The Glenn Beck Program - Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Larry Elder, M. Roy Wilson, & Lara Logan ｜ 6⧸3⧸20

00:00:00.000 Hey, it's Pat Gray on the Glenn Beck Program today.

00:00:02.220 We talk about doing extra research before sharing things on social media.

00:00:06.880 Make sure you get the facts straight before you decide to share with others.

00:00:10.280 Probably a good safety tip.

00:00:12.140 Dr. Roy Wilson joins Glenn to talk about a training program that he started

00:00:15.900 to help police departments de-escalate high-risk situations.

00:00:19.480 Also, make sure you check out the documentary Uncle Tom.

00:00:23.100 We have Larry Elder, executive producer of the documentary,

00:00:26.000 to help explain the message the documentary is trying to tell.

00:00:30.000 And finally, just a riveting interview, the last hour with Lara Logan,

00:00:35.540 as she joins Glenn to talk about Antifa, the now domestic terrorist group, and lots more.

00:00:41.180 Don't miss it. All coming up on the podcast.

00:00:49.780 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:53.620 All right. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:00.240 We're glad you're here.

00:01:01.900 I want to start with a clip from Stephen Crowder from The Blaze TV.

00:01:07.260 Stephen went down and took his microphone down to the streets of Dallas during the daytime,

00:01:13.900 and was talking to somebody who was a graffiti artist about what was happening.

00:01:18.620 I want you to play this. I want you to really listen to this conversation.

00:01:22.160 At least at that point, the officer has been held accountable.

00:01:24.820 No, no, no, no. I don't give a f*** about none of that. That s*** don't matter, bro. 0.91

00:01:27.900 So what would you want? 0.73

00:01:28.680 What matters is the message get out, that that was not right.

00:01:32.260 That's what matters.

00:01:33.040 Well, I think the message is out.

00:01:34.200 No, I don't think so.

00:01:35.440 Do you think that breaking windows and the looting gets the message out,

00:01:39.040 or do you think it hurts the message?

00:01:41.020 All of it is the message. Everything.

00:01:43.160 All of it is a part of the message, whether it's looting, whether it's painting on buildings,

00:01:46.920 whether it's drawing on t-shirts, whether it's wearing certain shoes.

00:01:50.220 All of it is the message, and it all needs to get out.

00:01:52.840 It all needs to get out.

00:01:53.360 Well, let me say, I think this is, I don't know the story exactly.

00:01:55.540 I think this is beautiful.

00:01:56.440 Everybody can't draw, right?

00:01:57.260 I think this, well, that's true, but people can't loot.

00:02:00.300 People can't commit crimes, because then that's a violation of other people's rights.

00:02:02.800 But the police can kill people all the time and get away with it.

00:02:04.180 No, they can't. They shouldn't.

00:02:05.480 But they have been.

00:02:06.440 They have been, and now people are looting, and both are crimes.

00:02:08.700 No, and now people are rising up.

00:02:10.500 That's what it is. People is rising up.

00:02:12.140 It ain't looting.

00:02:12.800 It ain't looting.

00:02:13.600 So this is the same.

00:02:14.740 Is it justice when a black man got adopted, something he didn't even do? 0.66

00:02:18.300 Ask that.

00:02:18.820 Okay, stop.

00:02:19.180 This is the argument that you're having with people all around the country.

00:02:24.100 All around the country.

00:02:24.940 Even our kids, if you have older kids, might be saying things like this.

00:02:28.620 That, hey, well, this has got to stop.

00:02:30.200 Yes, it does.

00:02:32.140 But you must separate the two.

00:02:35.060 We agree.

00:02:36.100 It's only when you merge these two together that we have problems.

00:02:42.440 Now, how do we talk about that?

00:02:44.120 How do we get our police to be able to talk to somebody when they don't see things the same way,

00:02:51.000 except police should not be gunning down or kneeling on somebody's neck?

00:02:56.720 We agree on George Floyd.

00:02:59.840 So how do we get past all of this?

00:03:03.800 Let me show you one more piece.

