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A story about an old man who won the lottery and even won much bigger and much, much bigger. And he had no idea how much it was worth. It turns out it was a lot more than he thought.
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well welcome to the podcast uh today and stew decide i came i came to the table with a happy
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story i came to the story at the table with a very heartwarming wonderful story about an old
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man that won the lottery and even won much bigger and stew wrecked it that's what my that's my job
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is here ruin the positive thoughts of others the unfortunate part is he's right about all of it
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and laura logan is with us you have to hear um laura logan respected journalist well respected up
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until recently now i don't know how respected she is um but she's talking about what's happening on
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the border and really the best everybody who wants to be a journalist should listen to this five or
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six minute segment of of laura explaining how you're supposed to do journalism miley cyrus licks a cake
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and the whole walrus thing you know they're jumping off cliffs committing suicide because
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they're so upset about global warming uh apparently not true wait until you hear how the netflix people
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actually seemingly had a role in pushing these walruses over the cliff it's amazing all on today's
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podcast you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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so just uh leading the life of luxury the swinging bachelor i'm on my uh on my way as a swinging
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bachelor who is married uh on my way driving to the uh the lottery office to pick up my fifty thousand
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dollar check now this is what this guy in north carolina was doing he he said he was he went to
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play powerball and his granddaughter had given him a fortune cookie and on the bottom of the fortune cookie
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were numbers so he decided you know what i'm gonna play those numbers and so he did
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somehow or another when he was on his way to pick up what he thought was fifty thousand dollars
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it turns out it was a little more and as he's looking at the numbers now he doesn't watch tv he
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says so he doesn't pay attention to any of this um and he saw as he i guess as he was driving uh he saw
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the numbers for the powerball and he realizes i think i won more now he didn't know how much he had
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no idea he just played powerball he didn't know what the jackpot was nothing his his granddaughter
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just giving him some numbers so he just played it so he's on the way and he calls up the office and
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he's like you know what i i think i have i think i have all of the numbers i was coming in to pick up
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fifty thousand i think it might be more i think i have all of the numbers and they said uh yeah you do
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and he said wow how much is it worth how much is it worth uh they said well more than fifty thousand
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it's uh three hundred and forty four million quote he said quote dang i got them all
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i love that he said he called his uh he called his wife and said you ain't gonna believe this but
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i got it all now he says he hopes that the windfalls don't change him he's going to give a million
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dollars to his brother i mean how about something for granddaughter i mean she was the one that brought
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you the cookie a million dollars to his brother uh to make good on a deal apparently they may
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donate to charities yada yada yada uh he took the lump sum of two hundred and twenty three million
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dollars he said uh i'm still gonna wear my jeans just maybe i'll wear some newer ones
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i think it's fantastic i don't understand though if you were if you win fifty thousand dollars i think
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that does that mean you've won you've hit five or six you know i don't know how many numbers you've
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hit but you've hit a lot of the numbers right aren't you sitting there staring at that thing a hundred
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times when you've hit for fifty thousand dollars to check it and you miss the fact that you won
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three hundred million dollars well maybe maybe it was the powerball number that he didn't check because
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he wasn't he's not a lotto player right he's not he wasn't playing it for the powerball he just you
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know probably went into a convenience store put those numbers in and just saw oh wow i got the five
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right and didn't i i don't know i i don't know how that happened yeah but he he wasn't playing it
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you know to win the three hundred and forty four million he did he had no idea how much it was
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worth that's incredible that's a good day it's a type of thing that if i'm working at the lottery
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uh you know the headquarters and someone calls me and says i think i won fifty thousand dollars but
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i'm looking at the numbers i think i have them all what i say is come directly to my desk and i will
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give you the fifty thousand dollars in exchange for the ticket and then you need to leave immediately
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just ask for me yes don't go to someone else because they might do so you don't know what's
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gonna happen you can trust me around here yeah and then you take the you give them 50 grand
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somehow i might give him 51 yeah we're giving you a tip yeah i just want you to know you're getting
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a great deal here and he walks out you turn it in 344 mil yeah that's the way to play that i think
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i'd still take the lump sum because they the officials might be coming to look for me so i'd take the lump
