The Glenn Beck Program - September 17, 2020


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Candace Owens, former White House Strategist and National Security Adviser, joins Glenn Beck on the Glenn Beck Show to talk about the coming color revolution, and why it's not just about the election. It's about the end of the world.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, podcasters. Hey, podcasters. We got a great program for you today. We have Candace Owens. We spent about an hour with her talking about, you know, the world, what's coming, the election, a little spine tingly.
00:00:14.480 Also, something even more spine tingly, a guy who is former National Security Advisor, and he talked to us about the coming coup, as he called it. But it is a color revolution, something that I'm going to be covering on tonight's episode of Blaze TV, probably the most important episode.
00:00:35.840 I just have this feeling. This is like last call. This is really it. Last call. And something I'm going to be focusing on over the next few weeks as we come up to the election, because you need to know the truth. You will hear the truth and my challenge to social media on today's podcast.
00:01:00.800 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:01:05.840 Mike, welcome to the program.
00:01:10.880 Glenn, thanks a lot for having me on. I've been a huge fan of yours. I'm very tickled pink.
00:01:15.840 Thank you. Thank you very much. So, Mike, tell me about I mean, this this people are going to deny and say this is not happening.
00:01:25.500 But this is exactly what this is what I said on that chalkboard years ago.
00:01:29.960 The all the enemies of America, the anarchists, the communists, the socialists, the Islamists, they will all band together to destroy America in the end. 0.98
00:01:42.280 We're seeing it. This this is a great example. Tell me what's happening.
00:01:47.160 So, first of all, it's undeniable. I quote them. I make it a practice, Glenn, to quote the left in my book, The Plot to Change America.
00:01:55.920 I quote leftist sources like 80 percent of the time. They usually lay it all out.
00:02:01.020 Yes. Sometimes sometimes they're hard to parse because they think that if they use big words, we will not understand them.
00:02:06.580 Right. But but but but I quote them. So they so there's no misunderstanding here.
00:02:11.940 I quote the website of the Black Futures Lab, which is a one of the many, many ventures of Alicia Garza.
00:02:21.640 Alicia Garza is the founder of Black Lives Matter, the the organization.
00:02:27.700 And let's make this very clear from the beginning. The sentiment of Black Lives Matter, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:02:33.980 We all agree with this sentiment. Black lives do, of course, indeed matter.
00:02:39.300 It is the organizations themselves that are that have been founded by by three women who are Marxist and they say they're Marxist.
00:02:48.340 They say they're trained Marxist. Alicia Garza is probably the main one in the sense that she has the greatest media profile. 0.82
00:02:56.560 So she sits atop a what I call a global revolutionary network that has chapters not only in the United States and Canada, but all over the world.
00:03:09.380 And one of one of her many assets is the global is the Black Lives Matter global network, which is probably the main organization that she founded that.
00:03:18.960 And she leads it. She also had founded, gathered together the movement for black lives and this other asset that she has, the Black Futures Lab.
00:03:34.700 If you go to their website and you click the donate button, if you're listening to this right now, go to the site of the Black Futures Lab and click the donate button, they will be instructed to donate their money to the Chinese Progressive Association.
00:03:49.520 So what is the CPA?
00:03:54.040 The website says very clearly that the Black Futures Lab is a fiscal project, it's a financial project of CPA.
00:04:08.080 And what does CPA do?
00:04:11.380 CPA, from the beginning, has been a partner of the People's Republic of China.
00:04:15.540 It partners with them in doing events around the country.
00:04:21.900 It pushes the Beijing line.
00:04:24.600 From the beginning, it made the case that the People's Republic of China was a good thing.
00:04:30.540 This is 1972, right?
00:04:31.860 In the middle of the Cultural Revolution.
00:04:34.340 The Cultural Revolution is between 66 and 76.
00:04:36.500 So the CPA is created in 72 in the middle of the Cultural Revolution to push the line of the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party.