00:03:05.700 I want to show you the piece of video that I saw yesterday that I thought was unbelievable.

00:03:14.580 It comes from Fayetteville.

00:03:16.200 The police officers lined up across the street, and they were in two or three rows,

00:03:23.380 and it looked like they were ready for confrontation.

00:03:25.800 And then they took a knee.

00:03:27.880 And what happened afterwards was phenomenal.

00:03:31.040 Watch this video in case you haven't seen it and you're watching on the Blaze TV.

00:03:34.200 All of a sudden, after they take a knee, many, if not most, of the protesters take a knee.

00:03:51.800 It takes them a while.

00:03:54.400 And you're seeing them trying to figure out, wait, what's happening here?

00:03:57.980 And the leadership of that protest kind of walks in front of them and says, take a knee, take a knee.

00:04:04.200 Then what's amazing is a little child bleeds.

00:04:09.340 Somebody who appears to be a child is the first one to go all the way over to the line and shake the hands of a police officer.

00:04:21.140 Several people approach.

00:04:22.420 They may have said something, but it's the child that actually is the one that goes all the way to the line first.

00:04:28.740 And then more people start coming to the line, and they line up just like at the end of any good sport game where they all shake hands at the end.

00:04:41.920 This was miraculous.

00:04:44.920 Now, there is training that is being started now, and Wayne State University is starting police de-escalation training because they're not trained in any of this kind of stuff.

00:04:56.580 And M. Roy Wilson is the president of Wayne State University.

00:05:00.060 He's with us now.

00:05:02.460 Do I call you M, like the James Bond, or Roy, or Mr. Wilson?

00:05:08.520 Yes, either is fine.

00:05:10.160 Dr. Wilson, Roy, anything you want to call me.

00:05:12.840 Okay.

00:05:13.640 All right.

00:05:14.420 I kind of like M, and that's the one you left off.

00:05:16.660 So, Roy, tell me what you're doing in trying to train the police and how many officers and departments are involved.

00:05:27.440 Yeah.

00:05:28.000 So, let me just first of all say that, you know, obviously being on radio, I couldn't see the image that you were portraying.

00:05:36.260 But I was picturing it the way you were describing it, and it was a very beautiful imagery.

00:05:44.220 And what happened there, the officers kneeling, it occurred to me that that is a form of de-escalation.

00:05:52.520 And that's what we're talking about, trying to keep a situation from getting worse to aggression and to violence,

00:06:00.740 and then ultimately sometimes people getting killed.

00:06:03.280 So, you know, Samuel Du Bois, you might remember, this was about four or five years ago now,

00:06:10.460 he was a black man that was badly shot by a white University of Cincinnati police officer.

00:06:17.220 It was during a routine traffic stop.

00:06:20.660 And, you know, like the University of Cincinnati, you know, all officers are armed and have full police authority.

00:06:28.200 The reaction, of course, was scathing in terms of what happened.

00:06:33.280 And even though, you know, our officers have a very good relationship with the community,

00:06:40.080 all it takes is just one incident to just break all that down.

00:06:44.960 And it was devastating to the University of Cincinnati, and we don't want something like that happening here.

00:06:52.420 So, this National De-Escalation Training Center is an attempt to start off with our own police department,

00:07:04.640 and we've already had a couple of training sessions.

00:07:08.360 It's state-of-the-art de-escalation training, augmented with simulation training,

00:07:14.360 and then use a hub and spoke model and have regional centers throughout the country.

00:07:21.360 And we've begun that in Texas and in North Carolina, and there will be others coming along.

00:07:30.280 It's a nonprofit that is incorporated in the state of Michigan,

00:07:37.580 or at least we've started that process so that there's not a profit motive here at all.

00:07:43.660 It's really trying to get a public service to get out there and get de-escalation training,

00:07:51.740 certainly among university police forces, but outside of that into other law enforcement, too.

