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Glenn Beck talks about his plans for this weekend and the election, and how he thinks the Democratic Party is going to lose it's grip on the White House, and why he doesn't think it's going to happen.
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It's a question I ask myself approximately noon on Saturday.
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please tell me we don't have anything to do this weekend.
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She's like, we have this, and we have this, and we have this.
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Then Saturday we have this, and then you have this.
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And I'm like, okay, are you trying to tell me that we don't?
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This is one of the few weekends my son does not have 914 baseball games.
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So I think we're basically any pumpkin patch in the state of Texas,
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I'm wondering, how many chess tournaments are there if you're in chess club?
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I was convinced my daughter she should join chess club.
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Parents need to devise something that seems like a really great activity,
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because that empty lot's got a lot of broken glass in it.
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it changed my life and so many people right into the show.
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And then I get to go home and go and drive for about 14 hours to my son's football game.
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Oh, this is the only time I miss the East Coast.
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Where, like, you know, the whole, you could drive the whole state and back in, like, 25 minutes.
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I mean, not three hours worth, but I got some good news for you.
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Somebody asked me last night, they said, Glenn, what do you really think about the election?
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And I'm like, could people stop asking me what do I really think?
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It's not like I have, you know, I got to tell you, I'm so optimistic right now.
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I mean, I don't have a secondary opinion on stuff.
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As someone who spent multiple decades as your executive producer, the problem is he says what he really believes too much.
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That's the real issue we've had with the show over the years.
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But if this were any other time in American history, I would think that this is going to be a red tidal wave.
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Just a tidal wave that will collapse the Democratic Party possibly forever.
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You'd think with the performance of the last couple of years, that would be what we'd be looking at here.
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And the fact that they're still fighting for, you know, hey, pedophilia is not so bad.
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Uh, you would think that this would put them out of business forever.
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They just added that to the Democratic platform, by the way.
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The Virginia Democrats are trying to pass a law.
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It's not going to pass, but it might in, what, four years when the governor is gone or six years when he can't run again.
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Um, the Democratic legislature is putting in that parents must, um, affirm their child's chosen gender or they can have their kids taken away from them.
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Here you are in a state that's really a blue leaning state and you have a Republican governor just because of things like that.
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And, um, you know, usually you would think, well, that's suicide, but no, no, they're just going for it.
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And what, what is crazy to me is so many things have been made political that are just, it's clouding everybody's vision, everybody's vision.
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You know, you, you, you want to talk about pedophilia.
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Let's talk about pedophilia, but can we do it without saying, yeah, but Trump, can we not make this about politics?
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And instead about the molestation of our children, you know what I mean?
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So I would be very optimistic any other time, but I can no longer predict America because half of America is a psycho.
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However, the other point B on this one, on the downside is, uh, I would think it would be an absolute red wave if I had belief in the system.
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I am, I'm shell shocked enough to say, I'm not sure this is going to be free and fair.
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Um, and you'll like, for instance, you will, you could convince me that, uh, Donald Trump won in a landslide, but I need evidence and I don't have the evidence.
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I have things we should follow and things we should check out.
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I mean, nobody's following, you know, Dinesh D'Souza's, uh, uh, breadcrumbs.
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We need an official group to sit down and really, truly follow it, but that's not going to happen.
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So you could convince me that he won in a landslide.
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You can convince me that he lost, but you will never convince me that they didn't at least try to do everything they can to throw this election.
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There's, there's no way that you can convince me that the Democrats didn't use every tool in their toolbox to rig this last election.
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I mean, if you had, if you picture a scenario in which, um, I don't know, Kamala Harris is sitting in a room by herself and there's a button that says that she could switch the election to them winning instead of the Republicans.
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If the question is just how difficult it is to pull something like that off, but I don't have any, any hesitation at all in that if they had the opportunity and felt they could pull it off.
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I'm not saying they did pull it off, but they had the opportunity and they tried every, by changing laws, by drop boxes, certainly by changing laws before the election took place.
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They definitely tried to tilt the playing field in their, in their, in their advantage.
