The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guests： Michael Malice, Dan Ikenson & Ami Horowitz

00:00:00.000 Hello, podcasters. We've got a great show lined up for you today.

00:00:03.580 We talk a little bit about the war in Iran, Bitcoin up, the Dow way down, gold way up.

00:00:10.120 Also, the death of the old order and common sense.

00:00:15.600 Stu kind of had an epic story today of somebody here in Texas who's a bartender

00:00:21.260 who is now facing a year in jail because she over-served someone.

00:00:25.900 But it was four drinks and two of them were beers in four hours.

00:00:31.120 Wait until you hear this story coming up.

00:00:33.800 Also, Michael Malice, he's got a new book out called The New Right.

00:00:38.760 We talk about my favorite president, Woodrow Wilson.

00:00:42.860 How much I hate him. He hates him too.

00:00:46.060 But he is defining the new right. That's coming up.

00:00:48.900 We also show you a clip of Mike Lee that I think you're going to want to hear.

00:00:54.900 And also, Ami Horowitz, a guy who is now running for president.

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00:02:40.260 So are we going to war with Iran?

00:02:44.120 I don't think so.

00:02:45.740 Because it would be not a good thing.

00:02:51.360 It would be much better for them to collapse like the Soviet Union did.

00:02:56.020 But Iran is in a box.

00:03:00.060 We've trapped them in this box.

00:03:02.220 And the Saudis yesterday said that they did hit those Saudi oil tankers.

00:03:08.480 One of them was bringing oil to us.

00:03:10.340 So they're trying to disrupt the Middle East and they're trying to disrupt the global economy.

00:03:15.740 And bring everybody down.

00:03:18.740 Yesterday, looks like we have a plan now for 120,000 troops to go over to Iran for an invasion.

00:03:27.340 But this is just a plan that they updated.

00:03:30.860 It doesn't mean that it's actually going to happen.

00:03:33.200 I'm hoping that it's not because it will not be easy.

00:03:36.700 Not that Iraq was easy, but it will not be in Iraq.

00:03:39.920 It will be much bloodier and much worse.

00:03:45.400 Iran is just one step up, it would say, from Afghanistan and from Iraq.

00:03:53.540 So I don't think we're going there.

00:03:56.660 I think Donald Trump is the president when it comes to foreign affairs.

00:04:02.100 He's the president that I've always wanted to have.

00:04:05.120 I've always said, you know, the president needs to have like a twitchy eye.

00:04:09.880 Not with our allies and not with us.

00:04:12.320 I want to know whose side he's on.

00:04:14.880 I want to know, no, he wouldn't do that.

00:04:17.260 But the bad actors in the world should look at our president and go, you know, he's just crazy.

00:04:26.760 He just might do that.

00:04:28.520 And I think that works to our favor.

00:04:31.620 You want to appear stable and yet just crazy enough to go, you know what, let's do it.

00:04:40.040 And I think that's what he's doing, but I don't know.

00:04:44.960 The tariffs are a good example of he does keep his word.

00:04:50.360 You know, he has said, and this is one of the things that I was really concerned about were these tariffs.

00:04:55.340 Because that is the one thing he has said for 40 years.

00:05:00.480 He's for tariffs.

00:05:02.240 The free market is what has changed the world.

00:05:06.480 And whenever you get into a trade war, it usually leads to a hot war.

00:05:12.220 It is.

00:05:13.060 It's what happened in World War II.

00:05:15.680 You just don't want to put tariffs up.

00:05:19.120 World War II, we put the tariffs up and that was really the catalyst.

00:05:22.280 Now, we were in a different situation, but that was the catalyst for the Great Depression, the Smoot-Hawley Act.

00:05:28.960 It was not good.

00:05:30.300 They never work out to anyone's favor.

00:05:33.700 Now, if the president is playing hardball, that's good.

00:05:38.980 However, it needs to change pretty quickly.

00:05:42.740 He's going to lose the farm vote, and that's very concerning to me.

00:05:46.920 These farmers have been, you know, they have really been supportive of him every step of the way.

00:05:54.520 And when they were, you know, I mean, you want to talk about taking one for the team.

00:05:59.600 You see the movie Chernobyl.

00:06:01.700 Are you watching the miniseries?

00:06:02.800 I've only seen the first episode.

00:06:04.020 Don't spoil it for me.

00:06:05.020 There better not be a meltdown.

00:06:06.260 I won't.

00:06:06.600 I won't.

00:06:07.200 Is there something go wrong with this plant?

00:06:09.120 Is that what happens?

00:06:09.940 Darn it, Glenn!

00:06:11.960 Yes.

00:06:12.760 Unbelievable.

00:06:13.740 Spoiler alert.

00:06:14.380 Yeah, so, well, I mean, everybody knows what's happening in that.

00:06:17.880 It's in the first episode, and it's a part of history.

00:06:20.580 Anyway, but last night, they were looking for volunteers to do things.

00:06:25.560 And one of the guys, one of the Soviets said, they're all like, you're crazy.

00:06:31.620 We're not doing that.

00:06:33.080 And he said, that's what we do.

00:06:36.820 That's what we've always done.

00:06:39.780 And there is always a crisis in every generation.

00:06:42.860 And this is our generation's crisis.

00:06:45.180 And you will do it, or millions will die.

00:06:49.320 Who wants to volunteer?

00:06:50.700 And they all knew they were volunteering for about 20 minutes of life.

00:06:54.320 And it's an amazing scene.

00:06:56.200 There really were legitimate heroes in that story.

00:06:59.500 That were Soviet citizens that stepped up and did crazy stuff they never should have done.

00:07:04.180 And all of the people that are involved, all of the people that are now involved in the second, they're all starting to realize, I'm dead soon.

00:07:12.460 And it's amazing what they do.

00:07:14.940 I only bring that up because I look at the farmers.

00:07:18.440 The farmers, they voted for Donald Trump.

00:07:21.980 And they were willing to put their money and their livelihood where their mouth was because they're the ones that were on the front line of these tariffs.

00:07:31.700 They're being destroyed right now.

00:07:34.680 Just destroyed.

00:07:35.580 Intentionally by China.

00:07:36.560 They're targeting red states and politically sensitive districts to target the tariffs because they know it will make a maximum impact.

00:07:45.360 And honestly, so far, the Trump administration has done two things.

00:07:50.540 One is say, well, we'll just take this tax money and redistribute it to those people.

00:07:55.100 I'm not sure what party that is.

00:07:56.520 I thought that was a Democrat thing to do, to take tax money and redistribute it to their chosen parties.

00:08:00.240 That's also central planning, though.

00:08:02.020 Yeah, that's very scary to me.

00:08:03.500 It's bad.

00:08:03.700 And secondarily, though, and this is one I think has more, I don't know, to me, credibility, is, you know, the bottom line is, where are they going to go?

00:08:11.600 Where are they going?

00:08:12.540 Are you going to go vote for one of these people?

00:08:13.780 I mean, so, I mean, you know, yes, this policy is hurting them, but I mean, what are they going to do?

00:08:18.200 I don't know.

00:08:18.760 Are they going to go vote for Elizabeth Warren?

00:08:21.460 Yeah.

00:08:21.720 I mean, where are you going?

00:08:23.160 It's just bad.

00:08:24.400 It's just, it's going to create a forgotten man again.

00:08:28.940 Nobody's paying attention to the farmers who have taken one for the team.

00:08:33.440 They really have.

00:08:34.680 We might have paid higher prices on this or that.

00:08:37.920 They've taken one for the team.

00:08:39.640 They're about to lose their farms.

00:08:41.080 And we need to be grateful to the farmers and support our farmers because they don't know what to do.

00:08:49.500 Now, Donald Trump said yesterday, well, we'll see what happens.

00:08:52.500 We're going to meet in June.

00:08:53.460 But I just want to point out, after he got his trade deal with Mexico and Canada, he did not remove the tariffs because he likes the tariffs.

00:09:03.460 He thinks it's good policy.

00:09:04.840 And he told us that 100,000 times.

00:09:06.900 Right.

00:09:07.100 I mean, he does believe it.

00:09:08.140 Right.

00:09:08.340 And he has been consistent on that for as long as he's been in the public eye.

00:09:11.260 Now, people are concerned that China is going to dump our treasuries.

00:09:14.800 I don't think so, because they've already done that and it hurt them.

00:09:19.840 Remember, it was about a year ago.

00:09:21.260 They came out and said, we're getting out of the treasury business.

00:09:23.400 And they started dumping our treasuries.

00:09:25.840 It didn't hurt us.

00:09:27.460 It really hurt them.

00:09:29.840 So there's a chance that they've already learned that lesson.

00:09:33.440 They don't know if I want to do that because they were the victim of that scheme that they did.

00:09:40.860 But this is why gold is up.

00:09:42.340 I think gold is having its best week in I don't even know how many years.

00:09:47.100 Bitcoin, they declared today Bitcoin the winter of...

00:09:51.200 Crypto winter is over.

00:09:52.060 It's over.

00:09:54.060 And that is because people are starting to say, what I want to talk to you about today, the new world order is being formed.

00:10:03.880 The old world order is gone.

00:10:07.860 And I don't think that it's coming back.

00:10:11.640 And that goes all the way to the court system.

00:10:14.900 It goes to our school systems.

00:10:17.420 I mean, look how much has changed.

00:10:19.980 Do you even recognize your country anymore?

00:10:24.460 Do you recognize?

00:10:25.760 Is the old world order still there?

00:10:29.300 It's been undermined at every step of the way.

00:10:32.620 It's faltering and it appears as though everyone is building something new.

00:10:41.900 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:10:58.480 Welcome to the program.

00:10:59.520 There was a mass shooting, what, two years ago, of people just watching a Dallas Cowboys game.

00:11:08.520 And it turned out to be a, you know, a jilted ex-husband or estranged husband.

00:11:15.080 Right.

00:11:16.020 Now, he's gone to jail, right?

00:11:18.620 Or is he dead?

00:11:19.400 He's dead.

00:11:19.840 But now, somebody else has gone to jail.

