The Glenn Beck Program - March 31, 2021


Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Lara Logan & Justin Haskins ｜ 3⧸31⧸21


Episode Stats

Length

49 minutes

Words per Minute

161.3647

Word Count

7,979

Sentence Count

46

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 welcome to the podcast uh today it's a glenn beck program along with pat and stew what a treat
00:00:06.640 uh group all back together again mostly at least the band is back on tour uh today we had uh justin
00:00:15.280 haskins on to talk about uh esg standards and now esg standards sounds like the worst tease for a
00:00:20.400 segment of all time but this is a big deal because it's the way the the left is using the economy
00:00:26.960 against capitalism they're using capitalism against capitalism in a way forcing companies
00:00:33.400 to invoke all this woke nonsense uh we'll have that we have laura logan on today uh the journalist
00:00:39.260 of course who uh who is talking about the border and the cartels on the border why is it an important
00:00:45.220 thing to actually have a secure border we get into that and all the dangers going on there with laura
00:00:50.480 logan uh we talk about uh the uh the situation going on with joe biden's speech today he is
00:00:57.360 speaking in pittsburgh and going to introduce multiple trillions of dollars of spending um
00:01:04.080 now you can't watch this speech by yourself it's just not right bad things can happen that's why
00:01:09.420 we're doing a watch-along party on youtube uh watch the speech live with myself uh at youtube.com
00:01:16.040 slash stew does america you're going to make sure you you check that one out because we're just going
00:01:20.540 to be relentlessly mocking joe biden mostly and giving you all the fact checks live on as as we
00:01:25.260 go through it uh that's today as well as uh there's a brand new glenn tv tonight uh right after a brand
00:01:31.260 new stew does america if you're a subscriber to blaze tv.com slash glenn the promo code is controlling
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00:01:50.260 you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
00:02:01.260 all right here is the here's the exciting part again of the speech i was kidding i do have the
00:02:11.760 embargoed speech here's the exciting part of the speech he's going to give today
00:02:15.040 it's going to be a little bit less exciting than that when he gives it but you get the sense of
00:02:29.900 the direction of the speech i think he's good it's electric when i hear him say
00:02:34.560 i just think wow god bless america what an amazing moment in our history and they're saying it's it's
00:02:45.540 his fdr moment and he kind of sounds like fdr would if he was still alive right like that's
00:02:51.720 kind of well his fdr moment is because he's going to come in in a wheelchair and you'll just hear
00:02:56.320 yeah well after he squeaks on stage on his uh in his wheelchair uh he is expected to uh release a
00:03:10.880 two trillion dollar quote-unquote infrastructure plan uh because as you know uh our roads and
00:03:18.620 bridges and they're crumbling um pat gray joins us that the crumbling roads and bridges are very
00:03:24.220 crumbly today pat we've been talking about this for years i wish every president in the last four
00:03:30.980 had done you know trillion dollars you know packages for the infrastructure you know yeah if
00:03:36.300 they just would have done it then i know i apparently the shovel ready projects weren't as shovel ready as
00:03:42.760 so embarrassing so two trillion dollars uh cnn uh leads it with this headline
00:03:52.160 infrastructure was a trump punchline but is a window into biden's soul oh my god yes who said that
00:04:01.120 cnn oh my infrastructure is a window into his soul look
00:04:06.940 so legit two trillion dollars this is a there's going to be tons of uh tax
00:04:21.800 hikes in here one of the wonderful things they're doing i think you guys will appreciate this one
00:04:26.100 is they are how do you pay for something like this well you got to jack up taxes they want to jack up
00:04:32.680 taxes on corporations from it's just the biggest tax hike since 1942 though it's just the biggest yeah
00:04:38.600 it's not like the biggest ever no and and when that happened i was 75 years old right it was fine
00:04:47.080 now sure it's two trillion dollars okay but you know joe biden's a moderate i want you guys to
00:04:54.760 remember this is the moderate candidate okay listen to the new york times mr biden will lay out his
00:05:01.100 infrastructure plan in an afternoon speech in pittsburgh it is the first step in a two-part agenda to
00:05:06.560 this is a quote from the new york times overhaul american capitalism that is that's how they're
00:05:13.240 promoting this oh my god is overhauling american capitalism can i tell you something the only thing
00:05:20.520 he seems to be moderate on which is so bizarre is the loosening of the marijuana drug laws
00:05:26.260 it's like all of a sudden have you noticed those stories there he's doing everything you know
00:05:33.180 free heroin for everyone and then you're like i bought a new marijuana cigarettes
00:05:38.120 yeah he's like firing staff members over a potential past use of marijuana and it's like
00:05:45.560 what what are you doing all of these things and that's what you care about
00:05:50.780 the people you're putting on staff the best thing about them is they use they use marijuana at one
00:05:56.980 point in their past i'd hope they're using more now yeah hey just sit in your room and eat pizza
00:06:03.300 and nachos just get high all day please now you do not want to watch this speech alone i'm going to