00:04:46.320 And one can only wonder why what we see today resembles so much the Red Guard actions of the Cultural Revolution.
00:04:56.240 So I want to read to you now what it says, because I just opened it up.
00:04:59.660 Black Futures Lab is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.
00:05:03.780 I mean, I just went to the website.
00:05:06.260 I'm reading it myself.
00:05:07.880 CPA is a 501c3 tax-exempt organization.
00:05:11.140 Tax identification number is this.
00:05:13.500 So it's important.
00:05:15.420 Again, Black Futures Lab, on their own website, is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.
00:05:24.300 It is, that's, I mean, you can't get any more clear that these are enemies of the state.
00:05:31.300 You know, China has an interest.
00:05:37.600 China is a rival, right? 0.97
00:05:39.340 Undoubtedly, China is a rival of the United States. 0.98
00:05:42.180 China has an interest in seeing us be destabilized. 0.79
00:05:45.680 China has an interest in seeing mayhem in our streets. 1.00
00:05:48.040 One thing you said at the beginning that I want to go back to a remark, because I think it's important.
00:05:55.700 What we're seeing right now is, with the demonstrations and the riots and the whole mayhem, it is an attempt to change every facet of America.
00:06:07.820 Every facet.
00:06:09.220 And they say it.
00:06:10.040 Alicia Garza says she hates capitalism.
00:06:12.400 She needs to replace capitalism. 1.00
00:06:13.940 She's very open about that.
00:06:15.040 But the Movement for Black Lives says on its website, we are against capitalism.
00:06:19.120 We want it gone.
00:06:21.760 You know, I visited, but it's not just our economic system.
00:06:25.600 They want to change.
00:06:26.040 They want to change every aspect.
00:06:27.180 I visited Duke.
00:06:28.960 I drove my children to Duke about two weeks ago.
00:06:32.320 They've done away with sororities.
00:06:34.140 They've done away with sororities because they're tied to oppression.
00:06:38.200 I don't know how they got there.
00:06:39.580 Columbia University, one of my alma maters, has done away with the marching band.
00:06:45.820 Again, oppression.
00:06:49.100 Those tuba players, man, they've been a sore spot on racism for a long time.
00:06:56.820 But anyway, go ahead.
00:06:58.380 The University of Chicago, it's a very serious school.
00:07:01.240 I've always admired the University of Chicago.
00:07:03.020 I tell my daughter, try to go there.
00:07:04.700 They just announced that they're only going to accept to its English department next year people who want to study black studies.
00:07:14.400 Black studies is an offshoot of critical theory. 0.67
00:07:17.940 Angela Davis, I don't have to explain to you who she is, but I'll explain very briefly to your audience.
00:07:22.640 Former Black Panther, a member of the Communist Party USA, you know, does not like the American system.
00:07:29.320 She calls black studies the intellectual arm of the revolution, along with all other ethnic studies.
00:07:37.040 Anything that says studies after it is a problem.
00:07:41.140 It really is.
00:07:42.460 I mean, you really better do your homework before you get into a class if it says studies as the last word in the class.
00:07:51.360 Right, right.
00:07:52.080 Or theory.
00:07:53.020 Yeah, or theory.
00:07:54.020 Yeah.
00:07:54.700 Critical race theory.
00:07:55.780 Correct.
00:07:56.100 All these things are just attempts at the tools for changing America.
00:08:00.340 Right.
00:08:01.620 So, Mike, I thank you so much for your work on this and so much more.
00:08:07.580 Please, if you have more information on other aspects, please let me know right away, because exposing this is the first step of collapsing it.
00:08:22.400 Just people knowing that Black Lives Matter is now partnering with a pro-Chinese, a pro-communist Chinese group.
00:08:33.880 And what are they doing?
00:08:35.020 I mean, welcome.
00:08:36.100 Are you registered to vote?
00:08:37.800 What are they trying to do?
