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Dr. Kat Lindley is a family physician and Global Health Project Co-founder and President of GlobalCovids Summit. She is an expert on what the World Health Organization (WHO) is doing to usurp our sovereignty.
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Mike Rowe is on the show today with a lot to say about piles of dead bodies and piles of crap.
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You'll understand when you get there. Also, we talk to the governor of Alaska, who has more,
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what did he call them, restrictions or sanctions on him from this administration,
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then this administration is put on Iran. And he tells the story of Alaska pretty much disappearing.
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You don't want to miss that. And we talked to Dr. Kat Lindley. She is an expert on what the WHO is doing.
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We're running out of time to make sure that the WHO does not usurp our sovereignty with these new treaties.
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They're definitely not calling it a treaty because then it would have to be voted on in the Senate.
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New restrictions and guidelines for America. You'll find all of that and so much more on today's podcast.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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She is a family physician and a Global Health Project co-founder and president.
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And she is the director of globalcovidsummit.org.
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So tell people, most people don't know anything about this.
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So exactly as you said, they came together in 21 and decided that we need better protection
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from future pandemics because that's what they feel, that we're going to have this perpetual
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What they're trying to do is negotiate at the same time two documents.
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One is the treaty that they are calling an agreement currently because they're trying
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to get away from calling it a treaty since treaties have to be ratified in our Senate.
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The other one is amendments to international health regulation.
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They really need to be looked at together because exactly as you said, if they are passed
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in May of this year by the World Health Assembly in Geneva, it would give powers to director
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general in an event of public health emergency to decide that the area needs to be closed,
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They can dictate to the member states what type of therapeutics we use, diagnostics, vaccines.
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There is a huge push for more censorship of voices that don't feel the same as the World Health
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There is going to be a sharing of intellectual properties, more push for EUAs to approve new
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And all in all, when you really look at the documents and read both of them, you really
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Constitution, specifically First Amendment, Fourth, Tenth, and Fourteenth Amendment.
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Well, yes, that's actually the big push that Director General Tedros always says.
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For the future generations, we must pass this pandemic agreement because we need to protect
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In reality, you have to see that the World Health Organization is trying to position themselves
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There is also something in the Article 5 of the pandemic agreement called One Health.
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And One Health essentially says that the lives of humans are not more important than animal,
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plants, and everything is intertwined with the climate change.
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So with this One Health Agenda, the World Health Organization will essentially have power over,
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Is the World Health Organization still in bed with the Chinese, or is that something that
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can change from time to time just based on the, I don't know, the appointments of the
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Tedros was actually a position with the support from China and specifically United Nations.
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As you're well aware, the World Health Organization is the subsidiary of United Nations.
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And there is actually, it's interesting to watch both of these organizations at the same
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time because the UN is pushing for global governance.
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And they are pushing for this CBDC, the Central Bank Digital Currency.
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If you combine that with the World Health Organization push for vaccine digital passport that they have
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adopted from European Union, you can really see this possibility of reaching social credit score
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Are you getting any attention at all from the mainstream media?
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No, mainstream media really likes this pandemic agreement.
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Luckily, we are getting some support from legislators on federal level and specifically on state
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So I know you are well aware of our political landscape.
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On federal level, we will have a difficult time because Biden administration is the one pushing
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And they are very much in favor of the pandemic agreement.
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But on state level, we can actually protect ourselves because of the 10th Amendment.
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And in New Hampshire, I testified in February on a bill, HB 1156, that would not allow any
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jurisdiction to the World Health Organization on state level, on county levels and things like
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So they are going for a full vote on the floor this Thursday.
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We need everyone in New Hampshire to call their representatives because it made it out of the
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Democrats were against this bill and Republicans obviously understand the dangers.
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So we need people to call their representatives and push for this bill to be passed.
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And the 10th Amendment is the amendment that says anything that's not enumerated in the Constitution
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as a federal power, all of that goes back first to the people or first to the states and the
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And if it's if it's not spelled out in the Constitution, then they have no they have no
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And so you're trying to use the the 10th Amendment saying that there's there's nothing in the
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Constitution that says what exactly what are they claiming is their power?
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The health care, the police power, when it comes to health care of the citizen of the
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Federal level has no jurisdiction over the health care of the citizen.