00:06:08.860 be doing a live stream on youtube at the studios america channel watching the speech with you so
00:06:13.360 please join me there because we can this is not a the type of activity you can handle on your on your
00:06:18.300 own let me give you one of the little things behind the scenes here they're doing
00:06:21.320 now the tax increase increasing uh taxes on corporations in a massive way it is not enough
00:06:28.940 to actually pay for this two trillion dollar plan so what they're doing is they're taking in the plan
00:06:36.180 and increasing taxes for 15 years to pay for eight years of the spending so they're acting as if the
00:06:45.160 spending stops after eight years but the tax is in there for 15 years only 384
00:06:52.260 yes you will joe so are they sunsetted are the tax increases sunset in uh do they sunset in 15 years
00:06:59.020 and it goes back to the other level it's not entirely clear not clear there are limitations on
00:07:04.680 it because they want that to be clear no well the speech hasn't occurred i'm sure i mean you can hear
00:07:10.040 mumbling in the background now right you gotta assume i just sound like sunsets i don't know
00:07:15.000 so yeah we don't know exactly we that is because of the way the uh reconciliation process works
00:07:24.080 they a lot of times do have to sunset uh these uh these parts they don't normally go past 10 years
00:07:30.940 though traditionally it's always 10 years republicans flirted with extending it at one point but never did
00:07:36.060 now of course this is what happens right you right you flirt with it once and then they just take it
00:07:40.860 and run with it let me tell you i like reconciliation with my beautiful wife jill because uh she was
00:07:48.340 she was flirting with things back in her flapper days and uh it's a great point it's a great point
00:07:59.320 biden makes and by the way we should be clear glenn today's speech is about the two trillion dollars
00:08:05.280 of infrastructure spending however that's only part one of a two-part process and you won't
00:08:13.480 understand part two if you didn't watch part one the second part will be another two trillion dollars
00:08:20.160 about climate change and uh i guess that's more of the remaking american capitalism overhauling it
00:08:29.180 so it's four trillion altogether yeah he's only announcing two trillion today though
00:08:33.560 then i do the prequel which is 30 trillion dollars
00:08:37.480 he's already spent two trillion and he's been in office for a couple months
00:08:42.800 they're spending all of this money and it's almost like we're spending money like it's going out of
00:08:48.020 style let me break for one minute and no more no more gotta go bladder uh and uh tell you about
00:08:55.620 why they're spending money like it's going out of style um because it is in just a second
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00:10:48.280 all right you sick twisted freak now let me tell you about the plan to retire the u.s dollar
00:10:59.080 in um in my research this is this is my belief of how things are going to work out in the next couple
00:11:10.000 of years um i passed this by several people uh and they believe it's solid but i want you to know
00:11:17.280 up front this is what i believe is going to happen and it is all tied to things that i know are already
00:11:25.400 being put into place right now there is a race going on for digital currency it's it's a three
00:11:32.640 horse race and bitcoin is not in it it's the u.s china or the imf the world bank we are looking
00:11:39.860 for what is going to be the world reserve currency what is going to replace the u.s dollar russia and
00:11:49.300 others are pushing out digital currency etc etc but they're a tiny portion of the global currency power
00:11:54.260 and they're really not relevant in my opinion the u.s federal reserve is behind china on the actual
00:12:02.800 digital currency implementation china already has the digital renimbi which i just love how many
00:12:11.540 renimbis do you know i have eleventy frillion uh eleventy frillions that is good yeah so they do all
00:12:22.400 of the intergovernmental transactions via the bank of china so in other words communist the communist
00:12:27.840 party passing money to the communist party posing as the bank and then the communist party getting that
00:12:33.340 money back it is renimbi is the people's money in mandarin however even though they've already pushed
00:12:41.960 this out and they're already using it the u.s is way ahead when it comes to potential adoption
00:12:47.360 70 percent of international financial transactions right now are settled in u.s dollars this is what
00:12:53.720 gives our dollar any kind of value now whereas only 1.5 percent of the global transactions are settled
00:13:00.740 in uh in chinese money several analysis believe that the u.s will have a digital u.s dollar issued by
00:13:11.520 the federal reserve by 2022 i want you to listen because this is really important to your future
00:13:20.060 they want to get it out this according to several analysts they want to get it out before the midterm
00:13:27.840 election because the republicans may retake the house or the senate or both the fed doesn't require
00:13:34.640 technically any kind of congressional approval to issue any new digital currency but that doesn't mean
00:13:41.020 that congress wouldn't move to block or slow it uh just to limit the fed's authority here
00:13:46.360 lately yellen and powell and the head of the fbi have all started warning congress and the public
00:13:53.940 about the dangers of bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrencies because they can be used by sex
00:14:01.360 traffickers and they can be used by terrorists and so the plan is to issue a digital u.s dollar