00:08:38.860 Get people to go out and vote.
00:08:41.640 Why would a communist want a vote?
00:08:45.580 Well, there's a couple of reasons.
00:08:47.440 Maybe they do want Joe Biden to win.
00:08:49.720 But that if you understand Black Lives Matter, you understand what the goal here is.
00:08:55.540 It's not about the election.
00:08:57.800 It's about the violence that is coming around the election.
00:09:01.480 They're going to scream that it was falsified, that it was corrupt, that we don't have a legitimate president.
00:09:09.040 The vote was miscounted.
00:09:10.780 They've taken votes and voters and they've disenfranchised them.
00:09:16.680 That's what's important.
00:09:18.440 And they're leading up right now and saying that you can't trust the vote while they're also saying we should try something new, mail-in ballots.
00:09:29.660 Why would you do that?
00:09:31.900 Why would you do that?
00:09:34.720 It just makes no sense.
00:09:35.980 We've got to put our thinking caps on, America.
00:09:37.680 How about your thinking caps on?
00:09:39.160 Mike, thank you so much.
00:09:40.140 We'll talk again.
00:09:41.560 Thank you very much.
00:09:42.300 You bet.
00:09:42.580 Mike Gonzalez, Senior Fellow, Heritage Foundation.
00:09:46.980 And he's written a book, The Plot to Change America.
00:09:49.700 This is a really great article that you can find at thedailysignal.com.
00:09:54.420 This BLM co-founder and pro-communist China group are partnering up. 0.80
00:09:57.920 But you can find it for yourself.
00:10:00.400 Just go to blackfutureslab.org.
00:10:04.380 Do it now.
00:10:05.360 You should take a screenshot of it before they change it.
00:10:07.980 But just go to, you can find out all about it, but go to the big yellow button, Donate, and look what it says.
00:10:14.960 This is a BLM group.
00:10:17.500 Black Futures Lab is fiscally sponsored by a project of the Chinese Progressive Association.
00:10:23.560 Not even hiding it.
00:10:26.600 They don't care.
00:10:27.380 Yeah.
00:10:27.700 The masks are off.
00:10:28.800 They don't even care.
00:10:30.440 We all know that the intelligence community of the United States have pulled off coups.
00:10:48.220 We also know that a violent revolution is something that nobody in America wants, that believes in America.
00:10:58.980 We fight it out at the ballot box, not on the streets.
00:11:02.440 I've shown you last night what is needed for a successful revolution to take place.
00:11:09.360 It was on my chalkboard.
00:11:10.920 I said this is something that I have as a watch list that I have privately been watching since 2008.
00:11:16.920 I don't believe that before the election of Donald Trump, they thought they were going to need to do anything drastic, that the left actually thought a revolution was going to be needed.
00:11:31.680 They brought in all these revolutionaries.
00:11:33.980 They brought in all the revolutionary thinkers.
00:11:36.220 They had everybody they needed in media, education, even in the government, in the deep state.
00:11:41.720 They had the money they needed, the social media, the only thing they needed was to gut the police and grab the military and then make the American people docile.
00:11:54.900 So when the bottom started to rise up, they just they wouldn't say anything.
00:11:59.860 Well, I think they had all of these things.
00:12:03.560 And then when they were shocked that Hillary Clinton didn't win, they knew everything that they had planned is now in danger and Donald Trump is blowing all of it up.
00:12:18.100 They could have gotten away with it and they would have fundamentally transformed us, you know, by now or the next election.
00:12:25.700 But Donald Trump won and they needed him out.
00:12:30.740 Now, the left is being using the word revolution a lot lately and you better start taking them at their word.
00:12:38.400 We're talking a bloody revolution.
00:12:41.440 This is not hyperbole.
00:12:44.040 I want you to listen to this.
00:12:45.860 This is John Kerry, formerly our Department of State, our Secretary of State, who helped deliver and plan these seven pillars of color revolution for other nations.