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sum and when i say i it would be somebody else not related to me that would show up for the check
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i'm just saying why do we sit here every time and talk about it as if it's 344 million when it's
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really 223 million well it's not even wait wait wait it's not even that you can take the 344 over 20
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years or whatever right it's just a silly you know like yeah we'll give you first of all almost
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everyone takes the lump sum uh which there's some question about whether that's a good idea for some
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people uh i think most people yeah i mean uh there there's there's been some because it's always been
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statistically you should take the 300 or the 223 million because you could it pays off in the long
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term but they see the way that people use it and it's like maybe you should be guaranteed a payment
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next year maybe that's a good thing in 19 years you're still there's still a payment coming in
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uh i think that's uh there's a question about that i think if i believed in if i believed that
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money and these and these states and lotteries and everything else would actually stand yeah then
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i probably would take it over time it would be stupid to do it but i would probably take it over
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time because i'd be like i don't know i mean i want something left for my kids and we right you'll
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250 million dollars i could see myself going what it's only 50 million dollars you know five times six
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times right someone's gonna scam you into a real estate investment that doesn't exist right you know
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yes but i mean i just they always say this 344 million it's like let's be honest about it's 223
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million well if you want to take it over a very long period of time you'll get a interest essentially
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right like but again you have to also factor in inflation and all those other things a payment in
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20 years it's a lot different than a payment today well but let's be real i mean why do we say
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it's 223 million dollars when it's actually about 112 that's true where does he live again he lives in
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north carolina yeah that's not you're gonna lose a lot you're gonna lose you lose about half
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you have a 40 yeah at the end of the day you're gonna lose around half of it right and then of
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course every time you spend it you lose more and uh this is a depressing story it is yes we've ruined
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this story we had a we had a happy grandfather who had retired you know this guy's life is over is
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what i'm saying boy it'd hate to be you jack i hope you can buy a nice coffin with it
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oh i'm sorry i tried to start looking he wrecked it okay let me try this let me try this here's a
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guy that should not win the lottery tracy morgan comedian yes okay okay who would have thunk that
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tracy morgan would go out and buy a new bugatti okay but he bought a new bugatti and it was two
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million dollars and he bought it at bugatti in manhattan now here's your first shopping around
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for the lower price bugatti apparently um now here's the thing if you're buying a bugatti
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don't live in manhattan okay what what are you gonna do you're gonna drive it three and a half
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miles an hour right and stop and go traffic with giant potholes and people you know hitting you
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know in the hey back up i'm gonna ride away here i mean it's not a pleasant place to be
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with any car it sucks to drive there anyway yeah bugatti i can't imagine especially with that like
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that gigantic engine you're talking a thousand horsepower and that thing trying to do a manual
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shift going around you know 44th street like that's not it's just ridiculous it's just ridiculous
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okay so um he he he was driving his car for about 10 minutes in manhattan he just closed your eyes
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because you know what's coming what did he do 10 minutes nothing a woman in a late model honda crv
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tried to make a right turn from the left lane and crashed into his bugatti and scraped it and graded
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against the entire side okay he gets out of the car and he's like what were you thinking
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she was like i don't know he's like this is i've had this car for 10 minutes and it's a bugatti
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oh i'm sorry looks pretty what does that mean it's a two million dollar car
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oh my gosh so it he literally had it for about 30 minutes from the time he drove off the lot
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and signed the deal 30 minutes total before she took and just destroyed his bugatti
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she's got insurance though right i mean uh she's got liability insurance surely that will cover
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i'm sure that will cover the 1.89 million dollar car oh god one point oh i know it's a convertible
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so it's it's it's not only it's used so you got to expect some dings uh it's used so that's why it
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was 1.8 million dollars this is this was cheap for the bugatti because it's a convertible which
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apparently is very rare very rare right and so he's driving it for the first 10 minutes i think
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i think that's worse than the worst lottery winner i mean because that just shows how stupid you are
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don't buy a bugatti in manhattan especially if you're tracy morgan who should stay out of all
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automobiles right like the he was the guy who he almost died in a massive car crash like his
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why are you even get it you should live in the city remember that oh my god that's his whole
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that's the you know he was you know because he did saturday night live and he was on 30 rock right