00:14:10.040 and then automatically convert u.s dollars from the old u.s dollars to digital u.s dollars d usds okay
00:14:20.080 the banks would issue the d usd at some ratio that the fade the fed would set now here's why this is so
00:14:28.540 important for you to be ahead of the curve on the money in your bank account will suddenly become
00:14:35.980 u.s or d usds overnight but that doesn't mean that it's going to be dollar for dollar in fact the fed
00:14:44.940 is going to be deciding how much loss everybody takes the fed will also offer u.s dollar cash holders
00:14:53.420 physical cash but not in the banks to cash in old usds for new d usds for some time period six months or a
00:15:02.340 year and the way they'll do this is require cash holders to deposit the money into u.s banks so they
00:15:08.760 can control the conversion to d usd and track all transactions after the cutout date the old u.s dollar
00:15:17.880 will be retired either overnight or via an overtime graduated retirement schedule the conversion rate
00:15:23.900 is just going to get worse and worse so they're going to say hey you'll get 80 percent of your dollar
00:15:28.880 if you turn them in now and then you know the next month you'll get 70 cents on the dollar and so
00:15:34.180 it will push people into pushing their their money the convertibility rate analysts are now speculating
00:15:42.800 that it won't necessarily be equal so in other words not everyone will get 80 percent or 70 percent
00:15:50.720 part of the plan here is to do social engineering and wealth distribution they're going to have a
00:15:57.320 progressive like we have a progressive income tax this will be a progressive conversion rate it'll be
00:16:04.220 the same way we do progressive tax structure poor people are going to get a one-to-one ratio
00:16:10.020 you might even if you're one of the afflicted groups get a one point uh a one to 1.5 ratio meaning you get 50
00:16:20.380 cents more for every dollar and wealthy people could get a 0.5 to one conversion rate so the more you have
00:16:28.680 in u.s dollars it may be the less u.s the digital u.s dollar you'll receive in return now the reason why
00:16:40.480 they're retiring the dollar is because we are spending into oblivion and they don't have an exit plan
00:16:46.800 other than the death of the dollar in the near future they don't need to care about the debt
00:16:53.260 or inflation because they can effectively buy unlimited amounts of old currency with new currency
00:16:59.380 and force the cash holders to take the loss because they can make all other currencies including
00:17:05.980 cryptocurrencies illegal whenever they see fit so by controlling the currency and having the power
00:17:12.840 to declare what currencies are legal and what are not and how much those cash concern um currencies
00:17:19.220 are worth all cash holders will accept whatever terms they want this is the uh end game i believe
00:17:30.840 for the u.s dollar um and i don't think they're gonna get you're not it'll be interesting to hear if
00:17:37.700 anybody in the press picks this up and makes fun of me on it um because uh won't they be shocked
00:17:45.460 oh there is a caliphate oh 2008 did happen yeah i'm telling you it is uh it is coming the the question is
00:17:56.160 how much can we get other countries to take a loss on u.s dollars that they currently hold
00:18:01.860 the sovereign u.s dollar holder is probably going to take a 50 percent haircut but private party dollar
00:18:09.140 holders will accept maybe a 90 percent loss on their u.s dollars and it will create a race to dump
00:18:16.360 dollars and a current and put them into other currencies um the the the way we're going to get
00:18:23.960 global uh support on this is we will offer foreign debtors countries that owe the u.s government money
00:18:31.740 will say look i know you bought those tanks and those planes will give you um we'll give you a 50
00:18:39.860 percent uh cut on your debt you just you just turn everything into u.s uh digital dollars and we'll call
00:18:49.840 it a day that's what's coming so when you see all of this spending know that if you aren't aware of
00:18:58.080 what is right around the corner you are going to lose it is why i urge you to watch tonight's tv show
00:19:06.520 tonight's tv show is so important because we show you the mechanisms in the financial industry
00:19:14.660 that are being laid right now to make things like this happen i mean how do you give a 10 percent
00:19:24.280 haircut a 50 percent haircut to all americans how do you do that well timing timing is important
00:19:35.340 stew did you notice what were we talking about where where he said uh timing it was on the guns
00:19:41.960 on the gun bill last week right he was saying the timing just isn't right there was something else that
00:19:49.020 he was talking about yesterday where he was talking about the timing just isn't right they
00:19:56.300 they either have fortune tellers to see what's coming next but they i don't know i don't know if
00:20:05.140 they can foresee trouble coming but the the uh yesterday the world health organization got a whole
00:20:12.640 buttload of countries like 40 some countries to sign on to a global treaty the where they'll all act
00:20:19.040 the same the biden administration didn't say that they wouldn't sign that treaty they said
00:20:24.200 the timing isn't right just yet wait what does that mean exactly that you will sign a global treaty
00:20:34.140 where the who tells us to shut our businesses and we do what does that mean
00:20:39.920 find out more tonight at nine o'clock on blaze tv.com this is the best of the glenn beck program
00:20:49.600 we have justin haskins uh on with us he is the editorial director and research fellow at the