00:13:00.240 I want you to listen to this while he was attending a panel this summer or I'm sorry, this summer for the Alliance of Democracies.
00:13:09.700 Listen.
00:13:09.880 So we have major challenges and if people don't have adequate access to the ballot, I mean, that's the stuff on which revolutions are built.
00:13:20.440 OK, so Kerry was addressing the question about the American system and he threw in this line about, look, I mean, you know, revolutions start on not having access to the ballot.
00:13:32.160 So already there, he's signaling that we're going to have a ballot battle coming up in in November.
00:13:42.420 Then he goes on to say, and I'm quoting, if you begin to deny the capacity of your people and your democracy to work,
00:13:52.620 even the founding fathers wrote in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, that we have an inherent right to challenge that.
00:13:59.880 So now he's saying that in America, we can challenge and we have a right to challenge, which we do.
00:14:09.200 But listen to what he ties it into next.
00:14:12.200 He's encouraged by something.
00:14:14.160 What encourages me is this incredible, spontaneous reaction to the killing of George Floyd by those police officers has unleashed a torrent of awareness that that people see this unfairness now.
00:14:30.900 And it's, I think, becoming a voting issue.
00:14:33.120 OK, really?
00:14:35.720 It was a voting issue when it was Black Lives Matter.
00:14:38.600 How is it a voting issue?
00:14:39.840 He is telegraphing.
00:14:43.440 He knew what was going on in the streets and what was coming.
00:14:49.100 It's not a voting issue.
00:14:50.380 Even now, it's not a voting issue.
00:14:52.540 They're still trying to make it a voting issue.
00:14:54.600 It will be in seven weeks.
00:14:56.560 But what did John Kerry know?
00:14:58.340 And when did he know it?
00:15:00.120 And how did he find that encouraging?
00:15:02.120 I mean, the looting, the fires, the rioting, the death, that's encouraging and the torrent of awareness of voting?
00:15:13.140 John Kerry knows exactly what he's doing here because he has done it himself before.
00:15:19.360 He was part of it during the Obama administration in 2013 and 2014.
00:15:24.600 It wasn't here.
00:15:26.080 It was in Russia and Ukraine.
00:15:29.200 If you're watching us on Blaze TV, I'm going to show you a photo.
00:15:32.340 This is John Kerry strolling through Red Square in Moscow back in 2013.
00:15:37.220 Interesting time for him to be strolling around.
00:15:40.520 Color revolutions were breaking out all over.
00:15:43.980 This photo was taken when Russia was at the tail end of their own called the Snow or the White Revolution.
00:15:51.060 Well, how did that happen?
00:15:55.160 Well, it was kicked off after a disputed election.
00:15:58.920 Now, this is going to sound very familiar in a couple of months.
00:16:02.480 It was kicked off by online bloggers who were suddenly very successful and savvy at organizing massive protests using Facebook and social media.
00:16:16.600 Hmm.
00:16:18.100 Where have we heard that before?
00:16:19.500 Oh, civil society and tech camps in Ukraine, something we exposed on my television program that is a must watch.
00:16:31.260 Now, see if this also sounds familiar.
00:16:34.740 Afterwards, Russia immediately bans USAID and they kick out the George Soros Foundation.
00:16:44.560 We showed you that what was happening in Ukraine and what really was going on with the State Department that Vindman was trying to cover up, that the left was trying to cover up.
00:16:56.520 What was this association with George Soros, USAID and the State Department?
00:17:03.040 Well, Russia was on to it and they kicked us out.
00:17:06.280 Now, I am not saying anything positive about Russia or Putin at all. 0.99
00:17:10.820 I think Putin is a cold blooded killer.
00:17:16.240 But after knowing what we know about what the Obama State Department was doing with Soros in Ukraine, I can understand why Soros or why Putin was a little pissed off at us. 0.94
00:17:26.260 So let me go back to that photo with John Kerry in Moscow.