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he had like you know a bunch of stuff and he almost got killed it was in uh 2014 ish oh wow
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and he was almost killed in a giant wreck it was on the new jersey turnpike and uh get out of that
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area yeah get leave get out of that area here's an idea iowa okay kansas here's an idea subways
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if you're gonna live there take a subway it's a scary thing when the subway is the safe alternative
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i'm telling you we lived we lived in new york for a while the last thing you want is a nice car
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what you do is you just go buy a junker because i literally saw i literally saw a car take the
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bumper the front bumper off of a taxi cab at about 65 miles an hour on i think it was i think it was
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like 42nd street and it's just bare it was like two o'clock in the morning and i'm walking down the
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street and i see this car there's nothing it's all green lights and i see this this uh this car it was
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actually the reverse it was a car and a taxi cab came up behind it and this car was just you know
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an out-of-town person like i don't know 42nd street i'm trying to find 41st where is that do i take a left
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and so it's just puttering down the street and this cab comes and it just clips it it's it's got
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to be going 60 70 miles an hour and it just clips the front of this car and the bumpers catch on each
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other and it pulls the bumper off the other car and so now the bumper is just kind of like spinning
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in the middle of the road the guy in the cab didn't even tap on his brakes that's that's manhattan
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okay you buy a crappy car and you park it and when you come back and it's like burned to the
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ground and everything is gone you're like huh and you move on right exactly just move on you go to
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walk down the street in new york you'll see those little rubber like things that you put in your
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trunk and they hang over your bumper because you your bumper gets hit randomly so often right that
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people just protect when they park they put a little piece of rubber just hang over there so
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hopefully the car i guess bounces off you just need like a you need nerf you just need a nerf car
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yeah you know just just take a piece of crap and then take a bunch of nerf footballs and just tape
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them all around your car and you have a chance that when you get out of new york you still have
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a really crappy car with tape marks where you and that's good that's a good way to get out of new york
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with your car the best of the glenn beck program
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hi it's glenn if you're a subscriber to the podcast can you do us a favor and rate us on itunes
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thanks hello pat hello glenn so you are you are unleashed about uh well i i was kind of interested
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in the fact that uh lou dobbs is calling out republicans uh for being traitors because they're
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not supporting uh donald trump's tariffs and i thought when since when are republicans traitors
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for being free trade people what time did that monologue happen uh you know i they're cowards
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and traitors and they are uh committing suicide and bringing down the country with them well i mean
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i will say that lou dobbs has always been a tariff guy uh from back in the day i mean he was never
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been a conservative i know but he's always been a big tariff guy going back to his years at cnn
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he knows for a fact that republicans have not been tariff no of course how do you not at least
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include that in the analysis right i mean he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't bake that into
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anything it's been the exact opposite position of every one of these people that's been elected
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for the past 50 years and you know of course obviously the pro-union left has been the ones
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asking for tariffs all this time uh so they're talking they say that the the tariffs as as requested
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by trump if if implemented and again we hope this is a which ones the mexican the mexican
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ones just the mexican ones if implemented and we hope it's a negotiation we know how this stuff
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works uh because you know trump threatens these things and hopefully they don't come to pass
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but if they do it would be the largest tax increase in 35 years wow really that's a big number yeah it
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is now of course that's on top of other tariffs in addition it's on top of a big tax cut right so it's
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it doesn't mean that we when he started to when we would be here would be the biggest tax increase but
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from where we are right now to the end of these mexican tariffs would be the biggest tax increase
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in 35 years and i just don't i don't know why you know again like this is i know something he believes
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and it's something that you know conservatives have disagreed with the entire time i've been alive
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but but but until now until now that that they have all fallen apart they i mean the arguments have
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completely fallen apart we won that one we won that one even the democrats were against tariffs you know i
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mean it was it was not something it was old think and and you know i'm i'm i'm happy to see
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first of all aren't tariffs something that the president needs the senate for no i mean tariffs
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so he's going to do it the way he's going to do this is interesting and and one another reason why
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it's going to be a problem he's basically going to have to do another emergency declaration