00:21:05.100 heartland institute he's also a researcher of mine and co-author of a new book that is taking us a
00:21:11.700 little longer than we expected because the more we dig into it the more we find uh and it is called
00:21:18.680 the great reset justin welcome to the program thanks for having me glenn it's great to uh talk to you
00:21:26.240 i asked pat to come in along with stew because they are more we're in the weeds and i like them
00:21:34.820 to be here and ask the questions that the person who really doesn't understand what's going may be
00:21:41.600 asking you just went in and you opened a merrill lynch account yesterday correct i did i absolutely did
00:21:51.200 yeah and you're going to talk to us about the scores that you found before we get into it i want
00:21:58.080 to uh tease here just a bit and then i want to talk to you about it i got a bank i got a call from one
00:22:04.280 of the big five banks in america uh and they intimidated uh intimated that they wanted me to make a correction
00:22:14.720 uh on the show when they left the message when i got back to them they didn't want a correction in
00:22:21.800 the show they said everything that we said that was accurate except that's not what they're doing
00:22:27.100 and we said well help us out where do we need to correct it well no it's it's no we don't need a
00:22:34.100 correction it's it's not that there anything was said that was wrong it's just not what we're doing
00:22:39.720 and i want to go into that conversation with you in a in a little while but first take the boys
00:22:46.740 through esg right so so the most important thing to understand about esg standards that's esg
00:22:56.300 environment social and governance standards is there are a metrics that you a metric system that you build
00:23:03.280 on top of existing ways that you evaluate companies so instead of just looking at how much money
00:23:09.700 a company makes instead of looking at how good their products and services are and customer
00:23:14.240 satisfaction and all of that you add on top of it all of this social justice woke stuff so how green
00:23:21.340 are you and uh you know how many women do you have in management and what's the pay gap between the
00:23:28.160 highest paid person and and uh the lowest paid person all of these kinds of things and then you
00:23:34.000 provide a numerical score based on these things it's usually a numerical score sometimes there are
00:23:39.980 other ways of doing it but you provide a score and that allows you to evaluate companies that maybe
00:23:45.780 don't make a whole lot of money but they're really woke and that means more to us than just being a
00:23:51.900 company that makes money and people actually like so that's what the esg system is designed to do it's
00:23:58.460 designed to provide you with a way to see how you know which companies are the good companies and
00:24:04.160 which companies are the bad companies based on these social justice and environment metrics
00:24:08.920 so take me to uh take me to who is who is making these judgment calls what what is the agency that is saying
00:24:22.400 uh this is you know bad this is good right so there are a whole bunch of different people out there
00:24:31.980 they're all pretty much part of the same cabal that are doing these different rating systems
00:24:36.180 the biggest one the one that i think is going to become the prominent system is is being produced
00:24:41.880 by a group in the world economic forum these are the big great reset people um it's led this group
00:24:48.960 uh the international business council i believe is the name of it is led by the ceo of of bank of
00:24:54.140 america brian moynihan and they produced a report with the world economic forum back in september
00:25:01.140 that created a an elaborate esg system that they think basically all of the major companies in the
00:25:08.300 world should adopt and it includes i think uh 20 core metrics and 30 expanded metrics and in to give
00:25:16.740 you some sense of like what is in this set of metrics in the social metrics section one of them
00:25:23.060 is the percentage of employees per employee category by age group gender and other indicators
00:25:30.040 of diversity the ratio of the basic salary and remuneration for each employee category by
00:25:37.100 significant locations of operation boy you gotta love how they write this stuff for priority areas
00:25:43.020 of equality such as men to women minor to major ethnic groups and other relevant equality areas
00:25:49.740 so in other words if you don't have the right ratio of asians to hispanics or whatever then that means
00:25:56.280 you get a lower score and there's a whole bunch of these things i mean there's dozens and dozens and
00:26:01.000 dozens of these metrics and they can essentially be whatever the heck they want them to be they can
00:26:05.520 change them at any given time and all cover the union cover the union one sure uh one of the social
00:26:14.060 metrics is the percentage of active workforce covered under collective bargaining agreements so
00:26:20.500 that's just another way of saying the percentage of your employees who are in a union in effect so if you
00:26:26.260 don't have a lot of union employees proportional to the size of your business then you're not going to
00:26:31.440 get a high esg score and the the whole reason that these companies are doing this well there's two
00:26:38.260 reasons i think the first is they see that this is the way the world is moving and they know that
00:26:43.300 governments are going to start requiring these esg scores and there's been all sorts of regulatory
00:26:48.420 movements over the past couple of years suggesting that that's going on including very recently at the
