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00:00:09.760 We talked to a 24-year-old candidate who won the GOP nomination for Congress in North Carolina's 11th District.

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00:00:48.220 He's coming out now saying, hey, by the way, I've got to apologize for the alarmism that has seeped into this debate.

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00:01:38.800 I think that we there's something going on within the GOP and the GOP doesn't see it happening and they'll blame it on Trump and everything else.

00:01:54.060 But I don't think it has anything to do with anything other than Americans just don't believe the GOP has a spine.

00:02:02.800 They don't believe they'll actually stand up.

00:02:04.780 I mean, look what's happened in the last few months.

00:02:07.000 Where's the GOP been?

00:02:08.620 Where they been?

00:02:10.140 Where are they?

00:02:11.500 Nowhere.

00:02:12.720 Nowhere.

00:02:13.240 So last night in Colorado, the owner of Shooter's Grill in Rifle, Colorado, could you own a Shooter's Grill in right?

00:02:26.180 Could you even live in Rifle, Colorado and be against the Second Amendment?

00:02:30.140 So anyway, she confronted Beto O'Rourke when he was a Democratic presidential candidate.

00:02:38.040 She stopped in the Denver suburb of Aurora and she came with a Glock on her hip and she said, hell no, you're not going to take our guns. 1.00

00:02:47.500 Well, that actually was music to a lot of people's ears in her district.

00:02:55.180 And so she just beat an incumbent, the five-term Republican candidate and the five-term Republican congressman and somebody that has been endorsed by Donald Trump.

00:03:11.960 So good for you.

00:03:14.240 Good for you.

00:03:15.820 She is apparently a right-wing extremist. 0.83

00:03:19.840 Lauren Boebert.

00:03:21.200 We'll have more on that coming up in just a second.

00:03:23.500 Now, there is also something that happened, I think it was last week, a congressional candidate, 24 years old.

00:03:31.980 He won the GOP nomination for Congress in the 11th congressional district over the GOP, Trump-backed candidate.

00:03:41.240 His name is Madison Cawthorn, and he is an eighth-generation resident in North Carolina's 11th congressional district.

00:03:49.780 And he is joining us now.

00:03:54.360 Madison, are you there?

00:03:56.160 I sure am, Glenn.

00:03:57.360 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:03:59.260 You bet.

00:04:00.180 I'm glad to have you.

00:04:01.480 Let me just start with this.

00:04:03.300 People are spinning this into this is a referendum on Donald Trump.

00:04:09.680 I think this is a referendum on the GOP, not Donald Trump.

00:04:16.060 Would you agree or disagree?

00:04:17.260 I think it's more correct.

00:04:18.400 That's absolutely correct.

00:04:19.860 You know, I'd say over 99% of my voters will be enthusiastically voting for Donald Trump come in November.

00:04:26.240 But what you said earlier about a lot of Americans not believing that the GOP has a spine is absolutely correct.

00:04:35.720 You know, I was in a terrible car accident about seven years ago, so we would always joke on the campaign trails, like, if you want somebody with a spine, mine is literally reinforced with titanium.

00:04:44.860 And, you know, that got a big rise out of the crowd.

00:04:47.580 But I believe that the reason people responded so well to it is because right now they want a fighter.

00:04:53.160 It's not time for genteel politics.

00:04:55.460 This is not a policy war.

00:04:57.440 This is a culture war.

00:04:58.540 We're fighting for the absolute identity of our country.

00:05:01.860 There is a need now in Washington of a sword and a shield, a shield over the Constitution and a sword to protect it.

00:05:13.560 And and hopefully we don't get to real swords or real guns.

00:05:18.240 But with the way things are going, this nation could if if the GOP doesn't stand up or if the GOP loses what little power they have and we lose the White House, it's a very different country come January of next year.

00:05:38.900 Glenn, you're absolutely correct.

00:05:40.840 And that's exactly what you do.

00:05:41.960 We have got to hold the line on the Constitution.

00:05:45.140 But you're right.

00:05:45.720 We have got to put a sword in the hand of the American people. 0.97

00:05:48.460 I want to go to Washington, D.C. to be a weapon, because at this point, we have got to defeat this liberal ideology.