00:11:23.180 Somebody else is to blame.

00:11:24.600 And that is the bartender who served him before he left to murder his family.

00:11:31.240 Yes.

00:11:31.880 And so, my first case here is just basically like, it's a ridiculous law.

00:11:37.060 When I went through training at a restaurant, they trained us on this.

00:11:39.140 You got to make sure that, you know, no one is drunk, that you're serving drinks.

00:11:42.560 It's just a ridiculous expectation.

00:11:44.100 Well, 19-year-olds should know, right?

00:11:46.360 The blood alcohol level of the patrons they're serving.

00:11:49.160 Right.

00:11:49.480 They should know that.

00:11:50.580 Yeah, of course.

00:11:51.440 They should be able to.

00:11:52.120 Intuitively.

00:11:52.620 Hundreds at a time, by the way.

00:11:53.520 Obviously, you can't, by law, test them.

00:11:55.440 But you should just look at them and know.

00:11:57.120 Yeah.

00:11:57.380 And even though you might be a server who's not even of age of drinking.

00:12:01.160 So, you would have legally no way to recognize what drunk even is.

00:12:05.900 That's just nuts.

00:12:06.800 But that is the law.

00:12:08.060 And the ones that you're really worried about, you know, are the nice ones, you know?

00:12:14.140 You're not worried about saying, oh, I'm sorry, sir, but I think you've had enough.

00:12:18.120 What the hell do you mean I've had enough?

00:12:20.540 That never, never happens.

00:12:23.580 Okay.

00:12:23.860 So, let me give you the rest of this.

00:12:25.220 Now, Glenn, as an alcoholic, you're talking about in recovery-ish.

00:12:30.220 Yes.

00:12:31.080 Finally, I'm an expert.

00:12:32.340 Yeah.

00:12:32.620 You're an expert on something.

00:12:33.440 Talking about, if you believe this to be a legitimate law, okay?

00:12:38.800 The bartender, okay, this person's way over the line.

00:12:41.360 It's ridiculous.

00:12:42.380 How many drinks would you have to serve them, would you say?

00:12:45.040 I mean, it depends on 20?

00:12:47.020 Like, 12?

00:12:48.740 15?

00:12:49.180 It depends on how you're mixing them.

00:12:50.860 And it depends on their size, their weight, and their tolerance.

00:12:56.620 Tolerance changes for everybody.

00:12:58.120 And you're expecting restaurant workers to judge that.

00:13:00.920 Right.

00:13:01.100 Of course.

00:13:01.500 That's a complicated biological-

00:13:03.960 You could have served me in a restaurant.

00:13:06.000 I could have ordered a Jack and Coke, and it probably wouldn't have touched me until I

00:13:10.300 had maybe eight.

00:13:12.840 Eight?

00:13:13.580 Yeah.

00:13:13.780 Okay.

00:13:14.100 Wow.

00:13:14.740 Because you're getting a little, you know, you're getting two fingers of Jack, and that's

00:13:18.520 nothing.

00:13:19.220 Nothing to someone like you.

00:13:20.520 Correct.

00:13:21.200 So, let me give you the first piece of evidence here, beyond the fact that the law is ridiculous.

00:13:24.720 The man who did this murder was served five drinks.

00:13:30.840 Total.

00:13:32.120 He was served five drinks.

00:13:35.140 Over the time period of?

00:13:36.660 Great question.

00:13:38.700 But first, let me give you this.

00:13:40.260 Okay.

00:13:40.720 Lindsay Glass.

00:13:41.180 Minute and a half.

00:13:41.580 If it's a minute and a half.

00:13:42.960 Right.

00:13:43.260 Yes.

00:13:43.520 You might be onto something.

00:13:44.340 Okay.

00:13:45.060 But let me give you this.

00:13:46.320 Lindsay Glass, the woman who was charged here.

00:13:48.820 She's not gone to prison yet, but she's been charged with this crime.

00:13:51.500 She only served him four of the drinks.

00:13:53.560 So, now we're at a point where now we're charging this woman for essentially accessory

00:13:57.780 to a mass shooting because she served a guy four drinks.

00:14:00.960 What was she serving him?

00:14:02.720 I will give you that here in one second.

00:14:04.160 Okay.

00:14:05.120 Oh, the four drinks.

00:14:05.840 Here we go.

00:14:06.120 Two well gins and two beers.

00:14:09.120 That's nothing.

00:14:10.100 That's nothing.

00:14:11.180 For even the generic average drinker, that is nothing.

00:14:15.720 Now, let me give you more, though.

00:14:17.080 This was over two visits.

00:14:20.560 What?

00:14:21.320 Two visits to the bar.

00:14:22.940 Like in the same night?

00:14:23.820 In the same night.

00:14:24.580 Okay.

00:14:24.880 Here are the details.

00:14:25.840 The first visit was near 2.30 in the afternoon.

00:14:28.820 The second visit was four hours later.

00:14:31.800 Oh, this is ridiculous.

00:14:32.480 Get out of here.

00:14:33.520 So, now we're talking about she served four drinks over the course of four hours, which

00:14:38.520 you could, if nothing else happened, you could drive and not be near the legal limit

00:14:43.780 if you had four drinks in four hours.

00:14:45.680 That's like nothing.

00:14:46.080 Two beers is nothing.

00:14:47.060 Nothing.

00:14:47.600 Two beers.

00:14:48.160 I mean, I'm operating the lawnmower and not yet thinking I can turn this thing over and

00:14:53.600 clean the blaze while it's on.

00:14:55.340 Right.

00:14:56.020 Now, it may now not occur to me that that would be a bad idea.

00:15:05.740 But when I was drinking, no problem.

00:15:08.600 Now, she suspected that he may have gone to another bar in between.

00:15:13.660 Okay.

00:15:13.960 Because he did, to her, appear to be a little tipsy.

00:15:17.420 Now, that's where it goes from there.

00:15:18.620 She actually texted a co-worker, a guy named Timothy Banks, from the bar about her concern

00:15:24.600 over his behavior and asked him to come to talk to the guy.

00:15:29.060 So, she's now taken an additional step.

00:15:30.960 She's texted a co-worker, told him to come in and actually talk to the guy to make sure

00:15:34.320 everything was okay.

00:15:35.260 Did she serve the beers first or second?

00:15:38.300 Second.

00:15:38.700 Second.

00:15:40.340 So, she's not even giving him hard liquor.

00:15:42.700 Right.

00:15:42.740 It's, yeah.

00:15:43.840 She's concerned and serving him beer.

00:15:48.260 Yeah.

00:15:48.760 Okay.

00:15:49.200 Now, she says he's drunk and being weird and he keeps saying he has to put someone in his

00:15:54.600 place.

00:15:55.640 Now, this is the big evidence against her.

00:15:57.340 Now, look, that is very, if you take out all tough talk by people who are buzzed at a

00:16:03.940 bar, it will be like a library.

00:16:05.600 There will be no speaking going on.

00:16:08.000 Like, a bartender will tell you they hear people say crap like that all the time.

00:16:12.460 It's a bar.

00:16:13.280 If you take out all tough talk and offensive talk, you have to get rid of almost everybody

00:16:20.080 in the new Democratic Party.

00:16:23.480 Exactly.

00:16:24.940 Okay.

00:16:25.320 So, now, again, four drinks over four hours and two visits.

00:16:30.240 The last two were beers.

00:16:32.200 She does think he's drunk and she's a little worried.

00:16:35.100 She texts a co-worker, has him come in to actually talk to him to see if everything's

00:16:38.820 okay.

00:16:39.680 So, then, the guy tries to leave the bar.

00:16:42.420 She tries to stop him from leaving the bar.

00:16:46.020 Now, I don't know if this 27-year-old woman is supposed to overpower him, tackle him, put

00:16:50.600 him in a stranglehold, because she surely would have gone to prison for that if she had

00:16:55.020 assaulted him.

00:16:56.060 She tries to actually stop him from leaving the bar.

00:16:58.620 These are not facts that are...

00:17:00.000 How'd she do that?

00:17:01.340 I mean, I guess they try to talk him out of it and say, no, you should stay.

00:17:05.960 And there's only a certain amount you can do.

00:17:08.060 We have free will in this country.

00:17:09.260 You're allowed to leave places when you want to leave them.

00:17:11.600 Okay.

00:17:12.040 But, again, if you say, all right, then, she just gave up.

00:17:14.220 Well, that's just terrible.

00:17:15.080 And then, he went and shot all these people.

00:17:16.280 No!

00:17:17.100 She then left the bar to try to find him.

00:17:20.340 You've got to be kidding.

00:17:21.300 Okay?

00:17:21.540 So, she leaves the bar and starts driving around trying to find this guy.

00:17:25.600 She's so concerned about it.

00:17:26.840 Oh, my God.

00:17:27.220 Okay.

00:17:27.560 So, all right.

00:17:28.080 Okay.

00:17:28.380 Well, that's it.

00:17:29.240 Well, she actually does find him.

00:17:32.080 She successfully locates this guy after he leaves the house and finds the guy at the

00:17:37.720 house that we're talking about where the mass shooting eventually goes on.

00:17:40.880 How did she know to go there?

00:17:42.560 Did she know the guy personally?

00:17:43.520 I guess he was a regular.

00:17:45.040 So, he had been in there and she knew him.

00:17:47.000 Wow.

00:17:47.260 She actually called him at one point, her friend.

00:17:50.280 Okay.

00:17:51.060 So, what does she do then?

00:17:52.180 Okay.

00:17:52.460 She finds the guy and then does nothing?

00:17:54.100 No.

00:17:54.760 She then calls 911.

00:17:56.760 Oh, my gosh.

00:17:58.160 Calls 911 and reports that she has a friend in danger who is in possession of a gun and

00:18:04.140 a knife.

00:18:05.660 So, she has gone like 10 steps past where she needs to go on this.

00:18:09.640 What was she supposed to do?

00:18:10.860 Right.

00:18:11.540 Then, they leave the house and Banks, the friend, drives Glass back to the bar.