00:07:59.340 So, I have to tell you, Dr. Wilson, I am glad to hear that this is going on,

00:08:06.760 because we don't know how to talk to each other,

00:08:10.680 and I've seen a few examples of the police here recently that have done some amazing things

00:08:17.880 and just totally took the situation from very tense to, you know, almost a joyous situation.

00:08:26.520 But what is the goal, and what are the things that you are teaching?

00:08:33.600 Well, it's based on personality profiling, being able to identify certain personalities quickly,

00:08:43.760 and based on the identification of personalities, being able to respond based on that particular personality.

00:08:54.040 The actual instrument is something that's been used for a while.

00:08:59.160 It's called DISC, D-I-S-C, which represents certain personality types.

00:09:04.240 But the – I don't want to get too technical here,

00:09:10.660 but there's been a modification of that to be even more precise.

00:09:17.480 So, there's four personality types in DISC, and now with this modification,

00:09:25.780 there's 26 subtypes that can be used to identify particular personality types.

00:09:32.720 And then based on that, the law enforcement officers are trained to approach

00:09:39.640 and modify their behavior based on the personalities of the subjects that they're apprehending.

00:09:48.880 So, my question is, how do we get past – because we're arguing two things.

00:09:56.640 We're arguing about the protests and the riots,

00:10:00.380 and I have no problem with peaceful protests at all.

00:10:02.980 You can protest for anything, and I'm fine, and I'll, you know, stand by you

00:10:08.340 and take the billy club to the head to stand up for your right to protest.

00:10:13.520 That's very American.

00:10:15.880 But then we have that mixed with the riots, which no American is for,

00:10:21.900 and also mixed with this violence on George Floyd, which also – I think it's unanimous.

00:10:29.320 No one is backing that.

00:10:31.960 Everyone wants to see that guy go to jail.

00:10:34.740 How do we separate these things to be able to have a rational conversation?

00:10:41.440 Yeah, I mean, certainly it's very emotional.

00:10:44.280 You know, when you really think about it, 0.68

00:10:46.340 a black boy today has a one in 1,000 chance of being killed by law enforcement. 0.91

00:10:52.720 Now, let me just put that in perspective.

00:10:54.500 Let's say, out of a population of 10 million, that's 10,000.

00:10:59.480 And I picked that 10 million because that's the population of Michigan where Wayne State is.

00:11:06.520 And, you know, Michigan has been one of the states that has been ravaged by the coronavirus.

00:11:12.080 And yet, when you really think about the number of deaths, it's about a little over 5,000.

00:11:16.880 So that's only half the number of black boys who will die if nothing is done.

00:11:25.580 And so the emotion is understandable, and the sense of urgency is understandable.

00:11:35.280 But you're absolutely right.

00:11:36.540 I mean, you have to separate the looting and the violence with the peaceful protests.

00:11:43.880 And, unfortunately, I do think that the actual message is getting a little bit drowned out by some of the negativity.

00:11:59.520 I think the riots are the worst thing for – I mean, we could have been united on this easily.

00:12:06.480 Because, honestly, I don't know a single person that said, ah, well, it's no big deal.

00:12:11.640 I don't know a single person that said, you know, now they found that fentanyl was in his bloodstream, and he had a record, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:18.840 I still don't know anybody who said this was right.

00:12:21.800 I mean, I don't care what your record was.

00:12:24.000 Because if you are laying down on the ground and you have a police officer sitting on your neck, I don't care if you're Charles Manson. 0.96

00:12:35.400 This is – you are abusing human rights, and you don't have a right as a cop to kill that guy. 0.65

00:12:43.680 Sloppy is not even begin to describe that.

00:12:46.920 And I don't care who it is.

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00:13:53.520 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:13:55.320 It is an honor to have Larry Elder with us.

00:14:05.980 Larry Elder has been doing the Larry Elder Show for God only knows how long you've been doing it, Larry.

00:14:11.520 You've been a voice in the wilderness for a very long time.

00:14:14.280 Now you've come out with Uncle Tom, this documentary.

00:14:17.840 And I want to play a clip before we begin.

00:14:22.460 Play clip one, please.

00:14:24.260 Most people are completely oblivious to the history of the Democratic Party.

