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Today's podcast took a surprising turn. We were not expecting Roe v. Wade to be overturned today, but we were expecting it last week in the middle of an interview. And it got ugly for a few minutes.
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today's podcast took a surprising turn um we were not expecting roe versus wade to be overturned
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today we're expecting it last week in the middle of a an interview um things went wildly wrong
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with the interview and uh wildly right with the supreme court we had a decision come up uh it was
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uh it got a little ugly uh for a few minutes because the person felt we were colluding i guess
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with the supreme court to try to make him look bad um but it is a great day of hope all of your
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coverage on roe versus wade and the overturning historic moment as it happened live during our
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i don't know a single american personally i don't know a single american that actually is not involved
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deeply in washington dc that doesn't want free and fair elections that doesn't want every ballot to
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be counted um and wants to make sure uh that there is no monkey business going on um and that we can
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count on our elections every american i don't care who you voted for i think wants that uh but i don't
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think anybody in washington really wants that um especially the democrats they are already setting up
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that uh the election is going to be stolen you can't trust it and now the problems with the
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voting machines they're doing the same thing they always do but they're doing something else remember
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the key to understanding this administration is the administration he is a administrator that's it
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all of the agencies are being pushed to the limit to take away as many as many rights from you as
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possible and make the system work in a completely different way than constitutionally molly hemingway
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has written a great uh article uh it came out yesterday biden is hiding his plan to rig the 2022
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midterm elections molly is joining us now hello molly hello it's great to be here with you
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yeah it's great to have you on so um this is they're doing this in every agency and this one
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you've tried to look into and they're hiding everything that they're doing can you take us
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from the beginning and then show us what they're doing sure so in march of 2021 just a few weeks after
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president biden took office he issued an executive order saying that all 600 federal agencies had to
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come up with a plan to expand voting now people were immediately alarmed because the constitution does not
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give the executive branch authority over our election system that's reserved for the states
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there's a very tiny role for congress and so the executive branch has not been given that authority
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and then people are also worried because expanding voting is an inherently political act you know it's um
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mobilizing voters is a political act and so the bureaucracy should not be involved with it so people
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wanted to know well what are these plans going to be everyone had 200 days to turn in a plan to
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susan rice by the way you know one of the most political people out there for approval and people
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started asking what the plans were and they have been steadfastly refusing to return those plans ever since then
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okay so i want to make sure people understand that is 600 federal federal agencies 600 had 200 days
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to show how they were going to expand citizens opportunities to register to vote and obtain
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information about participate in the electoral process they had until march 7th 2021 you can't find
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anything about what anyone of those 600 agencies turned in and congressmen have been asking for it
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you've had the ranking member of every committee in the house asking for the information you've had them
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expressing their concerns congressional committees good government groups outside citizens are doing
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FOIA requests and they just can't get anything and it seems to be that what they're doing is trying to
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slow walk it until well after the election in one case they said they would respond to the FOIA by may
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of 2024 and so it is really difficult to get information which makes it difficult to even know what's going
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on and i just want to be clear these are inherently political acts like choosing who you reach out to
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um and to mobilize get out the vote operations that's what political parties do and it's particularly
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dangerous because we're talking about federal agencies that hand out benefits and so if people
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are told hey we could really use you voting mr person who's getting this federal benefit you can see
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why that would be viewed as improper and unethical compulsion um regarding voting which is something
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that is very dangerous and which we have previously had strict laws against so tell me what's happening
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with the centers for medicare medicaid um uh with their voter turnout um the department of labor what
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are they doing department of education right so each of them are choosing to respond to this executive
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order in different ways and we are getting these indications that they're complying with this
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executive order even if they're refusing to say what exactly they're doing but you're seeing these
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public facing things where they'll say that they're turning their their health centers into vote
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vote places you know where they're focusing their efforts that should be focused on job training