00:05:55.560 It's no longer a fringe movement of this kind of Marxist type revolution.

00:05:59.780 This is an extremely well-funded and well-organized movement that is being led by by Congresswomen's women like AOC and Elon Omar, but also by a lot of ginormous backers who are taking advantage of the Citizens United case to be able to pour a ridiculous amount of money into all these elections to fund, you know, these fringe elements that infiltrate these Black Lives Matter movement.

00:06:22.860 And they're using this this this this tension we have in our in our country right now to be able to take advantage of the American people.

00:06:30.620 I don't want to lose our liberties, and I know you don't either.

00:06:33.320 So let's start fighting.

00:06:34.580 And I think that's what the American people are saying.

00:06:36.580 Yeah, it's not saying that we don't want you, Mr. President.

00:06:38.820 We're saying we want you to have people who will actually fight for you.

00:06:41.580 So what do you think what connected with the voter in North Carolina that was voting for you?

00:06:50.520 Because you won the Trump endorsed candidate.

00:06:53.940 You were 30, if I'm not mistaken, 30 points ahead and you're 24 years old.

00:07:00.900 You're just I mean, what was it that people connected?

00:07:05.100 Well, one, you know, I've got a great story just about overcoming and having the grit and will to kind of survive.

00:07:11.180 Two, I would say, is, you know, being in a wheelchair has taught me kind of empathy, the ability to see people that, you know, have a different background than me and empathize with them and really understand the people who feel like they've been left behind and disenfranchised.

00:07:25.460 And I'll tell you, that's exactly how a significant majority of Republican voters feel.

00:07:30.540 They feel like these people in the kingdom of D.C. are up there just passing decrees.

00:07:35.380 They're a bunch of career politicians.

00:07:36.760 I mean, we saw this evidently in 2016 with that Congress because, you know, we had the House and the Senate and the presidency.

00:07:43.660 And I'm sure I watched your show during that time.

00:07:45.460 I know you believe like I did that maybe just maybe we can see a constitutional republic come soaring back.

00:07:51.500 But these these these these career politicians that were in Washington, D.C., were not working for the best interest of the American people.

00:07:59.280 And we did not see them take advantage of that.

00:08:01.660 And so I think the people of America of America resonated most with the fact that, one, I want to be a messenger to fight for conservatism and take it to a new generation has been deceived.

00:08:11.500 And to the fact that I represent the people of my mountains.

00:08:15.140 This is where I was raised.

00:08:16.160 These are these are this is my family.

00:08:17.660 I will represent them and fight for them as hard as I can.

00:08:22.140 Tell me a little bit about how you lost the ability to walk.

00:08:27.460 So I just been nominated to go to the Naval Academy by Congressman Mark Meadows.

00:08:31.300 My best friend and I were celebrating and, you know, we were two Christian young men.

00:08:35.800 So we were having the best time that we were able to with those boundaries.

00:08:39.600 But so there was no drinking involved.

00:08:41.200 There was nothing like that.

00:08:42.040 But him and I were just on a road trip middle of the day and I was taking a nap in the passenger seat.

00:08:48.560 And for whatever reason, my friend just thought it was a group activity.

00:08:51.680 And so unfortunately, he fell asleep at the steering wheel and we ran into a concrete wall about 70 miles an hour.

00:08:58.300 And, you know, I had about a one percent chance to live.

00:09:01.180 My body was severely burned, very damaged.

00:09:04.060 But you know what?

00:09:04.740 I truly believe it was because of the power of prayer and God and my great doctors and my great medical staff that got me through that.

00:09:11.380 But I was in a hospital for about a year and a month.

00:09:14.140 And so that that taught me a lot of lessons.

00:09:18.240 How's your friend?

00:09:20.320 Thank God he is OK.

00:09:21.880 He was a hero during the accident.

00:09:23.960 And, you know, right now he is he's he's doing great.

00:09:27.160 Obviously, he's got his mental demons he's got to deal with.

00:09:29.400 But we're still very close.

00:09:30.900 And he was a pivotal in saving my life.

00:09:33.020 What was the thing that you learned the most from that?

00:09:38.160 What was the thing that is was the most life changing for you?

00:09:45.400 I would say one day, you know, I obviously got in a pretty dark place just because, yeah, I was an athlete.