00:14:27.360 The party of slavery. 0.78

00:14:28.320 The history of the Democratic Party.

00:14:29.460 The pro laws.

00:14:30.460 They're erasing all of the history of this country.

00:14:33.640 They want to cover up history.

00:14:35.360 The real history, not the revisionist history.

00:14:37.840 If you are educated.

00:14:38.940 Black people have been taught a narrative that has been created. 0.97

00:14:41.520 You're actually miseducated. 0.91

00:14:42.920 And that's when I realized I've been lied to.

00:14:44.640 I had been misled.

00:14:46.020 It unraveled everything that I knew to be true.

00:14:49.360 The documentary is called Uncle Tom.

00:14:54.580 And it comes out next month.

00:14:55.960 You can find out information at UncleTom.com.

00:14:59.600 Larry, welcome to the program.

00:15:01.300 How are you, sir?

00:15:02.280 Glenn, I'm doing really great.

00:15:03.640 The only small correction, it comes out June 19th.

00:15:06.300 Just in a few days.

00:15:07.680 Oh.

00:15:08.280 Oh, okay.

00:15:08.760 Sorry.

00:15:09.060 I thought it was in July.

00:15:10.740 June 19th.

00:15:11.640 Great.

00:15:12.060 Yeah.

00:15:12.360 June 19th, actually.

00:15:13.820 That's why we chose that day, Juneteenth. 0.94

00:15:15.720 That's the day of the celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:15:20.600 So we thought we'd issue it out on that date.

00:15:24.460 You know, growing up, I grew up in Seattle, so I didn't know about Juneteenth.

00:15:28.760 Down in Texas, it's huge.

00:15:31.620 I mean, it is a really big day down in Texas.

00:15:33.940 And it's actually the day that the Emancipation Proclamation made it to the slaves in Texas, right?

00:15:43.560 Right.

00:15:43.820 Right.

00:15:44.220 And I didn't celebrate it either.

00:15:45.540 I didn't even hear about that holiday until I got into college.

00:15:49.400 And, Glenn, the reason I did Uncle Tom is because the young director, Justin Malone, approached

00:15:54.120 me a couple years ago, and he said, I'd like to interview you about why it is you get all

00:15:58.180 this grief because you dared to dissent from the Democratic Party.

00:16:02.000 He said, what is it that people are, why do you guys call Uncle Tom and coon and self-loather?

00:16:08.240 And I said, well, it's because people have real strong views.

00:16:11.100 And he kept saying, yeah, but why?

00:16:12.340 But why?

00:16:12.860 And the more you said it, Glenn, the more I realized there's never been any sort of examination

00:16:19.060 about what it is that causes people like Alan West and Candace Owens and Larry Elder and

00:16:24.760 Herman Cain and Bob Woodson and some other people to be called all these vile names when

00:16:30.160 all we're suggesting is, A, your fate is in your hands, B, America in the year 2020 is not America

00:16:36.980 in the year 1820, and C, not everything that's bothering you can be traced to Jim Crow and

00:16:42.220 slavery.

00:16:42.920 And for that reason, we're called all sorts of names.

00:16:45.640 Wouldn't it be good news, Glenn, if we were right?

00:16:47.700 I mean, I'm looking at all this stuff going on in our streets, and I tell people that 0.84

00:16:53.420 if anything, the cops are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black 1.00

00:16:57.220 suspect than on a white suspect. 0.77

00:16:59.040 There have been several studies that suggest that, including one by a black economist at

00:17:03.300 Harvard named Rolling Fryer.

00:17:04.600 He said it was the most shocking result of his career.

00:17:07.040 He assumed his study was going to confirm the narrative that the police are out mowing down 0.96

00:17:11.500 black people using disproportionate force against them. 0.97

00:17:14.140 And he found not only was it not true, that cops were more hesitant, more reluctant to 0.99

00:17:18.300 use deadly force against black people. 1.00

00:17:20.240 Now, when I say this, inevitably, Glenn, as you know, on radio, somebody will call up and 0.98

00:17:24.260 they'll be hostile, and I'll be called Uncle Tom and all this.