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you know during a labor crisis on get out the vote operations at department of education centers
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or the federal work study program which is part of the department of education had previously said of
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course you can't use federal work study um monies to engage in electioneering or election activity
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and now they're saying you can use these monies to help run get out the vote operations and i just
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think it's important to remember the context here too is that we just had this election in 2020
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where we had mark zuckerberg finance the widespread takeover of government election offices with partisan
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you know left-leaning activists and they ran get out the vote operations in the blue areas of swing states
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so the context here is really troubling too because we just saw in 2020 how this type of operation can have
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severely partisan um repercussions and why people should be on guard if they want to trust their
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elections and if they want to have confidence in their elections molly what do we do
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we have no press that will do it the congressman not getting responded to the justice department is
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absolutely corrupt what do we do so i do think that raising an outcry over the refusal to find out
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information is key and there are lawsuits that are ongoing two groups have sued to get the information
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these agencies are clearly in violation of federal law and so hopefully we would have enough pressure
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that those lawsuits can be responded to as soon as possible so that the public can know what's going
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on and people should not despair i mean fighting over election administration is something that has
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been going on in this country for centuries and despair is not an appropriate response because you know
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you had even a few decades ago the democrat party had disenfranchised like an entire race of people in the
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south and people didn't despair they just fought to make sure that the voting system was fair
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and so i think the most important thing people can do is get involved at the local level find out
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what's going on in how elections are administered in your state and make sure that they're being done
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properly and that there are no shenanigans going on and you're not going to be able to know that unless
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you're deeply involved in the process so start now we have widespread mail-in balloting and you know an
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election season so that it's not just election day which is frankly when republicans go vote it's those two
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months prior or even many you know years prior where they're setting up the system by which everyone else is
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voting or by which the system is so insecure that it can be exploited and you really have to just find out what
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the rules are in your area find out what's going on and get involved do election observation research and
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everybody should do that if they care about the republic because if we don't have elections we can trust you know you
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don't really have a country but don't you know it's not the end of the world it just requires people to
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get involved and pay attention so um molly it's it's really interesting to me because i look at the
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things that they do and i'm like who has time for this but you have time if you think that you should
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be in charge of everything and everybody um that is their full-time job to uh figure out ways to control
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everything the conservatives we have just been you know asleep at the switch we're like no everybody
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thinks like this no they don't no they don't there's there's uh probably 15 percent of very very active
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americans that are intent on taking the republic and destroying it um we just have to we just have to
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wake up and start realizing it's really our fault that this is is happening because we've just been
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expecting somebody else to take care of it for us so i wrote a book on the 2020 election called rigged
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how the media big tech and democrats seized our election and i go through all sorts of things
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including this mark zuckerberg operation that was a 450 million dollar operation it was more than anyone
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had ever conceived of spending on something to take over the the government administration of elections
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but that is what i worry about the federal government you know they spend 450 million dollars
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in a in a blink of an eye they have so much money to throw at this that it is really worrisome
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you know and the constitution does not authorize it congress has not authorized it and yet they're still
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doing it but you're absolutely right that uh a lot of people have just been asleep and not thinking
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about election integrity for decades but in my book i actually tell the story about how
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there was this court order that kept republicans from doing any election day oversight for nearly
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40 years i couldn't believe it when i first learned about it but in the early 70s a judge in new jersey
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put them under a consent decree where they couldn't get involved in any litigation election day litigation
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and for nearly 40 years they were kept under this it took the judge dying and being replaced by an
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obama appointed judge who said this is ridiculous like let the republicans out wow and it was
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so sensitive that uh during the 2020 or 2016 election sean spicer was on the wrong floor of
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trump tower and they almost kept them under the consent decree for another few years like because