00:09:50.880 I had a great mind.

00:09:52.900 But then you have a traumatic brain injury and a terrible your body's taken from you.

00:09:57.260 I got in a pretty dark place.

00:09:59.520 But I will say that there was a moment in my life when I literally made a T graph of pros and cons of if I was going to give up or if I was going to decide to just fight and not look back.

00:10:11.300 And I won by one point on the on the continuing to move on with my life.

00:10:15.600 And so ever since then, I've lived like it's like my last day on Earth.

00:10:18.840 I have a very real sense of my morale, my mortality.

00:10:22.080 And so because of that, I want to make my mark before I leave this Earth.

00:10:26.980 Do you remember what that last checkmark was?

00:10:31.760 Yes, it was the ability to make a difference.

00:10:37.040 I can see why you won by 30 points.

00:10:39.180 You are headed into a nightmare.

00:10:45.540 You are headed into something where you compromise once and they gotcha.

00:10:52.940 You're headed into something that you will, I believe, think death would be a picnic compared to living that life in Washington, D.C.

00:11:06.600 Do you think you're prepared for that?

00:11:11.800 I do.

00:11:12.860 You know, I come from a very long line of family members who've served mainly in the Marine Corps since about the 1780s.

00:11:19.440 So it's a it's a it's a great heritage.

00:11:21.420 I have a duty and sacrifice.

00:11:22.820 But, you know, that's exactly how I see going to Congress.

00:11:26.420 It's not a way to enrich myself or to empower myself.

00:11:29.940 You know, I see this as a duty to my fellow man.

00:11:32.200 And so although I know the more effective I am, the more the media will come after me and I'm ready for that.

00:11:38.020 But unfortunately, I know that, you know, because we won against the Donald Trump endorsement, we were kind of the media darling of, you know, the far right and also the far left.

00:11:47.000 I was on MSNBC in The View and, you know, they treated me all right.

00:11:49.960 It was for a Republican.

00:11:51.800 That's crazy.

00:11:52.480 You know what?

00:11:53.160 I'm very, very aware that that will not last.

00:11:55.800 And so I'm getting ready to take on this onslaught because, you know, I don't want to do this.

00:12:00.460 I'd much rather, you know, be I just got engaged.

00:12:02.820 I'd much rather be focused on getting married and spending time with my wife.

00:12:06.260 But you know what?

00:12:07.560 I take took account of where our country's at.

00:12:09.540 And, you know, as as normal for anybody gets engaged, you know, we were talking about when we want to have a family, what kind of what kind of a world they're going to live in.

00:12:17.240 And, you know, so I was thinking about that one night sitting outside and I had this terrible vision of, you know, my child, whether it's a boy or a girl looking up to me while they're reading a history book and saying, hey, dad, what what was capitalism like?

00:12:30.120 Why is it gone?

00:12:31.360 And I would just be so ashamed if I had to hold my head down and say, well, honey, it's because I didn't stand up and fight.

00:12:38.600 And I think that's what what needs to happen in our country.

00:12:40.960 I just want to lead a patriot revolution to take our country back because, you know, Glenn, I'm sure it's the exact same reason why you started the blaze, why you have this show right here.

00:12:49.960 It's because you realize that this is a battle for the hearts and minds of the future generations.

00:12:54.280 And the Republicans are playing checkers while the Democrats are playing chess.

00:12:57.420 And it's time for us to fight.

00:13:00.320 You give me hope.

00:13:03.060 Sincerely, Madison, you give me hope.

00:13:04.780 I've done this for a long time when you were a little kid.

00:13:08.600 Uh, and, uh, I have been waiting for the generation, uh, to start to come into play.

00:13:17.520 And, uh, and I thank you for that.

00:13:20.820 And thank you for, uh, all that you're about to do.

00:13:26.480 Well, sir, thank you very much.

00:13:28.100 I know that, well, I'll have at least a little bit of backup with guys like you helping fight back against this mainstream media.

00:13:33.840 So I'm looking forward to fighting for us and I won't let you down.

00:13:36.980 I won't let any of us down.

00:13:38.600 Thanks.

00:13:39.620 Um, has the president reached out to you?

