay.

00:07:01.940 We all have the shovel.

00:07:03.460 We all have the money that they're trying to give us.

00:07:06.280 Okay.

00:07:06.740 They're taking it from us, taking a little bit out, giving it to somebody else who will

00:07:11.360 also take a little bit out and then handing it back to us.

00:07:14.220 What the hell is that?

00:07:15.900 That didn't make sense.

00:07:17.100 You know what that does?

00:07:18.020 That diminishes your dollar.

00:07:21.040 It diminishes what you have and it gives the power to the people that we have to look 0.98

00:07:26.860 at and go, can we just get our damn shovel back, please? 0.98

00:07:30.400 It empowers them. 0.99

00:07:32.320 And it gives them the opportunity to take the piece of the handle that they've taken

00:07:36.900 from our shovel and give it to some other random ditch digger somewhere else. 0.99

00:07:41.540 They get to redistribute it to whatever design they're going for and then say, I'm going

00:07:47.920 to give that to these other people here who have no shovels and then they'll give them 0.55

00:07:52.340 that piece of the handle that is not a shovel.

00:07:55.240 It's just a piece of a handle and say, you know why you don't have a shovel?

00:07:58.340 Because these people over here are all hoarding the shovels.

00:08:01.680 It doesn't make any sense.

00:08:03.880 No sense.

00:08:06.220 Fear makes us do these things.

00:08:09.360 Fear.

00:08:09.720 Fear and wanting somebody in charge.

00:08:13.020 Well, you're in charge.

00:08:14.520 Welcome to America.

00:08:16.280 You're in charge.

00:08:18.760 That's the way it's supposed to be.

00:08:21.780 Now, let's go back 2008.

00:08:23.900 What happened?

00:08:24.940 Well, we let somebody else be in charge.

00:08:27.840 Take the shovel.

00:08:29.040 They took our shovel.

00:08:30.300 They cut about half the handle off and said, we're going to help people.

00:08:33.680 They gave that half and many of the shovels to the banking system.

00:08:40.020 And said, OK, now it's fixed.

00:08:41.500 Now they're not afraid.

00:08:42.680 Well, no, they were afraid because we no longer had shovels.

00:08:47.660 So they were like, I can't give this person a loan.

00:08:49.860 How's he going to make any money?

00:08:50.980 He doesn't have a job.

00:08:52.180 You know, he doesn't have a shovel.

00:08:55.200 Oh, OK.

00:08:56.000 So what did they do?

00:08:58.560 Because of their fear of us, they were like, you know what?

00:09:02.540 I'd rather invest this money someplace else.

00:09:04.660 I know I'm going to make it a little harder to get loans.

00:09:07.240 OK.

00:09:07.980 OK.

00:09:08.580 All right.

00:09:09.020 Now, since this bailout, Chase is now requiring a credit score of at least 700 for all new home loans.

00:09:20.400 They're one of the financial institutions also now requiring at least 20 percent down.

00:09:26.220 So you have to have a credit score of 700 and at least 20 percent down.

00:09:32.780 OK.

00:09:33.180 Well, maybe maybe that's what we should have been the whole time.

00:09:36.600 I don't know.

00:09:37.640 I know that because of the government who wants to give pieces of shovels to everybody, they've made it really easy to get loans.

00:09:46.300 And so what happens?

00:09:47.400 You make it too easy.

00:09:48.520 Oh, you don't need any ID.

00:09:50.160 You don't even need a job.

00:09:52.180 You want a house?

00:09:53.740 Here.

00:09:54.380 Here's one in Beverly Hills.

00:09:56.500 OK.

00:09:57.260 Well, that doesn't make any sense.

00:10:00.840 Now, Chase.

00:10:03.980 Didn't disclose the previous down payments, but records show it used to be about six percent down, so you could put six percent down. 0.83

00:10:15.580 Well, that's ridiculous. 0.95

00:10:17.400 That's ridiculous. 0.93

00:10:18.060 I remember when 10 percent loans, you know, where you had to put 10 percent down, that was a good deal.

00:10:25.200 Twenty percent was usual.

00:10:26.920 I think when I was growing up, it may have been 30 percent.

00:10:30.300 So the home that you have purchased or the mortgage that you have or the loan, would you have been approved under the new Chase standards?

00:10:39.000 No.

00:10:40.160 And Chase isn't the only one.

00:10:41.720 Everybody's doing this.

00:10:42.960 Why?

00:10:43.360 Because they are afraid that you're not going to have a job.