00:18:18.980 Lindsay Glass is the person I'm talking about.

00:18:21.660 Then, he, the person she initially texted to see if the situation was going to go okay,

00:18:27.580 goes back to the house again.

00:18:30.560 Then, while he's on the way to the house, he flags down a uniformed county sheriff's deputy

00:18:36.300 and tells him about the concerning behavior.

00:18:40.260 At that point, they start getting ready to go over there and that's when the shooting

00:18:44.640 happens and everyone responds to go for the shooting.

00:18:48.020 How are they responsible at all?

00:18:50.620 Right.

00:18:51.180 Did everything they possibly could except make a citizen's arrest on the guy.

00:18:54.520 Exactly.

00:18:54.740 I think legitimately, I think legitimately, Lindsay Glass in this situation should be viewed

00:18:59.160 as a hero.

00:19:00.820 I mean, this is a person who went way above and beyond what a normal person would be thought

00:19:05.180 of to, if she's trying to stop someone she believes is dangerous, who she knows is armed and had

00:19:10.300 too much to drink, and she's going out there trying to stop them at this house to make sure

00:19:15.200 nothing bad happens.

00:19:16.140 Can I tell you something?

00:19:19.260 She would be free today if she just didn't say anything and did nothing.

00:19:26.300 Yep.

00:19:26.860 If he just left and she said I didn't notice.

00:19:29.080 He had four drinks, but because she alerted a co-worker and then left the bar to go track

00:19:37.180 him down to stop him.

00:19:38.200 And expressed that she had concerns.

00:19:39.360 Right.

00:19:39.780 Because she was doing the right thing.

00:19:42.580 Yeah.

00:19:43.700 Trying to do the right thing.

00:19:45.240 She's being penalized for it.

00:19:45.760 She's being penalized for it.

00:19:47.120 If this is, you know, this, this, when you look at the former Soviet Union and any places

00:19:55.280 that have had dictatorial rule, your neighbors don't say anything.

00:20:00.800 They don't report on anything.

00:20:02.680 They never do anything.

00:20:04.800 They look, they say they could see you being beaten to a bloody pump, a pulp, and they turn

00:20:10.660 their eyes and they move on because they don't want to get involved.

00:20:15.440 Why?

00:20:16.180 Because it's always used against them.

00:20:18.620 Um, here's this woman getting involved, trying to do the right thing as a human being.

00:20:25.200 And what happens?

00:20:26.500 Do you think the next bartender is going to do what she did?

00:20:30.640 Oh, God.

00:20:31.500 Not with this outcome.

00:20:32.300 You just hope to look the other way and not notice.

00:20:34.280 It was four drinks.

00:20:35.640 Yeah.

00:20:35.900 Two beers.

00:20:36.900 And over four hours.

00:20:38.220 And his blood alcohol level was very high.

00:20:40.900 However, four drinks over four hours almost doesn't change your blood alcohol level at

00:20:44.580 all.

00:20:44.860 You might have a 0.04, a 0.02.

00:20:49.120 Like you're going to have, you're not above the legal limit.

00:20:51.280 I mean, this is basic.

00:20:52.960 You know, I remember being in health class when I was a kid and they said, you know,

00:20:56.380 basically one drink per hour is what your body will burn off.

00:20:59.840 So four drinks in four hours to her, everything that she served them probably didn't change

00:21:05.140 this guy's blood alcohol level at all.

00:21:06.960 And let me give you this last piece.

00:21:08.080 As this is all going on, this tragic shooting, she is brought in by deputies the night it's

00:21:15.220 going on in interviews with detectives.

00:21:17.620 They commended her for her actions and the lives that she saved.

00:21:21.280 Oh, my God.

00:21:22.500 And now she might be going to jail for a year for this.

00:21:27.360 It is a disgrace.

00:21:29.140 So she hasn't been convicted yet?

00:21:30.960 No.

00:21:31.740 No.

00:21:32.300 And she shouldn't.

00:21:33.020 She's going to try.

00:21:33.860 She's being charged at all is possibly ridiculous.

00:21:36.720 I can't believe a Texas jury would convict her.

00:21:40.220 A year and a half after this happened, they're trying to bring her into jail for this?

00:21:45.240 I mean, that is, I mean, it's inexplicable.

00:21:49.080 This is despicable.

00:21:50.780 This is the death of common sense.

00:21:52.460 Yes.

00:21:53.200 Just the death of common sense.

00:21:55.360 You want a new world order?

00:21:56.620 Here it is.

00:21:57.980 Here it is.

00:21:58.920 The death of personal responsibility.

00:22:00.820 The death of common sense.

00:22:02.020 I mean, looking at the facts here, what on earth do you expect a 25-year-old bartender

00:22:08.260 to do in this situation?

00:22:09.860 What is she supposed to do?

00:22:11.940 She did 10 times more than I would even think of doing in that situation.

00:22:16.360 I'm not going to this guy's house when he's drunk and armed.

00:22:21.800 A woman going there, which you did have one guy with her, but still, I would not even think

00:22:25.720 of doing that.

00:22:26.500 That is like, it's so far above and beyond.

00:22:28.900 It's like saying like, you know, you pass a homeless person in the street and you might

00:22:32.280 give him, you know, some money.

00:22:33.560 It's like the, it's like a Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

00:22:36.820 He like brings her into that, brings the homeless guy in the house, gives him soup, tries to

00:22:40.680 warm him up, gives him a place to stay and he keeps dying and he just can't do anything

00:22:44.200 about it.

00:22:44.680 Like, what the hell is she supposed to do?

00:22:47.660 She did way more than I think any citizen would normally do.

00:22:51.780 I have to tell you, I would have just called 911.

00:22:56.240 He walks out.

00:22:57.220 We tried to get him to stay at the most and yeah, there you go.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:23:02.220 Good luck.

00:23:02.700 I mean, because the same thing would have happened.

00:23:04.160 I would have worked probably.

00:23:05.420 If you would have said, we got to go find this guy.

00:23:09.780 No, how if that was, if that was my girlfriend or my wife who told me that I would say no

00:23:15.480 way or no way, honey, seriously, this could be not today's world.

00:23:19.560 Right.

00:23:19.800 Exactly.

00:23:20.440 Call the police.

00:23:21.640 Yeah.

00:23:21.860 And like, look, they're going to say that like, that's what she maybe should have done

00:23:24.940 earlier, but I mean, you know, look, this is someone she knew was seemingly a regular.

00:23:28.440 She tried to prevent, she did everything she could.

00:23:30.660 And if she, let's just say she tried to get somebody else.

00:23:33.040 Hey, am I crazy?

00:23:34.260 That's the first thing you do.

00:23:36.000 The first thing you do because we have the normalcy bias and our, our brain is telling

00:23:41.960 us it's fine.

00:23:42.780 You're not sensing that.

00:23:44.140 So the first thing we do is go, Hey, is there something wrong with a reactor or is it just

00:23:50.860 me before Chernobyl blows?

00:23:53.980 Right.

00:23:54.500 Exactly.

00:23:55.180 You, you don't go, this thing's going to blow.

00:23:57.860 You go, Hey, um, I'm thinking, I mean, this sounds crazy cause it's not supposed to blow,

00:24:05.000 but do you think it might blow?

00:24:07.860 Yeah.

00:24:08.020 And she's, she's going to the point where she's like pouring a pitcher of water over the

00:24:11.200 core to try to cool it down.

00:24:12.420 I mean, she goes way beyond, way beyond.

00:24:14.440 I mean, I just cannot believe in Texas of all places that they could look at that and

00:24:19.520 use any level of common sense and try to do say that she did anything.

00:24:23.520 Let's get her attorney on.

00:24:24.760 Let's get her attorney on.

00:24:25.820 Yeah.

00:24:26.040 All right.

00:24:26.180 I'd like to follow that case.

00:24:30.260 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:24:42.420 Hey, it's Glenn.

00:24:44.040 And you're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

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00:24:50.460 It's available wherever you download your favorite podcasts.

00:24:54.480 Michael Malice.

00:24:55.400 He is also the, um, the author of what is the Kim Jong, uh, ill book that we always talk

00:25:01.540 about dear leader.

00:25:03.160 Uh, and he's great.

00:25:04.540 He's funny.

00:25:05.300 And he's a friend of the program.

00:25:06.760 Welcome Michael Malice.

00:25:07.900 How are you, sir?

00:25:09.080 Uh, good morning.

00:25:09.940 It is not sunny here in Brooklyn.

00:25:11.560 I can hear you.

00:25:12.440 I bet.

00:25:13.240 I bet.

00:25:13.880 Okay.

00:25:14.320 So Michael, I started reading, I haven't finished it, but I've started reading it and

00:25:18.740 I've, I've kind of picked through it and I'm not sure I agree with you.

00:25:23.240 So I want you to set it out from the beginning.

00:25:26.380 Tell me what, tell me what you are defining the new right as.

00:25:31.680 Okay.

00:25:32.280 I got very kind of technical with the definition.

00:25:34.520 I define the new right as a loosely connected group of individuals united by their opposition

00:25:41.440 to progressivism, which they perceive to be a thinly veiled religion dedicated to egalitarian

00:25:48.880 principles and intent on world domination via globalist hegemony.

00:25:55.500 I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

00:25:58.660 I mean, that's, that does capture, I think there's a lot of that.

00:26:02.440 I mean, it's the loosely connected part, I think is really important there because there

00:26:06.460 are a lot of different reasons why they oppose it and correct.

00:26:09.680 Uh, but yeah, I think that's, that's largely true.

00:26:11.960 That would include, uh, people like identitarians, um, which I think their solutions are not good,

00:26:20.640 but I think their complaints are valid.

00:26:22.880 And that's the problem.

00:26:24.020 A lot of these groups, not all of them, obviously not, no, no, no, no, let's not have any blanket

00:26:28.220 statements here.

00:26:29.040 Yeah, we should probably, I'm sorry.

00:26:31.400 I was thinking we were living in a reasonable world still when people feel like the, the nation,

00:26:37.960 in whatever nation they live in, I mean, this is happening all over the world, that their

00:26:41.840 nation is being destroyed by globalism and not a globalism of, Hey, let's just buy products

00:26:48.660 from each other.