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So this is why it's important to actually push for this to protect the states so that
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the World Health Organization, if they decide we need future lockdowns, new vaccines, quarantine
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and things like that, the state agencies do not have to comply and should not comply.
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How different would COVID have been if this were in play?
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Not only that, how different the COVID would have been if the physicians were allowed to
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do what we know best to do, you know, early treatment, us really coming in first line and
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taking care of the people and then speaking with our agencies and our agencies listening
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I would say the only good thing that happened during COVID era is that we realized that our
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government, I know you know this, but most people didn't realize that our government is not really
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working for us and that there are too many strings attached with many of these agencies.
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You know, someone like me, I understand what has happened because I look at it through global
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eyes, you know, build back better. When have you had these heads of state in every country say
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And, you know, people need to realize that this truly is an attack on national
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You know, I was in Croatia in December testifying in their parliament and that's exactly what I
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said. You know, Croatians need to remember who they are, love their country and take back their
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power. The same thing with Americans. This is a country that understands freedom, that understands
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this is the most important thing we have in the world and we need to take back our power. Simple as
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How concerned are you just as an individual that, you know, grew up under communism, left
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Yugoslavia, I think when you were about 18 and got to Italy and then to America.
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To go to school. How concerned are you with what you're seeing in just America itself?
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You know, I am a true example of what American dream is. And I have five children. I do fear for
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their future. I fear, you know, with everything that's happening, the transgender policies, we're
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trying to confuse our children and who they are so that they are easily controlled. You know, I hate
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this bipartisan divide because we all should value what America stands for. If you lose this country,
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if you lose the freedom, you know, America is a beacon of hope for so many people like myself. And
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every, everyone, when I speak with people around the world, everyone says eyes are on United States,
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you know, you guys get your act together, do something. We're letting it slip through our
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fingers. And, uh, I'm a realist. And I have to tell you, I'm, I'm afraid. I am really afraid. We need a
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complete change of leadership in November. Every person needs to go and vote. They need to become
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poll watchers. They need to do whatever they can to make sure that we have fair elections, that our
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voices are counted, and that whoever is in leadership next understands that this country is such a unique
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place in the world, and there is no place like this. Dr. Kat Lindley, thank you. We'll talk again.
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The thing that you can do right now is educate yourself. Go to globalcovidsummit.org, globalcovidsummit.org.
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If you live in New Hampshire, there is a vote on bill 1156 on Thursday. Um, it, it must pass and stop, uh,
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the federal government from giving the state sovereignty away. Uh, your doctors will not be able to speak out.
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Your doctors will be silenced, uh, and we will be controlled by the World Health Organization.
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Something really run by China and the United Nations. I don't know. I'm not really for it.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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Friend of the program, Mr. Mike Rowe. How are you?
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First of all, um, with regard to your sponsors. Yes. Excellent choices. Thank you. I love this
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foundation and at the risk of just shameless pluggery and wanton capitalism, uh, this is an
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American giant shirt. Oh my gosh. They, uh, I have that shirt. I have that shirt. I think you wore it
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last time I was here and I thought, what are the odds that we'd show up looking like the Pops and
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Twins? But you know, Bayard, he's a friend of mine. I love him. And I've had him on my podcast and
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he's, uh, featured in a new book that you'll love if you haven't seen it. It's called flannel.
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Yep. And it's all about what it really takes to make this shirt. Shockingly difficult. It is
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amazing, brother. I mean, I, I know, you know that you gave me a shirt 10, 11 years ago when you were
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doing, what was it? 1791. Yeah. I still have it. It was like, it's like a canvas work shirt. Yeah.
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And ever since that, man, I've been obsessed with trying to better understand the drama and the
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trauma of getting textile manufacturing back in this country. It's mind boggling. If, if companies
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like Levi's would do 5% of their, of their manufacturing here in America, America would
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change. Yep. Would change for sure. No interest in it at all. It's, I mean, when you really start to
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peel back the layers and this is, I don't know if this is on your agenda of stuff to talk about,
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but it is, I just did a whole thing on the toothpick, like the business. We used to be the
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toothpick capital of the world. We're very proud of it. It was a giant industry up in Maine, you know,
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white birch. I mean, the, there's the book on it is amazing. And when you slowly see the way that we
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basically gave up on toothpicks, you can start to understand the way we gave up on textiles.