00:10:50.680 They're going to be stuck with a bill.

00:10:52.920 OK.

00:10:53.860 All right.

00:10:55.360 Equity homes or equity loans are getting even harder to get.

00:10:58.880 Now.

00:11:02.160 This is going to have a dramatic impact on the U.S.

00:11:06.340 economy because not only are the consolidation loans, but credit cards are getting harder to get.

00:11:14.460 They're lowering the limits now on what you can spend.

00:11:18.280 They're upping the interest rates and they're canceling some cards.

00:11:22.380 Some cards are just being canceled without any notice.

00:11:24.720 They're just canceling them.

00:11:26.720 All right.

00:11:27.420 Well, that's a problem because we're a consumer driven economy.

00:11:30.980 Remember, we don't create anything.

00:11:32.760 We're the buyers of everything as designed not by you, not by me, but by our government.

00:11:41.580 So when we open up the economy, how fast are you going to a concert?

00:11:46.480 How fast are you going to a crowded, crowded restaurant?

00:11:52.240 And why?

00:11:54.080 Why?

00:11:54.800 What is the coronavirus like in your town?

00:11:57.460 What is the coronavirus like in your state?

00:12:01.200 If you're living in New York, I get it.

00:12:03.460 If you're living in New York City, I get it.

00:12:07.280 But if you're living someplace in the middle of the country, why can you imagine?

00:12:13.160 Can you imagine if.

00:12:16.120 If the coronavirus would have killed, you know, 20 percent of the population of Des Moines, Iowa.

00:12:23.720 Do you think that New York City would be closed?

00:12:29.040 Do you think New York City would have closed everything because there was a pandemic in Des Moines, Iowa?

00:12:35.500 No.

00:12:36.360 So why is Des Moines, Iowa closed?

00:12:38.700 Because there's a massive pandemic in New York.

00:12:42.960 New York would not have closed for a pandemic in any small town in America.

00:12:48.620 It could have wiped everybody out in Lubbock, Texas, and they still would be open today.

00:12:55.700 So why is it reversed?

00:12:58.120 Why is it reversed?

00:13:00.120 Why are we closing all of America down?

00:13:02.920 Why don't we have any kind of of local control when people are struggling?

00:13:13.560 They're opening now in California, willing to go to jail because they're like, I'm going to be jail is better than living under a bridge.

00:13:22.140 And you know, it's crazy.

00:13:24.060 All of these states are opening up their jails.

00:13:26.920 Did you hear in California, the guy who was arrested three times, three times yesterday, he was arrested.

00:13:32.140 Three times, you're three, three times, you're right.

00:13:35.280 Three strikes, you're out in that California.

00:13:37.620 No, not anymore.

00:13:38.740 Guy was arrested yesterday three times.

00:13:42.520 But because they decided that no bail, they took him to the station house.

00:13:47.000 He went out.

00:13:47.700 He committed another crime.

00:13:48.960 They caught him.

00:13:49.440 He took him to the station house.

00:13:50.560 He got out.

00:13:51.400 He committed another crime.

00:13:53.840 He took him to the station house.

00:13:56.880 He got out.

00:13:58.380 Well.

00:13:58.860 So we're taking people who are just trying to stay in business and we are taking them and throwing them in jail.

00:14:08.560 A jail where they say the Corona virus is rampant.

00:14:12.820 So we have to let all these criminals out.

00:14:15.620 And you're taking people who aren't criminals who are just trying to survive and you're putting them in jail.

00:14:20.220 When did the world go mad?

00:14:22.400 And when did America forget the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?

00:14:30.240 When did America forget who we are?

00:14:34.200 That we are the people that went to the moon.

00:14:37.560 We are the people that cross the Rocky Mountains.

00:14:39.960 If you've never driven across the Rocky Mountains, you must do it.

00:14:44.200 You must do it.

00:14:45.100 You're probably going to do it because God only knows when the airlines are going to open up again.

00:14:48.900 And God only knows when people are going to be willing to get onto a flight again.

00:14:52.900 But cross the Rocky Mountains because my son and I did it last summer.

00:14:57.420 And we drove and we drove and we joked the entire way.

00:15:01.600 So if you were a pioneer and you didn't know how far this mountain range was going or what was on the other side, even tell me where you'd stop.

00:15:10.500 We both said Denver.

00:15:12.680 That's as far.

00:15:13.780 Actually, I said the Missouri River, but we didn't drive over the Missouri River.

00:15:17.960 I would have looked at the river and went, have fun, guys.