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So I don't have any faith that they're not going to try that again.
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And their arrogance, like let's take children away from their parents.
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A couple of weeks before the election, the arrogance that is either suicidal arrogance.
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And I don't want to think that way because I do think that this, this election, you got to go out and vote.
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I believe we can just overwhelm the ballot box this time.
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And we talked about this a little bit on Studios America on, on Wednesday's show that the messaging of the election is going to be stolen is really dangerous for Republicans.
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Because honestly, like if you believe that, then why go, why go, right?
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I mean, then that, that's what happened, I think, in Georgia, in the runoffs, right?
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You know, there was so much messaging around, oh, this was stolen.
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Don't, they're never going to count your vote anyway.
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Warnock and, uh, and, uh, Ossoff both got in that way.
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And it's also the reason we just spent $5 trillion because they got control of the Senate by the slimmest of majorities.
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So, um, and I, and I don't think that they have it locked down where they can guarantee, I think they'll try, they're trying, but I, you know, shenanigans.
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The thing that has bothered me, and here comes the good news.
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The thing that has bothered me was the arrogance until yesterday.
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Um, inflation's going to get much worse if Republicans win.
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And I thought, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, he's admitting that inflation exists and he knows, everybody knows, it's going to get much worse.
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But he's signaling now, if they win, that's how we're going to defend.
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We're just going to push it all on the Republican Congress.
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There's a possibility we're not going to take this thing.
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By January, by January, they'll be sworn in for like 20 minutes.
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And Joe Biden and the media will be saying, inflation is out of control.
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And this do nothing Congress is only making things worse.
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He's not even, he doesn't even, he doesn't even really admit that there is inflation or that it's going to be a problem.
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So this is, you're saying this is a preview of their argument when they lose because he believes they will lose.
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I don't know if he believes anything or does anything other than.
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So, but it's being discussed and he played it yesterday.
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I, we've heard this from a bunch of conservative commentators recently that there's going to be this red wave.
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I'm not as confident as everybody else seems to be.
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And it could be a, in a normal period of time, this would be Reagan-Mondale.
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Yeah, I mean, look, obviously we don't have a presidential election.
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There's not even state, elections in 50 states for the Senate.
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It would just be, it would be a stunning victory in normal times.
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Yeah, one thing that's interesting about looking at this as a wave, right?
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We look back at the 2010 election as a wave election, the biggest wave in the past century.
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There was, I can't remember the number, but it was close to like 100 seats.
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Because of the starting point this time, though, in the House, the House is just a razor thin majority for, so if you can get to 200, 240 seats is arguably the high watermark that Republicans could shoot for rationally.
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In a wave election, they could get into that vicinity.
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But that's what, but that's how we have to frame this.
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The seats that are available are not in Republicans' favor, okay?
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You could wind up with tons and tons of seats, a large majority.
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Or you could see a narrow victory for Republicans that at least will still block the worst instincts of the Democrats, but will not be enough to really move the needle.
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In a way of saying, like, there's a mandate for what Republicans are trying to do, whatever that is.
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You know, it's just, I think at this point, you know, we talked about this on your election special the other night.
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There is an instinct from Republicans right now to say, look, we just need to not be them.
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Like, you probably, if you are just, we are not going to do the same things Joe Biden is doing, you probably will win.
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But that's not going to give you a mandate going forward for decades of leadership.
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However, let me, let me tell you what I think, because he said yesterday, you know, it's going to get much worse if Republicans win.
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So let me tell you what I think is going to happen.
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The Republicans will win the House and the Senate.
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From my mouth to God's ear, please, Lord, please.
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And inflation is going to get much, much worse.
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Well, I mean, something's weird about this stuff with Jamie Dimon.
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But he is coming out and he is saying, I told you that it was a hurricane, category five, back in the summer.
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I'm telling you, I was underestimating what is coming.
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Came out yesterday and said, there is a 30% drop in the market from here that is about to hit.
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And, you know, dogs and cats are going to be living together.
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So the Republicans will be blamed for everything by the media and the Democrats.
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And because we have a do-nothing Congress, we're going to have to take some emergency actions.