00:26:54.020 sec but the other thing is that there's tons and tons of money already behind it the estimates range
00:27:00.760 from 30 trillion dollars all the way up to over 100 trillion dollars depending on the group you're
00:27:05.860 looking at of governments and investors who are saying we are only going to invest in these kinds
00:27:11.020 of companies and so with all of that money floating around if you're a business why the heck would you
00:27:16.380 try to compete with people to have the best product and service when you can just be woke and get all of
00:27:21.980 this money flowing into your coffers that way and that's what makes this so dangerous so recently we've
00:27:27.700 heard all kinds of things about what coke is doing to be woke to be diverse uh and now this seems to
00:27:35.640 explain all that right this is this must be what is behind uh coke's motivation to be uh requiring the
00:27:43.720 race quotas and their leadership and all of those kinds of things that's exactly right yeah coke actually
00:27:50.000 in its annual report talks about its esg scores coke has a whole system of esg scores and esg auditing
00:27:56.700 actually have people working at coke that make sure that that they're following these esg scores so
00:28:02.260 that they get a really good score by these different rating agencies and how exactly does the esg score
00:28:09.600 help them i mean who is looking at these scores and is it who who is like behind this then why do
00:28:18.660 they care about their esg score right well it started this whole idea i think started and there's
00:28:26.840 some dispute as to when this began but i think it started out of the united nations sometime between
00:28:33.240 2000 and 2010 this idea and the idea was how do we get businesses to go along with our agenda if we
00:28:40.780 can't get governments to impose our agenda and the whole idea behind the esg system is that they want
00:28:47.380 to take the sustainable development goals from the united nations that's like agenda 21 agenda 2030 all
00:28:53.320 that stuff and they want to figure out a way to get that into the bloodstream of of the corporate
00:28:58.500 universe and the way that they figured that they could do this is by getting investors and central banks
00:29:05.620 and uh the imf and world bank and united nations and all these people to get behind this and say we're
00:29:13.420 only going to support you big corporation if you agree to follow through with these esg standards
00:29:20.100 and to adopt these things and to live by it and if you do then essentially we're going to take care of
00:29:25.940 you we're going to make sure the money keeps flowing in your direction and that's exactly what's happened
00:29:31.500 and they've actually been building this whole esg infrastructure behind the scenes no one noticed it
00:29:36.540 really over the past 10 years or so to the point where all of the major corporations that you can
00:29:43.100 think of for the most part already have this system in place it's already there so we just didn't let
00:29:48.780 before i go to a break let me just see if all of these fit into this category let me give you some
00:29:55.440 stories that have broken in the last couple of days go fund me yanks page run by virginia parents
00:30:02.900 fighting woke curriculum so go fund me saw this fundraiser for these parents and they're like we
00:30:09.720 need your help to fight this critical race theory in our schools go fund me yanked it is that just
00:30:17.120 their opinion or is it possible that this is all about uh esgs i think that virtually every decision
00:30:27.780 that big corporations are making today is related to esgs including that example that you just gave
00:30:35.380 i think they're all related to esg standards uh corporate home depot co-sponsored a website
00:30:42.460 citing the southern poverty law center and the 1619 project so they're putting out they're putting uh
00:30:51.320 helping fund the poison of the 1619 project woke or esg without question esg
00:31:01.080 uh let me give you um let me give you this one uh president uh biden says the private sector
00:31:12.820 should lead on vaccine passports yeah i mean that's a huge that's a huge topic amongst all of the
00:31:23.580 great reset people who are deeply involved in this um they absolutely have been they've been pushing for
00:31:29.140 that since the beginning of the pandemic hmm so this is a world uh organization or the global the world
00:31:38.520 economic forum that has wanted these kinds of things that biden is saying to libertarians delight
00:31:46.980 the government shouldn't do this but they don't libertarians don't understand this is part of a much
00:31:53.820 bigger government that is coming yes that's exactly right and joe biden has been involved with these people
00:32:01.140 for many many years he's a big supporter of this entire system that's called stakeholder capitalism
00:32:08.100 is another way that they they reference this uh the head of the world economic forum the most visible
00:32:13.560 uh vocal supporter of the great reset internationally a guy named klaus schwab uh when joe biden created
00:32:21.480 uh the biden institute which i know you all are very familiar with at the uh university of delaware
00:32:28.580 that he brought in klaus schwab because he he wanted to figure out how he could make that the world
00:32:35.240 economic forum of the united states and there's all sorts of articles about that online that you can find
00:32:41.520 so joe biden uh john kerry openly says that he supports the great reset that joe biden supports the great reset
00:32:48.160 john kerry has made comments to that effect within the past few months uh and he's also said