00:15:21.360 If I would have crossed the Missouri River, I definitely would have stopped at Denver.

00:15:25.680 Nice place.

00:15:27.200 Look at the mountain.

00:15:28.400 No, I don't think so.

00:15:30.460 Then if you decided to go up to over the mountain, you get to the first peak to where you think, oh, man, I just got to get over this peak.

00:15:37.880 Then you see a sea of peaks.

00:15:40.040 Then you're like, I would if that's the place, I would have killed the guy who convinced me to go over the mountain because now it's too late.

00:15:47.900 That's who we are.

00:15:49.440 Not the me's. 0.77

00:15:50.980 The ones who actually crossed it.

00:15:52.980 We need to convince our leadership to sit down, shut up while the people lead.

00:16:03.280 Because we're not afraid.

00:16:07.960 And quite honestly, they're not afraid of us.

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00:17:31.300 She was an aide to Henry Kissinger on the National Security Council.

00:17:35.140 She has won the Defense Department's highest civilian honor.

00:17:40.560 She has received the Distinguished Service Award.

00:17:44.360 She's an alumni of George Washington University, Oxford, and MIT.

00:17:51.920 She is kind of credible.

00:17:54.580 She was one of the most prominent conservative foreign policy experts out there.

00:18:04.560 She was on Fox for years and years and years.

00:18:06.840 She was President Trump's first deputy national security advisor and helped Trump turn many of his campaign promises into foreign policy and actually get things done.

00:18:18.720 Well, she was working with General Flynn and the FBI came in and took General Flynn out.

00:18:28.740 He pleaded guilty.

00:18:31.040 The FBI questioned her.

00:18:32.600 There was nothing wrong with her, but she has been so discredited.

00:18:36.420 It is awful what has happened.

00:18:39.460 And America needs to hear the story, especially now with General Flynn, because we now have things coming out and being released that nobody seems to be paying attention to that really calls into question whether we can trust our intelligence and national security.

00:18:58.400 When it when it comes to the Justice Department, what they're what they are finding out about Russia, can we trust any of this?

00:19:11.060 Katie McFarlane is here now with us.

00:19:12.640 Hi, Katie.

00:19:13.920 Hi, Glenn.

00:19:14.780 It's great to be with you.

00:19:17.320 So I want to start with this.

00:19:19.760 You just wrote an editorial.

00:19:22.420 The last thing National Security Advisor Michael Flynn said to me when he left our West Wing office for the very last time was laced with irony.

00:19:31.740 You know, I joined the military to fight the Russians.

00:19:36.840 You are you were there and he he made a deal with the government, but he shouldn't have made the deal with the government, should he?

00:19:49.280 No, no.

00:19:50.780 And but the problem is that they blackmail people.

00:19:53.840 I didn't realize when they came to me to try to set me up that they had conducted themselves the same way with General Flynn.

00:20:01.040 I mean, his lawyers, my lawyers said, you know, I couldn't talk to Flynn.

00:20:04.320 So I was operating and flying blind.

00:20:06.580 But it turns out now with the stories that have come out and I write about it at great length in my book of the tactics that the FBI was doing exactly the same thing to him.

00:20:15.460 Show up at the office.

00:20:16.960 In my case, they showed up at my home without warning and then said, well, you know, don't you want to help us find out what the Russians did?

00:20:24.700 And I said, yeah, sure.

00:20:25.620 More than anybody.

00:20:26.460 I want to find out what the Russians did and make sure they can't do it again. 0.99

00:20:30.220 And so then I said, well, do I need a lawyer?

00:20:32.960 Flynn, they did the same thing to Flynn.

00:20:35.000 Well, the implication was you don't really need a lawyer.

00:20:38.120 When I asked them directly, they said, we can't tell you not to get a lawyer, but we're just here to ask you some questions, to get some context of what went on, yada, yada, yada.

00:20:48.640 And then it turns out that they had seized all of my government records, which by law I had turned over to the government when I left.

00:20:56.100 My cell phone logs, text messages, emails, everything.

00:21:00.620 They had done the same to Flynn.

00:21:02.460 And then they kept them.

00:21:04.180 They controlled what I was able to see and they cherry picked what they wanted.

00:21:07.780 And in most cases, they showed me things out of context or they'll send it.

00:21:11.900 They showed me an email, which, you know, the subject had been deleted.

00:21:15.600 Three of the four paragraphs have been redacted.

00:21:17.820 And then they asked me about it.

00:21:19.480 And at a certain point, I said, well, can I see these all at the same time or in chronological order?