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And this president is going to start dictating.
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And he's also, I mean, he already is, but worse.
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And he's also going to put into action his little foot soldiers of BLM and TIFA and everything else.
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You're going to start to see real trouble again on the streets.
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And it's going to all be tied to like an Occupy Wall Street kind of thing.
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These people are going to, and we're not getting, we need these Republicans to step aside so we can just start giving money to the people.
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And we're going to need to help each other and come together.
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They're not telling you this now, but I'm, I am telling you, I don't know why we keep saying we're going to be in a recession.
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We're in a recession and things are going to get bad.
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I think we're headed for a depression and then a complete collapse of the U.S. dollar within the next five years.
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So just mentally prepare for that and then think, what do I have to do to make sure my friends, my neighborhood, my family, my community is set to weather that storm?
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Because when you get a, you know, marauding people that are just hungry in the cities and angry and they're spurred on by crazy politicians, what do you do to keep your community safe?
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That's the way you have to start thinking because it's going to get in.
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Did you notice that it was the streets were on fire?
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No one knows how to get to the streets anymore.
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Yeah, it's like, I don't, Molotov cocktail, that sounds lovely, darling.
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Can you make a Molotov cocktail for me, please?
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And the second they lose the power, it's coming back.
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Remember, I told you how they took over in the, in Hungary, the Soviets.
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They get their foot soldiers on the bottom to rise up and cause so much chaos.
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The top has no choice but to come down and build a cage for everybody because the average people are calling out for help.
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Strengthen your state and your local community so that is not the cry from you.
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If you have a panic room, you should be in it already.
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And no matter how you feel about Alex Jones, a billion dollars, a billion dollars in damages
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is should be chilling to every American and especially broadcasters.
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Isn't a billion just the damages and there's going to be a punitive phase on top of this?
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And there's a whole nother case in Connecticut ready to go.
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It's going to be probably multiple billions of dollars before this.
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There's the Texas one, which was like 45 or whatever.
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I tweeted it out this week, OJ Simpson, when he was sued for the wrongful deaths of Nicole
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Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, he only had to pay out a $33 million settlement.
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So to put this in perspective, the numbers for actually killing two people is a tiny percent
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Juries every day have to adjudicate wrongful death or, you know, if someone dies in a car
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wreck or something, how much that estate is owed.
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And the numbers are nowhere near as close to this.
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So there's just no concept here of proportionality in terms of, you know, and in addition, you
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know, you see people like, well, you know, look what he did to these parents.
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It's like what was done to the parents pales in comparison to what the shooter did.
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You know, that was where the real damages were.
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And he's being charged with much more than what they had to suffer through at the hands
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So there was no there was no closure, I think, for the parents because the gunman shot himself.
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And so, you know, Alex Jones, I think this was a despicable thing to to perpetrate.
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However, you know, there are a lot of bad people or bad opinions or whatever that are out there.
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You can't take your grief out on on somebody and their freedom of speech.
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And I think part of this was you feel so bad for the parents, horrible for the parents, for
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the shooting and then for what they had to endure.
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I mean, what is the point of a billion dollars?
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Well, when people talk about issues like this, I always try to bring something innovative to
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And I think we all forgot because we all have the you know, when you have a president who
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has Alzheimer's, it kind of becomes leadership.
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But we're all forgetting that Peter Thiel took out Gawker.
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I just thought of that as I was waking up this morning, which is, you know, Gawker outed
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Gawker was a series of websites head in New York, very malevolent in many capacities.
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Why Hulk Hogan would need funding is not really clear to me.
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Hulk Hogan being a very successful athlete actor for decades.
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And they actually managed to take down the Gawker empire and drove Nick Denton, the owner,
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But at the same time, you know, what people are concerned about, very understandably, is
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And what effect is this going to have in other broadcasters?
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When Gawker was destroyed, it did not at all reign in the vitriol in Internet media,
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I would not be surprised at all if we find out after this that somebody is funding these
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They're so like they're so targeted to this one guy.
