Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Larry Elder, M. Roy Wilson, & Lara Logan ｜ 6⧸3⧸20
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On this episode of the Glenn Beck Program, Dr. Roy Wilson joins Glenn to talk about a training program that he started to help police departments de-escalate high-risk situations. Also, make sure to check out the documentary Uncle Tom. We have Larry Elder, executive producer of the documentary, to help explain the message the documentary is trying to tell. And finally, a riveting interview with Lara Logan as she joins Glenn on the show to discuss Antifa, the now domestic terrorist group.
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Hey, it's Pat Gray on the Glenn Beck Program today.
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We talk about doing extra research before sharing things on social media.
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Make sure you get the facts straight before you decide to share with others.
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Dr. Roy Wilson joins Glenn to talk about a training program that he started
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to help police departments de-escalate high-risk situations.
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Also, make sure you check out the documentary Uncle Tom.
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We have Larry Elder, executive producer of the documentary,
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to help explain the message the documentary is trying to tell.
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And finally, just a riveting interview, the last hour with Lara Logan,
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as she joins Glenn to talk about Antifa, the now domestic terrorist group, and lots more.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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I want to start with a clip from Stephen Crowder from The Blaze TV.
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Stephen went down and took his microphone down to the streets of Dallas during the daytime,
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and was talking to somebody who was a graffiti artist about what was happening.
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I want you to play this. I want you to really listen to this conversation.
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At least at that point, the officer has been held accountable.
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No, no, no, no. I don't give a f*** about none of that. That s*** don't matter, bro.
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What matters is the message get out, that that was not right.
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Do you think that breaking windows and the looting gets the message out,
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All of it is a part of the message, whether it's looting, whether it's painting on buildings,
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whether it's drawing on t-shirts, whether it's wearing certain shoes.
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All of it is the message, and it all needs to get out.
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Well, let me say, I think this is, I don't know the story exactly.
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I think this, well, that's true, but people can't loot.
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People can't commit crimes, because then that's a violation of other people's rights.
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But the police can kill people all the time and get away with it.
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They have been, and now people are looting, and both are crimes.
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Is it justice when a black man got adopted, something he didn't even do?
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This is the argument that you're having with people all around the country.
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Even our kids, if you have older kids, might be saying things like this.
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It's only when you merge these two together that we have problems.
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How do we get our police to be able to talk to somebody when they don't see things the same way,
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except police should not be gunning down or kneeling on somebody's neck?
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I want to show you the piece of video that I saw yesterday that I thought was unbelievable.
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The police officers lined up across the street, and they were in two or three rows,
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and it looked like they were ready for confrontation.
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Watch this video in case you haven't seen it and you're watching on the Blaze TV.
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All of a sudden, after they take a knee, many, if not most, of the protesters take a knee.
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And you're seeing them trying to figure out, wait, what's happening here?
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And the leadership of that protest kind of walks in front of them and says, take a knee, take a knee.
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Somebody who appears to be a child is the first one to go all the way over to the line and shake the hands of a police officer.
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They may have said something, but it's the child that actually is the one that goes all the way to the line first.
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And then more people start coming to the line, and they line up just like at the end of any good sport game where they all shake hands at the end.
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Now, there is training that is being started now, and Wayne State University is starting police de-escalation training because they're not trained in any of this kind of stuff.
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And M. Roy Wilson is the president of Wayne State University.
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Do I call you M, like the James Bond, or Roy, or Mr. Wilson?
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I kind of like M, and that's the one you left off.
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So, Roy, tell me what you're doing in trying to train the police and how many officers and departments are involved.
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So, let me just first of all say that, you know, obviously being on radio, I couldn't see the image that you were portraying.
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But I was picturing it the way you were describing it, and it was a very beautiful imagery.
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And what happened there, the officers kneeling, it occurred to me that that is a form of de-escalation.
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And that's what we're talking about, trying to keep a situation from getting worse to aggression and to violence,
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and then ultimately sometimes people getting killed.
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So, you know, Samuel Du Bois, you might remember, this was about four or five years ago now,
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he was a black man that was badly shot by a white University of Cincinnati police officer.
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And, you know, like the University of Cincinnati, you know, all officers are armed and have full police authority.
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The reaction, of course, was scathing in terms of what happened.
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And even though, you know, our officers have a very good relationship with the community,
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all it takes is just one incident to just break all that down.
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And it was devastating to the University of Cincinnati, and we don't want something like that happening here.
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So, this National De-Escalation Training Center is an attempt to start off with our own police department,
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and we've already had a couple of training sessions.
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It's state-of-the-art de-escalation training, augmented with simulation training,
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and then use a hub and spoke model and have regional centers throughout the country.
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And we've begun that in Texas and in North Carolina, and there will be others coming along.