00:26:49.360 A globalism that says your country is valueless.

00:26:54.320 It doesn't, it's no different than anything else.

00:26:57.500 I'm sorry, Italy.

00:26:59.060 Stop talking about spaghetti.

00:27:01.720 Um, you know, you're not special.

00:27:03.900 That, that is a driver for a lot of people that feel like we're losing the things that

00:27:11.300 I'm proud of, of my country.

00:27:13.380 And, and, and, and what I talk about in the book is how did we get to this point?

00:27:18.060 So if you, you know, in a broader sense, the new right can be regarded as the unorthodox

00:27:22.200 right wing.

00:27:23.240 And these are the people and types who are basically driven out of the mainstream.

00:27:27.260 How do we get to the point where this, uh, what you and many other people are fighting

00:27:33.000 is taking place all over the world.

00:27:35.500 And it's not just Italy, you know, stop talking about spaghetti and Italy doesn't matter.

00:27:39.860 It's that you individually don't matter anywhere you go.

00:27:43.720 And not only that, which I discuss, if you talk about video games, if you talk about movies,

00:27:49.400 if you talk about places that don't exist and escaping the earth, even there, these ideas

00:27:56.000 have to be promulgated by the, what I call the evangelical left.

00:28:00.700 So what I criticize conservatives about, and let me just take a step back, because a lot

00:28:05.120 of people think, oh, if you criticize conservatives, you must be an AOC supporter.

00:28:08.540 That's not how it works.

00:28:10.820 Conservatives, I think are a little naive about the nature of who they're opposing.

00:28:15.660 They think there's room to reason with these people that they're like journalists are sloppy

00:28:21.600 or making mistakes.

00:28:23.380 And the point I demonstrate is these so-called mistakes have been made the same exact way

00:28:29.180 for over a hundred years.

00:28:31.300 So if you keep making the same mistake in the same exact way, at what point does it become

00:28:36.560 a pattern and a decision?

00:28:38.480 So, Michael, let me go a step deeper with the, the, um, the new right, because there is

00:28:45.260 the alt-right, which is an alternative to the right, uh, and that is, they are just as big

00:28:53.340 government and, and socialists, many of them are just nationalists, but they don't believe

00:28:59.000 in the bill of rights.

00:28:59.940 They don't believe in the constitution.

00:29:01.820 You know, these neo-Nazis, um, you know, you, you listen to Richard Spencer and that's

00:29:07.160 exactly what he's saying.

00:29:08.320 No, no, no.

00:29:08.780 I don't believe in the bill of rights.

00:29:10.300 No, I'm, I'm for universal healthcare.

00:29:12.800 So he is a national socialist.

00:29:16.180 So how do you divide those two?

00:29:18.720 Yeah, I was in Charlottesville and I talk about that in my book and I'm Jewish and I'm an

00:29:23.680 immigrant.

00:29:24.600 Um, and you know, I was not invited to some of the parties for obvious reasons.

00:29:29.640 What the progressives would love to have is the idea that you and I and Stu, we're all

00:29:36.960 neo-Nazis simply because we disagree with them.

00:29:39.660 And it's a very useful technique for them.

00:29:42.080 And here's how their logic works.

00:29:44.120 Anyone, racism has no place in civilized society.

00:29:47.540 Okay.

00:29:47.840 We can get on board with that.

00:29:49.220 Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist.

00:29:52.160 Therefore, anyone who disagrees with me has no place in civilized society.

00:29:56.340 One of the things I point out in this book, which will drive them crazy, is more white

00:30:00.500 nationalists and white supremacists fought the Nazis than urban feminists during World War

00:30:05.060 II.

00:30:05.300 So to have everyone in this big, giant box is very convenient for them.

00:30:10.520 And again, this happens at the university level and it happens at the media level.

00:30:15.080 And one of the things I discussed, which I don't think conservatives really have an answer

00:30:18.820 for, how is it that they so dominate the media and the universities?

00:30:24.760 And government becomes a consequence.

00:30:27.040 Andrew Breitbart, who I'm sure you have very kind things to say about, made that realization

00:30:31.780 that politics is downstream from culture.

00:30:34.240 And when so much of conservative thought is about Washington, my point in this book is

00:30:39.520 if you're dealing with it at the Washington level, you've already lost.

00:30:42.740 Yes.

00:30:42.940 That's the fourth quarter.

00:30:44.380 Yes.

00:30:45.760 Hmm.

00:30:46.080 Yeah.

00:30:46.320 And I totally agree with that analysis.

00:30:48.680 I mean, that is, it is a huge problem, I think, for whatever is left of the conservative

00:30:54.540 movement or whatever part of it is real anymore.

00:30:57.620 So are you saying, Michael, that you would, that the new right is a replacement for the old

00:31:03.700 right or is it just a new branch of what we used to kind of look at as the conservative

00:31:07.960 movement in general?

00:31:08.820 I would think the new right is in many ways opposed to the conservative movement.

00:31:14.360 And I talk about the past conservative movement, and I talk about how Buckley and the National

00:31:18.920 Review have for decades, you know, read people out of the movement, you know, driven them

00:31:23.740 from a respectful society and are using tactics that, you know, very leftist tactics.

00:31:29.460 And that's no surprise because they have their roots in literal, like Trotskyist communists.

00:31:34.180 James Burnham, you know, these, I'm going old school here, was one of the original

00:31:37.540 National Review people, he was friends with Trotsky, and so on and so forth.

00:31:40.760 So I discuss how, and it happens now, you have the Bill Kristol types and so on and so

00:31:45.360 forth, who would love to drive everyone out of the movement and off the face of the other.

00:31:51.180 Well, he's a progressive Republican.

00:31:55.200 I mean, that's the thing that the right refuses to look at, is that the progressive movement

00:32:00.800 came from Theodore Roosevelt.

00:32:02.760 I mean, you know, he didn't invent it, but he was the one that first really popularized

00:32:07.460 it.

00:32:08.020 And it was the progressive party that he started.

00:32:12.680 And both sides adopted it.

00:32:15.520 Both sides were progressive.

00:32:17.780 Glenn, you and I, last time, another time I was on, you and I are bonding over our hatred

00:32:21.360 of Woodrow Wilson.

00:32:22.280 Yeah.

00:32:23.700 Right?

00:32:24.380 Right.

00:32:24.680 Conservatives at their best are about studying history and applying those lessons to today.

00:32:29.360 Correct.

00:32:29.960 So this conservative idea that it's only been recently that progressivism has taken

00:32:34.780 place in America, I debunk that in this book, because as you and I know, Woodrow Wilson

00:32:39.120 said it 100 years ago, and he was far more progressive than anyone out there today.

00:32:45.040 He really was messianic and said explicitly that he was sent here by God to save the world

00:32:50.920 and to save us from ourselves.

00:32:52.180 It's a very disturbing approach.

00:32:54.880 So the idea that it's only been since the 60s that this has been going on is false.

00:33:00.420 And I especially talk about it in context of universities.

00:33:03.500 And I talk about how, you know, since the 1890s, people came over from Germany with the intent

00:33:09.380 of creating an elite to control and dominate American culture.

00:33:14.380 And it's been going on for over 100 years.

00:33:16.300 This is not a recent phenomenon.

00:33:17.680 Yeah, I mean, that's that's why that's why John Hopkins University, Johns Hopkins University

00:33:22.300 was was founded.

00:33:24.420 It was started.

00:33:25.340 It was the first progressive university meant to take what was being taught in Heidelberg

00:33:32.400 and bring it here to the United States.

00:33:34.960 I mean, it's been going on for a very long time.

00:33:37.660 And the other key thing to understand is Wilson and many of these types have the roots in the

00:33:42.960 social gospel.

00:33:44.140 And this idea is that instead of saving an individual soul, it is a nation that has to

00:33:49.300 be saved and purified from sin.

00:33:52.200 And when that is your approach to a country, that means there is no room anywhere for people

00:33:58.220 to have sinful, i.e. incorrect, i.e. not progressive views.

00:34:02.620 And that is why there's such, in a sense, jihadis when it comes to anyone that they don't like.

00:34:09.200 So how do you separate out on the new right?

00:34:14.480 How do you separate those people who don't like progressive policies but seem to accept

00:34:23.240 it from themselves?

00:34:25.640 I mean, where is the line, you know, because there's a lot of people right now on the right

00:34:33.060 that are falling into the trap of progressivism and it's my way or the highway and they're

00:34:39.800 not really basing anything in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

00:34:44.520 Sure.

00:34:45.060 I mean, you could be a socialist or a Marxist and not be a progressive and so on and so

00:34:49.120 forth.

00:34:49.300 And many of them are very, very pro-big government in a sense that you and I would find anathema

00:34:54.440 and horrible.

00:34:55.560 And I engage with them in this book.

00:34:57.380 I sat down with these identities, Jared Taylor, who's a big, you know, race realist and some

00:35:02.920 Nazis I talked to.

00:35:04.400 And I think it's important to air out these ideas and engage them and fight them because

00:35:11.420 otherwise the accusations of, well, you're making your fellow traveling with these types.

00:35:16.700 It's like, well, no, I'm showing you I'm doing a better job of arguing with them than

00:35:21.460 you are, because I'm showing where their ideas are wrong instead of just dismissing

00:35:25.300 them.

00:35:25.520 And what happens is when you drive ideas underground, young kids who want to upset people and be

00:35:31.000 trolls and be edgy and cool, they are drawn to it.

00:35:34.000 It's like telling kids, don't smoke cigarettes.

00:35:36.700 You know, that'll upset me.

00:35:37.880 It's like, oh, yeah, where can I get some Camel?

00:35:39.700 So it's happening in current culture, and they don't even realize what they're doing.

00:35:45.920 And I'm in some way putting a stop.

00:35:49.240 So, OK, so, Michael, we're talking to Michael Malice, the author of the new book, The New

00:35:53.940 Right, A Journey into the Fringe of American Politics.