00:21:25.520 And I should have known at that point.

00:21:27.520 The FBI said, that's not how we do things.

00:21:31.800 And at the end of the day, they were trying to trick me.

00:21:34.600 It was like they had the answer key because they had all the files.

00:21:37.820 I was working just from memory.

00:21:39.640 And if they got me to say something like, oh, what happened on Tuesday night?

00:21:44.240 But the phone call really happened on Wednesday morning.

00:21:46.540 They could jump up and say, you're lying.

00:21:49.500 That's a lie.

00:21:50.240 You're trying to dissemble us.

00:21:51.840 You know, you're lying to the FBI.

00:21:53.300 That's a perjury charge.

00:21:54.840 And they tried to trick me that way.

00:21:56.860 And they obviously tried to trick General Flynn that way.

00:21:59.780 They had the transcript of a phone call that he had with the Russian ambassador, Glenn.

00:22:04.900 And they were asking him questions about the phone call, which he didn't have a transcript of.

00:22:09.420 He didn't remember very well.

00:22:10.740 And that was the beginning of their charges against Flynn.

00:22:15.640 That's not the way you conduct yourself if you're really actually trying to tell the truth.

00:22:20.020 And you didn't get an attorney for a while because you thought that, you know, you were just you've done this forever.

00:22:27.300 Katie, have you ever seen anything like this?

00:22:30.260 I mean, you've been with Nixon, Reagan.

00:22:35.900 What's the other administration you were with?

00:22:39.000 You've afforded.

00:22:40.320 I mean, I've been through Watergate.

00:22:42.140 I've been through Iran contract.

00:22:43.720 I've been through everything.

00:22:45.260 And nothing.

00:22:46.100 Nothing really.

00:22:46.960 Have you ever seen it?

00:22:48.820 No, nothing.

00:22:49.600 But after September 11th, we gave the intelligence community enormous power.

00:22:55.080 And I think that's a good thing because they were supposed to use it to go after terrorists, mass murderers, etc.

00:23:01.200 But in the Obama administration, the senior officials of the intelligence community use those powers to go after political opponents.

00:23:10.140 And that's the dangerous thing that's happened.

00:23:13.060 And as you point out, my career was destroyed.

00:23:16.660 General Flynn's has been destroyed.

00:23:18.480 And in the end of the day, I never would plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit.

00:23:24.320 And I refused to implicate General Flynn or President Trump in crimes they didn't commit, which was what the FBI and the Mueller people implied I should do.

00:23:34.460 And they would go away if I did that.

00:23:36.340 I wouldn't do it, knowing full well that I might have to fight them in court and go bankrupt and everything else.

00:23:42.640 General Flynn had an additional pressure point, though.

00:23:45.580 They threatened his son.

00:23:46.820 And so he sacrificed himself to protect his son.

00:23:51.040 He pled guilty to a crime he did not commit in order to get his son free from the clutches of the Mueller investigators.

00:23:59.340 That's how bad it's gotten.

00:24:01.200 And, you know, at the end of the day, Glenn, it's not about Flynn.

00:24:03.800 It's not about me.

00:24:04.820 It's about a group of people who are unelected, unaccountable to anybody.

00:24:09.600 The deep state, they didn't like the election results in 2016.

00:24:14.480 So they were going to either take the president out, take his advisors out, or make sure he couldn't govern.

00:24:19.940 When they said in that memo that was just released, you know, what is our goal here?

00:24:28.320 Are we trying to find the truth or are we trying to get him to lie so we can, you know, take him out, charge him with a crime or get him out of the administration?

00:24:42.000 I found that a little frightening myself.

00:24:47.400 And I know that they try to do perjury traps.

00:24:50.560 But is this the kind of perjury trap that the FBI always uses?

00:24:57.540 Because they're trying to say that they did nothing different than they normally do.

00:25:03.400 Well, then that's even more terrifying.

00:25:05.720 Is this how they treat Americans?

00:25:06.880 Right.

00:25:07.400 They don't like, you know, either you choose.

00:25:10.680 Either they abuse their power in going after Flynn and myself and others, or they didn't abuse their power, that this is the power that they've decided to use against everybody.

00:25:19.500 And I find that even more terrifying.

00:25:21.980 You know, here's one of the real motivations behind going to Flynn as opposed to other people in the administration.

00:25:27.920 At first was because Flynn and I and the president had already talked about streamlining the intelligence community.

00:25:35.660 Flynn had done it when he was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency in the Obama administration.