00:17:26.700 And I always say to them, why don't you pull for me?

00:17:30.420 Why don't you want me to be right?

00:17:32.120 Call me naive.

00:17:33.040 Call me oblivious.

00:17:34.340 But my goodness, Uncle Tom, what is this? 0.59

00:17:37.240 We just had a black president, Glenn.

00:17:40.100 We had back-to-back black attorneys general for crying out loud. 0.95

00:17:42.720 This is not your father's America.

00:17:44.660 And to act like it is, in my opinion, insults the hard work that people like MLK did to

00:17:49.060 get us to the place we are right now.

00:17:52.740 MLK has got to be rolling in his grave, along, honestly, with George Floyd.

00:17:57.820 I mean, if this were my legacy, and this is what my death caused, I would be horrified.

00:18:08.660 Horrified.

00:18:09.140 Absolutely, and the premise, the premise is just false.

00:18:13.500 There are 7,000 black people who were killed, on average, in the last several years. 0.98

00:18:18.620 Almost all of them are killed by other blacks. 1.00

00:18:20.660 When you look at interracial black-white homicide, it is rare, but to the extent that it happens,

00:18:25.220 it's about 750 times each year, Glenn. 0.98

00:18:27.860 500 of them are white people killed by blacks. 0.99

00:18:30.880 250 are blacks killed by whites. 0.99

00:18:33.040 So blacks, at 13% of the population, killed twice as many whites as whites killed, with 0.98

00:18:37.780 61% of the population. 0.99

00:18:39.440 These are just facts.

00:18:40.880 Last year, there were nine unarmed blacks killed by the police.

00:18:43.660 There were 19 unarmed whites.

00:18:45.480 I defy your audience to name an unarmed white, because MSNBC, CNN, Van Jones, Don Lamont,

00:18:51.180 they don't give a damn about an unarmed white guy, but an unarmed black guy, let's call out 1.00

00:18:55.200 the guard. 0.98

00:18:55.580 Let's bring up Washington.

00:18:56.560 Let's march on the city.

00:18:58.100 This is how the media manipulates you.

00:19:00.520 Meanwhile, Memorial Day weekend, Chicago, 10 people killed, 49 people shot.

00:19:06.080 Year to year, more people shot in Chicago and killed in Chicago than last year, even

00:19:10.380 though they've been under a coronavirus shutdown.

00:19:12.600 We're not talking about that.

00:19:13.920 We're not talking about that, because we're talking about the rare occasion, unfortunate,

00:19:18.480 obviously, where somebody, a police officer, has done something to a black guy.

00:19:22.680 An officer did, not the police department.

00:19:25.040 This individual officer did.

00:19:26.660 Let's deal with the individual officer or officers involved in the case.

00:19:31.360 You know, the officer in this particular case, Larry, what are your thoughts on him?

00:19:38.340 Well, I think that the officer who did this certainly should be charged.

00:19:43.260 Whether he gets convicted of first-degree murder is a whole different ballgame, and that's

00:19:47.580 what bothers me.

00:19:48.500 He's been charged with third-degree murder, which seems reasonable to me.

00:19:51.540 I doubt that he was intentionally trying to kill this guy in front of all these people

00:19:55.480 in front of the police officer.

00:19:57.360 Right.

00:19:57.480 Certainly, he acted negligently in a criminal way.

00:20:01.680 Whether the other officers are equally culpable is another question that's open.

00:20:05.640 My concern, though, Glenn, is this autopsy that was done by Michael Bodden and the lawyer,

00:20:11.200 and they both said this suggests a first-degree homicide count should be filed.

00:20:16.000 Really?

00:20:17.040 First-degree requires intent deliberation.

00:20:19.600 Are you telling me that this guy got up in the morning and said, I'm going to find a 1.00

00:20:22.580 black guy, I'm going to kneel on his neck and kill him in front of a bunch of people 1.00

00:20:25.920 telling me not to do it, and in front of three other police officers? 1.00

00:20:29.240 Good luck with that one.