00:17:29.680 If you can see this photo, there's a guy immediately to the right.
00:17:34.180 He is the ambassador, the brand new ambassador to Russia at the time, Michael McFaul.
00:17:40.920 He's a Stanford academic that became the first non-career diplomat to ever ascend to that post.
00:17:50.340 Now, he took office just as the snow revolution was kicking off.
00:17:56.740 And here's why the Russians were a little concerned.
00:18:01.180 After arriving in Moscow, McFaul gave an interview to a Russian outlet and he explained how he was different than other diplomats.
00:18:11.620 And I want to quote most of the specialists on Russia are diplomats, specialists in security, arms control or the Russian culture.
00:18:20.720 I'm none of those things.
00:18:24.000 I am an expert on democracy, anti-dictatorial movements and revolutions.
00:18:31.180 We appointed that guy.
00:18:37.240 Kind of an odd thing for a newly admitted ambassador to say once arriving in a country that is just about to go into revolution.
00:18:46.640 And similar on how the State Department in Ukraine was supporting the street advocates.
00:18:52.160 If you activists, if you remember right, we also talked about all of this in Ukraine.
00:18:58.960 We showed how the State Department and our civil servants in our embassy were on the ground supplying and giving support to the revolutionaries.
00:19:12.220 McFaul was holding secret meetings with protest organizers in the U.S. embassy in Moscow.
00:19:19.080 He met with these people that were leading the revolution before he even met with Putin.
00:19:28.300 So I'm pretty sure, pretty sure that Putin had a problem with him.
00:19:35.640 In 2005, McFaul wrote an academic paper.
00:19:39.520 This is 2005 on what was needed for a successful color revolution.
00:19:45.900 So now we go another next step.
00:19:48.280 Now, John Kerry is side by side with the ambassador right before they go into revolution.
00:19:54.320 They send him out to be the ambassador to Russia.
00:19:57.760 And then a revolution starts.
00:19:59.560 But he's not only an expert in revolutions.
00:20:02.400 He's one of the guys who outlined how you do it back in 2005.
00:20:08.240 And he called it the seven pillars.
00:20:11.460 And he said for a color revolution to break out, you need these seven things.
00:20:18.260 So this is what became policy in the Obama administration.
00:20:25.480 If we wanted to eject an elected leader and topple a country.
00:20:31.760 And see if it sounds like the Arab Spring.
00:20:34.220 See if it sounds like all the things we now know were not, quote, spontaneous.
00:20:38.420 That's the thing that really stuck out to me with Joe John Kerry was the way he was saying the spontaneous, the spontaneous groups are just so static.
00:20:49.440 They're not spontaneous.
00:20:51.260 We now know it's historic proof.
00:20:55.040 These were organized.
00:20:57.200 They were not spontaneous.
00:21:01.580 Now, listen, here they come and I'm going to take them through, take you through them one by one.
00:21:07.100 But let me just give you all seven first.
00:21:09.940 This is the Obama administration guide for ejecting an elected leader and toppling a country.
00:21:16.500 One, you have to have a semi autocratic rather than fully autocratic regime.
00:21:23.900 Two, you need to have an unpopular incumbent, unpopular prime minister, president or whatever.
00:21:31.480 Three, you need a united and organized opposition for an ability to quickly drive home the point that voting results were falsified.
00:21:45.320 Five, enough independent media to inform citizens about a falsified vote.
00:21:51.980 Six, a political opposition capable of mobilizing tens of thousands or more demonstrators to protest electoral fraud.
00:22:02.760 And seven, divisions among the regime's coercive forces.
00:22:08.460 That would be military and the police.
00:22:11.480 All of these pillars were present in Georgia in 2003.
00:22:18.980 The government was toppled.
00:22:20.700 They were present again in Ukraine in 2014.
00:22:25.120 The government came down.