00:25:40.360 He streamlined it.

00:25:41.580 He changed how they collected intelligence, how they analyzed it.

00:25:44.540 And the deep state, the guys in the 16 sprawling intelligence agencies, they didn't want anything to change.

00:25:51.780 So it was a preemptive strike against Flynn.

00:25:54.220 Take him out before he has a chance to get his feet in and then start looking at the intelligence community because that was Trump's job.

00:26:02.600 And we did.

00:26:03.540 We looked at the foreign policy of the Obama administration, the defense policy, and the intelligence policy.

00:26:08.720 And there were a lot of changes made, but not to the intelligence community because Flynn had been preemptively taken out.

00:26:16.300 So I've talked to people in Washington and they've said, Glenn, at least 30 percent across the board just has to be cut because it's so infected now.

00:26:32.420 It's just it's just out of control.

00:26:35.540 I don't see this happening, especially when they have the power that they do.

00:26:40.720 I mean, you talk about, you know, if this is what they'll do to you guys, you know, they're they'll do it to the average citizen.

00:26:47.860 What's truly frightening is doing it to the average citizen would never come to light.

00:26:52.520 These guys are so confident that they can do it to some of the biggest names that we all know.

00:26:58.200 And the president of the United States, they're not afraid.

00:27:02.660 What chance do we have of cleaning this up and getting this in order?

00:27:07.060 Well, I've always believed sunlight is the best disinfectant.

00:27:11.960 And you're right.

00:27:13.140 They came after Flynn, who was one of Obama's.

00:27:15.520 I mean, one of General General Flynn's, one of Trump's top advisers.

00:27:19.420 They came after me.

00:27:20.200 I was the most powerful woman in the West Wing of the White House, one of the most powerful people in the national security community.

00:27:26.440 And if they could take us down and just as you point out, nobody else has a chance.

00:27:32.120 The other thing that they understand is that they can bankrupt you, whether they find you guilty of something, whether you are, whether they charge you with a crime.

00:27:41.380 If they don't like you, they can bankrupt you because you have to pay for your own lawyer's fees.

00:27:46.400 They have infinite resources and infinite ability to get everything, every kind of record there is.

00:27:53.220 So for General Flynn's case, he lost his house, he lost his pension, he's millions of dollars in debt.

00:28:00.100 My legal defense cost me high fixed figures, and I didn't even meet any Russians.

00:28:06.480 And as you point out, I'm not new to this game.

00:28:10.680 But the overabuse is pretty significant.

00:28:13.580 I think that's why it's really important to reelect President Trump, because he's promised me personally a number of times.

00:28:19.580 We're going to find out, we're going to get to the bottom of this, and we're going to get rid of these guys.

00:28:25.640 Otherwise...

00:28:26.000 All right, hang on just a second.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, sure.

00:28:29.820 No, go ahead, finish.

00:28:31.320 Otherwise...

00:28:32.080 Otherwise, if you just get a couple of low-level, mid-level guys in the FBI and call it a day and say, well, that was who did it.

00:28:39.280 It means nothing.

00:28:40.820 It means nothing.

00:28:41.660 Yeah, it means nothing.

00:28:42.600 It was only orchestrated at the highest levels.

00:28:46.160 Okay, so I want to talk about that when we come back.

00:28:48.260 This is KT McFarland.

00:28:49.760 She's former Trump National Security Advisor.

00:28:53.280 She is really a legend, I think, and a decent human being.

00:29:00.160 She's always been rock solid and a good individual.

00:29:05.800 And I wanted you to hear her side of the story.

00:29:08.260 She has a new book out.

00:29:10.200 It's called Revolution.

00:29:12.240 But I've wanted to talk to KT for a while on this.

00:29:15.540 And now that we have this information coming out about Flynn, she was right there.

00:29:21.940 She saw it all.

00:29:23.480 And they tried to do it to her.

00:29:25.400 They did it to Flynn, but they couldn't do it to her.

00:29:28.760 The book is Revolution.

00:29:31.160 I don't know exactly how she's going to pay off her bills. 0.84

00:29:34.900 I think that's why she wrote the book.

00:29:38.040 And it is important.

00:29:40.000 It's all about the inside story of what is happening to try to take Donald Trump out.

00:29:47.980 And we'll talk to her and continue our conversation in just a minute.

00:29:51.340 The name of the book is Revolution.

00:29:52.600 KT McFarland.

00:29:53.740 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:30:13.640 So, Ken Alabak, he was born in Kazakhstan in 1950.