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he was you know he was he's supposed to be on floor four instead of floor five and that's how
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sensitive it was and it kept republicans from really focusing on this for a very long time but
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they're kind of liberated now and so they are doing much more to do election day oversight and there
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there are many more resources in play now real quick any thoughts on the supreme court and what's
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coming here again tomorrow today in just a few minutes well i think everyone's but there are so
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many important decisions and yesterday's decision was a huge victory for the constitution and it really
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does speak to the importance of having solid originalist judges or justices on the court everyone's of
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course anxious for the dobbs decision the abortion related decision and a lot of people thought it
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should have been out earlier because of these death threats that the justices are facing so hopefully
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it will uh you know it'll come out this week or next week but it's been i think an overall pretty
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good term for people who care about the constitution yeah i think it's been very good uh molly great to
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have you on thank you so much thank you take care this is the best of the glenn beck program and we
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really want to thank you for listening what has happened with the dobbs case uh we have roe versus wade
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overruled uh as well as casey oh my gosh i don't think i ever thought i would see this day to be
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honest with you um but it's a it's a good day we have talked about this we have been together for
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uh 25 years and we both said never in our lifetime would this happen nope i didn't oh my gosh
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i it's uh it's uh it's being white lord please hear the voice of your people we are trying to
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mend our ways we are uh we are sorry it has taken us this long but please hear your people please
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forgive us forgive us for what we have done my my gosh
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is the ruling does it look to be the same as the original alito ruling i'm just going through it now
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it does seem to be a 6-3 decision um uh which is you know there was a question of whether roberts would
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uh would would come on board for this um looks like he has so does seem to be a 6-3 decision
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what ruth bader ginsburg said ruth bader ginsburg said that this is um
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this was um unjustly and uh decided roe versus wade she thought it was flawed
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and it was the idea that uh abortion is covered in the constitution is not true it is just it is it is
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not true and everything that is not in the constitution doesn't make it unconstitutional
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it just means it goes to the states to decide that is the law of the land and has been forever
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um the uh relevant portion here at the end of the opinion we end this opinion where we began
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abortion presents a profound moral question the constitution does not prohibit the citizens
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of each state from regulating or prohibiting abortion roe and casey arrogated that authority
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we now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected
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representatives the judgment of the fifth circuit is reversed and the case is remanded for further
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proceedings consistent with this opinion it is so ordered
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okay um we please our producers need to be watching the uh white house uh and all others who are going to
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come out in a statement this means uh jane's revenge uh is going to be at least what they say
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is they are going to be lighting cities on fire tonight um i'm i'm prayerful that that doesn't happen
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but i wouldn't doubt it the media is going to stir things up like there is no tomorrow but we can
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we can uh beg the lord for peace and protection on all sides you know i think it's um
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i think it is so important to know that we have to be on god's side because he's not picking
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uh sides uh sides he doesn't he loves all of his children equally and uh we just try to do what he wants
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us to do so pray for all of those who are terrified about what this means all those who are um i think misguided
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uh and pray for peace uh to wash over us i doubt well i'm not gonna i have no idea what the lord
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wants whatever the lord wants we'll uh we'll we'll deal with it um all right would you make sure that we
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have talked to uh levitt's office and if if we can we'll do it on the bottom of the hour um my apologies
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to him i don't mean to be rude but sorry i really i hope i hope we can prioritize his local race over
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over the dobs decision glenn i don't understand why you didn't do that that's really rude of you
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well to cut him off in the middle of that i mean what what could you possibly be talking about
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only uh you know hundreds you know tens of millions of children uh potentially are on the road to living
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instead of not being alive and but i i want to make sure he gets his words in here because i know that
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that was a high priority to him so we'll get back to him as soon as possible i'm glad he prioritized
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that it's a really important moment for him to make that personal argument and i'm glad he made it
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i don't care um can we get um wait let me uh i'm sorry but we don't have another
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we don't have a break uh long enough do we can we get analysis on uh bottom of this hour because if we
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get analysis on this hour if they have time to read it get analysis on and then move david to the