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And again, like, you know, whatever you think about Alex Jones, if if you want a central
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theory he's really responsible for, you'd say the 9-11 theory.
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He was not I don't think the leader on the Sandy Hook thing at all.
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They have about 12 instances of him even talking about it.
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You know, like and the idea that you you go after a host for saying something that he
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admits was is wrong now, a wrong opinion, because people who may or may not have heard
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that theory from him, they could have heard it from anywhere else on the Internet, went
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The people who should be held responsible for that harassment are the people who did it.
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The people who actually went up to these poor parents and harassed them in real life.
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Those are the people that should be charged with this stuff.
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And by way of peril, Sarah Palin recently sued The New York Times because she was accused
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by them of being behind the Gabby Gifford shooting and things like this.
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So there is it's certainly the legal system, which I'm obviously not a fan of being an anarchist,
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often leads to kind of these outcomes which just seem to be completely incoherent in relation
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I mean, I think, you know, if the worst comes to pass and Infowars is taken down and Alex
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has to file bankruptcy, he's not going to go away.
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They're not literally removing his tongue or the existence of microphones on Earth.
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So I do think this is, you know, meant to make an example, but I think it's going to
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have a counter effect because it's going to make people that much more of the view that
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there are forces out there designed to silence any questioning of official narratives.
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And Michael, when you when you look at at this, I mean, OJ Simpson, he just declared bankruptcy
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and he was off playing golf and they tried to say, you know, look at the money you have.
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And he's like, no, no, no, I'm just this is money I'm just making today.
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And, you know, he got around all of it and, you know, had a pretty sweet life.
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Is it really truly in your eyes something that is just trying to scare people like me
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or others, you from speaking out and questioning the truth?
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But in their perspective, they don't know what else to do, because Alex Jones was decreed
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a non-person like several other people you and I can name that we've probably been friends
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And he was officially supposed to have vanished.
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And the fact that he was driven off of all forms of social media and that he still has
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an audience and that he still can be, you know, I had him on my podcast a couple of times.
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You know, I could reach an audience with him as a guest.
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This really drove some very bad people crazy because it was the rule that you do not talk
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And the fact that he's actually beloved and regarded by some people, even those who don't
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like him as perhaps a buffoon, as opposed to a dangerous threat, that is a problem because
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All these organizations have said this person is off limits.
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And when the reverse happened, they really didn't know what to do except double down.
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I think it means that people, you know, there was this tweet not that long ago that said
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they should change the term conspiracy theory to spoiler alert.
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But the fact that we're seeing all this stuff coming out about Pfizer this week and, you
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know, the things about social distancing never had a point and there's no even a pretense
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I think Alex Jones is like Trump and they don't realize this, a symbol of something much
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And they think if they kill the head vampire, all the other vampires vanish.
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And this is really going to create a problem for those whose job it is to manufacture popular
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opinions, especially when you go and look at Donald Trump.
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What they've missed the whole time is Trump is not the disease.
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Trump is a symptom and he's a symptom of people feeling like no one in Washington represents
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them, listens to them, includes them in anything.
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And they think if we can put him in jail or take him down or discredit, that's going to
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It will only get bigger because you make people into a martyr.
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Yeah, I said that exactly myself, that Trump is more useful as a martyr than as a president.
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I'm very much looking forward to him speaking in front of the January 6th committee, because
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It is going to be the sideshow to end all sideshows, to watch him staring down Liz Cheney.
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They're not going to be able to keep him quiet.
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No, I think because Trump has been in many ways effectively silenced, you know, he's
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That was his main venue of getting his words out there.
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I know he's now on Troth Central, but whatever to have him and have network coverage, something
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That is going to be I think that the memes are going to be epic alone.
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I think that is the only thing that I've seen politically in the last maybe four years,
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three years that will actually draw a large audience to television.
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I think they really think that watching Liz Cheney carrying out and wag her finger at
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him and scold him and he's going to sit there like a petulant child and everyone's going
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These people, since there's so much of their views are informed by Hollywood, think real
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life works like a Hollywood movie and you get to tell off the bad guy and he throws his
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hat on the floor and, you know, just shakes his fists.