00:35:58.260 I'm going to take a one minute break and then I want to come back.

00:36:00.320 And I want you to kind of, can you cut up the right and tell me all of the little pieces

00:36:06.220 that are involved and where the new right fits in all of this?

00:36:11.440 So, Michael, how do you how do you chop up the right and and separate people who are anarchists?

00:36:26.060 I mean, I think you're an anarchist.

00:36:27.100 Don't you?

00:36:27.500 Aren't you a self-described anarchist?

00:36:29.640 Absolutely.

00:36:30.520 I wave that black flag proudly.

00:36:35.860 So the ones that want to just have chaos, you don't want to have chaos in the streets.

00:36:42.700 Chaos in the streets is a function of government because streets are owned by the government.

00:36:48.240 OK.

00:36:49.300 There you go.

00:36:50.400 You don't have chaos in your house.

00:36:52.580 That's true.

00:36:53.580 So how do you separate?

00:36:56.080 Oh, you haven't seen my house, Michael.

00:36:57.180 Well, sometimes there is chaos.

00:36:58.260 I have two small children.

00:36:59.200 Yeah.

00:37:00.180 Wait until you have teenagers.

00:37:01.920 Oh, it's fun.

00:37:04.600 I'm glad to be in the riots in the street every night.

00:37:08.520 But, Michael, explain to me, like, where do we fit in the right?

00:37:14.680 Are we part of the new right?

00:37:16.020 I'm talking about me personally.

00:37:19.260 I understand.

00:37:20.020 Do you agree with that definition?

00:37:22.040 Do you regard progressivism as a thinly veiled religion dedicated to world domination?

00:37:27.860 Yes.

00:37:29.020 Then, yeah.

00:37:30.760 Do you think that it's a problem that organizations like National Review have for decades been kicking people out of politics for the sake of people on the left?

00:37:44.300 Yes.

00:37:45.460 Yeah.

00:37:46.400 And if you regard – here's how the real litmus test for the new right.

00:37:49.980 If you unambiguously regard Woodrow Wilson as by far the most evil man to be president, I think that's a good litmus test.

00:37:58.920 OK, so try this on for size.

00:38:01.000 You know who agrees with you?

00:38:02.800 Who?

00:38:03.780 Samantha Bee.

00:38:04.760 When I talked to her about a year and a half ago, she went off – she was like, I know you hate Woodrow Wilson.

00:38:11.700 Her and her producer.

00:38:12.920 I know you hate Woodrow Wilson.

00:38:14.360 He's a racist.

00:38:14.860 What?

00:38:15.680 She hates him because he's a racist.

00:38:17.380 She doesn't hate him for his progressivism.

00:38:19.920 I'm not sure.

00:38:21.500 We talked a lot about – well, we did talk a lot about eugenics.

00:38:25.180 So I guess, yeah, it's probably racism.

00:38:26.760 Well, the other thing that's important about Woodrow Wilson is it's not a coincidence that he was a college university president of Princeton before he became president.

00:38:38.740 And I talk in this book extensively about the universities and how they're the real problem, and this is something that conservatives are kind of aware of, and they talk about things going on on campus.

00:38:50.620 And my point is the root, the rot, goes far deeper than kids acting out.

00:38:57.440 I mean these kids are being trained in this way, and the chickens are coming home to roots.

00:39:02.460 Well, I don't think a lot of conservatives do because historically – and this is what I talk in the book is – this was the idea of my kid's the first one to go to college.

00:39:12.560 It's this middle-class aspiration, and it was a great, great thing.

00:39:16.780 And now people are coming to realize, thankfully, that you have this beautiful young 18-year-old girl going to school, and four years later she comes home as a swamp walrus, and you can't even have conversations with each other over dinner.

00:39:30.820 I love you.

00:39:31.580 Swamp walrus.

00:39:32.340 So, but you know what, Michael?

00:39:35.560 Even in my home, this is probably the biggest argument we have in my home with me and Tanya, my wife.

00:39:44.060 She says kids have got to go to college, and I'm like, over my dead body, and she's like, I'm willing to kill you.

00:39:51.020 But it is – I mean, I cannot find a reason to fund the swamp walrus training for my kids.

00:40:03.340 More with Michael in a minute.

00:40:04.660 Right now we're talking to the author of the book, The New Right, Michael Malice.

00:40:09.460 He's a friend of the program, been on several times.

00:40:12.160 Very funny, very, very insightful.

00:40:14.360 But, Michael, I want to go back to your definition of who fits in the alt-right.

00:40:19.260 The New Right.

00:40:21.020 Sorry, the New Right.

00:40:22.580 Because the New Right could include – well, it does include, I would imagine, that would include people like Alex Jones.

00:40:33.020 And Alex and I disagree on 98% of things, I think.

00:40:41.000 However, we do agree probably on your definition.

00:40:46.240 But that is more of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

00:40:49.680 And that's good to destroy, but a conservative conserves and doesn't want to destroy the good things that remain.

00:41:00.020 And I'm more about building a new future than destroying.

00:41:05.340 Sure.

00:41:06.040 I think the 2% you and Alex would agree upon is probably the most important 2%, and which I discuss at length,

00:41:12.440 which is we are being lied to, that we have been being lied to for a very long time,

00:41:19.540 and what is the nature of this narrative that's being constructed in front of us?

00:41:23.840 But when we even get to that 2%, what we're being lied to, I mean, I'm not going – I don't think we're being –

00:41:31.020 I don't think everything is a false flag.

00:41:32.920 He does.

00:41:34.120 I agree with you completely.

00:41:35.860 What I meant by that 2% is not what you're being lied to about.

00:41:39.160 Okay.

00:41:39.420 That this mechanism is being done intentionally and systemically and pervasively,

00:41:44.660 that this isn't a coincidence or an accident.

00:41:48.300 And once people start looking – and that's the problem.

00:41:50.720 And that's the problem I grapple with in the book because once you take that one red pill like in The Matrix

00:41:55.660 and you see, okay, I'm being lied to, you take one red pill, not the whole bottle.

00:42:00.340 Because once you start thinking more and more things are lies,

00:42:04.340 you get to the point to full-blown Holocaust denial because everything is a lie.

00:42:08.800 Correct.

00:42:09.060 So that is something that I address and grapple with.

00:42:12.340 What do you do once you realize that the media is manipulative and lying?

00:42:16.840 But there comes a point where you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:42:19.840 Now I've gone too far in the other direction.

00:42:20.880 I got it.

00:42:21.420 I got it.

00:42:21.940 That's very good.

00:42:23.920 That's very good.

00:42:24.600 Really interesting.

00:42:25.080 I mean, the book is worth it just for, I think, the creation of a potential TV series of Michael Malice Talks to the Nazis,

00:42:31.840 which is something I would absolutely watch.

00:42:33.580 I would too.

00:42:34.140 That would be fantastic.

00:42:35.220 I would too.

00:42:35.340 But, I mean, I would just be riveting television.

00:42:39.460 But I wanted to ask you, Michael, because it's interesting looking at the book and the way you talk about these groups.

00:42:45.480 And you're describing, I think, something real that is happening right now.

00:42:49.320 Do you see this as an endorsement?

00:42:51.740 Do you see this as a warning?

00:42:52.900 Or do you just see this as, hey, everybody, wake up.

00:42:55.620 This is what's happening right now.

00:42:57.720 First of all, I wrote a book to be entertaining.

00:42:59.560 I think if you're writing a book about politics and you get people to laugh and be engaged and you could be on the beach or in the bathroom, you've accomplished something.

00:43:06.040 That's number one.

00:43:06.920 Sure.

00:43:07.000 Number two is it's the kind of thing where, you know, if someone is having an affair and the wife looks the other way, this book is you can't pretend you don't know anymore.

00:43:16.560 This book is exposing what is going on and forcing people to confront the very dark realities of our politics and our cultural war in a way that I think is going to make some people uncomfortable because it's really scary to realize just how totalitarian the opposition is.

00:43:33.860 Let me use you as an example.

00:43:35.800 The argument with, you know, they block people from Twitter, from PayPal, right?

00:43:38.940 They say, go make your own network if you don't like it.

00:43:41.300 It's fiber property.

00:43:42.260 And Glenn Beck said, all right, I made the blaze.

00:43:44.740 And now if they had their druthers, they would drive the blaze out of business.

00:43:48.120 So they, it's not, it's a lie.

00:43:51.140 So I also talk about the techniques that the evangelical left uses to further their control of American and world domination because it's not about, you know,

00:44:00.740 if you're arguing about, you know, transgender bathrooms or, you know, immigration from Muslim countries, this is a distraction.

00:44:07.040 As soon as that issue is done, they're going to find something else because it's always about furthering their power.

00:44:14.020 Yeah, it's, that's the, that's the biggest problem is people think that they're dealing with honest brokers and they're not.

00:44:21.720 They're not honest brokers, you know.

00:44:24.120 And because it is a barely disguised religion, once you think of yourself as saved, then you are allowed to do anything you want because you're doing it in the service of what you perceive to be the good.

00:44:36.760 C.S. Lewis, who I'm sure you're a fan of, who's a great, great philosopher.

00:44:40.200 I have a quote from him in the book where he says, I'd rather be under the control of people who are corrupt than a bit moral busybody because the corrupt person will at least sleep at night, whereas the busybody will never tire because he's fueled by his own self-righteous conscience.

00:44:56.760 And that is something people need to understand.

00:44:59.200 This is a totalitarian faith for these types and they will never let you rest.

00:45:05.580 Michael, thank you so much for your hard work and thank you for being on the, the program.

00:45:12.120 We'll, we'll talk again.

00:45:13.620 The name of the book is The New Right, A Journey into the Fringe of American Politics by Michael Malice, a great, great writer that you really do enjoy reading his books.

00:45:25.940 Thank you, Michael.

00:45:26.780 Appreciate it.

00:45:27.300 Thank you so much.

00:45:27.900 Always a pleasure.

00:45:28.520 You bet.

00:45:28.780 God bless.