00:20:30.320 And if that's the marker, you're going to have another riot when the jury comes back

00:20:33.880 and says not guilty on first-degree.

00:20:36.460 Yeah, well, you cannot prove the intent and forethought.

00:20:41.700 I mean, how are you going to, unless he said to somebody, you know what, that's what

00:20:48.260 I'm going to do.

00:20:49.560 There's no way to have first-degree murder.

00:20:51.920 Third-degree murder, manslaughter, open-and-shut case, in my opinion.

00:20:58.960 So, Larry, how do we have, I've never seen something that America has come together on

00:21:05.940 more than this.

00:21:07.460 I mean, I don't know of an American that's saying, no, let the police get away with it.

00:21:12.760 I don't know anybody who thinks this guy was right.

00:21:15.680 Not a soul.

00:21:16.820 And Glenn, and that's the point.

00:21:18.160 It would be one thing if the fraternal order of police put out a statement and said,

00:21:21.240 well, this is standard tactics.

00:21:22.440 How dare you accuse this officer of homicide?

00:21:24.860 In fact, the fraternal order of police put out a statement to announce what these officers

00:21:28.580 did.

00:21:28.940 I don't know a single cop, publicly or privately, who's ever said this is okay.

00:21:33.000 You've got a very liberal mayor who's sympathetic.

00:21:35.480 You've got the vice president of city council who happens to be black. 0.90

00:21:39.300 The state attorney general in Minnesota is black.

00:21:41.900 What gives you the impression that when all these officers were fired summarily and the

00:21:47.080 lead cop arrested and charged, what makes you think it will not be thoroughly investigated

00:21:51.340 such that you've got to go out in the streets and tear up the place for six or eight days

00:21:55.120 now in a row?

00:21:55.900 This is absurd.

00:21:56.680 So what's happening, Larry?

00:22:00.360 What's happening is you've got a bunch of people who've been taught that if there's

00:22:04.120 any kind of thing that goes wrong, you should assume that it's a reflection of institutional

00:22:09.700 racism.

00:22:10.200 It's a microcosm of institutional racism.

00:22:12.680 The point is we've gotten to the point in America, in my opinion, Glenn, where race is

00:22:16.540 so insignificant. 0.95

00:22:18.080 The media and the so-called leaders have to invent stuff in order to keep blacks angry. 1.00

00:22:22.820 So they pulled that lever, 95 cents for the, for the democratic party.

00:22:26.800 That's why I made this documentary.

00:22:28.160 The documentary simply gives black people permission to think for themselves. 0.99

00:22:32.560 That's the line that one person gave me when he saw my film, I screened it for a couple

00:22:37.380 hundred people and he said, it was completely different than what I thought it was going

00:22:40.200 to be.

00:22:40.480 I thought it was going to be combative and angry and defensive.

00:22:42.920 It was nothing like that.

00:22:44.160 Your, your film gives black people permission to think for themselves.

00:22:48.180 It's not pro Republican.

00:22:49.500 It's not pro Democrat.

00:22:50.620 It's not pro Trump.

00:22:51.380 It's not anti Trump.

00:22:52.220 It gives you permission to think for yourself, which party is the best party that will give

00:22:56.680 your kid the best education?

00:22:57.920 The party that says you're going to go to a government school, whether you want to or

00:23:00.820 not, or the party that wants to give you a choice.

00:23:02.900 Just think for yourself.

00:23:04.440 That's all uncle Tom is asking.

00:23:10.060 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:23:12.120 And don't forget rate us on iTunes.

00:23:20.400 You know this.

00:23:21.240 I don't have to tell you this, but there has been a coordinated effort to discredit voices

00:23:26.840 that could make an impact that we're calling you back to the constitution.

00:23:30.980 You know this because you've watched it happen to me and so many others that you, you have

00:23:36.260 grown to love and trust.

00:23:38.500 It's a very well-funded operation.