00:30:20.200 He went to the Tomczyk Medical Institute in the former Soviet Union.

00:30:27.780 He majored in infectious diseases and epidemiology.

00:30:31.720 He has, and I don't know if I'd want this on my resume.

00:30:34.060 This is really kind of weird and frightening.

00:30:36.340 He holds a PhD in microbiology for research and development of the plague and tulmeria biological weapons.

00:30:45.700 He also has a doctorate of science in biotechnology for developing the technology to manufacture anthrax on an industrial scale.

00:30:56.220 He ran the Soviet Union's bioweapons labs.

00:31:00.660 And when you read his book, which came out years ago, and you find out how he really became the director, I mean, it's terrifying what they were doing over there.

00:31:11.780 When the Soviet Union collapsed, he immediately came over and defected to the West.

00:31:17.420 He's a guy.

00:31:18.220 I'm glad he's on our side.

00:31:21.520 Welcome to the program, Ken Alabak.

00:31:24.800 Hello.

00:31:25.980 Good morning.

00:31:26.760 How are you, sir?

00:31:28.260 I'm fine.

00:31:29.000 How about you?

00:31:30.660 I'm fine.

00:31:33.440 I want to talk to you about, first of all, for anybody who hasn't read your book, I think it came out, what, in the 90s or early 2000s?

00:31:45.540 The first edition came out in 1999.

00:31:50.300 Since then, we had several new editions here in the United States and in many other countries.

00:31:57.220 Well, I have a first edition.

00:32:00.000 This is the most chilling book I've ever read.

00:32:04.800 Tell people the difference between the United States and the former Soviet Union on how we look for cures before we weaponize. 0.62

00:32:17.480 You didn't feel that there was any weapon that was really a good weapon in the Soviet Union unless there was no cure.

00:32:25.100 Do I have that right?

00:32:26.900 Absolutely.

00:32:27.880 You know, general principles for designing and making biological weapons in the Soviet Union and the United States were absolutely different.

00:32:37.440 In the United States, there was a requirement, because the United States program continued from 1943 to 1972, 71-72.

00:32:46.280 And the major principle was not to develop any biological weapon if there is no cure or vaccination.

00:32:54.400 In the Soviet Union, the principle was different.

00:32:59.840 There was no much interest in biological weapons if there was a cure.

00:33:04.820 It doesn't mean that no weapons were developed if there was no cure.

00:33:10.840 I mean, there was cure, but major focus was on something which wouldn't wouldn't be treatable.

00:33:16.740 That's terrifying.

00:33:19.740 That's terrifying.

00:33:20.700 Now, Ken, the difference between the United States and the Soviet Union, especially towards the end, in safety procedures, in these real bioweapons labs, 0.92

00:33:33.260 did the Soviet Union have the kind of safety procedures that we have?

00:33:37.780 Is it the same?

00:33:40.480 Was it the same, especially towards the end?

00:33:43.240 I would say in the Soviet Union, there were strong requirements just to have a very strict biosefety for when we worked with some contagious agents.

00:33:58.400 Specifically, the work with Ebola, hemorrhagic fever, smallpox, then Marburg hemorrhagic fever.

00:34:06.600 There was a requirement not to do any work if there was no quarantine after finishing certain work.

00:34:14.560 For example, we had some groups working, for example, for two weeks or three weeks.

00:34:19.980 Then after finishing the work, they were not allowed just to leave the facility.

00:34:25.520 They were staying at a certain facility just for quarantine for 14 days.

00:34:31.780 And after this, they were allowed to come out.

00:34:34.280 Okay, so now let me switch to China.

00:34:38.280 China, does this communist country have the same kind of philosophy of biological weapons that the Soviets had?

00:34:48.540 Logically, at that time, we didn't know much about a Chinese biological weapons program.

00:34:54.440 But there was some information coming, even at that time, we had some information, we called it special information, coming from some intelligence agencies of the Soviet Union, describing what was happening in China.

00:35:10.340 At that time, China had a biological weapons program.

00:35:15.800 We didn't know much about the actual size and a number of facilities, but it was obvious there were some efforts to design biological weapons.

00:35:24.740 So now that we are facing the coronavirus, do they have the same kind of standards that you had in the Soviet Union and that we have here on these bioweapons labs? 0.97

00:35:37.380 You know, a while ago, I had such a question coming from my readers.

00:35:43.120 And I was explaining how these facilities should function, I mean, what levels of protection in order not to let virus coming out.