00:13:42.520 Yes, that was a, a very fun phone call.

00:13:44.660 Actually, it was on the, the night of victory.

00:13:46.960 Uh, I had a man named James who was working as the, the Air Force One switchboard.

00:13:51.440 He called and asked me to connect me to the president.

00:13:53.240 So I very enthusiastically said yes.

00:13:55.680 And, you know, he uses normal adjectives.

00:13:57.700 He was saying, you know, it was tremendous.

00:13:58.980 It was a beautiful victory.

00:13:59.940 Uh, it seemed like he was almost amused that I was able to overcome his endorsement at this age.

00:14:07.960 I mean, he was really, I would say proud of me and I'm really looking forward to working with him.

00:14:11.780 He's having me come up to the White House in a couple of weeks.

00:14:13.740 And so I'm really looking forward to be able to be someone in Congress who actually wants to push forward the Trump agenda.

00:14:19.600 Uh, I feel like we have so many people who just pay it for that service, but don't actually do it.

00:14:22.720 Well, push forward, uh, Trump agenda or whoever's agenda is most closely aligned with the constitution because you must be a sword and a shield for the constitution because it is in dire, dire trouble.

00:14:37.220 And you strike me as the kind of young man that will take that oath very seriously and don't let anyone.

00:14:44.200 I've had people tell me before, really powerful people, Glenn, we all love the constitution, but these are different times.

00:14:50.480 No, they're not.

00:14:51.800 No, they're not.

00:14:52.600 The only time the constitution matters is when you, it's easier to do something else.

00:14:59.900 So stand for the constitution, Madison, uh, best of luck to you.

00:15:04.540 Yeah. And, uh, thank you so much for being on the program.

00:15:07.600 Actually, one last thing I just want to throw out everyone, please.

00:15:10.460 When you read the constitution, read it through the lens of original intent.

00:15:14.580 This is what our founders wanted for us.

00:15:16.180 And there's nothing new under the sun.

00:15:17.460 So let's push back against that brother.

00:15:20.540 His last words were not to push his website.

00:15:23.960 So I have to do it now.

00:15:25.560 His website is Madison C.A.W. Thorne, Madison Cawthorne.com, Madison Cawthorne.com.

00:15:35.180 Thank you so much, Madison.

00:15:36.440 We'll, uh, hope to watch you in Congress, uh, soon.

00:15:42.120 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:15:49.380 Mike Schellenberger has got to be almost suicidal, um, being introduced and praised by me.

00:15:55.580 It's not going to help his career at all.

00:15:58.480 Uh, but I find him an incredible hero of today's world.

00:16:03.540 He is coming out knowing that this is probably going to be the end of his career.

00:16:08.440 Um, hopefully not.

00:16:09.840 Um, but he is coming out and saying, look, I'm an environmentalist.

00:16:14.600 There are some things going on, but this, this, this craziness about we're all going to die is not true.

00:16:23.000 Author of the book, Apocalypse Never, Mike Schellenberger.

00:16:26.800 Welcome to the program.

00:16:27.660 How are you, Mike?

00:16:28.600 Good.

00:16:28.920 Thanks for having me on, Glenn.

00:16:31.520 You're welcome.

00:16:32.300 I, I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable for you to be on the program, but.

00:16:36.780 Oh, no, not at all.

00:16:38.120 I, I talked to, I believe, I mean, look, that's what America's for, right?

00:16:41.220 We should be able to talk to people we disagree with.

00:16:45.180 Where the hell did you come from? 0.85

00:16:46.620 Did you just wake up or were you, were you cryogenically frozen? 0.97

00:16:50.840 Uh, that's not America anymore, apparently.

00:16:53.720 Um, so Michael, I have great, I have great respect for you because you are saying, look, I'm still an environmentalist.

00:16:59.940 I still care about all these things, but we've got to reign this in.

00:17:04.580 And it's been crazy, crazy what people have been saying that we're going to die in 12 years.

00:17:11.240 And, you know, we, we have no time to reverse all of this.

00:17:14.900 And then their solutions are insane.

00:17:18.200 Why did you decide to go from hero to what could be zero, um, and write this book?

00:17:27.100 Well, I've been an environmentalist for over 30 years.

00:17:29.520 I've been a climate activist for over 20 years.