00:23:41.380 It was about, I think, $100 million in money and in basically free advertisement or free

00:23:51.500 anti-PR that places like Media Matters spent and procured to take me down.

00:23:59.400 You'll read about it in Cheryl Atkinson's book.

00:24:02.080 I was kind of the prototype for it, and they have done it.

00:24:04.980 They've gotten much better, and they have done it time and time again.

00:24:08.800 It is time for us to stand with credible voices, the people that you have grown to trust, and

00:24:16.440 be unashamed in speaking out for truth.

00:24:20.680 Lara Logan is one of those voices that we need to listen to.

00:24:27.000 If you're looking for, well, who will tell me the truth?

00:24:29.720 I truly believe in Lara Logan.

00:24:32.240 She was the chief foreign affairs correspondent for 60 minutes.

00:24:36.940 I mean, well, there was a time that, you know, not just anybody got on to 60 minutes, but now

00:24:41.800 I think that's those days are over, but she worked for CBS News for years.

00:24:46.700 She is a buttoned up journalist with wide, wide contacts, and she has been investigating

00:24:54.660 Antifa and the riots for a while, and she knows the background of all of these organizations,

00:25:03.060 and she's here to tell us what she thinks is really going on.

00:25:07.500 Hello, Lara.

00:25:08.060 How are you?

00:25:09.520 Hey, Glenn.

00:25:10.040 I'm good.

00:25:10.480 Thank you.

00:25:10.920 How are you?

00:25:11.300 Well, I don't know about good.

00:25:12.860 Well, concerned right now.

00:25:15.220 Yeah.

00:25:15.860 I know that you're being taken down by media matters now.

00:25:20.700 Well, they're trying.

00:25:21.420 You're lying.

00:25:22.660 Yeah, they're trying.

00:25:23.400 Yeah, they're trying.

00:25:24.720 But they're saying that you are lying about Antifa being involved in this.

00:25:32.780 So take us through this story and the facts that you have on Antifa.

00:25:38.520 It's kind of extraordinary that anybody in this country right now is defending a very violent terrorist organization,

00:25:47.080 right, a network of organizations, because that's what these anarchist groups really represent.

00:25:52.600 And you don't have to take my word for that.

00:25:54.620 I mean, A, look at what's happening on the streets.

00:25:57.620 And B, you know, more importantly, look at their history of doing this.

00:26:02.100 And then C, just go and see what they're saying about it, right?

00:26:05.480 I mean, because they're not hiding it, which is, in a way, even more concerning, because

00:26:10.160 for those of us who've followed this for a while and know that this is what they're doing

00:26:14.260 and that this is what their agenda is, that is what's always been troubling is the way

00:26:20.260 that so many people in the media and in the political establishment have given them cover

00:26:24.380 to operate, including law enforcement, by the way, and one administration after the other.

00:26:29.960 This is not a Democrat, Republican, left, right, blue, you know, red thing.

00:26:35.460 These are extremists.

00:26:37.860 And you see a lot of parallels between extremists on the left and the right.

00:26:44.040 They're almost, you know, with one or two small differences, they pretty much operate

00:26:48.680 the same way, exactly.

00:26:50.520 I mean, there's no difference between what Antifa's doing and the brown shirts of Nazi Germany 0.82

00:26:54.620 or the black shirts of Mussolini.

00:26:56.880 So they've perpetuated this extraordinarily successful deception operation,

00:27:02.460 where they have people, you know, convinced that they're the anti-racist.

00:27:06.260 That's what the name means, right?

00:27:08.160 But they're not at all.

00:27:09.400 They are extreme fascists who their own literature shows that the world that they want

00:27:15.940 is one where there are no laws and in which there are no borders, no prisons.

00:27:21.300 But it's very interesting, of course, because how do you have all that

00:27:24.520 but still actually have some form of order?

00:27:27.400 Well, somebody has to enforce it, right?

00:27:29.180 So this is where the ideology kind of breaks down because there will be people enforcing it.

00:27:35.700 Let me see who they are going to be.

00:27:36.940 Wow, their militant networks will enforce it. 0.74

00:27:39.540 I mean, people need to understand.