00:22:27.480 They thought they were present in Russia in 2013, but it failed.
00:22:31.840 Probably because they didn't have a semi autocratic rather than a fully autocratic regime.
00:22:37.820 Putin has control of that state, but they think they have the components ready for us now, and they are executing a color revolution. 0.57
00:22:49.900 Now, I welcome, welcome anyone to tell me with facts where I'm wrong.
00:22:59.380 I will explain it with facts in just a second.
00:23:04.200 I started to explain it last night with facts at blazetv.com.
00:23:10.580 If I'm right, we have seven weeks.
00:23:13.640 We have seven weeks to get the word out and to prepare.
00:23:19.080 You cannot strike out.
00:23:22.080 I know I don't have to say this to you, but there are going to be people who are so-called on the right.
00:23:28.460 The neo-Nazis that want the end of the Constitution just as much as these Marxists do.
00:23:36.400 That is not the right wing of America.
00:23:38.880 That is the right wing of Europe.
00:23:40.800 We are different.
00:23:42.500 The right believes in freedom and justice for all.
00:23:46.980 Those people are going to strike out and all the press needs and all the all the UN needs to come in and make sure that these things are these crazy things are stopped.
00:24:01.660 The only thing they need to silence voices like mine that will tell you the truth is violence on the street from the other side.
00:24:13.940 It is important that you play no role in chaos, and I'm not just talking about violence.
00:24:19.360 You must know these facts and have the proof.
00:24:23.200 We have them all.
00:24:24.500 We're releasing everything.
00:24:25.980 But you need to know we'll go into these seven pillars in just a second.
00:24:33.640 First, our sponsor, by the way, the administration is on this and trust the administration.
00:24:42.200 Trust, trust that Attorney General Barr knows this as well.
00:24:48.160 He signaled that last night, I think, on Fox News or was it early this morning?
00:24:53.020 He signaled that he knows and they are not.
00:24:56.680 They are now saying that they will start treating these people the way they should.
00:25:01.020 And they are.
00:25:01.780 He said to the AGs, start charging these people with sedition.
00:25:07.800 So they are on it.
00:25:09.980 You just need to pray like you've never prayed before and learn as fast as you can.
00:25:17.680 The best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:25:23.020 I am anxious to talk to Princeton University's mathematics professor, Sergio Kleinerman.
00:25:32.620 He is somebody who wrote an article in Newsweek, Princeton's president is wrong.
00:25:39.220 The university is not systematically racist.
00:25:42.760 And he just asked some simple questions that I think are worth pondering for the entire country.
00:25:50.340 And he is with us now, Sergio, or professor, how are you, sir?
00:25:55.480 Thank you very much.
00:25:56.260 Thanks for inviting me.
00:25:57.380 I was, you know, I wondered where you got the backbone to become a pariah in the university system by saying these things.
00:26:07.520 And then I read your bio this morning.
00:26:10.060 You were born in Romania.
00:26:12.440 Correct.
00:26:13.220 And you had your undergraduate degree in Bucharest in 1973.
00:26:18.420 Correct.
00:26:18.800 When did you come here?
00:26:20.160 How old were you?
00:26:22.000 So I was 25 in 1975.
00:26:25.060 You were 35?
00:26:26.780 20, 25.
00:26:27.680 25.
00:26:28.160 Okay.
00:26:29.060 And so does any of this play into the fact that you've seen this stuff firsthand?
00:26:35.800 Absolutely.
00:26:37.040 Absolutely.
00:26:37.840 I mean, it is pretty stunning how these things are happening in the same way.
00:26:44.260 I mean, the kind of people that are in the bureaucracy today and who are pushing for things that are so familiar to me, it's pretty stunning, I must say.
00:26:54.740 If we don't change our ways pretty soon, do you see us going the way of Hungary and other nations that have fallen to this before?
00:27:07.220 I used to think that it's impossible in the United States, and I'm now less sure that it's impossible.