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It's a nonprofit that is incorporated in the state of Michigan,
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or at least we've started that process so that there's not a profit motive here at all.
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It's really trying to get a public service to get out there and get de-escalation training,
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certainly among university police forces, but outside of that into other law enforcement, too.
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So, I have to tell you, Dr. Wilson, I am glad to hear that this is going on,
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because we don't know how to talk to each other,
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and I've seen a few examples of the police here recently that have done some amazing things
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and just totally took the situation from very tense to, you know, almost a joyous situation.
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But what is the goal, and what are the things that you are teaching?
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Well, it's based on personality profiling, being able to identify certain personalities quickly,
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and based on the identification of personalities, being able to respond based on that particular personality.
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The actual instrument is something that's been used for a while.
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It's called DISC, D-I-S-C, which represents certain personality types.
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But the – I don't want to get too technical here,
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but there's been a modification of that to be even more precise.
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So, there's four personality types in DISC, and now with this modification,
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there's 26 subtypes that can be used to identify particular personality types.
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And then based on that, the law enforcement officers are trained to approach
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and modify their behavior based on the personalities of the subjects that they're apprehending.
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So, my question is, how do we get past – because we're arguing two things.
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We're arguing about the protests and the riots,
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and I have no problem with peaceful protests at all.
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You can protest for anything, and I'm fine, and I'll, you know, stand by you
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and take the billy club to the head to stand up for your right to protest.
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But then we have that mixed with the riots, which no American is for,
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and also mixed with this violence on George Floyd, which also – I think it's unanimous.
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How do we separate these things to be able to have a rational conversation?
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a black boy today has a one in 1,000 chance of being killed by law enforcement.
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Let's say, out of a population of 10 million, that's 10,000.
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And I picked that 10 million because that's the population of Michigan where Wayne State is.
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And, you know, Michigan has been one of the states that has been ravaged by the coronavirus.
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And yet, when you really think about the number of deaths, it's about a little over 5,000.
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So that's only half the number of black boys who will die if nothing is done.
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And so the emotion is understandable, and the sense of urgency is understandable.
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I mean, you have to separate the looting and the violence with the peaceful protests.
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And, unfortunately, I do think that the actual message is getting a little bit drowned out by some of the negativity.
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I think the riots are the worst thing for – I mean, we could have been united on this easily.
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Because, honestly, I don't know a single person that said, ah, well, it's no big deal.
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I don't know a single person that said, you know, now they found that fentanyl was in his bloodstream, and he had a record, blah, blah, blah.
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I still don't know anybody who said this was right.
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Because if you are laying down on the ground and you have a police officer sitting on your neck, I don't care if you're Charles Manson.
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This is – you are abusing human rights, and you don't have a right as a cop to kill that guy.
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All right, here's how my conversation with Tanya went the other night.
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I said, Tanya, have you ever heard of Bilt Bars?
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My nutritionist says they're really, really delicious.
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You mean the ones that are in our refrigerator I've been telling you about forever?
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And I said, no, you've been talking about a protein bar.
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And I'm like, no, but this tastes like a candy bar.
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But you eat all that crap, and so you always think things taste good.
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I eat stuff with actual good things in them like butter and sugar, was her response.
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Well, you wouldn't believe what I have to deal with just to be able to get my sweet tooth satisfied and to be healthy.
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Larry Elder has been doing the Larry Elder Show for God only knows how long you've been doing it, Larry.
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You've been a voice in the wilderness for a very long time.
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Now you've come out with Uncle Tom, this documentary.
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Most people are completely oblivious to the history of the Democratic Party.
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They're erasing all of the history of this country.
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Black people have been taught a narrative that has been created.
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It unraveled everything that I knew to be true.
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The only small correction, it comes out June 19th.
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That's the day of the celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation.
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You know, growing up, I grew up in Seattle, so I didn't know about Juneteenth.
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And it's actually the day that the Emancipation Proclamation made it to the slaves in Texas, right?
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I didn't even hear about that holiday until I got into college.
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And, Glenn, the reason I did Uncle Tom is because the young director, Justin Malone, approached
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me a couple years ago, and he said, I'd like to interview you about why it is you get all
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this grief because you dared to dissent from the Democratic Party.
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He said, what is it that people are, why do you guys call Uncle Tom and coon and self-loather?
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And I said, well, it's because people have real strong views.
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And the more you said it, Glenn, the more I realized there's never been any sort of examination
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about what it is that causes people like Alan West and Candace Owens and Larry Elder and
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Herman Cain and Bob Woodson and some other people to be called all these vile names when
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all we're suggesting is, A, your fate is in your hands, B, America in the year 2020 is not America
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in the year 1820, and C, not everything that's bothering you can be traced to Jim Crow and
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And for that reason, we're called all sorts of names.