00:17:31.880 Um, and I'm also a father of a 14 year old, uh, girl and she's fine because I talked to her about the science, but her friends are very scared.

00:17:40.820 A lot of them, um, are afraid they won't live long enough to have children.

00:17:44.920 And they, um, I've talked to them about this and they've said they needed something that really explained the science in a clear way to them.

00:17:52.500 Um, and so I really, I dedicated the book to my children.

00:17:55.820 Um, I wrote this book because, um, I knew that if you just had to pick, if I knew that if adolescent girls had to pick between the image, they would pick Greta Thunberg over me.

00:18:05.260 Um, um, a boring old dad.

00:18:08.180 So I needed to put all of the evidence in one place.

00:18:11.120 Um, my views are very clear.

00:18:13.640 I, I think climate change is real.

00:18:16.100 I think humans are contributing to it.

00:18:18.240 I also know that it's not the end of the world.

00:18:20.920 There's no science that suggests that it's the end of the world, nor that it's apocalyptic or catastrophic.

00:18:25.980 Um, and, um, there's just a lot of stuff people don't know.

00:18:29.940 Most people don't know that, that deaths from natural disasters have declined 90% over the last hundred years.

00:18:35.980 They've declined 80% over the last 40 years.

00:18:39.260 Meanwhile, carbon emissions peaked and declined in most rich countries several decades ago.

00:18:44.160 They peaked and declined in Britain, France, and Germany in the mid seventies.

00:18:48.060 They, they peaked in the United States almost 15 years ago, thanks to the fracking revolution.

00:18:53.580 Thanks to natural gas.

00:18:55.080 Um, you know, these are basic, but now that's bad.

00:18:58.680 Michael, now that's bad.

00:19:00.180 Now.

00:19:00.440 Yeah, sure.

00:19:01.600 Yeah.

00:19:02.400 I mean, in my book, I talk about, you know, the first, there's really three parts to the book.

00:19:06.540 The first part is a debunking of common environmental myths around climate change, Amazon deforestation, plastic waste, meat, uh, species extinction.

00:19:16.900 The second part of the book is how humans actually save nature.

00:19:20.700 How did we save the whales, right?

00:19:22.600 We saved the whales by using petroleum and palm oil instead of using whale oil.

00:19:29.200 So it wasn't Greenpeace that saved the whales.

00:19:31.200 It was American ingenuity, uh, European ingenuity and capitalism. 0.52

00:19:36.660 Um, so I go through how we say, and the last part of the book is why, if environmental problems are important, but manageable, how did we come to see them as the end of the world?

00:19:48.080 And that's where I look at three, the three big factors I view as money, power, and religion, which is basically that as people stop believing in God, as they move, as they stop, as they imagine themselves to be secular or atheists, we have a need as humans for faith.

00:20:05.780 We have a need for belief.

00:20:35.780 How to just kind of feel like, let the chips fall where they may, um, for you, you know, there's just some things that are more important than, than people being mean to you on Twitter.

00:20:45.980 So, and, and, and one of those things is my, is the psychological health of my, of my children and of my children's friends.

00:20:54.660 So, you know, what happened to the, the founder of Greenpeace?

00:20:59.180 I mean, he was one of the original founders.

00:21:00.740 They, they wanted to pan an element on the table of elements.

00:21:04.820 And he said, they said, you can't do that.

00:21:07.040 Uh, he said, they can't, you, you, you can't ban an element.

00:21:10.340 Um, and he was no longer welcome.

00:21:13.560 And he doesn't have a name with the cowardice that is going on right now, even though you were very well reasoned.

00:21:22.040 Um, I mean, honestly, you, you would be the kind of guy where I would feel comfortable saying I'm an environmentalist because I, I am.

00:21:31.800 I own a lot of property, um, and I care about the environment.

00:21:37.360 I care about the earth.

00:21:38.840 I want clean water.

00:21:40.640 I want clean air, but the, the, the people that are running these things, I, I grew up with my grandfather who was a farmer in the Pacific Northwest.

00:21:50.800 And he said, these people have zero experience.

00:21:55.080 They are stopping the controlled burns.