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to get the tariffs through now we know we had an issue with the last one and a lot of our listeners
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did as well and that like we really think the border is a big deal we really want the wall but
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like is this the right way to do it if you remember a bunch of republicans voted against him on that
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just not enough to get to override the video veto here you have a serious uh issue where apparently in
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the meeting there were no people no senators on trump's side in the meeting when it comes to when
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it came to the tariffs and this is something that should go through congress but he's trying to
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circumvent that process again well well he might i mean sort of yeah i mean because again like trade
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authority in the constitution is congress yeah it's supposed to be through congress congress gave a lot of
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this authority to the president however the president has to justify it so to justify it his his approach
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here is going to likely be and we don't know for sure he hasn't released this certainty but this is
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what the white house white house sources are saying is that he would have to go through another
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emergency declaration which would either be amending the one that already exists or creating a brand new
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emergency uh declaration so again the congress would have a chance to override it there is no evidence
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that republicans would stand up to him to the numbers to to get to 67 votes and this also includes the
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house would have to also get to two-thirds there's no evidence on any issue no they wouldn't stand up
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that they would stand up to trump so either so i mean like they they most of this is them just
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talking a big game they want to say they're trying to hopefully influence trump before these things go
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into effect maybe they can move him maybe they can delay them these are the games that they play
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in reality is the republican congress going to over overturn a veto from donald trump on anything i think
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the answer is no i don't especially they all talk a big game but they they're not going to do that
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and like you know a lot of the stuff they shouldn't be overturning trump's done a lot of really good things
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this one in particular though has been against the philosophy of the party for at least 50 years
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so the the problem is is that you you uh donald trump is under such attack right now uh and has been the
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whole time that anything that even sounds like you're against him you're immediately tossed to the side
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yeah that's true you know i came out for justin amash just just to say i think he's a good guy and i
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think he believes in the constitution which is all true by the way i'm against impeachment and what he
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said about impeachment and i'm against him running in 2020 that doesn't seem to matter not to breitbart
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or anybody else they're just saying oh glenn beck wants impeachment no no are you on the trump train
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or not well all we're saying maybe i'm not on anybody's train i'm not on anybody's train justin
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amash is a solid conservative he's a solid conservative he has his problems he has some
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things that i disagree with you know when it comes to israel etc etc i disagree with those things but
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i'm fine with that you we should disagree with things i mean we we can't you'll never be in
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lockstep with everybody but that doesn't mean but he's got a hundred percent rating from freedom
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works yeah i know i know i know i know yeah so to to throw we can't throw people away like this
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we can't throw people away we're eating our own and we're seeing this happen now do you see how they
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are just coming after joe biden yeah oh my god yeah today there's a bunch of new stories about it
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plagiarism and he's lying about the civil rights marching is all of that there was the editorial that
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came out about how you know we need a jfk we need a younger guy with vision this is yeah we don't
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need another hillary clinton i mean they are coming after him they also dug up a when he was 29 years
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old and running and that he used all these attacks of i guess how old he was yeah i've like you know
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they're like my opponent was fighting polio i'm fighting you know like it's totally ridiculous and
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he wound up winning the race by i think 3 000 votes it was a very close race uh but yeah they
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i mean look you expect a field of 24 they realize he's ahead the latest polls have him his lead
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shrinking a little bit so it'll be interesting to see if any of this 32 18 is the last one i've seen
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still a nice big still he's still 14 points it's his to lose right yes if he was a great candidate
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then he's not which he's not he's a terrible candidate he loses you know i mean he's lost every time
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he's tried to run for president and really been buried you know yeah two times yeah if he if he
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has a chance i mean this is his chance to win he walks in here as a with a massive lead he's got a
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field of 27 24 people 17 of which are at zero or one percent so i mean there is not a lot like the
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field feels really big but there's not a lot of competitors there even when they when he came out
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for their pet project uh the climate change stuff yesterday they bashed him on that because that
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that was plagiarized he didn't give credit to the person who wrote that bill did aoc have to put