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next hour if we can't get analysis because they haven't had time to read it yet then uh let's uh
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i'm sorry i'm just shocked that this came out we were just having this conversation before we went
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on the air and uh stew said what are you going to do if the dobs case comes out and i said it's not
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going to come out and he said but if it comes out and i said it's not going to come out but if it does
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we have to take that um and uh so i'm just shocked because i did not expect that to happen yeah uh
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glenn all right one one excerpt here um from the ruling we do not pretend to know how our political
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system or society will respond to today's decision overruling roe and casey and even if we could foresee
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what will happen we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision gosh if that is
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not the central problem with the supreme court so often so glad they pointed that out we can only
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do our job which is to interpret the law apply long-standing principles of stare decisis and decide
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this case accordingly we therefore hold that the constitution does not confer a right to abortion period
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roe and casey must be overruled and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the
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people and their elected representatives it is the best of times it is the worst of times um
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we're gonna see miracles in our lifetime and i think we just saw one the court writes the precedents
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should be respected but sometimes the court errs and occasionally the court issues an important
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decision that is egregiously wrong when that happens stare decisis is not a straight jacket this is
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something of course we've been arguing for decades and seemingly as obvious as you point out i mean
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even ruth bader ginsburg supported this at one point in her career many liberal uh you know court
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watchers feel the same way this is not a this is not a conservative there's there's a lot of passion for
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conservatives on the pro-life side of this and there's very little uh appetite for that on the left
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however there is appetite for this being terrible law and an egregiously made egregiously poor decision
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made when roe versus wade was initially uh you know decided and so the left has been on in on this on
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board with this not to say we shouldn't have abortion which again this is not what this does and
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it's important to remember that overturning roe versus wade does very little to stop abortion in
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this country it's it's a very important first step it won't but it will anyone who wants to get an
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abortion in this country will still be able to get them you there's this is why the work that you know
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we've talked about some of these organizations we've worked with so important it's about still
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changing hearts and minds this will not do it on its own but it is an important step
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so do you remember when i was at fox and i was talking about why it was so important
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um to be good be steady uh don't fight back the way they want you to fight back because
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martin luther king was right when you put good versus evil side by side the american people will
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know it and they will recognize it and they will see it um a lot of americans have been uh duped and a
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a lot of americans you know it's very very difficult you learn this from the history of
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germany and other places once you decide and you've gone so far mentally down the road it takes a huge
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amount of courage to say holy cow i i was wrong about this and switch sides but um i think you're going to
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see states california new york they are going to become abortion mills they are going to do abortion
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vacations they are going to push the limits as far as they're going to say if it's up to the state you
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will see you will see laws in some states that say after a baby is born you can kill it they've done it
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already in chicago they've done it illegally in chicago they they talked about it in virginia
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they're going to do it in new york they're going to do it in california believe me and this will be
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the place where i think a lot of americans will have to decide can i live in a state like that
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can i can i be part of that this is so far this will become so far over the edge um that most americans
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will be appalled by what is happening even those who believe that the you know they they want to have
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reasonable uh limits to abortion uh they will not find it reasonable what these death states will do
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you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program
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josh hammer uh he is the opinion editor of newsweek he is the host of the josh hammer show
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uh he is really quite brilliant uh one of the leading minds in the conservative movement i think
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josh hammer joins us now to uh tell us what did you what did you find in this decision
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glenn great to be back with you on such a momentous and really it's emotionally powerful day honestly
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um so you know look as you said this dropped recently funny enough i was in the middle of
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giving a guest lecture for for an organization i'm on the advisory board of when it drops so i i barely
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had any time to kind of skim through here let alone get to the concurring and dissenting opinions but it
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looks like this looks very similar to the draft opinion that was leaked by the politico story a
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month and a half ago in early may and i think those of us who were praying that the five justices from