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And then you start asking questions like, well, what hope does Detroit really have?
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Like if we can't get the splinter, right. If we can't get a shirt, right. Right. So there are no
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small things. Anyway, what, what American giants doing, I think is, I think it matters because,
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because, because they're 13 years at it now. Right. So that's, you know, good for you for having
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them on. I love them. I love them. So Mike, let's just talk about the state of the world because
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we are being boxed. If you're a small business guy, you have under 20 employees. You now have a
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transparency act where you'll spend two years in jail. If you don't tell the federal government,
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the treasury crimes division, uh, everything that they want to know. Um, I don't know how much that's
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going to cost the small businessman, uh, in just time alone. Plus you have the proact, which is now
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just been done through the department of labor. We don't vote on anything anymore. It's just a new
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guidelines. Yes. Yes. New guidelines. Yeah. And, uh, what is that going to do to, when we think gig
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economy, we think, you know, Uber drivers, et cetera, no, no, no truckers alone. Will we have
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groceries at our stores? 50,000 in California alone, 50,000. I had a guy on my podcast called
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Tom Odom, who's one of these truckers and he's been written about in the press. And I was just so
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interested in his story. He, in fact, I interviewed him while he was in his truck driving across the
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fruited plane, you know, and he just pulled over and we had this amazing conversation,
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but people, I like to talk about it in terms of unintended consequences, but I realize now that
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I might be giving too much credit, too much. Right. But look, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to stay in
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whatever lane is left to me. But when I, when I first saw that lane away from you soon, it's getting
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narrow, man. It's very narrow. It's getting narrow. Um, when I first saw this thing rear
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its ugly head, it was, uh, it, to your point, uh, aimed toward the gig economy in Silicon Valley,
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mostly Uber and Lyft. And then it just grew and grew and grew graphic artists, writers,
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cinematographers, dancers, uh, so many people. And I'm like, how many are actually going to be
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impacted? And then the question was how many people are actually freelancing right now? And
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the answer is north of 70 million in the whole country. And so what the drafters of AB five asked
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us to believe initially was that huge numbers of workers were being shamelessly victimized by
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greedy and rapacious capitalists who should have hired them as employees and therefore opened the
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door to benefits and so forth. Now, did that ever happen? Yeah, I suspect it's a big country and
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there's exceptions to every rule, but the number of people who were adversely affected prior to this
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versus the number of people who have now lost the freedom to work the way they want is mind boggling.
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It's, and it happened in California, of course. And to your point, it's happened and is happening
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right now. And when people realize what this means, you know, you want to set your own schedule,
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forget it. You want to eat what you kill, forget it. We don't, we don't want to think that way
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anymore because that person might fail. And if that person fails, well, then the narrative goes,
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we just can't tolerate that. I'm sure you've been to Buckingham palace and, uh, Windsor castle.
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I was just over there for the first time and, uh, the new King was in the castle. Uh, and he's got
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this whole wing by himself and he lands his giant helicopter right there in his backyard.
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And I've never been like, I've, I've been to, you know, the American castles and I've never had a
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problem with it. Never. I walked through that castle and it pissed me off the entire time because I
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thought there is no one in this country that could ever build this except the one who's cornered the
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market. Right. You know, there's no opportunity, none to actually become something because the
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government has you so pigeonholed and people just accept it. And I don't want to be like that. I don't
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want to live in that kind of country. You know, if there's no risk, there's no reward. Well,
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there's the four letter word, right? Risk, I guess risk and maybe debt are the, the only four letter
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words right now that I think are truly for sale. You know, we have to have honest conversations
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about both of those things. The willingness to accept risk is the fundamental bedrock of freelancing.