00:35:54.060 And to me, it was a kind of rule in which we knew, for example, if there is no this level of protection, nobody would do any work with contagious agents.

00:36:04.020 You know, if we analyze, and that's what actually I thought about, this facility in Wuhan, in China.

00:36:12.400 But some information coming that the facility was not so strictly, I mean, didn't have a strict requirements on biosafety.

00:36:22.420 Whether it's true or not, of course, it's still to be seen and investigated.

00:36:27.020 But if there was no rule, let me say, not to stay in quarantine for at least 14 days, the probability the virus is coming from the lab actually exists.

00:36:38.580 So I don't believe that this was a biological weapon or intentionally released.

00:36:45.780 It looks like it might be just sloppy work followed by, you know, like the Soviet Union with Chernobyl, just doing everything they can to cover, you know, for the state. 0.61

00:36:59.320 Would you say that that is a safe bet or not?

00:37:03.400 Yeah, I would agree with what you say.

00:37:07.760 You know, just for some while, I was trying to collect all information about how it happened, when it happened.

00:37:14.000 And in just, I collected some dates in December, some in November, in December, and January, and it was clear to me that there was a pattern when we saw some people infected, for example, from a group of three, then a bigger number.

00:37:34.400 And by the time, it looks like it was beginning of January, let me say, we saw already it was a much bigger number of people infected than Chinese actually reported.

00:37:47.120 But at that time, they didn't report anything.

00:37:49.060 But at the same time, when we talk about whether it's an intentional attack or it's an accidental release or somebody was infected from some wild source, it's obvious it was not a biological attack.

00:38:04.580 Because in case of a biological attack, you would see a big number of people infected within a short period of time.

00:38:09.920 In this case, we saw some very small numbers, but what Chinese reported, they said they didn't find zero patient, patient zero.

00:38:20.640 Because a zero patient actually is usually a patient who was the first infected and started distributing, infecting others.

00:38:28.160 They found some people who were the first, I would say, in the line to start the infection, but the actual first patient, I mean, patient zero, was not reported.

00:38:41.600 Was it done intentionally or not?

00:38:44.300 And some people say, because we know when we do epidemiological investigation, we can go and we actually can find, for example, if you find three people, for example, infected,

00:38:55.400 that just investigation by collecting information, they can show, for example, where they were, what they did.

00:39:02.440 And finally, we can say, okay, they contacted this particular person.

00:39:07.380 And if this person already dead or survived, but at least we can say, okay, in our chain of investigation, we found the one who was the first one.

00:39:17.040 But if it's not known, and Chinese didn't want to release this information, there is a very high likelihood that this person was coming from a lab.

00:39:26.920 We're talking to Ken Ellebeck.

00:39:32.020 He is the author of Biohazard.

00:39:33.560 He ran the Soviet bioweapons laboratory, the biggest bioweapons program in the world. 0.86

00:39:42.240 And we just wanted to get touch base with him on what's happening with China.

00:39:45.960 Ken, when you look at this, when you look at this coronavirus, you're now in in biodefense.

00:39:56.020 Are we doing the right things by staying in and closing the world down?

00:40:01.840 What what is this virus?

00:40:04.980 I mean, we've never done this in the history of the world.

00:40:07.620 Are we doing the right thing or what should we be doing?

00:40:10.480 It's interesting, in many cases, sometimes it seems to me maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm wrong, for example, just would be happy if somebody corrects me.

00:40:22.260 But you know what?

00:40:23.600 It looks like sometimes we don't get our lessons.

00:40:27.860 And the first lesson we got, it was a Spanish flow, 1918.

00:40:32.660 And if we analyze, for example, what was happening just 100 years ago with what we do now, and you can say exactly, we haven't developed any new measures for protection compared to what we had 100 years ago.

00:40:49.020 Same situations with social distancing, masks, and that's it.

00:40:55.980 Nothing new.

00:40:56.560 And you know, but it cannot be a situation, okay, through the period of 100 years, yes, we found no solution.

00:41:04.120 It's really, I mean, it's, I would say, strange.

00:41:08.060 But then we shouldn't forget, let me say, other epidemics.

00:41:11.740 It's a SARS epidemic, first coronavirus epidemic in China coming from China.

00:41:17.440 In fact, in many people at different locations, different countries.

00:41:20.680 It was not so big, but it was a first sign, for example, okay, coronavirus is coming.

00:41:25.660 And I consulted the government of Singapore, 2003, 2004.

00:41:33.620 And we knew at that time that that virus, let's call it SARS-1, it had a very high mutation rate.