00:45:32.220 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:45:35.580 Dan Eikenson is with us.

00:45:46.500 He's the director of trade policy studies at the Cato Institute.

00:45:50.820 And I wanted to bring him on because I'm, I'm very concerned about what this trade war is, is leading us to.

00:45:59.200 Um, and, uh, and Dan is here to explain, welcome to the program, Dan, uh, how, how, how deep in the madness are we here with this trade war with China?

00:46:11.920 Well, we are, uh, on the verge of, uh, tariffing each other's products, uh, out of existence.

00:46:20.440 I mean, the Trump administration has announced that it will extend tariffs on all products, uh, by next month that the deal is not reached.

00:46:29.440 The Chinese are already close to, uh, tariffing all of our products.

00:46:33.640 And, uh, my concern is that, uh, this can spiral out of control without, uh, even if there's some, some, uh, sense to this.

00:46:42.820 And even if there's some plan to try to pull back and reach some deal, and this is all negotiating tactics, it could spiral out of control.

00:46:49.440 There's a lot of politics at play, a lot of, what, what does that, what does that mean spiral out of control to what?

00:46:55.380 So right now the United States exports about 120, $130 billion a year, uh, you know, U S exporters to China.

00:47:01.800 But we have companies there that, that generate revenues of about 500 billion.

00:47:06.820 And, uh, they are being compelled, I think, by the Trump administration to reconsider where they're investing.

00:47:13.340 So they may shift their supply chains.

00:47:15.300 They may try to bring them home.

00:47:16.600 Um, what's, ultimately what's going to happen is that the costs of, of production for U S businesses are going to rise dramatically.

00:47:23.360 It's going to cause profits to shrink.

00:47:25.960 Revenues for U S exporters are going to, are going to shrink.

00:47:28.280 That's going to also put downward pressure on profits.

00:47:30.680 If businesses don't have profits, they can't invest and they can't hire.

00:47:34.840 Uh, so like we'll likely see some economic contraction and we will likely see the, the global economy kind of breaking up,

00:47:41.120 bifurcating into, into two segments, two blocks, those that fall within sort of China's ambit.

00:47:46.420 It knows that, that we continue to woo and boy, it's, it's hard to woo countries nowadays, uh, considering how we've poked many of them in the eyes, uh, with respect to our, our trading policies.

00:47:56.200 So, uh, you know, if you, if you look at the, the cycle, uh, that leads to war, usually the last thing before, uh, war, actual war happens is, um, is a trade war.

00:48:12.780 Um, this is the worst one I think I've seen in my lifetime, at least the one that I can remember.

00:48:18.280 Um, and I'm torn on, I'm not torn on Mexico or Europe or Canada, uh, wrong.

00:48:24.920 Um, however, China has really bad practices, um, and they are, I think are the biggest enemy of not America, but of, of freedom of mankind out there.

00:48:39.600 And while I don't like the tariffs, uh, I also don't like really doing a lot of business with, with China, uh, because they're just, they're very bad actors.

00:48:51.460 Certainly the China of, uh, 2019 is very different than the China of say, 2001 when it sort of joined the global economy and joined the World Trade Organization.

00:49:01.720 It was a poor country at the time that was trying to make amends for a lot of bad economic policies, bad social policies.

00:49:08.020 And there was a hope that, that China would become more like us and open up and, and, and capitalism would prevail.

00:49:15.220 And now they have a president who's president for life.

00:49:17.580 Uh, he has, uh, um, he surveils his population.

00:49:21.680 He exports surveillance, uh, equipment around the world.

00:49:24.440 He's got concentration camps.

00:49:26.360 Uh, and so, yes, we need to be a little bit more skeptical of China, but at the same time, we don't want this to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:49:34.100 I mean, the Chinese people, I think, uh, will suffer from, uh, you know, if we, if we turn our backs on each other and we, you know, we, it's, it's not them.

00:49:42.920 It's, it's a regime that might be under pressure from this trade war, uh, which is likely to spark, you know, to inspire nationalism, uh, as the economy starts to go south in China.

00:49:56.180 Uh, but ultimately, uh, I think Chinese people are peace loving and would like to, uh, have, uh, mutually beneficial relations.

00:50:04.800 Yeah, we all are that way.

00:50:06.360 Generally speaking, I think we're all that way.

00:50:08.160 Sometimes politics and politicians are not that way, but I think generally speaking, the average person on earth is just like, I just want to be left alone, man.

00:50:15.740 Right.

00:50:16.340 Um, go ahead.

00:50:18.000 I was just going to say that, you know, even if this trade war were to end and the Chinese were to accept all of the Trump administration's demands, and many of those demands, I think, are legitimate.

00:50:27.700 And China's doing certain things that it was, that it shouldn't be doing.

00:50:31.200 Uh, they, they need to abide by the commitments that they have made in some areas where the president is pushing for the Chinese to buy more U.S. products.

00:50:38.380 I don't think that that is necessary.

00:50:40.300 China's not doing anything wrong there.

00:50:41.640 But if, if they were to agree to everything, we would still have the problem that the United States is the technologically preeminent economy in the world.

00:50:49.140 And China wants to get there.

00:50:50.840 And there are first mover advantages to being, you know, to, to, to, to, to, to being dominant in a particular technology that has military and security applications.

00:50:58.620 Uh, so there's going to be this, I'm concerned that there's going to be this sort of cold war, uh, uh, dynamic that plays out because we're going to want to prevent them from getting there.

00:51:08.840 They're going to do it, whatever it takes to get there to the technological four.

00:51:11.760 And that, that spells, um, you know, a lot of, uh, that spells trouble for me.

00:51:15.900 Dan, there's a couple of new studies out.

00:51:18.520 One says that the washers and dryers that they put tariffs on, uh, uh, added $200 of cost to a washer dryer set.

00:51:25.920 Plus, uh, it's cost over $800,000 per job, uh, that it created.

00:51:31.380 Same as steel, $900,000 per job.

00:51:33.580 Yeah.

00:51:33.780 And it seems to be very consistent.

00:51:35.020 And also, they're now saying that the, the tariffs, if implemented as threatened, uh, would now overwhelm the entire benefit of the tax bill that was passed in 2017.

00:51:44.860 Now, those, those line up with, with what you see going on?

00:51:48.460 Are those accurate numbers?

00:51:50.000 Uh, I've seen those studies and, uh, I don't doubt them.

00:51:53.460 Um, you know, the thing is so far, you know, up until last weekend when this thing really erupted, uh, we, there were tariffs in place.

00:52:01.640 Uh, and certain sectors, certain, you know, steel-using industries and certain manufacturers were complaining about the tariffs.

00:52:08.000 Uh, but by and large, the economy wasn't, didn't seem to be so adversely affected by it.

00:52:12.560 Uh, mm-hmm.

00:52:13.420 Uh, except for the farmers.

00:52:15.360 Farmers are dying.

00:52:16.680 The farmers are in bad shape, uh, but they've been retaliated against.

00:52:20.100 But interestingly, you know, they're among the most patriotic Americans.

00:52:23.820 I agree with you.

00:52:24.640 They seem to think, look, there's a bigger issue here.

00:52:27.420 We're willing to take it on the chin.

00:52:29.400 Uh, this is an existential battle.

00:52:31.040 And, and so they're willing to take it.

00:52:33.440 But, but, but Trump realizes that they can't take it for very long.

00:52:36.300 And so he's, uh, directed subsidies to farmers who are in bad shape.

00:52:40.400 And, uh, but, but anyway, I, I, I think, uh, because the economy has generally been doing so well, it's masked some of the costs.

00:52:48.680 But, uh, we're, we're running out of rope.

00:52:50.640 And we're past the peak of the business cycle.

00:52:52.660 And we're going to start to feel this.

00:52:54.320 U.S. businesses' costs are going to rise.

00:52:56.100 U.S. cost of living for families is going to increase.

00:52:58.360 And, uh, it's going to be hard to undo that.

00:53:01.080 We have to reestablish all sorts of business relationships around the world in order to, you know, to compensate for what is lost in this relationship.

00:53:08.000 So can you tell me, um, you know, in a minute, um, are you worried at all about the China, the Chinese selling our treasuries?

00:53:16.660 I mean, they've tried that and it actually seemed to have backfired on them.

00:53:20.240 Yeah.

00:53:21.620 I, I don't worry about that at all.

00:53:23.220 I mean, they, they own our, uh, our debt.

00:53:26.420 I mean, we have them over a barrel.

00:53:29.760 We, we could always default on the debt.

00:53:31.740 Uh, but that's not something I would recommend.

00:53:34.100 Right.

00:53:34.380 Uh, but they, they, they buy our debt because it's a good investment for them.

00:53:37.500 Right.

00:53:37.920 It's, they, they need to.

00:53:39.180 And particularly since we're scrutinizing all of their investments, you know, their direct investments in the United States so rigorously now, um, they don't have many choices to buy dollar-denominate assets other than to buy, buy debt.

00:53:50.340 Uh, and they can buy equities, but, um, there, I think it's, it's, it's a myth that, that we're threatened by the fact that China owns all the debt, uh, the U.S. debt.

00:54:00.620 But the thing is, it speaks to a bigger problem.

00:54:04.000 That is that we have this debt.

00:54:05.180 And why do we have this debt?

00:54:06.140 Because Congress spends too much money.

00:54:07.880 Right.

00:54:08.380 Right.

00:54:08.880 We need to address that problem.

00:54:10.520 And then we never have to worry about, uh, this fake, fake concern.

00:54:14.200 Uh, Dan Eikenson, thank you so much.

00:54:16.200 I really appreciate the, uh, the update.

00:54:20.340 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:54:38.400 This is a first you'll, you'll tell your kids and your grandkids someday.

00:54:42.580 I was listening to the Glenn Beck program the first day that they had a democratic national candidate, uh, on somebody who was running for the presidency of the United States in the democratic side.

00:54:57.340 We have tried over and over and over again for 20 years.

00:55:00.860 They do not want to ever come on first time ever, a lesser known candidate at this point.

00:55:10.400 Uh, but I think a guy who could go all the way and he might even get my support.