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this leaked draft majority opinion would have the fortitude to stiffen their spines against this
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unprecedented assault now know that our prayers were answered glenn that's really my takeaway right
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now this looks a lot like the leaked opinion justice thomas and justice kavanaugh have have
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some brief concurring opinions but um unbelievable and and really just holding aside the constitutional
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law stuff for a second here just speaking as pro-lifers on a day like today i think we really just
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need to pause and i tweeted this out earlier we need to just be grateful for the our half century
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of pro-life activist forebears who you know this glenn this issue could have gone away after after 1973
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that was a long time ago 1973 i mean this issue could have just gone away we owe a tremendous debt
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of gratitude to the pro-life moral activists political activists and of course yes the legal activists
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who fought day in and day out to make sure that this grave injustice stayed front and center of
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our national political conscience and in many days today is the culmination of a half century of
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fighting for truth and justice but in many ways it's also a new beginning for the pro-life side as well
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interestingly how do you mean a new beginning for the fight i think it's going to turn i think we're
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going to see abortion turn even darker in those states that um allow it is that is that what you're
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meaning by this well look for i mean for a half century now roe versus wade and its progeny
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specifically the planned parenthood versus casey case in 1992 they took away from the states obviously
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the arrogated authority away from the states the ability to attempt to nationally codify one view
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of the morality of abortion it happened it happened to be a profoundly immoral view so these the fight
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now shifts to the states and the pro-life activists in all the 50 states especially obviously in red states
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purple states i mean admittedly some blue states like new york and california probably won't be able
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to touch them there but we we have to make sure that our side is well positioned in the state capitals
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for every red purplish and probably even light blue state to make sure that we fight for successful
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cogent and morally consistent pro-life legislation the the state of oklahoma actually just north of
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texas where i know you are glenn they they've been leading on this actually governor kevin stitt
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signed into law a fantastic pro-life bill there in oklahoma a few weeks ago maybe a month ago or so at
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this point that basically just bans abortion straightforward from conception and there are
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some you know obviously life of the mother exceptions and so forth but we really need to
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start thinking about trying to craft legislation now at the state level but to your point yes i do
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fear of course that blue states will only double down in their radicalism and unfortunately that's
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probably only going to lead to an ever greater divide in our country than we currently have today but
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obviously we're going to save the end of the day here we're going to save millions and millions of
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unborn children we we are going to save human beings who can grow up to cure cancer who can win
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nobel prizes i mean this this is a just a tremendous win for the human species i don't really know how
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to say it than that i tell you i i saw the stat that um i think it was last year the year before
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20 of all pregnancies ended in abortion 20 that is uh that's a shocking number um and um and we do have
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our our work cut out for us um because i i think that these states are going to double down but i i think
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you know god doesn't waste anything you know there is no waste with god um even the even the
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the the worst things that could possibly happen turn out to be uh something good you know i mean
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you're like holy cow how did that just happen um and and i think that um evil is going to fully come
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unmasked i mean i'm i'm telling you josh i don't know how you feel about this i think this could be
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the day of of uh uh of america's crystal knock i i i can see these pro-life centers being burned to the
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ground today um they're calling for a night of rage around the country i mean i think evil is going
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to show itself and that'll scare the american people hopefully you know i've been thinking about
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this a lot this week actually because i i've been bracing for kind of a new george floyd summer of
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love kind of thing happening this summer coming to a city or a suburb near you unfortunately myself
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look i i live in florida glenn i know you live in texas i it it is a moment like this where i do
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think that where you live matters and who your mayor is who your governor is matters because law
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and order and you know rioting and anarchy is not really a federal issue i mean it is it is to a
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limited extent i mean in june 2020 tom codden wrote this op-ed that was pretty controversial at the time
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i happen to agree with it where he said quote unquote send in the troops and there is some
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federal legislation from the reconstruction era that would justify that but um most kind of quelling
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and quashing of anarchy does happen constitutionally speaking at the state and local level so
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at a moment like this where i fear that you are probably not wrong i i i take some solace that