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Wouldn't it be good news, Glenn, if we were right?
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I mean, I'm looking at all this stuff going on in our streets, and I tell people that
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if anything, the cops are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black
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There have been several studies that suggest that, including one by a black economist at
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He said it was the most shocking result of his career.
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He assumed his study was going to confirm the narrative that the police are out mowing down
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black people using disproportionate force against them.
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And he found not only was it not true, that cops were more hesitant, more reluctant to
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Now, when I say this, inevitably, Glenn, as you know, on radio, somebody will call up and
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they'll be hostile, and I'll be called Uncle Tom and all this.
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And I always say to them, why don't you pull for me?
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We had back-to-back black attorneys general for crying out loud.
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And to act like it is, in my opinion, insults the hard work that people like MLK did to
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MLK has got to be rolling in his grave, along, honestly, with George Floyd.
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I mean, if this were my legacy, and this is what my death caused, I would be horrified.
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Absolutely, and the premise, the premise is just false.
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There are 7,000 black people who were killed, on average, in the last several years.
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When you look at interracial black-white homicide, it is rare, but to the extent that it happens,
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So blacks, at 13% of the population, killed twice as many whites as whites killed, with
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Last year, there were nine unarmed blacks killed by the police.
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I defy your audience to name an unarmed white, because MSNBC, CNN, Van Jones, Don Lamont,
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they don't give a damn about an unarmed white guy, but an unarmed black guy, let's call out
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Meanwhile, Memorial Day weekend, Chicago, 10 people killed, 49 people shot.
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Year to year, more people shot in Chicago and killed in Chicago than last year, even
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though they've been under a coronavirus shutdown.
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We're not talking about that, because we're talking about the rare occasion, unfortunate,
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obviously, where somebody, a police officer, has done something to a black guy.
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Let's deal with the individual officer or officers involved in the case.
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You know, the officer in this particular case, Larry, what are your thoughts on him?
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Well, I think that the officer who did this certainly should be charged.
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Whether he gets convicted of first-degree murder is a whole different ballgame, and that's
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He's been charged with third-degree murder, which seems reasonable to me.
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I doubt that he was intentionally trying to kill this guy in front of all these people
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Certainly, he acted negligently in a criminal way.
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Whether the other officers are equally culpable is another question that's open.
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My concern, though, Glenn, is this autopsy that was done by Michael Bodden and the lawyer,
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and they both said this suggests a first-degree homicide count should be filed.
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Are you telling me that this guy got up in the morning and said, I'm going to find a
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black guy, I'm going to kneel on his neck and kill him in front of a bunch of people
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telling me not to do it, and in front of three other police officers?
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And if that's the marker, you're going to have another riot when the jury comes back
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Yeah, well, you cannot prove the intent and forethought.
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I mean, how are you going to, unless he said to somebody, you know what, that's what
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Third-degree murder, manslaughter, open-and-shut case, in my opinion.
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So, Larry, how do we have, I've never seen something that America has come together on
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I mean, I don't know of an American that's saying, no, let the police get away with it.
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I don't know anybody who thinks this guy was right.
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It would be one thing if the fraternal order of police put out a statement and said,
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In fact, the fraternal order of police put out a statement to announce what these officers
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I don't know a single cop, publicly or privately, who's ever said this is okay.
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You've got a very liberal mayor who's sympathetic.
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You've got the vice president of city council who happens to be black.
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The state attorney general in Minnesota is black.
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What gives you the impression that when all these officers were fired summarily and the
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lead cop arrested and charged, what makes you think it will not be thoroughly investigated
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such that you've got to go out in the streets and tear up the place for six or eight days
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What's happening is you've got a bunch of people who've been taught that if there's
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any kind of thing that goes wrong, you should assume that it's a reflection of institutional
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The point is we've gotten to the point in America, in my opinion, Glenn, where race is
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The media and the so-called leaders have to invent stuff in order to keep blacks angry.
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So they pulled that lever, 95 cents for the, for the democratic party.
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The documentary simply gives black people permission to think for themselves.
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That's the line that one person gave me when he saw my film, I screened it for a couple
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hundred people and he said, it was completely different than what I thought it was going
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I thought it was going to be combative and angry and defensive.
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Your, your film gives black people permission to think for themselves.
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It gives you permission to think for yourself, which party is the best party that will give
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The party that says you're going to go to a government school, whether you want to or
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not, or the party that wants to give you a choice.
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I don't have to tell you this, but there has been a coordinated effort to discredit voices
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that could make an impact that we're calling you back to the constitution.
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You know this because you've watched it happen to me and so many others that you, you have
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It was about, I think, $100 million in money and in basically free advertisement or free
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anti-PR that places like Media Matters spent and procured to take me down.