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More optimistic, less optimistic that from from last week that the election is going to
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You think it's a wave, a tidal wave, a wave or just a little wash up?
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I think all the polls are showing undecideds are breaking.
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Towards Republicans, which is the historical norm.
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And I think election night when we're all going to be covering the events, it's going
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My one hope is John Fetterman becomes the senator from Pennsylvania because I'm a JFK truther.
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And John Fetterman is going to be the first senator whose brain explodes live on the floor
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of the Senate, covering everyone in his brain parts.
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Believe me, this is going to be election night coverage that you're not going to see any place
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We've got a guy who believes Kennedy's head just simultaneously exploded.
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You don't want to miss the blaze coverage this week.
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And I'm just going to announce it because I want you to make sure that you've made plans
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I believe it is on the Saturday before I'll let or Saturday after and I'll let you know
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But election night coverage is going to be unlike anything we've done.
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And then the coverage on Saturday, the following Saturday, it is going to be.
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How do you defend yourself when the ATF comes to your door?
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Who can help you if you're in a school board meeting?
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We have people who have already done it and done it incorrectly and now have learned the
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So I think this is something for every single American.
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She is an attorney who found herself in a pretty difficult situation.
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I was asked to agree to white people are racist and sign a contract about that at work.
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I imagine that you and I don't vote the same way.
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But your story, I think, is so important because even people that really radically disagree on politics should not be disagreeing on principles and the Bill of Rights as one of them.
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You were working as an attorney in a private practice.
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And I represent them mainly in custody court because they still have custody battles with their abusers.
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And those people who have lived through it, know it, and those who deal with it every day, I think, are our heroes, especially when they are protecting people.
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So that your job was to go in, represent them, help them.
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These are people generally in poverty, I would imagine, in Philadelphia.
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We can't represent them if they make over a certain amount of money.
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So almost all of our clients are low income or working class.
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So when George Floyd was murdered, this is the one time I think America United was on that day.
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I think everybody who saw that was outraged by that, except maybe a handful of crazies.
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And I imagine your workplace was like my workplace that day.
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But your place evolved into holding diversity, equity, and inclusion sessions, right?
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And at first, everyone did unite around what happened to George Floyd.
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And I don't think any thinking, feeling person could see that and not be moved against it.
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The problem came when that empathy was hijacked for what I say was an ideological cause.
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And it got to the point where if you didn't agree with that ideology, if you dissented one step away from it, then, you know, you were outcast.
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And so you had a white group and a black group?
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They divided us up according to skin color, which was something that I found so regressive and so offensive.
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And that, yeah, I eventually said, I can't participate in those groups anymore.
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And you have a special kind of something extra that makes you really worried about societies that do that.
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And it did, because the language that I heard used against white people mirrored what I what was said against Jews in the 1930s.
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And I wholeheartedly reject that kind of dehumanizing language against any race or any group.
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And if if anyone with a sense of history will tell you that things don't go well when that happens.
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So you objected to going to the whites only group.
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So as an agency, we were bombarded with messages of anti-racism.
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We were asked to attend a lot of different trainings and read a lot of different materials on like the Kenyan sense of anti-racism.
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And that included like white people decolonize your bookshelves.
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We we were really bombarded with a lot of those messages.
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However, I was concerned about how much time we were spending on this and also big conversations like defund the police.
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My my thinking was we need the police right now.
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They're not a perfect solution to any domestic violence issue, but we need them.
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So, yeah, the answer would be in better training about domestic violence situations, not about we have to defund the police because they are killing black and brown people every day.
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Like that is the hysteria that I'd say took over the agency.
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And it seemed to take over, you know, a lot of the country as well at that time.
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So tell me about the full value contract that was introduced to you.
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So it was a contract that was supposed to govern our meetings at the legal center and it was all fine.
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Most of it was like, you know, listen respectfully to other people, accept other viewpoints, things like that.
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But number five was own that all white people are racist and I am not the exception.
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And I immediately objected to that and was told, oh, you know, maybe you can just like agree with it as it's read.