00:32:53.460 at a world economic forum meeting this is john kerry said that under joe biden the great reset meaning
00:33:00.080 all of this stuff uh with esg standards and printing of money and all of this that goes into it
00:33:05.620 is going to happen and that it's going to happen with greater intensity and faster than most people
00:33:11.300 realize and so this is all right everything we're seeing over the past few months is was was all in
00:33:18.160 the works for a very long time and it's not surprising at all this is the best of the glenbeck program
00:33:26.300 laura logan previously working for cbs news as their chief foreign affairs correspondent
00:33:34.540 contributing editor to uh 60 minutes she left there in 2018 she's an award-winning investigative
00:33:41.700 journalist she uh is currently on her own and has a show laura logan has no agenda on fox nation
00:33:49.400 hello laura how are you hey glenn i'm good thank you how are you i'm good good to talk to you again
00:33:55.620 so laura i wanted to bring the boys in pat and stewart with me and we wanted to talk to you about
00:34:00.800 what you've seen on the border and particularly what this administration is enabling how we are growing
00:34:09.680 the drug cartels and what life is like what does a drug cartel even mean right on our border
00:34:16.960 uh well it's very interesting glenn because most people in the u.s think of the cartels as the drug
00:34:23.660 organizations of the 1970s who really um pioneered you know smuggling marijuana over the border and uh
00:34:31.400 were part of distributing that across the u.s bringing it to the northeast and um and in fact what's
00:34:38.260 happened over the last few decades especially is that the cartels have transformed they've diversified
00:34:44.220 into many other different forms of of revenue and they have also become um completely unrecognizable
00:34:51.940 from the old drug organizations of old gone are the pablo escobar days what you're looking at today
00:34:57.800 are the most violent and powerful criminal criminal organizations on the face of the earth that's not
00:35:03.540 an overstatement that is literally what you're dealing with they have militarized many of them
00:35:09.660 uh get training from special operations uh forces in other countries like guatemala and uh they also
00:35:16.640 have so much money that they can stay far ahead of law enforcement in any country both in terms of
00:35:24.060 surveillance counter surveillance operational security and of course you know weapons and um and also their
00:35:30.960 ability to function in terms of you know what they do to move uh narcotics and weapons and everything
00:35:37.300 else that they need to move um they also have made strategic partnerships with people like the chinese
00:35:43.180 um u.s adversaries like hezbollah and other terrorist organizations and um what we've been doing while
00:35:52.260 they've been at war with us we've basically been asleep at the wheel um there are individuals who have
00:35:58.440 have tracked this who have seen the transformations of the cartels both in their reach globally because
00:36:04.340 they now control more than 90 percent of the global trade in narcotics but also in terms of their
00:36:09.520 capabilities and uh and we are not paying attention to that we're still using the old law enforcement
00:36:16.360 model to which is basically where u.s jurisdiction ends at the u.s border and so we have to go to the
00:36:23.180 mexican government and we have to ask them on their terms to allow us to operate and take action against
00:36:30.280 the cartels well today the cartels are so powerful they function as a shadow parallel government and
00:36:35.720 they give their orders to the mexican government so what do you think has happened to that well just
00:36:39.920 in the last few months precisely at the very moment that the biden administration opened up the u.s
00:36:45.120 border the mexican government doubled down on their sovereignty and they stripped all u.s agents
00:36:50.700 of immunity from prosecution and they also um made it law for all mexican law enforcement officials
00:36:58.140 to have to go through a fusion cell in the foreign office in order to have any contact and interaction
00:37:04.820 with u.s law enforcement which of course you know that's a that's a death knell for cooperation
00:37:09.440 and for informants and you know for everything that goes along with prosecuting the cartels
00:37:14.500 so that should tell you where the mexican government is and it certainly doesn't explain
00:37:19.020 where where the biden administration is because they um like all the administrations before them
00:37:26.100 allow the border to be defined in terms of immigration and completely leave national security
00:37:31.600 out of the conversation lara is there any is there any realistic way for us to stop this without the
00:37:38.400 help of the mexican government not if you use a law enforcement model because when you have no
00:37:44.520 jurisdiction you're at the mercy of of the country whose sovereign territory you're asking to operate
00:37:50.320 on and so they have to be motivated to do it and look there's more than 30 000 mexican civilians
00:37:57.940 who are massacred every year in mexico by the cartels and that's just the bodies that the mexican
00:38:03.800 government you know owns up to or knows about right there's um there's mexicans buried in unmarked
00:38:09.520 mass graves all across the country i mean everyone knows that the violence of the cartels is like
00:38:15.940 nothing that anyone has ever seen before i mean it even pales in comparison to uh sometimes at times
00:38:22.360 to what um uh terrorist groups like isis have done although some of the tactics are very similar you