00:55:15.500 How many Horowitz?

00:55:16.380 How are you?

00:55:16.960 Oh, it's a pleasure to be here.

00:55:18.260 Glenn.

00:55:18.600 Yeah.

00:55:19.100 And it's been a long time.

00:55:20.920 So I've been here in person.

00:55:21.840 So I just want to want to drink it in.

00:55:23.340 I want to take it in.

00:55:24.120 Yeah.

00:55:24.400 Super excited.

00:55:24.980 Yeah.

00:55:25.720 So you're not the kind of guy that I would expect to be running for a president of the, you know, under the democratic ticket.

00:55:35.120 Yeah.

00:55:35.720 I, I get, I get that a lot.

00:55:37.140 I'll be totally honest.

00:55:38.600 Yeah.

00:55:38.880 But look, uh, okay.

00:55:40.240 The honest truth is I, I am always country over party.

00:55:43.340 I mean, I never cared about an R or a D or an I next to my name.

00:55:47.680 Uh, it's all about what are the important issues that Americans face and those, the issues that animate me and those issues that drive me.

00:55:55.180 And that's why I decided I needed a, a platform for those viewpoints.

00:55:59.340 And I think that the democratic party in particular is doing itself a great disservice by the radicalization.

00:56:06.960 That is the radical transformation, I should say, that's gone through over the past several years.

00:56:11.200 And we've seen an inexorable move by the democratic party to the left over the last, you know, 15 years.

00:56:18.020 But, but we've seen that in hyper drive over the last couple of years.

00:56:21.840 And I think it's destroying the party.

00:56:23.800 And I think they need somebody to write the ship.

00:56:25.620 And I think I'm that captain.

00:56:27.120 Okay.

00:56:27.640 I think I'm the guy.

00:56:28.520 So now, um, you've, you've, you've registered, you filed the papers.

00:56:32.820 It's all a done deal.

00:56:34.200 All done.

00:56:34.460 Oh yeah.

00:56:34.980 And, and here's the interesting, here's the interesting thing.

00:56:38.880 Um, you're not for socialism.

00:56:43.020 No.

00:56:43.720 Yeah.

00:56:44.180 No.

00:56:44.780 Yeah.

00:56:45.240 Right.

00:56:45.660 Right.

00:56:46.600 Right.

00:56:47.260 Many people.

00:56:47.960 So I don't really fit into the mold.

00:56:49.820 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:56:50.980 Is that where you're going with this?

00:56:51.680 But again, here's the interesting thing.

00:56:53.480 If you get donations, even if it's a dollar per donation, right?

00:56:58.400 50 cents.

00:56:59.120 If you get, uh, 65,000 individuals giving you even 50 cents, you are then guaranteed a

00:57:09.140 spot on the debate stage.

00:57:11.260 It's a massive hack to get on the Democrat debate.

00:57:14.440 Now, not this is, again, this is a serious run.

00:57:16.800 Yeah.

00:57:17.200 I have serious issues I want to address.

00:57:19.100 I am a registered Democrat, just to be clear.

00:57:21.860 But yes, 65,000.

00:57:23.720 When, when, how long have you been a registered Democrat?

00:57:26.300 Oh God, man, in my heart or on a filing?

00:57:30.600 Well, it really, the heart is what matters.

00:57:32.280 The heart is what matters, right?

00:57:33.680 You've been there for a long time.

00:57:35.200 Long, yeah.

00:57:35.680 Long time.

00:57:36.080 I'm a Jew.

00:57:36.800 I mean, I think that you're born with a Democratic voter card.

00:57:39.340 I believe you are.

00:57:40.380 I think that's the way it works.

00:57:40.580 I think, yeah.

00:57:41.260 You're superstificate.

00:57:42.620 And yeah, but I have been.

00:57:43.880 But the actual filing.

00:57:45.300 The actual, the actual, yeah, it's been about two months.

00:57:47.340 About two months.

00:57:48.100 I've been trying it on.

00:57:48.960 Yeah.

00:57:49.100 It's like a new suit you get, you know, made to measure.

00:57:51.720 But to be clear, Bernie Sanders is not much longer than that.

00:57:53.840 No, no, no.

00:57:54.440 So Bernie Sanders does a very interesting thing.

00:57:56.720 He always, he's an independent.

00:57:58.320 And he's independent as a senator and is for years.

00:58:01.060 And then he always switches several months before the election to a Democrat.

00:58:04.260 No different than what I'm doing myself.

00:58:05.840 And you're actually not, because you're not a Republican either.

00:58:09.200 You're, you are an independent.

00:58:10.740 I am an independent.

00:58:11.420 Absolutely.

00:58:11.720 Uh, so, um, now what do you think they're going to do when you have 65,000 people donating

00:58:24.340 to your campaign and that qualifies you to be on that debate stage?

00:58:30.920 There needs to be a lot of heart doctors available at the DNC the moment that happens.

00:58:37.160 I think they're, they're, listen, um, clearly they don't want me on the stage.

00:58:41.020 And in fact, I can't get the details now, but there's been moves already to try to, um,

00:58:47.480 to abort this candidacy early on.

00:58:50.160 And they're good at abortion.

00:58:51.540 They are good at abortion.

00:58:53.200 That's true.

00:58:53.420 Yeah.

00:58:53.880 All, all late term.

00:58:55.320 Yeah, late term.

00:58:56.120 It can happen on stage.

00:58:57.200 They could just let you die.

00:58:58.220 Listen, I mean, I don't, in fact, I think the Republicans wanted to get Democrats on

00:59:01.760 board with, with capital punishment, just very late term abortion.

00:59:05.580 Right, right.

00:59:07.040 So, so, uh, but cause what we talked about this, you know, just a few days before you

00:59:12.680 did it.

00:59:13.260 And I said, they're never going to let you on the stage.

00:59:16.720 And, and you said, no, the rules are, they have to.

00:59:21.280 The rules are very clear.

00:59:22.240 If they, if they decide, okay, there's, they have, they're in a box.

00:59:24.920 Okay.

00:59:25.140 They've got two choices.

00:59:25.860 So if, if I have 65,000 people send me a dollar, anything that gets me on that stage,

00:59:30.800 their choices are either they can change the rules, their own rules, which would put them

00:59:35.780 in a really tough situation because they've, you know, Tom Perez, when they first announced

00:59:39.480 what the requirements were, uh, and they did it because they were so stung by the criticism

00:59:44.720 that they got when Bernie Sanders essentially, you know, they conspired against him and, and

00:59:50.440 the rules allowed for them to do that, uh, that they wanted to make this in his own

00:59:54.440 words, the most open, uh, process they've ever had.

00:59:58.560 And he said he wants a diversity of, of candidates.

01:00:02.440 I'm not sure he meant intellectual diversity, but anyways, that's what he's getting.

01:00:06.340 Now, if they do change that, he has to go back on everything he said.

01:00:09.880 And he has to, there's gonna be a lot of people.

01:00:12.020 And I'm looking at your board right now, which by the way, do I, is my name on this

01:00:14.720 board?

01:00:14.960 No, we were shocked.

01:00:16.060 We were shocked to find out it was not on.

01:00:18.560 I don't know who's responsible for that.

01:00:19.740 Not either of us, not either of us, you look guilty, my man.

01:00:27.000 So, so therefore a lot of these guys is bored.

01:00:29.840 Well, they'll, they'll take them off the board also because they don't put me on and

01:00:32.680 they change the rule.

01:00:33.460 They can't just keep me off specifically.

01:00:35.540 Uh, they're gonna have to, you know, a lot of people are qualifying the same way I am.

01:00:38.660 They'll be off the board also, or they have me on and I'm going to make the Democrat debate

01:00:42.780 stage a very unsafe space for them.

01:00:44.660 Cause I would imagine if they just decided to change the rules and say, we don't believe

01:00:48.020 you're a real Democrat or whatever they tried to do, they would be opening themselves up

01:00:51.800 to real legal problems.

01:00:52.660 There's some first amendment issues.

01:00:53.500 There's some constitutional issues that I think have never actually been discussed about

01:00:57.420 what a party is allowed or not allowed to do, which I think would be whole other interesting

01:01:01.240 rabbit hole for us to go down.

01:01:02.720 And you're not talking about anything necessarily radical.

01:01:06.920 Uh, you're talking about things that the Democrats would find radical.

01:01:11.460 Look, I, I, I think that I, if, had I done this, um, 30 years ago, 25 years ago, I think

01:01:18.120 I would find a very comfortable place in the American debate stage.

01:01:20.520 I mean, I think my, you know, I look at myself and think I'm pretty ideologically aligned with

01:01:24.840 a scoop Jackson or Patrick Moynihan or JFK, to be honest.

01:01:28.520 But those guys, if they ran again today, uh, they'd be run off a rail Democratic party.

01:01:35.540 They just don't fit with the Democratic party is.

01:01:37.980 And that's not a good thing.

01:01:39.020 We don't listen.

01:01:39.740 We, we need to have two strong parties.

01:01:41.780 We have to keep each party in check.

01:01:43.600 I don't think it's healthy to have one party that's, that's, that's, um, dominating and

01:01:48.600 one that's not, but the, but the, the issues that they, it's really, look, it's amazing.

01:01:53.520 I would say a lot of their positions now, if you looked at like right wing conspiratorialists

01:01:59.200 and what they would say Democrats really believed in and go, oh, you're insane.

01:02:03.560 That's really what they believe in now.

01:02:04.960 No, I know.

01:02:05.440 Okay.

01:02:05.920 Oh, I know.

01:02:06.540 You know, oh yeah.

01:02:07.820 Those Democrats believe in open borders.

01:02:09.500 Yeah.

01:02:09.960 That's actually what they, there's like Juan Castro.

01:02:13.160 I think his name is Juan Castro.

01:02:14.460 Julian Castro.

01:02:15.300 Julian Castro.

01:02:15.500 Juan Castro is like a shortstop for the Astros, I think.

01:02:18.040 But Julian, Julian Castro, he said he wants open borders.