00:41:42.720 And you know what it means in this case?

00:41:45.080 It means the probability that somebody who was infected first would pass the virus to another person,

00:41:51.820 but the virus will be already different because it's, it means, for example, in terms of vaccination or some other things,

00:42:00.340 for example, we already deal with some other viruses.

00:42:02.540 Not necessarily absolutely different, but some difference would be already obvious.

00:42:07.580 But in this case, if just, I do remember all these discussions at that time at different levels.

00:42:13.900 And we discussed the necessity just to develop vaccines, just to, and it's interesting from this point,

00:42:21.980 there is a very sophisticated agency in the United States with the name of DARPA,

00:42:28.860 Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

00:42:33.920 It's the agency of the Department of Defense, which is focused on high risk, high payoff problems.

00:42:43.220 And it had a program with the name of non-conventional or unconventional pathogen contremesions.

00:42:49.460 It started sometime in 2000, 2001, just exactly after this terrorist attack in New York City.

00:42:56.280 And the research was so sophisticated, so many new things have been designed to develop.

00:43:04.080 We call them non-specific defense against unknown threats.

00:43:09.180 And I have no idea what happened in 2003, 2006 or 2007.

00:43:13.860 The program was closed down.

00:43:15.620 But it was the most promising program just to defend people because, you know, just when we talk about vaccination,

00:43:21.340 everybody rely on vaccines.

00:43:23.300 But how can we, in the beginning of the 21st century, rely on defenses coming from the 19th century?

00:43:31.880 You know what's happening in this case?

00:43:33.740 Yes, vaccines are important.

00:43:35.360 But vaccines are coming from a former threat.

00:43:40.060 You know what I mean?

00:43:41.200 Because we develop...

00:43:43.560 It's constantly changing, and you can't keep up with it.

00:43:47.960 You've got to get ahead of it.

00:43:49.620 Yeah.

00:43:50.100 Today is coronavirus.

00:43:51.320 Tomorrow could be new Ebola.

00:43:53.300 It could be something different.

00:43:54.620 In this case, you know, there is a kind of saying, okay, generalists are fighting previous wars, not future wars.

00:44:01.720 In this case, what we do in this case, we fight previous infections, previous epidemics.

00:44:07.100 Because next epidemic, if you take a look, SARS-1, 2004.

00:44:13.880 MERS, another coronavirus, 2012, and continued for several years.

00:44:19.440 They are different.

00:44:20.420 Now we're having a situation with SARS-3, I would say, the third one. 0.93

00:44:25.100 But the problem is, if somebody analyzes the differences between these epidemics, they would see a dramatic difference.

00:44:32.300 Because people were not scared.

00:44:34.320 And in this case, we thought, okay, this infection wouldn't cause any significant damage.

00:44:39.660 But it was changing.

00:44:40.660 And if we compare them, we'll see those epidemics were quite limited by size, a number of deaths, and so on and so forth.

00:44:49.580 But we suspected, and we published articles.

00:44:52.900 We published articles in 2004, 2003, 2006 saying, okay, guys, we need to be ready for a pandemic.

00:44:59.860 I do remember my article published in the Journal of Future Virology.

00:45:05.300 And we specifically, a group of four, we said, okay, guys, we need to be ready for a new pandemic.

00:45:12.160 It was said 14 years ago.

00:45:13.960 Well, I will tell you, Ken, that George Bush was the last president that really took this seriously.

00:45:23.380 And he's the guy that put that DARPA program in.

00:45:25.600 And it was in the change of the administration that that thing, I think, the DARPA was canceled.

00:45:31.780 But all of his preparations also went by the wayside.

00:45:36.280 He actually really believed in it.

00:45:39.240 And others didn't think it was a priority.

00:45:41.160 And it's a shame that we didn't pursue that.

00:45:43.500 I've got to run for a network break.

00:45:45.260 But, Ken, it is great to talk to you.

00:45:47.300 Thank you for all of your work.

00:45:49.340 Thank you for your work in biodefense.

00:45:51.700 No thank you for all the stuff that you did in the Soviet Union.

00:45:54.860 But, I mean, it brought you where you are today.

00:45:57.860 So, thank you so much, Ken.

00:45:59.660 Appreciate it.

00:46:00.900 The name of his book is called Biohazard.

00:46:04.560 It is bone-chilling.

00:46:07.880 It is one of the best books I've ever read.

00:46:12.420 All true.

The Glenn Beck Program - May 05, 2020

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