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up with that when she released they don't believe him on that they want a a hardcore socialist yeah
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they do you know they want did you see what aoc said yesterday about about uh your right to a profit
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yeah yeah that it's not a right before your privilege of profit comes the right to everyone
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having a decent house she's frightening she's terrifying but the people you know behind her
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the same people behind bernie sanders and they're the same people behind you know i'm pretty much all
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of them except for joe biden and biden i read or read a very sad article the other day about how
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the relationship between biden and obama and that like obama apparently you know encouraged him
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pretty strongly not to run in 2016 because they you know it was hillary's thing and she's the one
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that's going to do this and blah blah blah so their team really came at him and of course he was going
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through his the death of his son so he found a way to not run essentially and of course like
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you know and regretted it yeah who knows what would have happened obviously yeah um now there's been
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these conversations you know you have people a lot of the obama people have moved on to other campaigns
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they're working for other candidates obama is not coming out and and endorsing anyone he's just
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kind of hanging back and he's helped he has helped and this is a big thing he did give the 2012 email
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list to joe biden which is huge i mean as far as fundraising and everything else so it's not like
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there's been no cooperation but like there's just no but he's not he's not yeah he's not supporting him
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yeah it's sad other than the email list because obama can't obama is looked at as well i don't think
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he wants to either i don't think so either but he's he's looked at on the left is almost a glenn
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back now he is not fashionable with them at all no he is not the guy who they look at him as like
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you were kind of a traitor like i use yourself as someone who's unfashionable look biden's still
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winning the primary so i mean no i know that it's not that unfashionable but did you see no no i'm
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saying i'm saying barack obama that barack obama is out of fashion with the left he's no longer
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he's not a socialist although i think i think he is he's just he had the opportunity he wasn't a
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revolutionary yeah he's got a big i mean his you think about what is a picking a vice president it
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is a one person presidential election you wrote barack obama got to select essentially his successor
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right if something happens to him who's the one person in the in the united states i want to be
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president he picked joe biden now he's not endorsing joe biden like it is amazing right and do you guys
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see when they asked him about that when they asked biden why isn't uh barack obama endorsing
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you i i didn't want him to yeah i asked him not to and then he said and besides he didn't and then
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he stops himself offer but yeah he didn't want to endorse me but i told him no i don't want your
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endorsement i look i want to give the rest of these kids a fighting chance and that would just
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make it too unfair that's that's ridiculous it's it's asinine and it is ridiculous from obama obama
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should be endorsing him yeah he's he made that he told us he stood in front of the american people
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and said hey if i if i get sick if i get injured if i if i can keep his doctor no no not that oh you
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cannot keep your doctor but you can keep joe biden if i have to leave office for whatever reason
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the one person who should lead this country is joe biden but i don't think anybody listened to that
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because if that was it if i get sick he followed it with i can keep my doctor if i get sick you can
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keep joe biden we wouldn't have obamacare today if that was the promise
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in courage laura logan joins us now laura nice to nice to meet you and nice to have you on the
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program well thank you for having me i appreciate it um let's let's get right into what you're doing
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recently and then i'd like to kind of open it up to uh more broad on uh on the media and what to
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expect and what we can what we can do to change things but you've been down on our border uh and
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strangely you have a different report than what the mainstream media is giving everyone
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well you know to be honest i don't watch uh what the mainstream media is giving everybody
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especially when i'm working right because my job is well i'm focused on doing my job yeah i'm not
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i'm not too worried about what other people are doing and a wise old correspondent told me many years ago
00:27:06.260
that he you know every day he goes out and he does his best and he doesn't worry about his
00:27:10.680
competition and some days he's the best and some days uh he's not so um but it's not surprising to
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me that it's different because i know where i go um people all the time along the border in all
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different capacities keep saying nobody is telling our story nobody is is is talking about this nobody's
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telling the truth of you know it's not that people are lying about the border it's not that there's
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it's just that there's more than one story the only story is not simply a story of you know of um
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of poor people who want to move to the united states to improve their lives that is one part of the