00:21:57.440 They're going to be responsible for burning down the entire West when they started messing with the, with the, uh, balance of the wolves in, uh, in, um, uh, Yellowstone.

00:22:10.200 He said the same thing.

00:22:11.620 They don't know. 0.98

00:22:12.620 They're so arrogant and they have no practical experience.

00:22:16.680 You, you talk about the kind of common sense things that the person who's actually living it believes and can do.

00:22:26.000 Where are the rest of them?

00:22:29.260 Well, I mean, I think the interesting thing while I was doing research for apocalypse, never, I discovered that the vast majority of scientists are good scientists.

00:22:37.380 So I, I, in part of this, I wrote this book to defend the science and the majority of scientists, the silent majority, um, who stick to the facts.

00:22:47.420 There's, there's a small, tiny, it's not even a mind.

00:22:50.280 It's a small handful of apocalyptic Malthusian scientists, scientists who think there's too many people in the world who, um, give their information to people like Greta Thunberg.

00:23:01.020 I interviewed them.

00:23:02.680 So I interviewed the four main apocalyptic scientists and it was very interesting.

00:23:07.920 First of all, all four of them immediately, their intuitive response was to blame journalists for having misquoted them, which, uh, you can make of that, which you, which you will.

00:23:19.580 Um, I mean, what I did in this book and the research for it is I basically went to the sources and I said, what, what are you pointing to that you think is catastrophic or apocalyptic?

00:23:29.200 And none of them could answer that question.

00:23:31.940 They all came up short.

00:23:33.320 I called them out on it.

00:23:34.900 I first called them out on it last year in Forbes because I wanted to give them a chance to respond and, and, and try to correct me or cancel me or something.

00:23:43.840 None of them did because when you stand up to bullies, they back down. 0.97

00:23:49.180 Actually, all bullies are actually cowards. 0.93

00:23:51.780 And I stood up to them last year. 0.58

00:23:53.640 None of them, none of them defended themselves because they knew I had caught them out on this.

00:23:57.300 So now it's in the book and there's in, in, in Apocalypse Never, I go through exactly what you said.

00:24:03.880 All of the increase in frequency and intensity of fires in the United States, Australia are due to more, uh, buildup of wood fuel and forests because we environmentalists don't like smoke and fires.

00:24:19.460 Um, it's the buildup of wood fuel and forest and it's more houses near forests.

00:24:23.740 Those two things.

00:24:25.020 Now, is there, is, is, are the, is the fire season growing in length?

00:24:29.740 Yes, it is.

00:24:31.120 Um, is, is, is hotter weather contributing to fires?

00:24:34.880 Probably is.

00:24:36.280 Here's the thing.

00:24:37.240 It's, it's not that climate change isn't happening or that's not having any effect.

00:24:40.640 It's that it's being outweighed still by these other factors.

00:24:45.840 I mean, look at flooding, for example.

00:24:48.600 Um, if you go to the, the difference between whether you are flooded or not depends on whether you have a flood control system.

00:24:55.520 It doesn't matter whether you have one or two inches more rainfall.

00:24:58.200 And yet, if you read the New York times, you would think that, that, that floods that are occurring are because of climate change.

00:25:04.580 Well, no, they're because of inadequate flood control, which is something that we can control.

00:25:09.380 I mean, that's good news.

00:25:10.660 So there's a lot of good news here, you know, um, even the amount of land that we use for food production has been going down, which is wonderful news because that's the main impact that humans have on the natural environment.

00:25:22.120 So really everything that people have been told about, almost everything that people have been told about the environment is wrong on the facts.

00:25:28.780 I go through it all on Apocalypse Never, and then I want to go a step further and say, what really matters and how is it that everybody became so crazy?

00:25:36.900 Now, the reaction to your book, science, does it, do the scientists know that they've set themselves back like 500 years by silencing debate and dissent and, you know, the settle, the science is settled and maybe we should put, you know, deniers into jail and everything else.

00:25:56.720 Do they know how much damage that has been done to their, to their trade and to their craft and to the, to, to science itself?

00:26:06.720 Yeah, some do.

00:26:07.640 Now, I was invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to become an expert reviewer late last year.

00:26:14.680 I know that came because I had been criticizing the alarmism.

00:26:18.520 I was also invited to testify in front of Congress.