00:27:41.720 The abolitionist movement, Glenn, you know, go and look at the 10 points.

00:27:45.160 You know what has to happen for them to get to point number 10?

00:27:47.500 In their words, liberation begins when America dies.

00:27:52.540 And that's what they're looking for.

00:27:53.940 So people defending that are really showing themselves for who they are, right?

00:27:58.440 I mean, they targeted you.

00:28:00.320 They've come after me.

00:28:01.460 How many others?

00:28:02.400 There are so many others.

00:28:04.420 And they do it with their own deception operation.

00:28:07.440 They're pretending that they care about good journalism.

00:28:10.120 They don't.

00:28:10.560 They care about silencing, intimidating, destroying, annihilating, and getting us all to self-censor

00:28:17.260 so that we don't cover any of the subjects they don't want us talking about.

00:28:21.700 Laura, let me take you to a bigger picture than just Antifa.

00:28:30.560 And that is, I said probably 15 years ago that socialists, communists, radicals, anarchists,

00:28:39.340 Islamists would all work together.

00:28:41.660 Not that they were coordinating, but they would all see the opportunity, and they would all

00:28:47.340 work for the same goal, and that's destruction of capitalism and destruction of the Western

00:28:52.240 world.

00:28:53.640 I don't think there's any doubt in your mind that that's what's happening right now, correct?

00:28:59.160 You know, it's really interesting because a few years ago, I probably would not have agreed

00:29:04.880 with you on that.

00:29:05.960 I would have agreed in principle that it's possible for people with the same intent and

00:29:11.000 the same goals to align.

00:29:12.700 But I didn't really see this coming.

00:29:15.300 I'm not going to take credit for that, right?

00:29:18.180 I mean, I'm cynical enough to know that.

00:29:20.340 Just look at the way the Iranians do it. 1.00

00:29:21.840 They play every horse in the race and on all sides, and they've been extraordinarily successful

00:29:26.180 at doing that.

00:29:27.120 So it's not that I don't think it's possible, but I now see that you are absolutely correct,

00:29:33.000 and you can add to that mix state actors, as they call them in the intelligence world,

00:29:38.160 as a number of intelligence professionals have said, right?

00:29:40.960 So state actors like China, the Chinese Communist Party, whose ideology appears to align, certainly

00:29:47.580 the intent aligns up right now beautifully because the Chinese government does not want 0.92

00:29:53.340 Donald Trump and his administration anywhere near the Oval Office.

00:29:57.000 They do not want to be shut out of the World Trade Organization and global institutions.

00:30:01.000 They do not want the U.S. shutting down their vast network, surveillance network that they've

00:30:06.920 infiltrated through the universities, but then from there into every kind of business, which

00:30:11.880 I'm sure you've talked about on your show many times, and they're not the only ones,

00:30:17.120 right?

00:30:17.320 I mean, very alarmingly, I can't tell you, I can't give away my source, but let's just

00:30:22.600 say that the vice president of an allied country to us got in touch with me recently, and when

00:30:29.980 he sends me these kind of messages, I'm like, you know, I kind of like, ah, because this man is

00:30:36.440 probably the most brilliant man I've ever met in my life, and when he's asking, you know, about

00:30:44.060 is this really happening? Because what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing from the region

00:30:50.760 is that this is the end of the U.S., and it's looking like this is not going to pass, and

00:30:59.940 we're wondering where that leaves us, and America is a beacon in our world. It's a beacon in the

00:31:06.500 dark, and if we lose you, we've lost everything. And, you know, when I saw that, this is a country,

00:31:15.540 by the way, that we have not been kind to of late. This is not a country that is immune

00:31:23.020 to criticizing the United States, and this is somebody I have enormous respect for, who

00:31:27.740 is extremely plugged in. When he says the region, he's talking to the region. And so they see

00:31:32.920 it. They see it across on the other side of the world. What the New York Times cannot see,

00:31:37.680 they see, thousands of miles away.

The Glenn Beck Program - June 03, 2020

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