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story and it's a very important part of the story and i can honestly tell you i've had moments where
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you know i've been flying into my um my basically my pretty uh crappy bed in my pretty crappy hotel
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at night and i've uh just about wanted to cry thinking about the people who don't um don't even
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know you know the people i've seen with their children and all the rest of it i mean i've got a
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big heart and that breaks my heart but it's only one part of the story so you know my job as a reporter
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has always been to understand the full context and cover as much of the story as i can and that's all
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i'm trying to do so there are there are the the sins of omission and i think that's what people
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are committing by saying that this is the only part of the story and you're right i've been down
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at the border myself and you know we raised we raised money to bring you know food and comfort down to
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some of the children that were there in in uh during the obama administration i tried to get the
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media to pay attention to the cages you're not allowed to talk about that i know i know i know but it
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it doesn't happen and and it it shows this real bias and i i don't want to dwell on this one words
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for you i've got one words for you i have actually spoken to people down there right across law
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enforcement and border patrol who actually talk about when in a in a certain point in the obama
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administration when they no longer wanted to deal with the deporter in chief title and the problem
00:29:15.540
of all the children that they had in detention basically in prison don't that some people like to
00:29:20.800
so-called cages um what did they do to actually border patrol agents then had orders where they
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would have to intercept people who they found coming over the border in certain parts and they
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would have to escort them back down to the border and send them back don't apprehend them don't create
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a statistic don't create a problem for us let's just push you over the border then and pretend that this
00:29:46.360
is not happening that i can't say how widespread that was i can't say that it was everywhere but
00:29:53.320
i can tell you that it did happen and more than once so what is it that you're that people are saying
00:29:59.620
nobody's telling this story what are the important stories that we're not hearing well first and foremost
00:30:05.920
um what what people just leave out of the narrative is that this is almost like a theater it's not
00:30:12.920
it's a performance not for the people who are living it because they are they are like their pawns um it's a
00:30:21.220
theater for the cartels yes they make an enormous amount of money out of all the people that cross because
00:30:27.040
they take most of the smuggling fees they don't run the smuggling operations they're way too smart for that
00:30:32.320
they have professional human smuggling operations human trafficking organizations that are global who do the
00:30:38.700
smuggling for them but they pay most uh an enormous amount of what they earn they pay that to the
00:30:45.560
cartels the cartels decide the mexican cartels decide who crosses where they cross when they cross
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and so if you imagine you're a pilot and you can see the whole border from the air um that's really how
00:30:57.280
the cartels operate you know it's divided up into the three main cartels now the sinaloa cartel the
00:31:02.680
delft cartel and what used to be called the zetas that's now cartel del nostre del nostre but um those
00:31:09.260
are the three main cartels that control the traffic and the reason you have people coming in all these
00:31:14.340
difficult places one of the reasons a big reason is that the cartels know if they split the resources
00:31:22.060
of border patrol if um if you've got a group of five people a group of ten people and they all run in
00:31:28.080
different directions how many agents does it now take to stop them you know so that's exactly what
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they're doing they're splitting the resources pilots have described to me for example in parts of the
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border seeing uh groups of anywhere between 50 and 200 crossing at exactly the state at the same time
00:31:45.180
at the crossing points sort of you know 100 yards um from each other right so imagine in five different
00:31:52.060
places separated by 100 yards you have hundreds of people so what does that do in one tiny little
00:32:00.160
tiny little town on the border in uh texas on the rio grande valley they have they have border patrol
00:32:07.220
facilities that are built to house a maximum of 116 people last weekend they had over 1100 over 1100
00:32:16.260
in one weekend and they have people every single day and that's just one weekend this has been going on
00:32:21.340
for months and months and months so in these places where people get um you know uh people get told
00:32:28.380
all the time texans for example texans are a bunch of racist rednecks right and texas don't care about
00:32:33.920
people look they don't recognize the children of illegal immigrants born in the country look at all
00:32:37.720
the evil things people in texas do they put illegal immigrants under bridges in terrible weather to
00:32:42.880
suffer well literally you've got border patrol agents looking at at me with desperation saying
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we don't know where else to put people you've got um churches in el paso who the ngos have run out of
00:32:56.720
capacity right the ngos that come from new york and other parts of the country that like to do
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interviews in the paper sometimes about everything they're doing down on the border except they've run
00:33:06.980
out of capacity and um it's the local people in many of these places who are um trying to bear you know to
00:33:14.720
help in some ways and the other you know there's another really important thing that that um gets
00:33:20.560
left out of the narrative which um is that the large majority of border patrol agents are hispanic
00:33:27.960
americans or mexican americans or whatever you want to call them they're not you know it's not just um
00:33:33.780
these evil white men who are trying to um stop people coming into this this country it's not that at
00:33:40.860
all in fact it's much more complex and in some of these towns the vast majority of the people who
00:33:46.320
live there are hispanic american and um and and you know texas itself has a history that's very much
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wrapped up in mexico and the first president of texas was mexican and when you look at the history
00:34:00.700
here these these um two people they you know i'm not painting a picture of nirvana there's always issues
00:34:06.000
between people but it's very different to what people say it is from a distance it's the reality