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I say if that is read while I'm at a meeting, I'm not going to pretend to agree with it.
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How many people do you think sign that and just like, I don't agree with it, but whatever, just sign it.
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I know a few people did because they told me, but I think most of them were true believers.
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And I think honestly, they thought they were doing the right thing.
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It astounds me that people can think that was the right thing.
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Okay, so you said, I'm not going to, I'm not going to sign that.
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And then the company asked you to attend a meeting with the DEI consultant.
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And this is, they're going to support you, right?
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They basically were kind of testing my beliefs and challenging them.
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Like, do you believe the country is systemically racist?
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Do you believe our criminal justice system is racist?
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And I kept asking, what is the purpose of this meeting?
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And the answer I got back was, to see if you are safe to be around your black and brown
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And I kept saying, so are you telling me I need to think this way about matters of race
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And they would kind of back off a little bit from that, but then come right back to it.
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Had you ever had any racial warnings or any trouble at all with anybody in the history of
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One of the proposals I saw was that other colleagues wanted to treat microaggressions the same as
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We have gone from a country where, you know, when you're in business, you work, you work
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If somebody's out of line, hopefully they get fired, you know, in extreme cases, take
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To now, somebody comes to me with a microaggression.
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Can we please just concentrate on things that are really important?
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And let's, you know, I met with the people at GLAAD.
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And I said, look, my audience will hate me for joining with you.
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We think throwing homosexuals off of the rooftops in Iran is really bad.
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And we can do lots of examples all around where we're in Russia.
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Homosexuals are killed, tortured and killed in some cities.
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So what are we doing if we won't actually face and do things today that actually make
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We can talk about slavery 150 years ago, or we can all get together and realize that I
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think it's 70 or 60 countries in the world still have no anti-slavery laws.
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And there are more slaves today than in the entire slave trade combined.
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This ideology that is being shoved down our throats, basically.
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Because it's not, because I don't think it's actually about, you know, you wrote in your
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Newsweek article, this is really about dividing us.
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But it's not actually about bringing people together and seeing beyond race.
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And there are some wonderful, wonderful programs about racism.
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If a company wants to bring in some training about that, Sheena Mason's theory of gracelessness.
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Eric Smith and Jason Littlefield also have one.
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And it's about bringing people together, seeing the humanity in everyone.
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Well, I mean, if it teaches anything like Martin Luther King, I'm 100 percent in, you
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I know that's controversial to say now, but he had the right idea.
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She was working, helping, you know, underprivileged families, family law and abuse.
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Uh, and she was asked to sign a white people's white people are racist contract.
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She said, no, she has filed, uh, against her, uh, employer.
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So I filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
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Um, and all I want is for the civil, the existing civil rights laws to be followed and for the
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organization to say that they're going to follow them and basically knock this other
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Um, I don't want, you know, any monetary damages except for paying for my legal bills.
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The next step would be to request a right to sue letter and sue in, in state court.
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I don't want to take money or time away from this organization, but I think that this, um,
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Because this kind of division is not going to service.
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As an organization and it's not going to service as a country and someone had to be willing
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And it's, it's not like the position I wanted to find myself in, believe me, but it's the
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That's usually how you know you're on the right side or you're standing with God.
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And it's like, Oh no, I don't want to be that person.
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And that's when, you know, usually you're right is when you're like, okay.
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And nobody, you know, Martin Luther King was not the first guy, uh, that people approached
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I think he was the eighth or the 10th pastor that was approached.
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Um, and if you're hearing that I got to stand up, I got to say something.
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Don't be the other, not the other eight pastors that, you know, were asked before Martin Luther
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It's, uh, all you have to do is stand for things, you know, are true.
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Um, it's, let's say it's been, um, a very anxiety filled time and I don't know what's
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Um, I have, we have been professional in my organization.
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We are still like able to work professionally together.
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Um, I would like this to end happily, but I don't know.
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So yeah, I don't know the future, Nicole, um, please keep us up to date.
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I know that we don't have the same political background, but anyone who is standing for
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the bill of rights and just common decency, we are in your corner.