00:38:28.020 know they're on your knees in front of guys with guns being beheaded and in fact the cartels it's not
00:38:33.560 enough just to behead you they've got to pull out sledgehammers and obliterate every you know last
00:38:38.060 little piece of your skull and that's tame compared to removing your heart and your limbs while pumping
00:38:44.400 your body full of heroin to keep you alive so that you can watch yourself being you know systematically
00:38:49.220 dismembered oh yeah that's that's and that's you know all the time that is not an exaggeration it is
00:38:55.640 all across mexico it is all the time and 98 percent of murders in mexico go un-investigated that's not
00:39:04.200 un-prosecuted glenn that is un-investigated so what does that do it basically tells you that they
00:39:10.420 operate with impunity so the the you know the the law enforcement guy the policeman the marine the
00:39:16.160 national guardsmen who are trying to do the right thing um who you know who are not in the pocket of
00:39:22.240 the cartels what chance do those guys have they've got no chance you know where they end up in one of
00:39:27.600 those who are these 30 000 people i mean because people will think oh that's crime on crime who are
00:39:35.100 the 30 000 people that are getting killed well it can be anyone i mean if you're in their way
00:39:41.540 you know they they just kill you because they don't there's no consequences for any of this
00:39:46.120 so it can be women it can be children in fact so many women have been killed in mexico that human
00:39:51.120 rights watch had to come up with a term to describe it which was femicides that you know we'd never ever
00:39:57.900 seen so much crime and such violent crime against so many women so and there was a point at which the
00:40:06.220 bridge at juarez which is just across from el paso texas was absolutely plastic with the faces of these
00:40:13.520 missing uh girls you know who are missing because their bodies are often never found or they're melted
00:40:19.740 in vats of acid or they're you know chopped into pieces and thrown to the dogs i mean there's no
00:40:25.080 regard for the living or for the dead and uh as as a father um just said to me recently after his
00:40:32.900 uh daughter-in-law and um grandchildren were burned to death in the mormon family in mexico i mean he said
00:40:40.440 to me i never understood what it meant to have a body i never understood what it meant to be able to say
00:40:46.280 goodbye he said my son came to nothing he came back he had to find his wife and three of his uh
00:40:52.620 have his children uh burned to ashes you know i mean and so that's that's what life is like for
00:40:59.380 many people living in mexico yes um some of the violence is cartel on cartel but even that you know
00:41:06.160 i mean when your options are a lifetime in the dirt in a village in mexico or you're you know or
00:41:12.820 you're going to do what the cartel tells you and and take money home to feed your family it's not
00:41:18.120 even calling it cartel cartel violence doesn't quite explain the reality for everybody
00:41:22.840 and something that's got very little notice uh from any news agency is the fact that they're also
00:41:31.540 killing political candidates this year alone uh 18 have been murdered thus far uh when the elections
00:41:39.360 are coming up i think in june so it's not even safe to be a candidate for office oh no it's in fact
00:41:45.640 that's one of the most dangerous um professions in mexico along with journalists and criminal
00:41:51.660 investigators right and it's actually really interesting that you raise that because it's a
00:41:56.580 very significant point that is constantly overlooked in the conversation about the cartels there's a big
00:42:03.700 you know there's a big tug of war going on between how you fight this how you take this on
00:42:08.360 and of course there are a lot of very good people within homeland security investigations and the
00:42:13.680 dea and other agencies who have given their entire lives to fighting this and they've done amazing work
00:42:20.820 but the reality is that you're using a model that is not effective against the the nature of the
00:42:28.220 threat posed by the cartels i mean these are fully militarized organizations they're extremely
00:42:34.420 well disciplined and they have unlimited resources you know so this is not uh this is not something
00:42:41.940 that you can that you can continue to fight with the same model that over that has seen the
00:42:47.440 transformation of the cartels on your watch and so one of the solutions offered is that the cartels
00:42:54.060 should be designated as uh foreign terrorist organizations because now you shift uh jurisdiction to the
00:43:01.300 department of defense and you change the nature of what it is you're able to bring to the fight
00:43:08.180 and of course the mexican government you know how do you know the cartels don't want that well
00:43:13.000 because the mexican government when it was raised as a possibility by the trump administration went
00:43:18.260 absolutely out of their way uh to do everything possible to stop that from happening and why do i raise
00:43:24.960 this as an answer to your question well very simply this the argument against designating the cartels
00:43:31.180 as foreign terrorist organizations is that they don't have any ideology and therefore they don't
00:43:37.380 meet the standard well it's interesting because there's no doubt that they terrorize people on a daily
00:43:43.860 basis there's no doubt that they use uh terror and fear as an intimidation tactic and also carry out
00:43:51.620 violent criminal acts but there's also no doubt if you look at the number of politicians being targeted