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You'll read about it in Cheryl Atkinson's book.
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I was kind of the prototype for it, and they have done it.
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They've gotten much better, and they have done it time and time again.
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It is time for us to stand with credible voices, the people that you have grown to trust, and
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Lara Logan is one of those voices that we need to listen to.
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If you're looking for, well, who will tell me the truth?
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She was the chief foreign affairs correspondent for 60 minutes.
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I mean, well, there was a time that, you know, not just anybody got on to 60 minutes, but now
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I think that's those days are over, but she worked for CBS News for years.
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She is a buttoned up journalist with wide, wide contacts, and she has been investigating
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Antifa and the riots for a while, and she knows the background of all of these organizations,
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and she's here to tell us what she thinks is really going on.
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I know that you're being taken down by media matters now.
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But they're saying that you are lying about Antifa being involved in this.
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So take us through this story and the facts that you have on Antifa.
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It's kind of extraordinary that anybody in this country right now is defending a very violent terrorist organization,
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right, a network of organizations, because that's what these anarchist groups really represent.
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I mean, A, look at what's happening on the streets.
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And B, you know, more importantly, look at their history of doing this.
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And then C, just go and see what they're saying about it, right?
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I mean, because they're not hiding it, which is, in a way, even more concerning, because
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for those of us who've followed this for a while and know that this is what they're doing
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and that this is what their agenda is, that is what's always been troubling is the way
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that so many people in the media and in the political establishment have given them cover
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to operate, including law enforcement, by the way, and one administration after the other.
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This is not a Democrat, Republican, left, right, blue, you know, red thing.
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And you see a lot of parallels between extremists on the left and the right.
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They're almost, you know, with one or two small differences, they pretty much operate
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I mean, there's no difference between what Antifa's doing and the brown shirts of Nazi Germany
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So they've perpetuated this extraordinarily successful deception operation,
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where they have people, you know, convinced that they're the anti-racist.
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They are extreme fascists who their own literature shows that the world that they want
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is one where there are no laws and in which there are no borders, no prisons.
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But it's very interesting, of course, because how do you have all that
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So this is where the ideology kind of breaks down because there will be people enforcing it.
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The abolitionist movement, Glenn, you know, go and look at the 10 points.
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You know what has to happen for them to get to point number 10?
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In their words, liberation begins when America dies.
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So people defending that are really showing themselves for who they are, right?
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And they do it with their own deception operation.
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They're pretending that they care about good journalism.
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They care about silencing, intimidating, destroying, annihilating, and getting us all to self-censor
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so that we don't cover any of the subjects they don't want us talking about.
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Laura, let me take you to a bigger picture than just Antifa.
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And that is, I said probably 15 years ago that socialists, communists, radicals, anarchists,
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Not that they were coordinating, but they would all see the opportunity, and they would all
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work for the same goal, and that's destruction of capitalism and destruction of the Western
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I don't think there's any doubt in your mind that that's what's happening right now, correct?
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You know, it's really interesting because a few years ago, I probably would not have agreed
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I would have agreed in principle that it's possible for people with the same intent and
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They play every horse in the race and on all sides, and they've been extraordinarily successful
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So it's not that I don't think it's possible, but I now see that you are absolutely correct,
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and you can add to that mix state actors, as they call them in the intelligence world,
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as a number of intelligence professionals have said, right?
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So state actors like China, the Chinese Communist Party, whose ideology appears to align, certainly
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the intent aligns up right now beautifully because the Chinese government does not want
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Donald Trump and his administration anywhere near the Oval Office.
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They do not want to be shut out of the World Trade Organization and global institutions.
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They do not want the U.S. shutting down their vast network, surveillance network that they've
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infiltrated through the universities, but then from there into every kind of business, which
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I'm sure you've talked about on your show many times, and they're not the only ones,
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I mean, very alarmingly, I can't tell you, I can't give away my source, but let's just
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say that the vice president of an allied country to us got in touch with me recently, and when
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he sends me these kind of messages, I'm like, you know, I kind of like, ah, because this man is
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probably the most brilliant man I've ever met in my life, and when he's asking, you know, about
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is this really happening? Because what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing from the region
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is that this is the end of the U.S., and it's looking like this is not going to pass, and
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we're wondering where that leaves us, and America is a beacon in our world. It's a beacon in the
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dark, and if we lose you, we've lost everything. And, you know, when I saw that, this is a country,
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by the way, that we have not been kind to of late. This is not a country that is immune
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to criticizing the United States, and this is somebody I have enormous respect for, who
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is extremely plugged in. When he says the region, he's talking to the region. And so they see
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it. They see it across on the other side of the world. What the New York Times cannot see,