00:34:11.440
is is not much like that at all and i have i have um i have yet to meet anyone who wants these uh
00:34:20.140
people to suffer or who is deliberately cruel to people and you know my experience is limited to
00:34:25.000
my experience you know but um but i will tell you this when you say these people are pawns they are
00:34:32.680
they're being i feel horrible for them because if in in in some cases not all cases but in many cases
00:34:40.120
i think if i were on the other side of the border and i saw that america really didn't care about its
00:34:46.320
borders and they were going to give away free citizenship and i could get my family there and
00:34:52.380
my family doesn't we're living in a town that maybe has violence but doesn't have any real chance for
00:34:58.260
my kids you're damn right i'd be over here i would absolutely do it because i would think that
00:35:04.120
america didn't really care and they were offering citizenship so take that chance for my children to
00:35:11.280
be able to have a better life that that they those people are being preyed on by all these different
00:35:18.140
groups that have all different agendas including the drug cartels that are holding back some family
00:35:25.720
members and saying look we're gonna sell you this and we'll bring them over you do us a favor we'll do
00:35:31.100
you a favor and then we'll send your your relative over and i mean we're importing people and enslaving
00:35:37.340
people to to some of these drug cartels oh no we're doing the bidding of the drug cartels yes whether
00:35:44.100
wittingly or unwittingly that's happening um and i can tell you i can add to what you're saying glenn
00:35:50.180
how about if you were watching or listening to commercials on the radio which tell you go to
00:35:55.660
america you're going to get a house you're going to get land you're going to get a job you're going
00:35:59.520
to get this or that and then add to that the fact that you know i mean one of um one of my most trusted
00:36:06.760
most at the person that i respect most in the world my producer max mcclellan he went and did a story in
00:36:12.920
a series of reports in honduras he was actually with a family when they said goodbye to their 15 year old
00:36:19.300
daughter and sent her to a better life in america and you can imagine right i mean he's a dad he's
00:36:24.840
got a daughter i have two daughters and a son i mean what could be more heartbreaking than that
00:36:29.320
i mean it's it's really painful for me to even imagine being in that situation but they don't even
00:36:36.040
know if their daughter is actually going to a real job in america there's so much sex trafficking and
00:36:43.100
you imagine sending your 15 year old daughter into nobody does that unless they are absolutely
00:36:49.880
desperate or they um have no other options right nobody nobody i mean the family the you know the
00:36:55.800
mother was sobbing the father was crying the daughter was crying you can imagine that's a very
00:37:00.320
painful thing so but her chance she has a significant chance of being raped along the way when people come
00:37:06.600
from latin america they get to the first stash house inside of mexico people get raped at the
00:37:11.040
stash houses and then there's another stash house you know there's other stash houses all along the
00:37:15.740
way but right on the um mexican side close to the border and then more stash houses when you cross the
00:37:21.680
border and i've um you know i've been looking at doing stories on this we have reports of different
00:37:26.760
people who get raped at every one of those locations along the way and then you know but we still
00:37:32.900
we're still trying to find someone who has been through that to talk about it because these things are
00:37:37.300
very difficult to cover and also because um because you know it's very easy to tear these um stories apart
00:37:44.120
this is here i have one for you this is the only time in my career as a journalist a professional
00:37:50.420
where i have uh looked at um at the statistics of rape and sexual abuse right trying to figure out
00:37:58.660
okay how many how prevalent is this what exactly are the facts how what is the chance when you get on
00:38:06.460
that journey that this is going to happen to you how bad is it truly right and in this case um
00:38:12.680
this is one case where the media by and large says oh you can't prove that this is happening
00:38:19.140
oh you know yes there was this msf medicine the ngo they did a big study on it and they found that
00:38:26.000
you know at least 30 percent of uh of the women um making this journey get raped or sexually assaulted
00:38:32.340
but what do you have um many journalists turning around and saying then well they took a sample
00:38:37.980
of people um on their way to the u.s in mexico they didn't you know take everybody and they didn't
00:38:44.220
take everybody from every different country and so you get 15 reasons why the msf statistic is not
00:38:50.040
representative well you know isn't the standard the way we normally in the media treat rape and
00:38:55.320
sexual assault figures we always say it's the most underreported crime don't we doesn't that sound
00:39:00.340
familiar and it's just a small i'm only making it's a small irony that i that i noticed when i was
00:39:06.140
researching this story i thought wow all my professional life you know wherever i've been
00:39:11.440
people have said that uh there's you know if that's the official figure you can bet it's higher
00:39:17.000
more than that yes now here you have people actually defending human traffickers defending cartels
00:39:23.380
defending coyotes who rape people and saying well you know it's we we can't trust that so because it's not
00:39:30.080
fully representative you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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00:39:58.120
uh their series uh our planet it's documentary uh and it's david attenborough blah blah blah and
00:40:04.220
everybody thinks oh it's beautiful and it's got all kinds of great information in it oh my gosh
00:40:07.920
these walruses are committing suicide uh there is a there is a researcher a zoologist with 35 years
00:40:15.900
of experience uh especially on arctic animals uh and um she said no no this is just netflix and
00:40:23.440
they're tragedy porn the climate hoax uh i don't know if you can put your kids in front of our
00:40:29.260
planet and just say oh yeah watch this it's great because it's full of nonsense uh and they're they're
00:40:36.340
saying these walruses are you know falling to their death because they're starving to death and there's
00:40:42.080
no ice and it's very sad it's awful to watch but she said that's not what's happening uh and susan is
00:40:48.700
with us now hello susan how are you i'm just fine thanks good morning uh so so tell me about the
00:40:54.600
walruses that are i mean just plunging to their death because there's no ice well in fact um the
00:41:01.960
whole the hollows of walrus these are mostly mothers with their calves um on these arctic beaches um
00:41:10.160
they're really natural events that are not caused by lack of sea ice they've always happened
00:41:16.540
and the the um herds come on on onto the shore um in large numbers because the walruses are more
00:41:27.720
abundant now than they were even uh um 50 years ago okay so they have they're like a boom and bust
00:41:36.780
society aren't they when yes they they go ahead no i was just going to say that that they they have
00:41:44.500
a tendency to the population builds higher and higher um and then but then it out they outstrip
00:41:51.780
their food supply and then animals starve and the population goes down until the um food supply can
00:41:59.640