00:26:20.940 I've been invited to testify in front of, to governments around the world.

00:26:24.260 And I know for a fact that there are many scientists who are very good people and good scientists who totally disagree with the alarmism, but they're afraid of their colleagues.

00:26:33.980 I mean, you have to remember that the alarmist scientists who are truly in the grip of this toxic religion are bullies.

00:26:42.100 They are, they literally, their tactics are bullying tactics.

00:26:45.200 And I actually described them and discovered them, but I just, I have known about them for a long time.

00:26:49.760 Uh, I myself have been a subject to them.

00:26:53.300 And so they, they try to, they try to, they make all sorts of, they lie about you.

00:26:58.440 They claim that you're taking money from somebody.

00:27:00.840 They claim that you're, you know, that you hate nature or something.

00:27:05.040 Um, they basically just attack you personally.

00:27:08.500 And, but what I find is that when you confront them and you stand up to them on the evidence and you get, uh, you get a very clear, and I, and that's why there's a hundred pages of my 400 page book are all footnotes.

00:27:20.460 They're all scientific references.

00:27:23.000 So I think the reason they're, they're attacking my book, and you may have noticed that I was sent, my Forbes column was taken down.

00:27:29.340 Um, but the, the, the, the defensiveness is, I think, justified.

00:27:34.760 They know that my book is dangerous to the radical left, which took over the conservation movement in the sixties.

00:27:41.200 They know that my book is devastating for the alarmist and apocalyptic case.

00:27:46.620 That's why they're freaking out about it.

00:27:49.200 Um, so, you know, I'm, I'm confident that I, you know, that in the longterm truth will win out.

00:27:55.880 I mean, obviously there's this bigger problem of what do you do with people that, that they need to believe in something and they end up making up all sorts of bad religions.

00:28:05.400 I don't know how to solve that problem, but certainly I think on the evidence, I, my hope is that apocalypse never will, will reset the conversation.

00:28:15.480 You, you remind me of, uh, of Nietzsche and his warning of God is dead.

00:28:20.820 That wasn't a celebration.

00:28:21.760 That was a warning.

00:28:22.580 Look out, be careful because you're going to create a God.

00:28:25.840 And we saw what happened in, in his own, uh, home country and it eventually did burn itself out.

00:28:31.440 Unfortunately, it took so many people with it.

00:28:34.080 I hope we don't have to go through, uh, that and this religion, um, Michael, uh, anything that you could possibly need.

00:28:42.740 Um, we will stand with you.

00:28:44.740 I know how brave, uh, you are.

00:28:48.240 I know, uh, what you're up against and I, I commend you for it.

00:28:53.540 Even if we don't agree on everything, it doesn't matter.

00:28:56.460 Standing up and having courage is the only currency that matters really, uh, in the world today.

00:29:04.020 We are in a frightening time and you are a leader in courage.

00:29:08.460 Thank you so much.

00:29:09.880 And I urge you to go on.

00:29:12.660 You bet.

00:29:13.480 I urge you to go out and purchase apocalypse.

00:29:16.260 Never, uh, by Michael Schellenberger.

00:29:19.460 Make this a number one, New York times bestseller.

00:29:22.760 Go and buy this book right now.

00:29:26.580 Apocalypse.

00:29:27.340 Never.

00:29:28.420 Uh, I have not read it yet.

00:29:30.080 I'm buying it today.

00:29:31.040 Stu has read it, uh, and wholly endorse it.

00:29:35.200 Stu.

00:29:35.500 Wholly endorse it.

00:29:36.160 It's a great book.

00:29:36.780 It's one of those books.

00:29:37.420 You're going to go back to a million times when your annoying friend brings up one of these claims and you're going to be able to have all the links, all of it.

00:29:44.100 It's great.

00:29:44.500 It's great.

00:29:45.060 I'm going to buy a copy for my kids as well.

00:29:47.740 Apocalypse.

00:29:48.480 Never get that book right now.

00:29:52.760 I'm going to buy a copy for my kids as well.

The Glenn Beck Program - July 01, 2020

Best of The Program ｜ Guests： Madison Cawthorn, Jarrett Stepman, & Michael Shellenberger ｜ 7⧸1⧸20

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