00:43:57.740 that they um seek to install their own government in mexico the fact that the ideology of that government
00:44:05.940 is just really money and power well you know how different does that make them to a whole bunch of
00:44:11.980 people all over the world in government lara we say what we have on our border is a humanitarian crisis
00:44:19.000 because the united states is keeping these these people and these children in uh in you know
00:44:26.920 makeshift cages makeshift jail um that's not the humanitarian issue that i'm really concerned about
00:44:35.340 i'm concerned about what's happening to these kids and these families before they get here when
00:44:42.180 they start dealing with a drug cartel and after they leave us well the way i look at it is this
00:44:50.420 if you're going to care about if you're going to make the border all about the humanitarian issue
00:44:54.760 then then you have to be consistent and so you have to look at the humanitarian issue all the way as you
00:45:00.900 just mentioned you can't be selective about it of course in the last administration uh the press
00:45:06.440 and also elected officials were extremely selective about it because they made a big deal about the
00:45:13.380 cages which uh were built by the obama administration and were chain link fence is how it got the name
00:45:19.820 and the border patrol used chain link fence because they said for the safety and security of everyone
00:45:25.640 inside they needed to be able to um see what was happening inside the holding facilities and of course now
00:45:33.300 there's no outrage over the fact that they're still being held and in the same conditions and in the
00:45:37.980 same facilities that um that are not built to house people long term but there are so many um you know
00:45:45.260 it's interesting that you that you you talk about that because there are people in mexico um one woman
00:45:52.080 that i know who work with um migrants and uh families and people along their journey when they get to mexico
00:45:59.300 and of course the conditions are terrible i know a border patrol um agent who just saved someone
00:46:05.000 from being raped just a few weeks ago there's um there's uh reports today um in fact i just received it
00:46:12.280 from a law enforcement source down there of a baby a few months old that was rescued from the river
00:46:18.420 after the smugglers threw her in and they uh they uh are reported to have beaten her mother
00:46:24.780 and um uh and broken her leg so um i mean there is there is no doubt um i've spoken to so many
00:46:34.300 different agents who tell me stories of women a pregnant woman once who had been raped so many
00:46:40.120 times along the way they they took her the agent took her to the hospital and said she didn't want
00:46:44.660 to let go of him because he was literally the first person she'd seen in months who wasn't abusing her
00:46:49.580 and so some of these agents form you know relationships with some of these people just
00:46:54.140 where they they check on them and and keep in touch i mean we we've done something really truly evil as
00:47:00.900 a nation um over the last few years we have demonized every border patrol um agent for political
00:47:08.120 purposes not because it was real not because it was honest not because of the humanitarian issues
00:47:13.220 but for political reasons and to me i don't know i'm i i don't i'm not a person that has all the
00:47:19.260 answers if i had answers i would be you know in government or in policy or whatever i wouldn't
00:47:23.600 be a journalist my i'm really good at pointing out all the problems but mostly because my job is to
00:47:29.900 figure out what it's really like the conditions along the way are terrible there's no question
00:47:35.580 about that the number of rapes um are extraordinary the the violence and it's not just women who are
00:47:42.140 raped it's also men but and and then you know the conditions in the facilities they're not great but
00:47:48.000 you're going to cross someone's border you're going to be put in um some form of holding facility
00:47:53.940 or detention facility if you cross anyone's border illegally most people though in the u.s
00:47:59.380 i'll tell you the vast majority coming over that border right now are being released into the u.s
00:48:05.740 and their airfare is being paid and um and they're being given massive amounts of assistance and
00:48:12.480 don't be fooled we know when you hear that ngos and humanitarian organizations are helping that is
00:48:17.920 true but many of those organizations get money get federal funding for that purpose so your tax
00:48:25.320 dollars are being paid and used an extraordinary amount of taxpayer money and i i don't say that you
00:48:32.300 know i'm a person who my heart breaks when i see these children and these families and the the
00:48:38.400 mothers and the fathers right i'm not a person uh that only that thinks it's only the women that
00:48:44.680 matter or only the women that suffer you know i mean human suffering is painful for me but at the
00:48:51.140 same time i'm also very much aware that there is a huge amount of suffering in the u.s already the uh
00:48:59.420 the response of the government to the uh coronavirus has really created in this country a devastating
00:49:06.560 economic situation and uh and there is you know there's a lot of people in this country who are
00:49:12.140 going through similar things to people down um at the southern crossing the southern border
00:49:17.260 laura logan thank you so much laura logan has no agenda the name of the show on fox nation
00:49:23.920 thank you for joining us we'll talk to you again my friend