rebuild and mostly they're eating clams and things like that that live on the uh bottom of the ocean
00:42:05.160
so what is this this haul out is what does that mean the haul out well walruses are purred animals they
00:42:14.880
really like to um stick together and in fact they really prefer to be tightly packed and so they um
00:42:23.960
group together the haul out just means grouping together and so when uh when there's sea ice available
00:42:30.800
they will haul out on the on the ice in fairly large groups and at other times they will haul out
00:42:38.480
on beaches and but they don't um they have been hauling out on beaches since the 1800s there's been
00:42:48.620
records going back um that of those haul outs both on the um coast of russia um near the bering sea and
00:42:57.720
also on the coast of alaska so this is a behavior that's quite natural for them and it really isn't
00:43:05.360
sea ice dependent it's something that happens in the late summer and fall um on a fairly regular basis
00:43:12.540
and so they've been doing this since we've started noticing them and and recording them and they go up
00:43:18.880
onto the beach or onto the rocks and they're all uh tightly packed in and and is it just kind of like
00:43:27.980
a whole bunch of you know puppies on a bed and you know somebody moves and another person moves and one
00:43:33.140
of the puppies would fall off the bed i mean they're not committing suicide and they're they're just they're
00:43:38.220
just so packed tightly that is that what's happening exactly exactly and and the other thing is that they
00:43:45.020
they're also quite easily spooked at that point in time because these are mostly mothers with their
00:43:51.060
calves they're very protective and if if one of the animals at the back of the pack sort of on the beach
00:43:58.980
side gets frightened and starts heading for the water because that's their natural instinct when
00:44:04.680
they're frightened then they sort of push the herd ahead of them and in fact hundreds of animals can be
00:44:11.800
trampled even along a flat beach but if they've managed to get themselves up onto a high cliff then
00:44:19.760
there's no alternative to but to fall over the edge and it's not only certain that that's what happened
00:44:28.440
um in the netflix video but we know from um reports that were um issued in the newspaper that
00:44:37.280
there was and polar bears had actually spooked walruses off the same cliff that was filmed in
00:44:45.120
that video two days before it was filmed so wait a minute so wait because in that film it shows all
00:44:50.840
these walruses down at the bottom of the pile of rocks and you think oh my gosh they're just they're
00:44:56.360
just all dying and wish there was just an ice slope there to just gently push them back in the water
00:45:02.020
but you're saying not only is it normal and natural for them to go up on the rocks and then
00:45:08.380
have no place to go but over the cliff but you're saying that that big pile was also partly caused by
00:45:15.420
polar bears and them up at the top of the cliff going oh crap oh crap oh crap and backing up over
00:45:20.460
the cliff yes absolutely oh my gosh yeah and because we know that there was this incident that was
00:45:28.320
initiated by polar bears um that happened just two days before we know that most of those
00:45:36.500
animals that were filmed um the carcass because our carcasses laying along the beach um almost
00:45:43.360
certainly happened that in the from the polar bear spooked incident and what we think happened was that
00:45:52.280
there were members from um world wildlife foundation or um the wwf who were on site at the time and part of
00:46:02.880
the whole netflix team called that the film crew in to come and film the walruses oh my gosh and so it was
00:46:13.800
really a whole contrived setup and in looking at what was happening we know that there were still polar
00:46:21.980
bears in the area i've seen the film in fact the closing shot shows a polar bear coming out of the
00:46:29.060
water onto the beach to feed on the walruses the dead walruses and but when you're looking at how the
00:46:38.480
the whole footage was shot um there's a a cameraman positioned just about at the place where the walruses
00:46:47.340
could have come safely down from the cliff but that was that way was blocked and if there were still
00:46:54.660
polar bears in the area they could have been coming up from on the back side of the cliff or at least
00:46:59.940
the walruses could have smelled them even that would have set them off what we also know is that some of
00:47:06.400
the shots in the film had to have been taken with a drone now even a drone flying overhead could also
00:47:14.040
have spooked them so we've got a situation where the filmmakers themselves this is unbelievable
00:47:21.360
could have been complicit in um in generating at least the walruses that filmed that fell that they
00:47:30.260
filmed and then they attributed all of that to a lack of sea ice blamed on climate change
00:47:37.200
so how much of how much of these series because my son watches them my daughter watches them i've
00:47:43.960
watched them and there's times when i rolled my eyes and gone okay but i like i didn't know all this
00:47:49.400
about the walruses how much of these things can we even sit down and let our kids watch
00:47:55.720
and trust that it's true well i think really what the only thing that you can do is let your kids watch
00:48:05.900
it i mean it's beautiful photography that's beautiful there's no there's no doubt that it
00:48:11.500
actually is um you know parts of it are true i mean the haul outs are true but you you have to
00:48:19.640
take the commentary with a grain of salt but you also have to be prepared ahead of time to talk to
00:48:26.640
your kids about the fact that everything that is said there might not be true and hey maybe we should
00:48:33.640
follow up and look into this and they've said that this this is why this happened let's go and look
00:48:40.540
up to see you know what the background information is on that and i think that if parents are prepared
00:48:48.000
to follow up with their kids um and to look into that that um but it makes it a learning experience
00:48:56.520
susan i i gotta tell you i you know they don't have access to a zoologist like you like i do uh and
00:49:04.340
you go online i'm sure wwf and uh uh you know and all of these global warming um institutions have
00:49:16.620
have rushed to put things out that say it is true i mean how do you know what's true how do you know
00:49:23.680
what a trusted source is on actual science anymore no well that is true for sure and but what you can
00:49:31.500
do i mean it's one of the reasons that i've been blogging about polar bears since 2012 and that's to
00:49:37.740
actually make sure that the information is up there for people to find on the internet now people might
00:49:45.800
say well how do i trust you however what i do is make sure that i list the sources where i get my
00:49:53.020
information from so that people can follow it up but at the very least when there's information like
00:49:58.920
that available you can say oh okay well there's two sides to this story this person's saying this
00:50:04.140
this person's saying that then maybe i have to leave that any interpretation um up in the air
00:50:12.040
and just say that it can't none of it can be trusted and and that's really uh
00:50:18.240
an awful place for science to be in okay uh susan thank you so much for being on with us
00:50:26.060
um we really appreciate your time her name is susan crockford uh she is a zoologist and author of the
00:50:32.560
book the polar bear catastrophe that never happened uh you can read her article netflix is lying about
00:50:38.760
those falling walruses at the financial post uh and her website is polarbearscience.com that's polarbearscience.com