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Right. And not everybody is willing to take that risk. Some people just want a stable job and there's
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absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. It's, it's so similar. I think the reason
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this thing has become such a, an issue for me is because it, it translates perfectly into a four-year
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education versus a trade school. This idea that we have to put our thumb on the scale, this idea that
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one has to be elevated at the expense of the other is precisely what's informing the proact. We're not
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saying that it's, that it's good to be an employee. We're saying it's so good that if you don't do that,
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then you're doomed. You, you, you are engaging in a level of behavior that's so risky. You're actually
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posing some sort of existential threat, not just to yourself, but to your family,
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to your neighbor and so forth. So it's, it's amazing how we can't simply put all the options
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on the table and let the grownups decide what fits best. I got to tell you, you say, even in today's
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world where universities are taking our children and molding them into the exact, Woodrow Wilson
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said, the job of a university is to make a man the most unlike his father as possible. Okay. That was
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his goal. Um, and that's really kind of the goal now, I think in many, in many places. Um,
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and so many people will say, cause I've got two teenagers, are they going to go to college?
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No, probably not. One of them, maybe the other one trade school, maybe don't know, don't know.
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It's going to be up to them. And what is the value of a big, expensive $250,000 education?
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If you're not going to use it, if you don't have something, if you're just like, wow, I think I'm
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going to do this. A, the world is changing so fast. We don't know what jobs are going to be there.
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I worry that I'm the product of a liberal arts education. I got one. It served me well. I'm glad
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I got one. Yeah. Did it lead directly to my chosen field? No, it did not. But it comes in handy every
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single day. And mine consists of two years at a community college and another couple of years at
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university. And when I finished in 84, the whole thing costs $12,200, all of it. Today, same school,
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same course loads, 92 grand. Now, nothing in the history of this country has increased faster than
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the cost of a four-year degree. Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin. Well, or, but then fallen and then back.
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Right. I mean, look, it's, but, but I mean, really, if you look at healthcare,
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if you look at real estate, if you look at food, and if you look at energy, the big four,
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those things have all been eclipsed by the cost of a four-year degree. But still, we can't help
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ourselves. Still, we've told this whole generation, if you don't get one, you're screwed. Right. And
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that's criminal. It's a shame because my liberal arts education right now is on this thing.
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All of it. Yes. All of it. I've got access to 98% of the known information right now for free.
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Yeah. Okay. But still, still we charge. During lockdowns, Columbia raised their rates. NYU raised
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their rates. And we still paid it. Right. So look, it's, it's easy to look at the Ivy League,
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especially now, and, and point to all sorts of embarrassments. Yeah. But it's, it's not even
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about that. It's, it's just this bigger thing that's happening where a whole chunk of our workforce
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is tied to a whole chunk of our education system that has been, that has become the proximate cause
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of derision. I said to my son, where did you learn that? He said, oh, I can audit a course at MIT
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online. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, you, you have the opportunity unlike any human has had,
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and yet it's a bad thing. You are listening to the best of Glenn Beck. To listen to the rest of this
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interview, check out the full show podcast. I guess we should update you. Uh, there is the,
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uh, hearing today on the guy who gave president Biden a, a pass, uh, saying, oh, you know what?
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He's just, uh, he's just a, you know, kind old man. Who's just forgetful. Yeah. Well-meaning elderly
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man with a poor memory. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the transcript has actually been released
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and the transcript is a little shocking. I didn't think it was shocking at all. Actually,
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I've watched Joe Biden for multiple years and this is about how I think he is in private. Now it's weird
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because the, the portrayal of Biden by the media and of course the Democrats is that when he's in
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public, he's a bumbling idiot. Sure. But you don't see him like we do when he's behind the scenes,
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he's always on top of everything. In fact, it's so impressive. None of these 25, 30 year old aides
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can even keep up with the guy. I mean, it is incredible. It's so stupid. And if you believe
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that you literally will believe anything or anything. Um, but I thought some of the transcript
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was, it was interesting. Can I give you some of this? This is a, from the people were talking
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about how he couldn't remember dates. And I think it's overblown after reading the transcript,
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but you, you make up your own mind. Here's Joe Biden. He said, this is from the New York Times.
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This is actually the part of the New York, uh, of the transcript, the New York Times
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wanted you to know. Yeah, wanted you to know. Occurred. Biden, quote, well, um, I, I, I,
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I, I, I, I, don't know. This is, what, 2017, 2018, in that area? Mm-hmm. He's, uh, her answers,
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yes, sir. Remember in this time frame, my son is either been deployed or is dying.