00:27:19.100 I mean, it is pretty stunning what has happened in academia, in the media, in many other institutions.
00:27:27.780 I mean, in fact, right now you see this woke movement infecting large businesses.
00:27:35.700 So it is just everywhere, it seems to me.
00:27:38.640 And is the main ingredient or the main toxin of this movement the critical race theory?
00:27:50.060 Or what do you see as the critical ingredients?
00:27:54.440 Well, certainly, ideologically, that's what it is.
00:27:58.500 Yeah, it's critical race theory.
00:27:59.980 Of course, it's built up, it has been built up on some version of Marxism, which is called critical theory.
00:28:08.240 There are various versions of it.
00:28:11.060 But the critical race theory is now the one which is most influenced in academia, media, and also, of course, now you see it in businesses, which is pretty amazing.
00:28:24.960 A lot of corporations, anybody else.
00:28:26.680 So you wrote an op-ed that went into Newsweek talking about the president of Princeton and how wrong he was when he wrote in July, on July 4th, believe it or not, that Princeton has systematic racism problems.
00:28:47.600 Yeah, okay, so, sorry.
00:28:49.100 Go ahead.
00:28:49.380 No, go ahead.
00:28:49.860 Yeah, so, what happened is that on July 4th, there was a group of faculty, members of the faculty of Princeton, who wrote an open letter to him and to the administration, asking for all sorts of things.
00:29:07.300 There are 48 measures that they wanted to implement.
00:29:10.880 They all are centered around somehow the fact that minorities, blacks, in fact, are not enough, I mean, represented at Princeton, and that Princeton is racist, and something has to be non-systemic.
00:29:30.060 I mean, they, you know, they don't call it racist anymore.
00:29:33.000 They call it systemic racist, which, to me, sounds much worse, in particular since there is no way to defend yourself against it.
00:29:40.480 Anyway, so they wrote this letter, and then the president answered back sometime in August, late August, answered back and conceded the fact that the university is racist.
00:29:56.380 So, so, the systemical racism, the country is racist, the university is racist, that something has to be done.
00:30:04.020 And he details, gives some, some measure that he thinks should be taken.
00:30:10.500 I mean, much less than what the July 4th letter was, but still, accepting the premise of that letter, which is, the university is racist to me, it's unacceptable.
00:30:24.240 So, one of the...
00:30:25.840 One of the things that I hear from people, they say, well, you have to admit white people have had, you know, an easier time than black people or et cetera, et cetera.
00:30:38.160 But what they fail to recognize is the solution to any of that is locked with Martin Luther King's idea that judge me by the content of my character and merit.
00:30:51.700 And they don't seem to recognize that solution.
00:30:56.420 No, not only they don't recognize, they reject it.
00:30:59.220 I mean, they outrightly reject it as being racist itself, which is pretty amazing.
00:31:05.380 So, yeah, according to them, this is also racist.
00:31:11.120 If you make this kind of consideration based on merit, you should not look at the color of my skin.
00:31:17.880 That's also racist.
00:31:19.480 That's what critical racism insists on saying today.
00:31:25.840 In Princeton, you have over 65 administrators dedicated to promoting diversity and inclusion.
00:31:36.400 You write, if implemented, how many more administrators are going to be needed?
00:31:45.000 Yeah, right.
00:31:47.280 So, my point, the point I'm trying to make is that according to what the, it's a little complicated.
00:31:59.700 I mean, obviously, the whole thing is, all the pressure comes from one minority in fact, which are blacks, African Americans, who are, indeed, there is an issue of underrepresentation at Princeton.
00:32:19.680 But somehow, when you start to articulate what it takes to get around it, you have to come up with solutions which will accept, in principle, that people should not be judged by, according to their merit, but according to the percentage they represent in a particular institution.
00:32:39.680 Which is exactly the, that's exactly what we divorced ourselves from.