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governor de santis is my governor i think texans you know should take some solace that they are
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represented by by a republican governor and state legislature there as well so i i i fear that you
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are right i i i pray obviously that no one is harmed i i mean i fear though that that is something
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done that something bad is happening and uh at the end of the day of course that does not mean the
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justices cannot do what they are supposed to do so thank god they did that
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so josh have you looked into what the the white house has been saying the white house yesterday
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in fact i think do we have a clip of of uh of this what the white house said yesterday about
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the guns and then they were turned to the uh the scotus ruling for roe versus wade we have that please
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will the president accept this decision as legitimate even if he disagrees with it
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i think it's going to come from the supreme court so it's going to be a decision that uh we're
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certainly are going to respond to uh so i'll leave it at me it's like it's just like any other
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supreme court decision just like the one uh that they did today on on guns so the white house won't
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say that they're going to accept it which i don't think they will um they're talking now about uh
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taking um doctors and moving them into places like oklahoma or texas where abortions will be
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outlawed and putting doctors on our military bases to perform abortions uh i mean where does this go
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when you have a government that is in defiance of of one branch of the government
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so there's a lot to unpack here so we should start from first principles um the idea of judicial
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supremacy and this is this is a peculiar thing to say on a day like today where such a pro-life
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victory has happened admittedly but if we're going to be intellectually consistent here the idea of of
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judicial supremacy the idea that the justices have the sole and exclusive ability to interpret the
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constitution for themselves and no other constitutional actor in article one or article two let alone the
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state has the ability to independently interpret it that is erroneous in fact actually it was really
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abraham lincoln actually who in the dred scott case famously opposed judicial supremacy and
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and flouted the dred scott ruling at least as it pertained to everyone other than dred scott himself
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so i i have actually argued in formal legal scholarship and law review article actually that
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that the lincolnian view of how each branch of government should interpret the constitution
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for itself in its own ambit is correct having said that having said that there is a thing called
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prudence and there's a thing called comedy and in a in a moment like today when it really does look
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like i and i agree with you that we are now bracing for riots through the streets when the political
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rhetoric is at defcon one when people are trying to assassinate supreme court justices i think it would be
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at a bare minimum a profoundly imprudent act for the for the uh for the vine administration to try to
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undermine this ruling now what they might do is they they might try to kind of issue some kind of limp
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executive orders or issue some regulations that might try to kind of undermine it at the edges here
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but at the end of the day the idea that this returns to the states there's not really a whole lot they
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can do about that i mean basically at this point if red states throughout the country uh kentucky
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west virginia kansas whatever if they want to go ahead and ban abortion what can the biden
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administration literally do about that i mean short of sending in the national guard to protect
00:35:48.900
planned parenthood if the state legislature of kentucky goes ahead and bans it there's really not a
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whole lot they can do and it's very difficult to envision a world in which the biden administration
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literally sends in troops to red states to protect planned parenthood if that state legislature goes
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ahead and bans it so practically speaking this is like a lot of tough talk and rhetoric this obviously
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is a campaign year in 2022 so there's really not a whole lot that practically speaking they can do to
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actually prevent red and purple states from enacting pro-life legislation i'm glad to uh glad to hear
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that i know that they have been uh working uh on things i mean he has said you know there's executive
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orders that i can employ there are things that i can do uh he's talked about a national public health
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emergency um which i think is just is crazy um but i would hope that the president would come out
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today and say we strongly disagree with this um and you're right the the court is not the end all
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um but the court did not uh end abortion it just said the people should decide i think that's the best
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kind of uh court ruling on any of it the people should decide what this is um and send it back to the
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states josh i i thank you very much appreciate your time uh was there there was another ruling that came
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out today was it important oh no i mean in comparison to this total total nothing burger
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it's like a 5-4 decision on something medicare reimbursement related so it's a real nothing
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honestly great thank you very much appreciate it josh josh hammer opinion editor for newsweek
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