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2015. Oh, whoops. So he's either deployed or dying in 2017 or 18. Mm-hmm. And he says,
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uh, but he's either been deployed or dying and, and so it was, and by the way, there were still
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a lot of people at the time when I got out of the Senate that were encouraging me to run
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in this period, except the president. Which is just sad that he has to admit this. Yes, yes.
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Um, and, and I'm not, and that's not a mean thing to say. He just thought that she had a better
00:29:48.300
chance of winning the presidency than I did. It says quite a bit. The most hated woman in all of
00:29:54.820
politics. Ah, she's a better bet. And so I hadn't, I hadn't, at this point, even though I'm at Penn,
00:30:03.540
I hadn't walked away from the idea that I may run for office again. But if I ran again, I'd be running
00:30:09.400
for president. And, and so what was happening though? What month did Bo die? Oh God, May 30.
00:30:19.860
And then all of the lawyers step in at this point, a white house lawyer, uh, 2015, 2015,
00:30:26.120
unidentified male speaker, 2015. And he says, was it 2015? He had died?
00:30:33.080
Mm-hmm. Unidentified male speaker. It was May of 2015. Biden. It was 2015.
00:30:42.260
Biden's personal lawyer. Or I'm not sure the month, sir. I'm not sure that was the year though.
00:30:46.600
Another person shoving in. That's right. Mr. President. It was 2015. All these other people
00:30:50.900
remember when his Biden son died. And he said, and what happened in the meantime is that as,
00:30:57.740
and Trump gets elected in November of 2017? Question mark? Unidentified male speaker, 2016.
00:31:07.280
We have actually elections every four years. Yeah, he doesn't know that. It's always an even
00:31:10.600
number. Yeah. You know, without question. He's only been in government his entire life. Yes,
00:31:15.500
so how would he know that? That's, you know, of course, that's just the Senate. Um, 2016, uh,
00:31:21.220
2016. All right. So why do I have 2017 here? That's when you left office. January of 2017,
00:31:29.760
says the White House counsel. Yeah. Okay. But that's when Trump gets sworn in January. You see,
00:31:36.360
he's just repeating what other people, after he's wrong, people correct him. And then he just repeats
00:31:41.500
what they're saying. And every person has seen this with an old relative, right? Like when you're in a
00:31:46.980
conversation with them, they don't know what the answer is. You tell them, and then they kind of just
00:31:50.500
repeat it. Like helps them kind of, you know, center themselves on what's going on. When you
00:31:55.360
don't have somebody to give you, uh, something to repeat, this is what that relative sounds like.
00:32:00.840
This is from yesterday. Cut one. Tremendous amount of things you can cut. It may be precisely
00:32:07.140
tremendous amount of things you can do, not cut. He said, I will. And the bottom line is he's still at it.
00:32:17.180
Oh my God. Wow. So you got that going for you. Now, this is the guy
00:32:21.400
who is, according to the governor of Alaska, Mike Dunleavy, uh, sanctioning Alaska more than he has
00:32:30.740
sanctioned Iran. Governor Dunleavy, welcome to the program. Hey, Glenn. Good morning. Hey,
00:32:37.600
good morning. So, uh, I know it's really early for you. Um, uh, thank you for being on the program.
00:32:43.320
That's quite a statement to make. Well, it is, but if you look at the 55, 56 actions now compared to the
00:32:53.780
19 actions that have been, uh, set against Iran in 2000, starting in 2005, this is 55 actions since
00:33:01.500
the Biden administration came into office against one of its own States, a resource producing state
00:33:06.920
like Alaska. And so it is serious. It is real. And, um, many of us in Alaska viewed as an economic war
00:33:15.980
on Alaska. So 56 executive orders and actions targeting your state. Can you go through some of
00:33:23.820
them? Oh, uh, absolutely. Uh, so for example, in 2017, under the jobs act that was, that was passed
00:33:32.360
by Congress and sign it to law by president Trump. Now that required lease sales in Anwar,
00:33:39.640
the Arctic national wildlife refuge, the coastal plain area that was always up for oil production.