00:32:44.920 We, you know, Princeton even had a quote on how many Jews could go there, how many Catholics could go there.
00:32:51.600 I mean, we, we, we, we spent decades trying to get it to where it was just based on your merit.
00:32:59.120 And quite honestly, in many cases, white people lose to Asians.
00:33:04.520 Right.
00:33:05.080 So, for example, if you look at our department, the Mathematics Department, which is really the top Mathematics Department in the country and probably in the world, the number of white, say, U.S. citizens is, represents less than 20%.
00:33:25.160 So, the race is for people from all over, and it's not a matter of color, it's nothing to do with color, because we have to, we have color people from India, or from, people who are considered also colored, according to, I don't know, all these, I mean, I hate this kind of distinctions anyway, but they are considered colored, they are from Brazil, they are from, from Pakistan, maybe the, I mean, you know, name it, from all over the world. 0.63
00:33:48.360 So, the notion that somehow we are racist is ridiculous.
00:33:51.580 So, Professor, what has the response been to your op-ed?
00:34:01.500 Well, so I got a lot of, I mean, to my surprise, I kind of expected, I wrote a few, actually, this is the fourth in a series, I started to, I never wrote anything like this, I mean, you know, I'm a mathematician, I write mathematics papers.
00:34:16.820 Right.
00:34:17.220 So, this was the first time, starting with July, that I started to, to get really worried about what's going on, and I started to write, this is a false one that I wrote.
00:34:28.140 I only got positive responses to my surprise.
00:34:31.560 Oh, wow.
00:34:32.040 So, everything that I got, I got in my mail was positive, and, yeah, I mean, if people are opposed, they somehow don't say, so, this to me, it means that somehow, the, this terrible disease that we see is really weak in a sense.
00:34:57.580 I mean, if you push it back, I mean, if you push it back, you just have to push it back, and you have to have more courage to push back against it.
00:35:03.500 Mm-hmm.
00:35:04.000 And, uh, I know, I want to bring just one name, because, uh, this is a remarkable, remarkable story of Jeff, uh, Paul Verade from, uh, Canberts.
00:35:15.020 And, uh, I don't know if I put his name correctly, but, uh, uh, he's a political scientist of Canberts College, who was, uh, forced, I mean, everybody in the, in the college was supposed to take, uh, this kind of indoctrination courses about, uh, diversity and inclusion.
00:35:36.540 And, uh, he refused, he was, uh, told that he has to, uh, that he would, should be terminated.
00:35:44.880 And, uh, still, he refused, he stood on his position, and, and in the end, he won.
00:35:50.420 He won with the help, by the way, he won with the help of, uh, of a group of artists at Princeton, who are organized around what we call this, uh, academic freedom alliance.
00:36:01.060 I mean, this alliance still has not yet started, uh, uh, effectively, but nevertheless, we took the case of, uh, this particular, uh, political scientist in the sense that, uh, that, uh, you know, he found, we were able to finance, uh, his, uh, lawyer and, uh, and, uh, you know, letters written to the university.
00:36:24.500 And in the end, they gave up.
00:36:25.980 The university just gave up.
00:36:27.240 So they allowed to take, which is pretty amazing.
00:36:29.420 I am thrilled to hear that there is somebody who is standing up and, uh, can't wait until you're really, um, ready to push out and be truly effective on a grand scale.
00:36:42.420 But voices like yours and his and what you're doing is so important.
00:36:48.380 Uh, and I, I thank you for the courage to speak out.
00:36:52.160 I'm sorry that, that it had to be somebody from Romania who's just seen it before, uh, because that's the kind of thing that makes it very possible and plausible that it could happen in America.
00:37:03.640 If Americans, uh, that were born here continue to have the arrogance that it could never happen here.
00:37:10.320 Professor, thank you very much.
00:37:12.000 Sir, uh, Sergio, uh, Kleinerman is a professor of mathematics at Princeton University.
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