01:02:22.020 Okay.

01:02:22.260 These are actual positions that they're taking.

01:02:24.920 I mean, Joe Biden, who's, who's what?

01:02:26.720 The great, the, the, the, the great, uh, middle of the road moderate.

01:02:29.740 He said, we want illegal aliens to have health coverage in this country.

01:02:34.360 I mean, these are radical, insane positions that the majority of the country, vast majority,

01:02:40.380 probably the majority of the democratic party.

01:02:42.120 I feel pretty comfortable saying, do not feel comfortable with.

01:02:45.080 You know, here's one of my theories.

01:02:46.300 If you look at the, um, uh, the polling numbers where Joe Biden is leading in some polls by 40

01:02:51.840 points.

01:02:52.940 Um, what's the, the lowest 25 points, 21 points, something like that.

01:02:58.060 Give or take.

01:02:58.380 He's way ahead of everybody else.

01:03:00.440 And I think that's because Americans know him and they don't feel as though he's a radical

01:03:04.880 socialist.

01:03:05.440 I don't think they know him.

01:03:06.920 I got to be honest.

01:03:07.740 I mean, I think they knew him before.

01:03:09.220 Right, right, right.

01:03:09.740 They don't know what he is now.

01:03:11.040 No, I agree with you on that.

01:03:12.520 But I think the Democrats see him and they just go, oh, he's just Joe Biden and he's not

01:03:18.260 crazy and he's not totally radical.

01:03:20.000 I think he is.

01:03:21.380 Um, but they, he doesn't have that perception.

01:03:23.760 And with him being 20 points ahead of anybody else, it shows that the democratic voter is

01:03:31.480 not with this socialist stuff.

01:03:33.540 They're way too radical.

01:03:35.200 I mean, they just did a poll on, uh, some healthcare issues and healthcare consistently comes for

01:03:39.160 Democrats as the number one priority.

01:03:41.180 Uh, they want that addressed.

01:03:42.540 They pulled Medicare for all specifically and only 47% of Democrats supported Medicare for

01:03:48.700 all, which puts you in the majority position on the number one issue.

01:03:51.740 If that doesn't qualify you as a valid candidate, I don't know what is.

01:03:55.420 How do you know I don't want Medicare for all?

01:03:57.340 Well, I mean, I just assumed that's true.

01:04:00.040 Do you want Medicare for all?

01:04:01.180 I do not.

01:04:01.720 Okay.

01:04:02.260 I mean, here's the thing about, about, about our healthcare system, which is incredible

01:04:06.220 to me, which I don't know if they know, I don't know if these, of these Democrats even

01:04:09.260 care, but you're talking, we have the most innovative healthcare system the world has ever

01:04:14.320 known.

01:04:14.440 There's a reason why 50% of all innovation across healthcare, that could be bioengineering, medical

01:04:20.280 devices, pharmaceutical, all happens in this country.

01:04:23.300 It's because we have a robust profit system that allows people to invest money, take massive

01:04:28.080 risks.

01:04:28.840 You know how much money, how much billions of dollars it takes to, to, to investigate an

01:04:33.300 avenue for a drug.

01:04:34.480 And Hey, we, there's no guarantee of success, but they take the risk to do that because there's

01:04:39.660 a profit incentive.

01:04:40.420 The question is not about that side of the equation.

01:04:42.900 We got to keep the cost down.

01:04:44.440 There are other ways to do that.

01:04:45.480 And to overturn our entire healthcare system for essentially 10% of people who don't have

01:04:50.700 coverage, because remember 90% of people, when they introduced Obamacare, 90% of people

01:04:55.520 had coverage, whether it be personal coverage or through their, or through their jobs.

01:04:59.040 But for 10%, instead of finding a way to cover that 10%, which I want to do, they overturned

01:05:04.840 our entire system.

01:05:05.940 This is what we're talking about.

01:05:07.020 The radicalism of the democratic party where norms don't make a difference anymore.

01:05:11.080 So did you see what happened in Ukraine?

01:05:14.800 No.

01:05:15.940 So the, they're pretty open question.

01:05:18.120 I mean, a lot of things happened in Ukraine.

01:05:20.960 I'm assuming you're talking about Biden's kid.

01:05:24.200 Uh, no, no, but we have talked about that quite a bit.

01:05:26.760 That is an interesting story.

01:05:27.780 Um, I I'm talking about the new Ukrainian president.

01:05:31.640 Oh, the comedian is a comedian.

01:05:33.020 Yes, of course.

01:05:33.860 Of course.

01:05:35.580 A number of things have happened in Ukraine since then.

01:05:37.620 Yeah, I know that, but the world is at a place to where a disruptor, Donald Trump, you could

01:05:46.760 actually, you know, uh, walk away with, with a nomination and, and, and possibly win a nomination.

01:05:56.540 Look, if, if you had said to me, if you had asked me four years ago, is this possible?

01:06:02.680 I would say, come on, of course not, but in the president of the United States essentially

01:06:07.120 won the nomination, the presidency on a troll.

01:06:10.940 Right.

01:06:11.520 I think anything is possible.

01:06:13.180 Yeah.

01:06:13.480 Anything is possible.

01:06:14.280 Look, there is a wide open lane for somebody like me.

01:06:17.920 And I think that the challenge is trying to get the democratic electorate to understand

01:06:23.720 what I'm doing and who I am.

01:06:25.640 And the fact that I don't think any of those guys on the board over here can beat Donald

01:06:29.380 Trump.

01:06:29.660 I think I can, and I think if they want a Democrat in the white house, I'm their guy.

01:06:34.680 And all it takes is what, that's the crazy thing about this.

01:06:37.220 You don't have to send me a hundred dollars, a thousand dollars.

01:06:40.460 One, if they go to ambiforamerica.com for $1, they can see the greatest show on earth.

01:06:46.260 And by the way, you know who wants me on more than anybody else?

01:06:48.460 The networks holding the debates.

01:06:50.560 I guarantee you that I will double or triple, if not larger, what their audience was from

01:06:56.440 the last time they had democratic debate.

01:06:57.660 Oh, I could guarantee that because everybody on the right would be watching.

01:07:02.880 Oh my gosh.

01:07:03.760 Everyone on the right would not miss that.

01:07:05.880 Because I would like to, I would like you to say, I wouldn't want to see you just go

01:07:08.760 up and mock it, which I don't think you're trying to do.

01:07:11.140 No, no, no, no, no.

01:07:11.800 I would like you to go up and say, look, when did we start believing as Democrats?

01:07:17.860 When did we go here?

01:07:19.920 This is nuts.

01:07:20.900 When did capitalism become a dirty word?

01:07:23.420 When the greatest system ever demised by man, literally, I would say, I would literally

01:07:30.620 say that, that has created more wealth for more people, brought more people out of poverty

01:07:36.660 and to run away from that system to a system that we see demonstrably does not work.

01:07:42.780 And we're seeing it today in Venezuela.

01:07:44.400 Venezuela is a democratic socialist country.

01:07:47.020 Let's make no mistake about it.

01:07:47.960 It's not the Soviet Union.

01:07:49.420 It's a democratic socialist country.

01:07:51.460 And we're seeing it implode.

01:07:52.780 And I'm saying they're not, they're not looking to model themselves after that, but that's

01:07:55.980 the road they're going down.

01:07:57.440 So all I'm looking to do.

01:07:58.900 Well, they were modeling themselves after that until Maduro, until it collapsed.

01:08:03.720 And they did praise Hugo Chavez profusely.

01:08:06.760 I mean, back in the day.

01:08:07.880 You know what?

01:08:08.500 I stand corrected.

01:08:09.500 And by the way, there is this weird undercurrent in the democratic party that supports Maduro and

01:08:14.640 has not been attacking him.

01:08:15.700 It's a weird kind of thing.

01:08:17.220 I don't know where they're...

01:08:18.160 Code Pink took over...

01:08:19.880 I was there in D.C.

01:08:21.040 When Code Pink had rallies for Maduro.

01:08:23.680 What is going on?

01:08:25.120 This is...

01:08:25.540 Everybody, I'm telling...

01:08:27.020 This is the road they want to take us down.

01:08:29.440 So this is not a joke.

01:08:30.680 I'm not looking there to mock them.

01:08:32.280 But I want to hold them accountable for their beliefs.

01:08:34.860 Because let me tell you who's not going to hold them accountable.

01:08:37.000 The mainstream media.

01:08:38.180 Okay?

01:08:38.380 They're not going to ask the tough questions about their beliefs and what that's going to do

01:08:42.160 to this country.

01:08:42.820 I will.

01:08:43.400 Well, I promise you that if I get on that stage, I'll make sure that every view they

01:08:47.800 have, however radical it is, I will hold them accountable for it.

01:08:50.700 I think that it is really...

01:08:52.460 I think it's a service to the Democrats.

01:08:55.140 To the voters.

01:08:56.020 It really is.

01:08:57.280 There's no diversity.

01:08:59.060 This is going to be a medal.

01:09:00.140 How about instead of a medal, a $1 donation to amiforamerica.com?

01:09:04.620 This is a real campaign.

01:09:05.720 A-M-I.

01:09:07.440 A-M-I for america.com.

01:09:09.140 Any donation, 50 cents, will do it.

01:09:11.240 They just need 65,000 individual people.

01:09:13.240 Oh, it's .org.

01:09:14.060 It's .org.

01:09:14.760 Oh, or .com.

01:09:15.540 I have the loan.

01:09:16.240 Or .net.

01:09:16.900 Okay.

01:09:17.300 Oh, come on.

01:09:17.640 I covered my bases here.

01:09:19.820 Come on.

01:09:20.480 You're not dealing with a rookie.

01:09:21.740 Well, do you have it also, Amy, A-M-Y, just in case?

01:09:25.800 I should have, actually.

01:09:26.700 Yeah, you should have.

01:09:27.260 You should have.

01:09:27.840 But I was going to say this is not my first rodeo, but this is definitely my first rodeo.

01:09:31.820 Ami Horowitz.

01:09:34.040 Amiforamerica.com.

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