00:33:45.760
Anyway, those leases were sold and then under the Biden administration, they unilaterally canceled
00:33:50.840
them. That's a violation of law. That's huge because that has one of the last remaining large
00:33:56.160
oil and gas fines, probably in North America that was taken off the list. Offshore oil leases in the
00:34:02.460
Arctic off the list, 13 million acres in NPRA. Now NPRA national petroleum reserve up in Alaska
00:34:10.400
that was founded over a hundred years ago under president Hardy. Its sole purpose was to provide
00:34:15.960
oil for the nation. It was a naval preserve, a naval petroleum preserve at first. And so this is just a
00:34:23.060
a handful of, of, of, of incidents of what we call sanctions against Alaska that make it difficult
00:34:30.820
for us to produce oil, um, makes it difficult for us to mine, makes it difficult for us to even get
00:34:37.240
into the, uh, Tongass national forest for timber, the largest national forest in the United States.
00:34:42.760
We really can't get into that forest to harvest. This is one thing that I have, I've not experienced.
00:34:49.340
Um, so I don't know if I understand it. They're, they're no longer building roads or maintaining
00:34:55.820
any of the roads. So you can't get in, uh, to, to haul lumber out. And then they've also
00:35:01.980
banned you from taking out, uh, mature lumber. Is that right?
00:35:11.280
And not, and not only are they not building roads and they dismantled all of the, um, the, the,
00:35:16.340
the, the mills that were in Southeast Alaska. And this happened under the, uh, under the Clinton
00:35:21.240
administration. However, under president Trump, he began to restore it as an actual working force
00:35:27.160
for, for timber, for mining, for recreation. And then when the Biden administration came in,
00:35:32.300
they once again closed it down again. And so it's just been a series, um, each year of different
00:35:39.780
actions, different executive orders that, uh, are targeted against Alaska. And Glenn, here's the
00:35:45.300
interesting thing. I don't think your listeners understand about Alaska. We were the only state
00:35:49.960
required at statehood in 1959 in our statehood act. We were required to collectivize all of the
00:35:56.740
resources in Alaska under the government, under the state government. And the reason for that is
00:36:02.500
those that were, were contemplating allowing Alaska to become a state felt it had too small of a
00:36:08.160
population, about 150 to 200,000 people to pay for itself through things like an income tax or a
00:36:14.300
statewide sales tax. So they compelled us to collectivize those resources to develop those
00:36:19.400
resources to pay for ourselves. And that's the, the cruel irony of this whole thing is we were allowed
00:36:25.500
to come into the state, uh, as long as we developed our resources. And now we're being told we can't
00:36:31.180
develop our resources, which means our viability as a state is in question. I'm looking at the,
00:36:38.100
the map, um, of Alaska. And by the way, you know, this Alaska is far more beautiful than anybody could
00:36:47.360
ever describe. It is stunning. Um, and it's also enormous flying over Alaska. You're like, when does
00:36:57.860
this state ever end? Um, but, uh, I'm looking at the map, you maybe have maybe a third of Alaska is
00:37:10.120
not protected now? Uh, pretty much. Yes, that's correct. And as a matter of fact, uh, you know,
00:37:17.420
we had national parks before 1980 and in the waning days of Jimmy Carter, his gift to Alaska on the way
00:37:24.240
out was to build even more monuments and wilderness areas, taking up millions and millions of acres off
00:37:30.200
the table for Alaska's ability. Once again, to develop some of those resources. And by the way,
00:37:35.960
Glenn, we develop our resources, uh, the little that we're allowed to in probably the most responsible
00:37:41.500
manner in the world. And what, what, what really befuddles many of us up here is the environmentalists
00:37:48.780
obviously have their hooks in this administration and they don't want to have any development in Alaska.
00:37:54.240
But they're okay with it going overseas to places like Iran, to places like China, to places like
00:38:01.580
Venezuela, where the environment is not protected. Human rights are not protected. And as we know,
00:38:06.900
in the case of Iran, uh, they're now producing 3.74 million barrels of oil per day. They're using
00:38:13.720
some of that money to fund terrorism throughout the Middle East. So none of it makes any sense to us.
00:38:18.460
So how is this impacting you as a state, your state funds, and the people who do business up in
00:38:27.480
Alaska? Well, great question. So what happens is there's a, there's a chill, uh, for investment in
00:38:36.900
Alaska. In other words, outfits that would otherwise be investing in mining, oil, gas, timber,
00:38:43.940
they go other places because the uncertainty, uh, caused by this administration and these actions
00:38:50.300
level against Alaska, once again, 55, I think it's 56. Now just make it such an uncertain situation
00:38:56.720
that investors don't want to come here. Our population right now is pretty much stagnant.
00:39:01.720
We haven't grown in the last, uh, you know, last, uh, few years because of, uh, some of these actions.
00:39:07.360
We, um, we have, many of our young people are actually leaving the state and going to the lower 48
00:39:12.900
where there's more opportunity. And so the impact on our, on our conference is, um, is, is going to be
00:39:20.240
significant. Right now we get, we, we run about 490,000 barrels through our pipeline. We were able to get
00:39:27.820
Willow, the Willow project passed or allowed to be, uh, uh, put into play. And so with that investment, we should
00:39:33.620
get another 140,000 barrels here in the next several years. But nonetheless, when we're looking at the
00:39:39.300
midterm Glenn in the longterm, the prospects don't look very good for investors. Don't look very good
00:39:45.380
for opportunity in Alaska. And really what this appears to many Alaskans is an attempt to just
00:39:50.100
turn Alaska into a big national park and, uh, you know, uh, absolutely hamstring the viability of the
00:39:56.580
state going forward. So it's an uncertain situation, which causes a lack of investment and uncertainty.
00:40:02.060
I have to tell you, if Congress doesn't take their power back and, and, and take their,
00:40:07.560
take the, uh, unconstitutional power, uh, away from the administrative offices, uh, we, we, we,
00:40:17.280
we're not free and we have no way to fight this. What are you doing to fight?
00:40:23.880
Well, we've, we've had a, we've had a lawyer up, unfortunately we've asked our legislature the
00:40:28.960
past several years for millions in dollars, for millions of dollars, uh, in funds for what we
00:40:34.980
call our statehood defense to fight against their own federal government in order to slow down what
00:40:40.080
these agencies are doing in order to try and reverse some of the things that these agencies are doing.
00:40:44.020
And so we ended up spending money again, against their own federal agencies, our own federal
00:40:49.860
government. And I mean, Glenn, you know that the federal government has unlimited resources.
00:40:54.500
A state like Alaska does not. And so we're fighting them. We're trying to, uh, enlist the
00:41:01.480
help of other, uh, you know, other states. We've been talking with other, uh, uh, congressmen and
00:41:06.800
senators from other states, uh, explaining Alaska's situation. We're getting, I think, uh, a good
00:41:12.120
reception, especially from those on the Republican side. I also have to say senators like Joe Manchin
00:41:18.080
from a resource state like West Virginia, uh, has been very sympathetic to the plight of Alaska.
00:41:22.960
He understands it well. So we're trying to build up, uh, we're trying to build up a group
00:41:27.760
of, uh, legislators, congressmen, senators, uh, and other governors to understand what's
00:41:33.520
going on with Alaska, because once it happens here, and if they're able to be successful
00:41:37.960
at snuffing out the, uh, the, the future of Alaska in terms of a development state, there's
00:41:43.640
no, there's no telling when they're going to stop.
00:41:47.060
This is so concerning. Um, how can we help Mike?
00:41:51.000
Well, this is, I mean, the form you're giving me right now is a great way to get this out to
00:41:56.680
people and people, people need to understand that. As you said, Glenn, Alaska is a very
00:42:01.060
beautiful place. And because of that, we do take care of it. We have some of the strictest
00:42:06.420
environmental regulations there is the state itself put them in. So we know how to develop
00:42:12.440
our resources, but what the black administration is doing is just trying to kill off the whole
00:42:17.000
enterprise. And so just letting people know, sharing the 55 actions that, uh, uh, Dan Sullivan,
00:42:23.800
our Senator had put together on that sheet is going to be helpful. And then we're going
00:42:27.520
to be getting some, uh, congressmen and senators up here, hopefully this summer. So they can
00:42:31.900
see on the ground, how well we take care of the state, but also see the, uh, the impact
00:42:37.920
of what the Biden administration is doing. So governor, let us know how we can help other
00:42:42.920
than, other than this, keep us informed on this because as you say, they pick on the one
00:42:49.060
that nobody really is paying attention to. And if they can do this to Alaska, they'll do
00:42:53.720
it to a lot of our States. Uh, thank you very much from Alaska, governor of Alaska, governor,